THE DEVASTATION OF BAAL

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"Now you see the power of the Primaris Marines™ Sons of Sanguinus™. They can be yours, for only $60 for five available at your local Games Workshop™ hobby center."
-Guilliman following the Devastation of Baal.

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BAAL LIVES! *STOMP*STOMP* BAAL LIVES *STOMP*STOMP*

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>>53453637
>'Sup Bitches

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>>53453649
Tyranid Fans BTFO. Chaos turns out to be the real threat again!

also all hail Papa Smurf and his Primaris Marines!

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Eat shit nids, but never mind that shit, here comes Ka'Bandha!

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>The Nids thought they were actually going to be a threat in 8e
Bunch-a stoopid bugz.

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>Nothing personnel, 'nid

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>>53453673
We really are an NPC race :^(

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>>53453649
>this tendril of Leviathan hyped up for years as being the scariest Tyranid threat yet
>BTFO Cryptus system and Baal Systems
>BA down to their last reserves
>INDOMINUS CRUSADE OUTTA NOWHERE
>warp rift casually removes entire fleet
>khorne BTFO nids

Well, no point in even trying to defend nids anymore, this is the new direction of the fluff, only imperium and chaos matter.

>mfw warp rift casually wipes out all the Orks and tyranids in Octaria
>mfw Flayer curse revealed as Nurgle plague and half the Necrons get wiped out by it
>mfw tzeentch sneezes and the entire Tau empire is wiped out
>mfw ynnead revealed to just be slaanesh daemon and all eldar get wiped out or corrupted
>mfw khorne daemons BTFO Orks from Armageddon
>mfw Indominus crusade wipes out all the Necron tomb worlds
>mfw guilliman breaks Ghazz over his knee

Xenos will never amount to anything meaningful in the setting, I have finally learned.

>>53453748
>Xenos will never amount to anything meaningful in the setting, I have finally learned.
I would have thought you'd have figured that out when GW revealed they actually thought Chaos was underrepresented pre-8e.

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>>53453649
>Ultramarines and Khorne team up to save the Blood Angels
Hot damn. Picking the basic bitch factions to be my favorite sure paid off for the new edition.

>expecting 40k lore to not be shit

Y'all set yourselves up for that one, friends.

Guys, the Tyrannids were never going to be able to win. If they do, the game is over: there wouldn't be any living forces in the galaxy to play against.

>>53453791
I don't think anyone actually expect nameless tyranid Leviathan horde #345 to beat the Blood Angels, but >>53453789 has it right. It was unbelievably shitty how they did it, doubly so given all the build up. And it's par for the course for modern GW.

>>53453771
>Ultramarines and Khorne team up to save the Blood Angels
The Knights of Blood are Chaos Marines, right? They were probably the ones who summoned Ka'Bandha in the first place.

>>53453649
THANK YOU ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN OUR SPIRITUAL LIEGE

>>53453598
>all save the Lamenters
Did they get killed off?

>>53453714
chuckle

>>53453840
Up in the air but more likely than not unless fluff prevails.

>>53453789
I mean hasn't one of the writers already said something about how Chaos is "destined" to win the setting or some shit?

>>53453811
Yeah, after seeing how anticlimactic the fall of Cadia itself was, this really doesn't surprise me at all. For so long I tried to defend GW fluff, but this is the final straw for me. If I wanted everything to just be chaos vs chadmarines inwoumd have just stuck with AoS

Why are people getting so upset ? Isn't it implied the rest of the hivefleet was relocated by the warpstorm or something ? It will probably pop up on the other side of the rift so there can be battles against the nids on both sides of it.

Huh, I'm actually a tad disappointed. I play Blood Angels and my friend plays 'nids. I was kinda hoping for a good ol' grudge match but nah, we both just got ULTRAMARINE'D outta nowhere.

I actually like the fluff bitz about Chaos fucking up the Tyranids though. It strikes a nice "FUCK OFF NEW KID, I CALLED DIBS ON 'EM FIRST" kinda feel.

I wonder if we'll still get something new out of this. I was hoping it'd be one of the first new campaign series for 8e, something kinda like a two-book set we got with Fenris, Deathstorm, or the two Tau books.

>>53453620
>Five Chapter Masters fell in bitter fighting
Well, Dante seems to be still kicking at the end of things. I wonder if Seth is fine too.
The only other BA Chapter Master I can think of who's had rules is Malakim Phoros and the Lamenters were explicitly stated to have not arrived.
Hope my boy is okay.

>>53453950
>Isn't it implied the rest of the hivefleet was relocated

Yeah, to Khorne's skull throne.

Not surprised. Everyone knew GW would sweep away the Nids for Chaosh

>>53453817
No. They're renegades who still consider themselves loyal to the Imperium, but got on the Inquisition's shit list.

>>53453967
The novel comes out November I believe. Hope our boys are all good. I actually like this fluff, and I realize it is short because they want to expand with more novels. So much salt just because of Gorillaman and an ENTIRE crusade? /tg/ feels like /v/ somedays

>>53453967
If Seth is dead you can stick a fork in the Flesh Tearers. Then again, maybe this is how they'd want to go out anyway.

>>53453997
I just figured it'd be metaphorical and gradual. More nid defeats, less nid fluff, more Imperial/chaos fluff oversaturation.
Not Chaos literally running up in the Nid's shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEuU64Zt4B0

>>53453840
>>53453857
They got corrupted and join the Red Corsairs in Gathering Storm part 3.

>ultramarines wiped out an entire hive fleet
>Blood angels absolutely BTFO by a single tendril of Leviathan
>5 chapter masters dead
>needed chaos to intervene to even have a chance
>asses saved by Ultramarines

Blood angels a shit. Sanguinius didn't die for this shit

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>>53453748
Just for you, the nids' new theme song!
https://youtu.be/6MYAGyZlBY0

>>53454041
>If Seth is dead you can stick a fork in the Flesh Tearers.
Why?

>>53453590
IIRC Baal is covered in wastelands and virtually worthless for the Hive Fleet. Why would they go there?

>>53454157
Seth is pretty much the only thing that saved them from being declared traitors in the first place.

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>>53454152
>Behemoth
>As big as Leviathan
>Ultras and especially Calgar not getting torn a new asshole

The Crusade isn't just Ultras, it is an IMPERIAL crusade, and Leviathan required that plus everything a first founding chapter and its allies could throw at it, plus the galaxy's newest asscrack unleashing a devastating psychic fart in order to stop them. If anything, it's not ultramarines plot stealing, or chaos, it's a punch of plot devices.

>>53454169

Sanguinius' remains might have been drawing them there due to the psychic presence left behind by the dead Primarch.

>>53454234
Remember battle bruvas. 5 Chapter Masters were killed and the Blood Angels were almost wiped out.

>>53453609
You forgot the part where he breaks the 4tb wall and makes it clear he's talking to codex: Blood Angel players

>>53454277
Primaris blood angels coming soon!

>>53454198
Didnt they murder a bunch of Guardsmen? They deserve to be declared traitors.

>>53453609
Wow, careful not to be sued there man, you forgot some. Let me correct that for you.


>"Now™ you™ see the power™ of the Primaris™ Marines™ Sons™ of Sanguinus™. They™ can be yours™, for only $60 for five™ available at your local™ Games™ Workshop™ hobby™ center™."™
> -Guilliman™ following the Devastation™ of Baal™.

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So you're telling me that Guilliman brought what is currently the single greatest armada of ships in the Imperium, from Ultramar to Terra to Baal. On this map?

