Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

First for hrud!

>>53407596
The inceptors look so fucking bad I think they single-handedly turned me off from getting the starter set. I don't actually play Marines or Chaos but I figured maybe I would start a small collection of one or the other given how much value you get, but now I don't even want it because the jump Marines look so fucking retarded.

You'll be able to preorder the new edition books from the website, right?

>>53407622

Then don't, Iove the space suits

>>53407596
>,always had abonner for 2bolt gun lads
> always wanted ranged jump infantry
>GW gives us astromaries
I am pretty happy,anyone else?

>>53407596
>>53407622
but I like them with closed visors, just like in OP.

>>53407644
They still look retarded with the jump packs coming out the back of the head. Also the helmets are one of the only good parts about them, covering that up with a visor is stupid.

>>53407622
My only real problem with them is that they don't look like Assault Marines, they look like they're just supposed to hover above you and shoot down. Where's my chainswords?

>>53407639
Ditto, I'll wait for the Start Collecting box though. Not a fan of the poses.

>>53407656
Because THEY ARE NOT ASSAULT MARINES. Why is everyone so focused on melee marines?

>>53407639
Usually I think the people shouting "shill! shill! how much gw paying you lol" are paranoid idiots, but man, if I've ever seen a shill post on /40kg/ it's this one.

>>53407656
Pretty sure they're not supposed to replace assault marines, they're just a new unit they wanted to promote in the starters box.

>>53407664
Kek, thanks buddy, guess I can tick off
>be accused of being a shill,not on pol
Off my bucket list.
Pro tip, you are now one of those paranoid idiots

>>53407657
The poses are bad for sure, but its the jump packs are absolutely unforgivable.

I actually like the landing skids on the feet and the gunshields I'm undecided on, the concept is cool but I think they just look too plain, could be fixed with a little converting.

But the jump pack ruins it completely. Makes me want to vomit.

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>>53407596
Daily reminder that The Lion is just a whim away

>>53407680
Maybe stop typing like a retarded third-worlder being paid .50 cents a post, then.

>>53407663
Because honorable combat is in melee.

If I wanted to play pansy and dishonourable I'd play Tau

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>>53407688
Eh, I actually like the jump packs.

>>53407697
I hate this new style of artwork so fucking much.

>>53407703
I'll admit they look pretty cool from the back, although they don't look a thing like Imperium tech, but the way they attach behind the head just looks awful.

>chaos lords of nurgle are now LORDS OF CONTAGION
the sigmaring has begun

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>>53407656
>they look like they're just supposed to hover above you and shoot down
the way they actually fly looks pretty silly.

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>>53407688
The issue is that the pose looks like some mother cat grabbed its kitten.

Since imperium is one massive thing now. The flying dual wielding unit overlaps with an already existing imperial unit that does that.
It is just poor game design to have overlapping things that do the same concept

>>53407714
Why ?

>>53407596
Will Custodes models from FW have rules for eight edition? Do they have rules for Seventh or only for HH?
Any new model expected? I'm not sure if it's the best time to start a collection

>>53407714
email the guy about it

>>53407721
are they actually intended to be assault troops though or close fire support?

>>53407717
Lord of Contagion sounds fine, I like it.

Malignant Plaguecaster™ and Noxious Blightbringer™ are fucking RETARDED though. LITERALLY [Adjective Nounverber™] word salad horseshit, really GW?

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>>53407742
Skirimish like the Seraphims. The bloody things are basically the same model.

>>53407721
Top fucking kek.

>>53407752
reminder that order of our martyred lady is the best

*derails thread*

>>53407752
Wow. Looks like they couldn't get flying shooting models to look good back then either.

>>53407739
Not for a while most likely.

>>53407747
Oh and don't get me started on the Hellblasters for the Marines.

Like, we get all this cool pseudo-latin for Primaris Marines, Intercessors, Inceptors, I'm down with this naming scheme... and then just a fucking Nounverber. Disgusting.

>>53407780
I think the new Plasma Rifle is cool.

>>53407798
The gun looks cool, the name of the unit that wields it is retarded and breaks the flavourful naming scheme they had going.

They should put Forge World in charge of naming all the new units. Those guys are fucking awesome at coming up with pseudo-latin names dripping with flavour and immersion.

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You're in the club and this guy shoots a focused stream of psychic piss & shit at your girlfriends ass - what do?

>>53407813
Hang myself for being the kind of fucking loser who goes to clubs.

My girlfriends and I will host a party at our own home and invite only the cool people we already know, thanks.

>>53407752
Meh I can live with the SoBs and marines having analogous units, I mean we have Retributors and Dominions after all

Anyone else triggered by the fact that Hellblaster squads are named just like the kraken?

5 minutes till we see a new 8th edition Forge World datasheet if GW can get their fucking articles up at the right time today, what do you guys think we're going to see? It won't be anything HH related unless it's something you can also use in 40k.

Just a reminder that All the old fluff on Space marines is now entirely invalidated by Guiliman.

And that Guiliman forced several chapters into open rebellion because he stole their geeneseeds without consent. Second time Girlyman threatened civil war over the imperium. Good job fucknuts

>>53407806
Yeah. I agree with this. Forgeworld has done an excellent job at coming up with weapon and unit names.

Volkite weaponry for sure. While things like photon thruster and irrad-cleanser are indeed noun-verb, theyre novel and not overly childish sounding because they're kind of descriptive of the weapons function.

>>53407855
If they actually explain that that's where they took the name from, in the fluff, then I'll be less annoyed.

"We thought these plasma-spitting Tyranid monsters were so fearsome we named our new powered-up plasma guns after them." That's kinda neat.

I don't think that's the case though.

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>>53407829
You're at home having a party with your girlfriends and cool people and this guy slaps your front door, what do?

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So, a friend is really into making a "Star wars Imperium" chapter, you can imagine, white marines as stormtroopers and the elites as black SM veterans etc

He wants Darth Vader to be his chapter master, and he doesn't know what to do. The man's armour is basically a life-support machine, so I told him a contemptor dreadnought would be pretty cool. But he says a terminator armour or even a servoarmour could work.

What do you think?

I'm kin of surprised to be asking this

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>>53407842
Well Ret and Dev work kind of differently in the sense that Rets are melta Flamer and bolter. While Devs are ML, plasma, las, bolter and grav.

There is an overlap but not as hard as this this new thing.

