Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for best Primarch.

First for what's today's teaser?

>>53441246
Sanguinius returns when?

You know it is going to happen

>>53441247
With any luck something that is not totally worthless

Also GSC Breeders are going to be announced tomorrow

>Putting Onager Dunecrawler together
>"DON'T GLUE THE LEGS TO THE LITTLE THING THAT HOLDS THEM TOGETHER"
How the fuck do I actually finish building you then????

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>>53441269
Probably to save Baal because Abby's giant warp rift makes it possible.
I've been praying for it to happen for a long time, anon. Daddy's coming home.

>>53441250
If we just swapped it for Wahhabiphobia we'd be much better off, honestly.

Of course that's also the state sponsored religion of Saudi Arabia, so...nope.

And that's why I'm not in politics. Back to 40k!

any chance of a /pol/ free board.... just once... please?

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Bit late to this, but in the missions preview:

Why the hell does the underdog player get command re-rolls instead of just command points? You're going to be ~200 points behind for each one, so it's not like it's enough of an advantage to make up for the lack of forces.

I guess those people who said we were going to be setting up closer to the enemy were mostly wrong. Standard mission is still 24" apart. Only missions which are 18" apart seen so far are a narrative one and one where you are along the diagonal, so you have more room to deploy back from the front line.

So /tg/, how is GW gonna handle GSC allies? Obviously they'll have the <Tyranids> Keyword, but what about AM?

>>53441247
More Primarines stats, they said so yesterday

>>53441334
>setting is literally /pol/'s wet dream

>>53441272
>>53441247
Primarines

>>53441343
>hating on old /tg/
Fucking newfags, i swear.

>>53441247
>>53441272
>We’re back tomorrow with a look a look at some more stats for Primaris Space Marines.

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Does anyone know what Camo Netting will do in 8th edition?

If it's anything like Smoke Launchers then Guard Armor is in a seriously solid position going forward.

Providing a -1 to enemy shooting is waaay stronger than a +1 to yoyr own cover save; I for one am going to enjoy using smoke on enemy necrons and marines and telling my opponent 'you shoot like guard now.' If camo works the same way I could tell them to roll like orks!

>MFW you hit a Baneblade on 5s

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>>53441269
>For 10,000 years the Chaos Gods have held Sanguinius as a hostage
>Whole time being tortured and tormented with the fact he couldn't stop Horus
>The Red Thirst was just him being tortured and trying to reach out to his children
>Cock-sure Chaos Lord reveals the all but dead Primarch to what remains of Angels and successors after Tyranid shitstorm
>trapcard.exe
>Bangels and comany go ape shit berserk succumbing to the Primarchs unmuffled psychic vision

>>53441343
/pol/ has a board to talk /pol/ shit, do it there.

do you see /mlp/ or /vr/ shitting up entire threads? No you fucking don't

keep /pol/ in /pol/

>>53441357
So nothing worth it.

I like the new models, but if we could have an entire decade without marines release I would not mind. And I fucking play ultramarines.

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>>53441367
>stats

I want more models damn it.
And Chaos big marines while we are at it.

>>53441334
>anything that isn't ultra liberal is le ebin /pol/ boogeyman meme
I'm not a /pol/tard but for fuck's sake you're just making it worse by complaining so much about one anon who's probably a fucking larper
just fucking ignore it

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So, have the remaining symbols around the xenos icon been identified?

>>53441367
The GSC are tomorrow. I mixed thing up sorry

>>53441348
Are there actually going to be any restrictions on what allies you can take, other than all units in a detachment must share a faction keyword?

Possibly they will just give GSC (or the more human looking ones at least) the astra militarum faction but not the imperium faction.

>>53441350
>as anti-left empire as it can be
>white people still losing on every front and are on the verge of extinction
Is /pol/ just another jewish trick?

>>53441388
holy shit, I thought nothing could convince me that bringing back Sanguinus wasn't pants-on-head retarded but I can totally dig this

>>53441397
The only big marines are plauge marines.
Just convert some man, its going to be super fucking easy

>>53441409
That's what I'm hoping. I want those forgeworld goodies.

>>53441372
Its not that big difference against bs4:
Lemanruss with +1 armor against melta: 27.5% chance to wound.
Lemaruss with -1 to hit but no armour save: 25% to wound.

>>53441415
Thanks anon :)

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>>53441445
Maybe tanks with camo netting can dig in or go to ground or whatever than infantry ability to get double the benefit from cover is called. Or possibly just not need to be 50% (or 25%, whichever they go with) obscured to get cover benefits. Lots of options.

>>53441420
>metal gear/DoW shitflinging
honestly I have never seen that

>>53441467
>:)
and now I reconsider the whole thing

>>53441476
We are in limbo thanks to the new edition.

So we are getting invaded by autistic retards that bitch about everything like >>53441420 that's all.

Wait till 8th shows up for a more traditional bitching

>>53441477
Haha sorry, as a writer it feels good to have people like you're ideas, I forgot myself. Good luck in this shitstorm of a general friend!

>>53441388
Except they've been Red Thirsting since inception.

It's why Sangy almost fell to Khorne, to cure his sons.

You're probably thinking of the Black Rage, which started post Sangy death, and causes them to think their Sangy.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/26/new-warhammer-40000-primaris-space-marinesgw-homepage-post-4/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/26/new-warhammer-40000-primaris-space-marinesgw-homepage-post-4/

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THEY'RE LATE
REEEEEEEEEEE
How do I report them

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/26/new-warhammer-40000-primaris-space-marinesgw-homepage-post-4/

Why the fuck are the forgeworld Leman Russ turrets so expensive? £17? Really?

>>53441404
What do the missing rivers mean on the cover of 5e rulebook?

>>53441517
Goddammit GW.

>>53441516
Oh good point, always forgot it was a seperate problem even though Death Company are some of my favorite units lore wise

>>53441522
So those Inceptors are literally dropped from orbit?

>>53441500
yeah I get that, it's just a pain.

the Community page of the day threads don't seem anywhere near as shitted up though

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10" move. Nice.

Just noticed the Ld of the sergent is different. How does it work with battleshock? Do you roll vs. 7 or 8?

>>53441526
>marinelets will be useful in 8e! I swear!

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>>53441517

>>53441569
Probably 8 of its like old editions

>>53441526
>>53441522
Primaris just made marines pointless.