>>53454356
There are two passages across the rift on the map. The "Temporary Rift Corridor" in the southeast and the Nachmund Gauntlet in the northwest. No idea how he dealt with the whole astronomicon issue though.

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>>53454356
Yeap that's exactly what we're being told along with the entire hive fleet getting abducted.

>>53453649
>Xenos skulls piled impossibly high
>eight-pillared
Given that Khorne despises sorcery, do you think Ka'Bandha took the time to arrange each skull and make sure they don't fall down?

>>53454234
Plus Necrons too. Basically Leviathan did everything except wipe the bangles to the man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48

poor nids

>Leviathan requires literally Khorne and Girlyman to stop
>Tyranid players still get butthurt.

Blood Angels will forever be a decimated chapter in fluff now like the Space Wolves and people still cry their asses off

"Why didn't we wipe out another faction in the game!"

>>53454421
THE NIDS ARE GOOD BOYS
THEY DINDU NUFFIN WRONG

>>53454421
>Deus Ex Machinas are a fine way to wrap up an event that's been built up for a long time
Fuck off.

>>53454451
>WAAAAAAH MUH NIDS

Every time, without fail, Nid players cry their asses off when they don't wipe out a faction.

>>53454356
Don't forget time has no meaning for warp travel. It could be Gulli from 10 years in the future.

>>53454464
>implying I play Space Bugs
Baal should have been destroyed with only a couple characters making it out. This would fit the new theme of devasted chapters being renewed by Primaris marines but no
>lol Gillyman shows up to save the day
What a fucking joke.

>>53454493
>Faction should be basically removed because MUH NIDS

Like I said, every fucking time.

>>53454304
Who hasn't butchered guardsmen at this point?

>>53454493
All I wanted was for them to keep the two sections of the Imperium, which they clearly divided and explained had a different feel, separate.
When you tell me that there's a Crusade, and there's a Dark Imperium, and there's a big fucking gap between them, I expect you to play by the rules you just set.
Not break them BEFORE THE EDITION EVEN COMES OUT.
(To be fair, if we get a decent Campaign Guide of some sort out of this, I'll feel a bit better.)

>>53454511
>Faction should be removed
That's not what I said at all you shiteating nonce. The Bangles would eventually be fine they'd just lose their homeworld. When the Blood Angels were reduced to less than 50 Astartes on a space hulk was the faction removed? Dramatically it deserved to fall. I don't even play BA or tyranids. Explain to me how the existing story was compelling.

how the fuck did Guilliman even get there on time? Tyranids were right next to Baal while Guilliman was still in statis

>>53454522
Actual loyalists. Flesh Tearers deserve to get lined up against a wall for their crimes.

>>53454464
Having them lose is fine. Having them lose to a team-up of Ultramarines and Khorne Daemons is just dumb.

I would have rather they had fucking Sanguinius poof into existance and bitch-slap every nid single-handidly, because at least then it would have been an actual victory for the Blood Angels and probably would have made more sense.

>>53454560
I think the implication was that the Tyranids and Blood angels got time-locked by the warp rift. Basically a few days pass inside while a couple years go by outside. That's why when the stars vanish and reappear the Imperial fleet is suddenly there. Presumably the rest of the Hive Fleet might have just moved on after their prey got swallowed by a warp storm.

>>53454261
So Sanguinius was a genestealer?

>>53454593
couldn't they have made it anymore convoluted? throw the 4th tau expansion there as well and why not have Eldrad poking around there too

>>53454579
>>53454557

>Blood Angels get their Prime marines
>Leviathan takes out all Blood Angel chapter masters but Dante
>It takes the Galaxy fucking itself over plus the Supreme commander of the Imperium PLUS the strongest Bloodthirster ever to finally halt the Hive fleet.

The hive fleet was utterly unstoppable, swatting aside the entire might of the Blood Angels and was stopped mere seconds before total destruction by like 3 huge events. Leviathan was more effective than Magnus the Red.

We didn't even hear about the Swarmlord being used.

Nid players would be crying even more if Sanguinus showed up and soloed the fleet.

>>53454041
Laying waste to tyranids for the glory of the Imperium in one last GODDAMN FUCKING METAL LAST STAND is definitely how the Flesh Tearers would go if given the choice, as long as it was hopeless and savage as possible, and they got to carve their name into the veey genetic memory of said enemy forever

>>53454464
Because we should be wiping factions. Dont build it up to be "DA BIGGERST FRET EVAR11!1! And then just crack slam them via plot devices. Tyranids should be a threat not a saturday morning cartoon villain

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>>53453649
>>53453649
>>53453649
jesus fuck

>>53454643
>We SHOULD BE WIPING OUT FACTIONS.

So you should be there, forcing other peoples armies into total uselessness because MUH NIDS.

>>53454623
>Blood Angels get their Prime marines

This presumably doesn't happen until Guilliman shows up to hand-deliver them. Which again, is really weird that he'd risk himself through the great rift like that.

I actually haven't seen any whining from Nid players, apart from them complaining how stupid the whole thing is. After all, how can you be upset when a fucking tendril of tyranids requires ALL the blood angels, Ultramarines plus their living primarch, all the new blood angels Primaris marines, a time-delaying warp-rift so they all arrive on time, Daemonic reinforcements to kill the rest of it, AND a special Daemons character to solo all the ones on the moon?

It's such blatant plot armor for a fight we obviously weren't going to win anyway. It's just amazing that they had to do that huge of a poorly written asspull to pull it off.

>>53454623
it doesn't matter what it took, what matters it that it was resolved so simply instead of having campaign for it or something. anything more than couple of lines of text.
and Tyranids losing one of their biggest armies they have at the moment with no losses for imperium(unless one of those 5 chapter masters is Dante or Seth) is just fucking lame.

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>>53453598

>mfw Lamenters were the only ones not there to get their chadmarines.

>>53454623
>strongest Bloodthirster ever

Ka'pandaman isn't the strongest thirster. He is a third host BT.

>>53454675
winning a battle and annihilating a faction is not a same thing

>>53454713
I'm not actually sure the Tyranids lost their army. Looking it over, there were 3 forces of Nids.

>The ones on Baal
>The ones on the moon
>The fleet in space

Baal and its moon got sucked up by Daemons, but I think the main fleet was outside of the rift, based on the fact that the Imperial fleet appears where that one once was, and presumably they didn't sail into a warp storm.

So the one's on the moon got killed by Daemons, the ones on Baal got killed by Imperial reinforcements, and the Hive fleet presumably fucked off since everyone was caught in a time bubble that it didn't want to deal with.

>>53453649

>Blood Angels confirmed for secret BFFs with Khorne

It makes sense when you think about it. Y'know, blood.

>>53454688
I was looking forward to all the warzones but if they keep on ending up like this, cadia, and ultramarr idk what to think anymore.

>>53454743
The Fleet was sucked up by the Great Rift.

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>yfw this inexplicably leads to something retarded like Tyranid Daemon Princes or Caos Genestealer Marines

>>53453950
Baal is already on the back side of the rift.
The Octarian War is on the front side.
The nids were ALREADY on both sides.
Now the only thing left on the back side are maybe some splinters here and there. Maybe. Though the way they wrote it it sounds like it was all the local Leviathan ships that got fucked.

>>53454743
>o
They could certainly have it appear somewhere unexpected on the Rift if they wanted.

>>53454803
Doesn't say that. >>53453637

Just says it opened, they got blasted with storms, and the Fleet didn't do anything else.

