Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>53391100
I want to have a threesome with those spiders.

You were a couple minutes slower
>>53391062

>>53391100
I am amused.

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Dat pyro.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-death-guard/

DEATH GUARD ARMY FOCUS

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-death-guard/

>>53391129
You should link the new thread in the old thread.

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>>53391168

Going to buy the box and then deep strike on Ebay for those selling these cultists separately.

>mfw adding these to my mutant hordes for Lost and the Damned.

>>53391129
>Doesn't link to it from the old thread
>Is suprised when nobody knows it exists

We already had a general here anon..

>>53391062

>>53391176
>>53391177
>Another unit to get excited about are Poxwalkers, the other Troops choice for the Death Guard. Coming in at 6 points in matched play with Disgustingly Resilient, they are a very solid pick. This unit also never has to take morale tests, which means you have to kill them to the last man (zombie?) which is not an easy task. Another cool rule they have is Curse of the Walking Pox, allowing you to add another Poxwalker to the unit every time they slay any enemy Infantry models. This unit is great for holding objectives or for screening your more valuable units from the hyper-fast assault units we’ve seen in armies like Tyranids. Also, if you’ve got Typhus on the table, he increases the Strength and Toughness of nearby Poxwalkers by 1 with his special ability, bolstering their already formidable durability!

They are zombies!

>>53391168
Does anyone else love how fucking goofy these guys are?

>>53391222
This one has already grown to surpass it, next time link the new thread in the old one.

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Orks up next

Zombies are 6 points. That actually feels about right, given their reliable FNP and some chance to recover dudes (unless that counts as summoning and you need to pay for them, in which case it's quite shit).

>>53391236
Yes, love it.

>>53391176
>>53391177
>Poxwalkers. Coming in at 6 points.
>they have is Curse of the Walking Pox, allowing you to add another Poxwalker to the unit every time they slay any enemy Infantry models.

And here I was assuming free model syndrome was gone.

Thanks Nu-GW!

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FUCKING REEEE
POXWALKERS ARE THE SAME POINT COSTS AS BOYZ
ORKS WILL NEVER BE GREAT AGAIN
REEEEE

>>53391129
>Blight launcher
Doublekrak?

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Any of you anons play games lately?
And i know a lot of /tg/ is excited about 8th but I'm still bummed out about the end of AV14 Russes and blast weapons. How do you think they'll balance and buff the Russ in spite of this? And what is everyone excited for /dreading about 8th?

>>53391236
Not sure if I like it or not.

They look too inhuman for the "human face of the cult", the regular dudes following the monsters and super soldiers around.

>>53391263
Doesn't in AoS.

>>53391269
Zombies and skeletons can bring back models, but only up to the max unit size. Figure it's the same.

>>53391254
>hey goys nu-gw here!
>orks have had a horrible case of too many model syndrome so we made them all twice their costs so people can start fielding a high point ork force more easily.

>>53391269
>Have to set aside points

>>53391168

>these guyd knock on your door and ask if you've heard about the blessings of Nurgle and the eternal afterlife

What do you do? Keep in mind that their smiles are worth protecting.

>>53391269
Adding one model for each slain model for a unit that is most likely going to hit on a 5+ with S:User VP0 is not as bad as summoning completely new units

Also, if it works as AoS, you can't go beyond the number of models you had in the beginning

>>53391305
They are zombies, not cultists.

>>53391304
Looks like a fun game but somebody needs to paint at least one of those models.

>>53391263
>zombies 6 points
>a cultist with an autogun and a mark of nurgle will be 7 points and not get FNP or any other fancy abilities
non-legion chaos btfo again as usual

>>53391266
They're fucking amazing, I love them. Don't like everything else save the Daemon Engine which I'm building into a DarkMech Arvus Lighter cockpit, but they suit the cartoony paint job really well, Labcoat Guy especially.

I've assigned him a Jamaican accent in my head already, and I have no idea why.

>>53391176
-Some version of FnP
-In an all DG detachment, Plague Marines are Troops
-Plague Marines: T5, reroll 1s to-wound in combat, Blight Launcher: Assault 2, S6, AP-2, D:D3, 24"
-Pox Walkers: Zombies, 6pts each, immune to morale, make more zombies when they kill infantry. +1 S and T when Typhus is nearby.
-Miasma of Pestilence psychic power: Enemy subtracts one on to-hit rolls versus buffed unit.

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>>53391274
>knowing what happens on Thursday already
Tell me your secrets

>>53391321
>Doesn't matter, you're already dead

It's probably better to just buy the box myself and sell the other half right?

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>>53391321
Tell them I'm already following Slaanesh and invite them in for a orgy.

>>53391304
I remember those unpaint Tyranids

>>53391328
They dont look like walking human corpses, they look like alien daemons.

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>>53391254
they better have an update on this

>>53391274
>comparing 7th edition stuff to 8th edition stuff
will you guys please stop doing this until you know what you are talking about

>>53391333
After three fucking editions of non-legion being only edition, go blow it out your barrels you fucking rotary cannon.

>>53391237
Uh, the other general does link to the previous thread. This one doesn't.

After getting a look at more of the Primaris stuff, I'm really glad I decided to not go with making a full force of them.

I'm gonna just stick with conversions.

thought a faction focus would be out by now what time do they usually come out?

>>53391352
I play Tzeentch Orks.

>>53391384
Try to read the thread

>>53391384
>>53391176

I knew it was coming, but seeing that psychic power and knowing that it is basically the end of shooty orks feels bad. How do GW not grasp that putting modifiers on rolls that some armies are really bad at fucks the game? -25% to marines and -50% to orks can not be balanced, because it's effectiveness depends on which army you are playing against.

