EDH/Commander General

>>53450385
>thread question
Nekusar

Thankfully, I've added Words of Worship to my Blaxos Deck

are there any pros to running tolsimir wolfsblood over rhys other than that there's a 15 dollar difference?

Is Kruphix a fun 75% Simic goodstuff general? How do you win?

>>53450507
style points

>>53450541
Helix Pinnacle is a fun wincon for Kruphix. There's always entwined T&N into dumb Timmy shit to swing for game. Big ass hydras, deck someone out with BSZ, you've got a few choices.

>>53450507
Tolsimir is usually easier to get back into a good position after a boardwipe, since you're already using efficient creatures.

>>53450440
As a guy with a Nekusar deck I PRAY some of my friends don't find out this card exists lol

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What am I missing from this shitty deck

I wanna slap people with animated lands, and occasionally land a mass polymorph into all the big stupid fatties I have on the side.

Am I missing anything juicy? Any good anthems or similar?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/21-05-17-treva/

I seldom play UG anything, so this is uncharted territory. I'm a Gruul man, and the lack of red fucks with me.

>>53450385
There are two
That guy 1 plays
>maelstrom wanderer
>endless cascade with foodchain so his turns take like 20 minutes
>except that he has no real win cons and it never goes infinite so it just durdles into a very slow and weak win by damage and extra turns
>game takes so long and barely get to play
>coordinator always looks like he hates his life
That guy 2
>hapatra, vizier of SNAKESSSSS
>not even a good deck
>dude is ugly, gross, smells bad, awkward and condescending
>he cheats often
>has so much going on his battlefield can't be bothered to correct him or call him out because snakessssss
>I want to minimize my time near this disgusting person

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When will Wizards ever make monocolor partners a thing? I whipped up some shitty cycles in the meantime, I like how some of them came out but some are just lackluster or copies of existing cards.

Pick two you'd build a deck around.

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Is Keldon Firebombers MLD? Would you get upset if it was played against you?

Related: What should I cut from this deck to make room for Keldon Firebombers?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-10-16-marchesa-the-black-rose/

I'm running Bant enchantress, but have been considering using the Fab Greeks to add red. Aby suggestions for good red enchantments? I think Wild Research is pretty wild as repeatable enchantment tutoring, but can't find much else worth running.

Are there any shenanigans you can do with Clues? Like stuff that triggers off of saccing artifacts, or artifacts ETB'ing, etc... Anything funky, like making them into creatures or just benefitting off of having so many artifacts etc.

>>53450860
>The Steel Emperor
>3W: Search your library for an enchantment or equipment card.
And do what with it? Put it in your hand? Put it onto a graveyard under an opponent's control? Put it into your graveyard? Eat it?
Or just plain leave it where it is after searching for it?
also
>does not shuffle your library afterwards

>>53450860
Hermit + deathseeker

I don't like the partner commanders, the planes Walker commanders, or the commanders that have a passive command zone effect like oloro.

>>53450860
I'd run Steel Emperor just to search my library for equipment and make sure they are still there.

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I'm bored. I'm gonna build a Nissa go big or go home ramp deck with a slight subtheme of Nissa

>>53450876
YES FUCK YOUUUUU

jk, it's acceptable, feel free to use it, but I must admit, I'd try to zero ur life after that if I given the chance

>>53450876
don't forget Bearer of the Heavens

i'd say trinket mage

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Anyone have some spicy recommendations for a boros deck with bassandra at the helm?

>>53450963
Caltrops.

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>>53450963
pic related with Breath of Fury is kinda neat, it can keep going as long as you have a way to pay for his ability and extra creatures to connect with

best part is that no one can cast in response to using his ability

>>53450963
Deflecting Palm
Sunforger
A different color combination.

>>53451067
sunforger doesn't let you cast through Basandra's ability friendo

Is there any good reason why Leovold is banned but Zur is allowed to stay?
Zur is no less or more powerful then Leovold and both should be banned as they are unfun, generic, oppressively good decks that ruin every game of EDH they are/were played at even if they dont win
Every game with Zur revolves around the dumbass boots and one swing to grab Necropotence, then slapping that retarded phasing enchantment on him and dominating the game from there.

>>53450622
am i retarded? I always had tokens in mind for tolsimir

>>53451067
>a different color combination
What do you play? Jund?

>>53451136
Every commander you play should at a bear minimum have blue in it, and ideally also green. Otherwise you're asking to fall behind and lose in a multiplayer format that often goes long.

>>53450898
Cards with improvise? Tapping won't prevent you from saccing them later.

>>53450951
Bearer of the heavens costs way too much mana for me, same reason I took out my foil insurrection.

I would agree with trinket mage if I didn't have a mana crypt, between being twice as good as wood elves and getting me Skullclamp it's too hard to cut. I have never been unhappy to draw it.

>play sofaf in 1v1 on my turn 3
>opponent chaos warps it to pump his shu yun and keep me from untapping my lands
>turn 3 avacyn
>ggwp
Is chaos warp the best card in mtg?

>>53451175
While you make a solid point about boros having shit card advantage, people wanna play their cards. Skull clamps a good card for boots with its ability to tutor equipment and weenie tokens but that's about all I can think up for card engines in that color. Even then that's all I can think up.

>>53450963
Play archangel avacyn. splinter twin on avacyn is pretty fun with jokulhaups and planeswalkers.

>>53450385

>Playing EDH at your LGS with randoms and not with a group of friends.

No that guy if you don't subject yourself to LGS nonsense.

is there any interesting way at all to build a maralen deck?

>>53451175

You sound like a tryhard, and should probably just stick to playing 1v1

>>53451175
>simicbabby
Enjoy your lack of permanent board wipes

>>53451054
Except you don't need that guy to get the Breath back.
The Breath itself says right on it that you just flat attach it to a new creature. And since it's attached to a creature both before and after the ability resolves (state-based actions such as putting auras into gys when unattached only happen before and after things resolve, not during resolution), it never leaves the battlefield in the first place unless you sac your last creature.

>>53451311
It's kind of shitty in 1v1 because if you accidentally get a bomb, you pretty much lost. In multiplayer if you give someone an Avacyn there'll be other people to handle it, or at least multiple people that the Avacyn player will have to kill and/or worry about getting killed by.

>>53450385
>What deck does "That Guy" plays at your LGS, and why do you hate it?

No LGS, but That Guy always plays some sort of infinite combo, lately Protean Hulk into Mike and Trike. Unfortunately in addition to being a douche he's actually a good player otherwise, so he's excellent at reading boardstate so he knows when to play it so nobody has an answer. It's extremely annoying, and I'm one more loss away from building a super hate deck just to fuck with him.

I'll admit, part of the problem is most of my playgroup leans to the Johnny/Timmy side of things, rather than Spike like this jackass. He really needs to build decks closer to the power level the group, rather than being a bastard.

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Any spicy cards for golgari graveyard fun?

>>53451477
Maralen for Ob Nixilis

>>53450385
>What deck does "That Guy" plays at your LGS, and why do you hate it?

I don't play in our store, but our local group's That Guy played a Riku-bounce deck for infinite ramp and turns. He got very salty when Primeval Titan and Sylvan Primordial got banned. Now he mostly sits on his Purphoros deck and gets mad when we won't let him cast Purphoros.

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>>53451780
Best thing to sac to Jarad.

>>53450963
>best art
>worst color combination
>the second worst commander in that color combination

>>53451092
dont forget narset

>>53451092
To judge whether a commander should be banned or not, consider how it plays in casual/75%. Zur can easily be built as pillowfort/enchantress or voltron and still be fair.

With Braids, Emrakul, Erayo, Griselbrand, Leovold and Rofellos it's practically impossible to build them fair aside from completely ignoring their abilities and/or not even casting them.

I have a potentially stupid question: If a player only has 1 card left in their library (no LabMan out), and you play something like Ancestral Vision targeting that player, do they lose for attempting to draw more than 1 card?

>>53451963
104.3c If a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, and then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)

>>53450898
Clock of Omens

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>>53451780
>not pic related

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>>53450385
>tfw no That Guy in my group
Shit, I really hope it's not me.

Best waifu commander that's good besides Breya?