The Tyranids who were on the planet and moon were clearly cut off from the fleet, which shouldn't have been the case if they were all in the storm.

>>53454803
So one of the biggest hive fleets this far, with all the shadow in the warp that entails, gets sucked into the warp. What happens then? Can they move in there???

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>>53454837
>The Tyranids infest the Warp.

>>53454837
They go back in time, become Hive Fleet Ouroboros, and get beaten by a third wave of plot armor in the form of the Emperor.

>tfw play Blood Angels and Tyranids

Fluff is dead to me. I'm done.

>>53454833
No, read >>53453649.

It says the clue about the disappearance of Leviathan is on the moon where Khornates placed their crap.

It clearly shows that Chaos kidnapped the fleet.

>>53454860
No, that clue is talking about the fact that Chaos Daemons killed all the ones that were on the moon.

Unless mystery equals 'my headcanon is the only correct one' now

>>53454873
No, it literally says that the clue for the DISAPPEARANCE OF LEVIATHAN lays in moon where Tyranid skulls were stacked up on high as a symbol of a Khornate dude.

Why is something chaotic is used as a clue to the sudden disappearance of a Nid fleet? Because Chaos kidnapped them.

>>53454913
>Why is something chaotic is used as a clue to the sudden disappearance of a Nid fleet?

>Oh man, there's Daemonic stuff on this moon! We must have been trapped in some sort of warp anomoly
>Aha, and since the Tyranids on the planet were not able to contact the Hive fleet, that means they were not in the anomaly
>And, with the arrival of Lord Guilliman, it's possible that an extended period of time may have passed for those outside of the warp storm
>Which of course, would include our missing Hive Fleet

What a mystery!

>>53454464
It should've been the Blood Angels who took us out. Not TWO miraculous interventions at the same time.
A defiant resistance full of desperate last stands and overwhelming odds. The valor of mankind to defy an implacable, utterly alien foe, only winning because of the actions of their courageous heroes.
THAT is why we are the NPC race. To give others such moments. But they didn't even let the Blood Angels have that. They got fucked, and Guilliman and a fucking Khornate daemon saved their asses.
It's insulting to both sides. It denies them a hard-fought victory and it denies us our purpose.

>>53454928
>sort of warp anomoly

That's headcanon.

>since the Tyranids on the planet were not able to contact the Hive fleet, that means they were not in the anomaly

Headcanon.

All we know is that the Tyranid fleet disappeared when the Great Rift appeared. The only clue to where they went is a Khornate symbol on a moon.

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>>53454937
This anon gets it.

>>53454947
>>sort of warp anomoly
>That's headcanon.

It's headcanon that the Great Rift is a warp anomaly and that the Blood Angels were clearly trapped in either it or one caused by it?

>>since the Tyranids on the planet were not able to contact the Hive fleet, that means they were not in the anomaly
>Headcanon.

Then why else were the Tyranids on the planet 'surprised' for lack of a better term when the anomaly faded and the hive fleet wasn't there?

>All we know is that the Tyranid fleet disappeared when the Great Rift appeared. The only clue to where they went is a Khornate symbol on a moon.

Yes, which could just as easily mean that they decided to just go away once Chaos nonsense started happening.

So, what, the Shadow in the Warp just doesn't exist anymore?

>>53455001
Nope. At some point some Chaos writer decided anything that made life hard for Chaos was dumb. Now Tyranids are vulnerable to nurgle plagues, their skulls and ichor fuel Khornates just fine despite past fluff saying they did nothing for him, and presumably Slaanesh can just turn Tyranids into cute girls because why the fuck not?

>>53454992
>It's headcanon that the Great Rift is a warp anomaly and that the Blood Angels were clearly trapped in either it or one caused by it?

Nowhere its said anything about an anomaly.

>Then why else were the Tyranids on the planet 'surprised' for lack of a better term when the anomaly faded and the hive fleet wasn't there?

Where are you getting this from?

>Yes, which could just as easily mean that they decided to just go away once Chaos nonsense started happening.

A tendril hive fleet that big doesn't disappear like that by just "going away". The Blood Angels wouldn't miss hundreds of ships slowly (Tyranid speeds within system are slow as fuck) exiting their system. The Hive Fleet would be spotted for hundreds of lightyears even if it got out of the system.

The Hive Fleet just vanished from space.

>Blood Angel last stand utterly bockclocked by smurfs and chaos

>>53455016
The Shadow in the Warp never stopped Chaos doe.

>>53455041
During the fall of Shadowbrink the Shadow in the Warp "overtook" a Great Unclean one.

>>53455031
>Nowhere its said anything about an anomaly.

What else would you fucking call it?

>Where are you getting this from?

See >>53453637 where they look up to try and contact the fleet, but the Imperial Fleet is where it was instead. And since they did this only when the stars reappeared, their fleet was likely beyond some sort of veil where they couldn't see them.

>The Blood Angels wouldn't miss hundreds of ships slowly (Tyranid speeds within system are slow as fuck) exiting their system

Unless they were caught in some sort of time bubble (which the Great Rift is known for causing), which allowed the Tyranids and Imperial reinforcements to suddenly appear.

Or are you forgetting that Guilliman was still in a coma while Baal was under siege?

>>53455061
It dampened the daemon powers but it didn't banish them. The Great Unclean One was shot to death.

Ka'Pandaman and his fellow Khornate daemons don't have anything to dampen. They are just swinging swords and axes around. So the Shadow would be less annoying to them.

>>53455099
>Ka'Pandaman and his fellow Khornate daemons don't have anything to dampen.

Except their inherently daemonic nature that makes them more durable, as well as any daemonic gifts and blessings on their weapons and armor.

Swords and axes works less well when you don't have as much Chaos juice to make it work.

>>53453598
I wonder what locked the Lamenters down so badly that they could not answer the call.

>>53455099
But why would they give a shit about killing Tyranids to begin with? Alien ichor is not the same as blood, it doesn't sustain them. And they can't maintain their presence in the Materium as easily because the Shadow weakens their connection.

They get fucking nothing for doing work that they don't need nor want to do.

>>53455074
>What else would you fucking call it?

It says the Great Rift opened and the planet was hit with warp energy storms.

>where they look up to try and contact the fleet,

It does not say that. When the Great Rift opened, the waves of Leviathan ceased. The fleet disappeared.

>Unless they were caught in some sort of time bubble

Headcanon.

The clue for Leviathan disappearance wasn't said to be time related. It was Khorne related.

>Or are you forgetting that Guilliman was still in a coma while Baal was under siege?

Bullshit. As GS was happening the Blood Angels were preparing for the siege.

We are not given a timeline for the events of GS. We don't know how long the Siege of Baal lasted and its timeframe compared to the events of GS.

>>53455128
I don't think there are enough Lamenters left to even answer. Or they are too depressed.

>>53455016

Fluff is always a murky and shifting thing. Nurgle is the lord of death it's pretty clear he could come up with some shit to infect them. You wouldn't be okay with the Tau or Eldar having some total and unending immunity to Nurgle but you are okay with it for your guys because they are your guys. I'm pretty sure there's a case of Nurgle infecting machinery, and if he can infect fucking digital mechanics he can infect biological organisms.

You guys have always been and always will be the side dressing to Chaos and the Orks. Deal with it.

>>53455133
They have skulls and they are going after Khorne's prey.

>>53455114
Khorne's power resistant to sorcery which the Shadow in the Warp ultimately is.

The proof is on the paper. Ka'pandaman killed a moon worth of Tyranids either by himself or with his daemon host.


