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>>53425837
Idea for a runner
Blackbird
nova coke addicted raven shaman/face who specializes in fast talking and support magic
no offensive magic but carrys a silenced pistol for when things get hairy

>>53425837
Use background counts.

>>53426174
that would be nerfing awakened, which is also useful to close the gap between them
But what do you do to buff the mundanes?

>>53425837
I drop Cyberware costs by half and let Cyberlimbs be Enhanced up to 4. I also increase Cyberarm capacities to match legs.
It buffs Hands of God more than I'd like, but it's a compromise I'm okay making at my table.

I also let Bioware and Cyberware with ratings be upgraded rather than fully replaced.

>>53423351
>The second sentence is a problem, and illustrates why CGL shouldn't be allowed to retain the license. Magic is supposed to be a sideshow in Shadowrun, not the bigtop.
The last sentence is subjective, and you're allowed to be wrong. Still gonna point at you and laugh though.

>>53425189
>A background count impose a negative dice pool penalty
>a negative penalty
So... A bonus?

>>53426385
No a negative penalty, as opposed to a positive penalty.

Granted, those are for totally different things (negative penalties for the die pools you are using, positive penalties for things like Public Awareness or your enemy's die pools), but it is possible.

Despite my glibness, a positive penalty is usually only for things like memory or public awareness. Where extra dice are got and you don't want them got.

>>53426504
>No a negative penalty, as opposed to a positive penalty.
Positive penalty is a negative. Negative penalty is a positive.
>Despite my glibness, a positive penalty is usually only for things like memory or public awareness. Where extra dice are got and you don't want them got.
Then you call them bonus dice.

>>53426235
When you can kill a chicken and create a minor background count, that's a mundane buff.

>Extra ESS for mundanes?
Nah. Mandatory Sensitive System or Cyber Snob.

>>53426563
I know. I was mostly being glib about the somewhat redundant terminology.

Now, if it was still the era of variable success numbers, then positive and negative penalties would be a somewhat useful shorthand.

A positive penalty would be adjusting the success number, and a negative one affecting the die pool, just by inference.

>>53426660
>A positive penalty would be adjusting the success number
Also known as increased threshold.
>and a negative one affecting the die pool
So, a dice pool penalty.

>>53425174
Yeah. Wasn't saying that Chummer should change, but that there's nothing to change - and may never be.

>>53426731
No, I'm talking about like in 3e where to count a success you might have to roll a five, six, seven, or even eight depending on what you were doing.

Right now I can't think of anything that would cause a roll of a 5 to not count as a success on that die.

(As for how you could roll an eight on a six sided die, well, back then sixes got rerolled and then you added the numbers together to get the result.)

>>53426767
That sounds like a stupid system.

>>53426767
>back then sixes got rerolled and then you added the numbers together to get the result.
which meant that a 6 and a 7 was the same difficuilty

>>53426908
Yeah that's why I called it a stupid system.

>>53426846
A system like that can work, but I feel it needs at least one of two things that early SR didn't have. Either some semi-hard determinism on when the numbers change, or just scaling in one direct, preferably down.

>>53426908
At least as long as those sixes could explode.

Have you ever done a "low power" start before?
>13 start Karma, significantly lower starting cash
How did it go? What was the story?

>>53427485
Sound like everyone would just take awakened

>>53427538
yeah that sounds like it does

>>53427485
5e has two rules for low-power: Street Scum and Street Level
Street Level just gives less NuYen, Street Scum adjusts the whole CharGen

As expected, in Street Level most play as awakened because that way they won't be limited

>>53425837
I give out free contact points, encourage players to get contacts who can get them gear, and mostly throw out the availability/black market rules - it moves at the speed of plot, but you can get your time at the betaware clinic.

Where is everyone?

>>53429778
It's work time in the civilized world.

>>53429798
but it's evening in europe?

>>53429869
Exactly.

>>53429889
evening isn't work time, so it definitely isn't work time in the civilized world right now

OH, you mean america! Why didn't you say so directly?

>>53429906
There's only one cultural center of the world!

>>53429920
and it definitely isn't that far away from GMT

>>53429935
Only a five hour difference.

>>53429967
>five hour
>only

I remember a long time ago someone did a martial arts list and said what was good and what sucked. Anyone still have that link?

>>53430644
search for "6000 words on Martial arts"

>>53430644
in the pastebin

What are some good magic traditions for orks? Obviously something INT based, but which ones are best?

>>53430699
Is it? Shit, I must of shot past it.

>>53430735
Taking a CHA or LOG tradition won't make that much of a difference in terms of power.
Most of the INT traditions except for Chaos Magic are pretty restrictive in terms of flavor. An Ork raised on the street could easily an Urban Shaman or a Chaos Mage.

>>53430861
>Is it? Shit, I must of shot past it.
>must of
No, I think the issue is with your literacy.

>>53431055
or his spellchecker

>>53431278
Or his brain.

>>53431421
Or his cerebral booster

>>53431421
Or his CMOS

Hey guys, is the Zone drug (CF p 184) not in Chummer?

>>53426846
It was, mostly because it used d6s, Old world of Darkness was similar but because it used d10s there was room to move on the target number, whereas 2nd/3rd ed routinely had you trying to get over six on a d6.

Hey, I'm an idiot. Does anyone know how to add Metamagic in Chummer?

>>53433017
only in career mode, chummer

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UI question for you guys; I'm considering switching the existing label-based layout to a textblock-based setup in order to reduce wasted whitespace and provide a small amount of support for people using peasant resolutions. One of the main potential downsides to this is that we'd also have to concatenate tooltips to show the breakdown of complex properties, so a vehicle's tooltip label would be like this:

Pilot: xxx + yyy + zzz
Armor: xxx + yyy + zzz
Handling: xxx + yyy + zzz
Handling (Offroad): xxx + yyy + zzz
Speed: xxx + yyy + zzz
Sensor: xxx + yyy + zzz
Seats: xxx + yyy + zzz

I'm a little bit worried that this would become an unreadable blob; we can apply formatting to highlight the headers and relevant numbers and such to make it easier, but can you guys think of any other problems with doing it in that way? The Source label would still be a separate object so that you can click it to open the PDF of course.

