MTG New Cards

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And another

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And again

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Cute token though

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>>53426469
>>53426458
Oh baby

Also

>yfw maybe Nix gets a card

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All the dragons

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And last one.

HNNNNNNG

>>53426458
First thought that comes to my mind is five color Commander pre-mades

>>53426493
>>53426501

>Cat Dragons
Sure why not.

>>53426618
I don't think they'll all be 5 colour but wizards have confirmed there's only going to be 4 and they aren't going to follow a colour cycle since they're tribal this time round

>>53426493

This one's name makes me feel they're fake.

>>53426458
Commander 2017

And this deck is 5-color dragons.

My dick is diamonds.

>>53426458
memory issues, improper formatting
>>53426469
keywording a single card as the other commanders clearly don't have it
>formatting is wrong

Pretty sure these are fake.

>>53427109
it seems clear that each deck will have 1 commander with Eminence that does something while it's still in the command zone, Ur-dragon looks like the 'main' commander for the precon

>>53427109
Maybe, but the memory issue isn't something out of the realm of possible while the keyword can be a "one by pre-made deck" as they already did in previous commander release and all those must be in a single dragon themed deck.

Admittedly, eminence seem to be effects that applies from the command zone, which I thought they had learned not to do.

So I would personally be a bit more prudent and say maybe fake.

> Adding support for a tribe that absolutely doesn't need it

These Commander decks were a mistake. First year I probably won't buy one

>>53426973
Oh, that's pretty weird. I hope they don't mark the price up on single decks.

>>53426458
I seriously wish it was fake, but unfortunately I don't believe it is.
>the Kamigawa legend is a fucking joke
At least they hit the flavor

>>53426541
>steel helkite
YEAH BOY! Honest to god my favourite Dragon.

>>53427109
I do t think it has memory issues. You'd be hard pressed to forget who attacked you and even if you're that guy with memory issues, the table will often collectively remember enough to straighten it out.

>>53427398
Well he is OP for his cost

>>53427048
Nope. She's actually in several of the older mtg novels. Time Spiral, Colors of Magic, Assassin's Blade, Champion's Trial, and Emperor's Fist.

>>53427048
Nope. She's from several of the older MtG novels.

>>53427502
fukken post not going through and then going through after you've tried to post again

>>53427398
It feel like they print it every year in commander product.

>>53426830
>Cat monkeys
>cat snakes
>cat dragons
CAT EVERYTHING!

>>53427398
One of the few ways black can cope with enchantments.

>>53427489
I don't remember her from color of magic. I guess it has been a while though.

>>53427336
>getting butthurt that they're putting tribes people like in products and not your shitty special snowflake pet tribe

>>53427336
>tfw want shapeshifter to be one of the tribes
>it won't be
some tribes are popular, others aren't. can't knock WotC for playing to their audience.

>>53427587
That's because she's not in Colors, she's in Monsters of Magic.
They put out a bunch of anthologies at the time and sometimes it's hard to tell them apart, I can't blame the other person for mixing them up.

>>53427748
ah. makes sense. I only remember her from the bolas trilogy, I'd completely forgotten her timespiral cameo until the other anon mentioned it.

>>53427336
Well, to each is own, I guess. I didn't buy any of the 2016 one because 4 color is a boring fucking way to play to me. and I like tribal.

Dragons aren't for me, tho. I really hope for some Jund Goblins.

5C DRAGONS
5C SLIVERS
5C ALLIES
5C ELEMENTALS
IDS HABBEDIGN

>>53426458
>Legendary Spirit doesn't have spirit synergy
God damn it. At least there's a commander for the Spirit deck I wanted to make.

>>53426458
>guy they said was too powerful to represent on a card is just a 6/6 with a conditional ability

>>53428020
Enough people have been whining to Maro about getting more Kamigawa representation in supplemental products that he probably mentioned it to someone, but he doesn't personally work on the supplemental sets and precons.

>>53427963
oh god kill me
>5c Slivers
that's going to be such a shitshow on top if it happens.