I love how GW loves to make overlapping units that are clearly superior to their counterparts

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>>53441418
>Just convert some

Am i supposed to sand off all these fucking eagle chests?
Will Chaos even have an option for big marines that arent god affiliated?

>>53441571
>literaly mentions how deveststor squads benefit most from the Captain Aura

>>53441569
8.

>M10
HORMAGAUNTS BTFO
NIDS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>53441526
For fucks sake, I knew they would do something like this.

It's a fucking Captain, they're not the best of the best, they are the cheapo generic HQ you get when you don't have many points to spare.

This bumfuck captain is just as good in melee as the Swarmlord and almost as resilient. A Captain should just be a Space Marine with some kickass gubbins like a 2+, an invun and some ded killy weapons, not just straight up be stronger.

Should I expect T5, W4, A4 Company Commanders? 10 wound Farseers?

>>53441585
I don't see no grav on Primaris Marines.

>>53441585
Haven't seen point values, put your autistic spergs away for a couple more weeks

>>53441589
>need primaris captain to make little guys workable
>mentions hellblasters after devs to remind that marinelets are 2nd rate space marines now
Have fun replacing your whole collection.

>>53441564
>those guns are basically hand held heavy bolters (albeit, with a much reduced range).

So each Chad will have Heavy 6?

S5 AP-1 D1 Heavy(?) 18 (6 guns × 3 shots).

For the same Power as Rubrics? Sign me up.

>>53441587
>he cant cut a half mm of iconography off
git gud scrub

>>53441587
That's what you get for turning on Emps, anon!

>>53441604
Yet.

Incest squads are just better bikes and assault squads. Unless they some how make Primaris so point prohibiting, marines are a dead faction

>Inceptors drop in from space

So they intentionally look like that.

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Oi lads, havent played aince around 4th. Getting back into 40k because of 8th, not sure if i should go deathwatch because ive waited along time for them or tyranids? i love the dinobugs too amd already have a few
>thoughts and opinions on both?
>thematically i enjoy them both equally

>>53441533
> 3+ sv
so he is just a like a chapter master on a bike, with 2 extra wounds?
wow, much op, such gains, marenlett blown out
come on lads, you guys are better than this

>>53441615
I'd assume assault guns with 12''-15'' range.

>>53441614
Guilliman didn't change, his statline was pretty much static except for the obvious change in how WS and BS work. This is just "Gotta make the new stuff better" syndrome that is suffered by every release...except Orks.

>>53441526
>doesn't have 2+ save

WTF?

>>53441597
>slower than a current assult marine
HA!
YOU ARE SILLY

>>53441603
>It's a fucking Captain, they're not the best of the best

It's a Primaris captain, and they say in the article that characters have more wounds now.
I wouldn't put a 5 wound Farseer out of the question.

>>53441585
Each squad of 5 of these guys is 100 points at least. They have one weapon in the squad.

>>53441645
It's the armor. It gives him +1T instead of +1Sv

>>53441636
Ya. I was guessing 12-18" for range. Heavy might be a let down of dropping to BS3. But either way. Their stats made me like them more.

>>53441655
naa, doubt it. 4 wounds for elfs mages is my guess>>53441585

>>53441603
>just as good in melee
I mean sure, he has a 2+ weapon skill. But his movement is shit, he's not gonna be wounding things nearly as well, and even when the swarmlord has 6 wounds of his twelve left he has more attacks. Its pretty clear the toughness bonus is only from the gravis armor, this guy doesn't seem to have an invuln and he's still strength 4. Hell, the real surprise is this loser still isn't LD 10. So all told he's slow, can't take a bike, and even after the wound inflation that's happening with 8th he can still die to a single lascannon hit. Hell, he can't even get artificer armor. So all gravis armor does is bump up your toughness and add a few wounds. Sounds like a pretty reasonable alternative to artificer armor or terminator armor.

>>53441585
>All this obverblown butt hurt
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
man, the new cap isnt THAT impressive, and all primarines look to be more expencive than chosen.
STOP BEING SO DUMB!

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Well, which one?

>>53441669
I was thinking assault guns so that they can shoot&charge. Or does non-assault guns prohibit charges anymore?

>>53441668
Why not both?

>>53441680
dont know until 8th
stop asking, you memelord

>>53441655
>I wouldn't put a 5 wound Farseer out of the question.

We know from Melee Weapon article Chaos Lords have 6 or less Wounds.

We know that 2W (in 7e 40k) Daemon Heralds have 5W in Age of Sigmar.

My guess is 2W HQs get 5
3W HQs get 6

>>53441632
W8 4 8 M8

>>53441680

Both depending on the kind of game I'm playing.

>>53441689
To give a reason to take the terminator armor

>>53441603
>This bumfuck captain is just as good in melee as the Swarmlord and almost as resilient.
No, neither of these is true

Just because they both hit on 2+ doesnt mean anything on its own, their weapons matter

>>53441687
We don't know. Assuming it will... unless the Incessors get a rule / Keyword to ignore it.

>>53441672
He is for sure going to get at least a 5+ invun with the ability to upgrade to 4+, it may just be me, but I'm not fond of armour giving toughness upgrades, I should only have to deal with the bonuses your armour gives once, not in every phase of wounding. Toughness should be the physical resistance of the guy himself, either though resilient biology or cybernetic implants

>>53441634
Still pretty neat. It gives me hope that the Nid monsters will get a buff.

>>53441706
>>53441672
>hitting on 2+
looking at the model, he has a fist and a power sword/relic blade, so if he wants to wound shit on 2+ he has to hit on 3's

Should I enjoy my last games of 7th with my DE or blood angels?

>>53441706
You think he wont have amazing weapons? For the posterboy of the new box set? Even if he is fixed wargear like the other Primaris, he's going to get the good shit, not a piddly power sword.

>>53441715
Oh i agress. it nice to have an alternative to termintor armour. People are just acting like he is OP as all hell, which is bull

>>53441282
They get held in place by the rest of it and can freely move for positioning, trust in the emperor anon.

>>53441729
You think the fucking SWARMLORD wont have better weapons than some random primaris captain?

>>53441715
This

My brother stopped playing after all the abominations that came after the 4th ed Tyranids. I just want to get overrun by cute space bugs again....

>>53441712
>I'm not fond of armour giving toughness upgrades, I should only have to deal with the bonuses your armour gives once, not in every phase of wounding.