>>53431862
Seems not. I'll have to run through and confirm if anything else is missing.
>>53433017
Once you have access to the Initiation tab (Enable the houserule for create mode or move into career mode), click the Add Initiate Grade button, then right-click on the Grade treenode and click Add Metamagic. If you don't have the houserule to ignore Street Grimoire's Art requirements, you'll need to add the appropriate Art type for your chosen metamagic first. Unchecking the option to hide metamagics you can't take and double-clicking on it will tell you what you're missing.

>>53433183
I'm not exactly sure what you mean yekka
could you give an example?

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>>53433205
I'd need more time for a proper proxy, but it'd look sort of like this:

>>53433324
Seems nice
I'm in favor

>>53426058
Is this a reference to that really cringe story someone posted about a gloryhole?

>>53433416
>really cringe story someone posted about a gloryhole?
what?

>>53433445
Someone with a name very close to Blackbird posted a really cringe story about him and his dm talking about his character doing a glory hole or something. It was enough to raise the background count of the thread. Not important since obviously unrelated

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>>53433183
>>53433324
I've never had a problem with the Chummer whitespace; things are spaced fairly well for readability, which your proposed block mashes together.

What's the scythe called in 5e?

>>53433903
Collapsible Scythe
Hard Targets 183

>>53433921
Thanks.

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>>53433855
The actual textblock would still have proper formatting, it just means that a clusterfuck like the vehicles tab would be able to JUST show the relevant fields for the weapon, or gear, or vehicle, or location notes, or whatever else I inject into it.

Like, this is the current backend mapping for the vehicles tab. It's a mess of stuff that's been slapped in over time.

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So I was thinking it would be awesome for my character to take clinch, use that and follow up with shock gloves. Common Sense tells me it should be easy because when you clinch someone they would be locked by your hands but I don't see anyway to attack on the same turn when you clinch. Anything I'm missing srg?

>>53433921
>>53433982
How can I add it to Shadowrun

>>53434014
Shock Weave.

Shock Gloves are always an attack.

>>53434014
Common sense tells me you wouldn't want close contact with people you're sending 50,000 volts through.

>>53434014
You can't attack on the same turn you clinch someone. Engaging in a Clinch is a complex action, then you get a dice bonus bonus IIRC for close combat attacks while in a Clinch afterwards.

>>53434026
???

>>53434026
>How can I add it to Shadowrun
????
I have no Idea what you mean

>>53434046
Sorry, Chummer. Typed that while people are talking in my ear.

>>53434034
Your common sense is wrong.

>>53434078
Don't touch people you're tazing :3

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>>53434108
Don't zapwrestle people without having nonconductivity 6, fag.

>>53434078
https://youtu.be/-Wq3lMvCEHA?t=49s

>>53434046
Clinch is a simple action

>>53434129
Shit, zapwrestling is probably a sport in the 6th world.

>>53434027
Thanks Anon, I will was so focused on the shock gloves I forgot that those exist

>>53434108
>>53434139
Ecks Deee!

No.

>If the character is in touch contact with an opponent from a Grapple or Clinch and has equipment that deals electricity damage, the character may make a Free Action to initiate shock damage to the opponent provided that the gamemaster agrees that the weapon is also in touch contact with the opponent.

>>53434249
Page number?

>>53434270
page 140 Run and Gun

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>all knowsofts carry discreet advertising plugs, so that when you're speaking on a subject you're name-dropping products, and when you're doing an action your first impulse is to get certain brands of tools, and vague sense of unease when you use other ones

Good ideas?

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>>53435036
Cute fluff if you're a chip using character trying to work in a gimmick, but I'd never try to inflict that on another player. I guess it depends on your table.

>>53435157
The hell... that kid's going to grow out of his implant in months. Then what?

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>>53435191
Corp kid, Corp scrip. Does it matter when it's all monopoly money? Look he's even got a datajack already.

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>>53435036
It honestly sounds like a Mission hook, like some NPC uses knowledgesofts like crazy and gets driven crazy by the "whispers." I like it anon

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that feel when resources A but you aren't a a warehead

>>53435269
The dangers of going off-brand - his mapsofts disagree about what he wants for supper

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>>53435303
But why?

>>53435317
His Runner is a mundane, low/no ware Face who spent 250k Nuyen on Drugs to deal out and/or use.

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>>53435305
Recalled knowsofts with improper subliminal advertising.

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>>53435334
I can dig it.

>>53433324
>>53434000
Don't do it yekka! Chummer would lose it's charmingly appealing amount of white space, which is actually quite good for readability!

How would you stat one of those weyland yutani white blood androids?
You know, the ones that can kill you with a magazine, and are generally fucking great.

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>>53435733
The movie versions were outwardly normal people, but had superstrength basically. Basically able to pass as human.

The combat versions in the AvP games were walking tank, that could soak up damage like it was nothing.

The first version could be represented by stating a cybered face maybe.
The second version could be a beefed up anthropomorphic drone.
Like pic related just way harder to kill.

>>53435733
>>53435884
You could go drone either way; Bishop would be a Direktionssekretar with some Realistic Features and a Pinfinger autosoft.

>>53435191
You buy another. And another. Because you need little timmy to do well in school in order to get into the right college, and if you want him to do well in school, you need to get him the neurological enhancers all the rich kids have.

>>53435036
Of course this leads to a run, to take out some upstart punk who's making an adblocker for chips.

So Cyber-Snob prevents you from picking up any bio/cyberware less then beta grade but you're prevented from picking up anything higher then alphagrade at chargen. Does this mean that you are unable to pick Cyber-Snob at chargen unless you pick something like Restricted Gear?

>>53437633
It means you can't start with ware unless you talk with your GM or are doing a Prime Runner campaign.

AFAIK Restricted Gear doesn't let you bypass the alphaware limit, it just lets you get higher availabilities of 'ware.

>>53435620
The plan is for there still to be as much whitespace, don't worry about that. I just want to be able to look at a weapon on a vehicle without wasting two-thirds of the space on invisible controls. Wrost case scenario I try it, hate the effort of maintaining the configuration strings and roll back, but it's a ways off still.
>>53437633
Word of Freelancer is that you should change the grade to Alphaware and reduce the karma bonus.Also, Restricted Gear won't let you bypass the Alphaware limit on chargen.

>>53437723
(repost for clarity)

>AFAIK Restricted Gear doesn't let you bypass the alphaware limit
That.

