Modern General

>>53384466
>https://www.mainphasemtg.net/modern-tier-list/2017/5/15/modern-tiered-list-weekly-update-and-analysis-for-51517

wrong link excuse the sloppiness

https://www.mainphasemtg.net/modern-tier-list/2017/5/22/modern-tiered-list-weekly-update-and-analysis-for-52217

>>53384466
Currently playing this because Norin Sisters is a great T2 deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wicked-sweet-norin-sisters/
Fuck Tron still

>>53384505
Gryff's Boon seems better than battlerage in this deck. Battlerage may be better for trying to 1 hit your opponent with ajani's pridemate, but boon seems far better when you don't draw pridemate, and is still very useful when you do.

>>53384736
Might try and make room for both.
Having options is necessary.

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undefeated with this on cockatrice lads, rate my shitty twin deck

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>>53384466
>Playing?
Titanshift and blue moon.
>Brewing?
Trying to make jund pox-loam great again.
>Metagame thoughts?
Way too fast for my liking.
>Bans/Unbans?
Banning nothing is ideal, ban deaths shadow is a ban is needed. Urban preordain. Reprint counterspell.

Question for discussion, why did they ban git probe but keep become immense legal?

>>53385932
Become immense is just a pump spell

>>53383700
You sure?

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>>53385990

>>53385932
Git probe promoted play they didn't like. It was best against interactive decks, letting all in decks like infect get an edge on decks that should beat them , while it was basically just street wraith against other uninteractive decks that infect should pray on. They had to ban something from infect (or at least felt they did) so they banned the card that pushed the format in the least interactive direction.

>>53386072
I can get behind this.

>Playing?
Living End - bashing face with $0.25 commons feels great :D

>Brewing?
Been trying to get into UW Control. Mostly just figuring out numbers at this point and testing before I bite the bullet.

>Metagame thoughts?
I haven't really played competitively in a while (hopefully will get to now with all the spicy Living End tech from AKH), so I can't really speak on this end.

>Bans/Unbans?
Bans: It seems like a cop out, but Death's Shadow, I guess. I haven't personally played against the deck (see above), but it seems like the deck has a sort of high percentage of in the meta. I would say Street Wraith cause it wouldn't outright kill Death's Shadow, but that sorta nerfs my deck in the process sooo...

Unbans: I would like to be able to play with Jace just for the potential to ult him in a game, but I realize he's super powerful. Dark Depths could maaaybe see an unban if we get some specific land hate similar to Wasteland/Ghost Quarter - I'd love to be able to brew with it in a KotR shell with Thespian's Stage and stuff.

>>53385932
>anime picture
>opinions on meta and bans are shit
>is a Ufag
Checks out

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>>53386225
>ban death's shadow
>I've never played against it

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>>53384466
>Playing?
Abzan

>Brewing?
A better Abzan build

>Metagame thoughts?
The metagame feels pretty weird right now

>Bans/Unbans?
Unban Twin or Jace or Mystic. One of the 3 at least

I'd like Shadow to be banned even though I don't think it's that good. I'd also like a Tron piece banned because I don't like it :^)

>>53384466
>Playing?
GWur saheeli evolution combo
>Brewing?
Looking for a graveyard hate creature to have in my sideboard. Yixlid Jailer seems like the best choice but if I draw it I can only cast it with birds. Might also get a Harsh Mentor if these coco combo decks stick around.
>Metagame thoughts?
It's nice.
>Bans/Unbans?
I'd like preordain to be unbanned when they inevitably ban something from storm.

Splinter Twin unban when?

>>53384466 (OP)

>Playing?
Gideon Martial Paragon exert deck (basically the intro deck with some additions from the packs and a bunch of general free cards my lgs gave me to help me for being new)
>Brewing
Gideon exert deck, started playing magic 2 days ago.
>Metagame thoughts?
No fucking idea, look above.
>Bans/Unbans?
Same.

Question: Sorry for derailing the thread, but I don't know if I should open a whole new thread for this or not. What is the difference of modern and standard. I know about the rotations/blocks/legal cards etc, but I also want to hear the opinions of you guys.

Which is more expensive in the short run and in the long run?

I can assume that modern has more variety due to having bigger card pool, is this true? Are there any must-go cards in modern where you see them in almost every deck that supports the color? Is it a minor phenomenon or to the point where it contradicts the whole "variety" thing?

what are your thoughts in general?
Thank you in advance.

>>53387847
Modern is everything going back to about 10th Edition. Standard is always just the last couple of sets. They both have more variety because there's a much bigger card pool in modern so there are more ways to build a deck and because standard gets new decks and the old ones change or leave every six months.

