Tyranids vs Necrons

>NPC race Literally Whos

for real who fucking cares

>>53418967
>implying the Nids will be around long enough for the 'crons to actually fight them
If 40k's "comic relief" race can get they're shit together and start curb-stomping your ass, grumpy old tin skeletons are the least of your worries.
>Seriously, the nids got all the way to Octaria, Orks gave them such a hard time that the Swarmlord had to come in, then Thraka shows up and the angry walking mushrooms proceed to kill every fucking Nid on the planet (and the Octarius system, if I understand correctly).
>That's right, the Swarmlord lost to the Ork with more adamantium in his skull then actual brain matter

Seriously, if the nids are losing to Orks (and the Hive Mind losing to Gork n' Mork by extension), there's no way in HELL the Tyranids stand a chance against a fully-awakened, united Necron race.

>>53418967
Necrons will win, their weapons strip atomic particles off of whatever they shoot, you can't adapt to that, bids can't eat necrons for biomass so eventually miss will realise it's not a fight worth fighting and they will fuck off and leave the necrons alone and devour the rest of the galaxy. Necrons will be left to rule over an empty shell of a galaxy.

Chaos can suck my cock

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>>53419109
>Necrons will win, their weapons strip atomic particles off of whatever they shoot, you can't adapt to that, bids can't eat necrons for biomass so eventually miss will realise it's not a fight worth fighting and they will fuck off and leave the necrons alone and devour the rest of the galaxy. Necrons will be left to rule over an empty shell of a galaxy.
Honestly, if the Octarius War is any indication of a trend, it'll be 'crons trying to rule over a galaxy of Orks plus whoever else the nids didn't eat before Hive Mind got sick of this galaxy and left (or just flat out died in the attempt to devour everything).

>>53418967
a force whose power comes from endless recyling of biomass and absorbing biomass from the enemy facing off against a foe who has no biomass and has lightning guns that prevent you from using your own biomass?

if anything, the necron looks like the rock to beat the tyranids scissors

>>53419103
>losing in Octarius

The Orks wiped out ONE wave of tyranids when supercharged by WAAAGH and being lead by Ghazz. Immediately after that Leviathan threw another wave at them and the stalemate continued. The whole point of Octarius is that it's a deadlock, neither side can win. In fact, it plays into both of their long term strategies to keep the war going. Tyranids get an ever replenishing source of biomass, and the Orks get a never ending war against foes who won't run away.

If you want to play that game, the Orks lost a battle in which they initially outnumbered the tyranids millions to one. The nids were able to build back their numbers and BTFO the Orks without any outside reinforcement in what is implied to be a few weeks, if not days.

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>>53420620
>The Orks wiped out ONE wave of tyranids when supercharged by WAAAGH and being lead by Ghazz. Immediately after that Leviathan threw another wave at them and the stalemate continued. The whole point of Octarius is that it's a deadlock, neither side can win. In fact, it plays into both of their long term strategies to keep the war going. Tyranids get an ever replenishing source of biomass, and the Orks get a never ending war against foes who won't run away.
>ONE wave of Tyranids
>Swarmlord jobbed AGAIN in said wave
>the battle of Ghorala takes place in the same war as the battle for Octaria so it doesn't really count.
The nids lost round 1 of the battle for Octaria. Now we're entering round 2.
As for the 'eternal stalemate', it's more a game of meatgrinder vs meatgrinder, and in terms of a war of attrition, my money's on the greenskins here.

>>53421042
>nids lost round 1

Depends where you define "round one" as ending. The tyranids were winning the opening stages, even after having their fleet blown up, and only got stalemated when Orks from outside started showing up. Then Ghazz shows up and wipes all the tyranids off of one planet. Leviathan responds and now more tendrils are heading that way in addition to the forces already there. Orks are also heading there in massive numbers.

Hard to say who will win. On one hand, the Tyranids SHOULD have figured out how to beat the Orks by now, based on what we've seen from how fast they adapted on shadowbrink or in shield of Baal. Spamming toxicrenes and venomthropes like they did on Ixoi would wreck any Orks not in protective gear, and they even tried a similar strategy during this same war, yet we never hear about it happening again. On the other hand, the tyranids probably have figured out several ways how to beat the Orks, it just doesn't matter because no matter how many Orks you kill, more come back to keep fighting.

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>>53418967
this really is the interesting fight.
nids and crons are both very powerful and both hardcounter chaos.

>>53423381
Why does a tyranid have a katana

>>53418967
>Who is goon to win the inevitable smackdown?
necrons have practically all the possible advantages over tyranids except momentarily organization a numbers; if the necrons manage to wake up, both literally and figuratively, in time then they should win unless the tyranids come with a really bullshit number of bodies.

