Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>53409539
First for not working spoilers

Second for Orks being good again?

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>>53409657
>LOOTED ORDINATII WHEN?

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HOLY FUCK YES FUCKING YES KILL MAIM BURN PRAISE KHORNE RIP AND TEAR

RIP AND TEAR THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Reminder that this is a Grand Cultivator of Nurgle and it has an IC rider.

>>53409952
autism: the post

>>53409984
>xenocuck mad he will never get a leviathan
top kek

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/05/24/hygiene-is-high-priority/

Huh, so Pox Walkers have Blight-pox.

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Daily reminder that the Seraphim came second.

so was there any new links by GW today?

>>53410115
Just Forge World.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/24/new-warhammer-40000-a-forge-world-datasheet-may24gw-homepage-post-4/

>>53410105
Oh shit I totally forgot about that piece of art.

Retarded jump nuMarines have been canon all this time!

>>53410105
SoBcucks blown the fuck out yet again.

>>53410142
Damn this thing is scary. What power level (from a meta perspective not the literal power level GW gives us) is this at from a guard perspective? On a scale of:
Guardsmen
Ogryn
Sentinel
Chimera
Hellhound
Leman Russ
Macharious tank
Baneblade superheavy
Titan

Apparently khorne berserkers fight twice now. Presumably the second one is at the end of the fight phase, after everyone else has had a go.

Also, all chaos marines get some rule which lets them attack again if they roll a 6 to hit in close combat possibly just against imperials.

Not really convinced this is good game design. Surely just giving a bonus to hit or more attacks would make things simpler and faster?

1 attack at 3+ with a bonus attack on a 6+ is 0.78 hits per attack and 1 attack at 2+ is 0.83 hits. Is the difference really so important you need an extra set of rolls for every unit every time they fight?

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Who Emperor's Children for 8th ed here?

Can a cybot get alzheimer?

>>53409539
Waldo is by the Lemon Russ below the Stormblade

>>53410092
>Blight-pox
At least it isn't plague disease.

If the whole Sangunior is Sanguinius is truly going to happen i hope its just that Sangunior is just like the spirit of Sanguinius and not actually him. IT would at least make me happy to think its just that the blood angels collective warp presence brought a bit of Sanguinius back to help them.

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>>53410231
Me.

>>53410092
>Perkins Jr.
His legal lives on!

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>>53409539

how does /tg/ feel about new scale marines for 8th?

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>>53410258
ma nigga

>>53410206
Probably about macharius level.

Baneblade > knight > leviathan dread > normal vehicle

>>53410271
I thought the death guard were shorter.

>>53410271
Where's my scaled mk6 corvus?

>>53410300
There's significant variation. One of them is the same height as an old marine, this one seems to be the same height as a primaris.

>>53410346
Makes sense, I suppose. Gives you more variety and not all of them would be the same height.

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>>53409952
Can;t wait to see Orks dread mob from forgeworld.
Mmmm

>>53410105
But anon that art is from marines.

We are talking of your new overlords the Primaris Marines!

To CSM players, a question: did your Hellbrutes/Dreads have marks or legion rules before? Cuz looking at the missing keywords, <Mark of Chaos> and <Legion>, it seems they will now.

Even GW says you greasy neckbeards need a shower:
https://regimental-standard.com/2017/05/24/hygiene-is-high-priority/

>>53410467
>Regular prayer will reinforce your immune system so that you may repel infection as easily as the Skitarii-manned defence guns of an Imperator Titan repel enemy infantry attacks.
I kek'd

>>53410425
Pretty sure there isn't going to be a dreadmob list. There will be units with the ork faction and if you want to make an army of dreads you can choose the detachment with loads of heavy support slots.

>>53410206
In 30k the non-Chaosified version is 270 points base. Those points don't translate exactly to 40k, but it's basically pointed like a Malcador.

>>53410513
Yes, but they must make super-cool dread-mob stratagems.
Like - 5CP - all orks dreads, kans, nauts, and stompas repair all wounds and Use Only One weapons.
Just like in apoc.games.

>>53410271
Fine with it. Been waiting a while for true scale marines.

>>53410465
no, vehicles haven't have access to marks since 3.5

>>53410233
i don't think it matters since they aren't using their brains

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Is there any indication what'll happen to Heretics and Renegades? Did they say they'd be in one of the indexes or are they to be released by Forge World?

What's the worst thing you've done inside a GW store?
Me: during one of those 4th ed. sweaty neckbeard shoulder to shoulder back to the wall event games that took up the entire store, i crouched down below the table and stole a chaplain (ironic) off the shelf by slipping it in my model bag. I was only 14 or so. still feel bad about it

>>53410271
Just wish instead of calling them primaries marines, they were just the new marines period. Scale chaos marines likewise. That way marines are proper scale with proper stats, and are truly elite shock troop/intervention style heavy infantry. On top of it all, you can use your old marines as new marines.

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Saw this the other day.

Penitent Knights!

>>53410666
That's dumb, tbqh. Penitent engines are supposed to be cheap and disposable pieces of equipment.

It looks pretty okay though. I give 7/10

Does shooting rapid fire still prevent you from charging? Assault still exists so probably.

>>53410666
>T8 24W -or- T3 1W to sniper weapons

>>53410610
FW has confirmed that they're updating their marines instantly and might get around to updating some other stuff eventually.
So we might get a new ork book when 10th edition comes out.

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>>53410735

>>53410735
Eversor.

>>53410639
>On top of it all, you can use your old marines as new marines.
Yeah, that's exactly why they didn't do that.

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>>53410711
So it's likely I'll have to run my Khorne Ultramar Auxilia as just guard until proper rules come out.
Oh well. Gives me time to model the vets as gladiators.