>>53426458
>most power Kami on the plane
>can literally annihilate mortals by existing near them
>6/6 flying trample with a meh ability
>no synergy with Spirits/Arcane

It's true what they say. Never meet your heroes. O-Kagachi was better never existing in card form

>>53428020
To be fair, he would be too powerful to represent in his most powerful state.

But this is O-Kagachi who lost That Which Was Taken, which is why he's not indestructible. He's only acting if you attacked him, and he can destroy anything, even Konda.

To be honest, I think this card hits every nails on the head for the flavor, quite the opposite of Ludevic

>>53427568
Cat dragons in mtg lore are old as fuck, neat to finally see one printed

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Last spoiler before crackdown

>>53426458
I guess they're doing 5-color commanders. I would've been content with a mono-color commander with the other colors in their activated abilities, similar to General Tazri, except one could have multiple activated abilities.

It seems like the decks are about pure theme rather than color. One of the decks is dragons.

>>53428145
I don't think they're doing 5-colors. I think they'll split between colors. The Dragons will probably be the only 5-color deck. atleast it's what I suspect

>>53428060
>straight up loses in a fight to the unspeakable
>Kuro pitlord just makes him his bitch
I want to give them some credit for making him a card, >>53428063 makes some valid points. But honestly this is just underwhelming.

>>53428143
we door to nothingness combo now

Also, another card Matey OP forgot

Yeah five color tribes
Dragons
Slivers
Spirits
Wizards
And of course gods

>>53428312
There'll be only 4 decks though.

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>>53428263

>>53428312
Spirits won't be one, because O-Kogachi ended up in the Dragon deck

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>>53428184
>o-kagachi, the greatest kami, who makes entire battlefields simply disappear
>he's a fucking 6/6 basic bitch
yeah, underwhelming is a good word, although I honestly don't know what they could have done to live up to the hype. he'd have to be some progenitus level bullshit to come close.

>>53426458
>kami is only a 6/6
>meanwhile emerekl is 13/13

really makes you think.

>>53428400
i mean, hexproof or indestructible, or even indestructible if he has a divinity counter (which might've been questionable design with no way to get one built in, but a nice head nod to both the myojins and that which was taken) could have gotten across a little bit more of his presence. 6/6 for six mana with abilities on top is strong, but a bigger body would've gone a long way too.

>>53428462
>wotc ceo: how do we make kamigawa weeaboos more salty?
>r&d guy: say no more

fuck the weeb dragons
where the elder dragons and invasion dragons at

>>53428400
There's also the fact that he's originally from Kamigawa, back when 6/6 would have been a pretty big deal, not the biggest, but big enough. There's also the fact that he can exile permanents. We didn't start to see this 10/10 or 15/15 bullshit until Shards of Alara in the earliest and then eventually Zendikar. There is Marit Lage, but Marit Lage is just... Marit Lage, the 20/20 crazy fuck from Ice Age.

i really dont believe any of these

>>53428505
O-Kogachi enters the battlefield with a divinity counter.
Remove a divinity counter from O-Kogachi: Exile all nonland permanents target player controls.

Yes, intentionally doesn't have indestructable or hexproof, even with the divinity counter missing, due to flavor reasons. Still has the 'don't piss me off' thing going on because he can only wipe ONE player, and that's his protection - if you try to kill him, your shit is gone. Or you can just remove it to take out someone's way-too developed board but then he's just a generic fatty.

>>53428549
>Invasion dragons
we got their dad instead.

>>53428582
They're on mythicspoiler if that means anything for you.

>>53428552
You seem to forget the 10/10 in The Dark, the 11/11 in Ice Age and the one in Starter 99, the 12/12 in Mirage, the 13/13 in Legions, the 10/10 in Mirrodin, the 9/8 in Darksteel...or the cards in Kamigawa block proper, where 6/6 was NOT that big for a big fat fatty. Even rarity wasn't a thing, considering the sizes shit got in Onslaught block two blocks prior.