Modern decks cost a bunch upfront and then in theory are cheaper to maintain. When a new set drops there might only be a couple of cards you're interested for your decks. Standard has tons of relevant stuff coming in every time so you have to spend more to stay up to date.

The best thing to do is to go to your game store and play games with other people's real decks against their other real decks and see what kinds of decks you like.

>>53387847
>What is the difference of modern and standard
Speed. Only casting a single impactful spell in the first four turns of the game is a real possibility in standard, in modern doing so will lose you the game. The biggest criticism of modern is if you stumble in the first few turns you can lose the game before you even feel like you've begun playing. That's not to say games don't go long, I've had many 60 turn games in modern, but you can't simply wait for these turns to come. If your strategy requires the game to go long or reach a certain turn, you need to force the game to go long.
>Which is more expensive in the short run and in the long run?
Standard is more expensive in the long run than modern, and less expensive in the short term.
>Are there any must-go cards in modern where you see them in almost every deck that supports the color?
Here you can see the most played cards in modern https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern
Strong, versatile 1 cost cards often find themselves in many decks. You can click on some other formats and look at the top cards in those formats too.
>Is it a minor phenomenon or to the point where it contradicts the whole "variety" thing?
Card diversity can be lowered to a point without impacting deck diversity. If you look at the legacy page in that link you'll see 3 cards are present in the majority of decks, but since these cards don't strictly dictate the strategy you'll be playing, deck diversity remains decent.

Unban my boy DRS. He did nothing wrong.

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>>53388098
>Unban the One Mana Planeswalker
Nice try, Delverfag, but I'm on to you.

>>53388355
I didn't realize I was that easy to read.

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WotC really should print cards to make pic related viable.

All of those dumb linear CoCo decks really need a beating, especially now that their combo got even better with Vizier of Remedies.

>>53389049
>get kicked out of legacy
>come crying to modern

>>53389061
Nah it's still decent in Legacy.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-wur-37971#online

All I'm saying is that 4CMC Wraths are just not good enough anymore, the creature powercreep is real.

And considering that WotC will never print something better than Wrath of God in Standard
ever again it makes sense to improve existing options instead.

>>53386225
I don't think you can unban dark depths. Modern rock depths is the grindiest brick shithouse of a deck and would become a dominating and frustrating force in the meta imo.

Some games it just goes depths urborg hexmage meme all over you and some games turn into liliana grind out with crucible to shit out marit lage every other turn or ghost quarter lock you

I've played against it in modern no ban list events and it's really good even in that format with no other banned cards.

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>>53389150
lol@Dark Depths

They sacrifice 2 Lands and spent 2 mana, you pay 1 mana and draw a card.

>>53389169
I mean not that they always have it, but they usually main deck not of this world

>>53388053
>>53388043
Thank you both for your answers, I have a lot more clear image of those 2 formats now.

>>53389169
lol@Playing Blue

You gimp yourself by playing the worst color in the fornat and lose to just about everything.

>>53389441
But then you win and it feels even better than normal. Blue truly is the greatest.

>>53389573
Not the anon you're replying to, but I'm a bluefag and blue is absolutely the worst color in modern
Feels bad man

>>53389782
>Blue's best spells are either banned in Modern or were never legal
>Wizards refuses to print things that are even close to being as good
>Counterspell can't even stop Abrupt Decay
If it weren't for Snapcaster blue would see no play.

>>53390171
But Cryptic is the best.

>>53390296
I love me some cryptic, but it's only really used in UW(x) control, Turns, Blue Moon, and Bring to Light Scapeshift.
Despite lack of demand and many reprintings, it's still $35 and I need a playset.
I'm assuming its price memory bs

>>53390411
It's partially price memory. Partially it's demand for a good and powerful card. Also, it's pretty good in Commander, so there's that. I still need 2, but I think I can wait on those a bit longer.

>>53390296
All of its modes are horridly overpriced and the only reason it sees play is that it's a tempo swing. It's NOT good enough on its own to justify playing blue, while Snapcaster at least is good enough to do so.

>>53390586
K Command also has overpriced modes. Is it shit too?

>>53384466

>brewing
>Modern

Get a load of this asshole.

>>53390670
Be spicy anon. Be bold.

Best way(s) to steal packs?

>>53390670
Every top decks started as someone's wild idea.

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>>53390586
What? They're not overpriced. If anything, any combination is incredibly fair and adequately priced. You're paying 4 mana for a 4 mana effect, and paying U instead of 1 for the added versatility of a modular spell.