Except the Gravis doesn't grant him a better Armour Save. Just +1 T

Marines have:
>Power Armour = 3+
>Articier Armour = 2+
>Terminator Armour = 2+, 5++, +1W
And now
>Gravis Armour =3+, +1T

>>53441715
Nids will do well this edition, I can feel it in my venom sacs

>>53441631
Actually I like them more now that I know that. I was wondering why they looked like astronauts, especially with no air intake. Now I know.

>>53441750
Where the fuck do I glue those little shits, Anon?

>>53441748
>From the workshop of Belisarius Cawl comes:
>THE WALK BIKE!

>>53441757
One man drop pods.

>>53441767
Under the claw scythes.

>>53441679
I bet this fucks are going to be undercosted

>>53441520
>arguments
Arguments that consist of calling things you don't like shitty stale reddit memes and the people you don't like niggers are not worth dignifying with a real response.

>>53441771
A hearty kek my good man

>>53441781
20 ppm is the current rumour, which is fucking costly.

>>53441771
>new shit half a year later
>primaris bikers in gravis armor
>basically ork warbosses on bikes but with tall the good marine stuff included and only half the point cost

>>53441771
>a space marine on a Segway that gives them +3 movement
>whole armies of giant marines in Cawl-ways
>Paul blarp's space mall cops

>>53441781
I bet you'll be sperging next community article too

>>53441632
well if you can't decide using fluff/aesthetic, consider gameplay. Do you want to play swarms or a small elite force?

>>53441779
I always used them as gonads.

Hi, can someone tell me the height of a Trygon and a flying Hive Tyrant (without wings, basically from the grounding part of the tail to its head)?

I want to buy a toolbox as a carrying case and need to know the height of the models.

>>53441799
Cawl Blart

>>53441679
Decent beat stick that gives rerolls to shooting attacks to your dudes around him. With 3+ shooting that's pretty good force multiplier.

>>53441809
Cool face came from 4chan, anon.

>>53441746
>>53441750
I'm hoping the statline for the Swarmlord is what we'll see for vanilla Tyrants. Big things might still be viable if all the 4 wound stuff is now 12.

Can't wait to see what the bigger 6 wound stuff is like. I always wanted to play/play against a 5 Tervigon list.

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>>53441680
Depend who I'm playing. Power should be nice for some games or introducing new players but if I get even the slightest whiff of WAAC fagitry it's points or GTFO

Do you reckon GW will reveal anything big at Warhammer Fest this weekend?

>>53441802
Ha same, i thoughtbi was the onlynone to do this

>>53441814
from what we have seen so far, most ICs give buff (see warboss )

>>53441735
I got it set up now, thanks anon.

This is actually a really well made model, I can see how to do this in two split assemblies for painting.

>>53441830
Considering my Gorkanauts have 18 wounds I'd high ball the real big bugs at 20 plus

>>53441771
>>THE WALK BIKE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA6GSD4OOkw

>>53441845
They pretty much said that'll be the case in the characters article. My poin is that's a really good aura for elite armies with already good shooting.

>>53441841
Morty I hope. Or better yet Sanguinius

>>53441809
>le trole face and le derp
These might be found somewhere on 1d4chan, but are not even close to representative of the site. It's mostly a repository for writing, art, and parody articles. Shitting on everything that 4chan used to do and calling it reddit because it's "stale" is pathetic.

>haters
You are the first person to use that phrase in this entire conversation.

>>53441845
Where did we see Warboss stats?

>>53441832
I mean yeah, it's all those things, but it came from 4chan.

>>53441841

The rest of the Death Guard and new Nurgle stuff.

>>53441776
That's metal as fuck. Blood angels are gonna love these guys.

>Ah ha, the enemy is directly below us!
>Quick brother, to the dropship!
>No time! Give me a jetpack, I'm going out the airlock!

>>53441864
Havent see the stats, have see the buff

>>53441800
>>53441795
20 point doesn't sound much all things consider.
But the poxwalker are 6 points if I recall correctly and their look way better than other cheap options

Right now points seem to be all over the place, oh well is not like this game is meant to be fair

>>53441641
He gained 3 wounds, so yes he did.

>>53441852
We can only hope anon. The bugs need some something special to happen this edition so we arent orc tier anymore

>>53441672
>this guy doesn't seem to have an invuln
did you miss the part where it literally says he has a 4+

>>53441878
20PPM for a 3+ T4 dude, even with 2 W is pretty fair, espcially in an an edition where loads of stuff does multiple wounds

>>53441880
If I can play vs a fluffy fooot slogging gaunt and MC horde with a foot slogging Ork horde with walkers this edition I'll die happy

>>53441871
I bet captain Titus had his hand in the making of these armors.

>>53441887
>says he has a 4+

He has an Iron Halo... like every SM Captain. Hell the model even HAS an iron halo modeled on it.

>>53441907
>Guilliman is watching Holodramas of Captain Titus.
>"Calgar," Guilliman bellows. "Bring me the codex astartes and a pen. I have a new chapter to write."

>>53441926
>MK X Gravis is a keyword
Oh for fuck's sake...

>>53441926
>hitting on 2+ will be a rare trait reserved for only the most skilled combatants!
>some rando captain who cawl just squeezed out of his tube hits on 2+
well that didn't last long

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>>53441899
>You know you're just proving yourself wrong right?
One link in three paragraphs is 2%. You are burning down the entire library because they have a book or two you don't like. Just because you personally think some words are old and nobody should be allowed to use it anymore doesn't mean that nobody should be allowed to use them.

>Time to go open MS Paint and make some more ebic maymays, eh?
Yes. Handcrafted OC is far better than the unrestricted shitposting that passes for "content" these days, and shaming people who create it is disgusting.

>You know, using the word "hate" as a verb. Which is inherently linked to ghetto culture.
"Hate" is listed as a verb in the 1828 edition of Webster's dictionary.

>>53441945
Universal keywords like bulky from 7th would be better IMO but this is fine, it will be used to control what transports they can use most likely.

>>53441937
SO, they dont have a rule that says they can fire both guns
Can everyone fire all thir guns now?

>>53441937
WE FLYIN

>>53441969
...That makes sense.

>>53441956
>morale will be a thing!
>casually give at least 2 armies a practical blanket immunity
This is the new GW! Same as the old GW.