>>53452411
A rope

>>53452411
Saffi

>>53452411
avacyn, kalemne, and mizzix.

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>>53452411
Sydri, Saffi, Damia, Hanna, or [insert angel here]

>>53452449
This or Ashling.

>>53452411

Mimeoplasm can be all your waifus at the same time.

Also, Rashmi.

>>53452411
Selvala, Radha if you're into rough sex.

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>>53452411

>>53450385
>What deck does "That Guy" plays at your LGS, and why do you hate it?
playing at an LGS is for plebs

are the leyline cards playable in edh? was looking at lifeforce for anafenza but i already have dromoka and the cat snek

>>53453008
You probably don't need it unless you really have a problem with shit getting countered. Leylines in general are alright in EDH though, since they're relatively not too horribly costed even without them being in your opening hand.

>>53453008
Leylines are fucking great. I have two leylines of anticipation and a leyline of sanctity and I wouldnt sell them for anything.

>>53453008
The Leyline that makes all nonlands into legends is great against token decks.

>>53453119

I'll give you 50 grand and a blowjob from 2002 Jessica Alba.

>>53453170
>Half a candy bar and some 3dpd

I know I wouldn't give mine up for that

>>53453306
Hilarious.

I bet you'd trade me one for a surgical extraction or a sock full of nickles and a half eaten orange.

>>53452411

Meren-chan~

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>>53450385

Everyone at my LGS is "That Guy"

Someone either stax the table out in a long drawn game by turn 3, or they have the combo ready by turn 3-4.

Every commander I see and play with is Tier 2 and upper, and they most have spent over a thousand on their most optimized deck.

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>He doesn't play mono red

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Rate my deck http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pheldrawdagrif/

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>mfw I found a bunch of jap 2016 EDH decks at my local Wal-Mart

I know foreign cards don't really have value but they're at MSRP so would it be worth it?

>>53453435

They're legal, and each card is worth most of it's price. So it's fine?

I don't like them being in forgein because I can't understand them and get mixed up with the rules.

My LGS has them in Portuguese, Spanish, English and Japanase. Nobody buys the Portuguese and Japanase ones though. They even have Atraxa and Breya at MSRP

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>>53451780

>>53453414
Your land count is low and the only ramp you have in your deck is Sol ring and commanders sphere. Fix that shit.

I am not going to bother with anything more technical because if I try to help improve your wincons or some shit you will bitch that it's too spiky for your group hug deck.

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>playan new Borborygmos Enraged deck
>no one touches me because 8CMC commander that takes a thousands years to get online
>take an enormous steamy shit on everyone by slam-dunking lands down their throats

This will never work again but oh my GOD did it feel phenomenal

>>53453495
Only really poses as a group hug deck I'll listen to any suggestions as its just made from spare cards I had.

>>53450541
I use him with Doubling Cube and then Psychosis Crawler + Prosperity. Hurricane and Borrowing the East Wind (yeah, I bought one for the deck) also work if you don't mind half or totally wrecking yourself as well.

>>53450898
Tezzeret can make then into 5/5s

>>53453414
Get rid of all your oath of druids/tempting wurm style cards, you don't have any way to to really benefit from them. If you want to play this kind of deck without handing your opponents the game you need to be able to break parity on the group hug cards, so take out any and all that don't benefit you more than the rest of the table.

Gwafa is straight up bad, since removal on him means your opponents draw cards with no downside to them.

You have so much symmetrical card draw and almost no ramp. Your opponents will be benefiting from the extra cards way more than you. Rule of law style effects can tilt things back in your favor.

>>53453711
Ok I'll look for replacements thanks for the suggestions

>>53453711
>>53453736
Made a few changes how do the Advocates look. I liked how they played in the one game I tested the deck in let me get alot of the politics in my favor.

>>53453499
I've got a Bory deck too and it's pretty much confirmed if I ever get him on the field, the game is over
Life of the Loam should be banned, it's so filthy

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>>53451175
Lmao look at this tryhard simicfag.
Few thing I enjoy more than stealing your broken boardstate and smacking you with it.

alright how many creatures are too many? I'm trying to build tolsimir and i got 36 so far.. and only 16 of them counts as both green and white.

>>53450385
the control player with the deck that's engineered to stall the game out as long as possible to abuse the point system

>>53454420
Its all about land count and fixing. If your deck is based on etb creatures it could work.

>>53454549
>tfw not apart of a league
I'd like to join one after I finish my Sygg deck.

>>53453388
That's not "That Guy" though, that's just playing optimally.

>>53454391
Have fun getting all of your shit countered or copied. Simic or GUx is the most fun color combo.

>>53450898
I've used them to feed to stuff like Possessed Portal or Smokestack before. Tireless Tracker is really the only card I use that makes them though, due to it being repeatable and decent card advantage in a pinch.

>>53454909
This.

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>>53454940

You sound like the sort of retard who likes to pubstomp with UGx and has no idea why those colors are actually good at more competitive tables.

>>53453414


Maybe look at cutting your counterspells that cost 3 or more mana, replace them with stuff like Arcane Denial, Counterspell & negate. Maybe look at a few cards like Windfall or Jace's Archivist. Add more personal mana ramp, things like Signets, Nature's Lore etc to help you use all the cards you will be drawing. Forced Fruition seems great for what you're doing here, maybe Patron of the Moon?

Sorry my advice is sort of all over the place, but it's midnight and I'm pretty out of it.

I am like, pretty brand new to MTG. Decided to pick it up with some friends, seems to be fun so I want to buy sleeves. Any recommendations on sleeves?

>>53453388
If everyone at your LGS is "that guy" then you're the odd one out. Either adapt or find a different store.

>>53455302
Dragon shields

Stay away from ultra pro at all costs

Do not get sleeves with art on the back

You can buy perfect fits for 5$ more if you don't want to worry about someone spilling beer on the table too

>>53455302
Dragon Shield mattes. You get like 104 so they're perfect for an EDH deck.

>>53455302
Ultra pro eclipse sleeves shit on everything. Dragon shield, kmc, and legion all suck compared to eclipse sleeves, but anything is better than regular ultra pros.

>>53455348

Those Eclipse sleeves are amazing, I was skeptical because Ultra Pro is usually shit but damn they are nice.

Dragon Shields and KMC Hyper Mattes are great.

Like everyone else said, sleeves with art on them are shit.

>non-pass user posting goes down
At last, as the last one left I can win all of the arguments against you poorfags.

The Ur-Dragon is overcosted and weak, Alesha is low-tier and samey, multiplayer EDH should switch to the MTGO banlist, Ashling is the best commander, people who play Storm in multiplayer are assholes, UG goodstuff isn't actually good but it's annoying to play against, there's nothing wrong with MLD or various hard locks, bad combo decks aren't actually good you guys just suck, competitive EDH is actually fun give it a try sometime, Boros has some interesting angles to play even if they aren't particularly great, O-Kagachi is a huge flavor fail, Ramos looks like it came from Ravnica, BG(x) decks are a blight upon our world.

I've got more but those are my big ones right now.

>>53455569

You're absolutely right on all accounts.

>>53450385

My group doesn't really have a That Guy, per se, but of the people that get together regularly enough, I'm the one that actually takes time to create lists, get feedback, and order singles while everyone else generally builds decks with what they have and then orders a few things to round them out, so I guess I'm "That Guy." The deck I have that everyone hates is my Boros deck actually, because once Aurelia is online she usually one-shots someone.

>>53455595
>people not holding up removal for the turn you cast aurelia
kek shit group 2bqh

>>53455569
i was with you until the last one. fuck you BGx is based.

>>53450385
He plays several decks and all are really powerful and really terrible to play against.
He plays a Zada deck, where he just a few turns into the game triggers his combo, draws his entire deck and kills everyone.
He plays a Rakdos decks where he cheats Eldrazi on the board early in the game and just kills everyone.
He plays a Yeva deck, where he he plays creatures at the end of every other player's turns. At some point he draws his entire deck, floods the battlefield with creatures and kills everyone.
I have no idea why anyone would play this way. How can you enjoy this?

>>53456170
>really powerful
>zada
>rakdos
>Yeva
Holy shit get a clue, those are all trash tier.