On a second note do GW knows you can pose things in CAD? Because this model have the same pose as the AoS balloon Squats

>>53407877
Perty's a bro, he can come chill with us.

>>53407876
I doubt GW is smart enough to think of that

>>53407883
I guarantee you it's already been done before, if "(you)r friend" looks around the internet there's probably stuff out there to use for inspiration and reference.

>>53407883
fucking boring

>>53407829
This guy gets it. As a homeowner, hosting chill parties with 20ish people max is a ton of fun. Besides, I've made some business deals indirectly through the networking and conversations at said parties.

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>>53407868
Genseed storing from every chapter has been in the fluff for ages.
It was used as back up and to make new chapters

>>53407883
Make them IG and use this Dream Forge. Sadly the ST heads are out of production

>>53407883
Librarian Dreadnought?

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>>53407877
" Dorn is cooler than you "
Can someone edit Dorn's face on this pic ?

>>53407887
>too intelligent for warhammer fantasy

>>53407829
Congratulations, you've beaten some stiff competition to win 4chan's coveted 'most autistic post of the day' award, good luck in the weekly draw.

From what I've seen with 8th, I'm probably going to give it a hard pass. I know 7th has its issues as well, but 8th has some really stupid shit as a result of its AOS 40K mixup:

Vehicles can charge.
Vehicles cannot tank shock
Vehicles have no penalties for exposing side armor (run Battlewagons "sideways" as a wall).
As written, flyers can move backwards.

The real question is: What is the most feasible choice?
Stick with 7th, agree on house rules against certain egregious combos (Barkstar, etc?)
Homebrew, hope a 40k "the 8th age" project kicks off?
-Retrofit 7e vehicle rules, templates, etc for 8th?
-Something else?

>>53407813
This model is absolutely dire, the chaos lord looks fantastic then the same sculptor does this nonsense.

>>53407924
shitpost on /tg/

>>53407912
>>53407898
Yeah I know like that hasn't been done too many times already

also
>"(you)r friend"
lol

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/24/new-warhammer-40000-a-forge-world-datasheet-may24gw-homepage-post-4/

>tfw pre-edition limbo
I'm picking up all this shit on eBay but no idea what to do with it.

I suppose I should enjoy the last of 7th best I can.

>>53407924
Have you tried stop being a colossal faggot? I've heard it helps.

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Is this angry spic screaming because he lost his sombrero and maracas? I cant be the only one seeing this right?

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>>53407913
Here :^)

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>tau 4th expansion gets lost in warp so that GW can have excuses for Tau to end up in random places

>mfw

>>53407883
Use a Librarian and have done with it

>>53407944
Hey look, Chaos gets some shit. Nice.

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>>53407959

>>53407950
tfw really like cataphractii termies but dont play any faction that uses them
ended up buying some to proxy as an aquilon terminator in HoR KT

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DON'T SQUAT THE SQUAT MARINES

I WILL KILL MYSELF GW

>>53407944
pfft, wasting today's reveal on FW nonsense.

>>53407954
You are, but now I want one to call him Tomás, the space stache.

>>53407967
even that guy will be phased out once actual aquilon termies come out

Been looking to get into this since 8th is dropping soon but I don't know of there is a comunity up where I am. Any of you know if there are any regular games in New Hampshire?

>>53407935
I just feel like the 'new games workshop' tries to make every unit in a box unique and you end up with dudes that are insanely different and try to stick out of the crowd, leading to some which are really cool and some which are pretty 'meh'.

Also no surprise since they're pushing small scale skirmish games hard these days.

>>53407954
the screaming mustache guy is what I've seen since I first saw the images

>>53407924
You could always run battlewagons as crab cars, that hasn't changed.

Also
>Tanks can charge
>No tank shock
Nigger what

>>53407944
>caring about Dreadnoughts
>2017

I want to know about FW armies and shit that has rules but is out of production.

>>53408001
Just take up target shooting and doing heroin.

The rest of your state seems to be okay with it.

>>53407944

>Implying people allow others to cheat by using forge world

>>53408031
4th edition call. It wants you back

>>53408015
vehicles fight in combat, like other models do

All Primaris are there for is to make Space Marine players re buy their armies because Sigmarines will replace regular marines in about 5 years

>>53408045
you say that like it's a bad thing.

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So, was painting some scions up last night, and a thought occurred to me.

The hot shot lasgun. What's the statline?

If present logic holds, it'll keep it's range but be s3 ap-2, which is a nerf against everything with a 3+ save, but a buff vs stuff T7 and up, because it can actually do damage now.

Thoughts? Do you think scions/stormtroopers will keep their separate orders list or be folded into the guard completely?

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>>53407883
Just google around a bit.
There was a guy a while back who used the rubbery SW collectible stromtrooper heads on his rank and file marines. Looked surprisingly good.

>>53408065
Oh fuck the DA is back!

FW has not been overpower since 5th no fuck off you poor bastard

>>53408015
I remember 5th had some stipulation about "move forward, backwards, or turn on the spot", which was removed in later editions.

The big kicker is the removal of armor facings for vehicles. AV 14 vs 12 was very notable with the Wagon being such a stretch limo. Now, the only real disadvantage to crab-walking may be purely weapon/charge ranges.

>>53407944
Holy shiiit that thing is a total monster. S16 on melee shiiieeet. My Russes dont feel so safe anymore.

>>53408001
There's a great place in Dover called Elite Games (Gaming?) I've been to a few times. It's small but the community is very chill and friendly, the owner is cool, you can drink in the store while you play if you're over 21 and he'll even keep your brews in the fridge behind the counter upstairs for you.

Wasn't it rumored that melee will have range?Isn't that how it works in AoSmegmar?That seems like a cool feature unless i'm missing something

>>53407944
>This guy is a Leviathan Dreadnought. And more than that, a Chaos one! The traitor’s look like they have opened up their 10,000-year-old vault of Legion Dreadnoughts for the new Warhammer 40,000.

Is chaos finally getting some of their good shit back

>>53408061
i don't though? just saying how it works

>>53407944
>Grav-flux bombard
>If the target model has any of the MONSTER, VEHICLE or TITANIC keywords then the amount of damage suffered becomes 5 per hit. For every five models in the target unit, add D3 to the number of attacks made by this weapon

Well, I suppose that's the way Grav will work, at least as a model. I'd expect the normal grav weapons to not be as powerful

>>53408115
No.