>>53441970
yes

>>53441907
The Codex Astartes Approves of these actions

>>53441970
Thats the assumption. Otherwise why give them 2 identical guns in their wargear if they can only fire 1

>>53441937
Oh, I'm gonna have fun raping tau with these guys.

>>53441926
>>53441937
But what does atsknf do?

>>53441987
>2 armies a practical blanket immunity
make it 3 and a half, primaris have ATSKNF while nurgle zombies flat out ignore morale too

>>53441970
They mentioned in Tau focus that suits can now fire three weapons if they took them.

Assuming all models can shoot all weapons. (Which is stupid if Marines can Rapid Fire their Boltgun and squeeze off a shot with their pistols

>>53441217
Should I buy the FW Magnus or wait 3 months for a recaster?

>>53441990>>53441994


>Devistators firing lascannon and bolt pistol
>deathwatch shooting both bolt guns
My body is ready

>>53442007
Like it, buy it.

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How insane would it be to magnetize the arms of 30 eldar guardians so I can switch between regular/storm guardians?

And more importantly, is china resin (from Z) suitable for drilling?

>>53442005
>bolter in one hand, pistol in the other
>*Heavy breathing*

>>53442019
>not choosing superior black guardians

>>53442002
Convert fleeing into Wounds.

>you remove 2 Chadmarines and roll a 6, you got a 8. Normally you'd lose an entire Chad, but ATSKNF one Chad takes a wound.

>Yes ATSKNF doesn't help basic Marinelets anymore.

>>53441992
Boy I really hate shitposters like you.

Hate is a verb. It's always been an action.

>>53441992
>most if not all of the books contain garbage that I don't want to read.
If you hold that every trace of old 4chan is an abomination that must be destroyed that's your own fucking problem and nobody else's. Most people think nostalgically of the time when people would ORLY and SHOOP DA WOOP even if they accept that it's sort of retarded today.

>only you don't like it
Stop putting shit that people did not say into other people's mouths. Have some dignity.

>According to the general consensus of 1d4chan on this board, I don't think I'm alone.
Lots of people don't like it because they think that it encourages people to parrot views of 40k like how Abaddon is an armless failure or Ward is basically Hitler. Other people do very much like it because it archives a lot of /tg/ OC. You are the only one who accuses it of being reddit nigger shit.

>>53441852
I think 20 might be a bit high, but around 18 sounds right, if the 4+12, 6 might be 18.

Or at least I can hope. Knowing GW, 4 will actually be 8-10 and 6 will be 12-14.

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>>53441810
>>53441799
>>53441771
40,000 years in MS paint

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>>53441937
>'Crushing' charge
>Doing morta wounds for succesfully running into people

So the assault variants have weaponised obesety (crushing charge) on top of weaponised autism (can only use ranged weapons, are the most effective in CC by repeatedly running into a wall) Whahahahahaha

GW made it so easy to meme with these spacemarinespacemarines you almost start to think they did it on purpose. Top kek.

>>53441926
Does the aura effect himself?
A 2+ re-rolling 1s is pretty swank.

>>53441937
>2 Assault Bolters
Neat.

They have Fly too, so they can jump out of fights to shoot some more if they live.

Seems sort of like a Marine equivalent of Crisis Suits.

>>53442034
You forgot something :

>>"BLACKED.jpeg"

>>53442019
From experience, china resin in general is a bit brittle but should be find for drilling.

Now, drilling guardians in general is a bitch, since the arms are so small, so the brittleness inherent to the resin might give you some trouble. But it should definitely be doable. Just need to be patient and take it slowly.

>>53441801
Honestly even though the 2 armies are legit opposites i enjoy both options. I find the small elite fighting force attractive because of fewer models, money and way less painting

Are we going to get a seatbelt upgrade for transports?

>>53441992
Nigger of you don't like the articles then edit them. 1d4chan exists to be and has been helpful to players. If you think there's a problem then fix it

>>53442072
>A 2+ re-rolling 1s is pretty swank.
yeah but he only has 3 Manlett bolt pistol shots, which is less swan and more wank

>>53442072
Except they can only have Burst Cannons.

But yeah, they look pretty sweet. Poses are still kinds dumb

Can't wait for Assault Primaris Gravis Termis.

>>53442019
That's a lot of time/effort. Depends on how much you value your time, or enjoy magnetizing.
Only one way to find out.
Although with how small the models are, i'm not sure any plastic is going to be suitable for drilling.

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>>53442007
I wouldn't get a recast on something like a primarch. So many tiny details to miss cast, people will want to look closely at it, at least if you're into the hobby side pretty hard.

Otherwise if your just slapping on a three color minimum then I guess a recast is fine. vomits warp stuff

>>53442103
They are ap-1 burst cannons, which is fucking tasty.
the avergae squad kills 4 marines a turn, and 7 guard (+ battle shock)

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>>53442105
>Assault terminator variant
>Also holding nothing but ranged weapons

>tfw your dunecrawler doesn't have exhaust pipes because a tiny piece went flying when you were trying to glue them together
welp, whoever is inside that thing is gonna die

>>53442053
>Ward is basically Hitler

You'd think Cruddace would be Hitler. You know after committing two genocides against the Tyranids.

>>53442108
That is why you drill under cold water. To reduce the melting.

Hell I even work resin under water to prevent dust

>>53442105
This is a bad shitpost. You need to look at good ones. >>53442069 is a decent example

>>53442007
I always saw recasters as the Blockbuster Video of wargaming. If it's cheap, get it to take a look at it, and then if you like it, spring for the legit one.

>>53442073
>Make of that statement what you will.
What I make of it is that you're a thought policing shit eater who feels the need to police what's allowed based on what other websites do rather than on what 4chan has historically done.

>"1d4ddit". Have fun.
https://warosu.org/tg/?task=search2&search_text=1d4ddit&search_ord=old

100% shitposts. A term that first started being used in April of THIS FUCKING YEAR.

>Oh, so even if other people do share the same opinion, it doesn't count because it's a circlejerk.
I didn't say anything was a circlejerk. What are you even arguing? Can you try responding to what people say instead of the entertaining shit you make up and put in their mouths for once in your life.

>>53442128
It's not a shit post, it's a sincere wish.
Marines have long be held back by the Termi - Bike - Jump paradigm. Primaris Marines are breaking us out.

>>53442101
I was thinking more in close combat. I'm pretty sure the pistol part is just what you shoot while getting there.