>>53410271
green putty+plastic+terminator legs=FUCK YOU

>>53410271
Brazzers logo is missing.

>>53410610
Chaos is one of the FW books they are doing at launch, so hopefully all in there.

What's the best way to find warhammer players when living in the villages lads? Wouldn't mind some 8th editioning.

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So, are they going to release new CSM like the one at the bottom of the pic, or is that just a one-off?

>>53410843
You will get your everchosen undivided.

>>53410711
>>53410805
>eventually
they said everything should be out by the end of june

>>53410843
Isn't that a possessed?

New chaos marines are probably not going to happen until story progresses to Fabius Bile stealing the primaris process or something like that to justify them getting bigger.

Anybody have a comparison pic between Abaddon and the Primaris?

>>53410840
head to the nearest FLG
i spend 1 hour in transit going to mine

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>>53410234
I knew the Waldo I used was too fat.

Why isn't Eldar more popular? Space marines are boring, seriously. If I wanted space marines, I'd play Mass Effect.

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>>53410639

I like this idea, and is initially what I thought the new marine was. A bit disappointed when I found out about the "primaries marines" to be frank.
And as you say, they could have even given you the option of using the old marines. As long as GW was supplying new stuff (up-scaled everything!), people would eventually buy the new cool stuff, and we all know this!

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Bets on the first old marine character to take the primaris treatment?

Also, does the entire 40k setting run on bigger=better now? The new captain is notably bigger than the generic primaris.

The hell does -5 AP do? Remove the 2+ armor entirely?

>>53410863
By everything they meant 1 book per *major* faction.
I doubt renegades and heretics will get a mention, let alone rules, Dred mob and Elysian shock troopers will probably be squatted too. Maybe death korps will get rules, but that's as niche as they'll probably go with sub-factions.

>>53411039
Dante.

>>53410914
I don't want to be allah snackbared to play with toy soldiers.

>>53411016
Giving marines a new unit will sell those models more effectively than just upscaling marines. Now everyone will buy a new marine army who wants one and the oldfags will buy the new super marines for their current lists

Is there anything mentioned so far as to the release of new Daemon units?

>>53411041
And combat effects that reduce ap.

>>53410879
Fabius bile was already making 'new men' however long ago.

But I think they just represented that with combat drugs.

Will be very sad if there's something Bile can't do which Cawl can.

>>53411039
Probably Siccarius or Calgar. Ultramarines have had the procedure the longest.

>It makes sense. Cypher somehow knew about Primaris Marines. He and the Fallen helped Rowboat to get close. When they left, they took the information on how to become Primaris. We'll have Primaris Fallen. It's why we didn't get a new Fallen kit.

>>53411041
Yes.

Also useful for offsetting any bonuses to save, which seem pretty common.

>>53411007
Eldar is very popular but they're space elves and people prefer to play as humans mostly.

Space marines are nothing like mass effect. If you want mass effect it'd be like guard/Tau alliances not space marines.

Space marines would be the villains in mass effect.

>>53411082
So it's not true that armor can't be reduced below 6+?

>>53411099
Armour can be reduced to 7+ (removed entirely)

>>53411041

Yes, although cover is now an armour save modifier so it might still be possible to get a 6+ or even 5+ against it.

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he's just a whim away

>>53411099
Did they ever claim that to be true? What did you think happened when 6+ armour met -1 Ap?

>>53411041
a 2+ becomes a 7+, but can still be affected by other modifiers (being in cover would bring a 7+ to a 6+, psychic buffs might have a way to improve it also, etc)

if it is like AoS, models without a save at all cannot gain one through buffs.

>>53411095
1 out of 10 in my local meta is Eldar.

>>53409952
is this the first unit we've seen with over S10 attacks?

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>>53411077
>marines
>outclassing mechanicus
>at anything
>ever
<amused modem noises>

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>>53410735
You know which one.

>>53411116
>>53411117
They said they didn't want people to be removing models without being able to do anything about it. 6+ being the worst armor save seemed implied.

>>53411069
No

>>53411120
1/3 here

>>53411007
¿?¿?

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Ah yes
New GW

>>53411144
so it might vary a bit from AoS then. Likely they will also copy over the rule from the GHB that prevents 1+ armor saves.

>>53411007
Mass Effect does not have Space Marines
At least say Starship Troopers

How much is due to popularity and GW shoving marines everywhere.

Each edition starter has marines.
Beside the bike game for DE has marines (unless I forgot of another)

There is marines everywhere, to the point of making the elite soldiers the common regular army.

>>53410629
Was it at least nice looking, you walking human garbage?

Ork Faction Focus tomorrow. What do y'all expect?
>doubling cost of all ork units because model count is too high.
>vehicles and guns stop working once you take too many casualties because waaagh energy dying down.
>ghazghkull squatted
>orks no longer have flyers or jetbikes because no high tech.
>ork boys have 1/2 wound characteristic which means, as long as something hits they die with only cover saves allowed.

>>53411138
wd kitbash

>>53411157
>getting new players into the hobby is a bad thing
the vedros box is actually a really sweet value

>>53411039
Treatment?
I thought Primaris were humans grown better than normal marines, not marines who got double marine'd.

>>53411135
mechanicus players are becoming the new tau players.

>>53410711
I believe they said all FW stuff would be updated by the end of June, but we'll see.

>>53411041
You can have a 2+ save, +2 to armor saves from being dug in to cover, and probably a few pyschic powers that give +1 to your save

>>53411170
>Beside the bike game for DE has marines (unless I forgot of another)
Execution Force

>>53411200
It can be that or upgraded regular ones.

