/osrg/ Old School Renaissance General

>>53456967
>By the book, house rules, or homebrew?

AD&D 2e, almost entirely by the book, with a bunch of houserules scavenged from around the depths of the Internet and countless other rule books.

>By the book, house rules, or homebrew?
My personal preference is to run the game by the book with homebrew rules adding new systems rather than replacing old ones.

Blogs, I want to see blogs. Show me your blog, show me someone else's blog.

>>53457110
The list in the OP is pretty up-to-date

>>53457110
https://feyscape.blogspot.com/
Here's mine. I've only managed to make two posts.
Request a tool or table or something and I might just do it.

Still lookin' for more different OSR games people are playing to add to my list of OSR games worth trying out.

What rules/references are absolutely essential for making a dungeon? I go into work pretty early and can't actually clock in for a while, so I figured I'd work on a dungeon since I've been meaning to do it for quite a while. I run Swords and Wizardry since I'm lazy and it's easy.

>>53457540

what do you have already?

>>53457643
The only important rules are wandering monsters, travel speed, and encumbrance.
Beyond that, start simple. Build a point crawl before you build a map for it.

And here's a worthwhile blogpost: It's actually a great blog in general.
http://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/13085/roleplaying-games/jaquaying-the-dungeon

>>53457649
So far answers I've gotten:
- AD&D 2e
- DCC
- LBB D&D
~ LBB Traveller
- Stars Without Number
- Barbarians of Lemuria v1
- LotFP
- b/x
- BFRPG
- GLOG homebrew from that goblin blog guy

>>53458162
Why isn't ACKs™ on the list? I would also recommend Beyon the Wall

I want to try a hexcrawl game but as a GM I've rarely run a game where travel was a big deal and I struggle at describing travel and knowing when to just skip over things and when to let the players drive it.

Any tips?

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>>53458222
> Any tips?
Supplements for generating things for the players to find are a big help. Pic related.

>>53456967
>By the book, house rules, or homebrew?
Yes

>>53457110
Been a while since I've posted there but
http://buzzclaw.blogspot.co.nz/

>>53457540
>>53458162
Heroes & Other Worlds

>>53458222
>>53458222
>Any tips?
Do a pointcrawl instead.

Lamentations of the flame princess is not old school. Plus its garbage

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>>53458377
ur grbij

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>>53458222
>>53458317

Could someone post a link of the trove for me? My ISP blocked Pastebin...

>>53458456
Don't fall for his lies, friends.

>>53458162
Seconding Beyond The Wall/ Further Afield. Your question is tied into the OP question too. Playing b/x, lbb, ad&d raw by the book is worth doing to see what its like and what's going on, but they and a bunch of osr stuff is made with the intention of homebrewing and house rules.

Wolf Packs & The Winter Snow has flesh/grit damage, cave paintings as spell books and tribes as domains. Its worth checking out. Its also from here.

Into The Odd is a a fun stripped down osr. Character generation, equipment and magic are streamlined in neat ways.

I don't think I'd ever run Carcosa as is, but I've been taking some of the rituals and putting them into weird/darkbad parts of the game too see if anyone tries to use them.

>>53458478
It's not a lie though, it already happened once two weeks ago

What is the best way to experience OD&D.

The original rules as written by Gygax?
A retro clone?
A basic D&D game?

>>53458637
Your own way

>>53458697
You want to elaborate on that?

>>53458709
You pick/create the rules you like and use them.

>>53458354
>Do a pointcrawl instead.
That does seem like a better idea, but I've still got the problem of description and player agency in travel.

Like what do you guys actually do when your players spend 6 hours on the road? You've got your random events and encounters, sure, but how do you drift over that time?

>>53458735
Which version of those rules is best in your opinion? That's what I'm asking.

>>53458354
>Heroes & Other Worlds
Does anyone have the pdf to share?

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>>53458162
>- Barbarians of Lemuria v1
Is not what I'd consider OSR, though I do like BoL. Also, while v1 is nice and short and sweet, the rules aren't as good as they are later on. For instance, armor is an absolute mess, and you have to use the full range of polygonal dice for weapons when the rest of the system only uses d6s. If you're gonna use v1, I'd recommend at least snatching the armor and weapon rules from Mythic (pic related).

>>53458822
I'd say read through a lot of them and find the one(s) you like the most.

But if you just want a recommendation, I'd say B/X D&D. It's not really OD&D though, you'll have to interpret the LBB and supplement if you want that.

>>53458917
Isn't Holmes the closest to OD&D? How does B/X differ from the original in terms of actual rules (I know the presentation is a lot different).

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>>53458902
And even then, you might want to consider simplifying and constraining armor a bit, to prevent death-by-a-thousand-cuts style combat between folks who are all armored up. Mythic does armor better than Legendary does armor better than v1, but it's still not perfect.

>>53458934
Holmes is a version of OD&D, but not everyone agrees that it's a good version. It was made to explain the OD&D rules to kids and new players.

B/X simplified the rules of OD&D and focused mostly on the dungeon-crawl aspect of the game. It's presented in kind of a boardgame style, while OD&D has this wargame-freeform thing going on.

>>53458736
I ask the party mid week between games what they're interested in. More urban, dungeons or wilderness, to give me an idea of what to prepare.

Then I tend to put together a rough idea of what the terrain is like in the direction they're going and what season it is (marshy and snowing, rough hills, ruins and fall, etc), think of a few features that would be in that (a frozen methane gas swamp with thin bubbles of trapped gas, a burnt watch tower with cages, etc.) and put them on an index card or two.

Every 3-6 hours of travel I pick or roll a feature and ask a player to add something to the scene/what they notice about the place, then roll for random encounter and incorporate their description into it. Gives us things to put on the map, ideas I wouldn't think of, they take turns so no one is too pressured. If there's no wilderness encounter its just terrain, I can always use it later for something or the players will start to think of it as a landmark.

There are a decent number of terrain generators and word webs to plunder. Appendix B in the ad&d dmg is a good start. Just google imaging things like 'old woods' can give you a few ideas. Also going outside and just looking at what's there.

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>>53458736
I own it in dead tree form but the attached PDF should have quickstart rules.

Anything good you've picked up from the RPGnow sale? Stuff that's not in the trove but that you'd recommend?

How long has /osrg/ been going? I think I first noticed it about a year ago, but perhaps it is much older?

>>53459061
Thank you senpai.

>>53458636 >>53458456
https://hastebin.com/uxaxazojop.sql
Dropping it in the thread is a good way to get it taken down.

>>53458162
LotFP is Bx with houseruled encumberance and a variant Thief.
SWN is Bx with Random Tables IN SPAAAAAAACE! and good ref tips.
They're worth reading, but you can skim (or skip) most of their rules.
BFRPG might be Bx? Maybe it's AD&D? I can't recall.
>>53458199
ACKS is also Bx, though it adds a fair deal of rules.
>>53458503
Not a fan of any part of Carcossa, but these suggestions are otherwise on point.

>>53458637
Ass deep in houserules. Retroclones give a head start, but not necessarily in the correct direction.
And Gygax cribbed the rules from Arneson.

>>53459179
Thanks! And this Hastebin looks better than Pastebin, why isn't it used more often?

>>53459161
January 2nd, 2014

>>53459221
Because Pastebin is considerably older.

>>53459179
>And Gygax cribbed the rules from Arneson.
Who did the actual writing? Because the original three booklets are....not good.

>>53458162
Astonishing Sorcerers & Swordsmen of Hyperborea, Swords and Wizardry, Mazes and Minotaurs are also worth checking out.

>>53459378
>Who did the actual writing?
Both of them. Gygax was more than an editor, but Arneson did most of the rules text.

>Because the original three booklets are....not good.
The shitty editing was more a Gygax thing than an Arneson thing.
The unwritten rules was more an Arneson thing than a Gygax thing.

>>53458736
Good advice in this thread so far, but you also have to learn to read the room a little bit. Usually descriptions should be brief. When I first started GMing I sometimes made the mistake of going into reciting a description travelogue style (that of course I thought was very interesting), and people got bored.

A day's travel through an "empty hex" might look like this.
Players: We pack up camp and hit the road
>GM: "You spend another day marching across the chill, stony waste. Around noon you spy a wisp of smoke to the west."
Players: We note it on the map and keep heading north to the mountains
>GM: Alright, near sunset you arrive at a clear stream with a few scraggly trees where you might shelter for the night.
Players: make camp, with the usual watches

I make notes of features they discover on my map, in case the players want to find their way back to it, or I have an opportunity to use it in a future adventure.

If they're travelling a familiar civilized route, I might timeskip just to get them to the city or whatever they're headed for.

What's your favorite mutation system/table, /tg/?
I like the DCC corruptions, but they're hardly one unified table, are they now?

>>53460580
I like to scavenge from WFRP Tome of Corruption.

>>53455186
>Read Chainmail, but don't use it for combat.
It's like you hate everything good.

>>53457110
https://strength18slash01.blogspot.com/

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>>53457540
I use LotFP and DCC the most, depending on what flavor of game I want. I also have BFRPG and a buttload of supplements for it and would love to run it as-is someday.