>>53437633
>Does this mean that you are unable to pick Cyber-Snob at chargen
This.

It's essentially something you swap other negative qualities out for, after the game has started. So if you kill off an enemy, pay off your debt, erase your criminal record, etc. you can potentially become a snob.

So if orks are analogous to niggers in sixth world, what about all the other metatypes? Are elves the white race?

What's the shortest you could go for a troll and still have it slide at the table? I was going to make a short troll that came from tall human parents, and wanted to make her 7'4 or so just because the idea of the character being tall as hell, but short around her own race type amused me.

>>53438106
Pick neoteny and play a loli troll

>>53438125
B-but I don't wanna play a loli troll, anon-kun

>>53438235
It's okay, she'll still be like 5'7".

>>53438235
Look, I'm sorry, but he said it, and now you have to do it. I don't make the rules, that's just how it works.

>>53438106
A Fomori troll could be as short as 7'0", less if female. With Troll Reduction 2 and Clean Metabolism (to get rid of the musky smell) they could easily pass as tall humans.

>>53438092
Elves are more like Asians, though all races are represented in each type of Meta.

>>53438125
>>53438431
>>53438245
>>53438235
Goblinize into a troll, take neoteny to be a loli.

Does this make the troll a human loli?

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>>53438623
I... I don't know.

>>53438557
They can be shorter than that. You're saying the average to the shortest possible Fomorian Troll is only 30cm.

>>53438623
No. UGE only goes one way.

>>53438653
Troli forever then.

Guys, I had a lot of fun today and figured I'd storytime if you all don't mind
>Raiding a convoy
>I'm the tank, a willpower-pumping gnome with armor ware
>Flag the convoy down and shoot its officer in the head
>Sniper shoots out the engine of the front car
>Figure the new guy can handle the driver of the first car, let him deal with it
>There's two in the last car, and four in the middle two cars
>Get inbetween the middle two cars and start shooting
>driver of the third car sees his opportunity and rams me
>Tank it all for 2 stun damage
>It's the new guy's phase
>New guy was smart and got himself an Ares Alpha
>"Can you get out of there somehow? They're all clustered up like this and I've got a grenade launcher.."
>"So shoot it!"
>"What?"
>"Shoot it in the cabin of the car ramming me, I can take it! It'll look AMAZING for the stream, too!" (Character is a professional livestreamer)
>"Are you sure about this? Since you're asking me to.."
>Shoots frag grenade, detonates on impact
>After being rammed by a car, I tank a frag grenade from two meters away with only 9S damage out of my 13 S track
>Everyone around me but the two in the back are dead
>It's my phase, get out from between the cars
>Shoot my own noobtube at the car in the back, sill walking and firing
>End of convoy raid

So after taking a break from SR to try some new things I have been invited to a SR5 game but most of my experience comes from 4e with me playing sr5 as a player when it first came out. I'm pretty sure I can get a grasp of how the new chargen works and I remember how limits work somewhat so i'm here to ask if there is anything that is just plain "bad" I plan to play a face with some medical skills (maybe adept not sure) but is there anything really bad I should look out for?

>>53439054
Make sure you get basically everything you want in chargen because if your GM goes by the books you'll get fuckin nothing from your runs in terms of nuyen
desu i reccomend cashing out the full 100 karma or whatever worth of nuyen nomatter what you play

>>53439054
Medical skills aren't all that useful in combat, and you can heal up just fine out of combat via rest or seeing a street doc.

Just get a Saviour Medkit and put your skills into something you'll have fun doing.

>>53439357
>>53439054
There's an optional rule about (I think it's in Missions, it may be slightly houseruled) that you can swap one Karma for 2000 nuyen and vice versa. If you're in Stephen's game we're using it.

>>53439357
Alright I make sure to look stuff over slowly
>>53439422
I wanted play a Ex-surgeon thus some medical skills but I have to sit down and see if I can get any use out it like you say.
>>53439633
I did see in run faster but keep a note of that too.

>>53439776
Also, ask how your GM is on stealing things. If they're not operators operating operationally levels of security on every little thing, then the book numbers can be perfectly fine as long as you can steal some stuff.

And have a contact to dump it on, if you need speed, or a good negotiation roll if you need the monies instead.

I need some names for sleazy back alleys and places in a city. Any suggestions or random tables?

>>53440411
Devil's Alley. You can guess what it's absolutely infested with.

>>53440462
Incubi?

>>53440488
No, something far worse. Devil Rat otherkin.

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>>53440525
Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

>>53440411
The Shades t. Pratchett
Alternatively, Reeperbahn

>Convert 5E to a fantasy/cyberpunk system in an attempt to lure my d20-only group to proper shadowrun game

Could it succeed, or am I doomed to fail?

>>53441178
>Could it succeed
Maybe, there are cyberpunk hacks floating about for B/X after all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugrFTySNeQk thought of you SRG

>>53441301
I was kinda hoping it was this one.
https://youtu.be/V67OOERTOEo

Because that's probably one of the most shadowrun things I've seen not titled "A Night's Work."

What is meant by "non-paranormal" critters in critter form, if you can turn into paracritters?

>>53437745
Hey Yekka.
You have the Oak mentor spirit from the German sourcebook duplicated, rather than including the new one from Forbidden Arcana.

>>53441703
>if you can turn into paracritters?
you can't
That's the whole point
You can only turn into critters that have neither a MAG nor a RES Attribute

>captcha: Rough Road Road
Hey >>53440411, that's another one

>>53441770
What about Paracritters without magic stats?

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>>53441722
Ha! I knew I'd find a time when the name-based value selection would fail. Will be fixed in the next build.

>>53441959
>Paracritters without magic stats?
????
Like what?
Because AFAIK Every Paracritter has MAG, because that's what makes them a paracritter

>>53441996
*MAG or RES

>>53439633
What Stephen are you talking about? I knew a Stephen who ran a shadowrun game then disappeared.

If a technomancer named Cover and a street sam named Church sound familiar to him tell him i said hi.

>>53442033
I believe we had a Church in a recent B Team of NPCs. They died. Don't think the technomancer made an appearance though.

>>53442137
...please tell me how to contact him, my nostalgia is acting up. Goddamn.