>>53410271
Sigmaries Marines are best marines. Finally decent models

>>53411215
Were killing Chaos SPACE MARINES

>>53409138
What the hell is that? Is it forge world?

>>53411157
Count your blessings man, if they sold battle for vedros here I would but the everloving shit out of it.

>>53411200
Nope. The Primaries upgrade is just a double Marine upgrade, can even be used on existing Marines (gotta get people to replace their Marine models!)

>>53411236
see
>>53411185

>>53411197
>>53411239
What is so good about that box?

>>53411236
No. It's just a custom thing they made.

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>>53410231
Reporting in, I mostly have Renegades right now but I'm working on my Emperor's Children allies.

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>play death in AOS
>play necrons in 40k
>mfw nothing has come out for either in a year
why bother

>>53411170
Shepard is literally a space marine, though?

They need to make more starter boxes then. 9th ed should have LSM vs. CSM and Xenos: Empires vs. Hordes boxes.

>>53411262
Join your heroes then.

>>53411253
>>53411185
I don't recognise that one in particular, but it may have had rules and everything. There used to be a tonne of units with no models, but rules, I remember an orky blimp in particular.

>>53411262
Start converting then.

>>53411271
No.

>>53410453
Primaris marines exist because standard marines are too weak.
They're supposed to be the heaviest infantry in the game and frankly they've been lacking, so everyone just took bikes or mechanised lists and it was sad.
Hopefully now they should be taking "shoot Nids and charge guard" to the next level, whilst still giving sadfags an opportunity to play their pre-buff marines

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>Be Chaoslet
>Brother Chad keeps hitting my face with my own hands

HELP ME DARK GODS

>>53411271
No, He's N7, Stomstrooper, at best he's a D-99 equivalent.

Is Eldar psychic phase really OP? Farseers are damn expensive, and you're better off dumping your 100 points into something that shoots, rather than something that may or may not be useful at any given turn.

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>>53411262
I know this very same feel

>>53411307
Ok

>>53411007
I don't know about others, but for me it's because their models and design are butt ugly in my eyes. Their fluff is good (mostly) otoh.
The reverse are DEldar, where I find their lore shit but the models look pretty cool.

>>53411262
I guess you cold say your factions are pretty... unsupported

>>53411336
Fuck you anon, I got my hopes up.

Mechanicum flyer when?

>>53411271
"Space Marines", as in marines in space, are in the imperial guard, specifically stormtroopers, kasrkins or scions. Space marines in 40K are heavy assault shock troopers, more like if you gave SEALs tanks to wear. A killteam of space marines is a group of 5 that are sent in for a specific task, and then extracted. Larger scale marine combined arms forces are only deployed when there are 100x that in imperial guard present, unless it's a situation unsuited to any guard.

>>53411305
He's a marine...in space. Sounds like a space marine to me.

>>53411271
Honey no.
Space Marines in 40k requiere power armour and genetic modification.

The general use for Space Marines goes from regular dudes in power armour to super cool dude in power armour.

Commander Sheep. Does not use a power armour. Even after all the Cerberus stuff he is still just a guy in an armoured space suit.

Shepard is closer to Isaac from Dead Space than a 40k Space Marine

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>>53411177
I'm expecting orks to get slightly buffed, but not enough to make up for their inherent disadvantages in the new system (cover and morale rules screw them over). Something like 5 points per boy, small morale / melee bonus at 10/20 models, extra wound or two on some characters.

Article will focus on a special character, a vehicle which will be described as much more durable and some of the wacky stuff like the shokk attack gun. The tourneyfag writing it who never played them in his life will claim they were always one of his favourite armies. There will be a huge chorus of people claiming that orks are great now, despite no context or grasp of how math works (see: all the fuckers saying template and twin-linked changes are great for orks).

>>53411258
It has 5 marines, a terminator captain, a dreadnought, a power armor captain, 5 nobz, a warboss, a deff kopter, 12 boyz, dice, and simplified rules (which will not interest most veteran players, but still), all for 50 bucks.

The sculpts themselves originated in the Assault on Black Reach starter.

>>53411016
Devil's advocate, but some people might want to use the old marines with the lower points costs.
Bolt gun and bolt rifle are equally good at killing a guardsman.

Ofc that depends on the cost difference that 1A 1W 6" provides

>>53411358
Actual name for space marines in 40k is Adeptus Astartes precisely because they're not marines who happen to be in space.

>>53411276
it was in a special scenario if i remember correctly. a huge fucking battle with multiple fronts like beach, same level platform etc.

>>53410271
Ok with scale, not looking forward to the fact that GW is going to use this as an excuse to charge 50 bucks for 5 models made out of the same plastic

>>53411358
>He's a marine...in space. Sounds like a space marine to me.

Sure he is a space marine, but not an Adeptus Astartes, or known in low gothic: a Space Marine

>>53411393
Sorry but they made that up for copyright purposes. Space marines are space marines.

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im an undivided chaos player, pretty new to the game. around 1000pts, am i the only one that doesn't wanna buy anymore models and just wait until they release new chaos undivided shit, feels like a waste

im a fan of death guard but it seems odd that they have primarus aka vanilla marines which can be any chapter vs plague marines which only really one legions uses(two if ur counting BL), would of made sense to have black legion or something that uses all chaos units instead of having a legion which a tiny base of the chaos community plays.

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>>53411307
>damn expensive

not really, 100 points for lv3 and 115 on bike is amazing. not to mention they've been used as the standard hq choice for years. phoenixlords are expensive and finecast, autarchs are okay, spiritseers are limited, warlock councils are/were great

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Are Grey Knight's currently competitive? Or are they just far behind when compared to say Ynnari?