Currently I'm running a '5e Style' homebrew of LotFP for my table. Less deadly and more story driven without bloated mechanics. It's coming along quite fun.

>>53458162
>AD&D 2e
why is adnd 2e an OSR game? It's dnd

>>53461905
Because it's a system that people use to play OSR-style campaigns.

Is there much to change for monsters from labyrinth lord to BX or should I be good to run it straight out. I'm trying to run Shadowbrook Manor, but it keeps referencing monsters not in BX and items found in the AEC which I don't use.

>>53462028
LL and B/X are nearly mirror images of one another. You'll be ok from the get-go.

>>53459221
>>53459179
Ah, that weird highlighting is because thinks you want to look at SQL snippets.
You can correct it by using

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>>53459161
since about 2014 as >>53459321 notes, although we'd been having OSR oriented threads for a while before that

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Anyone else Kickstart the MCC book? Should be out in PDF next month; I'm stoked.

Was it ever specified (or retconned) what campaign setting the original Ravenloft module was for?

>>53464105
Probably Greyhawk, as all adventures in those days.

>>53464157
This is the best of all the Primers I've seen.

What system has the best rules for a hexcrawl straight out of the box? Or why is your homebrew hexcrawl better?

>>53457540
Heroes & Other Worlds.
But better try the original, The Fantasy Trip

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>>53464785
Not system, but module for LotFP: World of the Lost

>>53465131
>also recommending HOW

Are you LITERALLY me?

>>53464785
Probably ACKS. The downtime rules are superb as well.

>>53465131
>>53465341
HOW is not on the trove, does anyone have it?

>>53465429
If it's not in the Trove, they've probably sent us take-down notices.
Ask the file share thread.

>>53465131
>>53465341
>>53465429
>>53465901
>this one faggot who thinks The Fantasy Trip belongs in /osrg/, again
How many times must we tell you to go start your own fucking thread instead, moron? TFT is more on topic for GURPSgen, for fuck's sake.

>>53462078
Fuckin niiiiice. Thanks, anon.

Rolled 3, 1, 1 = 5 (3d6)

>>53466009
HOW uses D&D Initiative. The splats add in D&D magic and D&D monsters. And it also fits Skerpeles' "broadly compatible" meme definition of OSR. Eat 3d6 shits

>>53465429
>HOW is not on the trove
>In some respects, TFT feels like Tunnels and Trolls for people who enjoy tactical board games. This might be the best insight into TFT for those who know old roleplaying games but haven't played this one.
>point buy
>protogurps
Doesn't really sounds like it fits. Also the troveguy has been mia for a long time.

>>53466429
Nice runt roll, retard. Even RNGsus knows you're full of it.

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>>53466429
>>53421341
According to the Fortune Chart, you will die, and always wisely.

Which tells me virtually nothing except that I need to fix my chart a little.

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>>53464157
This is a good chart.

>>53460580
http://invulnerablog.imperfekt-industrees.com/?p=925
http://monstermanualsewnfrompants.blogspot.ca/2011/12/1d100-table-of-mutations-and-wait.html
http://monstermanualsewnfrompants.blogspot.ca/2011/12/d30-mutation-table.html

>>53467136
I've yet to roll a coherent sentence on it.

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I've still got to write them up, but Sessions 5 and 6 of Tomb of the Serpent Kings are done.

Session 5 was mostly uneventful, though the knight did buy an enchanted sword, and the thief banked her ill-gotten wealth (sensibly). However, the session ended in disaster. During further tomb exploration, Spackles the Ilusionist cast an untested spell and ended up mutating most of the party.

The Paladin escaped unharmed. Antonia now smells better (+2 CHA). Franklin can swim better (+2 to STR for swimming).

But Spackles grew 4 new eyes and 4 new mouths, and Thomas died when his own leg fell off and turned into a troll.

Session 6 didn't go much better. A new Summoner PC named Missy E turned up and was recruited for a 2% share. Though the party found more treasure, they also walked into a terrifying swinging blade trap. Missy E was wounded, but decided to press on. Sadly, she was killed by an immortal Skeleton Jelly just a few minutes later.

In a desperate attempt to save, her Spackles spread jelly on toast and fed it to the dying human. She rose... as another Skeleton Jelly! She swiftly crushed Spackle's head and turned on the party, who fled, towing the illusionist's torso on a rope.

>>53468598
Tell ex-Thomas to roll up a Garden Wizard or an Animist.

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>>53468656
>Tell ex-Thomas to roll up a Garden Wizard or an Animist.

He's going Biomancer, and the ex-Spackles player is going for Wizard of the White Hand.

You're fucked again! :D

Also, the party is now listening at doors, and they have an actual strategy, which is new. It didn't /help/, mind you...

I have a a questions about ACKS.

Does the custom class making in the Player's Companion comprehensive to the point where you can use it to create the default classes? Would I be able to replace the class system entirely with it?

>>53469100
Yes, they even say that on the book, just read and you will see

>>53458162
Godbound

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https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.ca/2017/05/osr-medieval-stalemate-simulator-or-six.html

The full Medieval Stalemate Simulator is up. Hooray!

If you generate a War (using that post, and the previous one in the series: https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.ca/2017/05/osr-dont-you-know-theres-war-on.html) feel free to post it here.

>>53469299
neat

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>>53469370
Thanks.

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>>53469299

>>53469299
>>53469502
Not enough sieges.

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>>53469502
So... each year starts off with a minor defeat?

And two adjacent sieges. Bold move. Going to end up with a lot of sieges that way. And hrm, is that a dual weather disaster I see?

I'd love to hear your reasoning.

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>>53469530
Every stalemate hex could read as "siege of some minor place or castle". The big blue sieges are for capital cities or really, really critical fortresses.

>>53469546
Sieges take forever, each year starts bad instead of having a high chance to immediately be terrible, and weather disaster is adjacent to magic disaster.

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>>53469299
Also, if you guys give me 20 entries, I'll build a Gonzo War table for all your weird settings.

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>>53469574
I like it.

>>53469299
A Minor War between the Holy Grand Duchy (actually none of those things) of Sternberg and Lioness County, over a band of flagellants who wandered over from Lioness into Sternberg and were killed by border guards on suspicion of black magic.
Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Weather Disaster -> Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Minor Victory -> Minor Victory -> Religious Strife (2, 2, 4, 1, 1, 6, 1, 6)
The war began as a stalemate, with Lioness' initial aggressive thrusts stymied by Sternberg's line of border forts, enlivened only by a sudden unseasonal hailstorm that injured many of the besiegers. However, the tides turned when one of the border forts was forced to give in when rot set into their grain supplies. This was followed shortly afterwards with the capture of another fort through a combination of bribery and charm spells on the gate guards.
Unfortunately, any exploitation of the gap in Sternberg's defences was stymied when the investigations of a travelling inquisitor revealed the flagellants may, in fact, have actually been practicing black magic. With the very cause of the war in question, the court of Lioness was thrown into uproar, paralyzing military operations until winter set in, and the opposing armies took to winter quarters.

>>53469755
Stalemate -> Minor Victory -> Changing Alliances -> Betrayal -> Minor Defeat -> Stalemate -> Minor Defeat -> Stalemate (4 5 1 5 1 1 4 6)

The beginning of the new campaign season saw Lioness still paralyzed by political infighting. Fortunately, the entry of a new player on the side of Lioness over outstanding land disputes, the Barony of Panthera, proved sufficient to propel the armies of Lioness back into action.

Unfortunately, the Baron proved staggeringly unreliable, with his forces immediately looting and plundering Lioness County as soon as his forces crossed the border. Although Lioness attempted to sustain the offensive regardless, this proved untenable, and they were forced to abandon their foothold in Sternberg in order to repel the Baron's forces.

Sadly, they were unable to do this either, and winter closed in with Sternberg re-occupying their border forts and Panthera still on Lioness soil.

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>>53469755
>>53469877
>investigations of a travelling inquisitor revealed the flagellants may, in fact, have actually been practicing black magic.

Whoops!

>Unfortunately, the Baron proved staggeringly unreliable, with his forces immediately looting and plundering Lioness County

Sounds about right. Oh medieval wars. So silly.

>>53469877
Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Death of a Major Figure -> Magic Disaster -> Truce (1 year) -> Stalemate -> Minor Victory

The year began with nobody being able to make any headway. On the Lioness-Sternberg border, the situation was reversed from the very beginning of the war, with Sternberg forces unable to make headway against the long-standing border fortifications. However, the armies of Lioness were having no better luck against Panthera's cavalry, who were consistently able to outmaneuver Lioness' typical spear formations and continue raiding the countryside.

The situation got even worse when Baron Scarborough, a vassal of Lioness County, fell into a pit trap on a typical goblin-hunting expedition. His troops withdrew to from battle to return home and participate in the selection of a new Baron, leaving Lioness County in more dire straights than ever.

Then hell broke loose. Very nearly literally.

As it turned out, the lost flagellants were not only practicing black magic, they were part of a larger infernal cult that had been working on a vast ritual. Fortunately, the working of the ritual had been disrupted by the war, but there were still rains of blood and brimstone, wandering apparitions, the unhallowed dead rising from their shallow graves, etc. The war immediately ground to a halt.