>>53442103
>Except they can only have Burst Cannons.
And are jump instead of jet, so have shitier mobility.

The rules are pretty sweet. The models are a bit derpy.

>>53442157
Huh, missed that it wasent only ranged rolls
noice

>>53441994
Maybe it's only assault/pistol weapons? Who knows.

>Slugga boys n

>>53442101
Was thinking more about in melee.

>>53442103
Yeah. I really like the rules. Might have to look at alternative models/conversions though. As is they're pretty derpy.

>>53442127
>That is why you drill under cold water. To reduce the melting.
That's a cool tip. I would have never thought to try.

>>53441937
>>53442069
>they crash in to people with such force not even invulnerable saves can be taken
Reminds me about that post that said power creep would lead to loads of weapons ignoring armour and cover saves.

I expect they're going to have to introduce more FnP type super invulnerable saves to balance it out.

>>53442205
Fuck off cunt

>>53442157
>And are jump instead of jet, so have shitier mobility.

They can fly, do we know what that does yet?

>>53442072
>Does the aura effect himself?
He will have <chapter> keyword so yes.

Does Plasma Cannon worth taking in 8e ?

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Hah, told ya the Inceptors did a koopa stomp as melee.

>>53442212

They can drop out of combat no penalty and ignore terrain while moving

>>53442205
>Oh shit, I triggered the freedumbs cuck.
Freedom is a good thing.

>Do you generally have this selective of a focus of attention or do you only use it when you run out of arguments?
You ignored literally 100% of my response about it, which is at least twice as pathetic. And if you do search for 1d4chan, the results are a mix of people linking to it as a resource, speaking positively of it, and speaking negatively of it. But the only one who hates on it for being "reddit shit" is you.

>You basically said that it was people parroting each other.
I said that some individuals parrot what they find on 1d4chan on /tg/, causing other people to not like it. I have no idea what the fuck your response was supposed to achieve.

>>53442119
It's k, they don't have lungs to breathe in the smog anyways.

>>53442236
So they can leave, shoot and charge again?

we got a share for the audiobooks?

>>53442208
It's only on a 6, so every other charge they do a single mortal wound statistically speaking.

It would only take 36 game turns to kill a Morkanaut that way, if it is kind enough to walk out of combat each time and not kill the autismarines.

>>53442250
IIrc, in the Tau faction focus they said they could leave and still shoot, I don't think they can charge again.

On the other hand it was the Tau faction focus, they weren't every going to be charging. I guess we'll see when the rules drop.

>>53442250
Only shoot, not charge.

>>53442127
Filing resin underwater actually works?

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>>53442069
The memes write themselves.

>>53442281
Yep. All thou I use a dremel

>>53442265
I'm wondering if regular assault marines will get something similar for their hammer of wrath. Maybe just normal wounds instead of mortal ones.

>>53442247
Good point.

>>53442274
You are right. In the leaked movement phase rule page, it says units that fall back cannot advance or charge, and unless they have FLY, they cannot shoot.

>>53441568
So based on their name, are Inceptors supposed to be the first into combat (talking about fluff)? Inception means beginning or to create something I believe, so, fittingly for jet pack soldiers, these guys are probably meant as vanguard to soften up targets?

>>53442208
There will probably be some of those types of 'saves', but not as many add you might think. Age of Sigmar is pretty lethal, and they seem to be going that direction with 40k as well.

>>53442294
We already know striking scorpions do mortal wounds with their mandiblasters, which functioned similar to every-turn hammer of wrath previously.
I think this is the new hammer of wrath. But not all units that used to have it will have a rule for it.

>>53441622
>Unless they some how make Primaris so point prohibiting, marines are a dead faction
they seem to have, 3 interceptors is about the cost of a 5 man thousand sons squad. if the relative points stay about the same you'll be able to get a full 10 man squad of assault marines for that price.

>>53441859
Adeptus Mechanicus cry with pride.

>>53442116
Well current burst cannons puts out 4 shots per gun so it's a sidegrade.

>>53441859
New Skitarii assault transport.

>>53442019
Jesus just buy another squad.

>>53442336
3 inceptors have the same power as a Thousand Sons squad with upgrades. Power levels take upgrades into account.

>>53442305
>The vast majority of posts mentioning 1d4chan are under the context of someone referencing it as a resource followed by them getting shut down by fucking anyone with half a brain of common sense and/or knowledge
Not him but that only happens in 40kg and 40k threads, possibly because of the influx of /pol/lacks and /v/irgins dow3 caused

>>53441744
we know the swarmlords stats and they're better
he strikes at the same strength and AP. but hits on 2s, has 7 attacks and has D6 damage.

>>53442034 Ulthwe please go. I want barbaric Saim-hann kinsmen.

>>53442085
>>53442108
Gonna have to test the my magnets strength when I get the kits. But if it's enough to support magnets in the shoulder sockets and just metal pins in the arms it would make it all much easier.
I got a single wave serpent with over 20 magnets in it, so I should have both the patience, will and time to make it work

>>53442127
Sounds like a good idea, gonna try that next time.

>>53442308
Yes. They drop down from orbit as a sort of first strike force.

>>53442305
>rules and board culture
Don't conflate these. And yes, people do talk about metal boxes and cultist-chan to this day, which is on-topic and not against the rules.

>You sound an awful lot like daddy deprived you of attention as a kid.
If you're going to be a hypocritical shithead don't be surprised when people point out that people you're a hypocritical shithead. These are basic standards of debate.

>The vast majority of posts mentioning 1d4chan are under the context of someone referencing it as a resource followed by them getting shut down by fucking anyone
1d4chan is a poor source for canonical knowledge. People only ever get "shut down" for pointing to it as a first source for getting to know better about something. The vast majority of posts actually linking to 1d4chan are about something that was archived there.

>Maybe it's because what they're parroting is obnoxious garbage, as per the standard of 1d4chan.
I said as much in my first post about why many people didn't like 1d4chan. Why you jumped down my throat for it is beyond me.

>>53442464
>Based off of the major offense you took from an offhand comment I shall assume that it struck a nerve (or two).
You made an off-hand comment about how I ignored 50% of your post when you ignored 100% of my post. This was, to put it bluntly, faggotry. You could even characterize it as offensive to the standards of debate, if you wanted.