>>53391355
They are obviously overpriced if you compare them to the likes of Fatal Push and Death's Shadow.

>>53391355
I wish dismiss was modern legal. I feel like there's a control deck that just needs a few extra copies of cryptic to break out and dismiss does a good impression of cryptic command. The bounce/tap modes have won me games but 80% of the time you just counter draw

>>53391355
>>53391554
Oh and I forgot Collected Company, 4 mana look at the top 6 of your library pick 2 cards and get up to 6 mana back.

>>53391601
99% of decks don't even play a full playset of Cryptic, I highly doubt that.

>>53391624
UW control plays the full 4. A fully reactive draw go style control deck doesn't really exist in modern (or didn't until UW recently showed up) and three color decks cannot afford to run 4 because of the mana requirements. 8 cryptics could be the gas UB or possibly even mono-u is looking for to not be kitchen table tier dogshit. I'd be willing to brew it and give it a try at least.

>>53391680
Most lists play 2 or 3.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-u-w-control-37169#online

>>53391726
Huh. Lists i looked at in the past ran 4, but all the recent ones I see are on 3. I play 4 and I think it's the best card in the deck.

I still think dismiss be a good addition.

>>53391785
If you think that 4cryptic+Dismiss are a good idea you must be playing in a pretty strange meta without fast aggro or combo.

>>53391554
>>53391624
Fatal Push is fair. 1 mana conditional removal is par for the course.
Death's Shadow requires you to be basically dead before becoming good. And even then, it's just a beater.
CoCo is an unfair card. You pay 4 mana to get 6 mana worth of cards.

So, one fair card, one fair-unfair card depending on how you play it, and one unfair card.

>>53391965
You also have no power over what you hit with coco, so it could be 6 mana, it could be zero.

Most of the time, it's 3 or 4

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>>53392109
>most of the time

But I'll amend my statement. Unfair to Fair depending on what you hit.

CoCo is only busted because of all the combos you can turn over. If you had to actually attack with your creatures to win the game it'd be strong but fine.

>>53391822
I play in a meta where people love grindy control and midrange decks, or value decks with combos built in like kiki-chord. And even against the few aggro players it's not hopeless because you just side out what you don't need and bring in more removal. I usually lose g1 to the burn player but blessed alliance and timely reinforcements just win the match on their own game 2 and 3.

Also like 3 tron players at my shop but I somehow manage to keep missing them. I've been really interested to see how the spreading seas/ghost quarter package works against them but it just hasn't happened yet.

>>53384466
hey how would I get started in modern? Do I just find a decklist I like and buy that?

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>Playing?
Affinity, of course.
>Brewing?
Ayy lmao
>Metagame thoughts?
Can't really complain
>Bans/Unbans?
None that I particularly want unless you let me go to magical Christmas land. Wotc might ban something from Storm, because Storm.

>>53392367
Yeah, just netdeck like most people do in this format.
Rogue decks can do okay but most of the time (like with mine) they can struggle a bit.

>>53392367
Don't buy it immediately, proxy it out or play it online a shit ton
Try to play against as many decks as you can, playtesting to see if you like a deck, but only going against a shitty matchup usually leads you to not liking the deck.

I would recommend affinity or burn since they're both fairly easy to pilot and that will allow you to focus on learning your opponents decks more, and then you can start broadening your horizons and fully drop into modern

>>53392367
Pretty much. Make sure to research and playtest the deck before buying it, so you understand what you are getting into and that you actually like it. Some decks sound neat on paper but get boring to a lot of people.

>>53392429
>>53392421
>>53392409
also, I assume if I'm just playing casually with a few friends then I can pretty much just do whatever feels fun? Also, is the modern master draft worth it? 30 bucks seems like a lot for a draft.

>>53392421
Affinity is actually a fairly complex deck to pilot. You can pick it up and win with god-draws, but there's a lot to think about otherwise.

>>53384505
How do you feel about Stake Sisters? Decent finisher or is swinging with huge Pridemates better?

>>53392500
I find affinity a bit like burn in the sense that anyone can pilot it, but not many can pilot it masterfully, you know?
I dunno, I've played affinity quite a bit and find it simple, but that's probably because I knew how it worked already, so it probably isn't the best thing to start on

>>53392498
>I assume if I'm just playing casually with a few friends then I can pretty much just do whatever feels fun?
If that's what your friends are doing too.
>Also, is the modern master draft worth it?
Financially? No.
Enjoyment-wise? Totally subjective.

>>53392529
Burn at the Stake is extremely susceptible to a Deflecting Palm so I really prefer to just hit in with big weenies like Serra/Ajani/Champion most of the time.
BaTS is also too high of a cost for me to care about it .