>And they can't maintain their presence in the Materium as easily because the Shadow weakens their connection.

They can with the Great Rift feeding their existences.

>ghillieman shows up just in time to see the Blood Angels resort to chaos worship

I'm sure this isn't going to turn into a thin excuse for GW to pump out marine v marine novels after HH concludes

>>53455138
>It says the Great Rift opened and the planet was hit with warp energy storms.

So an anomaly then

>It does not say that. When the Great Rift opened, the waves of Leviathan ceased.

Which would be the case if the system was suddenly caught in a warp storm

>The fleet disappeared.

Now this is headcanon. If you haven't noticed, there's a stretch of time there between the Great Rift doing its thing and the defenders noticing the hive fleet was gone.

By the way, what's your explanation for them not being able to see the stars if they weren't caught in some sort of anomaly/warp storm/whatever you want to call it?

>The clue for Leviathan disappearance wasn't said to be time related. It was Khorne related.

The Clue was warp related, and the warp is time related. No issue.


>We are not given a timeline for the events of GS

It's at least months, if not longer. Guilliman spent a lot of time getting his shit together, then you account for travel time and having to identify that safe corridor through the great rift.

>>53455156
If that was the case wouldn't this be a good chance for the last of them to do a heroic last stand that redeems them in the eyes of the imperium or at least there parent chapter.

>>53455159
>Nurgle makes new plague
>Tyranids eat new plague
>Tyranids are immune to the new plague

That's just how they work at a biological level. But apparently the writers forgot that at some point and now we have Tyranids dying to virus bombs because 'lol just use bugspray on the space bugs'

>>53455207
they are too melancholy. They probably thought sending 20 marines wouldn't even be worth it.

But I agree it would have been a great opportunity, even if it had been their single squad.

>>53455192
>So an anomaly then

Or just energy cracking on the planets surface.

>Which would be the case if the system was suddenly caught in a warp storm

It's not caught in a Warpstorm or else daemons would be everywhere and the fucking text would say so because the Imperials won't miss that they are suddenly in the Warp.

>Now this is headcanon.

No, it's not. Saying a time anomaly is headcanon because the text doesn't say it.

It just says that Leviathan stopped sending waves at the moment the Great Rift manifested. The Tyranids suddenly lost contact with the fleet.

>By the way, what's your explanation for them not being able to see the stars if they weren't caught in some sort of anomaly/warp storm/whatever you want to call it?

Again, where are you getting this. It's not in the text!

>The Clue was warp related

Chaos related.

>It's at least months

You don't know that.

And my guess when they give us a timeline of the events there would be no mention of any fucking time anomaly because that's dumb

>>53453840
What I like is the fact that, this time, the Flesh Tearers were the first to respond. Based loyalist berzerkers.

>>53455274
>Again, where are you getting this. It's not in the text!

>>53453637
>As the final perimeter was broken, the stars reappeared

I'm making inferences based on what we know of the Great Rift, what the text says and how long it would take Guilliman to get there

>You don't know that.

He spent weeks running around the Ultramarine sector chasing down a nurgle plague. He then spent weeks in warp transit fighting his way across the Imperium to reach Terra. He then presumably spent some time there getting his Numarines ready, and also sorting out Imperial affairs. It would also take them some time to map the great rift well enough to know there's a stable route through it. Then it would take more weeks for him to assemble his fleet from terra and get them through that passage all the way to Baal.

This isn't hard.

>And my guess when they give us a timeline of the events there would be no mention of any fucking time anomaly because that's dumb

It all lines into place perfectly. You're right about one thing though: GW won't do it, because it requires a basic understanding of their own fluff.

Chaos is the fucking cancer of warhammer. It ruined fantasy, and seems like gw will ruin 40k with it too.

>>53455246
Saying that they were too melancholy feels like a cop-out though; if they could not respond to there parent chapter sending a call to arms they must be locked into a really intense conflict that they would believe they cannot pull out of or they cannot respond due to ships being scrapped.

What was there last known reported location?

>>53454643
Yes. We are wiping out factions, Tyranids are the first on the list.

>>53455274
>>53455309
And just to clarify, my original post on the matter was >>53454743

I was bringing up a possibility of where it went. Call it headcanon if you want, but I'd trust mine over someone who didn't even read carefully enough to notice the stars were missing.

Have fun with that.

>>53455316
The thing is, it was always supposed to be the biggest threat in both universes after it was introduced, but for the longest time it was always second or third act to something else. Pre gathering shitstorm the threat list was nids at the top, then orks, then necrons, then chaos

>>53455403
There is one possibility. They belong to Khorne now.

>>53454421
I don't think any nid players expected them to win, since winning would mean the complete extinction of the blood angels and their successor chapters. But to have it end so cheaply with Khorne BTFOing the entire fleet offscreen and then Have the ultramarines swoop in and save the day yet again seems like they couldn't even cover up the fact that the new setting is all chaos vs imperium.

they couldnt even come up with something interesting, like a Bangles vs Daemons vs Nids 3 way war, with Guilliman merely sending reinforcements to help with the war effort and not showing up himself

>>53455427
>they couldnt even come up with something interesting, like a Bangles vs Daemons vs Nids 3 way war, with Guilliman merely sending reinforcements to help with the war effort and not showing up himself

But it wouldn't have been as hilarious as what we have now.

Also it's a good example of the power of Chaos to just eliminate a powerful and large Tyranid tendril as easily as a man swatting down an insect.

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>>53455371
Charging headlong into a tyranid tendril because they were on a 100 year penitence crusade and knew better than to get involved with fighting the enemies within again. Probably the same hive fleet that hit Baal. Odds are the Lamenters are dead or heard the call to arms, looked at their position, and said "we're gonna do more good here than if we head back to Baal. At least here we can be a speed bump and slow the nids down enough to buy Baal time."

Keep in mind the Blood Angels and their successors were doing this too here >>53453598

Even if the Lamenters couldn't get in contact with the Blood Angels, they probably were smart enough to know they could pull a last stand and buy their comrades some time.


>>53455246
>Melancholy

Never stopped them in the past, if anything, the worse the odds, the more likely they are to pitch in.

They're either dead or were already fighting the nids in question and couldn't disengage to get to Baal in time.

>>53455463
>But it wouldn't have been as hilarious as what we have now.
Bad writing is not hilarious by default.

And this has not been considered funny by anyone but you.

>>53453598
RIP Lamenters.

>>53453840
They probably fell to Chaos. That's GRIMDARK.

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>>53454578
>Actual Loyalists
Allow me to introduce every Salamander's worst nightmare.

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I'm almost looking forward to age of sigmar: 40k boogaloo.

>>53455807
Tyranids turn out to be from the Fantasy universe.

>>53455812
Better yet, 40k rips off Halo yet again and says that the Tyranids are the Old Ones returned after millennia hunting the Silent King.

Necrons were actually the first humans. Terra was actually founded by refugees from the Necrontyr seeking a world without the C'tan sucking their souls. The Emperor was a C'tan all along.

>>53455832
>I unironically support this.

>Ka'Bandha saves the Blood Angels
That must be the hardest hit to someone's pride in the history of humankind

>>53455877
It's because CHAOS is the only foe that matters. Expect to see the Craftworld and Dark Eldar nommed by Chaos over the next 2-3 years.

>Everything is lost
>Last stand
>Guilliman appears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHakl2bMQYI

>>53453840
No, they were reading the map backwards, they asked for directions to the wrong guy, their ship ran out of fuel, the chapter master stumbled and offed himself. They ended reaching where Cadia used to be.