>>53428752
he's not entirely wrong, 5/5 was large in kamigawa. all the dragons from champions were 5/5s, and the myojins float around there. Kodama of the north tree was a bruiser at 6/4. however, there were bigger. 8/8s, plural, and 8/* and 7/* guys even at uncommon. plus kuro pitlord, mentioned above tipping the scales at 9/9 and honorary mention to genju of the realms as a sometimes 8/12.

>>53428400
Yup. I'd have loved a decent 5 colour spirit for a spiritcraft deck, but what we've got is massively underwhelming.

It's a weak card overall, doesn't do a good job of representing what you'd expect from O-Kagachi from the lore and Final Judgement, and is just rather boring.

>>53427502
>>53427489

Just looked it up. You're both right.

Weird that it's not Washitora.

I'm actually quite happy with what I've seen from this commander deck so far. But with all the fliers, how will the other decks cope?

>>53427963

I'd take that. I already have Allies and Dragons made.

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>>53428549
At least one Invasion dragon is in there, they just forgot to post all the pics.

>>53428839
By not being saddled with a 5C mana base (with precon lands) and a curve that starts at 5

>>53426501
Don't tokens usually have something in the border to indicate their color? Granted I can't call any tri-colored tokens to mind, at least not any that had official tokens printed.

>>53428839
with the sheer volume of dragons we've seen, and the variety of colors, the entire rest of the deck is probably mana fixing and the deck is just going to sit around trying to not be mana fucked for 5-6 turns before it drops a single dragon that gets fucking plummet'd

>>53428857
So I buy this deck and I have generals for a lifetime.

>>53428899
tricolor+ image wrapping is always gold.

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>>53428915
The deck always has the option to reduce it's curve by putting the Ur-Dragon in the command zone, and I'm pretty sure we'll see either pic related or the smaller one from Dragons of Tarkir in the deck.

And the left land here >>53426541 seems to be Sandsteppe citadel, which could mean the manabase won't be that terrible.

>>53429053
Yeah, I just remember the 8/8 Naya beast token and looked it up. Cat Dragon token looks legit.

>>53429034
Well, you'll be missing some color combos, but basically yeah.
So many legendary creatures.

>>53429070
>double red in five color

>>53429096
As I said, might get the 1R guy instead. Also,

>Dragon tribal
>not centered in red

>>53429145
This deck is going to be a huge mess, is what it's going to be.
Either it sputters out and can't do shit, or it spits out a billion dragons and burns everything down with sheer weight of flying fatties.

>>53429189
So, exactly what the target demographic wants?

>>53429189
I'm pretty sure this deck was designed to be torn apart. Or to have Scion be the actual commander.

>>53427579
Shh! MaRo will hear you!

>>53428400
He should have been an 8/8 at the very least, because Yamato no Orochi and all.

>>53429189
>it spits out a billion dragons and burns everything down with sheer weight of flying fatties

Yes, that is what Dragon Tribal does. It's great.

>>53427336
There's only a handful of new cards that are made for each deck, so Homarid Tribal would only get like 10 tribal cards to it.

I just hope they avoid Jombies and Elves, they've both pretty much been done to death

>>53428063
It's not that it isn't flavorful, it just.. lacks a punch.

Imagine if he had "When O-Kagachi attacks a player, if that player attacked you since you last turn, exile all nonland permanents that player controlls."

It fits the retribution thing, calls back to that one Exile boardwipe, and remind you that this is the Kami that would've made an entire world his bitch.

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>>53428356

Nice.

>5 color decks

Called it fuckers. Now I wait for my 5 color slivers deck

>>53429902
Yeah, that would have been much better. Or like, Legacy Weapon stapled to a big fat monowhite body.
As is, it's WB with a bunch of other colors tacked on literally just to have a five color spirit commander...except it's also been shoved in the dragon deck so all it does for spirits is exist as a commander with the tribe and colors.
Krond the Dawn-Clad, some noname shit from fucking planechase, is less restricted then the highest of kami. And the same size. And only two colors. No nonland restriction, exile goes off on attack instead of combat damage, no restriction for having been attacked, restriction is instead 'play voltron with me'

>>53428312
>>53430357
>>53427963
Source???

Man I hope if these are all 5C decks I hope one of them is something stupid and out of left field, like Minotaurs or something.