>And therefore because it's only shutting down lorefags using it as a source it doesn't count?
Nobody said anything about whether something "counts" or "doesn't count." Once again you have decided to argue against an entertaining parody of what people say instead of what they actually said.

People are allowed to like things. They are also allowed to not like things. They are even allowed to claim that everybody on /tg/ agrees that 1d4chan is "shitty stale reddit meme garbage", even if it's false. Lots of people don't like 1d4chan. The only person who pushes the 1d4ddit thing has been you and - as I learned from the archives thanks to your helpful suggestion - an unrepetant spamming shitposter.

>>53442265
It's for every model within 1" at the end of their charge.

So with their huge base I could get within 2/3 terminators each statistically doing two wounds, wiping out a terminator no saves allowed.

>>53442511
It's one wound per unit, not per model.

>>53442378
No.
I already got more guardians than I need, and I want a project to work on.

So thus far the factions that got shit on are Dark Eldar and Astra Militarum, right?

>>53442464
>The /pol/acks have been here forever. Agree with the /v/irgins though.
The /pol/lacks HAVE been here forever, but only recently there's been a spike of the more vocal ones who think /pol/ belongs everywhere

>>53442525
Oh.

Well ok that sounds pretty inconsequential then but it's still a bit harsh not allowed invulnerable saves, causing wounds regardless of toughness.

>>53442398
>I got a single wave serpent with over 20 magnets
Got to ask. Why so many? Pretty sure my fully customizable Rhinos only have 7
>2 for front, 1 for each side, 2 for top hatch, 1 for rear

>>53442545
Those are retarded redit babies, pls stop lumping us in the same bag, when Im on /tg/ Ill talk /tg/.
Oldfags know it. Nu/pol/ is the problem.

>>53442576
Not at all, it's just blatantly obvious when someone is a /pol/ shitposter who has no idea what they're talking about. Usually it's the same "le deuch vult xD" types, shits just annoying and, more importantly, against the rules.

>>53442542
nigger what

>>53441603
First of all, this is a primaris captain. Do not confuse him for the ACTUAL cheap vanilla captain. Second of all, captains have always had 2+ melee skill, this is not new.

>>53442545
There are old school /pol/acks and new /pol/ trumpfags.
The latter is the cancer. I can handle conspiracies and fascism when it isn't all for the purposes of promoting some walking meme, reality-tv, politician.

>>53442542
The Daemon article really didn't give them much besides
>Nerfing Summoning and nerfing Split.

>>53442542

How did IG get shit on?

Is that a dick or just a crotch depression in the dress

>>53442576
You mean like how everyone left of Regan is a marxist?

>>53442565
>In where?
The point, rather than the post. Which you have now, eight posts later, finally addressed, which finally makes it a moot point.

>this is little more than an internet shitfling and you know it.
You can fling as much shit as you like if it's in addition to some sort of actual response. When you do it in lieu of a response, it's retarded.

>And now you're just directly assuming I'm the 1d4ddit spammer?
Can you read the posts you respond to for once in your life? I said you AND the spammer, whose obvious reading is that you are two different people. Which apparently seems to be more credit than you deserve.

As for agreeing, you asked me to search for "1d4ddit" to prove that /tg/ hates 1d4chan. I assume that you meant to say that the results would be representative of /tg/.

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I really just need to stop coming here this time of day

>>53442620
I think it's because Battle Cannons are now the dirt cheap generic option, instead of the ebin marine killer they were before.

>>53442631
It's usually the best time, you just have to hope for a new thread right after the release so the the pre-preview shitposting gets left behing.

>>53442398
>20 magnets on a wave serpent

idk what you're doing but that's a bit much. i only put magnets on the turret of my wave serpent turned night spinner.

>>53442615
I have a twinge of the ole 'tism, glad the point still got across.

>>53442620
Well the only thing they revelaed on their faction focus was the new Leman Russ, which is statistically worse, is it not? It can use sponsons, I guess? Probably?

The rest of the article amounts to "trust us. it's all good!"

>>53442586
(not that anon, but) waveserpents have 5 heavy weapon options, all twinlinked, plus chin weapons and vehicle upgrades.

Although why you would want to magnatize a wave serpent, I have no idea, as the weapons fit snugly on the turret pegs.

And if he means falcon-to-wave-serpent magnets, then dear god man, why.

>>53442586
Well, I did the fins for transportation which is 12 magnets by themselves. Then there's the underslung weapons, removable turret with swappable weapons and one placed on the hull to place spirit stones/crystal targeting matrix (which I could have skipped)

>>53442638
IIRC, someone did the math and battlecannons are flat out better than lascannons against most (all?) things.
Its not as bad as people make it out to be, even if it is most definitely worse than before.

>>53442531
>I already got more guardians than I need, and I want a project to work on.
If it's just busy work, then go for it m8.

>>53442683
If he's talking about Weapons too. I could see 20. Thought he meant 20 in the vehicle body itself.

>>53442681
Chaos was even worse, not even a single statline or special rule just the the "everything will be awesome" speech.

>>53442681
orders go off automatically, commissars limit battlshock casualties (in an aura, no less) and frfsrf adds 1 to the rapid fire value, instead of +1 shot.
plus the leman profile itself, which is pretty good.

>>53442681

They revealed orders don't need a ld test to use. That's a big buff. You don't even know what their article states.

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Why is Mephiston Red actually garbage?
It paints incredibly inconsistently, and dries too quickly to fix.
I never have this problem with any of my other paints. Its just Mephiston.
Fix your shit GW

"Don't worry guys, Inceptors are jet infantry, not jump infantry."

>#Jump pack
>Mortal HoW

Welp, no chainsword and bolt pistol primaris for you guys.
Pistols aren't even pistols so Seraphim get a one-up in combat.

>>53442720
This is because it was the first one.
then everyone complained it was fucking nothing and they got better since then.

>>53442728
Because Khorne red is objectively better.

>>53442701
>>53442681
>>53442701
>IIRC, someone did the math and battlecannons are flat out better than lascannons against most (all?) things.
Yeah, but if Russes cam with a Lascannon as their main gun, I'd be a bit disappointed.

Like previous ed's it's going to come down to point cost.

Everything getting split fire is definitely a boon for squadrons though. It'll be interesting to see the new rules for them.

>>53442721
>>53442727
Early questions on fb said Orders would be represented by things called "doctrines".