After a hasty truce, Lioness turned its attention to rooting out the cult under the direction of the wandering Inquisitor Carrow. After the initial reorganization, several covens of the cult were eliminated before the onset of winter prevented further witch-hunting.

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>>53470056

>>53470067
You're gonna love this one, then.

>>53470056
Goals of War Change -> Religious Strife -> Religious Strife -> Minor Defeat -> Stalemate -> Changing Alliances -> Betrayal -> Betrayal

The year began with Lioness County officially declaring war on the Illuminated Iris of the Black Eye, the cult that had so nearly recently destroyed the County. This was then immediately followed up by the court collapsing into recriminations and infighting, despite the best efforts of Inquisitor Carrow. Differences over points of doctrine exploded into street violence and assassinations as different sects blamed each other for the catastrophe currently unfolding. Surely god was punishing them for their wickedness! Only the death of the heretic would satisfy him!

The army of Lioness attempted to do their job despite chaos in the capital, but steadily lost ground as more and more covens crawled out of the woodwork and terrified peasants pledged themselves to the Illuminated Iris. The situation improved in the middle of the campaign season as Inquisitor Carrow managed to impose order on the aristocracy, then improved further when the new Baron Scarborough re-entered the fray.

Then, disaster. The Illuminated Iris had managed to worm its way into Scarborough as well, and the 'reinforcements' were for the enemy.

Then the Holy Grand Duchy of Sternberg declared that the rulers of Lioness County were clearly forsaken by God, and it fell to them to restore order and holiness to the land. Stripped to a skeleton crew, the border forts fell in the last week of the campaign season.


I must say, when I started I expected military disasters. I did not expect the total dissolution of an entire country.

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>>53470139
>Goals of War Change -> Religious Strife -> Religious Strife -> Minor Defeat -> Stalemate -> Changing Alliances -> Betrayal -> Betrayal
ehehehehe
>mmediately followed up by the court collapsing into recriminations and infighting
Ah ha ha ha ha
>urely god was punishing them for their wickedness! Only the death of the heretic would satisfy him!
HEHEHEHEHE
>Then, disaster. The Illuminated Iris had managed to worm its way into Scarborough as well, and the 'reinforcements' were for the enemy.
OH HO HO HO HO!
> Stripped to a skeleton crew, the border forts fell in the last week of the campaign season.

Son, I think the war is offically over. Maybe start a Major War when the Pope declares a crusade against whatever left of the place.

>>53470165
Maybe. Sadly, I must sleep now. Stuff to do tomorrow. Updates on this glorious catastrophe to resume sometime tomorrow.

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>>53470179
Well it's been a wonderful disaster so far.

>>53466009
It's first time I found this thread. I didn't know you didn't like TFT. It is my favourite old-school system. I think it has more to do with D&D than Gurps.

For those interested in Heroes & Other Worlds, since there is no PDF on the net, you might want to check out the original The Fantasy Trip.

It's a modular game. The first and most important part is Melee microgame. Download here https://rendedpress.blogspot.com/2014/03/melee-redesigned.html

Than get the Wizard http://www.mocagh.org/otherbook/fantasytrip-wizard.pdf

Advanced Wizard http://www.thortrains.net/downloads/Metagaming__TFT_The_Fantasy_Trip__Advanced_Wizard.pdf

In the Labyrinth - http://branya.puremagic.com/ITLOCR.pdf

>>53470336
>The first and most important part is Melee microgame
Why didn't you post the original melee?

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/204658/Gloamhold-Campaign-Guide?affiliate_id=65275 I bought this megadungeon setting and it's pretty good. The author will be releasy episodically levels and stat blocks.

>>53470414
I can't find it.

What are some good non-humanoid lvl1 introductory modules, possibly with a strong hook?

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To help with the whole "generate a war thing", I've come up with a slightly crazy idea.

Using ebooks of history books I like, I'm copying lines into a sprawling table. Here's what the "ruler" column looks like so far. It's designed to help you rapidly generate kings, deaths, war events, and other events, taken straight from the pages of history. In this case, early Byzantine history.

>>53470417
Care to drop a dl somewhere?

>>53471370
I can't, It's watermarked.

>>53470782
That's a really good idea. Justinian would be another great one to use, given Procopius' whole 'literally a fucking demon' thing.

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>>53470782
>his vicious wife held him up to public ridicule as a fool, an incompetent and a cuckold
>only interest seems to have been the raising of poultry
>he displayed embarrassing signs of falling in love with his half-sister

How is Lamentations of Lame Princess OSR?

>>53472223
It's a clone of B/X.

>>53470430
It's right there

http://www.mocagh.org/otherbook/fantasytrip-melee.pdf

http://www.thortrains.net/downloads/Metagaming__TFT_The_Fantasy_Trip__Melee.pdf

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>>53472518
Oh shit, thanks anon! I was just about to ask in the sharethread.

>>53470782
Give more of these, I'm assembling a bunch of random monarch tables into an automated generator in excel.

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>>53471563
>That's a really good idea. Justinian would be another great one to use, given Procopius' whole 'literally a fucking demon' thing.

We're getting there! I'm using a gloss pop history book as a starting point. The plan is to eventually do

Byzantium, Norwitch
A Distant Mirror, Tuchman

and then, because it's hilarious, the Augustan History.

>>53471799
>>53473340
You'll get the full d100 table soon enough, anon. In text format too, not a shitty screencap.

>>53474115
The Byzantines must be one of the best nations to do this for, I think. A history of the First Crusade might also be good.

It's a clever idea. You can extrapolate it to a good deal of other things too. Even with the just the ruler thing, it's very easy to tilt it to a different kind of game by just using a different source (e.g. myths and legends over real history).

>>53474179
I do love Byzantine history, even if historians get pissed off by about 900

>>53471534
Well if you want, the guys in the pdf share thread or the /tg/ board on 7ch can clean it for you if you ever feel like sharing.

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>>53474179
Also, I'm looking forward to the Augustan History because of this table. Look at it! Up to 95% unreliable, scandalous, and libelous facts!

You could also use a book of fairy tales or a myth collection book for the same purpose. Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of the Kings of Britain would be perfect.

>>53474867
Yeah, I'm going through a British myths and legends book I have right now and seeing how much of it could be tapped for something like this. It's a really nice idea.

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>>53475626
It's even better if you've got an epub format. Beats typing it all out again. For reading, nothing beats a good book, but I'll be fucked if I'm going to transcribe six volumes of Gibbon for the internet's benefit.

>>53475797
Thankfully already have my absolute fave "we playing D&D now" mythic Britain origin already copied online:

>"The earliest inhabitants on whom traditions agree were giants. They are reputed to have been descendants of Noah's son Ham, and to have come from Africa in the second millennium before Christ and taken possession. A few English chroniclers maintain that they were preceded by descendants of Noah's son Japheth. But these people, if they ever existed, were conquered by the giants and all trace of them disappeared.

>The giants' king was Albion. He was begotten by the sea-god whom the Greeks called Poseidon, the Romans Neptune. 'Albion' is the island's oldest acknowledged name, presumably taken from the giant. Some, however, derive it instead from a princess Albina. They say she sailed to this country, which then had no human inhabitants, at the head of a band of women - perhaps as many as fifty - who had been banished for killing their husbands. They were all sisters on the paternal side. Their father is sometimes named as Diocletian and sometimes as a king of Syria. In their new home they mated with demons, and the giants were the result of these couplings, not migrants from outside. However, the only recorded ruler called Diocletian was a Roman emperor many centuries later, and the tale of the husband-killers is little favoured."

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>>53474242

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>>53476564
>And although she made use of three apertures in her body, she was wont to complain that Nature had not provided her with larger openings in her nipples, so that she might have contrived another form of intercourse there. Often in the theatre, too, in full view of all the people… she would spread herself out and lie on her back on the ground. And certain slaves whose special task it was would sprinkle grains of barley over her private parts; and geese trained for the purpose would pick them off one by one with their beaks and swallow them.

In other news, Procopius is a dirty old man and a hypocrite.

>>53476923
>not using the three gates of Cupid quote
Theodora is an eternal waifu regardless.

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>>53476948

We're making top speed for /his/ territory now. Ah well. Thread is slow anyway.

Roll more Wars.

>>53477005
I'm fine with the /his/
>Roll more Wars.
but please make a new thread.

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>>53476505
>Their father is sometimes named as Diocletian and sometimes as a king of Syria.

Diocletian would have been pissed if he'd heard of this legend. Seriously, he was about as un-mythical as it gets.

>>53470165
>>53470179
Death of a Major Figure (Ally of Enemy)-> Stalemate -> Death of a Major Figure (Ditto) -> Stalemate -> Goals of War Change -> Stalemate -> Minor Defeat -> Stalemate -> Major Defeat -> Stalemate -> Minor Defeat -> Major Victory

The War has expanded! The Hierophant has assembled a force from a dozen provinces to clean out the rot that has taken root in Lioness County and its surroundings. Hailing from everywhere from the Holy Grand Duchy of Sternberg to the Land of Blue Towers, surely nothing could stand in the way of this force!

It certainly seemed that way at the very beginning of the campaign season, when Inquisitor Carrow and the last remnants of the Lioness army managed to kill two of the High Priests of the Illuminated Iris of the Black Eye.