>>53430467
Right now, none

it's just speculation. I personally don't believe we will have 4 5C decks,

slivers fags are the worst

>>53427604
Skeleton Tribal FUCKING WHEN

>>53430705
I'm not sure there are enough skeletons in all of magic to even make a skeleton tribal deck, even if the last two decks get zero new cards.
And even then, you'd just have a bunch of small regenerators.

>>53430817
That was also the case with Werewolves before Innistrad.

Fuck, even dwarves got a lord in Kaladesh.

>>53430891
Yes, but my point is it's not going to be possible in one of these decks, especially not with the limited number of new cards they've stated are in the whole thing (like usual)
It WOULD be nice to get a few sets where skeletons are the black fodder race instead of zombies but they like zombies too much.
...wow skeletons are fucked, I just looked them over. Best ones are in non-monoblack, best overall is probably fucking gravetroll, most of it is 2 power or less generic regenerators. 44 total, but 10 of those have colors other than black, one's white/black, most of the monoblack is chaff...

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Cat Dragon is cute! CUTE!

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>>53431081

Yes they are.

>>53431159
Wasitora has been a character since 2002.

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What I really wanna see is the manabase for the Dragon deck. I imagine half of the deck is mana dorks/rocks that can generate any color.

>>53430705
China was a mistake.

>>53432382
Signets, cluestones/banners, talismans, all ten trilands. Evolving Wilds/Terramorphic Expanse, Ancient Ziggurat, all five Vivids, Command Tower, whatever new land gets shoved in all five decks, Darksteel Ingot and Coalition Relic, maybe Borderposts...
Don't see them having many actual manadorks honestly, since those will mostly be in green. A few, but not many. The Myr, perhaps.
Maybe the invasion dragon Attendants and the parts of Ramos?

>>53428632
All they had to do was give him a divinity counter if he tagged a player that hit him

>>53432382
>49 dragons
>50 basic lands

>>53426458
>get Ludevic last year
>absolute shit-tier card that doesn't represent what we've been expecting since he was first referenced way back in Innistrad
>finally get O-Kagachi after an even longer span of time
>we get this insult

Whoever is designing these high profile legendaries should really be dragged out back behind Wizards headquarters and beaten to death with an oar

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>>53426493
>>53426501
>cat dragon
Nargacuga?

>>53432675
"Be careful with what you wish for."

>>53432675
Ramos is amazing though and he's from fucking Mercadian Masques.

>>53432830
Technically he's from the Brother's War, a Phyrexian dragon engine that Urza hijacked and only later ended up on Mercadia.

>>53432830
yeah, his art is really terrible considering his origin. Looks like they had some leftover Scars of Mirridon art that they decided to reuse.O-Kagachi doesn't look great either but that could just be the shitty resolution

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This one just showed up on mythic spoiler

I have a jeskai prowess deck that might like a copy of him

>>53432920
I was bitching before that they aren't allowed to do interesting art anymore. It's depressing.

>>53426458

See, watch me make this shit card cool in one move:

>if that player attacked you during his or her last turn, exile all permanents that player controls.

Done. Send me my check as a private message, MaRo.

I guess I can't fault Wizards that much, they could be employing somebody like this >>53433026

>>53428356
Focus the art on Taigam u fucks REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53428143
Seems decent in a degenerate combo deck to loop infinite casting to create a massive fatty.

>>53432382
From what we saw with the artifact deck last year with no red in it, I am assuming an absolutely putrid mana base because all the commons and uncommon slots will be used for spells.

>>53433423

You can only use it once per turn.

>>53432920
>>53432830
Ramos doesn't look anywhere close to designs from Urza/Mercadia era and it's worrying. It looks like we are finally going to get some improtant lore characters (please, Belbe for fuck's sake), but modern and generic.

>>53433515
Deadeye Navigator+Large Master Biomancer=Infinite mana with Ramos.

>>53428356
Am I bad at evaluating cards, or is this card extremely good?

>>53434444

There are easier ways to combo with Deadeye, though.