>>53442177
He's still on Roll20, could message him on there somehow. Or on Discord, but I'd have to wait till he gets back on to ask him about that.

As another check, this is the Australian, right?

>>53442214
Yep, Aussie. The game we were in is gone, so i don't have him on r20 anymore.

Learning the rules still. When it says a test gets a -2 penalty, does that mean reduce the dice you normally roll by 2

>>53442253
>>53442253
Yup.

>>53442241
I'll send him a DM directing him here so he can give you his Discord details or whatever. It's like 1 in the morning in Aus, though, so it could be a good few hours.

>>53442368
Hell, i'll give you mine. I do want to reconnect with the dude.

Mobi#5732

Hope it gets to the right person.

>>53441996
What about the Behemoth from Howling Shadows? Is it not a paracritter due to magical origins?

>>53442938
Hmm
Well
Dunno
Maybe someone else can answer this

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Trying to write a campaign that's set in Miami but I can't find much info on it. Is there anything I should know? Can't imagine its much different from any other city except there's more beaches.

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>>53442938
>>53443074
'Paracritter' as a broad category are the species that only emerged since the Awakening. Not necessarily magical in that they have a Magic score, but the increase in mana allowed recessive genes to come back to the fore (a behemoth is to an alligator what a troll is to a human - not inherently magical, but requiring mana to exist).

The Critter Form/Shapechange spell is retarded because it says no paracritters, then gives only paracritters as an example of something you can turn into. Fixed in errata.
>Also, change the second sentence of the second paragraph from “Each critter form is a different spell (Hellhound form, Devil Rat Form, and so on)” to “Each critter form is a different spell (dog form, shark form, and so on).”

>>53443141
Going off the Shadowhelix:
Member of the Caribbean League
Mostly gets money through legalized gambling, tourism and the high-class bioclinics where you can get leónization and other such treatments
Was home of the Gunderson Corp, later destroyed by Art Dankwalther. Daughter-Corp Atlantic Sec. held the security contract for a long time
UO, SK, NeoNet, Black Patch Cruise Lines and Bloodstone Media are in it
The John Hopkins Institute of Health has a HQ there
The Atlantean Foundation too
It has multiple Pro-League teams in various sports
The criminal underworld is controlled by the Gambiones (Mafia) which is led by a committee. Also a big player is the Voodoo syndicate Zobop
There was a cannibalistic Gang called Morlocks which was beaten down. The Ancients have a chapter of about 30

Check out Vice(4e), Corporate Enclaves (4e), Cyberpirates! (2e), Feral Cities (4e), Ghost Cartels (4e), Hard Targets (5e), SWA (4e), Target: Awakened Lands (3e), Target: Smuggler Havens (3e) and Shadows of Latin America (never officially released, but we have it in the mediafire)

>>53441703
Shapechange allows you to go paracritter form, and any other form you wish.

Shape (Critter) Form is effectively a limited version of that spell.

Rule of thumb: You change via goblinization, but are formed in the womb.

(Trolls count as paracritter, so shapechange is needed. Humans are mundane, thus are applicable for form.)

>>53443329
>>53442938
Do paraniggers exist?

>>53443979
They are called orks, excuse you

>>53443952
>Shapechange allows you to go paracritter form, and any other form you wish.
see>>53443329
>because it says no paracritters

>>53444029
Eh, consider it a houserule; It works well enough

>>53442368
Pls reply. I really wanna talk to my old GM again. ;_;
>>53442448

Wait, so can my gator shaman turn into a 2 ton Alligator?

>>53444380
technically no
but if you GM uses >>53444293
then sure

>>53444554
Technically it says non-paranormal animal, and paranormal isn't necessarily defined.

>>53444828
Eh, no
The category is clear on this
any animal that's in the mundane critter part is A-OK
any other is not

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How possible is it to get close to a dwarf like Torbjorn?
Sort of a mix between tanky street sam and a rigger, but I'm worried you might be a bit spread thin.

>>53447208
Not that hard actually. For minimal investment you can have a single gun turret, and then you just dump all your other points into being a sammy.

>>53447287
Isn't the turret drone kinda shitty though?
Unless you, I dunno, heavily modifier a Lynx and removed it's legs for extra mod space. But then how are you gonna lug that about?

>>53447344
backpack?

>>53447287
To do it in SR it might be better to invest in some Steel Lynxes, because stationary turrets are pretty useless for shadowruns.

>>53447357
Well yeah, I just figured it'd be kinda heavy.

>>53447358
This is what I assumed. I don't think you really have the time to repair drones in the midst of combat either.

>>53447389
trogger, dwarves are stronger than humans
you'll manage it

>>53447287
>>53447389
That said I figure perhaps dropping the single gun turrets for a distraction/suppressing fire could be decent, if a bit wasteful.

>>53447404
They can be. If he wants to be a tank sammy, he'll get cyberlimbs for the increase in track boxes, and carrying means averaging that.

Also, it's retarded to try and carry a stationary turret instead of just getting one with wheels.

I made that op image and seeing it posted makes me happy

Thanks

>>53425837
>We all know that tech gets shafted right now, from high ESS cost, to high price for Ware and Decks, to high Availability.

>What do you do to help those guys?
I use the option to have certain 'quirks' for used cyberware rather than the increased ESS cost. The quirk will usually be something minor that applies all the time or something significant but situational.

>>53447791
Isn't that basically Omegaware already?
Same cost as Used, same ESS as Standard, but not quite High-Quality Original Ware

>>53447848
Yeah, I forgot what the name for it was. It also reduces the Availability by 4 so they can get cyberware up to an effective Avail of 16.

>>53442214
Oh man, I played with this guy years ago. Nice dude, the first time I played SR was with him and even though it capsized I'm glad it was with a good GM and not some of the morons I dealt with later.

Okay so let me get through this and tell me if the logic holds
>Cyberzombies get H.Armor, BC and increase in ATT maximum based on ESS Defect
>Lower below 0 == Better
>Deltaware has to be used, which means it costs less essence
>which means that you need more to get it below 0
now
>Sensitive System doubles all ESS costs
>which means the 0.5 of the delta ware is canceled out
>Which means you can get lower for the same price
>WHICH MEANS, that the best subjects for Cyberzombies are people with sensitive systems
right?