What some "crutch" cards for bad deckbuilders with more money/netdecking than brains?
I'll list some

>Mana Crypt, Sol Ring and company
>Expropriate
>Tooth and Nail
>Paradox Engine
>Consecrated Sphinx
>Cyclonic Rift

Getting sick and tired of seeing people with terrible and uncreative deckbuilding skills get massive swings of power randomly because of cards that have broken interactions with the commander format

>>53456252
From Storm to Stax to generic Midrange to Aggro to Combo there's no reason to not run Sol Ring and Mana Crypt.

The rest of those are all powerful cards in casual that probably belong in every deck with the exception of Paradox Engine which is just amazing and belongs in multiple competitive lists.

Learn what a crutch is.

>>53456252
Sounds like you're bad and salty that your awful deck loses a lot, but hey, at least it's an original donut steal.

>>53451672
He's more of an outlet to facilitate putting Breath into play if you pitch it to one of your loot spells/discards or to reuse once lost/countered

>>53456225
To be fair, Rakdos and Yeva are very pubstomp-friendly. Retards that don't save removal to kill Yeva before he gets to untap or aren't prepared for the stupidly telegraphed Rakdos interactions will eat shit hard.

>>53455569
>UG goodstuff isn't actually good
>BG(x) decks are a blight upon our world
Ya dun goofed
Segunda is inherently easier to beat than Prima, every single time.

>>53456170
Wow, all of those decks are really low power.
Ever considered running a removal spell or boardwipe in your craw wurm deck?

You're luke the dude who puts together a tribal warrior/human deck using draft chaff with zero synergy

>>53456170
>Zada, Rakdos and Yeva
>really terrible to play
pfffff

Guys I'm making a Skithiryx deck to prove my friends I can be a dickhead when I want to. I'm a little unsure how to build it though.

I feel like I want to do either

>full retard damage skithiryx
>literally entire deck based around equipments, ramp and combat tricks so I can kill 1 player by turn 3-5

or

>controlly skithiryx
>ramp up to a big mana pool of about 10-12 asap, cast board wipes, mass discards and other mass removals to keep myself safe, then use skithiryx to kill people when they're out of resources

here's what i'm working with right now

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/internet-hate-machine-1/

I've also been thinking of a Nath deck to grief my friends with but perhaps that's a story for another day

>>53456728
Does your playgroup run removal? If so you're going to have a bad time.

>>53456747
some, but it's not a "don't cast anything because it'll get countered anyway" meta. they rarely leave their mana untapped though

that's basically why i'm leaning towards the latter kind of deck. they can't cast removal if they've discarded all of it.

>>53456793
I don't imagine Skithiryx winning any wars of attrition.

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>mfw Booming an opponent's Cabal Coffers and my Flagstones of Trokair

>>53456728
Mirror Gallery+Blade of Selves
Go get them tiger

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>>53457020
>Booming my Forest and opponent's Maze of Ith
>animating both my Forest and Flagstones of Trokair
>saccing my Flagstones to Sylvan Safekeeper to give my Forest shroud

>>53456318
You're proving my point, oppressive mana rocks are not healthy for this format and they dont show any sign of intelligence on the deckbuilders part, you luck out and you skip two turns ahead of everyone else, but everyone can run them so its fair right?

>Learn what a crutch is.
If you can't build a deck without including cards that have little to no downside and gives you a massive power swing for no commitment other than taking up a card slot then I think you're the one playing with training wheels

>>53450860
>Seeker of Fortune
>when you go this full retard and think nothing bad will happen

>>53456252
>what are some cards I lost to last week and am really salty bitch about
Git gud, all of those are strong but very beatable if you actually tuned your deck.

>>53457188
>purposefully don't include cards that are better than 90 of the other cards in your deck
>playing with training wheels
Does not compute. Do you think every beginner makes a deck full of fetches, abur duals and rocks?

>>53450860
Is English your second language or third?

>>53450876
i don't get upset by any cards. people can do what they want. people need to be less whiney and realize that adapting to adversities is part of the point of building a deck.

>>53455302
been using dragon shield matte, they're nice.

Who is the absolute best commander for Stuffy Doll type decks?

My current burn wipe deck is red Ashling, but it feels so lackluster at times because I only have 4 ways to make Ashling safe from killing herself. (That Which Was Taken, Shield of Kaldra, Magebane Armor, and Darksteel Plate.) and I'm looking to at least add white, as it'll give me access to some good pro red enchantments and more indestructibility options, as well as Spitemare and Boros Reckoner.

So I'm thinking Zurgo, but I don't really need the black I'd just be using him because he can eat burn wipes during my turn and then swing in. The other options seem to be Oros or Gisela, however Gisela would cut the damage done to my Stuffy Doll, Mogg Maniac, Spitemare etc in half, which wouldn't be ideal. But it would also double the damage of my burns to other shit...

I'm conflicted here, need some advice.

>>53455401
>KMC
Looks like you didn't hear the news.

They were bought out by a Chinese company and their quality has dropped considerably. No one has any idea how many of the pre-china KMC sleeves are still around.

>>53457290
>Do you think every beginner makes a deck full of fetches, abur duals and rocks?
I dont see how that relates to my point but im gonna awnser your question anyway. Yes and no, most newcomers don't have said cards but it usualy doesnt take them long to find and purchase them, because while the format doesnt treat itself like a competetive format, most people miss the point and do treat it as such. This leads to the very uncomplete banlist getting exploited leading a playgroup meta to devolve into playing powerhouse cards or nothing else, in my opinion this leads to playgroup meta stagnation. This format is supposed to revolve around game-to-game diversity and "my dudes" and playing cards that opress that philosphy is gonna lead to boredom in the longrun. Why not play legacy then?

>>53457188
I literally don't understand what point you are trying to make here. At first I thought you were just some poorfag angry that other people spend money on things they like. You are upset with shit like like cyclonic rift and Sol ring though, which are dirt cheap. I don't get it, is everything a crutch? If I run a deck with 99 mountains are they a crutch? Would a REALLY skilled player be running 99 wastes instead?

It sounds like you are just bad and trying to make up assblasted excuses for why you lose.

So it’s greentext story time
>be me
>show up at LGS after two months of absence
>for some fucked up reason there is a 7 player EDH game going on already
>”Hey anon, wanna be the 8th player?”
>sure, totally not gonna drag well beyond the store closing time
>it’s turn 3, so pull up a chair, I draw my cards and drop 3 lands
>playing Rakdos the Defiler made mostly of battlecruiser bombs and demons that are worth pennies, built the day before in a hurry
>of all the 7 players I only know 3 and they are on the other side of the table
>people are playing (clockwise) Phenax mill, UG full of broken crap (Rashmi), Sydri, Saskia, Karador, Kambal and Krenko
>the table is so huge I can barely see the cards people have on the board and turns take ages
>never met Phenax and Krenko players before, but they are cool guys and we mostly crack jokes waiting for our turns
>Phenax guy never has any blockers and gets casually pushed around, his health steadily depleting
>Krenko player doesn’t even own his deck, but still gets focused for no immediately apparent reason, probably something personal
>Saskia, Kambal and Rashmi take turns being public enemy number one
>I’m drawing cards and playing ramp like nobody’s business, not a single attack coming my way (not that it would hurt me much anyway)

cont

>>53457729
>it’s half an hour till the store is closing, people are increasingly worried about slow plays
>everybody is still alive, have a shitton of mana, but still about 200 hp in total to burn through
>UG person tutors for Memnarch before passing the turn
>smell of infinite combos is in the air
>have one of my wincons in hand, but can’t execute it, ‘cause Kambal is out and I’ll die in the process
>”Krenko, my man, can you produce enough goblins to take out Rashmi player this turn? Otherwise we are all done”
>he evidently cannot
>”Then I would ask you to either remove Kambal or attack Phenax player with all but one of your goblins”
>does both and passes turn to me
>Phenax is at 1 hp, his face is “deargodwhy.jpg”
>I cast Repay in kind, leaving all 8 people in 1 hp, then proceed to fireball 7 targets for 1 dmg
>napalm smells like victory
>mfw I’ve squarely taken out 7 players at once without going infinite
>mfw I stole the epic victory from the most tryhard player in the group
>mfw nobody is mad, not even Krenko guy, who could have stolen the game from me with his Guttersnipe, had he not wasted his last burn spell on Kambal
>mfw people I used as a sacrificial fodder to the blood god thought it was neat
>mfw I’ll have something to brag about for months to come

God, EDH is the best format. Also

>”These three have been planning this from the start!”
>”But anon, they don’t even know each other’s names”

>>53455302
dragon shield are my personal favorite but only the matte ones. i have been told that the new ultra pro eclipse ones are fantastic but im not going to pay 16 bucks to sleeve a deck (you need 2 packs for a full commander deck)

>>53455401
KMC is dogshit now

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>>53457490
?