Only vague hope remaining is that some ork units can ignore that kind of thing or that literally every army can easily throw out loads of -1 to hit modifiers and ork shooting is really, really cheap to compensate.

>>53391377
Unimportant

>>53391377
No, link the new thread in the old thread.
That way people will go to the new from the old without having to look through the catalogue.

Why do you think this thread took off despite being newer? It was linked to in the old thread.

>>53391364
Wait is this official?

>>53391372
you already got your traitor legions book in 7th and you also aren't done paying for the sins of the 3.5 codex

>>53391326
>Also, if it works as AoS, you can't go beyond the number of models you had in the beginning
Bummer, I was looking forward to sending in a group of poxwalkers against conscripts and getting 50 new poxwalkers.

>>53391421
It was.

>>53391231
>>53391269
>All of muh conscripts

>>53391421
yes sadly the meme originated from a GW publication meant to drive sales of nobz and nauts

>>53391315
Fine with that. Horrors have that same limitation.

>>53391307
>>53391326
So long as there is a limit.

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>>53391274
Going by the cost of the stuff we've seen so far, boyz will either have a significant buff or be 4 points per model.

Hopefully find out on thursday whether it's time to dust them off or put them into storage.

>>53391176
Poxwalkers with Typhus seem like they'll be the mother of all tarpit.

BUT ORKS FOCUS TOMORROW YO! WAAAAAAAGH!!!

>>53391408
Well, consider that against Orks, any modifier after the first is also useless. An army of really stealthy and shrouded units will probably be cutting marines in half as well, and even lower if they want to move with their heavy weapons.

Meanwhile, Orks can have their Looted wall around still hitting on 6s with no trouble, and an Ork army is far more likely to bring a bunch of flamers anyway to get around poor BS.

Plus, you can always do the ultimate,method of ignoring all cover and charge them.

>FRFSRF costs CP
>Guard BTFO

>>53391236

They're like something straight outta Cartoon Network

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I love Harlequins so much.

Will Harlequins be good in the new 40k?

>ORK TOMRROW
'ERE WE GO

>>53391477
Day after tomorrow.

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>>53391501
>>53391236

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>>53391511
Cegorachi, anon.

>>53391408
Well if orkz can put 200% more shots/attack for similar point values it kinda evens out.

>>53391511
Play Shadow War

Assuming you can get a game

>>53391371
>will you guys please stop doing this until you know what you are talking about
That doesn't sound very /tg/.

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>L-leave me alone Chad!

>>53391515
>TOMRROW
You iz a git wut dunno da days.

who is ready for another edition of 15 year old cadian models, 18 year old khorne berseker models, and the still kirby era pricing on a lot of kits like MANz, Tyranid warriors, and Ogryn?

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>>53391417
>>53391409
'Mornin' brew' anon here.
In my defense, it was kinda hard to link the new thread in the old thread when the old thread had already been archived by the time I looked for it.

>>53391515
>ORK TOMRROW
>'ERE WE GO
>TOMORROW
It is Wednesday already? Next faction focus is Thursday anon. I'm an Orkfag and even I know I'll have to wait 2 days until I see how good da boyz are treated this edition.

>rubric squads got the flamers and autocannon
>plague marines get plasma(?) and a grenade launcher
>noise marines get ?
>berzerkers get ?

>>53391572
Or how bad.

>>53391571
20 year old SoB

Next year they'll be legal all around the world now

>>53391485
Maybe, assuming modifiers stack and that 6 is a guaranteed hit.

There are several scenarios which lead to ork shooting being viable. They just all seem to need a lot of things to line up right, which would require someone in the design team to (a) care about orks enough to balance the whole game around them and (b) not subscribe to the 'melee race' meme or a hell of a lot of luck.

I still have a glimmer of hope, but I'm painting my admech at the moment...

>>53391528
Oooooh yeah silly me, Thursday, not Wednesday.

>>53391584
Whatever we get, it better be LOUD.

>>53391584
>knives and krak repeaters*

>>53391584
>noise marines get Sonic Blasters, Doom sirens, and Blastmasters

>berzerkers get Chain axes

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Fuck, that 'choose your allegiance' meme turned out to be sorta true.

>>53391584
Berserkers get Skull-boomerangs,

>>53391584
>>53391612
Berserkers might get specialist melee weapons.
Evicerators, maybe?

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>>53391551
>yfw Chadmarines deploy their own Noise Marines blasting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrjStSqu_w4 at full force into Chaos Space Marinelets faces

>>53391435
The tau didn't have to pay nearly as long for FoF

>>53391617
I mean, you can only get like 35 of the fuckers going by 7th cultist max.

>>53391630
>Berserkers might get specialist melee weapons.
Chain Axes, maybe a 2h chain axe.

>>53391630
>Berserkers might get specialist melee weapons.
>Evicerators, maybe?
not until they get a new kit

>>53391625
We were warned about this release format at least a month ago.

>>53391625
SoS and Custodes have their own title.

Inquisition, assassins and SoB got shafted into Imperial Agents.

Well at least we are not marines getting replaced by Primaris

>>53391625
Indexes are basically quick n' dirty 8E updates.
Codexes are coming out later to slowly make the rules all obsolete.

>>53391538
Sure, unless they are facing an army which doesn't have access to to-hit modifiers, in which case they become overpowered.