>>53423471
well, damaged necron automatically return to base for repairs, gaussed necron are atomized and cant be recyled

this makes attrition stacked against the nids for once

the necron also have an impressive space force, and the victory against the nids is often won first in space by the imperial navy, so the necron could possibly minimize the effects of off-world reinforcements

>>53423488
i mean gaussed nids

>>53421930
>Hard to say who will win.

I thought the orks would "give up" the system to follow ghaz on armageddon, isn't this what his fluff says, that he went to octaria just to hook the boys?

>>53423467
Thats a bonesword. It is basically like a Nid's variation on a NOTpowersword, but more rapetastic.
>>53423515
That'd be anti-climactic as hell

>>53423515
it appears that the octarius war is turning into a 4 way clusterfuck between nids, orks, eldar, and imperials. its way bigger and better than armegeddon now.

>>53419109
The story from the silent king literally says that unless the "lesser races" stop feeding the nids, even a united necron front cant stop them

So theres your answer, obviously depends how big the INC mega fleet is, but what is currently in the galaxy can wipe the united necron empire if they can grow more

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>>53423559
>That'd be anti-climactic as hell
I don't know, the octarius war isn't really hyped for the control of the territory in question, but the race to arms of the fighters, once established that armageddon is the true ancestral home of the orkish race; finding a narrative expedient to have the 2 alien waves break the clash and head in different directions without any of them looking too much like a loser is a matter of introducing third party agents that fuck up because they don't coordinate or communicate their plans and a little bit of chaos just as planned

lets say for example that tzeentch wanted to take revenge on that time his champion was humiliated by an axe made by khorne, he does so by slightly interfering with the actions of the eldar and the deathwatch trying to undermine whatever possibility of a victor to emerge from the conflict, fuckup follows fuckup and after a deus ex both forces end divided (maybe a warp wall branching out of the cicatrix?) and strengthen by the race to arms of the conflict that got negated the final confrontation that would have depleted it: the tyranids for having devoured the biomass on the worlds, the orks for having had a way to unite practically all the remaining boys of this side of the galaxy.

now the nids head wherever to provide cannon fodder for the return of the silent king, while the orks would head to armageddon where they can curbstomp the resident worf, angron (which would have been introduced and jerked off in a previous campaign, always on armageddon), and have tzeentch have the last laugh at khorne for having his champion job to xenos.

screencap this
I made it up, but I will surprised if it doesn't happen

>>53418967
>Chaosfags need not apply

Because you know you'd lose.
Chaos are the only faction who could pull off something on the scale of the Cicatrix Maledictum.

>>53423467
It's the most perfect killing device ever created, so it's only natural the Hivemind would seek to recreate its power.

A Necron dynasty will sell/rent the keys to the webway to the Tau. It could have already done so with the Fourth and Fifth Spheres of Expansion going on.

>>53425251
Except the Celestial Orrery can make any star in the galaxy go supernova at the whim of its lord. Literally the only canonical reason we have so far for the Necrons not nuking everyone's homeworld with the press of a button is they can't be assed to reorganise the galaxy's gravity network afterwards and don't believe the mortal races are worth it.

>>53425390
Yea necrons are the only race that could legit kill a chaos god.
But the warps space time is weird, so they realized that fighting chaos is not worth it.

The moment they start shooting planets, the amount of emotion in the galaxy will go down, weakening all the chaos gods.

Then they can close the eye of terror and laugh about it

>>53418967
You have to remember, the Necrons vs. Tyranids fight isn't one of extermination. There is no way the Necrons could wipe out all the Tyranids without some kind of super science ass-pull. Rather, the Necrons need to convince the Nids that eating this galaxy isn't worth it.

>>53425675
I think it's more a matter that Necrons could exterminate the Tyranids, but it'd take so long that by the time they finish off the last fleets half the galaxy, including half of their Tomb Worlds would be barren, and that's not the kind of tradeoff they'd be particularly happy to do.

>>53425695
Yeah but the Tyranids aren't stupid. They have no personal stake in this galaxy. If it proves too hard to eat, they'll just find another one. They're a threat to the Universe, not just to the galaxy.

>>53425931
>They have no personal stake in this galaxy.

We know they can't go that long without food.
They might not be able to make it to another galaxy after committing to this one.

>>53418967
Why would they fight? They're literally the only races that could exist side by side as they each have nothing the other wants.

>>53421042
>Orkimedes

>>53425695
Their tomb worlds are already barren though, they're lifeless barren deserts and there is nothing for the tyranids to eat.

>>53426705
>Why would they fight?

The Tyranids have a bad habit of eating the Necron's property.

>>53426854
>Their tomb worlds are already barren though

No they're not. People often live on Tomb Worlds.