>>53411358
He's not a 7 foot acid spitting man-tank with 2 hears, 3 lungs and fused ribs

So not a Space Marine.

>>53411384
I haven't seen a single good reason to field primarines yet, unless you're one of those truescale autists. Even the humble tactical squad is way more versatile with the wargear options they have.

New marines would be better in melee with proper melee weapons, but even the jump pack version only has ranged weapons. So even for that Terminators seem to be the superior choice.

>>53411384
>Bolt gun and bolt rifle are equally good at killing a guardsman.

Bolt rifle is better it has AP: -1 and an extra 6" range. Of course you can probably have more bolters, but we'll have to have points first.

>>53411384
>Bolt gun and bolt rifle are equally good at killing a guardsman.
they're not
a bolt rifle means the amount of saved wounds is halved if the squad is in the open

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How hard to choose a legion. im between Alpha and Thousand Sons and dont know what to buy. I already have squad of choosen, csm, lord, sorc and ahriman
Maybe wait before new releases? Will they release fucking headhunters for 40k?

>>53411358
It's the FW not being GW all over again!

Why are we having so many autistic retards crawling out of the walls?!

>>53411366
>all the fuckers saying template and twin-linked changes are great for orks
You know these people never played a game with Orks in their life. New twin linked does nothing to help orks, as if you had 2 shots twin linked you would only ever get 1 hit anyway, and flamers were always amazing for orks, they've barely really changed.
What we need are ways to ignore shooting modifiers, more shots per weapon, fnp, and more reliability in general. I can imagine properly balanced ork vehicles having low toughness but having tonnes of wounds in comparison to similar imperial ones.

Also I want flyers to be able to charge so I can 9/11 imperial knights with dakkajets

>>53411384
>Bolt gun and bolt rifle are equally good at killing a guardsman

Except they aren't
Boltgun is 24" S4 AP0 D1
Boltrifle is 30" S4 AP-1 D1

Boltguns Wound on 3+ and give Guardsmen a 5+ (plus mods)

Boltrifle Wounds on 3+ and gives the Guardsmen a 6+ (plus mods)

>>53411432
>7th edition
We're hot garbage. Every game is an uphill battle with iron balls chained to your ankles. We can't even fight Daemons effectively with all their formation bonuses.

>8th
W848. We don't know shit about them yet. I hope we get some love.

>>53411384
Depending on how many points the numarines cost, the old marines might still end up being very potent, and the larger squad sizes make the old marines pretty flexible and dangerous.

>>53411432
in 7th grey knights are not competitive. libby, terms, double dreadknight is serviceable but they're not fast enough for objectives and they can't match daemons for psychic powers

>>53411432
There is no more "currently".
Wait to 8th and then ask.

>>53411431
ML3 isn't so hot when you realize half your spells are useless, and your useful spells only do anything half of the time.

>>53410666
Oh hey, that's a buddy's of mine. I can ask him anything or request pics if needed

>>53411441
Killing Tau, basically.

>>53411432
Grey Knights are far, far from competative.

They can do alright in a somewhat casual scene, but if people are spamming scatbikes, wraightknights, and Riptides you can forget about it.

But this is most likely going to change within a few weeks.

>>53411474
Until the grav-rape train came into the station.

>>53411502
Until GK gets out of its Jack of all trades identity crisis, it's always gonna be mid tier at best.

>>53411177
>army-wide fnp 4+EVEN on mortal wounds.
>boyz and etc. 2w
>Nobs and etc. T5 and 4wounds
>Looted carnifex
>flash gits still shit

>>53411454
Which do you like the looks of more? Space magic egypt vs space snek spies?
Are you willing to wait if you hope for any AL/undivided specialstuffs?

>>53411454
>headhunters for 40k
no, wont happend

if u already have ahriman could go 1ksons since only a few squads are needed for a game since they are so expensive points wise

>>53411500
What makes primarines better at killing Tau ?

>>53410271
Kinda hate it, makes me feel like the army I just bought doesn't fit in :/
I feel like it's sorta shitty for everyone's old armies (if they care about aesthetics, which I kinda do, painting and customizing a cool looking army is my main motivation for playing any tabletop war game)

Space marines can't be that special if CIVILIANS (i.e Eldar Guardians) can easily kill the best of them (i.e. terminators.)

>>53411469
Yeah it's based on the points.
Stripping wounds has never been easier so multiwound models might be seeing a price drop.

Or.. space marines might, and everything else has gotten a minimum-effort rebalance for the index and will still be shit.

>>53411518
It's not even that.
In 7e they were Marines+1, but that plus one was all in offense and none in survivability.

So we had 20-30pt models as durable as a 14pt Tactical.

Follow up that the plus one was also put into melee boosts (as opposed to Deathwatch which were Marines+1 (Shooting)) and 7e WAS a shooting edition.

In 8e getting D3 damage on all melee that will be huge, and combined with removing the stranglehold 7e put on Psychics. Things are looking "okay" but W8-4-8.

>>53411479
i find 2 spells a turn is pretty good. 2/7 powers for the farseer are meh while the rest are great

>>53411557
>Eldar tech so good it can turn civilians into competent soldiers always having been a big thing in their fluff

Weak bait/8

>>53411356
>>53411359
Imperial Guard: Movie Starship Troopers*
Tempestus Scions: Kurt Russel 'Soldier'
Space Marines: The Metabaron and his 99 brothers.
*If you're Cadian. Catachan are the Broforce.

>>53411540
Their guns can compete in range better, they can tank twice as many pulse rifle shots, they reduce the 4+ and when they eventually charge they have an extra attack each which is neat.