>>53408042
>>53408080
Forge world is so overpowered, it's like cheating.

We don't allow it in our group and neither should you. Buy locally and only play with 1st party models and rules.

>>53408068
My guess is that they'll be folded in, but in the sense of being in the same book and having a bunch of matching keywords. Pretty certain you can go scions (or stormtroopers for old times sakes) only.

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>>53407883

>>53408121
Bear in mind Grav in 30k is very different to Grav in 40k. In 30k it's more Anti-Vehicle and in 40k it's more anti-TEQ

>>53408128
>Buy locally and only play with 1st party models and rules.
FW is a department of GW. It's as 1st party as you can get you mongoloid.

>>53408115
Melee is now a 1" range instead of base-to-base contact.

>>53408128
>Forge world is so overpowered, it's like cheating.

Lies

>>53408128
>FW
>Over power

I didn't get the memo that D-99 and Krieg where overpower stuff

>>53407924
Speaking as someone who was going to lead an "8th Age" type project myself if this edition turned out to be a trainwreck... I don't think it's going to happen. Most people are actually pretty happy about these rules, you're just being an autist. I don't think many people are going to stick with 7th either. Your best bet would be to convince your group to houserule in some of the old vehicle rules if it really bothers you that much, but good luck.

>>53408140
>that one kid who glued the shoulder pads sideways

>>53408128
Glad to here my Tau Sensor Tower is overpowered instead of nigh-useless!

>>53408147
No, it's seperate from gamesworkshop.
It's like them grisnak sisters of battle but owned by similar people.
One step above recast.

>>53408165
You really think those are over power and cheating?

>>53408178
Ok you are mentally retarded.

FW is part of GW.
You are going to say that Citadel miniatura are not GW too?

>>53408178
Forge World's only retail store in the world is in Games Workshop's headquarters. You are an absolute imbecile.

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>>53408121
It's 30k's Graviton not 40k's grav

>>53407747
They sound like boss names from Dark Souls honestly.

>>53408165
>>53408188
He might be a chink but he's right. Neck yourself you stupid cunt.

>>53408188
>4chan
>the weeboo board
>asian moot

Have your (you)

In life, bait. In death, (you). In life, replies. In death, eternal shitposting

>>53408215
shitpost within, shitpost without

Forgeworld is GW on an exaggerated scale, including discrepancies in power between their rules. It's the same guys that give us such lovable derpness as the Arvus Lighter and Mutant Ogryns, alongside Ordnance Tyrant gunlines and pretty much anything from their Eldar range.

...come to think of it, I can't think of any Eldar tournament lists of note that didn't use Forgeworld in 7th edition, be it the Lynx, Warp Hunter, Pulse Laser Hornets, or the Skatach Wraithknight with dual Deathshroud cannons.

I almost wonder how Eldar would have done in a no-Forgeworld tournament now. I imagine the Gladius would out-attrition it in the long run.

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>>53408178
Fight the good fight brother, scum like these even use Citadel paints instead of the official true GW paints

>>53408128
Good lord, I didn't realise someone this retarded could still use a computer

>>53408114
Thanks I'll check it out.

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>>53407596

I want to buy tank accessories for my IG vehicles but I'm kinda confused by the scale system they use for their kits. What scale would fit with 40k stuff? 1:32? 1:72?

>>53408194
Fuck off
>>53408198
Have you ever seen a gamesworkshop sell forgeworld? Just because they buy space it doesn't mean they're the same.

Gamesworkshop warhammer is played with gamesworkshop products and many disallow forgeworld.

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>>53408239

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Any thoughts on what artillery will look like in 8th edition? Will it retain the shooting toughness of 7th?

I hope so. I have 3 Rapier batteries I haven't painted yet.

>>53407596
THEY'RE BIGGER
FASTER
AND STRONGER TOO!

>>53408260
Oh god he actually is that stupid.

>>53408260
Mate, are you braindead?

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>>53408167
kek

Also I'm amazed there's still tards who think FW is overpowered (in general, there's always going to be one or two units that slip under or over the curve)

53408260
Is one of our resident autistic retards.

Report and hide.

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>>53408260
Fella this better not be bait

>>53407752
Seraphim can shoot in close combat now though. These new assault bolters don't look like pistols.
Interceptors might suck in close combat, but they might also have the new Fly keyword. Slightly different roles I guess. Definitely different excecutions.

>>53408288
it's just one troll

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>>53408260
Shitposting about forge-world on the day Gdubs releases their 8th edition article on forge-world

that's your (you) and that's all you get from me

>>53408085

yeah im actually really worried we're gonna be playing against a wall of chimeras and rhino reversing towards us for maximum WAAC-faggotry.

>>53408178
Are we being trolled here?

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>>53408260
This kills the shitposter

>>53408260
I'm up to a 50/50 on whether or not he's trolling. He can't actually believe this, can he?

Go to the official FW page and scroll to the very bottom, where the copyright information is:

"Copyright Games Workshop Limited 2000 – 2017. GW, Games Workshop, Citadel, Forge World, Warhammer, the twin-tailed comet logo, Warhammer Forge, Warhammer 40,000, the ‘Aquila’ Double-headed eagle logo, Space Marine, 40K, 40,000, Imperial Armour, Warhammer Age of Sigmar, Stormcast Eternals, The Horus Heresy, The Horus Heresy Eye and all associated logos, illustrations, images, names, creatures, races, vehicles, locations, weapons, characters, and the distinctive likenesses thereof, are either ® or TM, and/or © Games Workshop Limited"

FW is part of GW. They don't sell FW models at normal GW locations because they generally don't sell as quickly and their manufacturing isn't set up to stock a ton of locations with the more expensive models. Their business works better for ordering online.

>>53408334
This reddit spacing shit has to be one of the more retarded shitposts
Are you not allowed to format your posts nicely now?

You dont even need bait in /40kg/ any rusty old hook will do.

Stop being so goddamn colossally retarded.

>>53407689

Under-rated post.

>>53408334
>I was unaware of the convention of paragraphs before the leddit boogeyman

You realize people on 4chan have typed like that since the fucking beginning right?