>>53392498
Masters drafts are always a bit more, but so worth it
Masters sets are so much fun to draft, legitimately some of the most fun I've had playing magic.
Don't expect to come out on top financially, but it's a blast

>>53392557
>anyone can pilot it, but not many can pilot it masterfully, you know
I would agree with that.
>I've played affinity quite a bit and find it simple
It depends on what you are comparing it to. I would say that there are plenty of Modern decks that are simpler.

>>53392500
>play vault skirge or etched champion
>equip cranial plating
>swing for lethal
>maybe hit them with galvanic blast
So complex.

>>53392604
>cycle cards
>cast living end
>swing for lethal

>crack fetches
>play discard
>cast death's shadow
>swing for lethal

>draw cards
>counter spells
>animate colonnade
>swing for lethal

Wew, it's almost like you can make any deck sound simple.

>>53392660
it's true for one of those 3 decks though

>>53392604
>windmill slam lightning bolts
>Get 7 mana. Play Karn.
>Ad Nauseam, accidentally your whole deck

We can do this all day, pal.

>>53392754
The point is that I can make them all sound equally simple, regardless of how complex they actually are to pilot.

>>53392604
interaction xD

>>53392757
To be fair you just named 2 very easy yo play decks and 1 mildly easy to play deck. The only "hard" thing about affinity is knowing what hands to mulligan and what your outs are when you have different lines of play.

Excited to play my new Faeries deck this weekend. I don't have my manlands, and whenever I goldfish, it's pretty noticeable how little reach I have without them.

Should I get UR Storm? I have most of the pieces from other decks, but is it likely to hit a ban?

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Would you bother getting non-chinamen hierarchs if you just go to a small store's FNM to play?

>>53393660
Yes.

>>53393591

If you have the manabase you might as well try, it's the only really expensive thing in the deck

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>>53389091
>still decent
pathetic

>>53393660
You should always try to support your lgs first and buy from there. If that's not viable for whatever reason, fakes would work.

>>53393757

I know. I'm slowly buying the fetches I need to go full bant spirits, but they don't have hierarchs or birds of paradise, so I might as well

>>53384888
Nice trips, but I still don't see this deck working all that well.

4 snaps seems like 1 too many.

Second, have you thought of what this deck would look like with moons main?

>>53387724
Never, wizards honestly doesnt realize banning it was wrong.

>>53392560
>>53392586
thanks for the help, you guys are pretty cool.

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Need some help with my sideboard here before saturday since I'll be playing in GP Copenhagen.
the list is Eternal Skred, but i have a hard time getting the SB

2x Shattering Spree
1x Shatterstorm
3x Molten Rain
3x Dragon's Claw
2x Ricochet Trap
2x Goblin Rabblemaster
1x Whipflare

last one is gonna go, but i dont know whats better.

>>53388043
8th edition not 1oth

>>53393591
doubting it will get a ban, the deck is fine, but its pretty easy to hate out and disrupt

>>53394106
>no batterskull in the board

have fun losing without it

>>53394144
10th holy shit

>>53394106
I really like ratchet bomb
great at killing those death shadow's that get to big for burn spells and gives you a way to interact with enchantments

>>53394220
Batterskull is in the main
Theres quite some flex picks in skred. Im tempted to switch out the Magma Jet and Pyrite for 2x Roast, then put the Pyrite in the SB instead of Whipflare.

>>53394259
Yeah, i hope i get my 2 Ratchet Bombs before friday

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>>53393660
>chinamen
You can do better than that anon.

>>53394106
I like the 2cmc sweeper

Haven't played Skred much, but some good cards to consider:
-Grafdiggers, 1sided, abzan coco is op
-Pithing Needle, having one in the sideboard as monored control can answer a lot of stuff

Been liking dgrids in place of traps, what are your thoughts?

>>53394410
I like it sometimes, but i think i prefer Traps flexibility. I once won a game cus i redirected a Runeflare trap, it was some janky howling mines/fevered visions deck, but i do remember that fondly.

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Would a card like this help to make storm fairer?

>>53394525
No. Storm decks wouldn't run it, and it died nothing to counter storm.

>>53394525
not at all, we'd just main madcap/platinum emperion to survive our own onslaught
Also, if you think storm is that big of a menace, your meta must be weird as fuck

>>53394525
>would a card like this
End your life my man

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Is it worth going Abzan as an elf player? Im currently playing G/B.
The sideboardable silver-bullets are nice in an abzan build but it feels like the deck would lose some of its explosiveness compared to the G/B version.

Thoughts?