>>53434636
>3/4 for 4, no evasion, no protection
>has to attack to do ANYTHING but no haste
>Rebound in a multiplayer game - lol better hope whatever you cast is still relevant after everyone else takes their turn
It's not BAD... but it ain't that good. If it's good it's only because the instants and sorceries you're rebounding we're good in a vacuum. (treasure cruise or whatever)

>>53434636
He's outrageously good. Just looking at him now, I want to see him banned before the decks even come out.

>>53435166
>has to attack to do ANYTHING but no haste
did u read the card

>>53432936
was wondering when this guy would get an actual creature card, since he was mentioned on cards in both timelines.

ironically he's far better than Narset, the Walker who's superior to him in the plot.

>>53432936
Ohhh shit his one ability is raid. DEEPEST LORE!

>>53434636
>>53435166

I think he's great in a control shell. Probably not as good as Grand Arbiter, but much less annoying to the other players, so he won't draw as much hate.

Also, could he see play in Legacy? I think it might be possible as a 1-2 of.

>>53435874
Yeah I was considering him as a top end Legacy card, I'm not too familiar with the format, I don't know shit about EDH.

>>53435912
MFW I got all excited for him in my Prowess/Monk deck but forgot he wont be modern legal and there may be an an unspoken rule among my friends that we are playing modern.

>>53428831
My guess is Wasitora is also from Peter Adkinson's d&d campaign and they didn't speak good japanese back then. :P

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>>53426458
I want these to be real so badly. The only thing that makes me question their authenticity is that in the cost for the kami, instead of having the old (1) for colorless mana, wouldn't it be the new waste symbol? Pic related.

>>53436618
The new symbol is meant for colorless cost that specifically needs colorless. They still use the old (1) for 1 mana of any color. See the costs of new Eldrazi for this.

>>53436656
Ah, I see.

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>>53436672
Even the things that had C in their mana cost had generic costs as well.

>>53436774
So do we have any guess what the other decks' mana costs are going to be? Do we think they're all going to be 5 color?

>>53436815
Depends on the tribes they're going for.

We've got Dragons, probably Humans (Taigam), and most likely Zombies, Elves/Merfolk, and Angels.

Other potentials are Eldrazi (lolno), Elementals, Demons, Goblins, Clerics, or others.

>>53436815
Wizards said that they're not gonna do a color cycle so who the fuck knows

>>53436815
The only thing we know for sure is that we aren't getting Five Color Spirits, since O-Kagachi is in the dragon deck. Likely not Spirits at all, in fact.
At least one of Elves and Goblins is likely, almost certainly tricolor, just due to popularity. Fourth deck is a huge uncertainty.
It's unlikely they'll all be five-color. The only thing tying the decks together are that they're tribal decks. It's still possible that one or all of the remaining decks are five color, mind you, it's just unlikely.
None will be types that have extremely limited numbers of creatures to work with. There's only sixty someodd new cards being split between all four decks, and Dragons already has five shown. They aren't going to use a bunch to fill out an underrepresented tribe, and instead will go for a popular one that they can reprint stuff with. Even if it's just a shitload of rares, as seen with Dragons.
>>53436932
Taigam's part of the Dragon deck. He's in there for the 'dragons can't be countered' part of his abilities. All the cards were from one deck.
Humans might still be possible, though, it's just Taigam won't be part of that deck. Classes are also a possibility - we could get Warriors or Soldiers or something.

>>53436932

Wizards is a big tribe that's been dormant for some time but with a couple of hints here and there like Docent of Perfection.

They could do unsupported tribes like Viashino or Vedalken, but feels unlikely.

Maybe Rats? Since that has a couple of cards already but is pretty unsupported, not unlike dragons.

>>53436932
Angels would probably be in the human tribal, since angels generally act as human lords and don't effect other angels.

Been a while since we've seen slivers so I wouldn't be surprised to see them again.

>>53427336
Hey at least if it's dragon tribal they're unlikely to shit up legacy with it.

>>53427109
Surest sign that they're real is that the imgur account that posted them got immediately taken down.

>>53428857
They aren't going to reprint the whole cycle, but man I'd like to see Darigaaz.