However, things started to come apart when the combatants decided to split apart Lioness County between them as vassal baronies, rather than restore the 'rightful rulers' as had previously been intended. This resulted in the different armies splitting up to take 'their' land. This proved to be catastrophic.

Divided, the crusaders proved vulnerable to defeat in detail. The army of the Viscomte de Fife was overwhelmed by partisans in a night attack, gutted in their sleep. The Baron of Panthera was outflanked and driven from the field by the Knights of Scarborough.

Total catastrophe was only prevented by the Duke of Sternberg rallying the allied forces to his flag. He lured the now-overconfident cultist horde into open battle and caught them between his dug-in infantry and heavy cavalry. With the Paladins accompanying the crusade nullifying the enemy's unholy magic, the mob was decisively crushed in a stunning reversal of fortune.

With both sides badly savaged and winter closing in, the crusade withdrew to Sternberg's border forts and settled in for a long war.

>>53477234
Death of a Major Figure (Ally of Leader) -> Stalemate -> Changing Alliances -> Betrayal -> Stalemate -> Siege -> Betrayal -> Siege -> Stalemate -> Siege -> Siege -> Goals of War Change

The new campaigning season began with a series of falling-outs among the crusaders. The Lord of the Blue Towers died due to complications of a previous wound, prompting that state's withdrawal. This was followed by disputes about how to divide up Lioness County upon victory. Factions began to form among the crusade force.

Then the Barony of Pantera decided that now was as good a time as any to pursue its land dispute with the Holy Grand Duchy of Sternberg, and launched a surprise attack.

With the crusade distracted by that bit of drama, the Illuminated Iris turned their attention to Svanna- the capital of Lioness County and last remnant of that once-proud state. The crusade attempted to mount a relief expedition, but it was a short siege. Betrayal opened the gates, and the last remnant of Lioness County was overwhelmed.

With the chance to catch the force of the Illuminated Iris between themselves and the walls of Svanna gone, the crusade withdrew back to the border forts. The situation quickly deteriorated into a series of sieges and reliefs, as the Illuminated Iris attempted to trap the crusaders in their castles and the crusaders in turn tried to crush them in the open field. As winter set in, the remaining leaders of the crusade convened to re-examine the course of the war...

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>>53477598
>>53477234
I think it might be time for negotiations with these Illuminated Iris fellows.

Also,
>>53477124
is right, we should probably make a new thread if we're going on with this. But so far it's proven that the hex thing works.

>>53477598
Stalemate -> Death of a Major Figure (Enemy Leader)-> Weather Disaster -> Stalemate -> Death of a Major Figure (Leader)-> Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Magic Disaster -> Stalemate

The year began with the continued Siege of the Border, as it had come to be known. The death of the Grand Warlock at the hands of Inquisitor Carrow brought renewed hope to the crusade, but any attempt to take advantage was stymied by a week-long rainstorm that prevented any movement.

The news of the death of the Hierophant from choking on a walnut devastated the morale of the crusade, preventing any offensive action. The Siege of the Border lengthened, with nothing happening until the very end of the campaign season.

Then, all hell broke loose. Again. Although the powers of the priests and paladins accompanying the crusade shielded the army from the worst of it, they were forced to withdraw from Lioness County back into Sternberg. Lioness burned behind them.

>>53477735
>new thread
Probably. I'm going to keep going in this thread until either a dedicated thread is made or this war is finished, though.
Doesn't seem like it'll be long in any case.

I've been GMing the Caverns of Thracia (using Swords and Wizardry) for a while now, and my players are getting pretty close to clearing it out (they pretty much genocided the 3rd floor through judicious use of lamp oil and the automatic crossbow you can steal elsewhere so now it's just the final level to go). We're almost certainly going to take a hiatus after this, but what's another dungeon I can run to get a similar experience? It's been an amazing time for all involved.

>>53477852
If they're high enough level after all that, you could jump right into Dark Tower.

>>53477928
I think they're around level 4 (hard to tell, as people die a lot so the levels are nowhere near consistent). Honestly they're pretty clearly outclassed by most of the monsters at this point; they mostly survive with ingenuity, fire, tactical retreats, and that fucking machine gun. Knowing the group, they might want to start over with new chars anyway.

>>53478059
Well if they stick with the current characters, then it sounds like they could probably handle Dark Tower fine.

>>53477845
Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Minor Defeat -> Stalemate -> Magic Disaster -> Stalemate -> Minor Victory -> Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Stalemate -> Magic Disaster

The final year of the war consisted mainly of the crusaders standing by and watching as Lioness County disintegrated. Whatever process the Illuminated Iris of the Black Eye had set in motion, they did not seem to control it anymore. Bizarre phenomena stalked the land; men turned into salt, stars fell, death was no release. A single attempt to sally across the border, more of an information-gathering attempt than anything, staggered back with only half its number remaining. The one bright point was the surrender of the Duchy of Panthera, and it agreeing to pay reparations for its sudden betrayal two years ago.

It was a small comfort, compared to the destruction of a state. The crusaders tried to care for the refugees streaming across the border as best they could.

And thus the war ended- with a bang, and then a whimper.


So. From start to finish, the Deluge of Lioness County took eight years, involved six factions I bothered giving names, and killed a whole shitload of people. Moral of the story: war sucks.

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>>53478144
>So. From start to finish, the Deluge of Lioness County took eight years, involved six factions I bothered giving names, and killed a whole shitload of people. Moral of the story: war sucks.

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Am I the only anon who likes price lists? I'm going to just leave this here:

> OD&D: equipment: I. p. 14-15
> OD&D: construction: III. p. 21
> OD&D: specialists: III. p. 22
> OD&D: men-at-arms: III. p. 23
>
> Holmes: equipment & weapons: p. 7
>
> 1e PHB: eqipment & supplies: pp. 35-36
>
> 1e DMG: gems & jewelry: p. 26
> 1e DMG: other rare commodities: p 27
> 1e DMG: standard hirelings: p. 28
> 1e DMG: expert hirelings: p. 29
> 1e DMG: cost of locating henchmen: p. 35
> 1e DMG: spells: p. 103-104
> 1e DMG: constructions: p. 107
> 1e DMG: holy/unholy water vessels: p. 115
> 1e DMG: magic items: pp. 121-125
>
> Moldvay: weapons & equipment: B12
>
> Cook: weapons & equipment: X9
> Cook: specialists & hirelings: X21, X22
> Cook: castles: X52
>
> LotFP Players Core: equipment & services: pp. 27-30 (also front flyleaf)
> LotFP Players Core: retainers: p. 47

>>53480616
1920 farthings = 480 pence = 40 shilling = 8 crowns = 3 marks = 2 pounds

17 pence and farthing is enough for seven days food and shelter.

What's so hard to understand?

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>>53480616

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Can I get some ideas for my campaign:

I want my players to have to collect/deliver _______ from all over the land to save an ancient ________ from dying out and releasing ________.

Simple stuff, but I feel 0% creative right now.

>>53481017
1. blood of virgins, dryad, evil treants

2. vampire dust, comatose evil necromancer, his soul as super wizard shade

3. works of art, a lilend guarding a vault of ancient evil, evil hordes

How do you deal with alignments? Are they your allegiance in the great war across cosmos, are they a personality test, or are they stupid and always homebrewed away?

Is running one-shots with OSR systems a thing? Are there resources for doing so? Planning to use B/X, don't know if it's a good idea.

Also, if I played with randos, what would I look for in them? Expecting experienced players seems a bit pretentious if it's both my first time GMing and my first OSR experience.

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>>53481017
>collect/deliver
reluctant hermits

> save an ancient
religion

>releasing
Pagans and apostates.

It's Nicean Council II, Electric Boogaloo! The church needs a full conclave to deal with a weighty theological issue. The Bishop of Antioch has tasked you with rounding up some of the more famous hermits to lend support to his cause. Hermits live in all sorts of weird and dangerous places. Good luck finding them, and good luck convincing them to travel halfway across the known world.

Rolled 9 (1d12)

>>53481017
>collect/deliver
1. a preserved wizard's head (dead)
2. a preserved wizard's head (alive)
3. a magical cauldron that brings someone back to life every night - they crawl out of it at midnight
4. the prince of a neighbouring kingdom, who's been turned into a hare
5. the broken parts of an important historical but nonmagical sword
6. a dragon's eyeball
7. the hair of a high-ranking priest from each major religion
8. the threads of an old tapestry that predicts the future, since unwoven
9. not! St. Olga of Kiev's husband, before she takes revenge
10. the princess' severed hand
11. an oral contract of marriage between two warring goblin tribes to seal a peace (the witnesses must be collected and delivered)
12. a luxury crate of vintage blood (dried cured and salted) sought by a wealthy vampire

I'm not that into your other ones so eh.

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>>53481116
>or are they stupid and always homebrewed away?

I prefer ignoring them. They're not so much "homebrewed away" as "not included in this film".

>>53481127
>Also, if I played with randos, what would I look for in them?

People you'd do an escape room with, or cook a meal. You can totally go for noob players though. It's always fun. Keep communication open. Ask questions about films and video games they like and use the answers.