>>53408309
My other concerns are:
-A hard cap on the number of units that can reserve. As written, it wouldn't nerf lists like Alex Harrison's Warpspider spam of Doom (since the list was nearly a 1:1 ratio of Spiders, alongside Jetbikes, solo D-cannons, etc) but would make lists like Lictorshame, Drop Pods, Elysians, etc unplayable.
-The fact DS is "at least 9 inches away from enemy models" instead of scatter. Remember Warp Quake from 5th? You can now space out 4 Rhinos enough to basically render an entire table quarter immune to DS.

I feel these two changes alone, alongside withdrawal from combat ("so what if I can't shoot, everything else behind me can"), flamers no longer ignoring cover, etc, will make this edition play out like static gunlinehammer...aka a reason I skipped out on 6th altogether.

>>53408358
i should go fishing, thanks for reminding me anon

>>53408254

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TAMIYA-1-35-Scale-Plastic-Model-Kit-Allied-Vehicles-Accessory-Set-35229-/322521715845?hash=item4b17cad485:g:XZAAAOSwRJ9XhQTQ


1:35 is the best you'd be looking at. 1:48 is too small, at least for vehicles anyway.

>>53408352
noanonwemusttypelikethiswasavagueversionofromebeforespacingwordsbecameathingelsethedegenenerateswillwin!

>>53408298
>>53408308
Only shitposters are you.

>>53408320
Was never sold here in my GW and I live near Québec, how do I know this isn't a shoop?

>Death World
>pretty much all swamp; hot, dark, and foggy due to thick atmosphere and continual rain
>Imperium once tried to establish a colony for use as a training world; got stuck in with Orks while aboriginal abhumans watched from hiding
>Orks technically won, but after the main force leaves, infestation gradually dies off; Guard reinforcements are stuck in the Warp
>in the intervening ~2000 years, the abhumans pick over the old battlefields and explore the ruins of the Guard installations
>leftover Imperial propaganda becomes cornerstone for developing faith and culture; they begin venerating the Cloud People and their god Em'Prah, their first holy book a poorly-translated copy of the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer
>effectively begin LARPing as Guardsmen in conjunction with their nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle, supporting their bows and spears with short range/high power lasguns and the odd flamer; old regimental command becomes a pilgrimage site
>accidentally activated distress beacon attracts attention of Freebootas who set up on the planet's moon
>when IG reinforcements arrive, they discover natives fighting a geurilla war against the Xenos using old gear, and who pledge their undying loyalty to the Imperium
>Orks, demoralized due to constant harrying/inability to find a good fight/lack of loot, are unable to resist sledgehammer blow of the reinforcing Regiment, and fall back to their mountain fortress/landing zone
>Conflict becomes a stalemate, neither side having the materiel or inclination to uproot the other
>Old IG colony/installation is reclaimed for its original purpose, and the planet becomes a training ground for reconnaisance, amphibious, and special forces
>for both sides in an eternal shadow war, as Kaptain Gitzob rakes in teef hiring out his elite Kommandos to passing warbosses, slowly amassing a stockpile of specialists, favors, and flash gubbinz with which to eventually conquer the entire sector
(1/2)

>>53408334
Since when did reddit hold a monopoly on the concept of making your text readable? Isn't that just.. a text thing? Not even an internet thing, just something generally seen on any text where you're trying to distinguish two lines.

>>53407703
Jesus Christ those mold lines and gaps.

Sorry if this has already been answered in past threads, but do we know what's up with Adepta Sororitas in 8th? Looking at the images of the Index books, they aren't listed on either Imperium book. GW also specifically set that every model on their site would get rules for 8th so I'm wondering if they've been rolled into Imperial Agents or Talons of the Emperor rather than being their own army anymore.

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>>53408410
>how do i know this isn't a shoop

>>53408410
Ah a leaf. That explain the retardation

>>53408419
>Native abhumans are mostly human in appearance, barring large and webbed hands and feet, slight digitigradiation of the legs, and long, sticky, prehensile tongues
>keen night vision; superb at swimming, climbing (being able to cling to walls), jumping, and breath-holding; immune to most poisons and secrete a weak paralytic poison themselves
>superb reflexes come at the cost of high metabolism; they tend to have short attention spans and voracious appetites
>small stature makes them unsuited for CQC and operating heavy weapons
>reproduce parthenogenetically; males have never been observed
>consequently, all individuals are effectively clones of their mothers; population is uniformly pale, with black eyes and hair, averaging just under 5 feet tall
>due to soggy native environment, they need to keep themselves moisturized and are extremely uncomfortabe with clothes; though they will wear fatigues when ordered, they prefer to wear either wetsuits if anything at all (except maybe camo paint--they don't grasp the concept of immodesty)
>worship not only the Imperium, but all of its servants; orders from ranking officers and the word of anyone from the Ecclesiarchy/Commisarriat/Inquisition/Space Marines are the words of the Em'Prah Himself
>gullible due to trusting Imperials implicitly and naivety to non-combat affairs, which makes them easy to command, but easy to take advantage of by unscrupulous Guardsmen
>doubly unfortunately, they feel kinship towards Ratlings, due to their similar size, shared status as abhumans, not minding the Ratlings' smell, and love of their cooking, leading to their brutal exploitation by those same Ratlings
(2/2)
>tfw you always try posting during shitposting hours
Frog grills decent?

>>53408410
See>>53408335

>>53407944
Am I blind or is the drills just claws+1
(Drills = -4 and Dam. 4 vs Claws of -3 and Dam. 3)

I know in 7e Claws were monsterkillers and drills were vehiclebreakers. But right now... it's no contest. Just take drills (depending on how many points it costs)

>>53408426
No new models again, for at least this year.
They are getting a faction focus.
They are within Imperial Agents like at the end of 7th

>>53408437
Part 1 was really good. Then you went and ruined it with magical realm. Just go jack off to Boku no Hero Academia.

>>53408260
>Have you ever seen a gamesworkshop sell forgeworld?
Err, yes? Imperial Armour books were sold in stores for 10+ years.

Also it's the same company you stupid fucker.

>>53408320
Nice photoshop, I can tell by the pixels

>>53408451
The drills are clearly just an upgrade that you throw on if you have the spare points.

>>53408453
Ah ok thanks, I've been out of the loop since around the start of 7th so I didn't know they'd shifted them.

>>53408288
Look like Luna wolves to me *shrugs*

>>53408410
>He's Canadian
>He's a WORST CANADA Canadian

Holy fuck my dude.