Rock-paper-scissors gameplay is kind of inevitable in games like 40k, but I'd really rather it wasn't at an army level where you basically know who is going to win based on the force they are playing. Even worse, when some armies have toolkits which let them choose rock, paper or scissors and some have a bag of rocks.

>>53391658
Ofc. We'll call it a "Bloodviscerator"

Retarder GW naming conventions aside, can definitely see KB's being the guys who can take melee special weapons 2/5 or 1/10

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>>53391585
>Or how bad.
I dunno, it's pretty hard to beat how bad the greenskins have been treated in the last couple editions.

I mean, Orks were the original Lootas, but GW took that away from us and gave us bland Deffguns and Looted Wagons in place of Looted Vehicles and old Loota rules. And then they turn around and give GSC the ability to loot imperial vehicles (and make them BETTER no less!) but still wouldn't let the boyz go back to our old Looted rules.

And that one is just my pet issue with how GW's treated Orks the last couple editions. I'm pretty sure other players can bring up other ways Orks have been shafted crunch-wise in recent years.

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>>53391667
>tfw less memorable than the white scars so no one even notices you lost your own codex
not that i mind, i just liked allying them in with their own special orders

>>53391699
>7 Plague marines
It'll be 1/8.

Rubrics just got shit on for literally no reason

>>53391645
yeah but those are tau not chaos

everyone remembers how utterly broken it was to have your bersekers leap out of transports randomly, have a whole lot of restrictions on what units could be taken (there was a big chart if I recall), buy grenades separately, and to have a whole legion whose one ability is to take a single basilisk

for as much ass players hated the 4e chaos codex, compare it to the 7e chaos codex and you will weep tears of sadness. Many units were weaker and more expensive in 7th than in 4th, and with no clear reason why

>>53391124
Same

>>53391712
Scions having their own codex was a mistake in the first place. Should have had a special character that made scions troops or special detachment/formation to simulate scions only armies.

Your sub-faction can make some units troop choices.

This might just be awesome for orks...

Evil Suns can take all bikers
Deff Skulls can take all lootas
Bad Moons can take all flash gits
Goffs can be 100% meganob

>>53391499
I knew I was justified in taking the minimum Guardsman squads and just buying as many tanks as possible.

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No scythe and no grinning terminator.

Mort & DG Terminator box set confirmed

>>53391751
It's not going to be a box set, anon. Use the right words, silly.
All the new DG will probably get their own kits.

>>53391584
If Noise Marines don't get something called a 'Bass Cannon', I will be disappointed.
If GW's going to shift Noise Marines' disposition from hair metal to dumbstep, they should go all in on that change.

Heya tee gee who all is exited for 8th edition? Boy I sure am, cant wait to crush those WACK fags with my new balanced army amirite? I hope you all will be joining me at my Local Games Workshop™ at the release party. Remember, shipping is free to you Local Games Workshop location!

>>53391625
Not really. It's like someone saw this image and jumped to lots of conclusions.

>>53391742
Armageddon get hellhounds
Catachan get ogryns
Tallarn get sentinels
Cadia get their homeworld blown up

>>53391769
>max spectrum autism
you know what i meant.

>>53391699
Nah, a Skullcapitator Axe.

>>53391751
>Bought the Crimson slaughter expansion
>Would totally buy this expansion too

>>53391776
Heck ya bro, cant wait to preorder my new box set and pick it up at my local Games Workshop release event

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>>53391780
Already exists

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>>53391742
>Your sub-faction can make some units troop choices.
>This might just be awesome for orks...
>Evil Suns can take all bikers
>Deff Skulls can take all lootas
>Bad Moons can take all flash gits
>Goffs can be 100% meganob

>mfw Freebootaz can pick and choose from these troop choices, but half to pay double the point cost for them as a penalty.

So what do Blood Axes and Snakebites get?

>>53391776
t. Butthurt WAACfag
Don't worry, Kelly won't allow your Eldar to be shit.

Alliance imperium is going to be so much fun

>>53391786
>not using the right words so no misunderstandings happen
Mistakes can be made anon, just fix them later on.

>>53391799
He said Typhus, not Typhon.

>>53391712
Scions were fun to play on their own

>>53391778
>Cadia get their homeworld blown up
savage

>>53391802
>Blood Axes
Storm Boyz and Kommandos
>Snakebites
Squiggoths

>>53391176
>Assault 2, Strength 6, AP -2 weapon that deals D3 damage at 24″
Sweet gebus

>>53391778
Kek

>>53391787
Bloodskull Ampucapitator

>>53391802
Kommandoes and Squigs respectively (Squigs being a grot upgrade like plague zombies were to cultists)

I'm going to paint some Deathwing terminators (Zandri dust and ushabti bone) and I was wondering what wash should i use. Some people use Nuln oil over the zandri dust, others use agrax earthshade and others seraphim sepia.

Which one would you recommend?

>>53391802
>Snake Bites get gargantuan squiggoths as troops.

>>53391625
>choose your allegiance' meme turned out to be sorta true.

You mean that pushed for Xeno Hordes and Xeno Empires?

>Tau in Xenos Horde
WE HOARDS NAOW?

>>53391844
Feels a lot like a plasma gun.

>>53391844
>For the low low cost of three krak guardsmen.

>>53391849
>>53391787
>>53391699

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbTc1SpjZSA

>>53391881
Pusma rifle

>>53391874
Dude is just talking about painting

Give the anon some advice, and maybe test the waters with a harmless gay traitor joke.

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With the whole Ynnari thing going on, what is the future of the Eldar lore? Is there even going to be any Craftworld Eldar, or Dark Eldar faction? Or are they just going to be under Ynnari/Aeldari?