This dungeon: https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.ca/2017/03/osr-learning-dungeon.html might be useful.

>>53481017
• poetry
• skeletons of heroes
• magic amulets
• mundane (but historical) swords
• potion recipes
• vengeful ghosts
• evil schemes
• stillborn spells
• innovations
• goblin totems
• the dying breathes of elves
• sacred trees
• good intentions
• mundane (but historical) graffiti
• magic graffiti
• exotic hooch

• dynasty
• academy
• seamstress
• god (or pantheon)
• NEET
• tavern
• elf
• industry
• culture
• dragon
• warlock
• war
• bonfire
• geyser
• geezer
• orgy

• dream eaters
• social unrest
• tax collectors
• the soup Nazi's recipes
• the soul of the world
• fire from it's ancient pact with man
• hordes of orcs
• the Gibbelins, they and their tower, to the moon, from which they had come and to which they rightly belonged

>>53481116
With the possible exception of magic-users, the character are not aligned.
>your allegiance in the great war across cosmos
Sort of this, but it's really more about which side monsters will take if they walk in on one of your fights.

>>53481232
>>53481308

Any objections to me compiling these into a Doc Aquatic-style "Generic OSR Plot" table?

>>53481308
>• the Gibbelins, they and their tower, to the moon, from which they had come and to which they rightly belonged
that is a very OSR short story

>>53481336
Sure, go ahead for my 12.

>>53481357
Name one story in the book that wasn't.

>>53481127
Since old school games tend to have more open, non linear, and modular gameplay, it may be harder to do one shot unless you make linear scenario.
I personally fail at making one shots. They come up poor and short. I prefer some good sandbox or megadungeon. My advice would to not start GMing with one shots.

>>53481410
The one about like, the old pieces of equipment remembering when they were in use? I guess even that one still has the rope fondly remembering how it hanged some guy so you're probably right.

>>53481116
>How do you deal with alignments?
I generally don't have 'em. I do still have holy and unholy shit, however, so in that respect, supernatural good and evil still exist.

Trade in and out of the city has been cut off by _______
The druid circle _______ unless _______
_______ at the bottom of the dungeon.
_______ and _______ strike a dark bargain.
_______ by a foreign Magic-User commissioned, "to fix the fēngshuǐ."
All the food _______

>>53481017
>>53481308
I want my players to have to collect/deliver [poetry] from all over the land to save an ancient [war] from dying out and releasing [social unrest].
I want my players to have to collect/deliver [the dying breathes of elves] from all over the land to save an ancient [dynasty] from dying out and releasing [fire from it's ancient pact with man].
I want my players to have to collect/deliver [evil schemes] from all over the land to save an ancient [orgy] from dying out and releasing [hordes of orcs].
I want my players to have to collect/deliver [magic graffiti] from all over the land to save an ancient [dragon] from dying out and releasing [the soup Nazi's recipes].
I want my players to have to collect/deliver [goblin totems] from all over the land to save an ancient [NEET] from dying out and releasing [dream eaters].

>>53481614
Trade in and out of the city has been cut off by torrential flooding caused my immigrant sahuagin druid

The druid circle will become square unless the meddling modron bureaucrat can be fired before the next full moon

Top of the dungeon at the bottom of the dungeon.

Grieving Unicorn and Death Knight strike a dark bargain.

1001 Paper Rocs folded by a foreign Magic-User commissioned, "to fix the fēngshuǐ."

All the food becomes alcohol

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>>53456967
STILL no new referee book

>>53480665
> OD&D: 50 cp = 10 sp = 1 gp
> Holmes: 250 cp = 50 sp = 10 ep = 5 gp = 1 pp
> 1e PHB: 1000 cp = 100 sp = 10 ep = 5 gp = 1 pp
> Moldvay: 500 cp = 50 sp = 10 ep = 5 gp = 1 pp
> LotFP: 500 cp = 50 sp = 1 gp
OD&D, LotFP, and the classical Romans are trimetallic.

If any anons here use the quinquemetallic system, please post your personally identifying information here with the chemical symbol for electrum so I can send you your prize.

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>>53481822
My setting has 1gp = 10sp = 100cp

The gold pieces currently in circulation are about 10% gold. Silver pieces vary, from silver-washed coins made mostly of base metals to actual (much smaller) silver pieces. Copper pieces vary from actual copper to old buttons to brass. Any gold piece more than a century old is worth 3-10 gold pieces these days due to adulteration of the currency.

There are also:
Bronze Groats
Bridge Tokens
Promissory Notes
Marriage Licenses
Courier Chits
and Foreign Coins in use in most of the setting.

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>>53474867
>>53476564
In other news, this book (and Byzantine history) is so rich with rulers and descriptions of rulers that I'm about 1/4th of the way through the book and 2/3rds of the way through my d100 table. Things only get weirder as we go on. We're still in the reign of Justinian.

>>53481614
Trade in and out of the city has been cut off by [Gene Roddenberry]
The druid circle [tastes like spaghetti] unless [the debasement of silver coins is countered by imperial monetary reform]
[The sleeper must awaken] at the bottom of the dungeon.
[Primitive cetaceans] and [an earth space ship sent on a rescue mission to another planet] strike a dark bargain.
[Children's rights are threatened] by a foreign Magic-User commissioned, "to fix the fēngshuǐ."
All the food [is still alive, but six feet underground]

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>>53481614
Trade in and out of the city has been cut off when the floor turned to lava
The druid circle is destined to fall unless they make it into a square
Another dungeon is at the bottom of the dungeon.
Peasants and the landed nobility strike a dark bargain.
Sexual acts are performed by a foreign Magic-User commissioned, "to fix the fēngshuǐ."
All the food is tossed into the streets for the peasants to eat, because it's probably poisoned.

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>>53482007
>The soldiers seized hold of the Pope, by now clinging to the columns supporting the altar, and tried to drag him away by the legs, hair and beard. But the more they pulled, the tighter he clung – until at last the columns themselves came loose and the altar crashed to the ground, narrowly missing his head.

>>53481614
Trade in and out of the city has been cut off by [The Wizards of Taxation.]
The druid circle [will not work] unless [you put that stone back.]
[The other side of the world is] at the bottom of the dungeon.
[The Elves] and [The Moon] strike a dark bargain.
[36 giant solid-silver d6s] by a foreign Magic-User commissioned, "to fix the fēngshuǐ."
All the food [For the Food god]

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>>53482243
>All the food [For the Food god]
Satur?

>>53481614
• a war between competing plagues.
• the theft of a river.
• an Analogy Wizard sinking the city, and its depravity, into the ground.
• the Queen's birthday.
• new time travelling trade routes.

• will rise once more / their ancestors are disintered.
• preys upon the sick and the old / appeased with magic blood wine. Halfings continue to deny blood libel.
• will indoctrinate the ascetic hermit / an older and wiser man agrees to take his place.
• venerate pigeons and overpopulate them / extant dinosaurs can be found.

• Games of chance are played
• The ascetic hermit lives
• The world will end if anyone returns after stepping foot
• The Sorcerer-Kong's childhood toy has been hidden

• The giants / the dwarves
• Your liege / his doppelganger
• The ascetic hermit / the foreign devils
• A comely fey / the merchant's guild
• The sky / the ocean

• Your treasure has been confiscated
• The heavens have been cast to the ground
• The city has been worked into a dungeon
• The church has been cast out
• The mayor has been led astray
• The ascetic hermit is out wandering, while his hovel is renovated

• has been bought out for an upcoming festival.
• was blessed by heretical angels.
• will tempt the ascetic hermit.
• turns to clay when bitten.

>>53481116
I generally don't use alignments.
However when I do I tend to present them as religious/socio-cultural frameworks. Basically, mortals are incapable of truly belonging to any alignment as long as they're alive but they can try really hard to emulate their ideals or just pretend. Meanwhile, outsiders have very definite locked alignments.

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>>53470782
Here's the "death" column so far. Roll on it to find out how your ruler died. It's not just methods (those get boring quickly) but also contexts, reasons, and evocative turns of phrase.

>>53482796
26 Justin? Do I see Attila there too?

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>>53482949
You do.. along with virtually every other major figure from Constantine to Justinian.

I'm planning on shuffling the order and doing a bit more formatting to make it less obvious who's who.

What's a good probability calculator for things like the chances of rolling max on a d6 with two rerolls?

>>53483230
Can you install a command line tool and run it? https://github.com/weatherspud/dice-notation
> $ odds 3d6k1
> 1 0.004629629629629629
> 2 0.032407407407407406
> 3 0.08796296296296294
> 4 0.17129629629629614
> 5 0.2824074074074073
> 6 0.4212962962962968

>>53483402
Thanks, but I'm limited to web tools right now.

Got a crazy idea for a rules lite osr game.
3 ability scores that boil down to combat/non-combat/saving throws.
All +/- modifiers are converted to Advantage/disadvantage. So the net of all your modifiers comes down to if you roll with advantage or not.
Skills = if you have it you get +ADV. If you don't -ADV.
Fighters always have +ADV to hit creatures of <=HD.
Etc.

Worth exploring?

>>53483469
http://anydice.com
This is pretty much your only option.