Now we know what doctrines are, it's obvious orders are gonna cost CP and be usable once per turn.

That's Not better

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>>53442746
>Yeah, but if Russes cam with a Lascannon as their main gun, I'd be a bit disappointed.

>>53442728
I've never had a problem with Mephy.
Multiple thin coats.

>>53442773
Thats a Twin linked lascannon, which is twice as good

>>53442701
>>53442746
Depending on whether Predators are still "medium tanks" to the Leman "heavy tanks", they might well be far better

>>53442773
Hence why literally no-one has ever taken one of these. If I wanted a Predator but a bit more durable and way more expensive, I would club myself to death because clearly I'm a fucking retard.

>>53442797
Wow...WAAC much?

>>53442773
Well that's three lascannons isn't it? Pretty sure that'll be better than the battle cannon against armour

I'm a little concerned that the battle cannon looks to be better (on average) against armour than a melta gun so I'm a bit worried about what they'll do with vanquisher

>>53442741
I started with khorne and loved it, but all my friends were like "MEPH IS BETTER TRY IT TRY IT"
>>53442782
Regardless of how many coats I do, my brushstrokes still show up

Daily reminder that I2 ork meme fags are eternally BTFO

>>53442773
Literally twice as good as a lascannon turret.
Also I'd still probably take something else.

Guard don't really lack for places to get lascannons.

>>53442814
>my brushstrokes still show up

You seriously need tho thin your paints.
Not memeing.

Necrons are gonna be unkillable, aren't they?

>>53442808
That's like going "Wow, you don't want to take Rough Riders? What a fucking WAACfag"

It's a bullet sponge that costs more than a predator and will be ignored because i's just a worse Vanquisher.

>>53442728
Also never had this issue.
Could be mixing poorly.
Try adding something to your paint pot- either water or a pebble.

>paint two SC skitarii
>two more to go
I-I can't go on

>>53442837
The question is, how will they kill anything?

>>53442768
The guard article flat out said orders are still in, but take effect automatically now.

>>53442865
Who cares, they will sit on objectives and win

>>53442867
To be fair, you both seem rather insufferable

>>53442867
>>53442778
Can you two faggots either talk about 40k or fuck off?

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>>53442873

>>53442875
unfortunately they didn't also say what they are. :/ it made me sad.

>>53442873
back to letting the enemy allocate hits eh? time to save those characters and special weapons for last then

>>53442383
>>>53442336
>3 inceptors have the same power as a Thousand Sons squad with upgrades. Power levels take upgrades into account.
And a TS squad will Shrekt them

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>>53442893

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>>53442005

>>53442852
>paint 40 gaunts
>60 more to go

>>53442903
I'm cool with it. I always preferred the
>Pick up the heavy weapon and keep shooting
idea to
>no one else in the squad knows how a melta gun works

>>53442941
51/120 boyz in, over here myself

>>53442867
>I accused you of casually neglecting half of the search terms I mentioned. Do you even read before posting?
And, in my very next response, I addressed the other half of the search terms. We then discussed 1d4chan. You didn't get back to the 1d4ddit for fifty minutes, making you a hypocritical shithead.

Oh wait, this is the internet, where deliberately being a hypocritical shithead for the sole purpose of irritating other people is de rigueur. I must have forgotten.

>I'm asking you to actually read into the various arguments and discern for yourself whether or not 1d4chan is cancer
Your position has been continually evolving over time. You started by declaring 1d4chan, and most old 4chan memes, "stale reddit shit," and claimed that basically all of /tg/ that wasn't niggers, cuckolds, and redditors believed the same.

Now it's "cancer," which itself is an old 4chan meme, and an argument that has some truth to it. And if you'd asked that at the beginning instead of spouting inflammatory garbage and pretending to be retarded in order to bait replies, you would have never gotten one.

>>53442055
Only reason I said 20 was because I'm pretty sure one of the articles said the big bugs had 20 or more wounds

>>53442941
Iktf with guardsmen.

>drop 10 primaris interceptors down behind ANY troops unit
>fire 60 (sixty) heavy bolter shots into the back of them
>turn them into a red mist
wtf i love primaris marines now

>>53442961
iirc the article said they have up to 12, which was disheartening.

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>>53442911
>Mortal wounds spill over

>>53442852
>paint four Marines
>84 more to go
>not counting terminators, dreads, rhinos, ect

If I pick up the new starter box and paint the marines like salamanders would that be way too much green?

Maybe another chapter would be better.

>>53442828
Again, looking at that battlecannon, I believe that it'll be the cheapest gun.

>>53442955
>i addressed it after i got called out for not addressing it
This is supposed to be a good thing?

>ur just a trole!
I find it interesting how you're so prone to attempting to dismiss your opponent's argument via buzzword only to keep going, as if you actually enjoy this.

>1d4chan is stale reddit shit
Correct
>most old 4chan memes are stale reddit shit
Wrong. I said the ones that had been claimed by reddit and 9gag are stale reddit shit. Image macros, rage comics, lolcats etc.
>all of /tg/ that isn't human trash believes the same
Wrong. Plenty of poorly informed newfags around here who are decent posters think the site is good.
>all of 1d4chan is cancer
Correct. You mean it took you this long to realize that this was the basis of my entire argument and the humor thing was just a supporting point?

>>53441217

These chads better be really fucking expensive. Honestly, every subsequent stat leak is just making them seem like hotter slabs of beef.

Chads are going to need to cost at least double their classic marine counterpart for what they're bringing to the table.

>>53442975
It was "at least a dozen"

>>53442905
>And a TS squad will Shrekt them
Inceptors DS within 18"
6 shots each. For 18 total
3+ to hit and 3+ to wound
Rubrics have a 3+ save (Dust counters AP)

2.6 (round down to 2) rubrics dead.

Assume Rubrics got within rapid fire.
9 shots (4 guns +1 pistol)
3+ to hit, 5+ to wound, with a 5+ save
1.3 (round down to 1). Factor in Smite for another 1.

1 Incessor dead.

So 2 Rubrics in any scenario vs 1 Incessor in optimal for the Rubrics
2/5 is 40%, 1/3 is 33%

Honestly this fight favors Incessors imo.
>They DS, so they can engage first.
>If they DS at the 18" line, the Dust Bins can't even fight back.

>>53442967
Bet they would expensive as fuck.