>>53411557
Crunch =/= fluff
Space Marines have been slowly but steadily escalating in power fluffwise since 1st ed, going from literal space marines to 9 foot tall brain eating acid spitting posthuman demigods, while their rules in-game have stayed the same. New marine models are an attempt to fix that, but it's probably only going to get worse, as custodes are just marines +1 on the tabletop but can apparently take on entire chapters of marines in lore.

Just came out from under a rock from a half decade of slumber

is finecast still shit?

>>53411518
>Jack of all trades identity crisis
Explain please.

>>53411580
Enjoy your 100pt twin linking machine.

>53411557
>>53411581
Combine with the fact that those "Civilians" probably have more battlefield experience than most Guardsmen. It just further shows how dangerous Eldar warriors should be.

>>53411591
Broforce! Kicking ass for justice and liberty!
For freedom and the flag!

>>53411606
They have good shooting, they have good melee, they're not particularly great at either.

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>>53411271
Yes and no. When Mass Effect 1 starts, before he's given his broad discretionary powers as a SPECTRE, Shepard is more or less an Alliance special forces/infantry/security officer. The Alliance military is organized as a navy, but the game calls Alliance grunts soldiers three hundred times for every time it calls them marines. The game does occasionally call them marines, though, so technically Shepard could be considered a marine in space.

The rank of Alliance rank of N7 means he's among the most bestest trained that they've got.

In 40k terms, he's basically a scion captain turned inquisitor. Then he becomes a traitor captain, and then a rogue trader, and then sort of becomes warmaster for the Imperium.

>>53411417
That's what they've been known as in-universe since 2e.

Yes AA is easier to copyright because space marine can be just marines in space, whereas 40k space marines are a specific thing: meta
-humans in power armor who have a cult-like devotion to the emperor as a father figure & a monastic lifestyle outside of battle

That's a very specific concept that is not just jarheads with laser guns & space ships.

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>>53411520
I want space spies-mages
>>53411522
Actually my sorc is 30k ahriman so i can use his as second sergeant for rubrics and have 2 squads from 1 box. And i cant have full infiltrated army in 8e. Meh
Am i right what i cant use csm and choosen in TS army cause they have no formations with them?

>>53411608
then who do you suggest as an eldar hq instead?

>>53411605
mileage may vary, but there are a lot more plastic kits now, and for chaos and imperial at least there seem to be more on the way

>>53411633
>cause they have no formations with them?
Formations are no longer a thing in 8th

>>53411624
I wouldn't say they have good shooting. They didn't have the weapons for that. If you wanted Marines+1 (Shooting), Deathwatch did that with Special Ammo and good ranged weapons.

>>53411599
>Their guns can compete in range better
Tactical and Devastator marines can take weapons that outrange most Tau units. And now that you can move and fire heavy weapons with only a -1 to hit why wouldn't you want those ?

>they can tank twice as many pulse rifle shots
Depends on the points value, if you can take 2 normal marines for one primarine it's not much of a difference.

> they reduce the 4+
They do have that, but I wonder if that is enough compensation for not being able to take las-plas

>and when they eventually charge they have an extra attack each which is neat.
Reaching close combat against Tau, good one.

>>53411648
I was just pointing out that the complaints of Eldar psychic phase being OP is bullshit.

>>53411656
Psycannons are good.

>>53411633
>space spies-mages
Create your own renegade warband then.
I don't fucking know.

I just bought a plague marine army from chinamen (21 plague marines, plague drone, nurgle dreadnought, great unclean one, 5 nurgle terminators, plague renegade priest, and an official Get Started nurgle daemons box set.

Did I do good? and lastly, should I try to mod and upscale my plague marines for the new edition before I build them? If that's the trend, I kinda want my army to look more new.

>>53411652
TS would be CSM subffaction or separated?

>>53411683
Subfaction.

>>53411678
>24"
>Salvo

Almost.

>>53411591
What would book starship troopers equal to? Tau crisis suits?

>>53411691
Nah, Inquisitorial acolytes with power armour.

>>53411628
>since 2e
actually "adeptus astartes" and "space marines" are both from rogue trader, in a time when copyright claims weren't really in the developers minds

The GW guys at the time probably wanted their funky faux latin shit, but also realized that saying faux-latin shit out loud often makes you sound like a retard.

>>53411678
Psycannons used to be good. Now they have Salvo and are only good on terminators, which is too much points to spam effectively.

Power armour GK can only fire 12'' with their psycannons after moving.

>>53411651
plastic models? like gunplas?

>>53411691
Kind of. It is more a middle ground between a regular dude in power armour that can also jet pack away.

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oh shit

>>53411705
It was the 80's.
Everything sounded retarded and they loved it. Then we went though the 90's when everything had to be edgy and got to now, which is when everything has to be nu.

>>53411682
yes you saved money

no don't try to mod resin models

>>53411751
>S=3
nani

>>53411751
>3 attacks
Is this because pistols won't give extra CC anymore? I mean boyz could shoot in melee, but that's a joke

>>53411681
Hmmm. it will be warband of alpha legioneers under rubric. And they returned half of their bodies as snakes because Ahriman. And the literally become hydras
And i forgot to include magic to them. Maybe its destiny?

>>53411751

>Didn't include I2 in the photoshop

Are you even trying?

>>53411751
Two options here:
1. You're a liar
2. It's the bargain-bin rules conversion we always knew it was.

Get ready for your 1W terminators, chaos scum!