>>53448893
That's one way of looking at it.
But high negative essence also makes it harder for them to survive the cyber zombification process and makes it harder for them to not go crazy later on. To much negative essence right off the bat can make the potential cyberzombie unworkable.

So, while sensitive system would mean you could make a cyberzombie for cheaper it also means you can fit less cyberware in before you reach the dangerzone.

I could see some mademan wanting to collect a bunch of SenSyst guys for his super-soldier army project becasue he needs a bunch of badasses RIGHT NOW and doesn't care if a couple die in the process or that the survivors won't remain sane for very long.

>>53448893
>Deltaware has to be used
No? It just needs to be a Delta-grade clinic.
Yes, the strongest Cyberzombie is all Used Ware.

>>53449379
Hmm, already wondered if I just misread that part
I swear I could remember it having to be all Delta

So, i'm away from my books right now and have a question. Adepts can increase a weapons power or something by a ritual, iirc, in place of a meta magic. What all can adept weapons do? It just a flat increase in dice pool, or are there things like armor piercing or damage increase that you can select from. I want to make a bullwhip that doesn't suck, but don't want to use a monowhip because I dislike the design.

>>53449744
Attune Item increases the limit when the Adept uses the object, in this case Accuracy, but can't be combined with a weapon focus. Imbue Item can be combined with a Weapon Focus and can also do some fun stuff, I'm also away from the books though so I don't remember exactly the bonuses you can attach to a Weapon.

>>53449379
Nah. The strongest Cyber Zombie is the one you dose with Renfield and give Essence Loss to - provided you can keep them functioning long enough for it to matter.

>>53449744
Honestly though, your best bet for making the Bullwhip useful is to focus on the great Martial Arts Techniques it gets and pump the dice pool of your Bullwhip so you can eat the called shot penalty.

The Bullwhip is STR + 2, right? So it's slightly worse than a sword but with enough STR you can still whip as hard as a shotgun blast for sure.

What book is Renfield in? I'm having a hard time finding it.

If you can't transform into the big beasts, like Behemoths or Juggernauts, what's the point of taking 3 levels of Skinwalker? No mundane creature will have a 18 Body difference unless it's a paracritter.

>>53450223
IIRC, 4e Running Wild. Maybe in one of the 5e novels, too.

How would you get a Buddhist character into shadowrunning? Does anyone have any interesting backstories?

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i was told to come here and ask about prussian lizard taming

>>53451862
There is historical precedence for buddhist priests being soldiers (sohei) or even violent criminals (such as the ikko ikki rebels).
Most of what I know of these comes from Japanese history but I'm sure if you did some research you could find a bunch of different examples.

How stupid would it be to throw in Taiping Christians among the canon chinese waring states? I find the idea of a chinese christian theocracy to be oddly intriguing.

>>53451862
I'm trying to think of a backstory or origin for a Buddhist Shadowrunner which is distinctly Buddhist, but I'm having trouble.

That being said, Buddhism is pretty broad and widespread, so you can fit it into a character's origin pretty easily without it being their primary defining characteristic.

Maybe a western Buddhist, like someone from a Wage Slave family who eats up new age stuff. Goes into Shadowrunning because they want to make a difference, take down the corruption oligarchy, etc, but finds it far more morally grey once they're in.

Or a character who finds Buddhism particularly comforting, like a Street Samurai trying to maintain their humanity while being a few implants away from Cyberzombie status. Meditates, patronizes local Shrines and teachers, etc.

Is Forbidden Arcana in Chummer yet?

So I just installed the newest Chummer, and it won't let me open my files, it keeps crashing when I try. What did I probably do when I was installing.

>>53451862
Shadow running to support their local temple? Or maybe a Corp stole some important religious artifact and he's shadow running while trying to find it and get it back?

>>53451862
Buddhists are not all peace loving hippies. See Aum Shinrikyo, Historical Samurai, literally all of fucking japan.

>>53452586
It's been in there for the last few nightlies, omae

>>53453283
Hell, there's even stuff like the Buddhist persecution of Muslim minorities in Burma that's going on right now.

Yekka, if you're here, Skinwalker has only one level, when it is supposed to have 3.

As a decker playing on street rules. Is it pretty much impossible to hack/go into the matrix? Don't really have the money for a Cyberdeck of course.

>>53453332
Define what you mean by street rules, like sum-to-8, 600 karma, etc.

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>>53453344
Street level rules, this thing

>>53453362
Yeah don't build characters using that option, it overpunishes mundane characters while leaving awakened characters largely untouched.

I do sum-to-8, no priority A, and 10 availability cap. Other people will have various other options which are around the same idea.

>>53453362
You should really be playing Street scum instead, if you want to use priority. However, you could always get the good old MCD-1, and you could operate at a low level against other low level entities.

I've only run 4e before, do I run 4e or 5e?

racing tires or run flats?

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Anybody here got the collector edition version of the expansion books ? I'm curious about their quality, especially the binding.

>>53454014
I have a copy. The binding is noticeably better then the core rulebook, but not by a HUGE amount.

>>53450634
An elephant has 15 BOD, whales aren't statted out but a meistersinger (the size of a blue whale) is at 20. If you want to be able to have a weak human body but still turn into absolutely anything you need 3 levels of Skinwalker, but given that it only works with (Critter) Form and not Shapechange, you'd need to really want to be a whale.

>>53452157
Nothing in the rulebook says you can't do something stupid, anon. The real issue is that they're 150 years dead by the Sixth World.

>>53454045
Does it still hold ? I took my core rulebook to get it properly bound the moment I had it delivered because I heard of the bad glue binding and confirmed it with my own eyes.

>>53454139
To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure. I don't have a group to play with, so I haven't opened it too much after my initial read-through.
From my initial assessment, you shouldn't need to get it re-bound though.

>>53453929
Run flats

>>53453445
If you liked 4e, just stay with that. Compare the matrix in 4e core, 5e core, and Ends of the Matrix (4e fan supplement by Trollman) that's the biggest difference if you like deckers actually being a thing instead of replaced by an app.

>>53453362
>>53453387
Use Street Scum rules, or Street Level + Street Scum. Scum is official, and probably not Hitler.

>>53453332
Can you afford a stealth tag? Yes.

Can you afford Persona Firmware? Yes.

Then you can hack the matrix.