>>53454421
Sorry but this leaves nobody but Ultras and Chaos happy, and they weren't even secondary characters in the story. Nids got offed off screen and BA didn't even got their vengance

The important question is what score got Dante? SSS? I want to watch the playthrough in youtube and see how curahzy that shit went.

>>53454937
Give this man a pussy

This is my problem with Ultramarines, I like some of their guys, their personality, culture and stuff, but they're always stealing the fucking spotlight. This wasn't your book, stop ruining someother's fun. Nobody likes when you, after you gave your all and suffering many loses, to get their kill ninja'ed. Nobody likes to be the unstoppable force of destruction to get killed off screen.

>>53453590
so baal isnt anymore a desert world? rather the rock 2.0 bangelino edition?

also wtf not telling who the 5 chapter masters were. is seth dead?

>>53456210
Because they're probably unnamed chapter masters. I bet you when the Guy Haley novel comes out, it'll all be chapters masters whose names we never heard of before, whose chapters have barely any fluff save a name. Except maybe Seth for drama, but I wouldn't count on him dying either.

HH depicts primarchs as demigods, as they are, but there are 18 of super special snowflakes.
You really see the awesome might of a primarch when he is alone, as Gulliman is in 40k universe, a primarch has a power to remove status quo in entire universe.

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>Biggest tyranid invasion yet
>Dwarfing both macragge and Iyanden craftworld
>Vs not just an entire space marine chapter but every damn successor chapter too and their home system
>foreshadowed the nameless king and his necron buddies helping the blood angels team up against this tremendous force.
>Instead of several books worth of stories and fluff rivaling this event that should truly be bigger than stuff like armageddon and both previous hive fleet invasions.
>it gets summed up in a couple of paragraphs where Khorne straight up DELETES the tyranid hive fleet
>and then roboat girlyman with his fucking CRUSADE just made it through the rift that was supposed to seperate the imperium into 2 just showed up with no trouble and in a timely manner to prevent any named characters from dying and handing out Chadmarines just to ensure even the blood angel players have to buy these fucking things.

I am honestly astonished that they could manage to piss all over tyranids AND blood angels this profoundly at the same time, in just a few paragraphs.

>>53456267
I'd like to say I'm more surprised that there are those who are defending this, even if they're a minority. But unfortunately neither of these things surprise me about 40k anymore.

>>53453590
Whats the source for this by the way?

>>53453649
>lets hype things up over destruction of blood angels
>it all ends up as a wet fart

Well that was a terrible piece of fluff.

How did gully go through the rift seperating the two imperiums and some how save the day?

>>53456435
because he had WARDs applied to his fleet
like seriously this shit could be good if it was written half competently
even draigo could be an interesting fan favorite character if he was written with a modicum of skill, showing a more human or tragic side
instead it's all AND THEN IT LOOKED LIKE EVERYONE WAS GOING TO DIE BUT INSTEAD CHAOS/ULTRAMARINES

>>53456257

Thats a good explanation. Only reason why it annoys people is that its Gulliman thats getting shit done.

>>53454398
It's a daemon thing - they have literally infinite time, a lot of them try their hand at hobbies - daemonic hobbies, like skull-balancing, but still hobbies - Nurgle's princes, for example, enjoy gardening and some cook/brew like their papa

>>53453649
>Khorn Demons can pop up anywhere and literally kill a huge ass hivefleet up in no time

Why hasn't Khorne wiped out everything yet?

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At least I'll still have my 8e buffs. Swarmlord statline was promising.

>>53456599
Because different writers have different ideas of the setting's powerlevels and have different endgames they're trying to force the setting into.

>>53456622
They should just get one writer who acts as editor and decided about every little piece of fluff that gets released in official GW stuff. That way they would atleast be consistent.

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>>53454937

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>>53456643
>>53456643
>They should just get one writer who acts as editor and decided about every little piece of fluff that gets released in official GW stuff.

I agree

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>>53454937
Das it

>>53456599
its not fun if you kill everything in an afternoon

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>>53453590
>>53453598
>>53453609
>>53453620
>>53453637
>>53453649
BUT THE PROPHECY SAID-
BUT SHADOWBRINK WAS-
BUT THE SHADOW IN THE WARP IS-
NO.
NO NO NO.
NO.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I AM NOT AN NPC.
I AM A HUMAN BEING.

>>53456599
Because then the blood would stop flowing. Khorne doesn't want to win, he wants endless, pointless killing.

>>53457293
YOU are a human being. But your army is one of NPCs

>actually ate a fuckload of irridiated radioactive-as-fuck biomass

Are Tyranids really that fucking retarded?

>>53454841

>Pay 500 points
>Roll possession table
>Your Patriarch is now a Nurgling

>>53455016

>Slaanesh can just turn Tyranids into cute girls because why the fuck not?

Jeanstealer demonette shlashfic incoming

>>53453590
>>53453598
>>53453620
>>53453637
>>53453649

Is 40k writing usually this bad? I have a couple of friends who keep trying to get me into the "totally awesome lore" of the game, and deriding the "BL shit" when I mentioned I had read the Cain books on recommendation and loan from another friend, but thus just seems awful. Like, awful even before the deus ex machina pullout.

>>53457683
Yes and no. I am no expert on 40k lore by any stretch of the imagination, but the quality of the fluff really varies. Sometimes it's awesome, sometimes it sucks. Basically anything written by C.S. Goto is a no-no.

The rest can be cool, but consistency is an issue.

>>53454937
The truth.

>>53453649
>>53454753
>>53453771
I thought one of Tzeench's bitch boys was obsessed with them? I vaguely recall a Marine sacrificing himself for Sang and cucking chaos forever

>>53455405
Honestly, I would've pegged tyranids, necrons, chaos, AND orks as having equal chances of coming out on top prior to all this. Very slight chance of the Imperium pulling through (basically requires all four of those factions NOT getting their 'we just need X and everything's fucked and X is about to happen' things). Eldar and Tau were fucked from the get-go really.
And I thought that was neat, overall Last part was meh, only because those factions have their own fans. Everyone has a chance, everyone is a threat regardless. But now it's just Chaos > Everyone Else.

>>53454937
>HFY garbage

No

>>53457683
Some individual storylines are good or great in BL
But when people say BL shit they mean things like 90% of the horus heresy series that remove the settings mystery with retardation and insert copious poorly written fanwank.
When people say 40K has good lore they mean its such a huge setting that there's something for everyone in it. Ciaphas Cain and guard stuff may well be your cup of tea and not theirs. It helps though that Ciaphas Cain is an example of good BL, as most of the guard stuff is, in that it actually focuses on the common, relatable human.

>>53455419
>[citation needed]

>>53457882
>chaos wank
>as if we haven't had enough
no

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>>53457959
>poorly written fanwank.
I'm not a big fan of BL at all but I find it funny that whenever the people who own a setting write something people don't like they simply dismiss it as such

>>53457882
Despite the fact that I wrote 'mankind', it also applies just as much to the nonhuman factions. So no, it's not HFY.

>>53457577
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotrophic_fungus

>>53458082
>mobile link
Phoneposters are scum.

>>53457293
>BUT THE PROPHECY SAID-
Literally no nidfag ever cared about the prophecy, carnac

your falseflagging is shit

>>53458104
well memed

>>53453840
The lamenters and red hunters are pretty much completely fucked from fighting hive fleet kraken. There's a story from the perspective of a shell-shocked guardsmen during that combat where a lamenter drop pod lands and the marines are slaughtered within seconds, it ain't looking good for them.