I am asking this because with the latest Gathering Storm lore, quite literally every relevant Eldar character from all the Eldar factions are with the Ynnari.

Eldrad, Yriel, Illic, all the phoenix lords, Lillith, etc.

Harlequins are with Ynnari

Biel-tan is fucked, Ulthwe is sucked into Eye of terror, saim-hann is irrelevant as always, iyanden and altansar are both with Ynnari.

Will CWE even have its own lore now?

Or a more interesting proposal would be for new Eldar characters to enter the stage?

>>53391168
Orks Thursday! Fuck yeah!

>>53391879
Tau are not in hordes they are in "Index: NPC" or "Index: Uncultural and uncivilised"

>>53391864
I use Agrax thinned with medium. However I use Army Painter Skeleton Bone spray which is a direct match with Ushabti bone rather than GW Zandri Dust spray.

so we arent getting free rules for every unit on launch like they said?

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So I'm building a 5th edition chaos marine army and I was reading this on 1d4chan

I'm checking the wargear list but I'm not seeing the "chaos marines have one more attack", is this even correct?

Isn't anyone else worried about the massive fucking nerf to the cover system?

No more ruins, no more dedicated saves. Now high ap weapons apparently allow you to see the target better, and camo netting is equivalent to extra armor instead of some form of concealment.

Never mind the fact that this makes no sense, it's even counterintuitive within the rules. Flamers, which used to ignore cover, get automatic hits. But because cover increases armor saves, flamers don't ignore cover anymore.

Why doesn't it work like in KT:A where it penalizes the to hit roll?! That makes so much more sense, and it's arguably easier to play.

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Also anyone notice we didn't get a single stat line drop?
I wanna see that m5.
Who reckons they'll keep relentless?

>>53391881
>Plasma gun
>Having more than 1 dmg

>>53391937
>5th edition

>>53391874
>poor anon just wants to ask about painting
>start trashing him right off the bat
You're not a nice friend

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>>53391879
Space China will grow larger.

>>53391945
no

>>53391920
>Is there even going to be any Craftworld Eldar, or Dark Eldar faction?
Yes. There traditionalists within both CE and DE who have said fuck the Ynnari for various reasons. Most notably Asdrubael Vect.

>>53391945
>Be a guardsman
>Be not a guardsman
>'cos you dead.

I see great price shifts in our future, anon. Stay stronk.

so since armies are kinda mixed, will there be a restriction on allies? i would love the chance to add in some harlequins or dark eldar to my craftworlders. hell i wouldn't mind adding in necrons

>>53391949
>Plasma gun
>Having more than 1 dmg

I feel it needs 1d3 or flat 2.

In their Q&A a question about Grav came up and it sounded like Grav wasn't changing much and everything else was being tuned. With D1 Plasma is still a shittier Grav.

>Could be wrong and I misinterpreted their response.

>>53391945
>Now high ap weapons apparently allow you to see the target better
No, they're just punching through whatever you're hiding behind.
>camo netting is equivalent to extra armor instead of some form of concealment.
Oh so you have the new rules in your hand, or are you just extrapolating?
> But because cover increases armor saves, flamers don't ignore cover anymore.
Can you please share all this info you seem to have ?

>>53391980
Christ, stop bullying. Shitposting just because someone asking for advice was DA?

>>53391945
Except you're wrong. We've seen that stuff like smoke launchers and camo are instead a penalty to hit. See the sniper drones in the Tau article that used to have stealth.

Terrain is now basically standing directly behind a solid object.

In these cases, it works perfectly. Flamers and things that hot automatically don't care about camo or being unable to see, but still fall flat against a stone wall. Meanwhile, you still need to aim a lascannon, but a few feet of rubble isn't going to save a Guardsman from it.

This also works well with Tau markerlights only being a re roll to hit now. Rather thanks thing them shoot through walls, its just a multi spectrum sweep to detect things that are being camouflaged a bit better.

>>53391934
Core rules will be free as pdfs on launch.
Advanced rules (plus lore) will still cost money though.

It's a way to lower the barrier to entry for new players so they can understand the new rules without having to break the bank in the process.

>>53391934
They'll probably still put out free datasheets for everything on the website and an app. What you won't get for free are the points values to play in Matched Play.

>>53391995
Flat 2 would make sense. That one DEldar weapon had that

>>53391986
we dont know how allying will work

>>53391888
>krak guardsmen.
Wot

>>53391937
If you have a boltgun, a bolt pistol, and a close combat weapon you still get +1A for having Pistol+CCW.

>>53392009
And what about the Aegis line? It's job in fluff is twofold - to provide both cover and concealment.

What's it going to do now?

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>>53391274
6 power level. Its the new casual mode point score. It is not points per model. It is squad level. Which is why the rubric marines were 11 points for 5 and like 18 for 10 rubrics. Boyz may end up as like 2-5 power level. at least until ironjaw(the beast rises) orks show up.

>>53392026
Fucking rekt!

>>53391924
Nah, they are in Index: buy the other book for the other half of your wraithknight / riptide list.

>>53391945
>camo netting is equivalent to extra armor instead of some form of concealment.

Smoke launchers were teased to provide -1 BS to enemies rather than cover. If Camo is still a thing it probably works similarly.

>>53392051
>Actually 6 matched play ppm
>Power not given

>>53392048
thanks

>>53392051
reread the article, senpai

>>53392049
Who knows? We don't have the rules for fortifications yet. Those might have their own special rules that offer a +2 instead of a +1, or it might simply give a -1 to hit while functioning as normal cover.