>>53408466
True, I just find that stupid. When before they each had a purpose that wasn't "shittier / better version of the other"

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>>53408399

Thx mate.

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>>53408410
It wasn't even the only one.

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>>53408278
Seeing as the new battle cannon is shit, things aren't looking great for you.

Boy am I glad I play footsloging guard.

>>53408419
Louisiana?

>>53408479
I expect the difference between a powerfist and chainfist to be the same. One is strictly better but costs more points, so it just depends on whether you think you need the added melee punch or if its better spent elsewhere.

>>53407656
If the guns are pistols, they're just as viable as chainswords in CC. You can shoot in combat with pistols now.

And so, without any further ado, I hereby open this Convene, documented XF2[REDACTED]6-23.11-Sigma, on the planet [REDACTED], stardate [REDACTED].M41, in the name of His Highness the Emperor, blessed be his name, of the Empire of Mankind's righteous Inquisitors.

As you are all aware, the topic of this Convene is simple. Roboute Guilliman - just how heretical is he? Can a son of the Emperor *be* heretical? Discuss.

Of course, as this is a closed-doors meeting of the Emperor's holy Inquisition, you may all speak completely freely, so long as you don't say anything heretical.

>>53408437
Sure, I can fap to this

>>53408479
With the changes to how all these systems work, most upgrades will probably become just that, upgrades, not sidegrades.

I want the ability to give my Veterans bolters, flashlights are for the 8 minuters, gib splody guns.

>>53408529
>Can a son of the Emperor *be* heretical?
Horus.

>>53408529
>stardate
Wrong. You are bad at 40k fluff.

>>53407622
>jump infantry look retarded
>all the characters look like they're falling over
>the main character looks like his spine is bent backwards in an impossible way
>all the nurgle stuff is maximum overdesign

There are aspects that I like, especially of the armor and the plasma. But I can't say I like any single whole element or piece.

>>53408073
Looks actually cool yeah

>>53408529
Perturabo is a poofter

>>53408549
>>53408556
That knowledge is heretical.

>>53408520
True. But at the same time. It's history.
Chainswords have always been "basic" melee weapons while Power Fists are a "specialist" one

They could have spiced things up at least. Giving Claws -3 Dam.4 and Drills -4 Dam.3

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>>53408460
>tfw don't know when to stop/when I hit 'too much information'
I can excise the second part and just call them frogpeople.
i'll take you up on that offer though

>>53408489
Louisiana by way of Australia.
Or like Catachan but wetter.

>>53407622
Honestly the only thing I don't like about the models is the booties. But I can live with them.

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>>53408278
>>53408486
I think he means specifically the artillery unit type as he mentions Rapier batteries specifically.

I'm not realy sure what they'll do. It would make scene wit the new streamlining that the gun and crew will have the same toughness and save witch is basically what it was.

I'm in a similar boat with an unasembled earthshaker battery

>>53407861
Maybe a warlord titan, just because it's the single most ridiculous thing they do. Or a leviathan dreadnought... those are in 40k, right?

>>53408575
It's not particularly unknown m8, Horus is basically the Lucifer of the Imperial Creed.

>>53408486
Footsloging guard have always been the best.

A competent infantry guard player makes my blood run cold. I have a hard time beating them.

>>53408529
I'm pretty sure that the upper echelons of the Inquisition are aware of the Horus Heresy, they know that Primarchs have gone bad before and could do so again.

And yeah, fuck that guy, coming in here with his superpowers he was born with, and the supersuit that a Mechanicum dude spent 10k years working on and telling us that we did a shit job and that he could have done it way better.

Well who was the one who fucking jobbed to poison eh? I haven't been killed ONCE, I say we shouldn't be led by a guy who has already died before.

>>53408068
They'll probably be able to be fielded as troops in a "stormtrooper detachment" or something and might get their own orders. Though I expect some of their old orders will be mingled with the gaurd's.

I speculate that scions will get a longer move than regular infantry, since Move Through Cover is gone to represent their agility, unless they get rerolls to run moves or something. I really hope they get a buff to coming in from reserves or else they won't be in rapid fire range for hotshot lasguns

Taurox primes are looking dope though, I wonder if the taurox battle cannons will be any good

>>53407656
Because they're not Assault Marines
They're Fast Marines with ranged weapons.

They fly around the flank, shoot, and harass.

They're cavalry archers. And if you charge them on their Turn they Fly away and act as normal because they're a FLYING unit

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>>53407596

Since 40k is going all out modern scifi designs, Imperial Guard exo-suit troopers when?

>>53407883
Just please don't let him make lightsabers.
Red energy effects on a power sword.

>>53408626
Faction specific detachments don't exist in 8e.

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>>53408575
YOU ARE HERETICAL!

>>53408644
Lightsabers exist in 40k
>Power Swords

>>53408619
>I haven't been killed ONCE, I say we shouldn't be led by a guy who has already died before.

This is heresy against the Emperor. I declare you excommunicate traitorus.

>>53408645
Yes there are. Their effects are called """strategems"""" now and every faction gets them.

>>53408645
They will with codex releases. This is shit they talked about in the first Q&A

>>53408644
That was like the first thing i told him lol

Also, I think the whole idea is unoriginal and don't really feel it, but at least as a way to pass the time is ok I guess.

>>53408486
>the new battle cannon is shit
I've not seen it yet, how shit we talking here?

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>yfw realizing it's very possible that Cawl was alive during the Unifaction Wars of Terra

Pretty crazy senpai

>>53408655
Power swords are blades with an energy field running through them, unpowered it's still a sword capable of stabby stabs. They are nothing like lightsabers.

Closest thing you might get to it are some kind of Jokaero creation that fits in a ring or something, but they are space autists, so of course they mesh well with Star Wars.

>>53408683
Is he modelling it or is this for roleplay?

Just play a Star Wars roleplay, the FFG ones are good.

>>53407883
In 30k there's a BA specific sword called the Photonic Blade It's an AP2 Fleshbane Soulblaze sword that also causes Fear & Blind for 50(?) points. Use that a lightsaber

>>53408630
>Because they're not Assault Marines
>They're Fast Marines with ranged weapons
>They're cavalry archers
What are bikes. Seriously SM didn't need a new fast and shooty unit. It's an excuse to make big marines with jet packs. The more I see and think about Prime Marines the less I like them.