>>53444380
Yes, BUT only if they're a Beast's Way Adept/Mystic Adept and use the Totem Form power.

Is it possible to make called shots with a melee weapon, such as called shot eye or called shot shoulder?

>>53449956
As per 4E if you dose the Cyberzombie with Renfield you might have a good case of bringing them back to life.

>>53454879
You don't have to dose them after the cybermantic procedure.

>>53453929

Off-road. You might not end up driving out innawood in shadowrun that often, but you know the day you do your gonna be really hurting for that little bit more handling.

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>>53452893
I fucked up a load thing for vehicles. Should be fixed in the latest nightly.
>>53453319
You can take it three times, that not working?

so how does this sound for a LA run.
>movie producer for Horizon is having some trouble with the star of his next block buster.
>he can't actually afford him so he wants you to kill him so he doesn't have to pay him and free plublicity
the twist
>the actor is actually the younger brother of the kumicho (Yakuza Don). He changed his name for the screen but isn't hiding the fact he's gang affiliated but if the players don't do basic legwork they will be liable to get themselves marked for death by every yakuza on the west coast not to mention the bounties on their head.

would this work or is it too harsh a punishment?

How much corpsec could a steetsam chop if a steetsam could chop corpsec?

>>53455865
Depends on the choppiness of the sam and the pay grade of the corpsec.

>>53454864
Yeah, you cane make a location called shot.

Hey /srg/, who's your favorite mentor spirit?

>>53456978
Spoder.

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>>53456978
Zyzz

>>53456978
I bet it's Raven.

>>53457137
>Tfw my street sam has 10 bod and 8 str natty
>All those gainz

Why is ritual spell casting so shit? Every ritual is incredibly niche, with the only possible exceptions being spirit pacts and the rituals involved.

>>53457445
Leeching is a ritual usable by all people with Geomancy, and it straight 100% converts hits on Ritual Spellcasting into hits on another magic test.

>>53457445
Because if you're doing it right, it's either the way to big, big results with little risk (but high cost) or unusual effects that sometimes take more work than normal to get.

Like, Prodigal Spell, if your spotter can also do the astral scrubbing, is one of the safer ways to try assassinating somebody. It's also really expensive if you don't have a high force lodge available and had to make a temporary one.

Or if you need a defensive area, Circle of Healing or Renaisance can give you a good spot to defend from. Just have something to deal with grenades on hand.

Leeching can let you wear away at an enemy's bonus while giving you some bonus succeses which are usually hard to get.

>>53455615
Take off your trip.

Can you use spirits who aren't your traditions combat spirit for combat? I'm not sure if the classifacations are just for spells sustainable or if they apply to all actions.

So I seem to have a problem with Chummer. I downloaded the recent build from the link, and it crashes on trying to open any of my current character sheets. My current build also crashes when trying to update. Any suggestions/help?

>>53457908
If you mean can you use a spirit that's not combat (spell category) for combat (the action), then yes

>>53457908
The tradition choices essentially just affect their ability to provide Aid Sorcery and sustaining bonuses, +/- GM fiat about how much the spirit dislikes what you make it do.
>>53458111
It should be working properly in 5.193.47; can you upload the file somewhere for me to test otherwise?

>>53458142
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B43hLZHU74G3YjZ5NGNSdkJHYzg/view?usp=sharing

the .chum file of one of the characters it crashes on. It still works on the older 5.192 builds, from what I've been trying.

>>53458328
Seems fine, but try this version:
https://a.pomf.cat/iowsuf.chum5

>>53458391
It worked, as far as I can tell on a 5.193 build, outside of having to rebuild the character because it's in career mode.

I have tried deleting my Chummer folder outside of saves, and getting a clean build, but it seems no dice to get my full career mode file.

>>53458482
What happens to the career file? 5.193.45 should be the only bad version, that's the one where I messed up the vehicle load method. Is there a crash error or anything?

>>53458584
Ah, .47 works. I probably hadn't gotten up to there yet. You can safely ignore me now.

>>53456978
Wise warrior. The concept of having some honor and being a light in the dark future is just a cool thing, especially if the GM does a decent amount of work with the mentor in question

Least favorite character?
>inb4 Harlequin
>inb4 Kane
>inb4 Bull
>inb4 IRL Bull

>>53456978
Gargoyle

>>53461650
That one gay guy with the spirit motorcycle.

>>53454979
If you are taking your car outside of the sprawl, and you don't refit, you shouldn't be using your car for anything but morning commutes in the first place.

>>53457908
It's not fiat, Street Grimoire makes it explicit. Non-combat spirits simply cannot be used for combat, non-Health can't heal, etc.

>>53437883
>So if you kill off an enemy, pay off your debt, erase your criminal record, etc. you can potentially become a snob.
And isn't that the American dream?

>>53461784
Chummer, the only spirit that could possibly heal is a Spirit of Man and only if you give him Innate Spell(Heal). What if you Health Spirit is Plant?

What if your Manipulation Spirit is Beast? None of their Powers seems remotely like Manipulation

Also: Where in SG does it say that only Combat Spirits can fight?

>>53455591
Can you actually do pic related in Shadowrun? Magic up a temporary arm?

>>53462659
>Magic up a temporary arm?
I saved that pic several hours ago and didn't even notice that.

>>53457744
thanks man

What are some good knowledge skills for a shaman?

>>53440555
>No Ice
every time

>>53463813
Anything that's not covered by some active skill you have.

Because you can always use your active skills as knowlege skills. That guy with Pistols 6 just doesn't know how to shoot 'em well. He can also give a good lesson on 'em and probably also knows where to find 'em.

>>53462659
Sure, use the 'Magic Fingers' manipulation spell and choose to make it visible and anchored to your elbow.

One of my players wants to run as a crippled decker (ice fucked his Moter functions) controlling an outdated tech zombie
How should I have him build his character? Should it just be a low humidity character with the decker thing being backstory
Or should he have 2 sheets one for the decker and one for the tech zombie
He said he got the idea from hardcore Henry

>>53464856
Are you using Google translate?

>>53465172
Probably on a phone. You don't get Humanity/Humidity from GT.

>>53465320
I am still so confused by the post. Tech Zombie? Humanity/Humidity?