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If they put the zodiac dragon in it, I will be eternally grateful to them

>>53439647
Ah, Portal: Three Kingdoms. The most retarded decision that Wizards ever made...

>>53439647
Did this get Errata'd, or does that actually do what it reads like?

>>53439663
Oracle card text: "When Zodiac Dragon is put into your graveyard from the battlefield, you may return it to your hand."

>>53439679
thank fuck

so there's already gonna be a new expansion? I feel like amonkhet was just a month or two ago.

>>53426493
>>53426501
This looks like she and her kittens would be right home in my Kresh deck

>>53436965
They said one of the tribes is going to be unusual, so we have that. I personally think that elves aren't going to be a thing, since we already have a commander elven tribal precon, with Freyalise. But WotC can shoot their foot by doing another, this time multicolored.

>>53439866
This is outside the standard rotation.
The next standard thing is going to be the aztec thing, Ixatlan iirc.

>>53426458
My thoughts are that even if these are real, Scion of the Ur Dragon is already a great commander, and none of these cards really work well with the deck I run, so I don't care.

>>53428143
Now, here's something I can use for my Scion deck.

>>53426469
If these are real this is most certainly the box commander since the deck is dragon tribal and the other guys are just strong dragons without any tribal synergy

>>53440149
Dragon tribal is far from unusual since there are SEVERAL commanders for it. And I'm hoping they'll at least do something interesting for the other three

>>53428632
And just add a sack engine and whipe all the players boards

Do you even know how to balance?

>>53440307
Sorry, I meant that we have the unusual tribe to think about instead of taking it as a given that the other 3 would be all just something out of the Lorwyn tribals.

>>53440350
>what is myojin of cleansing fire

>>53436618

That symbol is still garbage.

All the other mana symbols look like something: A flame, a droplet, a skull, a tree and a sun. Even special mana looks like something: a snowflake and the phyrexian symbol. But what the fuck is that twinkly shit supposed to look like? It looks like nothing. Shit design.

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>>53441302
>It looks like nothing.
Precisely.

>>53441302
Then I guess it looks exactly what it's supposed to look.

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>>53426458
>his or her

cisheteronormative garbage

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>>53441302
It's associated most with Kozilek, who is associated with geometric shards of literal nothingness, so yeah.

>>53428549

I would love to see a non-foil of Nicol Bolas with the new border.

>>53429034
>>53429088
I'm pretty tempted to pick it up even as not much of a commander player just because of all the stuff in it for cannibalisation into other decks.

>>53429863

Zombies, elves, merfolks, and goblins are the big 4 I hope they don't bother doing.

Runo Stromkirk as a Grixis Vampire tribal commander when

>>53442331
Why add blue to vampires? How many blue vampires are there, even?

>>53442510
Vampires are BR, blue is more a zombie thing

>>53442510
There have been vampires in blue though. See: Ravnica, C13.

>>53436932

the tribes I'd be most excited to see is either wizard or artificer/some kind of artifact 'tribal' (myr?).

>>53438542
>shitting up a shit format
Is that even possible?

>>53437689
Rats were a main tribe in Kamigawa.

>>53441465
it's been templated that way since Arabian Nights fuccboi

>>53440175
Are you retarded? The next Standard legal set will be Hour of Devastation, in late June.

>>53426469
shit nigga, them changelings

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>>53426469
????

>>53427579
And green with creatures, my Azusa is more colorless than it is green nowadays.

>>53442621
>>53442806
B-but Mirko

>>53443885
Still inside the Amonkhet plane. You know what I meant.

>>53441302
Like a waste?

You get it yet son?

>>53426458
They were doing a pretty good job for the flavor but it doesn't quite got that "oomph" to make it a truly great card worthy of the lore figure.

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I hope one of the new commander decks is Eldrazi tribal.

>>53426493
Has memes gone to far?

I like it.

>>53448195
How is a character that's been around for 15 years a meme?