It's important to remember that Necrons have /some/ limit on their energy supply or consumption. Otherwise they would truly beastmode everything. Having the best weapons means having the most expensive ammo. They can repair all of their guys, but all that takes time, energy, and materiel. Its not like necrodermis is made of iron, is it?


Necrons really need to get their shit together and start Dysoning up suns /without/ feeding them to the C'tan this time. Then you can start churning out the kinds if superweapons you really want to employ scorched earth tactics against the Nids. Gauss is cute, but if Nids can already digest rock and magma, they can digest carbon dust left behind from atomized Gaunts. It's a question of power ratios, and currently the Nids are fine.

>>53426895
Necrons have perfect matter-energy conversion. Scarabs use it to eat things, and then later use the energy to build other things at the direction of Spyders (including more scarabs). Where do they store the energy? Fuck knows, but they probably just beam it through a microscopic "dimensional pocket" straight to a tomb world or something.

>>53421042
>>53421930
Why would the nids want to win?

More dead orcs = more food

>>53419344
I really want a humorous take on all this staff.

Necrons and Tyranids battle for a couple thousand years. Finally Necrons seem to be winning and BTFO the last of Tyranids. They pat themselves on the back and ready for celebration. While they are partying a "necron warrior" comes up to the table where all the Lords are sitting and gives them a paper piece.

On it in crayon is written "Did you know that biomass is mostly some carbon an oxygen?"

Every last piece of rock and planet in the galaxy transforms into Tyranids.

Round 2! Fight!

>>53425516
>The moment they start shooting planets, the amount of emotion in the galaxy will go down, weakening all the chaos gods.

That was before new lore. Now Chaos gods don't need no emotions. They just win.

>>53426166
>They might not be able to make it to another galaxy after committing to this one.
Assuming they attack only one galaxy at once instead of making contingency plans and sending some stealth splinter fleets to other places. Just for insurance.

>>53427613
Scarabs convert all types of matter, Necrons still win.

>>53418967
Everyone beats the fuck out of the tyranids, we're never allowed to win.

>>53427699
Well yes. But now we are now talking not about couple of thousand years but a couple of millions. And by the time the war will end everything that is not stars will be either some sort of tyranid or necron.

If Tyranids do not evolve somewhere down the road. Then even stars will be either necron or tyranid. Tentacles vs metal skulls. FOREVER!

>>53427708
>won Anphelion project
>won shield of Baal
>leviathan yet to suffer any sort of major loss

What are you talking about? The only ones who get consistently BTFO are imperial guard and Orks. And the only ones who rek guardlets harder than tyranids are the Tau

>>53423515
>I thought the orks would "give up" the system to follow ghaz on armageddon, isn't this what his fluff says, that he went to octaria just to hook the boys?
>>53423737
>>53423564

Officially the voices in his head (read: Gork n' Mork have some sort of kunnin' plan in the works) have instructed him once the fight on Octaria gets going again (Octarius War Round 2 really kicks off), he's headed out to a new sector to drag that one into an unending war as well. Apparently the Orks are only 3-4 sectors away from the Ork population reaching critical mass (they're already the largest race by population in the galaxy as it is!). Ghazghkull had a vision of himself stomping around the galaxy, each planet bursting into flames under his iron boots (he's destined to be 40k's Beast/Prime-Ork?).

As for him going back to Armageddon: Thraka's been psychically communicating (and scaring half to death) his lieutenants back at his planet-sized game of regicide with Ol' Man Yarrick (from a completely different sector no less), so he knows what's happening with the Khorne gitz and Angron aka Mr. I-jobbed-to-Grey-Knights. Orkimedes has already been secretly developing a tellyporta will be able to transport Ghaz all the way from Octarius to Armageddon, so I will be VERY surprised if the Prophet of the Waaagh! doesn't make an appearance for that Imperium vs Orks vs Chaos bloodbath.

>>53427871
>Orkimedes has already been secretly developing a tellyporta will be able to transport Ghaz all the way from Octarius to Armageddon, so I will be VERY surprised if the Prophet of the Waaagh! doesn't make an appearance for that Imperium vs Orks vs Chaos bloodbath.

That's kind of not orky enough. On the other hand tellyporting Octaria with all the orks and tyranids to Armageddon - that is pretty orky.

>>53427858
>The only ones who get consistently BTFO are imperial guard and Orks
Ghazzy and his boyz would like a word with you. Getting every nid wiped off Octaria for awhile was a pretty big setback for a Hive Fleet like Leviathan. The Orks bloodied the nid's nose pretty good on Octaria. There's a reason Leviathan redirected multiple tendrils toward the Octarius Sector for round 2. It's going to take more than one tendril to deal with such stubborn biomass (the fact their Shadow in the Warp ability doesn't work on Orks isn't helping matters either).