>>53442975

swarmy has twelve wounds

they said over a dozen, which can mean anything from 13 to infinity, but judging by how things have been going so far I'd say the smart money is on 16~18 wounds

>>53442988
We have yet to see a single weapon with multiple mortal wounds in what would be the damage stat.
its either "inflict d3/d6 mortal wounds on the unit" or "heavy 2d3, this gun inflicts mortal wounds"
the only time this would be *actual* spill over would be something with a multiple damage value thats like "on a 6 this wepaon deals moral wounds instead of normal damage".

In practice, this doesnt matter.

>>53443027

Also hellblasters seem like real gay shit.

>>53443027
>Chads are going to need to cost at least double their classic marine counterpart

I don't think so.
They're not two Marine tough in multi wound edition, and they're not two Marine dakka either.

>>53442961
For large models it said over a dozen for TMCs and Knights had over 20.

>>53443000
you have 88 marines? Why?

>>53442988
I don't mind that as much.

>Bloodthrister of Insensate rage sweeps his axe through a squad of guardsmen
>only 3 get killed and it stops just short of the other 7

>>53443075
Oh my fault

>>53443083

Because regular marines are going to need guard numbers now. And guard are going to need double guard.

>>53443020
This is likely the case.

Keep in mind that everyone is trying to compare 7th edition pie plate battlecannon to 8th edition battlecannon. Clearly the role of the weapon has changed.

People need to stop thinking in terms of 7th. The battlecannon is now good at single targets and small numbers of elite/multiwound infantry.

it ranges from the same as a lascannon (t8 2+ in cover) to twice as good as a lascannon (t7 or lower, 5+ or worse) against multiwound targets, and lascannons are pretty damn good in 8th edition.

>>53442555
You need to have a shot of sigmar
Units get fucking slaughtered wholesale in most combats even in 1000 point games
I fucking love my Carnosaur but good lord Crypt Horrors give me nightmares

>>53443042
They have the same PL as Rubrics.

Using 7e, the most you can get a 5man Rubric squad would be around 180pts with full upgrades.

So 50-60ppm for Incessors?

>>53443114
I mean why do you have specifically 88?

>>53442834
Its only Meph that I have this problem with, and its thin as hell. I only use water to thin though

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>>53443114
So, now i need another 100 boys?

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>>53442893
this rolling sequence will cause problems now with weapons dealing multiple damage

>4 lascannon shots hit and wound tyranid warriors
>damage for each shot is 1,1,3,1; in this order
>by rolling the dice together you kill 2 warriors
>by rolling the damage dice one by one you kill only 1 with 2 wounds left to the second warrior

what do?

Man these guys are tough!

A 7E exterminator could only pick off one of these marines per turn average.
4 twin linked Autocannon shots->3 hits
3 hits->2 wounds
4+ save ->1 damage average
9 heavy bolter shots->4.5 hits
4.5 hits->2.25 wounds
4+ save->~1 damage average

In retaliation, their 6 heavy bolter pistol things can knock off a third of a russes health! Of course we outrange the marines enough to kill 2 of them by the time they're in range, but the obvious answer to that is the deep strike.

I. Need. My. Techpriests!

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Brand new player learning the rules here. I'm still trying to figure out the assault phase. I'm getting confused where I have two separate squads assaulting the same target. After all my guys charge in and resolve their attacks, does the target get a free counter attack against both seperate squads?

>>53443124
It's just off that it pretty much takes the Vanquihsers job. What sets apart the Vanquisher as a heavy hitter against a single target when the battlecannon is exactly the same thing? If the battlecannon was D6 auto-hits (To represent the pie-plate scattering away from the middle of a unit) then it would be a good weapon. But D6 shots, half of which will miss, is ass.

>>53443126
Are they really that good?
I just started FECs myself.

>>53442555
but in 6th we had the problem of stacking saves/invuls/feel no pain/jink and it made deathstars unkillable

to say nothing of the bitching everyone did about necron wraiths

>>53443149
It can't be thin if you're leaving brush stokes.

The new wound chart is kind of fucking up some of the classic granularity which I think is largely a boon for T3 armies but it's still odd.

Guardsmen fight marines and inceptors like they're the same thing (wound both on a 5+) with their lasguns. However, the plasmagun in the squad still gets hot, now only wounds against T4 or greater on a 3+.

Are we simply seeing standard weapons play a different role?

>>53443039
That is likely an even trade in points tho.

And that next turn you lose another 2 rubrics and kill another marine, and that likely by turn 3 one of them finishes off the other.

All for 2 units that have the same power rating. Who knew

>>53443066
I expect 18-20 points for the basic primaris marines

>>53443143

Not that poster, just saying it's probably true.

>>53443152
Roll to hit/wound.

Roll damage 1 at a time, if a model dies, apply further damage roll to next model, if not, apply to that model until dead.

Repeat for all successful wounds

Of course, then then also have to take armour saves for every bit of damage, so it's a clusterfuck.

>>53443167
the person with the highest initiative fights first in 7th

the unit you've targeted would get to fight back once, but you would be able to choose who the wounds were allocated to from your squads

>>53443167
each unit attack once in each turn unless specified otherwise

>>53443114
I am looking forward to Skitarii. All they need to do is NOT CHANGE TOO MANY THINGS and they'll be superb, they already suit this edition of reduced herohammer down to the ground. We'll have more dudes and better guns than Marines and we can actually take saves now. The slaughter is going to be magnificent.

.... Please, GW, don't fuck over my only army. I just found a hobby I like with cool dudes to play with.

>>53443152
I think that you allocate each wound one at a time, roll for damage, and then allocate the next one. Cause damage is done after the armor save, so it's already allocated to a single model.

>>53443213
>And that next turn you lose another 2 rubrics and kill another marine, and that likely by turn 3 one of them finishes off the other.

Except the injured Rubrics won't on average kill a second Incessor. But remove a Wound. And again in my example below. Odds are good that the Marine player can kill 2. Take zero casualties, kill 2 more and Assault the Sorcerer to finish him off.

Tho Rubrics wouldn't be the Incessors primary target. They're there for horde control.

>>53443127
No way man, people would spam them everywhere if they are that cheap. I think they will be atleast 90 - 120pt.

>>53443204
At this point, its more water than paint. It puddles up, and still fucking shows my strokes.
Fuck Meph.

>>53443233
22-24, Toughness is too valuable a stat