>>53458105
There was a prophecy?

>>53458150
Apparently some vision sanguinius had about the hive fleets coming to baal during the heresy

Who cares about that?

>>53458035
Fanwanking is when instead of writing a book to expand upon the setting or the story in interesting and meaningful ways, to entertain the reader and set up dramatic conflict, they instead use it to make their favorite guys look awesome and their least favorite look shit. It's not so much to do with the actual content of the story, but how it's told, which is why BL is such a mixed bag.
Draigo in the warp, for example, could be told as a point-of-view deal focusing on Draigo fighting to stay alive and struggling, both internally and externally, to resist the corruption of the dark gods, showing him pushed to the brink but soldiering on to the best of his abilities against seemingly impossible odds.
Instead it's just "OMG Dragio is SO powerful he can resist ALL the chaos and can live fine! in the warp because he's SO incorruptible!"

>>53453590
>Sanguinor not even mentioned
>No Necrons, despite the fact they just cooperated to take a massive chunk of the hive fleet.
>Just Spiritual Liege saving the day.

Fuck this shit.

>>53457683
40k from 1997-2007 is gold, black library included. 2007+ is hit or miss or just straight skubhammer 40k

>>53458035
The people who made the setting have all left GW. Technically all 40k is fanfiction right now unless someone comes backs. Just more "legitimate" fan fiction.

>>53458196
Well, hive fleets came to Baal. Prophecy fulfilled. Whoopdedoo.
Why would ANYONE be mad if that was all it was?
Though yeah, ten thousand year into the future prophecies are retarded.

>>53454267
That would be nice if they didn't summarize it ten sentences before going back to wank of guilliman again.

>>53458258
there was something about the sacrifice of someone who resembled his herald, which would be sanguinor

but the fuck can probably resurrect or something

>>53454937
Best post in the thread.
>>53455001
>giving chaos a weakness
Lol no.

Everyone shits on the Lamenters.

>>53458420
Are they even known for anything else? All I remember about them is that they suck at everything.

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>>53454937
>THAT is why we are the NPC race.
this

I swear people never seem to notice I try to put my tyranids into a cinematic choreography and try to pitch the units that would look cooler to fight one another

>>53457577
Cockroaches are immune to radiation.

>>53458491
They don't suck at everything
They're in the wrong place, wrong time, every single time

>>53457740
Really? I'm reading the Blood Ravens Dawn of War book and I didn't notice it being awful.

>>53458515
Which means they're getting fucked over by something worse at the moment, if needlessly throwing their lives away before twin deus ex machinas isn't the wrong place and wrong time.

>>53458905
They're probably already all dead

Yeah, nice and all of that, but how would Guilliman react when he discovers BA genetic flaws?

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Damn. Did even the Squats get fucked that hard?

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>>53457293
>Nidfags becoming the new Gilfags

>>53455832
This would unironically be pretty cool imo, but I have shit taste

>>53458491
Aside from their bad luck they're known as on of the most selfless and compassionate chapters. They're one of the straight-up good guy marine chapters along with a handful of others.

>>53458223
Eh. That's some serious selective memory. CS Goto was a thing. It's always been somewhat uneven.

>>53453882
wonderful, then we can get Age of Guilliman faster, with Guillimarines, Aeldari™, Orruks™, Ta'u™, Nucrions™ and Zerganids™

>>53460412

Don't forget Astral Militarium™ and Militarum Tempestus Symposium™

>>53460412
I think they can already trademark Tyranids actually

>>53460412
>leaving out Drew Careys

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>>53460455
>Militarum Tempestus Symposium

>>53454623
Actualy doombreed is the strongest bloodthirster But its still a massive deus ex machina gw pulled on the nids to have both have the chadmarines show up and khorne deamons at the correct time to save the blood angels.

>>53460751
>Actualy doombreed is the strongest bloodthirster

Doombreed is a daemon prince.

>>53458138
Fanfic or official? I haven't heard of any non FW lore for Lamenters in a while

>>53460801
Is he?.

>>53460935
Yes.

>>53454937
Yup. This is it to a tee. My brother and I play Nids and Bangles respectively, and neither of us are happy. We both just got to watch our factions look like fucking losers to cap off an event that's been in the making for years.

>>53460961
Well shit.. i misread it.

>>53458511
No, they're not.
Actually cockroaches aren't even in the top 50 when it comes to radiation resistance in insects. Neither are Turks

How do you pronounce Trazyn?

I've been saying Tray-zinn for years, but now that I think about it, you could say it Trah-zinn, Trah-zeen, or a few different ways.

>>53461152
Trah-zin

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>>53460891
Official. Had to do some googling to find the name - turned out I still have it saved.

GRIMDARK

>>53453649
girlyman confirmed mary sue, gonna one-hit draigo next

>>53453950
>Why are people getting so upset ?
this is what timelines do to your playerbade, as GW -no doubt- will soon find out the hard way

>surprised GW had to unfuck their money makers position so they can get nu-Marines

You guys are retards. I saw this coming.

>>53463173
Nobody is surprised that the Tyranids lost.
It's the manner that they lost that is annoying. And that the entire thing is resolved in a small bit in the core rulebook.

>>53463388
I doubt it is all we'll get. We'll get a novel.

>>53453649
>let's cram Robert into absolutely everything

I like the Nids getting BTFO but this shit reminds me why I stopped caring about 40k fluff ages ago. Fanfiction and fanwank like what'd you see on Deviantart.

>>53463473
>why is the only Loyalist Primarch being involved and making it fluffy for the money making chapters to get Primaris Marines

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>>53453748

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I don't even know what I should be feeling. I simply hate everything about this even and what's been happenign recently, but there's other people who are loving it and I start thinking that it's just that I have bad taste.

Am I afraid of change? For years I thought I wanted plot progression but when I got it I hated it and wwanted to go back to the status quo.

Maybe I'm just butthurt over Ultramarines? The mere mention of Guilliman pisses me off, I can't help but feel angry over the Blood Angels getting trashed so he could come and save them with his crusade, and I can't help but curse Matt Ward's name as if he were the only one responsible which he obviousy isn't.

Am I just pissed that non Imperium/Chaos factions are getting shafted? Seeing this Tyranid plot get cut short so we can move on to the main stuff while the faction that actually got decimated fighting them got nothing out of it.

I think, most of all, I'm scared because I'm also a Fantasyfag and this entire thing is looking all too familiar.

>>53461384
appreciate it, surprised I never heard about this. It's a good little read

>>53464004
>compelling narrative

This can't be what chaosfags believe, right?

>>53453649
>Khorne wins again
He can't keep doing it.

I fucking swear, if they pull some bullshit like this with octavius, I may just give up on new warhammer fluff as a whole.

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>>53454937
I like this anon. This anon is my friend now.

>>53457963
The symbol of Khorne that the kidnappers left behind.

>>53453725
Jobbing beyond jobbing, you're a pawn jobber race.
GG.

>>53453950
I took it as they got fucked up by the warp storm, then finished off by Chaos.

Two words: Iron Cage

>>53454688
>I actually haven't seen any whining from Nid players, apart from them complaining how stupid the whole thing is. After all, how can you be upset when a fucking tendril of tyranids requires ALL the blood angels, Ultramarines plus their living primarch, all the new blood angels Primaris marines, a time-delaying warp-rift so they all arrive on time, Daemonic reinforcements to kill the rest of it, AND a special Daemons character to solo all the ones on the moon?