>>53457791
no, her breasts are too big
there's no need for the "stuffy"

>>53455348
>>53455401
If you like to pimp decks the frosted fronts on eclipse sleeves diminish foils and make them seem dull.

If you use smokes you get the same benefit of completely opaque backs, so dragon shields+smoke inner sleeves is the best unless you dislike foils.

>>53457822
>breasts too big
out with you

>>53455302
Dragon Shields come in boxes of 100 (Sometimes with a couple extras thrown in as evidently their QC would rather give you 110 sleeves than 99) and have a great selection of both matte and gloss colors. They are high quality and are without a doubt the single most practical choice on the market.

If you ever want something more "fun" than solid colors, sleeves with art are ok, but for the love of Yawgmoth get (KMC) Character Guard sleeves with them, which are oversized transparents (sometimes with a little scrollwork) intended to go over normal sleeves: Even Ultra Pro (which is kind of overpriced, especially for their quality, but offers a great selection) tends to have fairly small print runs of their 'art' sleeves so replacing split or scuffed sleeves is HARD. Character Guards, though, will always be in stock and are designed to go over standard sleeves. Double sleeving with them has the same advantages as using perfect fits and is in my experience a little less of a hassle

>>53457490
Keep ashling, add both the pro red swords and akromas Memorial.

If you can't afford them, you can't afford a new deck either.

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>>53457971
>not becoming part of the triple sleever masterrace

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>>53458006
>not perfect sleeving, normal sleeving, sleeve protector sleeving, then putting all that in pic related

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>>53458055
>not grading that shit

>>53450876
I once kept reccuring Keldon firebombers with my Kiki-Jiki. People weren't very happy.

>>53457574
I feel like you're not reading my posts properly, I devoted my last third of my last post to explaining exactly what my point is.

You and me both know that multiplayer commander is an inherently broken format for competetive because of its casual orientation and uncomplete banlist. The problem I have with playgroups exploiting the banlist is that you get very little wiggle room to do anything else, a lot of commanders and otherwise intresting cards become obsolete and mana rocks become mandetory, taking up card slots you would otherwise would devote to doing something related to your deck theme. The playgroup meta devolves into becoming very generic and same-y in addition to also the game itself becoming unintresting because of one resolved spell without much or any previous support simply win you the game or put you in such a massive advantage. My final point is that multiplayer commander is casual and unlike competetive formats you should take some consideration how unfun certain cards are for your opponents and how opressive they are for preventing new strategies to emerge in your playgroup.

Is crutchfag the fresh new meme of this general?
https://strawpoll.com/3zy3w2e
https://strawpoll.com/3zy3w2e
https://strawpoll.com/3zy3w2e

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>>53457509

Damn, I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up, I'll stick to Dragon Shields and Eclipse I guess.

>>53458280
Please stop posting.

>>53458292
t. crutchfag

>>53458306
No I'm one of the only two people replying to him calling him an idiot but stop posting nonetheless.

>>53458110
People need to realize that their manabase isn't sacred.

>>53458110
They're in my Feldon deck (Along with Avalanche Riders, Invader Parasite, and Orcish Settlers). It's fun.

>>53450876
People who complain about MLD or other cards should stop playimg commander. Part of the point of commander is building a deck that can stand up to everything in magics printed history.

Who's the best monocolored commander?

>>53450898
First thing that comes to mind is time seive and mechanized production

>>53458778

Teferi planeswalker according to competitivefags.

>>53458808
Blue walkers suck massive dongs though, well except for JTMS

>>53458848
Then don't ask if you don't want the truth.

>>53458860
There's no truth though only opinions and competitivefags' opinion is shit

>>53458881
Don't ask then.

>>53458775
That's just not feasible without an extremely non-interactive gameplan. Even if it were feasible, what do you do against a turn 0 flash hulk combo? Mulligan to force of will? Just accept that a small amount of games will end before your first turn? Whether you like it or not, building a deck is choosing what you will lose to and how often.

Some people like spicy foods, others don't. I love the hot stuff, but I would never tell people that don't like it to stop eating.

>>53458910
>Just accept that a small amount of games will end before your first turn?
yes,blame sheldon

>>53458894
>can't ask for opinions

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>>53458881

Here we see the elite gatekeeping species of casual in its natural habitat.

>>53458981
>asks for opinion
>gets told majority opinion
>says it's shit
>is surprised when gets told to fuck off if gonna ask a question, get the answer, then say "nuh uh" to the answer

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Should I build it?

>>53458848

Play against a well tuned Teferi-Chain Veil then come back and tell me that shit again.

It's misery made a card in the command zone

>>53459000
I like the escalation in this from totally reasonable stuff, to "ehhh" to "what" to just babby shit

>>53459012
If you have his compatriots, yea

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>>53459000

What the fuck. This is an advanced level of faggotry.

>>53459054
Reasonable?

The only reasonable part about all of that shit is no smoking/drinking and Metaknight and Ice Climbers being banned

Everything else is power-tripping circlejerking. You either suck their dicks or you're not coming in. God forbid you make them feel bad by playing another character and winning, or taunting, or having some bantz.

They're complete faggots.

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>>53459000

>>53458974
Blame sheldon for not having a 200 card banlist that tries to force people to be interactive?

If somebody wants to build a deck that results in as many non-games of magic as possible, then a 200 card banlist is not going to stop them. In fact, human psychology suggests the opposite. A small banlist that is deliberately abridged implies a guideline. A large banlist implies that if you find a way to cause non-interactive games, you are entitled to do so.

Are there enough cards to make a plant/saproling deck that isn't treefolk? I just want to be garden man and I'm too poor to play trees

>>53459090
I don't know, most of the first four seems reasonable. I will agree that, with the rest of the context, you're probably right, but if you read it from top down, blind, it starts off with some reasonable rules

>>53459154
Tana the bloodsower is a good saproling commander that has a lot of build options. She also gives to access to up to four colors.

>>53459183
Yeah, Tana's my commander. Do I just throw in Thrasios for access to blue?

>>53459154

Titania is sort of planty.

>>53459196
Could use Ghave, Guru of Spores instead

>>53459172

>If you're absent without excuse you may be prohibited from attending future sessions
>Trial period, no playing until we get to know you. We vote if you can be part of our "special group"
>No whining, cursing, talking loud, joking, sexual remarks, etc etc. Nice way to suck out all the fun out of meeting in person

That was all in the first 3 rules. I had a bad feeling about it by reading only the first.

>>53459000
>look at pic, at first thought it was D&D guidelines
>start listing super smash shit

good god, what the fuck is this shit?

>>53459154
Ghave isn't a treefolk, he's a fungus shaman.

>>53459118
I'm not complaining. I'm telling your that if you're going up against Flash Hulk you have to accept some games are going to be over turn 1. If you don't like that, blame the person who unbanned it.

>>53459196
If you're going Tana then you should get a partner that allows for four colors. That's Silas Renn, Ishai, Tymna, or Ravos.

>>53456728

Bring candy to use as poison counters. Like things of taffy or something. Then when you kill somebody give them a fun sized bag of Skittles. That was there's no real rage or salt when you win.

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>Guy plays Marchesa infect
>I can cycle between Rakdos which has become more and more tuned over time, Ayli, which is Cleric tribal but still performs well, Lazav which is entirely dependent on my opponents deck strength, or Oona which is dedicated tryhard combo shit, with Faerie tribal subtheme
>Gets mad when I play Oona despite the fact that he guns for my from the getgo with infect shit every game

Bruh, you're playing infect, one of us has to die first.