So tempted to swap Inceptor heads with Castellan heads.
Cannot be anything but hilarious.

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>>53391920
There will be less grimderp dickery from both sides.

>>53392049
>It's job in fluff is twofold - to provide both cover and concealment.

It's cover friend. It's a metal wall you stand behind.

>>53391945
>most popular army doubles it's survivability in cover
>nerf

I'm not overjoyed by it, because it benefits forces with good saves even more, but giving penalties to hit based on cover would be horrific. That would result in ork shooting being almost completely useless, people trying to get the optimal amount of cover onto the table to benefit their army and all kinds of weirdness.

I much prefer a system where there are a wide variety of modifiers, some affecting to-hit rolls, others affecting saves. Ideally I want bonuses to hit to be fairly common as well and modifiers to wound rolls.

>>53391864
Nuln = Neutral
Agrax = Dirty
Sepia = Old

Pick your poison anon. Both Earthshade and Sepia will give you decent weathering, it's more about whether you want your bone to stay vaguely crisp

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Holy shit, these models look so dumb ! It's been a long time since I laughed this hard and long about a model reveal, last time was the GK baby carrier I think.

Those shields obscuring the iron sights of the guns ! Those same silly boot attachments as the AoS squat dude ! The way those silly looking jump packs are attached ! The way they pull their legs to the side, almost like they're afraid they'll castrate themselves if they let their legs hang down more naturally ! That weird helmet ! Hahahahahahahahaaa

They look like a very bad attempt to rip off reapers from starcraft mixed with a little sigmarines.

>>53391269
Your going to have to march these fuckers into a conscript blob if you plan on making it out of combat with more models than you went in with.

>>53392195
And here I was looking forward to the Primaris assault marine equivalents to convert then for Khorne marines

Guess ill just be gathering up captains and sergeants for enough swords.

>>53392195
lol!

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>>53391841
>>53391862
>>53391878
>Snake Bites get gargantuan squiggoths as troops.
>Tau proceed to shit themselves as dozens of guargantuan squiggoths charge toward them from across the battlefield

>>53392195
The helmet looks almost exactly like Starcraft marines.
Probably why the kit doesn't come with a visor for "muh orbital deep strike"

>>53392195
had the same reaction
somehow the banana see through plastic tubes add to the hilarity
also it looks the sergeant has a tiny Little mouth from this angle

>>53392195
I think they look pretty okay, just not as assault marines
They look more suited to space combat in the void

>>53392231
>Flying jet troopers
>assault marines

I'd hold on to your wallet there m8.
Daresay they'll have stabby-slashy marines aplenty.

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>>53391630
>>53391771

>New weapons
>They think those shitty kits will ever change

they'll be released with the new plastic Havocs amirite

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Y'all want some rules?

>>53391304
Well we know the battle cannon is shit, even compared to the current exterminator. But if the exterminator gets any of the twin or d3 damage buffs we've seen so far for other similar weapons, then I guarantee this edition will be rapsterminator edition.

>>53392290
No, Havoks aren't legion troops.

>>53392195
They look OK, defiantly one of the weaker Primarus models. The duel wielding thing is sort of cool though.

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>>53392298
Mor

>>53392195
Those Seraphim models look EXTRA T H I C C !

>>53392317
Ah so they'll be released with the upcoming Tzeentch Daemonkin! got it :^)

>>53392337
Aren't any more.

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>Much like Citadel Miniatures, rules for the extensive Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range will be made available in a series of Index books. The first two of these will be available alongside the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, available to pre-order on the 3rd of June. These first two books will cover the forces of the Adeptus Astartes and their traitorous kin.
>
Rules for all the rest of the Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range, including the myriad xenos races of the galaxy and the massed forces of the Astra Militarum and their accompanying Imperial Agents, will all be appearing in additional Index books that set to be released before the end of June.
>Also included are rules for a few characters who do not yet have a model, such as some heroes and villains of the Badab Wars.

>>53392239
If anything, it'd be a dedicated transport. Maybe the option for Snakebites is to replace their slugga with a second choppa. Then if the benefit for the choppa is the same as the chainswors, that's +2 attacks per boy.

>>53392298
>Measuring using the bases, not the models

Thank the Emperor for that ! No silly poking of models with tape measures like in AoS

>>53392348
Forgot link:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/

>>53392056
The faggot tax

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>>53391776
Well, at least you tried

>>53392348
Wait, didn't FW say they'd have rules for ALL their models ready on release ? Because this looks like it's just marines stuff, which is admittedly like 90% of what they sell, but still.

>>53392348
What worries me is models that have rules and are out of production. Like my sweet Repressor prince

>>53392195
I just don't fucking get it. Assault Marines is cool, why wouln't they could just go with that.

>>53392379
yep they did
aslong as i get my guard stuff before the end of june i won't complain to much though

>>53392298
>Flyers can't leave the table and come back anymore.
I'm guessing this means they don't have any restrictions as to how they can turn in the new edition, which is consistent with the whole getting rid of facings and measuring angles thing they seem to be going for (presumably because it led to a lot of disagreements between competitive players).

>>53392379
>expecting support for non marines

why aren't you playing a GW-approved faction, anon?

>>53392298
>Tools of War
>All modifiers are cumulative
No mention of multiple versions of a power or ability not stacking. Could get interesting.

>>53392370
The Real faggot tax

>>53392195
they look oddly like these new squats, the pose is very stiff

>>53392394
blood angels pls, assault marines have been ignored and meh for years

>>53392424
Sorry you are poor and retarded

>>53392195
So the obvious first step is to cut a V-notch in the top of the sheild.