>>53411751
That is more fake than my tits

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jesus christ the face on the death guard sorcerer

>>53411751
>Ld 7
you arent even trying

>>53411722
Yeah, there's nobody in 40k who quite lines up with the way book troopers work - Tau battlesuits, and the stuff worn by Sisters and Inquisitors, is in the general direction, but of course they have very different training and tactics from the mobile infantry.
(And if anyone's wondering about Master Chief - the Spartans very much feel like a slightly more 'realistic' take on the Adeptus Astartes - *somewhat* ridiculous genetic modifications, *somewhat* ridiculously powerful suits. Fluffled out pretty much the same, though - if they managed to exist in a crumbling space society for ten thousand years, they'd probably also end up as quasi-religious warrior-monk orders.)

>>53411454
Headhunters are basically Chosen with Combi-bolters. You could just run the models as those

>>53411831
Specially in next edition now that the combi part can fire an unlimited amount of times.

>>53411704
Damn I knew I forgot something. If only those acolytes carried mini tactical nukes

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I've always sorta looked at the Tau and said 'meh, Battlesuits aren't really my thing'

But I was looking at the range just now, and those vehicles and Fire Warriors actually look kinda neat

I get that 8th is just around the corner so shits likely to change, but how good would a Mechtau list be? Something with Strike and Breacher squads loaded up in Devilfish, supported by Hammerheads, Piranhas and a Razorshark
Would it be functional? Or are the Tau too reliant on their suits?

>>53411804
The marine has no head, that's a nurgling.

>>53411851
I'd love to run power armoured Acolytes deepstriking from a Valk and then proceed to demo charge their way to victory.

You know what I'll get some of those apocalypse pie plates, give them 8" range and still use them in 8th because everyone loves demo charges.

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>>53410711
>>53411056
>Rules for all the rest of the Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range, including the myriad xenos races of the galaxy and the massed forces of the Astra Militarum and their accompanying Imperial Agents, will all be appearing in additional Index books that set to be released before the end of June.
>Every single Warhammer 40,000 miniature that Forge World make today will be covered, as well as a few classic ones.

>>53411899
MechTau is probably a lot better next edition.

The only reason you see nothing but Tau suits at the moment is because those are the OP Tau units.

>>53411928
They still avoid responding to "models with rules but are out of production"

So I'll have to wait and see.

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>>53411911
really?
i dont see it

>>53411771
anything I'm missing that I should look at getting? aside from the new starter box

>>53411691
Stealth suits minus stealth
Although Mobile Infantry are generally compared to anything between space marine and crisis suit.

>>53411974
He's blowing. That's corrosive breath he's casting.

>>53411751
Wrong weight on the text you mongoloid.
Although, I'm really not expecting much else.

>>53411962
Are we not talking about heretics and renegades anymore? They're still being sold by FW.

>>53410271
so are units going to have different base sizes now? Will I have to rebase my plague marines?

>>53412027
Mostly the Repressor.

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>>53409952
> "Hey let's check out the newest WH-Community post this morning"
> CHAOS LEVIATHAN
> 14 WOUNDS, 2+/4++
> 8" MOVEMENT
> STRENGTH+TOUGHNESS 8, STRENGTH 16 MELEE.
> SHOOTING MORTAL WOUNDS
> LIFESTEALING MELEE
> EXPLOSION THAT DEALS MORTAL WOUNDS

RIP AND FUCKING TEAR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6BbvCC0VI0

>>53411831
Headhunters had
> Banestrike Bolter Rounds – When rolling To Wound results of 6 are AP3
>
> Boltgun – R18″ S4 AP5 Rapid Fire, Banestrike

> Power Dagger – S user-1 AP3 Specialist Weapon, Rending

>>53411804
He's blowing super hard.
Is probanly one big lung in there.

>>53412047
My Khorne Lord of Skulls better be fucking retardedly melee rape. I'm tired of loosing him to lucky dice as he romps up the field.

>>53411899
It's ok. Almost everything in tau codex is at least ok. Those codex fliers are pretty terrible in objective terms.

>>53412047
It final feels like a Chaos Dreadnought

>>53411974
He's tucked up in the hood there

>>53411928
I want my Marauder! I want 10-20d6 S6 AP-1 attacks to rain from the sky!

>>53412120
Still being sold, so it will get rules at the end of June.

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Should I only take 1 squad of FW and replace those with pathfinders? I would add pathfinders for higher point games but I don't know if those points are better spent on more suits.

>>53412047
>>53412104
ALSO.

CHAOS LEVIATHANS CAN TAKE FUCKING MARKS OF CHAOS.
> KHORNATE LEVIATHAN WITH FUCKING RAGE FOR 6 ATTACKS, ALL OF WHICH HAVE LIFESTEAL

>>53412047
It's easy to tell that FW hasn't sold enough grav flux bombards for the leviathan yet.

>>53411899
Tau are cool as fuck besides all the gay weeb robot suits that are/were all the rage

>>53412047
>At the end of any turn in which a unit with this ability has slain any models in the Fight phase other than through Overwatch attacks
>Fight phase; Overwatch attacks
8th edition not even out and Forge World is already being sloppy with their rules writing. Are you fucking kidding me?

What does Mortal Wound mean? Is that the new Instant Death?

>>53412189
Wound no save

>>53412189
No saves of any kind allowed against that wound.

>>53412189
Mortal Wounds bypass all saves of any kind. So far there's only one thing confirmed in this entire game that gives you a save from mortal wounds, and that's apparently the new Nurgle ability.

>>53412094
I hope those things continue to suck balls so no one will use them because they are the most retarded looking models ever made and I wouldn't even be able to take a game seriously or enjoy it if one of those fucking things was on the table across from me.

>>53412204
The Avatar was also confirmed to be able to ignore mortal wounds.

>>53412204
And the Dark Eldar's Power From Pain ability

>>53411557
Remember that GW will write whatever fluff they have to in order to hype up a faction so they will sell.