>>53408684
No blast so instead Heavy D6.

>I only know one truth
>It's time for the Space Marines to end

What did Guilliman mean by this?

>>53408659
That's not what a stratagem is. This wa covered in the FAQ, alongside the community article for it. If All units in a detachment share a faction keyword, they get access to the stratagem corresponding to that key word. That's not the same as having distinct FOCs which only some factions have access to, and strategems work regardless of which detachment you use. IE you could have an all Ultramarine Patrol-detachment and get all the same strategems as an all Ultramarine Brigade.

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>>53408684
I mean, it's not horrible, but it's certainly a step down. Interesting change, though.

>>53408683
Tell him about the necron world engine and how the Astral Knights are basically jedi

>>53408659
But that isn't a separate detachment, it's a normal detachment like a Battalion detachment, where you only take Scions, that would unlock the Imperial, IG and Scion stratagems, it doesn't effect the composition of an army like a detachment would. Don't confuse the terms.

>>53408713
With the d3 damage, it's definitely meant to fight heavy infantry or larger things. A successful wound on a Terminator will kill it.

>>53408713
yeah it's much less reliable and can't kill squads of marines with a hit

>>53408699
>>53408684
>>53408713
Ya as long as they are cheep enough it's still good but they don't even have the "more shots vs big units" rule that we've seen come up a few times. See the new FW preview for an example.

>>53408630
So Seraphims? Or marine bikes.

Without the rules it just look like unit overlapping

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Templar_Calix

these are the 40k jedis

if someone has the page from the book i would appreciate it. it's hilariously close to jedi

>>53408729
It looks like it will be the bane of the primaris marines. It's slightly stronger at killing heavy infantry, but considerably weaker at dealing with infantry hoards.

>>53408691
I think is just for modeling

If he pretends I make an imperial guard army to be the rebels he can already forget the idea lol

>>53408529
Well, he basically stated we did a shit job and that we shall be disbanded, which is maximal heresy.
On the other hand, his Indomitus Crusade is aimed at the Primordial Ennemy, not at us, so at least he seems to have some sense of priorites.
I say as long as he fights the right ennemy, we don't need to say anything. But we should prepare some sort of contingency, for when the Cicatrix Maledictum is healed.
That's what I imagine the Inquisition stance to be, with some exceptions - Greyfax being all 'GO GUILL!' while some of the most hardcore puritans would refuse to help him

that feel when earthshaker cannon will be shitty as well

>m-muh pieplates

>>53407944
Well fuck. Thats crazy. Do we know roundabout how much 16 power is in points?

>>53408689
Well there is that one BA relic

>>53408437

Pretty solid lore, anon, until it veers into magical realm territory. I'm mildly impressed that you're so taken with the BnHA frog-girl as to write lore for an entire planet of frog waifus.

>>53408529
Heretical? Subjective. Imperial in goals? Definitely. Useful? Certainly. But he destroys tradition. He makes changes he has no way of proving will be worth the cost, nor if they are safe measures to take. He allies with Xenos. He cares little of the way of life in the Imperium, and puts his mind to the stars without.

Darkness spreads among us, and he cannot help. He is dangerous in ways we, nay even he himself could possibly imagine.

We must act. He cannot be left to his own devices, unsupervised. Fellow Inquisitors, representatives of the various Ordos, Conclaves and Ideologies: This is our time to fulfill our duty to the Emperor! I declare this the day Ordo Primaris is formed, to look over and judge Guilliman and his creations when the need arises!

>>53408729
That chances of killing them is pretty dire though. D6 shots, so expect half to miss (Unless we get some rule for increased accuracy against large units or against infantry types or something) and then it's a 2 to wound, in the end if they are out of cover you are getting 1.6 wounds through armour with a 66.6% chance of actually killing a terminator. Probably about the same as it used to be against min sized termie units but it was always more of a trash killer that an elite killer, that was the Vanquisher's job.

>>53408787
You can ballpark it based on released tac marine points, I think.

>>53408787
2x rubric marines

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>tfw Tau will be shit in 8th

>>53408659
>I haven't been killed ONCE, I say we shouldn't be led by a guy who has already died before.
>This is heresy against the Emperor
1- isn't all heresy against the Emperor?
2- are you saying the Emperor is dead? I'm not sure who's the heretic here. He guides our ship with His Holy Light, and He Protects us across the whole Imperium.

>>53408698
>What are bikes.
>Wanting Primebikers.

Why?

>>53408819
Well they are bundle with the Nids and Orks sooo

>>53408729

It'll be best against large single models now, amusingly enough. Multi-hit, multi-wound will mess them up good.

>>53408754
>Seraphims
Basically.

>>53408689
Actually there is a forgeworld that makes plasma blades in the Koronus expanse.

>>53408819
I'm looking forward to having a properly balanced army so I can play a well-balanced match regardless of what army my opponent uses!

>>53408254
In theory, GW scale (28mm heroic) is about 1:48, but the proportions vary massively from that. Everything is much more chunky than true scale and extremities and weapons are way bigger. Your best bet is to use 1:35 stuff and shorten handles and suchlike so they don't look weird.

>>53408807
I dont remember seeing the tac marines power value.

>>53408808
So around 250-300 points. Well maybe not so bad then because knights exist.

>>53408773
>but considerably weaker at dealing with infantry hoards.

That's what the heavy bolter sponson, hull heavy bolter and heavy stubber are for.

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>>53408655
Some of the original concepts of power swords were very close to light sabers, and I believe Eisenhorn had one.

>>53408740
Well that might be attached to the Russ itself rather than the gun.

>>53408785
don't you dare
my love of basilisks is what got me into the tabletop in the first place
ST9 will be huge at the very least
we'll wound most of the toughest vehicles in this game on a 3
>tfw silently hoping for a special rule that allows reroll to hits when within 12 inch of a vox caster
SOMEONE CALL FOR AN EARTHSHAKER?
MAIN GUN REDY? FOIRE!

>>53408904
It is like people forget 40k is a copy paste from shit of the 80's fantasy and sci fi

>>53408821
>I'm not sure who's the heretic here.

And with that, I believe we can officially conclude this meeting of the Inquisition.

>>53408884
That'll only be worth taking if we get lumbering behemoth back, anon. Otherwise it's a waste of points that could otherwise be used for moar conscripts.