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>>53459000
>everything in that image

>>53455569
>Meren decks are a blight upon our world.
ftfy
Glissa is my precious, no bully

can i get some feedback on this gonti deck ?
im still in the building process so i haven't played it yet

https://deckstats.net/deck-13227095-313e65fe828308ee0685ced3e185a275.html

>>53460161
add Lifeline

>>53456170
>3 players can't mutually stop an eldrazi titan or two
This is like ABCs of a decent EDH group, come on. Are you all monogreen decks or something?

>>53460186
that's something to be considered for sure. thanks

>>53460161
Duplicant for some unconditional targetted exile, which you can easily bounce with all of your recursion and such. There's also that land that can untap other lands making Cabal coffers even more sick, and beyond that, perhaps add a slot for either Greed, Necropotence, or Phyrexian arena? Helps build devotion to make Gary even more of a bomb, plus adds some much needed card draw.

>>53460246
Adding onto that, Lashwrithe may be considered as a method to turn Gonti into a lethal swing

>>53456252
People will bitch on you, but you're right about most of those.
>Mana Crypt, sol ring
Only these two are really bad, other legal manarocks are mostly fair (arguably Mana Vault/Grim Monolith are pretty stupid). I'd be able to tolerate one of these two being legal, but not both at once.
>Expropriate
Nah
>Tooth and Nail
Stupid but not banworthy
>Paradox Engine
Stupid as shit, but you do have to have a tap friendly deck to get mileage out of it.
>Consecrated Sphinx
Kill it with fire
>Cyclonic Rift
"No matter how rigged the boardstate is against me, 7 mana fuck you I win" Just ban it already sheldon you fat fuck, it's nothing but salt whenever somebody plays it.

>>53457490
Gisela
>however Gisela would cut the damage done to my Stuffy Doll, Mogg Maniac, Spitemare etc in half
And double it back when it hits the opponent.
Also don't forget about Coalhauler Swine

>>53458808
>monoblue ramp card
How can wizards fuck up the colorwheel so hard in this day and age

>>53458778
W- lol who cares, probably 8.5 tails
U- Teferi planeswalker
B- Sidisi
R- Daretti
G- Titania or Yisan, probably Yisan

>>53460383
Titania is casual playable only. Should at least say Azusa if you want competitive lands.dec

>>53460383
Selvala, HotW is on par with Yisan with how easily she ramps.

How do I use Worldgorger Dragon in a Feldon deck? I know Kikki combos with him but is there a way I can combo Feldon with WGD and another creature in the yard with Rings of Brighthearth or Illusionist's Bracers?

>>53460354
It's blue

>>53460481
And?

>>53460161
>mono-b chromatic lantern
Cracked me up more than it should have

>>53460283
>Expropriate
>nah
Have a counterspell or get rekt: the card. the caster ALWAYS chooses an extra turn and if you all have nothing of value to steal and cave your head in, you are not playing EDH. Cyclonic rift is completely fine, I'm sick of all the people complaining. Stop vomiting so much shit on the board that you can't recast it all in the next turn or two.

Imprisoned in the Moon is where the cringe's at, if you are not playing green/white - say goodbye to your commander pretty much forever. But even that is not banworthy.

>>53460383
Is that a meme that mono-white is worthless? I can only think of Elesh Norn or Darien

>>53460500
It's true, I say, from me to you, there's nothing on earth that blue can't do.

>>53460546
>he doesn't run LD to kill his own Imprisoned commander
And why aren't you bitching about Song of the Dryads?

>>53460546
>Cracked me up more than it should have
It's to cast shit he steals with hedonist's trove, did you even read the whole list?

>>53460546

Yes, mono white is fucking awful.

You actually have fun playing MonoRed since the commanders are based, Boros is challenging but you have fun, janky stuff like Deflecting Palm and a shit ton of land destruction. Monowhite is miserable and bad.

>>53460643
Are you legally allowed to have mana in your pool that is out of your commander identity?

>>53460546
Expropriate costs 9 fucking mana and needs you to already have a developed board to be really good. Most of the time it's just a somewhat better Time Stretch. In a Simic shell that can ramp like a motherfucker it can be hellish, but otherwise? You get two-three extra swings with Talrand's tokens, whoop.

>Cyclonic rift is completely fine, I'm sick of all the people complaining. Stop vomiting so much shit on the board that you can't recast it all in the next turn or two.
Yeah I love discarding my whole board to a surprise cyc rift at the end of my turn. Go fuck yourself. Every single other boardwipe has some defense against it, or is at least symmetrical. Cyc Rift is just blue's get out of jail card that has literally no downside, as proved by it being the second most common card in blue decks besides sol ring.
You know when Cyc Rift would be balanced?
>Imprisoned in the Moon is where the cringe's at
It counters a single permanent, at sorcery speed.

>if you all have nothing of value to steal you are not playing EDH
>BUT if you have a big board you are not playing EDH either
make up your mind

>>53460672
Yeah I think they changed the rules to allow it a little while ago

>>53460672
Yes

>>53460672
Yes. And thank god for it, otherwise Shared Fate would lock the game.

>>53456252
But everyone can get a Sol Rin... I see no problem with it. Get better dude

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>>53460546

Isn't Imprisoned in the Moon just a blue Song of Dryads?

I mean, it's preety good, but is there any diference between the two?

>>53460771
Imprisoned can't touch artifacts and enchantments, a pretty significant difference.

>>53460678
>surprise rift
That's where your problem is at.

>make up your mind
If your Ulamog or some other shit get bounced to your hand, big deal. If it comes back at you along with some other broken stuff people had on their board (and doesn't come back under your control next turn, mind you) it hurts.

I know time stretch is good, even better that it's copiable and recurable, but I've so much dumb shit because players are all allowed to vote for Expropriate.

>>53460771
I believe that Song is even better for since it's not affected my non-basic MLD, thing is, I've never seen one in person, and Moon is like in every blue deck in my meta. Also, I'd much prefer green having it

>>53460657
Thicc Avacyn is pretty good.

>>53460546
>says Cyclonic is fine
>yet complains about fucking Imprisoned in the Moon
Every color has ways to get around Imprisoned. White and Green have enchantment destruction, Red and Black have land destruction, Red has Chaos Warp and the like, Blue has bounce spells and counterspells.
Only super mana ramp can play around Cyclonic, and even then you're gonna have to discard most of it anyway.
The fact that it's both "bounce all nonlands" AND "you don't control" is pure cancer.

And no, I can say having 2 mono-White decks myself, that it does have a lot of problems. Most prominent being literally 0 card draw.
If you get around that though (Mind's Eye, Well of Lost Dreams, etc) White probably has the most answers for anything anyone else does outside counterspells.

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Making a Isamaru, Samurai Pupper deck. What are some must includes besides Sensei Goldentail, Ashes of the Fallen, and Oathkeeper?

>>53460851
Also Cyc Rift exiles all your tokens, that's a pretty big strike against it.

>>53460884

Sorry, I should mention it's Voltron.

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If I cast an instant to protect my shit, and another player uses Venser, Shaper Savant to bounce it while it's on the stack, does it get out of the stack before it resolves?

A player did this when I tried to Heroic Intervention my stuff, and told me it was negated even though it was instant speed.

Also fuck wizards because the old artwork was dope as fuck

Want to make a deck, that would screw with my opponent's brains (not literally, but in a game world perspective). Thinking about Greel, the Mind Raker, but what are other options? I'm not sure if it has to be discard, mill or something else

>>53460884
Sounds like complete rubbish keep it up
>Ashes of the Fallen, Oathkeeper
So what do you do if you don't draw it?
>play Enlightened Tutor for Ashes of the Fallen/Oathkeeper
Imagining this scenario hurts me.

>>53460912
I have no idea what kind of terminology you're trying to use, but if you're asking whether or not Venser-creature's ability essentially counters a spell, then yes.
The spell does not resolve, has no effect, and is returned to your hand as the Venser's ability resolves before the spell would.
The entire point of Venser-creature is to use it this way, to pseudo-counter spells.