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>>53447889
Me too, want to make a Sultai EDH deck for value, but the flavor just isn't there, plus the price of the 3 color+ waste mana base

>>53448538
I'm trying to do a three color Eldrazi deck myself, using Bolas for flavor reasons and trying to figure out the mana base without breaking the bank is killing me.

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NEW LEAK!

Seems reasonably costed and balanced

>>53439647
isn't that a tournament reward?

>>53448538
>>53448966
I want Eldrazi for my Kruphix commander deck, although I'd be perfectly fine with a new Eldrazi commander with colors in its identity.

>>53449135
No. You're thinking of Shichifukujin Dragon, which also wasn't a tournament reward but also wasn't available to anyone - it was made to commemorate a building in Japan, and was one of a kind.

>>53449223
A five-color identity Eldrazi commander would be awesome, allowing you to play any of the colored Eldrazi.

I still think Devoid should negate color identity, though.

>>53448994
>Nombo with denim-walk
Trash

>>53449332
It would be great, but we can't have that because the Rules Committee have a stick up their ass about symbols.
Same thing with hybrid.
At least they didn't declare C to be an entirely new color, but that's probably only so they could keep running Sol Rings in their decks.
If it were up to me, hybrid would be either/or like it should be (monored can run a R/G hybrid, not like there's worse color breaks in plain monored after all) and devoid could be run in any deck (you'd have to rely entirely on rainbow lands/rocks to cast it though)
Neither of these would break fucking anything considering everything else running around.

>>53449332
Yessssss. This. A five color Eldrazi commander wold be the best thing ever. I can only hope.

>>53449606
The only color identity rules for edh should be that you shouldnt be able to include lands that dont match your commander, and that you need 1 basic land that matches each color in your commanders cost. If you wanna play green or white in nekusar instead of vial smasher//trasios good luck.

>>53449906
>and that you need 1 basic land that matches each color in your commanders cost.
Why?

>>53449978
So people can stfu about mld and land hate. Force everyone to have enough basics to make it their fault the wasteland/path/bloodmoon fucked them over instead of a villian who dares to break the spirit of the format.

>>53444001
>surprise, all changelings
Though crib swap for 2 is cool.

>>53450087
To be honest, running one of each basic in your Commander's identity isn't going to stop that. My Sliver deck runs a handful of basic lands and things like Back to Basics and Blood Moon are still shut downs.

People just need to get over the fact that land denial/destruction is as much of a valid tactic as any other. My Shattergang Brothers deck has a land destruction subtheme, my mono-white deck runs Drought, and my Krenko deck runs Blood Moon. When I play Slivers and get shut out due to land destruction/denial effects, I don't bitch about it. It's an effective tool.

>>53432936
Powerful commander

>>53450238
While forcing somebody to play 2-3 basics wont do much, it will still open the door to new players about the importance of balancing basics with nonbasics.

>>53450510
Or just create a rule for the sake of having another rule.

>>53450238
While personally I feel that mass land destruction is against the spirit of the format (along with most tutoring, honestly, other than for ramping purposes), I don't complain about it.
If other people want to use it, that's fair. I can plan around nonbasic hate. I can choose not to run those things myself because I like games where shit goes weird and is different every game, but I'm not the only player and other people like other things.
To each their own, after all.
Targetted land hate, especially for nonbasics, is definitely fine for anyone of course. Or mass nonbasic hate even. No different than wiping out enchantments or artifacts or any other type of thing. I just personally am not fond of not letting people play stuff.

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>>53426458
Rate my take on the card.

>>53426458
It's literally perfect. All the other Kamigawa spirits were underwhelming effects on overcosted bodies, so of course their legendary would be too.

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Legendary Wurm fucking when.
I'm still mad about that fake Amonkhet wurm.

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>>53426458
They really dropped the ball on tying the ability to combat damage and not declaring attack (with the same "attacked you" clause).

Nowt feels a lot more like
>If O-Kagachi doesn't get SLAPPED THE FUCK DOWN, h-he can get you back! 6/6, so you better look out!
Really loses its potency. And 6/6 for 5 colors and 6cc really isn't good for me at all. You can already get 3/3 for 2 colors or 5/5 for 4 colors, both with hefty abilities, so this just seems all-around flat to me.