>>53392400
It specifically says that a model might be forced off the battlefield by its minimum move, and I don't think that could happen if it had an unlimited turning ability.

>>53392415
Feel like that would be covered in Psychic Phase. But we shall see.

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>>53392298
>Units with #fly
>When Farsight charges your storm raven.

>>53392450
I'd imagine the shield could probably be left off entirely

>>53392400
>led to a lot of disagreements between competitive players
>tfw when you remember seeing other players waist 10-15 minutes trying to maneuver their models just right so they could hit the facing they wanted to while keeping their unit's exposure down to a minimum, then another 10 min. arguing with the other player about whether or not they could actually hit the side they wanted from that angle
Well, they did say they wanted to cut down on time per game iirc.

Anyone has experience painting Sa'Cea tau?

I have no idea what color paint the non-armor parts.

So are Poxwalkers (original zombie donut steel) basically going to act as the deathguard version of the Tzaangors?

>>53392446
>My army is weak so I'm gonna buy resin cheese
>The strong army brings resin
>You're still a sad fag

Have fun with that.

>>53392494
Cult cultists, yes.

>>53392494
Cultist+1, pretty much, yeah

>>53392475
I'd replace it with air brakes like on his back.

>>53392298
>Fight phase
Sounds extremely dumb

People will be calling it combat phase anyway I guess

>>53392507
>FW
>strong
>cheese

That norm was gone like what? 5th edition if not early.

Stay poor and mad

>>53392303
Eh, +1 strength and -1 to saves in exchange for half as many shots doesn't seem like a terrible trade-off. That's 25-50% more successful to-wound rolls and 25-50% more failed saves against most targets. If the exterminator becomes heavy 6, it's roughly on a par, being a little better against well armoured targets and a little worse against lighter ones, similar to the situation now.

>>53392526
I wonder what kind of cult cultist the World Eaters are going to get?

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New model when?

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>>53392555
There new models now buy more marines!

>>53392379
Well it will be "before the end of June". So you'll have to wait like two weeks. Not quite release, but pretty close.

>>53392195
if you sealed up the outer helmet and grounded them they could be cool haztroops

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>>53392494
>>53392551

>Tfw GW just says fuck it and ports in Kairic Acolytes / Bloodreavers from AoS
>Tfw they sell them as brand new CSM units with straight faces in the white dwarf

WE SIGMAR NAOW

Where's my goddamn Blood Angels faction focus?!

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>>53392534
mfw I've been calling it 'assault phase' for years and never realised they changed it.

>>53392592
8th is basically AoS second edition.

I would be surprise if next AoS edition we are not cross compatible

>>53392546
The battle cannon is heave D6, not heavy 6. So on average you get 3.5 S8 AP-2 damage D3.

By comparison, what we have now would be roughly Heavy 4 S7 AP-1 Damage 1.

But depending on how GW converts it the exterminator could become Heavy 8 and/or damage D3. I suspect it will still be heavy 4 with a reroll under a name other than twin-linked, damage D3.

>>53392534
Oh please. 7th Edition already calls it the Fight Sub-phase.

>>53392617
This.
If we even get a 9th edition and it's not "The warp now leads to a STRNG NU DUMENSHIN"

>>53392617
...They already are.

You have identical stat lines, you just need to choose which ruleset

>>53392628
>So on average you get 3.5 S8 AP-2 damage D3.

don't forget you miss half of those with bs4+

>>53392592
Wait a second... One of these CSM aren't like the other...

>>53392195

I like them

>>53392643
>You have identical stat lines
Nope. AoS doesn't have strength or toughness.

>>53392599
>Where's my goddamn Blood Angels faction focus?
You don't get one, because GW's about to squat your sparkly vampire asses with Hive Fleet Leviathan.

Looks like the bugs are good for something after all...

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How do you think these new rules effect Lost and the Damned type lists?

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Clarify this. Why in Index Chaos all of the CSM are lumped into the Renegade Astartes category, while loyalist SM chapters all get separate entries? I thought at least TS and DG were considered fully independent armies now?

>>53392675
nah donte from the devil may cry series is gonna be at the emps' throne in the final battle

>>53392682
You though wrong

>>53392677
Lost and the Damned is not an army.

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I know these are just manlet marines but I still hope they come out soon

>>53392682
I think they would be CSM faction like now and have legion rules for their own units

>>53392673
Then just ignore those stats when fighting cross-realm in Warhammer 41k: Sigmar's revenge

>>53392682
"All" Space Marines don't get separate mentions, only those who have always had separate codexes.

>>53392673
Shit, my bad

>>53392682
My guess? Retardation regarding confirmation bias.
Marine sell. So make more marines.

It does not feel like GW took a momento to ask why that particular product is selling more than the others.

>>53392702
they're Japan only

>>53392677
Main impact is summoning is gutted. Renegades and Heretics are likely to just be cheaper, shittier guard with a different selection of allies now. But we'll have to see the final rules in the FW Chaos Index book.

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>>53392682
These are lists until the actual books come out. It says as much on the website.

If I take the mark of god for my HQ in a chaos marine army, am I forced to use the same mark for the rest of the army or can some squads have different marks?

>>53392677
since blasts are gone you can kiss your cheap tanks goodbye

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>>53392729
we've been over this before they will be available in the secondary market, and because GW has contracted out production, there is a chance they may be available through online retailers who ship the US

>>53391864
Duncan made a painting tutorial on YouTube for deathwing
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZidrNe1u66w

>>53392720
>It does not feel like GW took a momento to ask why that particular product is selling more than the others.
Considering Marines had at least 6 separate codexes as far back as 4e-5e, is it really that surprising?