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>>53408865
You will be the last to be eaten on the day of the blueberry feast.

>>53408689
>Power swords are blades with an energy field running through them, unpowered it's still a sword capable of stabby stabs. They are nothing like lightsabers.

Not always. Inquisitor Eisenhorn had a "bladeless" power sword

>In the early part of his career, Eisenhorn carried a power sword of unusual design; instead of having a conventional metal blade as the focus of its energy-field, the blade was itself made of pure energy. This antique, graceful and deadly blade had been blessed by the Provost of Inx.

>>53408926
They've already stated vehicles can fire all their weapons every turn.

>>53408589
Going by the tau sniper drone datasheet, it looks like the crew and the weapon might be separate units which can be targeted individually.

That would be a colossal nerf to artillery, but that was kind of expected. It was ridiculously strong in 7th ed.

>>53408946
At normal BS? Shit, I can't believe I missed that.

>>53408946
I think he's referring to the fact that heavy weapons fire at -1 BS if you move, though.

Russes SHOULD get a rule to ignore that, but they'll be shit if they dont.

>>53408946
Yes, but at -1BS for heavy weapons (so every weapon on this tank if I'm not mistaken). I expect Lumbering Behemoth to remove this restriction.

>>53407703
The back looks ok, but the front looks like someone had spare air conditioner ducts kicking around.
Needs to be blockier and have intakes.

>>53408904
I remember that fuking power axe. Holy shit it's like a giant surgery knife.

>>53408959
they already stated that most vehicles ignore the to hit penalty
can't recall where though

>>53408785
The stats of the Earthshaker will determine if I do Guard this edition or not.
I love artillery.

>>53408954
As those below you said, moving and firing gives a -1 to BS for heavy weapons, but I'd expect tanks and such to get a rule to ignore that.

Noob question, I recently played against a guy who had a ton of crazy ork shit that I have never seen, and I can't find it on GW or anything. Do some miniatures go out of standard or print or something?

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>>53407605
I like the Hrud because both my army's faced them on Chinchare. Speaking of which I see that Chinchare is highlighted on this map. More fluff?

>>53408979
I don't think they did. They specified in the Dark Eldar FF that Ravagers had a specific rule to do so, for example.

>>53408990
The rules specifically stated that they don't unless they get special rules otherwise.

>>53408991
Probably kitbash or third party minis. Orks have huge kitbash potential

>>53408991
It may have been Forgeworld, a smaller subsection of Games Workshop which sells more expensive resin models which are still GW-legal.

>>53408991
If you could remember any of the names of the units, it would help us a whole lot in helping you

>>53408969
>implying Russ won't go back to its pre-5e of being just a tank with a big gun on the turret

They have to do something about the gun. D6 is nothing. That amounts to 1.75 hits on average.

>>53408278
I'm worried for my siege regiment too anon
We might be getting even worse unless FW ramps us up

>>53408128
>taufag spotted

>>53409009
oh you're right it's the exact inverse
"They shoot just like everyone else does, including (with a few exceptions) -1 to hit with heavy weapons if they move."
let's hope our russes (and literally all flyers) are those few exceptions

>>53409017
The only one I can remember was a sort of squig-o-saur of sorts, Sorry

>>53408435
Leaf here, sorry people in the city of Québec have access to internet. They're all retarded.

>>53409041
sounds like a squiggoth, and yeah, that's a forgeworld unit.

>>53409062
That would be the one, thanks. I didn't even know these were a thing.

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How much autism would spout by using this statue as a replacement for Kytan?

>>53409011
"Vehicle" arch-type might as well ignore it. Vehicles in general tend to be stable firing playforms. Atleast more than moving infantryman with machinegun.

>>53408837
Hits don't rollover. Regardless of how many hits you make, you're still only doing d3 wounds to each model.

It's niche is specifically anti-elite infantry.

>>53409088
I wouldn't refuse to play against it, but I would judge you in silence.

>>53409088
I'd laught really hard.

>>53407944
Well I hope knights are getting a points increase to go along with their 24 wounds cause nothing else appears to be close.

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>>53408793
Thanks, anon, and yeah, I apparently have a problem realizing when I'm writing too much and editing not enough, and I don't want them dismissed out of hand. The magical realm is pretty much the second half of the second part and being that they're female in the first place, people are going to sexualize them plenty without my help; how does this revision look?

>Native abhumans are mostly human in appearance, barring large and webbed hands and feet, slight digitigradiation of the legs, and long, sticky, prehensile tongues
>keen night vision; superb at swimming, climbing (being able to cling to walls), jumping, and breath-holding; immune to most poisons and secrete a weak paralytic poison themselves
>superb reflexes come at the cost of high metabolism; they tend to have short attention spans and voracious appetites
>small stature makes them unsuited for CQC and operating heavy weapons, but excellent for stealth missions
>unisexual due to their constantly hostile environment; all individuals are effectively clones of their mothers, so the population is uniformly pale, with black eyes and hair, averaging just under 5 feet tall
>instinctive collectivists who worship not just the Em'Prah, but the Imperium as a whole, leading them to be fanatically loyal and easy to command, but somewhat gullible
>feel kinship towards Ratlings, due to their similar size, shared status as abhumans, not minding the Ratlings' smell, and love of their cooking; Ratlings in turn tend to exploit their naivety in their schemes, leading to a symbiotic relationship of sorts

>>53408787
Probably about 20 points per point of power, but twenty points doesn't necessarily buy what it used to. A basic bolter marine is 13 points, but significantly tougher and a little less able to kill most stuff with the new rules. Also, power includes your ability to buy upgrades.

So the leviathan dread is maybe 310-330 points with 'typical' upgrades.

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>>53409088
Why

>>53409089
Except GW stated vehicles will be affected by it.

I'm hoping models with the TANK or FAST keywords ignore it. Otherwise my sponsons will STILL be useless.

>>53408785
The earthshaker was going to be my next purchase for my dkok, with some more quads and infantry

>>53409091
hits do wounds dont

>>53408883
5 power for five marines.

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>>53409041
probably forgeword then, but as the other anon said, orks have huge conversion potential - some of the units may be scratchbuilds or heavy conversions

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>>53407596
Imperium Index 2 Lists multiple armies.
Sisters of Battle not even important enough to make the cover.
"IG! AdMEch! Knights! Bodyguards! Miscelleneous!"