>tfw counting down the days until The Sprawl gets the totally-not-Shadowrun expansion so I can actually play this setting in a ruleset that doesn't make me want to kill myself

>>53465411
What, do you only recognise concepts when someone uses the correct words?

>>53465456
I honestly have no idea what Shadowrun concepts those are supposed to be.

>>53465488
Tech zombie is what happens when you have too many augs. You hit zero or below zero humanity
You no longer have a soul and are little more than machines built in a human shape

>>53465688
Do you mean cyberzombie? Because cyberzombies are a little different. Also, how the hell is the decker controlling him?

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>>53465688
Cyberzombies, chummer. And they're really not meant for PCs, especially at chargen. There's unholy amounts of extremely expensive and rare 'ware, medical treatments, reagents, and magical rituals. It takes a team of people to create and sustain one, and even then it's tenuous at best. You're thinking of something more like some kind of psycho bio-drone or something, but I'm not even sure if we have a rules precedent for that.

Furthermore, such a character would probably be more of a rigger, not a decker, and they'd have to keep their original meat somewhere nearby to not get fucked by noise.

>>53465688
>Tech zombie is what happens when you have too many augs
That's not actually a thing.

It's called cybermancy, and there's no "whoops, I accidentally all the augs! Now I have no soul!"

At Essence 0.0, your "soul" (astral form) loses grip on your body (physical form), and you die. Cybermancy staples the two together.

>>53465784
>they'd have to keep their original meat somewhere nearby to not get fucked by noise.
It's not that hard to blow past standard Noise with Noise Reduction.

>>53465411
>Humanity/Humidity?
Pretty sure Cyberpunk uses Humanity as a measurement of what you lose when you install cyber.

>>53464856
There is no way you should ever let your players have a leashed cyberzombie. They're multi-million dollar hush hush black tech that is incredibly hard to get a hold of, they would not be allowed to keep it. He'll just have to settle for an anthrodrone like the rest of us.

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>>53465784
Forgot to add, what you probably want is some sort of kitted out anthrodrone. It won't be as "optimal" as a bunch of Rotodrones or a Steel Lynx though.

Hey guys whats that thing in 5e that lets you store drugs and other stuff inside then inject it into someone and have it slowly release into their bloodstream?

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>>53465930
All of that being said, for all the criticism you're getting, the basic idea is solid. It's just one glaring issue with an aspect of your execution.

>>53465988
Carcerands?

>CARCERAND-PLUS
>Carcerand-plus is the nanotech version of carcerands, hollow molecular spheres designed to carry a drug payload that they slowly dispense as they circulate the body and break down over time. Normal carcerands are passive, designed to break down within a narrow period. Carcerand-plus triggers under either of two conditions. It can be tailored to respond to a certain chemical in the body, such as a certain food or drug, introduced from outside the body; the trigger condition must be specified before the nanites are installed. It is also triggered if its Rating is reduced to 0. Once triggered, carcerand-plus nanites release their payload into the bloodstream.

>>53466023
Exactly, thank you!

>>53465910
>>53465804
>>53465784
Then what can I do? He wants to be pupitying a thing that looks like a person
What in shadowrun is like that?

>>53466273
Jen wants his rigger/ decker what evyits called (new to the game) to be like jimmy from hardcore Henry. The real him is crippled from something but he controls a human shaped thing in his place

>>53466355
It's kind of a weird concept, and I wouldn't recommend it if you don't have much experience, but you could accomplish it with a rogger with a suped up antrodrone.

Hey everyone. I like the idea of shadowrun and want to play it. How can I get into it?

>>53466273
I said this in my first post, what they want is an anthrodrone, that they can control remotely. It's not the most effective build as drones are expensive and kind of fragile, but if you dress an anthrodrone in decent Metahuman armour because the don't take stun they become functionally bulletproof.

>>53466568
Read the core book, find a group.

>>53466568
Do what everyone in this general does. DL the books, complain about how incompetent the devs are, never play the game yet wish you did.

>>53466976
My buddies and I are playing tomorrow, they're awful at Shadowrun but I love playing with them.

>>53464856
They could also opt for a detail of bunraku hooker razorgirls/boys if mechanical drones aren't their style.

I offered to GM Shadowrun for some friends so our usual designated GM can play for once, but I have no practical experience with the system and came up with some alterations to get a workable game that starts at Goblinization and them having to roll for metatype changes after rolling humans. I think I fucked up by doing it instead of a properly set 5E campaign, but everyone's having fun so far.

Does the makeover spell clean you?

So in the Run Faster Life Modules for college Academic Knowledge: (Chemistry, Medicine, Mechanics) are explicitly listed, how does this work when you have Chemistry, Medicine and Hardware as independent skills? Would you be able to use AK: Chemistry to cook up some Kamikaze just as well as if you had the regular skill?

>>53468986
AK: Chemistry is knowing how to do it, Chemistry is actually being able to do it.

>>53469004
Having the Chemistry skill also counts as the relevant knowledge skills, so...

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>>53468986
Academic Knowledge is more about understanding the chemical processes. Street Knowledge would be knowing the common backyard processes used to create a given recipe. In either case you'd still use the Chemistry active skill. Some GMs allow using knowledge skills to act as teamwork tests for the Chemistry test, but in most cases knowledge skills are just for legwork and research purposes.

>>53469101
What this guy said desu, I was just typing it up.

>>53469101
Hey, did you happen to fix the crashing that hits when you try to add a modification to a vehicle? I'm checking before I update from .47

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>>53469188
Just pushed the fix for it now, will be compiled in ~ten minutes or so.

>>53469356
Coolio, thanks for being on top of things. Keep up the solid work. Any chance Mentor's Mask will be available too, or is that still being worked on?

>>53469356
>shitters clogged

What's a good piece of armour for a shapeshifting magician? I need something that provides decent protection, but can be easily ditched and recovered after a run, or at the very least be replaceable easily.

>>53469881
Lined coat. Armor 9, availability 4, stupid cheap. Throw it on, dump it off, easy-peasy.

>>53469974
Also grants a concealability bonus.

>>53469881
Urban explorer jumpsuit is pretty good.

>>53470035
Excellent piece of equipment, and my mage has a custom piece he ordered from the fine folks at YNT. It may not be easy for the purpose of slipping in and out of quickly, though, since it's a full-body armored jumpsuit. Gotta twist your arms back, get that zipper down, and claw out of it. Or however the fuck it's actually meant to work, since they don't go into any sort of depth as far as what equipment is actually like.