>>53412198
>>53412204
They also Wound automatically with no roll required.

>>53412225
[citation needed]

There are things like "On a To Wound roll of 6, this does a Mortal Wound instead"

>>53412108
Anon stop spreading this meme, it's not a Nurgling, that's the actual head of the Marine.

>>53412240
Right, which is different than just "does Mortal Wounds".

Note that the weapon on the Leviathan which deals Mortal Wounds has no Strength value. It's because they don't roll to Wound.

>>53412240
Read the Psychic article. Smite subpart

As for on a 6 it does a Mortal Wound. It just means on a 6 it becomes unsaveable.

>>53412158
Lemme sum up the advice you'll get
>>>>riptide

>>53412158
W8 for 8

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So, I'm thinking about making some custom fluff for a human world that has a mostly complete STC (not time travel black hole guns, but very high tech).

What faction would be best to use to portray them on the tabletop?

So anybody thing Admech will get something new this edition around?

>>53412308
maybe use the rules for 30 Mechanicum or wait until Fires of Cyraxis come out so you can use them in 40k

>>53410213

Nice wishlisting you've got there.

>>53412314
Considering AdMech got two factions last edition. Sure.

>>53411157
Vedros was the last gasp of Old GW

>>53412308
Tau or admech. Maybe even necrons.

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>>53412314
I don't know about GW, but the next Imperial Armour is going to be Admech vs Tau.

>>53410271
They went overboard and I kind of feel like scale issues are more the fault of basic humans being too large.

If they'd just done Marines standing upright and added a millimeter or two, and redid the Guard to be like, LotT scale, I'd be happier.

But hey, all my Marines are still on 25mm

>>53412308
Maybe something with Scions ?

The question then become how you get acces to Rhinos, Land Raiders, and other high tech vehicles that have been around since before the Imperium of man. The 30k version of Imperial Guard that FW made rules for can do that, but they have a lot of other weird limitations (no sentinels, no chimearas ...)

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Finally my bugs have arrived. Any nid specific painting tips?

Also >>53409539 spotted waldo

>>53412308
Don't be That Autist

>>53411804
All followers of nurgle are blessed with baby face

>>53411983
please wait and finish your current models for the next couple weeks

please!

>>53411441
Because I can get an entire squad of 2 wound plasma dudes.

Ahh fuck! They're turning soace marines into tau aren't they?

>>53411899
Combined arms tau was how you ran them for most of the life of tau. Squads in devilfish, pathfinders in the flanks, hammerheads in the rear, you only took crisis and stealth suits if you had a real hard-on for them or you needed plasma/melta specifically.
Then the 6ed codex and the Riptide dropped, and the Riptide changed everything. Along with crisis suits getting serious buffs, farsight enclaves letting you take armies of them, the Riptide was a bigass mecha that was one of the most broken units in the history of the game. It melted terminator squads by looking at them, while being stupidly tough.
So everyone bought the shit out of riptides,as they're also a pretty nice model, but GW assumed that meant that literally the only thing people wanted from tau was giant ass mecha. So they directly went against established tau lore to make stormsurges and ghostkeels in citadel, and forgeworld only takes a break from horus heresy to make tau riptide variants.
The way you want to play tau used to be the standard, and was really powerful in 4ed, but it hasn't been the norm for a long time. Tau have changed. I mean, we have literally never gotten a new ally model since launch.

>>53412362
It's been super delayed and now they have to re-playtest all of the units for 8th.

How are 40k players not atleast alittle upset about GW changing scale on minis and bases? Do they just buy so much product that they don't mind rebuying portions of their army?

>>53410271
I love them, nearly all of them look incredible. Could do without the fluff reason and wish they'd just been new models but aside from that I'm very happy.

>>53412400
You call it Where's Waldo elsewhere? Somehow I missed that for my entire life and always wondered what people were on about. It was always Where's Wally for me.

>>53412400
What colour scheme are you going for?

>>53412437
I loved my 5th ed tau army, they felt like proper oper8ers

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>>53412212
I hope you remember your hatred for the Lord Of Skulls when one of these is raping your army

>>53412477
Leviathan is the only option if you have good taste :^)

>>53412463
>scale on minis
but my friend they are new bigger marines!
>bases
a lot less important now that blasts are gone

>>53412484

PIKANAUT

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>>53412308
Good guy Ezekyle already wiped them off the map

>>53412463
Because I play casual games with my buddies, with my chink korps
We're all lmaoing at space muhrines lives rn

>>53412175
I don't see anything wrong with that wording.

>>53412400
easiest way to speedpaint bugs is prime white/bone. Hit them with a another color or two, and then shade the fuck out of them

Any news on the price point of the new box set?

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>>53411974
did I fix it?

>>53412376
the militia can take scout sentinels

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>>53412504
>Not basing your Tyranids based on natures own gunbug

>>53412475
I call it finding wally in my mother tongue but I thought it was waldo in english

>>53412477
Still quite undecided, the only solid choice was something ice world like, but I am still a bit on the fence

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>>53412522
125 eurodollars

>>53412475
Fucking britlikes.

>>53412212
I never understood the intense autistic hatred over the design of the Lord of Skulls
It's just a big mech on tank treads, what's the big deal

>>53412504
I am 12 and are you what they call a troll?

>>53412518
Overwatch is done in the Charge phase you mong.

>>53412556
Is the box set coming with a big rulebook or a mini book?

>>53412564
IMO it's not that bad but it's too back-heavy

>>53412504
>Literally the worst canon scheme

>>53412576
big book

>>53412576
hardcover is all I know

>>53411899
Don't do it. I started tau because of the vehicles and was excited for them getting new models.