Maybe if they gave other factions the spotlight for once instead of trying to shove MOAR SPESS MAHREEN WANKERY down everyone's throat all the time things would be different...

>>53392751
Can, but watch your legion rules, if you use them

>>53392628
Yeah, I meant 'twice as many shots' as the exterminator getting about 6 shots (or possibly 8, or 4 with a re-roll) to the battlecannon's 3.5 average.

Every hit with the battlecannon has very roughly twice the chance of causing unsaved wounds as an autocannon hit. For example, against marines in cover, autocannon wounds on 3+ and they get a 3+ save (22% chance of translating a hit into wounds) and the battlecannon wounds on a 2+ and gives a 4+ save (42% chance). Against a dread in the open, it's 4+/4+ (25%) and 3+/5+ (44%).

So the smaller number of hits is offset by the greater chance of those hits causing wounds. Therefore, if you want both weapons to be roughly equivalent, you should give them the same damage.

The only problem with this is that it seems there are going to be a whole bunch of choices for the leman russ main gun which basically do the same job. But that means you can just go with whichever one you like the aesthetics of, I guess.

>>53392751
You can have different marks on units

But a hero with a Mark can only join a unit with the same Mark, or no Marks at all.

>>53392767
This is always the fall back of the unpopular armies.
Marines can clearly support having several different armies without splitting the playerbase of those armies too much.

Marines are popular because super soldiers in cool armour is popular and generally well liked more than space elves or space bugs or space orcs.

>>53392751
It seems like how it will work is if you're "pure" you'll get some benefits, like Plague Marines as troops. You can choose to mix, to represent Black Legion for example, but you just won't have access to those specific specialization benefits.

>>53392767
That is my point.
How much the sales are due Marine wankery and constant updates.

Are there cigarettes in 40k? As a vet, it seems unrealistic to me that you go through the black library books without any mention of smoking. Marlboro reds were a huge part of my life in Afghanistan.

>>53392814
And yet Space Elves now have four factions.

>>53392832
Its called lho.

>>53392814
Are you sure about that?
One store here didn't had marines in display and resulting in almost zero marine sales.

That is the issue we don't know how much is due to MARINE ALL DAY EVERY DAY

>>53392832
>black library books without any mention of smoking
Nigger what? They mention lho sticks and cigars all the time

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>>53392195

>flying tanks

>need extra shield in front of their bolter (of course)

>not even thinking about shielding their weak flexible parts at their joints with simple overlapping plates

Good job, Magos!

>>53392738
Why do people even bother asking that account questions that he obviously isn't going to answer? Whoever is manning it either doesn't know any more details than the rest of us or isn't allowed to answer specific questions that haven't already been covered by official releases. All he does is insult customers, make tired jokes and tell us that 8th is going to be awesome and everything you are asking about is going to be super awesome and the thing you weren't asking about but he wants to talk about is mega awesome.

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>>53392832
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lho-stick

>>53392832
Kommando Nobz smoke

but it's probably squig hair or some shit

Wonder what would be better to represent a Mutant and Abhuman army.

Mostly SoB/Inquisition trickery to kill those guys and also do something useful.

>>53392702
Me too anon. Especially after seeing the direction 40k is going with marines. I want a whole set now.

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>>53392832
Nope, not like there are model smoking or anything.

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>>53392303
>>53392546
>>53392628

>MFW beloved pom-pom is awesome now
>not just good vs infantry and light vehicles but MC's and heavy vehicles too
>MFW mechanized army with nothing but autocannon chimeras and exterminators

ALL THE POM-POM

>>53392892
the flash git kit also comes with left arm holding a cigar

>>53392026
>can't help but trash any mention of DA, even if it's a harmless little anon asking for advice
So what's life like being an autist in your mother's basement? Not even DA myself and I'm starting to dislike that joke because of people like you acting so stupid with it. It was funnier before you forced it so much

>>53392912
You can easily make them from tactical and assault box.

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>>53391625
I don't see Khorne Daemonkin in there, and as someone who just got back into playing my Deamonkin army, that makes me really sad.

Imperial Guard, Inquisition, and Cult Mechanicus all in the same book.

I'm a lucky boy, those are all I own.

Btw, WTF GW, Every god dammed starter box is Marines and chaos. Every fucking time. Hook up the god damned guard already. Hook up the orks a well you fucking faggots. Marines are for queers who can't into strategy.

>>53392738
>We've seen models that aren't in the box.
>Does this mean we'll be getting additional model that aren't in the box?

Geez.

>>53392963
You got shafted into generic army like all the non loyalist SPACE MARINE.

New Games-Workshop sure likes to piss people off

>>53392400
So can Flyers fly backwards?

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Do You Feel The PAIN I Feel?

>>53392963
daemonkin are probably just being folded back into CSM/daemons

FWIW: recently on the webstore GW has started listing AoS Khorne Bloodbound and AoS Khorne Daemons as the same faction. Previously they were separate factions.

>>53392974
Every starter has Space Marines!
Expect this one that has Chaos and Primaris.

3rd had Generic BT vs DE
4th Ultras vs Nids
5th ultras vs Orks

>>53392974
>Every god dammed starter box is Marines and chaos. Every fucking time.

Only the current one and the new one.
Black Reach had Orks.
Macragge had Tyranids.
3rd had Dark Eldar.
2nd had Orks.

>>53392989
I'll be facing my LRs sideways from here on out to deny charges.