I feel sorry for nids, because they obviously weren't gonna win this, but they also never get to win anything.
"SUPER MASSIVE THREAT!!!" that threatens but never achieves anything. At least Chaos get to occasionally look successful, obv Imperials always do, even Deldar get a pass as they mostly just get involved for shits and giggles (and more slaves).

I can't think of nids actually achieving anything beyond a no name planet.

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>>53453649
>BA preoccupied with Ka'bandha again

>>53463420
The resolution is known, though.
Even if the novel isn't poorly written to boot, the way people found out was a few paragraphs well in advance of it.

Hopefully the novel will make the ending seem less shit, at least.

>>53465656

I wanted a campaign focus on them. I wanted Blood Angels pushed to the brink. I wanted Sanguinius to pop out of his crypt as an immortal angel after 10k years of being only the second most revered figure in the whole Imperium.

This shit was robbery.

>>53464310
The only thing you have bad taste for is wanting the plot to progress. It's a setting, not a story. It's a sandbox for you to make your own stories and play games in. It was designed to be that way but with each edition they've moved away more and more from the creative side of the hobby and game and more towards playing with pre-approved marketable figures. It sucks.

The new direction and super super soldiers are stupid when grey knights (and other space marines but better! concepts) already exist.

>>53464004
>This is what Chaosbots actually believe
No wonder the Emperor didn't want you.

>>53454817

In the genestealer codex, they mention Genestealer cultists turning to Nurgle

>>53466642
Same, I was hoping that the we'd be hearing stuff from the Dark Imperium over the next year or so or such, where Guilliman begins to believe his brother's body was lost forever and his chapters and their long history gone. Then the next thing that happens is we have the rift split to see the return of Sanguine as a god like figure. Basically taking a direct shit on the Imperial Truth and saying he is a god or angel of the God-Emperor.

>>53456267
This 100%

>>53456288

The defense for this is space time shenanigans allow it to happen. Which is still awful.

>>53467306
>yfw Sanguinor merges with Sanguinius's soul and becomes reborn as Sanguinius

>>53454937
Hopefully adding to this anon, I don't even mind chaos and nids duking it out, scale could have been written better though, but it would have been so much better if the BA forces cleared the remainder of nids moon themselves taking the cut off from the hive fleet as second wind, then rowboat shows up with his primaris marines finding beaten battered but victorious BA, that way the two primary factions don't really get cucked and geedubs still gets to insert their new shiny marines

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>>53454356
he could go around the eastern fringe

>>53457683
Biggest thing I've found is GW cannot into scale, a lot of the stories focusing on the few big names while the background large scale action is a blurred flurry ends up better than the stories/fluff that is meant to focus on the large scale shit

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Okay what if the Tau's lost Fourth Sphere Fleet materialised above Baal and they (with or without Girlyman's crusade) helped the Blood Angels defeat the Tyranid fleet? The Tau and Imperials would forge an alliance afterwards to pacify/cleanse the Dark Imperium.

Would this make it better?

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i dont know if i want to cry or laugh
an entire hive fleet just deleted?
or was it just one tendril of leviathan?
someone please tell me everything will be ok
i need a hug

>>53453649

>After many more battles, Baal was finally cleared of the xenos threat.

I don't know how to say this without sounding facetious or bitter but...

This literally reads like a child wrote it.

>And then Ironman had lots of fights but New York was finally cleared of the bad guys

>And then Sonic had many more fights but Green Hill Zone was finally cleared of Robotnik bots

Is it just me?

I don't even collect Nids...

>>53458035

Sure but when writers decide to not write an interesting, objective, fair story full of ups, downs heroics and some such and instead write some ridiculous power fantasy,tabletop power level x 99999 for the faction or chapter they just happen to collect...

The writer of the Flesh Tearers books is in the WHTV and just happens to own tens of thousands of points of Flesh Tearers and the books are dross and funnily enough it's the Flesh Tearers pulling Deus Ex Machinas out of their asses and annihilating everything out of their way.

It's published fanfiction

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>>53469366
>please tell me everything will be ok

>>53454153
More like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cu0KOzunpI

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>>53454937

>>53469366
>someone please tell me everything will be ok
just like in comic books or in doctor who, nothing ever changes. it's all just the illusion of change

>>53453598
>Knights of blood show up.
How sweet!

>Ka'Bandha helped
What did he mean by this?

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>>53453590
Devestation of Baal, more like devestation of my ass!
Hahahahaha
kill me

>>53469825
Also *devastation of my grammar, apparently.

>>53457882
same

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>>53453590

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>>53466642
>get 2 book campaign for the prologue to this war
>actual war resolved in a sidebar of text and a shitty BL novel

I stood for endtimes. I stood for age of sigmar. I even stood for Gathering Storm. But this shit? This shit is inexcusable. If they pull something like this on the Orks of Armageddon (and then a warp storm came and suddenly Angron BTFO the second largest WAAAGH in history! More Khorne vs imperium!) or on Octaria, I'm completely done with this setting. At least I don't actually play the game and only invested a few shekels on BL fanfic

>>53455133
If the nids win then there will be no emotions to create the warp and all deamons and gods will become powerless.

>>53454937
Yeah.
The Battle of Macragge was epic, if too well defended.
We'd need something like that combined with the Fall of Cadia for Baal.
Let them win, but the entire system being way too fucked up as a result.

>>53453714
Chaos is <3

>>53453811
This, it started off cool (sort of, even though there was fuck all detail or anything gritty or meaty) but instead of something interesting happening to drive the nids away

>GUILLIMAN SHOWS UP WITH ALL THE COOL NEW PRIMARIS MARINES
>1 Bloodthirster kills 50% of the entire hive fleet leviathan

Horrendous ass pull

>>53454152
Leviathan is significantly and has way more experience

>>53458301
This, give us some pages of detailed fluff describing how horrendous and horrifying the hive fleet is and how they were washing over the planet and tearing down chapters... don't give us a 2 sentence explanation then hand-wave it away

>>53469657
>published fanfiction
That's just called fiction, you twat.

>>53469608
This, the whole thing was written with such little enthusiasm

>Everyone came to help
>Too many bad guys
>5 chapter masters died lol
>Then guilliman came and killed the bad guys
>Super demon killed everyone else
>Then even though it was really bad, everything was ok cause they all killed more and rebuilt everything and lived happily ever after

>Five chapter masters died. Three of them died in the same battle. Doesn't that sound cool to read?
Yes. Yes it does. Can we?
>Nope.
Were they important?
>Nope.
Do the Blood Angels win some kind of Pyrrhic victory.
>Nope.
What happens, then?
>We aren't going to tell you. The warp shows up, then NOBODY KNOWS... Then Guilliman and the new Primaris Marines, Available June 2nd for purchase and up for preorder now save the day.
Can we at least read about that?
>Nope. Also we lied. Ka'Bandha is the one who killed all the nids.
Can we have some details on that?
>Nope.

I really wish they at least left this fluff at a cliffhanger, maybe right when the warp storm hits and Baal is cut off. Up until that point things go pretty much exactly as we thought they would. At least that way we wouldn't get the full story until later, and the ending might be better explained and make more sense.

I also really hope it turns out that the Tyranid fleet was just displaced in the warp the same way the Tau were in a convenient way to have them pop up somewhere they normally wouldn't be. And that the Khorne daemons just slew all the Tyranids on the other moon and not the ENTIRE FUCKING TENDRIL.