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>>53409088
I have some friends play fig too so I would agree and maybe will have a good laught from it.

>>53409027
Just imagine what Medusa Bastion Breachers will do in 8th. Fuck you and your big stuff.

>>53409088
Tamamo a cute, but I'd think it was dumb.

>>53407924
I have seen this exact same post every new edition since Rogue Trader was published

>>53409113
>listening to music while playing
does this count as heresy

>>53409088
>>53409122
Now knowing what it is you're proxying, that's hilarious.
Replace the umbrella with a chain/poleaxe and
give her some skulls and sigils of Khorne.

>>53409088
I honestly can't tell the difference

>>53409088
i would have problems not laughing
>>53409149
they were imperial agents before anyway?
besides, factions are getting their own codices later on.

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>>53409113
>yfw astartes that were send to help you have vaginas in place of mouth and purple armours but you are okay with this

>>53407596
So does is that dude in Atlanta who sells things for 30% off if you contact him through facebook still kicking around? My brother wants to preorder through him.

>>53409128
the great unclean one incarnate

>>53409159
Yeah I'm holding out some hopes, but still no templates is scary
Did I hear right that orders auto pass too?

>>53409113
Creepy fucker on the left and the girl to his right.
>Please don't rape me...

>>53409113
It's the 2nd and 3rd from the left; their expressions look way exaggerated/forced.

>>53408910
I think basilisks will probably be 2d6 shots. I mean, frag grenades are 1d6. And it makes more sense to me that GW would have made the BC multi damage but small blast equivalent, than making frag grenades large blast equivalent.

>>53409106
They are power 23, so yeah. Probably near to 500 points.

>>53409173
It should

>>53409182
>they were imperial agents before anyway?
imperial agents is a codex that's all about adding small detachments of fluffy imperial agents to your main army , none of them are really intented to be used as a standalone army, the old netdexes remained valid
no sisters have basically been put on the same tier with such expansive factions as"valkyries and a dude" or "lenin and 3 guys holding their forehead"

>>53409113
Wow no representation for redheads, blondes, the bald or the freckled.

Now I know how niggers feel.

I heard allied detachments got nerfed in 8th, is this true?

>>53409182
Of the entire Imperial Agents book, Sisters had the most complete army. Custodes is a less complete army.

I don't even play sisters, but Custodes should be folded into "Agents." Sororitas should /probably/ have gotten the billing over them.

Hell, two other agents, Grey Knights and Legion of the Damned, get billing in the Space Marine index.

Also, are custodes not space marines? Are they really just normal humies?

>>53409196
Yeah they do. And FRFSRF got buffed. So it might be that orders in general will be the force multiplier that guard uses needs.

>>53409091
They've specifically stated that multi-hit weapons can hit the same model multiple times.

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>>53409173
>>53409228
>playing against rando at gameshop
>hes listening to music
>his turn comes around
>"where did all these damage counters come from, what happened"
>mfw
He did that all game, then I never saw him again

>>53409219
problem with that reasoning is that a lemon russ is a large blast and also has 1d6 shots

>>53409252
>Being a blonde bald ginger with freckles
I know your pain.

>>53409113
It's positioned like the Last Supper, right down to the measuring tape in the same position as the overturned salt shaker.

>>53409267
What were the changes to rank fire?

>>53409196
just throw heavy flamers sws out of valks and call it a day

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>>53409088

>>53409272
Nigger, read what I said.
The frag grenade and the Battle Cannon are both d6 shots. That leaves 2 options.

>GW made the Battle Cannon the equivalent to a small blast, but gave it multi-damage to compensate. (GW is bad at math)

>GW made frag grenades the equivalent to large blasts

I personally find the first option more likely. ymmv

>>53409315
went from 1 extra shot to weapon turns into rapid fire 2
basically enjoy your conscripts firing 200 shots
also it's an autopass so you're not throwing orders away when issuing them to SWS and HWS

>>53408560
Seconding this. Some of the Nurgle stuff looks fine and a different paint job will probably help, but that combined with every non-Mark X armoured marine looking shit has turned the starter box from an instant buy into a won't bother.

>>53409256
>Also, are custodes not space marines? Are they really just normal humies?
They're to a space marine the way a space marine is to a guardsman. Unless the marine is a named character, then he can tear custodes a new asshole all day.

>>53409317
Deepstrike is 9"
Flamers are 8"
Unless they make valk deepstrike with a better range that is a long gone dream

What army gives the the biggest excuse to be colourful, Tyranids, Eldar or Chaos?

>>53409350
heavy flamers dumbass

>>53409355
Eldar

>>53409317
Siege regiment keep their boots firmly on the ground

>>53407605
>The mighty Hrud, come to rid the galaxy of the Tyranid scourge alongside their leader, Reuben Hruddace!

>>53409350
it used to be count's as deepstrike because scatter
it might change now since it's not just a free drop , your valk needs to fly over it

>>53409357
So heavy flamer has a longer range?

>>53409133
>>53409269
Ah, okay. Nvm, Battle Cannon is great again.

>>53409355
Probably Chaos if you go Slaanesh. Their entire thing is wearing the most garish colors possible because they're sense freaks and regular colors just don't do it anymore.

>>53409357
We have the stats for a heavy flamer ish weapon from forgeworld today. Same 8" range

>>53409355
Eldar for sure

>>53409355
Yes.

Nids encourage naturall style colorfulnes, chaos intentionally loud colours and patterns and Eldar clean colours.

>>53409355
Space Marines.

>>53409335
Yeah I was thinking that's a big boon to HWS, of which I could take many of if so desired
So vox casters?

>>53408068

Theyre a slight nerf in vacuum against 3+ but in reality in 7th ed they just forced marines to take a 4+ cover save

Their real buff is being able to do something about 2+ save guys now with just their lasguns

But also keep in mind about 50% of the utility of stormtroopers comes from deep striking BS4 melta/plasma guns

>>53409256
Space Marines are superhumans elite warriors.
Death Watch are made of the elite Space marines. They are all double elite.

Primaris Marines are super super humans. They are double super.

Custodes are both super super, and elite elite.

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>mfw metric fags have to get cucked by inches to play the game

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The size of these new Plague Marines seems to vary a lot.

>>53409380
Hellflamer.
Question is if its a heavy flamer or a buffed regular one.

>>53409406
Being covered in gribblies will do that.