Read the side-bar stuff.
Do anything complicated, and it yells at you about taking to long and axes the calculation.

>>53483230
>What's a good probability calculator for things like the chances of rolling max on a d6 with two rerolls?
Your chance to roll at least one 6 given 3 rolls equals the inverse of your chance *not* to roll any 6s. Your chance not to roll any 6s = 5/6 * 5/6 * 5/6. That's .5787%. 1 - .5787 = .4213. So there's your chance to roll max: 42.13%

Or you could just enter this on anydice.com:
output [count {6} in 3d6]

Hit "calculate", then click the "at least" button, because you're interested in your chances of getting at least one 6.

A link to the results (though I think you still have to hit the "at least" button yourself): http://anydice.com/program/1065

Alternately, for something that's maybe a bit easier to interface with, but less flexible for other tasks, use a binomial calculator, like one of the following:
http://stattrek.com/online-calculator/binomial.aspx
http://onlinestatbook.com/2/calculators/binomial_dist.html
http://www.di-mgt.com.au/binomial-calculator.html

>>53483595
For the binomial calculators, "n" is your number of trials (3, since you're looking at 3 rolls) and "p" is your probability of success on each roll (so 1/6 = .1667). Then you want to look at what your chances of getting => 1 success.

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>>53482796

>While he was lathering himself in his bath, one of his Greek attendants, in a fit of uncontrollable nostalgia, felled him with the soap-dish.

Good to see critical hits are still relevant. Also, given the number of emperors, empresses, princes, and generals who were assassinated in the bath, I'm surprised it was so popular. Does your setting have bath houses, /osrg/?

>>53483984
Yes.
But they are my fetish so I have to work hard not to magical realm them.

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>>53484275
You have a... bathhouse fetish?
Like, are you sexually attracted to bathhouses? Do you pop a semi while boiling water for tea?
Do you like slutty bathhouses with greasy tiles, open to anyone for five copper, or do you prefer more refined and reserved bathhouses with hidden chambers?
Do you fantasize about the bathhouse's foreign sister, the sauna?

>>53483595
That's really helpful, thanks!

I'd remembered how to do the calculations myself not long after posting, but I was having trouble makeing sense of anydice's input.

>>53483984
I find it odd that the Greeks were using soap in the bath. Didn't they scratch themselves clean?

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>>53483984
Yeah, my setting has a high-elf nation that's an analog of the Achaemenid Empire, and they love their saunas. Persian-esque elves retiring to marbled bathhouses to scheme while doing drugs is A+.

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>>53484446
>I find it odd that the Greeks were using soap in the bath. Didn't they scratch themselves clean?

That's ancient greeks you're thinking of. This is the Byzantine empire. It's 600 AD. Everyone has soap now, and perfume, and silk underwear.

>>53484577
Aww yuss.

>>53484331
No anon, you went the wrong way with that. The hilarious way, but the wrong way.

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>>53484698
Wait, are critical hits your fetish? Emperors/Empresses? Assassinations? I'm curious now.

>>53484781
I have no idea how to answer you, as so far every guess of yours has been towards inanimate objects or concepts.
On the other hand, I recognize the movie that gif is from but, cannot remember the name, anyone help me on that?

>>53485272
Nevermind, remembered now.

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>>53485272
Fiddler on the Roof, anon.


And look. I said " Does your setting have bath houses" and you said "Yes. But they are my fetish."

So your fetish is therefore... /not/ bath houses?!? What? What sort of mind games are you trying to pull here? What else can I possibly interpret that as?

>>53485360
Listen anon, I confided in you and you kinda freaked out and made a big deal about it, I mean, I thought you would understand, now just I think we need to see other anons.

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>>53485488
>and you kinda freaked out and made a big deal about it,

I'm not trying to make a big deal! Lord knows, I've been caused of being into weirder shit. I just don't understand! Do you find bath houses attractive or not? And if not, what /do/ you find so attractive you can't include it in your games?

>>53485272
>tile fucker flashbacks intensify

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>>53474867
Empress Irene is singly-handedly filling out the last of the "Ruler" table.

People didn't have a lot of nice things to say about her.

>>53485548
Not that anon but maybe just google bathhouse and read some articles my friend.

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>>53486731
Oh.

Ooooooh.

So he wasn't interested in the building at all, but all the stuff going on inside? Why didn't he say so then?

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>>53486768
It's not about what's going on inside the bathhouse. It's the implication. You know.

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>>53486801
>It's not about what's going on inside the bathhouse. It's the implication. You know.

This is /tg/. There's not much that you can imply that couldn't be outright stated.

>>53486801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2viNLwFx7vU

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>>53484331
>greasy tiles

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Anyway, Ruler Table #1 is done. If you need a king, prince, queen, empress, or mad baron in a hurry, give it a roll.

The sentences listed are designed to be inserted into a "historical biography" of your NPC. They sound like something you'd read in a history book... because that's what they are.

Rolled 52, 33, 22, 8, 78 = 193 (5d100)

>>53487365
Rolling five times just to make it interesting because some of these look like minor-ish traits.

You were surprising conservative about mai waifu. It looks like you might also have mai other waifu and mai husbando on that list too.

>>53487365
>>53487552
So
>extremely energetic and hard-working
>his own father is jealous of his popularity with the citizens and soldiers
>he has a brother who's his equal, and perhaps isn't as good a ruler as the first two traits might imply
>yep - popular and hard-working, but easily led around and weak-willed
>"do as I say, not as I do" - ultimately probably ineffectual but of decent intention and throwing himself into grand projects suggested to him

It looks pretty good! That's room for a semi-sympathetic king with a lot of flaws and a powerful dynastic struggle too.

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>>53487552
They're more designed to be "what sort of king do I imagine has these traits", if that makes sense. A seed to build a character from.

An yes, many waifus, much husbandos.

This dandified young fop was promoted by his uncle to the rank of general. His energy astonished all who knew him, while his capacity for hard work was apparently without limit. If he ultimately fell short of greatness, this was largely due to his uncontrolled liberality.

Her father had been a bear-keeper, her mother an acrobat – antecedents more than enough to debar her from polite society. [She was] scheming and duplicitous, consumed by ambition and ever thirsty for power.

Sounds like any Imperial couple you'd care to name. I bet her name is Theodora or Eudoxia.

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>>53487591
Ah fuck, I had an off-by-two error. Ah well. All are good enough to use.

Though really, I wouldn't roll more than twice per king/royal family/NPC.

Soon enough, the Battles, Deaths, and Misc. Events table will be finished.

>>53487602
>Though really, I wouldn't roll more than twice per king/royal family/NPC.
Pffft, I want my royals grotesque.

In Labyrinth Lord 10 coins weight 1 pound. Help to change it reasonably. Maybe 50 coins=1 pound?

>>53487677

50 to a pound is how 3.5 does it, but keep in mind that the 10 to a pound weight was chosen for a few reasons that your changing will have consequences on. Primarily, coin is how the PCs gain XP in LL. 1 for 1. So by lightening the load you're making it trivial for them to gather and transport that coin back to a secure location.

Most of the play in OSR games arises from not fighting but actually avoiding conflict, and one of the complications of transporting coin is that it opens you up to banditry, monster ambushes, etc.

>>53456967
Anyone have any experience with Swords & Six-Siders. I want to run a full campaign using the rules but it seems I'm going to have to house rule a lot of stuff in.

>>53469502
Could stalemates be diversified by having bloody and uneventful stalemates?

>>53488262
Yeah, jewelry and gemstones are the real big ticket loot items precisely because they're so easy to carry. The logistics of getting loot out of a death-trap hole in the ground is part of the fun!

>>53487365
Nice. Looking forward to the "reason for reign cut short" table.

And while we're at it, anyone interested on making a foray into Fantasy Setting Generators? I'm developing one right now based off of SWN's World Tags and this dude Hafwit's post at RPG.Net.

So far, I haven't done much original work yet, but I'm hoping the idea for Randomly or Procedurally Generated Fantasy Settings catches on.

>>53490555
Got any examples? I don't know that guy and I haven't played SWN yet.

>>53490571
World tags are generally vague terms for traits and / or features of interest on planets, stuff like "Psychic cult" "Freak Weather" "Hostile Biosphere" "Dome Cities" stuff like that. Each one gives a little paragraph of setting lore and some hints as to what archetypes fit it for NPCs and Adventure hooks.

For Hafwit's idea, go here: https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?575689-Random-Fantasy-Setting-Generator

>>53490850
It's way too big in scale IMO and I'm a huge fan of random gen. This isn't the stuff I need random gen for or that it works best for, nor is it novel.

That's true. I tried messing around with it for playing Scarlet Heroes solo and it certainly does ad a lot of excess baggage.

Still, I think the idea itself, and not the execution we see here with hafwit, deserves attention. I've been thinking about it a whole lot and I think randomly generating a setting would be great for deconstructing assumptions we make about fantasy and how we might be inspired to avert, subvert, or invert said assumptions.

So this summer I won't have much to do at all, and I have access to a full university library database. I want to work on some OSR stuff, but I don't know what people are looking for nowadays. What kind of tools are usually heavily requested?