And yes, the nids did get BTFO'd at Octaria. Leviathan put a Swarmlord on the planet to deal with the dug-in greenskins, and yet when Ghazghkull showed up, the two never crossed paths (it's not mentioned in any codex or supplement that I've seen anyway), meaning the Swarmlord JOBBED TO UNNAMED ORK BOYZ.

I mean, at least when the Swarmlord died in other campaigns it got killed by special characters like Marneus Calgar. This time it was killed by minions. That's a pretty solid BFTO to the nids if you ask me.
(seriously GW, you couldn't have Ghazghkull rip its head off with his power claw or something instead? At least this death wouldn't be so damn insulting.)

>>53428034
>That's kind of not orky enough. On the other hand tellyporting Octaria with all the orks and tyranids to Armageddon - that is pretty orky.
>Guilliman and Angron are fighting on Armageddon
>suddenly there's a giant green flash and one VERY confused Swarmlord is thrown into Angron's back as a Beast-sized Ghazzy steps into view
>Armageddon suddenly gets a brand-new planetary neighbor full of panicking nids who no longer have a connection to the Bio-Ships they came from
>Both Armageddon and Octarius Sectors are fucked even more than before
Okay, that IS pretty orky.

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can someone explain to me
CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME
the level of niggerdom that is required to think guass weapons make tyranids unable to eat the remains of dead nids?
>guass rifle dismantles a nid into oxygen, carbon, and hydrogen atoms
>rippers and other organisisms eat atoms, suck up the dust, and goto digestion pools
>hive ships slurpie the digestion pools
>hive ships make new nids from the slurpie
this isnt hard.... unless youre a n/tg/ger.

>>53428228
They will fight until the stars burn out.

>>53428228
Tyranids consume all organic matter living or dead as well as the atmosphere of a planet so pretty much total niggerdom.

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>>53426981
>necrons have perfect matter energy covertion
amount of energy required to create 1kg of matter with 100% efficiency =8.987X10^16 joules

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The outcome is uncertain for both sides which makes for fun engagement from both players.
Both can claim supremacy in different regards but only tactics and a bit of luck can see a battle go one way or another.

Good times to be had by all.

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>>53428406
a 4MW nuclear power plant would take 634 years to make enough energy to create one kg of matter.
so how much better are cron power plants?

1000 times? 231 days for 1kg.
1million times? 5.5 hours for one kg

and thats at 100% efficiency which is impossible. assume 33% efficiency and the price is 3 times as much.

the matter to energy conversion thing is silly. just silly

>>53428406
>amount of energy required to create 1kg of matter with 100% efficiency =8.987X10^16 joules
>ammount of matter required to create 8.987X10^16 joules of energy with 100% efficiency = 1kg

What this means, is that Necron machinery can work at with ridiculous energy needs (allowing all the casual space-bending and teleportation they do), since they don't need more than a brick being digested by a scarab somewhere to power a Monolith for a million years.

And going the other direction, if they need to build stuff they can just do matter->energy->matter, and turn any mass of stuff into an equal mass of other stuff.

Necron tech is super OP. It's just being wielded by brain-damaged nobles, hoarded by constantly scheming crypteks, and scattered across the galaxy disconnected from each other.

>>53428641
Dunno man, some ancient alien race sciencing energy-to-matter conversion up to make it reasonably work seems to be one of the less silly things in 40k. I mean, compared to passively-psychic fungus hooligans, superdemons created by emotions in hyperhell and bugs that devoured whole galaxies and are attracted by a psychic lighthouse, directed by a half-dead guy comprised of the souls of thousands of psykers.

>>53421042
Meat grinders are perfect for both of them. My head canon is that both are perfectly happy with having top breeding grounds.

>>53418967
Necrons due to their tech and capabilities.

Hell, the motherfucking Transcended C'Tan Shard in the Kryptus System snapped a Hierophant Bio-Titan like a twig.

>>53419311
That pic....I really want to see rules on including anything other factions have to the Orkz in a new version of Looted rule.

>>53418967
I'm going with Nids, but only if they hit a tomb world. They can't retreat when destroyed, not for long anyway, and Nid bio acid is going to eventually eat away at the world itself enough for them to digest it.

>>53428228
I thought necronfags said gauss turned matter into energy

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>>53428456
>Good times to be had by all.

In the fluff as on the table, truly a fun match up

>>53426848
He's actually a pretty old character. Ever since there's been a ghazzy there's been orkimedes. I know I have the old Armageddon book from 3rd/4th and he's mentioned in it quite a bit, also for his tellyporter arrays.

I wonder if we're finally gonna see rules for that since GW keeps bringing that up?

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>>53431929
>tfw armageddon triumphvirate contains: mad dok grotsnik, orkimedes and ghazkull with makari riding on him

>>53432104
>75% of the plastic in the box is taken up by Ghazkull