Facing doesn't matter anymore, so I will also move opposite the tracks as well.

>>53392974
I was stoked to.

>>53393030
Why stop at Land Raiders? Why not just turn Battlewagons into a glorified wall on wheels? The thing is a fucking stretch limo, but flanks no longer matter so you might as well move it sideways at all times.

Don't forget that with LOS gone, you now have Vindicators firing out their own ass.

>>53392974
Yeah, I dig it. All my armies in one book and I don't need to pay for any Marine rules I will never use ever.

I'd love there to be an Admech vs Guard/Orks/Whatever starter set, or just one with no Space Marines for once.

>>53393062
>everyone's vehicles are now drifting

After Intercessor, one who intervenes, and Inceptor, one who initiates, Hellblaster comes across as disappointing, but I digress. Anyone know a good place to get a hold of ravens? Not particularly in a flock, but individually perched or flying.

>>53393030
>to deny charges.
How so? You can't use pivoting to gain extra movement so I don't see any particular advantage to having them sideways aside from blocking a little more line of sight.

>>53393076
Warhammer 40.000: Necromunda Drift

>>53392773
>>53392808
>>53392819
I should have pointed that I'm building for 5th edition though

My current idea that I'm doing right now is:
1hq (typhus if the points allow, chaos lord if not) in a plague marine squad
1 squad of slaneesh marines for quick assault
1 squad of shooty marines, but I haven't looked into it yet

>>53393062
> LOS gone
When?

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>>53392832
>Are there cigarettes in 40k
Well, we know Creed is a cigar-chompin' mutha fucka.

I know Orks smoke cigars/cigs as well (probably made from some kind of squig/fungus material), and they're huge compared to human cigars.

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if Orks were smoking an Orkish version of dynamite sticks that didn't blow their head off because they don't think it will.

>>53392682
>Black templars still lumped with all the other space marines
take that you anti-codex fags

>>53392845
>>53392859
I thought Iho was a narcotic.

cigars arent the same.
thx for the info thats been bothering me.

>>53392926
I love me some autocannon sound effects!

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You can only reply to this post if you play a first founding legion.

>Sisters demoted to Imperial Agents sub-faction

HAHAHAHAHAHA

If all legions got at least one special unit and one terminator, maybe generic hq too, what would you want to see?

>>53393134
2016 call

>>53393132
>legion
I knew it

>>53393134
p-p-p-p-p-plastic models soon !

>>53393161
2004 wants its meme back

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New Lord Relictor looks amazing

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>>53393132
> legion
> the only existing legions is traitor legions
CONFIRMED

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>>53392991

>arch Hammer

CRINGE

>>53393183
>Look big brother! They let me carry flag into the battle. Are you proud of me?

>>53392928
>the flash git kit also comes with left arm holding a cigar
>tfw I made a cigar for an Ork I put inside the hatch of a Looted Basilisk back when I was just starting out all those years ago. It's not the greatest quality conversion/paintjob, but it's still mine.

Feels good man.

>>53393183
Stormcast lack banners so much, WHFB had them but they don't.

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>>53392963
We fucking told you it was gonna be dead on arrival or dead by 8th. Don't get too upset though, you still have daemons and marines along with only needing 1 book. Daemonkind might still live on in the fluff

>>53393166
Stop being paranoid anon. What are you, a DA?

>>53393208

Banners too grounded in reality. Have to have overthe top shit with candles all over it and shit

>>53393208
They have the Knight-Vexillor.

>>53393132
I really dislike this progressive regressive left bullshit in my hobby.

DA should be gone! Keep the game pure from this unnatural love!

>>53393183
It wasn't funny before and it still isn't funny my dear boy.

>>53391625

>heretic astartes, chaos daemons

what the fuck is the third thing? questor traitorous?

>>53393234
Renegade Knights.

Is this how new editions usually go? No love for xenos?

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>>53393241

zzzzzzzzzzzz

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>>53393243
>xenos

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*teleports behind u*

>>53393234
BLOOD PACT AND OTHER RENEGADES AND ALPHA LEGION NOT HERETIC ASTARTES ITS JUST A RENEGADES

>>53393243
xenos getting loadsa love this time round, just not in the starter kit. They also said theres more units coming so hold out some hope m8

>>53392838
"Four"

There's only really three.

>Cheese
>Edgy
>Clowns
>all of the above

>>53393243
No love for non Marines.

I miss 3rd GW at least tried back then

>>53393230
Silly anon, just because I was defending an anon who just wanted tips to paint before you started shitposting doesn't mean I'm a chink or a DA player. Also,
>implying I'm not up here enjoying this Alaskan summer weather

>>53393207
every time I see awesome ork kitbashes it makes me want to collect more orks, but I already have way too many in-progress models and projects

>5 flash gitz
>10 nobz (5 multipart, plus 5 AoBR/Vedros nobs)
>aobr/vedros warboss
>aobr/vedros deffkopter
>aobr/vedros boyz (12 I think? I didn't count them)

>>53393243
No, GW just decided to finally smarten up.

>>53393012
The AoS thing is because they released a new Blades of Khorne army book that includes all warriors and daemons of Khorne. They combined them ion the webstore because they're the same faction basically.
Pretty sure they did the same thing with Disciples of Tzeentch.

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>>53393184
I wanna have some drinks with the guy who runs the Facebook page, the levels of sass are too high

>>53392257
Oh my god i see it

>>53393272
I want more Eldar tanks. Wtf is up with the grav tanks being nearly identical with each other, seriously?

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>>53393183