>>53491566
I feel like something about medieval item prices would be handy. Closest I've got is an out-of-print royal historical society book chock-a-block with medieval exchange rates, but very few prices.

>>53491710
I've actually wanted to make some kind of tool for making your own equipment price list for a while. It's not my area of expertise but I'll look into it.

>>53491565
>I've been thinking about it a whole lot and I think randomly generating a setting would be great for deconstructing assumptions we make about fantasy and how we might be inspired to avert, subvert, or invert said assumptions.
>deconstruct
> avert, subvert, or invert said assumptions
Found the TV Tropes hipster babby fuck off from OSR and go play FATE you faggot

>>53488262
But only for a couple of levels, because needed XP doubles every level. Also, drop platinum entirely.

>>53491565
Sit down and play microscope with your players that enjoy worldbuilding or writing.

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>>53493087

>>53491565
Beyond The Wall/Further Afield has a base group world building sheet for that you could expand into more tables. The Corpathium city generator and Yoon-Suin are both interesting to look at.

Perilous Wilds for dungeon world has useful stuff for world building too

>>53493508
Yeah and/or this. The Deep Forest would be neat too.

>>53491565
I think a random gen engine is about the best thing you can bring to a setting, sure. As long as everything generated works you have a chaotic element that no-one at the table can predict and that makes things interesting. But I don't usually need it for a whole setting. It's more like 'there's [thing] over here, let's roll dice to see what [thing] is like'

>>53491710
This is the only thing I've really seen about medieval prices:
http://medieval.ucdavis.edu/120D/Money.html
http://faculty.goucher.edu/eng240/medieval_prices.html

>>53491565
I would echo the Microscope recommendation in >>53493508

The problem with trying to generate randomly from tables is that tables already start with some implicit assumptions. If you roll for a ruler's death on a table you've already made an assertion that a ruler exists and that he was assassinated.

What do I use my d12 for?

>>53500356
random month of year
random zodiac symbol
random chinese year
hit points for faggot superfighter subclass

>>53500356
Play DCC and you get to use it to a whole bunch of things.

>>53500356
skills in GLOG

Fun argument going on right now.
We could use /osrg/'s 2 cents.

>>53490414
>>53490414

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>>53487644
That seems a little harsh. Even the actual Byanztines rarely had more than two or three serious, crippling flaws.

>>53490022
Probably. I'm going to write a "What's This Stalemate Like" table to help.

>>53490496
A trend is emerging as we progress through Byzantine history. It starts off with people being exiled, but as we get past ~600, things get dark... fast.

Exiled
Mutilated and then Exiled
Mutilated and forced into a Monastery
Mutilated and killed
Killed
Exiled and Killed once arriving
Killed and all your children castrated
Killed and all your children, surviving relatives, and favorite pets killed

>>53491566
I'd love a bunch of quick "fill in the name" family trees. King, queen, relatives, etc. for your setting.

There's a space for the name, but it list the person's gender, age, and traits. Maybe a portrait too, if you want to get all 'zine in here.

>>53501366
> I'd love a bunch of quick "fill in the name" family trees.

Not that anon but I'm actually working on that as part of the generator that uses those byzantine quirks tables.

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>>53502009
>Not that anon but I'm actually working on that as part of the generator that uses those byzantine quirks tables.

Hooray! Just make 'em simple to use. The easier they are to grab and use immediately during play, the better.

Fresh from 5e trying to understand Labyrinth Lord's attack roll. So you get a de facto attack bonus from class, which you add to a d20 roll, and then add or subtract the enemy's AC. And you always want to roll 20 or more, right?

>>53502084
Yeah, the real issue is making it detailed enough to feel like it gives you original and useful results while also not making it so overburdened that it's a hot mess.

Right now the plan is to give you a few names (so you can populate the ruler and their important family members as necessary), some epithets/titles (for embellishment), length of reign, their major status symbol (big palace, obscure knowledge, powerful royal guard, diverse harem, whatever), a big problem they faced during their reign (slave revolt, civil war, regular war, etc.), up to 2 interesting quirks about them and their reign, and how their reign ended.

So far I've got a pretty good little sub-generator going for middle-eastern-flavored nobles (I can throw up some examples if you like), so expanding it to encompass more regions is next on the list.

Why were Clerics not called Holy Men?

I'm looking to start a game of DCC, and I'm disappointed of the lack of lynch mob funnel adventures. You'd think that getting together a dozen or more unwashed peasants, it'd be just natural to add in a whole lot of torches and pitchforks?

Are there any other good adventure modules out there that I could adapt to this purpose?

>>53502483
Check the table on page 60. Find your class and level in the left three columns then follow the right to the right until you reach the column of the AC you want to hit. That number is the result on the d20 you need to hit.

For example, if you are a level 3 fighter you need a roll of 15 to hit armor class 3.

>>53502716
they're more akin to war-priests than robe wearing healers

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I like asking /osrg/ because you guys are interested in the psychology of play & discussing the merits of gameplay ideas independent of their systems.

My biggest question is: How do you make a cityscape gameable?

I know that sounds like a ridiculous question, and that Zak Sabbath scratched the surface in Vornheim (particularly in the "city crawl" section) but this hardly seems like a feasible/approachable idea to run the guts of an entire city scape.

I know that in a lot of 3.x modules (you'll have to forgive me, that's the system I came from) they tend to favor abstract rules, particularly gather information rolls to glean important information, and while this system works for smaller settlements or for games where nothing really happens in the city, it isn't a really great system either, and I tend to prefer less abstract game systems that the players don't have to deal with.

Usually, the way I run it is by coming up with districts, writing about the general character of them and keying a few important buildings/NPCs, it usually ends up feeling a lot like Gabriel Knight or other point and click interfaces that require the players to "unlock" locations on the map as they learn of them, but I'm hardly convinced that this is the best system, and I'm ABSOLUTELY certain that a crawl like Wizardry or Bards Tale isn't feasible either.

I don't know, what do you guys think?

>>53502941
Yup, I saw the table, but I'll probably be running for other people who've only played editions with 5e and checking a table may feel too cumbersome

>>53503198
I meant editions with ascending AC but just 5e is about as accurate

Fighting-Man
• Fighting-Woodsman
• Fighting-Godling

Magic-User
• Magic-Pretender

Church-Militant
• Church-Savage

Jeweler-Acrobat
• Gigolo-Acrobat

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>>53503186
>How do you make a cityscape gameable?
Well, wouldn't that depend what time of game you want?
Is the city the heart of the game or just a frequent locale? Are the players going to primarily be interacting with a certain sphere of society (criminals, rich, religious, poor, merchants, etc.)? What kind of city is it, both in terms of race and government?

>>53503198
I thought that as well but actually I ended up preferring the table because when you use descending AC it's just a lot easier than trying to do THAC0-like math. I'd say give it a try once first before writing it off.

Experience G.P.
Dice Result Point Value Sale Value
78-79 Wand of Max 6,000 30,000
80-81 Wand of Min 5,000 25,000
82 Wand of Minimax 10,000 50,000

Wand of Max: the wand discharges a scintillating
purple cone 30' wide by 60' long which confers on each
creature in its area of effect the property of always
rolling a maximum possible value on any to-hit, damage,
or saving throw rolls. The effect lasts for 2-12 rounds
or 12 rounds if the wand wielder has been subjected to
the effects of the wand.

Wand of Min: the wand coughs out a canteloupe-size
ball which streaks out to the desired range, up to 12", and
burst in a fiery yellow blast, debilitating all creatures
within a 3" range by causing them to always roll a minimum
possible value on any to-hit, damage, or saving throw
rolls. However, a successful save against rod, staff, or
wand will will avoid the effect.

Wand of Minimax: a silvery ray springs forth, up to 9",
causing any creature struck to be unable to engage in
combat before finding the minimax optimal solution for
conducting the combat. The free variables to consider
are selection of weapon, order of battle, choice
of target, and condition for retreat. High-intelligence
creatures (INT 18) will be delayed for only 1 round, but
average intelligence creatures (INT 9-12) will require
two turns. Lower intelligence creatures will require
six turns as they brute-force approximate the solution
with simulation.

>>53503353
I would actually like various approaches for a variety of cities. For my own purposes, I will say that my city is the heart of the game, but I'd be interested to hear what approaches you'd take.

>>53503186

Into the Odd breaks down different areas of the city into tables. Basically you make up a bureau or district of the city and grab a table of things that happen often in it.

You could also go with a more structured neighborhood crawl style game; plot out your city into distinct areas and give each one enemies, treasures, places of note and so on.

Does anyone have The Rad Hack with the art? And is modern hack any good? What other black hack stuff is worth checking?

>>53503936
I think Blue Hack is better than Black

>>53504116

Is it in the trove?

>>53504235
Yes

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>>53503243
>Gigolo-Acrobat

"Fascinate" type effect once per hour.

>>53502654
>Yeah, the real issue is making it detailed enough to feel like it gives you original and useful results while also not making it so overburdened that it's a hot mess.

I like the idea of a set of pre-printed sheets. Like 4 family trees per letter sized sheet of paper. Each one has a space for a family crest, a brief family tree (only living people, maybe one dead guy who is a ghost), along with descriptions like "scheming uncle" or "deaf youngest son". And then you roll extra attributes (if you want) off a Ruler-type table.