>>53460884
It's all about the equipment. I say Strata Scythe, Swords, Assault Suit, Empyreal Plate, Eldrazi Conscription, Darksteel Plate or plain old hexproof items

>>53460826
>That's where your problem is at.
So besides playing Teferi as my commander, how do I not make it instant speed, mr. smartass?
>If your Ulamog or some other shit get bounced to your hand, big deal. If it comes back at you along with some other broken stuff people had on their board (and doesn't come back under your control next turn, mind you) it hurts.
Yeah, pushing that Ulamog out a second time will be so swe- wait where are my manarocks?

>I know time stretch is good, even better that it's copiable and recurable, but I've so much dumb shit because players are all allowed to vote for Expropriate.
I mean, if they're freely giving degenerate permanents to the Expropriate's caster, then that's really the problem of the players, not Expropriate itself.

>>53460953

It's more of general Voltron deck but those are includes incase I actually get to pull it off for a flavor win.

>>53455569
>The Ur-Dragon is overcosted and weak
Yet a viable commander even if never resolved.
>Alesha is low-tier and samey,
Correct
>multiplayer EDH should switch to the MTGO banlist,
Fuck you
>Ashling is the best commander,
I'll meet you halfway with 'most fun'
>people who play Storm in multiplayer are assholes
Kinda, yeah
>UG goodstuff isn't actually good but it's annoying to play against,
It's pretty stronk.
>there's nothing wrong with MLD or various hard locks,
With you 100%
>bad combo decks aren't actually good you guys just suck,
Bad combo decks are bad by definition, though they'll still probably beat bad aggro decks and maybe bad control decks since control features a fairly steep die-off in effectiveness at lower price/build skill.
>competitive EDH is actually fun give it a try sometime,
It's a sometimes food at best.
>Boros has some interesting angles to play even if they aren't particularly great,
Another bullseye
>O-Kagachi is a huge flavor fail,
I'd say moderate flavor fail
>Ramos looks like it came from Ravnica,
I'd have said Mirrodin, Ravnica never really did they Shiny and Chrome look.
>BG(x) decks are a blight upon our world.
Fuck you.

>>53461066
Speaking of Time Stretch and Expropriate, just imagine how Ramos will be degenerate with them.

>>53460401
>>53460383
Based on tournament results, it's Yisan for multiplayer and Titania for 1v1. Azusa is behind the times.

>>53461089
(Wasn't meant to quote but whatever)
>>53461066
>play a pseudo-tribal deck
>with a general that doesn't even belong to the tribe
You have like 3 monowhite samurai generals to pick from, and you pick somebody who has nothing to do with samurai. It will never be anything more than jank. I mean whatever floats your boat, but it's hard to make suggestions for a deck that deliberately plays suboptimal cards for it.

for the most part my play groups are pretty chill. each one though has one guy that can be annoying not so much because of what they play but because of how they react if what they're playing loses.
In one group we have a guy that plays meren. he picked up her deck because he heard she was a broken commander. he gets upset if he loses with her (which he almost always does because he's a bad player in general and did nothing to make the pre made deck better) because he expects it to be broken. One time he wanted to do 1v1 with it and I played my atraxa that I filled with a bunch of shitty walkers except for ugin. I ended up besting him the first game and the second game he quit because I used kioras ultimate that gives me the kraken every turn and he thought that was unfair even though he could have killed her with his hero's downfall but he decided to use that on my ugin instead even tho he was at one loyalty.
The guy in my other play group plays ghost council and he's cool most of the time but some games he gets really upset if anyone does anything to him at all and he will freak out.

I'm always afraid of bringing out my more competitive decks since my groups are usually made up of me and another competitive player and some of our friends who are really casual .

>>53461122
>atraxa player badmouthing meren
I hope you both contract aids from each other

>>53461089
>Speaking of Time Stretch and Expropriate, just imagine how Ramos will be degenerate with them.
You mean Taigam, right?

>>53460383
Kataki hatebears/stax can be pretty decent

Parallel lives, anointed procession and panharmonicon sounds like a nightmare to resolve.

>>53460975

Yeah, I gotta get me some of the swords. Have a few others too, boots and the like. Any cheaper CMC suggestions for Auras?

>>53461116

Because I want a lower power level Voltron deck to play with newer players. And the Samurai subtheme is just that, a subtheme.

>>53461054
>how do I not make it instant speed, mr. smartass?
You don't. You plan your actions accordingly and don't over-commit

>wait where are my manarocks?
I do believe thery are in your hand

>>53461054
>they're freely giving degenerate permanents to the Expropriate's caster
That's the fucking problem, they refuse to surrender their garbage and give the UG asshole 4 extra turns

Expropriate is sorcery speed and there is still no interaction apart from a counter or not having permanents on board

>>53461116
>isamaru
>does not belong to samurai
>when it quite literally physically does
Please, get you facts straight, my man.

>>53461215
Isamaru voltron was kind of hot around 9th edition, gotta look for my old list

>>53461188
Taigam will just double them and he needs ramp for that. Ramos will chain them into an incredible shitstorm of mana and it's incredibly trivial to cast them through his ability. Time Stretch is literally "remove 5 counters: take 2 turns, put a counter back"

>>53461231
>You don't. You plan your actions accordingly and don't over-commit
>"the only way to win against this is to cripple my board just so I don't lose everything, while silently hoping its player misplays it and doesn't have a way to use it again"
Sounds like quite a few cards in the banlist doesn't it?
>I do believe thery are in your hand
So what's with the Ulamog argument again then if I can't put him back in the board?

>That's the fucking problem, they refuse to surrender their garbage and give the UG asshole 4 extra turns
If they are so stupid as to be incapable of learning how to play against Expropriate despite losing to it multiple times, why not take advantage of it and play Expropriate yourself? It's one of those "playgroup makes the decklist" situations which I wish I had sometimes.

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>>53457747
You've done a good deed. Repay in Kind is very spicy!

>>53460826
>I believe that Song is even better for since it's not affected my non-basic MLD
>complains about unfair cards when he doesn't even know the rules

Fuck off, mate.

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If wotc printed this card in a commander product, every time a new legendary creature would be printed after it, people would say "this card sucks. Give us more interesting and fun commanders like commando awesome."

"guys, I CREATED a new ORGINAL commander deck. the strategy is to play commando awesome and give it +1 power and to also find ways to SPEND the mana he makes. The guys at the shop are going to be so impressed with my design."
"why would you play scion of the ur-dragon or sliver overlord? those commanders suck because commando awesome exists."

This isn't too far from the truth. Look at what prossh and narset did to their colors.

Play commando awesome in CEDH if you want, but don't pretend to be superior to those that play a different style.

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>>53459000

>>53461367
I think you're talking about Ur-Dragon and nah, he's okay, not particularily powerful, but might bring an interesting twist to dragon tribal. If you're talking about O-Kagachi though, please kill yourself because that guy is literally unplayable.

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>>53461367

>>53461422
I think the other guy's point was to say "don't bask other people just because they don't use the competitively single best commander in their chosen colors or because they have a different playstyle than you"

>>53461367
Narset is bad though.

>>53461209
Panharmonicon doesn't interact with the other two

Is this acceptably jank or too jank?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/braids-goodstuff-2/

>>53461458
Narset is the best Jeskai commander.

>>53461465
Not even if you cast something like a Myr Battlesphere?

>>53461444
I thought his point was that people are complaining about new commanders just because "scion/prossh are better".

>>53461422
Ok, I'll kill myself because of a card you don't like that nobody mentioned. Seems reasonable.

But since you brought it up, o-kagachi is literally playable, in that you can legally sleeve it up and call it your commander.
"but anon, that card is sub-optimal."

Every card is suboptimal compared to the dozen or so CEDH viable decks. If you draw the line for acceptable power somewhere below peak competitive performance, any line you choose is going to be arbitrary. Even if you accept commanders that have reputations for being powerful, they might not even be viable in CEDH due to just how powerful the decks have become. This results in a shitty culture of players that judges commanders based on how well they can shit on precons, even if the card in question isn't viable in real competitive.

>>53461501
That's not really a nightmare to resolve.
You get two triggered abilities to put four tokens onto the battlefield, which become 8 and then 16 tokens each. End result, 32 Myr tokens.

>>53461362
It's a colorless forest land, good sir

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>>53461553
Having a basic land type does not make it a basic land, anon.