Wow, never expected these new cards to generate such a love/hate response.

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>more dragonshit
sign me up

>>53426458
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>>53428857
I guess they're trying to put the D back in EDH, huh?

>>53428752

Draco from Planeshift. Fucking loved that card as a kid.

>>53453171
shut up maro

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>>53426458
>>53426469

I think the spoilers are real, confirmably, based only on these two cards alone.

Think about it. O-Kagachi has a pretty boring ability for its cost, is a bad political effect that people will still build around, and a card people will end up with more because they buy the precon and less because they want it for the helm.
But.
Take a look at the cost.
>1WUBRG
Why do you think that 1 is there? Simple- Ur-Dragon is at the helm. (Ravos is good enough for the helm, but is better in his own deck, and great for 5 mana). O-Kagachi is put in the deck almost entirely to be the Ur-Dragon's bitch.

Wasitora is further confirmation that these are real. It's something from Magic's past... and also a Cat Dragon that makes Cat Dragons. Plenty of checkboxes on the List of Things to Do got hit, but "Quirky Typelines" got anally violated in a back alley. The cute tokens are specifically aimed at the lolsorandom, tumblr, and stereotypical female players.

>>53428356
Oh, and a reminder that best Tarkir literally never happened? It's too perfect. These are real.

Pic semi-related. Dragons will be the one I get if there's no Warriors, Knights, or Abzan-color decks, barring something else impressing me.

>>53453901
Maro said he designs cards to evoke the love hate sentiments.

>>53454419
No shit that the Ur dragon is at the helm, he's the only one that actually has any tribal synergy in the tribal EDH set

>>53452276
Oof, so much mana cost, I'd rather have the first one. And te divinity counter thing is dumb, he's fighting to take back That which was Taken, he doesn't have it so he doesn't get that power. If he already has it what the hell is he trying to regain in the Kami War?

Lose the divinity ability, just let him exile stuff equal to the number of spirits and/or dragons you control when he comes into play.

>>53453124
The worst part is that it's really easy to make him not so underwhelming.
You can make it just an attack trigger (keeping the 'have to be attacked' part only).
If combat damage is necessary, make him exile multiple permanents. 'that many' would be neat, for example - if he's unblocked they're losing six, more if you pump him. Or maybe make it based on the number of Spirits you control - in a Dragon deck it's still just one, but in his home turf it's a proper 'do not attack me'.
Or go for a damn Merciless Eviction on hit.
Or make a colorless Spirit with P/T equal to the CMC of what he exiled. Other guy lost his dude, now you've got a Kami of the Wurmcoil.
And that's without changing the ability to something that would incidentally help a Kamigawa-style spirit deck while still being useful to Dragons. A nasty death trigger or something, or a reanimation effect of some sort, all kinds of shit you could do. Even with keeping the 'no fucking with me' theme.

>>53454502
Also it literally says "command zone" in the text.
I think it's a given that the other 3 will have eminence as well.

>>53442510
There's been a few, like Duskmantle Seer and Blood Tyrant. There's more lore justification for it, though; Nephalian vampires(such as Jeleva) use glamours to enable them to mingle with the human populations of that region, who they more-or-less cooexist with. Since it's Runo Stromkirk who started making them do all this, it would make sense for him to have blue.

>>53426458
Weird to see him lacking indestructible since his kid can literally give it to anybody he likes.

>>53428356
>WB Taigam
Reee

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>>53426458
Perfect exemple of how worse rthe art has become over years.
Those both represent the same character.

>>53426541
Do we really need another broodmate reprint??

ITT: Dragonfags. Dragonfags everywhere.

ur alright bros

>>53456806
>That Which was /TAKEN/

Gee, I wonder why.

>>53461431
Even if he's not literally indestructible in a flavor sense, he should have it from a game mechanic sense. A world-rending serpent god shouldn't die to a poisoned arrow.

>>53428632
Proliferate

>>53459803
They both look like shit, what's your point?

>>53459803
>my opinion is fact

People will never understand the difference. Both of them are good. Calm your shit, you art nazis.