And that's when the stormsurge and ghostkeel happened.

If you play vehicle tau the vehicles they currently have are the only ones you will ever have.

>>53412308
>30k
>Imperialis Militia
>Survivors of the Dark Age provenance
>power armoured, bolter wielding humans as Troops
>Rhinos and Land Raiders for DT
>Malcadors as Heavy Support

>>53412576
Confirmed for big, hardcover rulebook.

>>53412570
MODS

>>53412599
For me it's best scheme because it's what I first saw tyranids as the first time as a kid and I fell in love with it
Also really enhances the alien/unnatural/engineered factor IMO

>>53412550
>gunbug
That's a melee strain anon. Bombardier beetles are gunbugs.

>>53412516
your death korps are next! IG is definitely on the block to get rescaled. Honestly though their troops aesthetically need it alittle bit I think.


Does anyone know if Tempestus Scions are scaled abit differently compared to regular guardsman models? I dont have any but as I look at pictures seems they are subtly changed

>>53411157
Does this trigger /tg/ autists because it reminds them they're playing a children's game?

>>53412652
Cadian GW guard maybe, but dkok look completely fine anyway

>>53412648
Anon probably mean the pistol shrimp, not the psycho mantis.

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>>53412652
forgeworld is already properly scaled

>>53412687
Daresay if GW does guard they won't be Cadian.
Armageddon mb?

>>53412702
>dkok are manlets
>now with primaris they'll be double manlets

My impression is 40k is getting a full rescale over the next years.
32mm has become the standard base size, also for slender models like sisters of silence.

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>>53412690
Psycho Mantis!?

>>53411177
I want to see Nazdreg. My favorite ork waaaagh leader.

>>53412574
In 7th yea, you fucking mouthbreather

>>53412721
I'm not sure, the issue I see is they have to straight up replace, they can't asspull a slightly better proportioned guardsman as a new type of guardsman to supplement the old manletmen
So a new regiment could work, but then you run the risk of pissing on all the cadian players, IE, the vast vast majority of guard players

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>>53412641
>For me it's best scheme because it's what I first saw tyranids as the first time as a kid and I fell in love with it
You ought to be calling mods on yourself, son.

Leviathan is Kirby-GW nids. Hell, Chambers himself wasn't even around anymore when that scheme was made (not that I think he necessarily had any input on the studio paint schemes).

THIS is what OG nids looked like the first time they got a consistent army-wide colour scheme.

>>53412373
Marines have been on 32mm bases for at least 2 years now.

>>53412769
No, it is in 8th you retard.

>>53412773
As a cadian player, I welcome the shit.
All of my infantry has already been bought, so it's no sweat off my back.

>>53412702
are the death guard from FW scaled properly?

>>53411462
You're right about TL but the template changes ARE great for Orks. Born because it make sure it better for us to use them, but because it makes boy a mobs actually usable at all. Iceberg played Orks since late 4th and my buddy who i play with like every other we know plays mech guard. I have literal you picked up 4 full mobs of boys beforehand they even have the chance to move before. It's only worse for us if you play on tables with 0 trrrain.

Guys I need a hand, I'm looking for a website that has really weird 40k conversions, usually strange ass inquisitor teams and stuff.

>>53412786
tbqh senpai I also saw my first nids with leviathan, liked the idea but never the paint job, same for behemoth. I had already seen the one in the picture in previous threads, it looks superior to the others albeit less flashy.

>>53412746
is there a reason to do that I wonder? Does it save costs in anyway, or is it a reason just to make people want to rebuy stuff?

Is warhammer big in Japan in the slightest? Cause I'd assume larger bases would be pretty unpopular there. Probably a weeb ass thing to even think but still, makes me think of MTG vs yugioh card size

>>53412786
Everytime I look at this pic I remember how much creepier oldnids were. Sure the sculpt quality wasn't as good as today but the actual designs were so much superior.

>>53412786
Oh I also love that one, a close favorite
I always wondered what's up with it

Also I know it's Kirby-era but for me that will always be how I imagine Nids

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Inceptor's weird helmet cave is clearly missing the blast shield from their orbital drops. I think I fixed it.

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>>53411462
>New twin linked does nothing to help orks
>we need-- --more shots per weapon
?????????

>>53412786
3rd edition best edition strikes again!

>>53412876
Carnifex design was ugly as shit

>>53412853

Don't think it is at all. Better question, does it have any growth potential in Japan. They obsess over figurines and such after all.

>>53412853
Probably dual advantage in both model/detail quality and premium feel (i.e. increased prices).
What's the last model released with a 20mm base?

What is being released for Tau this year?

>>53412939
Their intestines

>>53412905
Isn't that 2nd Ed?

>>53412950
1st and 2nd are more a miniature rpg than a wargame.

>>53412950
It's 2nd ed models but painted up for the 3rd ed BBB.

Tbh almost every model nids got in 3rd except the Warriors was a downgrade.

>>53412104
It still feels like forgeworld

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>>53412883
A bit late to the party spacefriend

>>53412876
I much prefer the 4 limbed Hormas,wish they would've ported that feature in the new design
The Carnifex is a sidegrade IMO, both have their charm
Same with the Lictor and the Zoan

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>>53412949
KEK

I CANT FUCKING WAIT

>>53412976
Yeah,3rd Ed is atrocious compared to the others
Carnis are goofy as shit

>>53412939
XV-220 Tidalwave battlesuit and XV-100 catastrophe suit. It's basically a primaris treatment for stormsurge and crisis suits.

>>53412997
Hello Spaceboy

Where do I find the best recast Ork stuff?

>>53412886
>I have no idea how probability works

>>53412818
I too would enjoy another group in the guard limelight