>>53470078
It's precisely the complexity of getting in and out of it as to why I didn't recommend any of the jumpsuits or full-armor sets to >>53469881.

Yekka, why is it that the up/down arrows on attributes no longer show unless you mouse over them?

It's a relatively small thing, but honestly it looks a lot worse, and I could easily see new people not realizing they were there.

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>>53470116
People got all salty about mouseover behaviour so I implemented another numericupdown thing, I kind of liked having it not show the updowns. I can change it or bind it to an option, I guess.
>>53469504
Haven't decided how I want to implement it. Easiest would be to make it a quality I guess, but I don't much like that.

>>53470134
It looks massively better with them showing, honestly. It just leaves this weird lack of a thing being there if they don't show.

>>53470134
Maybe make it an option within the mentor spirit call up? It is tough in general though.

I have a game where a new player (roughly 5 sessions in) wants to do an adept impersonator/face with a pilot-only realistic features anthrodrone servant with him all the time. What shenanigans can I expect?

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>>53470236
That works, it's as logical a place to put it as any.

Incidentally, made some tweaks to the drain value rendering to support the Mentor's Mask stuff. The drain value is already updated to include the bonus, but would you guys consider it helpful to include the bonus sources as well?
>>53470147
Reverted it to Always for now, when we get around to completing the new options branch I'll set everything to be dynamic.

>>53472362
Yeah, including proper bonus sources is always useful to have.

I'm giving my sorta-facey character some scars, Where should they be? I'll leave it up to you guys.

>>53472650
Upper Back/Shoulders
They should look like rows

I am so tired chummers. I can't enjoy the game anymore. I neither can nor wish to tell my other team mates what to do but the moment I stop everything goes to hell. Planning for the run have come down to me looking at this and trying to figure things out. At least some of them try to help but one just says how shit my plans are and gives none of his own. And this is killing me on the inside.
I dont think I can run the shadows any more...

>>53473199
Let them plan
Tell them that you are tired of it and you want to see how they do
Give them advice how to do stuff but never actually do it for them ("Where do I search?" "Well, information on this kind of shit is found at X, Y, Z and W")
Make no plan, search for no info
Make precautions to get out if necessary

If they make it? Then you know that they at least can follow orders/search for themselves
If not? Well, too bad

>>53473387
>>53473199
Plan for yourself, and let them get themselves killed.

>>53473199
>>53473387
Though I'd also like to know
What Edition, what archetype, what city and what archetypes are they

Hey, what happens if you're a decker or technomancer inside a system, and the system is forcibly shut down (say, by pulling a breaker)? Just dumpshock?

>>53473498
Dumpshock.

>>53461930
CGL can't into properly designing their spirits (though I think Task Spirits can also heal if you give them the skill). Doesn't change the rules.

>The descriptions also include the type of spirits each tradition uses to perform particular functions, as well as the attributes they use for Drain. Mages of that particular tradition may only summon the spirits listed with the tradition, and they are restricted in the tasks they can assign them. Assigning tasks outside the general area of their tradition will not receive a response from the spirit (for example, a Buddhist mage telling an air spirit to heal him will get no response, as air is a Combat spirit in that tradition, while the Health spirit is earth).

>>53473566
CGL can't into properly designing the rules. Doesn't change the spirits

>>53435884

Can I go ghost i the shell and have a NEEt rigger/Decker who communicates through Tandem Drones?

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>>53473498
>say, by pulling a breaker

There is no breaker switch to pull in 5e. Everything is interconnected and cloud-based, there are no server farms for someone to spill coffee on (or maybe there are, but everything is distributed so widely that blowing up a particular farm wouldn't take out a given host).

That said, if you go off Crash 2.0 and Data Trail rules about crashing a host via the Foundation, people in the host get dumped into the scaffolding or Foundation. No dump shock per se, but probably worse for you all things considered.

>>53473760
>Everything is interconnected and cloud-based, there are no server farms for someone to spill coffee on (or maybe there are, but everything is distributed so widely that blowing up a particular farm wouldn't take out a given host).
Unless you happen to be assaulting a software/hardware test lab. Don't want whatever it is you're testing rigged up to any more network than it absolutely has to be.

>>53473457
5th edition, Amsterdam. We have decker, mage, adept and the face being the critique saying there is nothing for him to do. I'm your regular street sam.
Last session was sneaking into a vory mansion and extracting a target before they can interrogate him. Adept was out so I took the part of physical infiltration.
So decker is on overwatch, mage is behind me warning me for astral. Face refused the offer to make some kind of distraction at the front so he stayed with the decker in the car.
All goes well I'm in the building, give direct connection to the decker and tell him to disable the drones when we make our escape. Get to the room, drop neurostun grenade. Some of the bodyguards are still standing and scream for help but I know them out fast. 4 more gurds come running but the decker have disable all warning systems so nothing else. Grab the target and start running while the guards start dragging people out.
In the same time Mage is making her way towards me while Decker takes control of the drones. What does he orders them? ”Ram people”. With mage being the closest target.
Im still in hoping the decker have disabled the drones. Grab my comllink and start running out.
Some guards show behind at open fire and enemy mage start throwing manabolts at me. Good thing our Mage survived the drones and showed right next to me. Physical barrier and and counterspelling cover my escape. But the mage decides to run away in the complete opposite direction of me while still dueling the enemy mage. Great.
Gets even better when I see 8 drones running behind me. Even better when the decker decides to speak dutch while we were pretending to be russians. Also the drones get nice recoding of the Face license place which he have not removed.
The best thing was the face speaking with the tone "life is suffering, existence is pain"

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>>53452016
Europe got pretty fucked up in the Eurowars, and Germany got fractured enough for the F-State to arise, so I guess it's possible the Junkers came back. It's probably just some of their descendants cosplaying, just like the Tir Taingire """""Princes."""""" Becoming an animal tamer shouldn't be too hard, just go shaman or MysAdept, but don't think lizard taming will let you charm Lofwyr into giving you control of all of Deutschland.
>>53452157
Half the USA is controlled by Native Indians, Elves and EvilMexico. Taiping Christians fit in just fine, as long as they're a revival

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