>>53470859
We will get a full novel later and both of their codices should go more in depth. That's just the basic sidebar version of it that pretty much every battle in 40k has. For example, the sidebar version of shadowbrink is basically "tyranids invade an imperial world defended by grey knights and unknowingly unleash a daemonic incirsion." It says absolutely nothing about daemons getting BTFO. Wait for the full version of the story to come out.


Also, I'm imagining your post going like this scene: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5kxaCcVIaFc

>>53470899
That scene was EXACTLY the vibe I was going for. Hahaha.

More to the point, like this anon said: >>53470864
Just leave it a cliffhanger. Rather than pre-emptively ruin the ending of whatever half-assed novel we're getting, just leave it a god damn cliffhanger.

>>53454421

Blood Angels and Ultramarines have both been decimated by the 'nids in the past. In both cases, the damage lasted like a week before GW writers forgot about it. No reason to believe this time will be any different.

And the real crux of the issue here is that in a fight between the Blood Angels and the Tyranids, the winner should not be the Ultramarines.

>>53470943
>between the Blood Angels and the Tyranids, the winner should not be the Ultramarines
But that's not right. Blood Angels fought Tyranids, the Ultramarines came to the rescue, and somehow Ka'Bhanda won...

>>53454837
Chaos just lolnoping the Shadow in the Warp is the second worst part of this, right after Ultramarines stealing the victory.

>>53469169
As an alternative to Guilliman's fleet that would be better, but still shit. Just let the Blood Angels and 'nids fight each other. That's what they've been building up to for years now, we don't need a Shyamalan twist of some other factions swooping in at the last moment, just let the cataclysmic confrontation actually happen.

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>post yfw when xenofags

Actually, this is pretty shit and if this is the future of 40K lore (plotdevices from chaos) then things are pretty shitty.

>>53464004
>compelling narrative
how well did that work out for WHFB?

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>getting rescued by girlyman
>not asking your best buds, Zarathusa and Anrakyr to help out instead.

Shameful Bangels, Shameful.

>>53471786
I thought the same!
WHERE IS MY NECRON BANGELS BROS 4 LIFE META

>>53470975
Does anyone have the Dorn pick which says the Ultramarines were not invited?

>>53453590
>>53453598
>>53453620
>>53453637
>>53453649
I'm calling it now. The 4th war for Armageddon will end the same way with Girlyman and his chads swooping down on Angron

>>53453649
It's the Iron Cage all over again

>t'au 4th sphere
>leviathan
>comorragh
>whatever that got eatan directly by the great rift

Fuck! They are slowly moving all the factions inside warp. It's the fucking realmgates all over again! Sigmarization will just ramp up over this edition. Prepare for the last stand of IoM until everything is absorbed by the warp.

>>53472239
>Yarrick and Ghazzie has their friendly spat
>Ghazzie gets the upper hand and just when he was about to rip Yarrick's head off out of fucking nowhere Angron appears to pimpslap Ghazzie
>huge ass Khornate daemonhost appears and start slaughtering orks and imperials alike
>Angron and Ghazskull fighting 1v1 and their fight is broken up by the arrival of Rawbutt Girlyman and his Primaris™ Space Marines™
>Girlyman sends Angron packing back into the warp with his plot armor and in the battle Ghazskull pulls a Gorgutz and legs it because he knew he could never beat the Emperor's finest Primarch
>once again the day is saved thanks to Robot Gorillaman and the Primaris™ Space Marines™ of the Ultramarines™ chapter

>>53471129
I challenge you to find me one Warhammer book, fantasy or 40k that doesn't have some asspull twist as the conflict's resolution. It's every GW writer's only literary tool.

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>>53470120
>I stood for endtimes. I stood for age of sigmar. I even stood for Gathering Storm.

>Rowboat shows up in the hour of need instead of the Sanguinor

Yeah, fuck you

>>53470120
How do you know if it's shitty when it hasn't even been released yet?

>>53472094
>>53471786
As a tyranid player, I would much rather have had my butt kicked by the combined forces of the Bangels and the nameless king than GW just deleting us with a lolsorandom warp storm
Despite the fact that you know, tyranids have flown directly through warp storms in the past and not given a shit.

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>>53472431
>>53472476

>>53454010
>>53453817

Some Knights of Blood count as bangles, some count as CSM.

>>53470120
>I stood for endtimes. I stood for age of sigmar. I even stood for Gathering Storm.
It is the future you chose

>>53455016
>skulls and ichor fuel Khornates just fine despite past fluff saying they did nothing for him

The Shadow in the Warp making warp stuff stutter doesn't mean tyranids don't work for Khorne.

>Yesterday I was shitty
>Today I know that I'm just shit

>>53474077
but the explicit lines of text saying that a battle against the tyranids has nothing to offer to the chaos gods do

>>53474180
Khorne has very different priorities than the chaos gods as a whole. They are focused on warp stuff, Khorne is focused on killing. Khorne draws great power from all the races killing in the galaxy, and that means that every ork and tyranid warrior empowers Khorne. Its why he's #1. Its important to know your fluff!

Always remember Khorne is the god of war violence and bloodshed, not "the god of war and bloodshed inasmuch as it involves normal humanoid races engaging in melee combat" like revisionist types on /tg/ would tell you.

>>53453748
>only imperium and chaos matter.

Yes, only the Imperium & Chaos have ever mattered: killing the Emperor automatically marines Chaos wins, no matter who does it. This fluff isn't new. This is part of why the Eldar help the Imperium from time to time, because they know the destruction of mankind means their own annihilation, guaranteed.

>>53474456
The theory that Khorne could only gain power from the slaying and emotions of beings that had proper souls would've definitely worked in the fluff not too long ago, since in the end it's psychic reflections that empowered the Chaos Gods, you couldn't smash a combine harvester with a basic machine spirit and feed Khorne off its death because it has nothing to give the Warp upon death.

Tyranids, therefore, would likely not produce nearly as much sustenance for Khorne as, say, combat with Humans, same for Tau.

Of course, nobody knows what Chaos is today, what with it's lack of needing the mortal races of the galaxy to sustain itself and the like, so it's a safe bet that yeah, Khorne has some beef with the Tyranids that he doesn't really mind.

>>53474555

Cadia's fall more or less changed the way the galaxy works. Chaos can be anywhere now. Daemons aren't as dependent on the actions of mortals in the materium anymore.

>>53453649
NPC race gets whacked again!

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>>53461384

Holy SHIT I haven't read this since high school.

This is actually the most terrifying 'nid-related story next to the schoolhouse bit in Warriors of Ultramar.

I dunno, seeing Astartes and guardsmen slaughtered by the thousands is fine for me, but with innocent civilians it's egh.

Makes me hate the bugs even more

So now what? Is there no Baal theater of war? Have the tyranids been completely wiped out or is it still BA vs Nids for the foreseeable future + Primaris?

>>53474456
>They are focused on warp stuff
You said it yourself, it's not the literal bloodshed that empowers khorne but the warp energies shaped by said bloodshed which is why on shadowbrink the tyranids weren't feeding the gods while in other instances like in the daemonkin book the presence of mortal witnessers and agents produced warp energies shaping warp energies from their perception of the bloodshed.

ultimately khorne would be way more pleased by another race fighting guys than tyranids.

>>53464310
You're probably upset because the abandonded dozens of teasers by decent to good writers just for nu-gw to create their own oc-donut-steel content instead which doesn't look as promising

>>53469963
Was it really worth the effort?