>>53461553
And yet it's still not Basic.
Song doesn't say it's basic, so unless you play Song on a basic land, the permanent it's attached to is NOT Basic.

>>53461550
Oh. I thought Panharmonic would react to PL and AP and cause them to trigger again. Thanks for setting me straight, anon.

>>53461549
There are different layers to suboptimal. My Glissa deck is suboptimal to Food Chain Prossh but is a worthy matchup against 80%+ of decks I play against. O-Kagachi lies squarely in the "slam me in the bin" tier, a worse commander than fucking Karona, and that's not a very enviable spot to be in for a creature hyped to be the strongest being in all of Kamigawa.

>>53461578
>>53461580
Okay, I'll remember that

>>53461580
>unless you play Song on a basic land

Actually, it still won't be a basic land.
Song scrubs all card types from the permanent and replaces them with "Land - Forest". It is nothing more, nothing less.

>>53461526
Kinda. It's stupid to act like mid-low tier commanders aren't good additions to the game.

I have multiple real commander decks built. I have no problem busting out teferi stax or sidisi storm. I would often just rather play a different kind of game than that. You have to be a special kind of autismal to go "WOTC STOP PRINTING CARDS THAT AREN'T FOR MEEEEEEEEEE"

>>53461585
No, the token doublers are replacement effects, not triggered abilities.

>>53461609
"11/7/2014 The enchanted permanent loses any card types, subtypes, and colors it previously had. It keeps any supertypes it had and its name remains unchanged. It gains “Tap: Add Green to your mana pool” and loses all other abilities from its rules text. It will still have any abilities it gained from other effects."

Supertypes
http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Supertype

(I didn't know it worked this way til just now looking it up)

>>53461367
I can relate to that, as Prossh had killed any inclination to continue tweaking my Endrek Sahr deck, because of how obviously inferior he is to Prossh.

Why would you play a mono-colored deck is another good question, as it would mostly be a downgrade from 2 or 3c.

>>53461630
Ohh. Gotcha.

>>53461484
Yeah, bad.

>>53461655
Not having to manage color fixing and having a large number of Basic lands is pretty good sometimes.
Terrain Generator or Scrying Sheets for example do well with a lot of Basics.
And you can focus more on what a mono color strat can do that a multicolor might not be able to do as well.
I have a mono-White deck that's pure Soul Sisters, and I don't think adding another color would help much.

>>53461621
>mid-low tier commanders aren't good additions to the game.
But anon, that's not the problem here. The problem is that the mid-low tier commanders aren't good in a power sense AND they have disgraceful mechanics that are either too narrow and easy to play around (O-Kagachi) or are just plain hated from a card design standpoint (Ur-Dragon). I personally hate the flying cat too, because it's not only weak but also boring and generic (b-but LE QUIRKY TRIBE!), and Ramos because he will be utterly, disgustingly, almost Zur/Prossh/Tazri tier broken. The only new general I can't say anything bad about is the WU monk guy.

>>53461683
>look at what Narset did to her color combination (because she is the best commander of a bad color combination)
Need any more help?

>>53461458
wut? have you ever played against it, shits disgusting

>>53461458
>bad
>"you have 1 turn to remove me* through my hexproof shield lest I win: the commander" (*: once per two landdrops)

>>53461703
I assume that by souls sisters you mean pure lifegain. You can spend you life on cards and removal, bounce your creatures for more triggers, get ramp, more tokens and counters, more efficient counters to strategies that prevent you from gaining life. If you pick, say, Karlov for the commander, you will also be able to quickly take out players with commander damage

>>53461711
>these cards are too bad
>these other cards are too broken
This is the problem with making cards for commander. You have to just play the cards that give you the experience you want. There are just too many options to pretend that the goldilocks zone of power/complexity/buildaround-itude is something many cards can hit, especially when different groups are fundamentally playing different games.

I sort of have a problem with the way ulrich as received. There are lots of commanders that are pretty much vanilla, and there is a time and place for playing a creature for its colors and sleeving up goodstuff or going for a less combo-oriented design. Geist of saint traft pretty much does nothing for spirit tribal, but that hasn't stopped EDHrec from having 302 deck lists. This shows that players are fine with having vanilla-ish cards grandfathered in, but god forbid a new card isn't completely superior. EDH is practically named after the idea that your commander is pretty much just a beater with colors.

Granted, sometimes it's disappointing when a card comes really close to being something you want to play, but it feels like it was not playtested enough or that a card seems confused on what audience its targeting. Ludevic feels super bad to play when you realize that he is templated so that your opponents fetchlands all draw them cards, but you get nothing.

>>53461711
Zur is broken because he tutors out Necropotence. Prossh is broken because he goes infinite with just Food Chain and wins with a dozen other cards. Tazri is broken because you need Food Chain and Misthollow/Scourge to flat out win. Ramos is going to be strong, and he may have a 2 card infinite combo, but I can't think of one that would make him Tier 1 at 6 mana and a slightly more restricted ability.

>>53461920
I already have win cons in Felidar Sovereign, Celestial Convergence, and Test of Endurance.
And I have more than enough protection for myself and all permanents I control.

I can see what you mean, but adding in more stuff to spend life on or something would cause me to start taking out things that work toward the strategy I already have.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-05-17-jareth-soul-sisters-edh/

>>53462011
>no Aetherflux

>>53461949
What I expect from the ideal new commanders are them approaching existing mechanics from interesting angles, and versatility. I'll mention Hapatra from Amonkhet as a recent general that felt like a blessing from EDH gods. Is she powerful? I can name at least 4 more competitive Golgari generals before her. Is she easily answered? Yes. Did she breathe new life to the color identity and gave a plenty of overlooked old cards plenty of value? Oh god yes. Amonkhet in general was pretty good with EDH generals, except ironically for the one they intentionally pandered to the format with.

Not sure what people's beef with Ulrich is. I don't mind Ulrich. If a new card came out that's just Ulrich with less abilities and a new tacked on keyword, I deserve a right to be pissed off about it however.

>EDH is practically named after the idea that your commander is pretty much just a beater with colors.
So I take it that you play with the common/uncommon Legends generals at the helm?

>>53461964
>Zur is broken because he tutors out Necropotence
No, he's broken because instead of necropotence he can also tutor out literally any answer to the current board, or a bullshit pillowfort piece in case things are getting too hot around his block.
An infinite combo does not a tier 1 general make. Yidris and Jeleva don't have a conventional infinite and yet they're tier 1. I expect Ramos to end at tier 1,5.

>>53461860
Hexproof is annoying but at 6cmc it's not like she's impossible to answer.

>>53462121
People's beef with Ulrich is that he isn't a Werewolf commander, he's a RG beatdown commander who happens to be a werewolf.
Mayor of Avabruck or Immerwolf are far more deserving of such a spot, but they aren't Legendary.

>>53462158
>Hexproof is annoying but at 6cmc it's not like she's impossible to answer.
Except counterspells, what are those answers that aren't unfavorable to you (having to nuke your own board of creatures, or having somebody else to do it)?

>>53461761
I've been here for about two years now and I'm pretty certain I've never heard the words "why are you playing anything besides Narset when you're in Jeskai colors?"

If anything /edhg/ and casual groups despise Narset.

>>53462268
Tbh Jeskai as utter jank for commanders besides Narset, and that's a problem. Zedruu is a meme, Numot is not only underwhelming but also makes you a target because LD, Shu Yun kills one player and dies a horrible death, Ruhan pretty much an Zurgo: Unplayable edition and there aren't any partner combos better than what 4 color WURx brings you.

>>53462121

>So I take it that you play with the common/uncommon Legends generals at the helm?
I was talking about the Elder Dragons, but those guys are a really hard fucking sell. My usual mentality toward legedaries is that somebody will like them, but those guys are an exception. Not that the old uncommons are a really good argument for anybody's case though.

What is "baby's first stax deck"? Probably Nath? Or the idea of stax is inherently opposed to being budget?

>>53462492
Not sure what do you mean by stax, but the reusable stax package itself (Sphere of Resistance, Trinisphere, Tangle Wire etc.) should set you back at least $50 in total.

>>53462492
Derevi except cheap and shitty.