>>53503567
>For my own purposes, I will say that my city is the heart of the game,
basically that thing you said earlier about districts, but instead of
>point and click [...] the players to "unlock" locations on the map as they learn of them,
prepare a note-sheet will all major locations ahead of time.

Send it to all the players ahead of time.
Assume they won't read it and print off a copy to give each player.
Very very broadly skim it at the start of the first session.

Put 2 or 3 names (with one sentence descriptions) on the note-sheet for every type of business you expect the players to interact with.
Put non-common locations (thieves guild, etc.) on alll the sheets if anyone's class of background justifies knowing it.

Don't put it on the sheet, but have a Random Encounter for each district at each time of day.
Beyond the city is a point crawl. NOT A HEXCRAWL. Hexcrawls are about exploration. Point crawls are about travel.
Your game takes place in the city. "Exploration" (rumor gathering) happens in the city.

If you *must* hexcrawl, do it episodically. You point crawl down the river, to the village, to the road, through the swamp, to the port.
The port takes you to an island, and the island is a hexcrawl. The way back to the city is just the port and the road.

>>53495566

Well, osr?

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>>53505204
>prepare a note-sheet will all major locations ahead of time.
>Send it to all the players ahead of time.

I learned long ago that players won't read /shit/ about your world unless it's also about them.

I just hand everyone a note card with "Lies, Truths, and Rumours" on it, and then plonk down a city map.

Then I luxuriously describe things, but interactively. Orphans to chase, dogs to scowl at, buildings to fear, things to go "wtf" at. The usual. Try and make the city real. Evoke real-life stuff. Smells are great for this. "The city smells like boiled piss" or "this room smells musty, like your grandmother's linen drawer".

>Don't put it on the sheet, but have a Random Encounter for each district at each time of day.

Yup. There are loads of good ones online. Against the Wicked City and Vornheim are 2 top contenders.

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50 Byzantine events, to sprinkle into your cities, campaign histories, random encounter tables, and backstories.

There's no real theme other than "if you roll on this table, stuff will happen".

>>53506515
Any repeats from the other byzantine tables?

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>>53506731
Nope! All fresh and new. I'm sorting text into 4 categories: Leaders, Deaths, Wars, and Events. Events is sort of the grab-bag of stuff too good to exclude but that doesn't fit into any other category.

I'd probably roll something like:
Title:
http://antlerrr.blogspot.ca/2017/05/acid-death-fantasy-thousand-sultans.html

Family and Nature:
>>53487365
(roll once or twice)

And What's He Up To When The PCs Arrive?
>>53506515

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Thread seems extra dead tonight.

>>53506266
They won't read it until they need to, and they'll never read the whole thing, but you can get them to read parts of it if you can get them to pretend it's a map.

>>53506266
>>53507256
>if you can get them to pretend it's a map.
Actually, scratch that.

M a k e I t A P o i n t C r a w l M a p

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>>53506798
I am sad that in 2hrs, not one person has decided to roll up a ludicrous ruler using tables it took me ages to create.

I am also sad that this makes me sad.

>>53508098
It's not a thing that's needed very often.
Plus we're burnt out on your contrived narratives after all that war generation.

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>>53508127
>Plus we're burnt out on your contrived narratives after all that war generation.

So am I but fuck it, I've committed now. I'm seeing Volume III of Byzantium through to the end.

>>53508098
Common now buddy if you put effort into something you want it to be appreciated.

>>53502716
The real question is why Clerics aren't called Templars or Holy Warriors.

>>53503186
Most of the time the point-crawl or neighbourhood method you describe is more than sufficient. Add in a table of random encounters within the city if you want PCs to have some sort of encounter.

If you want to make any landscape into a "crawl", you need to divide it into abstractions of space - either overlay a square or hex grid on top. This turns the "city" into an explorable space like the dungeon or wilderness, but will also slow your game to a crawl as then you need to develop a "citycrawl" procedure. This gets really tedious when all you want to do is just visit the blacksmith to get your equipment repaired.

I am using hexographer. I'd like to use something that has undo. Please advise

Funny how I come to /osr/ for this advice the very thread there's a lot of point crawl suggestions. inb4, I did point crawl all my life, it's time to try something new and make a nice hex map.

>>53504346

Which folder? I'm blind and can't seem to find it

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Anyone has the full version of this?

>>53503186
>I don't know, what do you guys think?
I think you should check out the City-State of the Invincible Overlord and that it's a bit worrying for the state of the thread that nobody told you so already.

>>53510171
>Which folder?
3_OSR Games -> The Black Hack

>>53511596

Thanks. I really am blind-went right passed it twice

>>53503936
The Gene Hack is totally worth it. It's kind of like Gamma World, only depending on what attribute scores you roll you get one of nine forms and one of nine fluxes. Stronger attributes get weaker forms/fluxes while weaker attributes get stronger forms/fluxes, making characters balance out in a really interesting and fun way.

>>53512516

I'll keep my (third) eye open for it

>>53512746
Yeah, you'll probably be able to find it in a Mega folder somewhere, though it's worth the $2.50 pricetag on DTRPG.
Like this one #!XxklzLZS!QkkbsjJKJEpYNf6_whz0ibDN7QoG0SfFv-sU74bSppE

>>53511190

>>53456967 → Trove (etc.): http://pastebin.com/QWyBuJxd → https://pastebin.com/r4DuaZeJ (Thread OP) → [IMAGES] https://imgur.com/a/0tuKk

I've seen completely blank ones before, but this is the best I know how to find.

>>53511217
The last time I said "read Judges Guild" somebody told me to fuck off because there was too much to read.

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=33266
Does anyone have this PDF and can Troveguy add it?

>>53513119
addendum: catenwolde is sending it per PM to other users.
Someone surely has a DF account and can get it right?

(You) could make an account.

>By the book, house rules, or homebrew?

4e Tunnels and Trolls right now, house rules.

Any good OSR podcasts out there? I'm looking for something to listen to on my morning walks.

>>53513110
Christ.
>fuck off Anon, there's too much quality material there, your suggestion is shit

Well, at least that guy got what he deserved, I guess.

>>53513110
>>53515533
Speaking of Judges Guild, are there any more good adventures besides Tegel Manor, Caverns of Thracia, and Dark Tower?

>>53515578
even better, is there a trove or collection of Judge's Guild material? I'd be interested in reading most of their stuff

>>53515825
All the Judge's Guild stuff is in the trove, right under supplements.

>>53515860
ahh, I missed that. Thanks!

>>53515578
Eh, depends on how good you want them to be to count. I think you can defend Thieves of Fortress Badabaskor, Temple of Ra Accursed By Set, Book of Treasure Maps and even Wraith Overlord on some levels, but none of those reach Caverns level at all. Neither does Tegel Manor, of course, so...

Verbosh is good for what it is as well, but what it is isn't an adventure specifically so much as it's a mini-setting or a starting area.

To be honest, personally I tend to think the Paul Jaquays adventures are exceptions based on Jaquays' exceptional skills, and not typical of what Judges' Guild was good at, which is to provide material for the referee to make his own adventures. The maps and sparse setting stuff in Wilderlands, the empty dungeon maps in the CSIO set and so on are great starting points to work from. The same with the implied adventures in the City-State itself; e.g. there's no module called "Looting the Temple of the Gargoyle", the temple is just on the map and the contents are specified in the booklet so if the PCs want to hit the temple you can run that yourself with ease (and without it becoming some overcomplicated dungeoncrawl or keyhunting procedure that doesn't make sense except as a way to fill 24 pages).

>>53512516

Have you checked out the rad hack?

What are (if any) the best OSR or OSR-related books which have a wealth of useful information about fleshing out cultures and/or the economics of a region, possibly taking into account the possibilities that things can get weird in a fantasy setting?

>>53519501
ACKS core book does good enough job.

Speaking of good cityscape tables, are there any good random events tables for rural villages (or anything in the 50-200 population area)?

I have a couple ideas for what can/will happen but it's always good to have more inspiration.

>>53513166
On it now, dubsman.

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>>53508854
I'm used to getting abuse, scorn, and mockery. That I can deal with. Non-interaction weirds me out.

>>53519501
Honestly, probably better off grabbing a history book. "A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century" is a fantastic place to start, and well worth the read (or listen, if you like audiobooks). Real life is stranger than fiction.

>>53525509
>Real life is stranger than fiction.

>>53519501
These are more focused on entertainment than history.
Fairly accurate tho. On the other hand, so are you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1kndKWJKB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsk6oZm1EEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vcF5rebN20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIlnsP6AjP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_1IpUCUuVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqeXXzKTzRU

>>53525509
>>53525816
>Real life is stranger than fiction.
Like Mark Twain said:

>Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.

It's so dead...

Is this the end of the movement?

>Old School Revival? More like Old School Dying

>>53527232
New products are still coming out.

Just that you not seeing new systems as well, there only so many ways you can repackage B/X

>>53527250
I think we should start highlighting new products,so more people know about them and we can have discussions

>>53527232
Pretty sure there's only so much one can discuss about OSR games.

>>53527448
We need new blood here