>>53462521
I mean "pool is closed due to aids" type of gameplay. Don't own trinisphere or Nether void yet, but other options are avialable

>>53462537
Not sure how Derevi fares in multiplayer

>>53462628
>I mean "pool is closed due to aids" type of gameplay
Sounds like the average Brago game. Speaking of which, I wish you'd fall down a set of stairs.

>>53462656
I would have to move my ass. I need stax to stop infinite combos and other powerplays

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>>53462713
Then you want control, not outright stax. I design most of my decks with the philosophy that they're capable of ducking under infinites. Pic related is a card that saved my ass in the past and I've never seen another person run it.

>>53462191
counterspells, edicts, board wipes, rule of law effects, moat effects, gaddock teeg, aoe tap(cryptic command or turnabout). You can plan for Narset to come into to play so you can boardwipe without hurting yourself to bad

>>53462628
>Not sure how Derevi fares in multiplayer
As opposed to what? Multiplayer EDH is the only format it's playable in.

>>53462492
>>53462628
>I mean "pool is closed due to aids" type of gameplay

It's not stax, but if you want to play babbys first griefer deck, build knowledge pool sharum.

The game plan is simple. Play knowledge pool to slow the game down a little. Then cast sharum to get more artifacts in play circumventing the knowledge pool. Put down a phyrexian metamorph as a copy of knowledge pool. The way the pool works, you stack the triggers how you want, which basically means there are multiple pools and whenever a player casts a spell, you choose which pool the card is going into. This means you can make it extremely difficult to resolve a decent spell.

You then play eternal scourge into the pool, then cast the scourge with its own ability to shrink the pool without adding anything, further removing option slots.

When anything good gets in the pool, use master transmuter to blink it, permanently exiling those cards.

Cheat into play a mindslaver and force a player to dump their good cards into the pool before you flicker it, or just force them to use the pool to counter their own spells.

It's not a competitive strategy, but it's not expensive and it will make many casual players want to kill themselves.

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how's this for a "i just wanna ramp and play big creatures" commander?
I'm having trouble building GW because I end up with a half ass deck that both tries to summon tons of tokens and cast bomb creatures.

>>53462831
Holy fuck that's evil.

Also, general question. Is it reasonable to run a stax package, then just a regular deck? Using the package as a sort of handbrake on the game and letting you get ahead. Is this a good idea?

>>53463880
Try Bant or UG instead.

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How the fuck is this the types it is and not a Skeleton Plant?

>>53464069
Skeleton plant/skeleton fungus would be funny, but zombie elemental for "the walking grave" seems pretty flavourful.

>>53450892
Well what enchantments do you use?
Prison or voltron?

I think Wars Toll, Price Of Glory, and Stranglehold are pretty notable inclusions

>>53459845
I usually do three-color decks, do I need a lot of rocks and dual lands for four?

>>53464268
Bloom tender, vizier of the menegerie, and chromatic lantern will help a lot too.

Also signets and shadowmoor/eventide filter lands

>>53460912
Depends. If he bounces a permanent you're trying to protect then it goes to your hand before the heroic intervention resolves. If you heroic intervention in response to something else and he sends the heroic intervention back to your hand, you can recast the intervention after venser resolves to re protect your stuff

>>53464069
Read his lore?

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>>53459154
I miss playing my nigga Nemata, guy can't do his thing anymore nowadays.

>>53460912
Yes, Venser can bounce the spell off the stack essentially Remanding it.

>>53464478
You're in green. Just do elfball with Coat of Arms and make arbitrarily large saprolings.

>>53457747
I love stuff like this.
My personal story like this was we were playing a 5 player commander game. 2 players got knocked out early and the other 2 were good friends of mine. we were all down below 15 health. One of them plays triskadeckaphobia. we all then decide to go out together and see if there was a way to get us all to 13 life and lose together. My turn comes and I draw a card that could drain one of their life totals completely and get me above 13 so i could win it all. I decided not to play it so we'd have a cool story. Magic isn't about winning it's about having fun with people with a similar interest. edh reminds me so much of kitchen table and school magic that it will always be my favorite format no matter how conpetivie I get in other formats

>>53460331
That's a good fucking point, I somehow didn't realize that.

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>He still doesn't realize that MLD is fine as long as they are running praetors

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To me, the #1 flaw found in EDH is that there is such a massive discrepancy between what one player may consider "casual" and what the next player could consider "casual".
Whether you disagree with this as a flaw or not, I just want to discuss possible solutions to this problem, if there even are any.
For me, as someone who plays in real life and online, it seems to me that a casual deck could, to one table at the LGS, mean big Timmy style magic where the winner is decided by an overrun or a bunch of flying dragons flying in overhead, and to the guy at the next table "casual" could mean an infinite combo Breya deck because "there are stronger tournament decks out there."
So who is wrong here? Are neither wrong? It seems that some people believe "Casual" means "Anything other than literally the best few decks in the world." while some believe that casual should run little to no counterspells, land destruction, stax, oppressive shit etc.
Now I know that an answer could simply be "only play with people who agree with your idea of 'casual'.", but I don't think that's actually a good train of thought in regards to the community of this format. The differentiating opinions on what constitutes "casual EDH" can cause conflict in play groups and definitely when playing with strangers, and I think a reinforced official guideline for what should be "casual" needs to be put in place so that "I'm right you're wrong" doesn't become the trending statement when these conflicts arise.
So what's the solution to the problem? An official restriction list for "casual EDH"? An official guideline given to us on what "casual EDH" should be? What are your ideas? Should anything be done about it? Is it a flaw at all? Do you disagree that it's even there to begin with? Just hoping to hear other people's opinions and beliefs on this topic.

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>play zada
>sol ring mana crypt turn one
>turn 2 possibility storm
>turn 3 zada
>eventuly win through firey gambit
>guy with 2000$ deck tells me to fuck my self and rage quits in real life
>it was a payed pod

maybe i'm that guy
but chaos and mld is all that mono red has
and in a payed pod against thousand dollar decks
I don't feel as for using everything i can at my disposal

anyone else have Justified "that guy" feels?

the deck https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/591294#paper

>>53464793
as bad*

>>53464728
You'll lose 1 damage when you hit for odd numbers, thanks to rounding, but that's it.

>>53464793
There's literally nothing wrong with MLD, but chaos fags need to off themselves.

>>53464845
who would win
>1 enchantment
or
>1 3000$ deck

>>53464793

You did nothing wrong. The nature of card games is chaotic and you embraced it and got lucky.

Also any 3k deck that is butthurt to losing to a Zada chaos needs to off himself because he literally can't understand that sometimes, no matter what, someone else is going to get lucky, no matter the jank shit he's running instead of all the optimization he himself went through. Shit happens, and he should have been amused, not butthurt.

If that happened at my LGS, all the tables would be laughing and joking about it for weeks

>>53464898
Depends on the 3k deck. If they run no removal, they will lose to Humility and Moat

>>53465066
>spend 3000$ on a deck
>run no answers
they deserve to lose

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>>53464793

>runs Hanweir Garrison / Hanweir Battlements in Zada

>>53465167
they are both amazing on there own

>>53465167
Garrison makes tokens, perfect for Zada, and Battlements is a land+haste enabler, also great. I play Zada and I've only fused them into Writhing Township once, but that did win me the game.

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What are the best meaniest discard spells?

I am playing Queen Marchessa control trying to fuck everyones board hand and shit, i have the basic inquisition thoughtseize duress and such but i want some powerful 2-3 mana discard spells that arent quite popular.

Help me out here please.

>>53465167
I have the Hanpair in several Red decks. Haste land is good, tiny Hero of Bladehold is good, and they're amazing the rare times they come together.

>>53465300
Mind Twist and Mind Shatter are excellent bullying tools, Hymn to Tourach, Mindslicer.

>>53465167
>>53465365
I like how it's dumb flavor that Bane of Hanweir can kill Hanweir in a fight.

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I'VE BEEN PLAYING MYRIAD LANDSCAPE IN A COLORLESS DECK FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND NO ONE CALLED ME ON IT AND I JUST FUCKIGN REALIZED

>>53465850
what

>>53465850
I mean, were you getting Wastes or just grabbing any two lands like some kind of moron?