>>53394703
Kitaki, Eidolon of Rhetoric, and Rest In Peace are all almost auto-win cards.
Also gives you selfless spirit/burrenton forge-tender for wrath of god/anger of the gods

>>53394703
Not really but maybe

Basically if you have 100$ you can gain a percentage point by running canopy, in which case you may as well run a temple garden, which alongside the few fetches, gets you some white sb options.

Probably like +1.5% but B/G is fine, and also more painfree

>>53390670
There's a grand arquitect aggro deck that someone came up with a few days ago that is really decent.

>>53394875
>few days ago
>he hasn't been memed on by monoUwurmcoils.dec

>>53393951
Not that dude but in decks like these, snap is the wincon. Without the combo in hand you basically go the beatdown route, using counters for tempo, but snapbolt is key to the deck imho

>>53394106
You really need needle

>>53394366

If I wasn't a wageslave, maybe

What do yall think of the new Abzan company combo? I'm looking to make Abzan company but I'm interested in the traditional Melira/Anafenza combo. Does the vizier/druid combo blow it out of the water? Or is it just winning because its new and players arent prepared to deal with it yet

>>53395566
hopefully they ban it, the new combo is ridiculously broken

How good is norin sisters?

>>53395566
It's both, Anon.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sample-coco-druid-maymay/
Rallier is controversial but I like it for the ramp, could just be Ewits though
I like Selfless but could be sideboard
Saffi is waifu and honourable selfless #2

Wincons are usually either Ballista, Rhonas, Menagerie+Redcap or Ana.

>>53394922
Isn't that mono u tron though? The deck I'm talking about plays more like affinity

>>53395566
New Counters Company is better then the old one. It's just way more consistent and requires fewer pieces.

>>53396036
No it used some dinky creatures and vedalken to shit out a wurmcoil/batterskull/whatever really early on and take over a game.

I'm assuming it got some Walking Burrito tech

>>53393834
Brds should be fairly easy to buy even from other players, unless you aim for older versions.

Hierarchs are bitch and a half tho.

>>53395550
then use birds until you can get the real thing senpai. you'll only lose a couple of percentage points

>>53396160
Yes. Along with looter scooter.

what happened to this deck? why did it fall off the face of the earth?

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-pantheon-deck-tech-jeskai-control/

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Would a card like this fix modern?

>>53397178

quality shitpost my friend

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>>53397178
>blocking or blocking or brocking

>>53397046
It's still around, I played against it at a Classic a few weeks ago. In general though, control has been moving towards U/W.

It has the usual problems of control in Modern: namely that Tron eats it for breakfast and BGx can put up a good fight.

>>53387308
Completely fair point, but I guess that's just my thoughts if they had to ban a card based on the percentage of decks that play it in the meta, and from the info I've picked up about it from articles and threads. I guess probably should have just stated that I'd be perfectly fine with no bans as well, though.

>>53389150
Oh yeah, I realize that it shouldn't be unbanned. Most decks would probably have a consistent T3 combo potential, which wouldn't be great for the format, especially since you can't interact with some parts of the combo. I just think it would be cool to play with and could have some interesting shells.

what is the best list for budget stompy? i was just going to use the one mtggoldfish did a year ago but i'm worried that it might be out dated.

>tfw you realized you're a ufag after playing the storm deck

i fucking hate ufags so much but i fucking love casting remand and serum visons. what's wrong with me?

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>>53384466
Why would anyone even play Red? literally any other color can do everything it does, but better.

>>53398235
>those blue lightning bolts

>>53398160
Stompy is a pretty rigid deck. Theres really only one way to build it. I would consider throwing in some Scoozes, and some people throw Dungrove Elders as well. Although Id recommend building something that you can buy on a budget and is upgradeable over time like Mono Green Devotion or Elves.

whats the best deck out of these:

r/g landloss
skred red
w/r nahiri prison

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>>53398293
Well, I mean Char used to be a blue spell

>>53398395
i'm deciding on what to bring to my next fnm, right now thinking r/g > nahiri > skred

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>>53398293
>lightning bolt
>in 2017

Should I transition from death n taxes to tentacle and taxes anons?

>>53398558
Transition to just tentacles.

>>53398395
r/g land destruction looks cool and amonkhet have bring some fresh air for the deck...(glorybringer, heaven//earth)

>>53387666
dryad militant is nice but has funny rulings.

if its killed with lightning bolt, the bolt goes to the graveyard, but if killed with fatal push or PTE, that spell is exiled

>>53398597
You got that backwards anon. Bolt gets exiled because dryad is still in play before state based actions get checked and it dies from damage. Push goes to graveyard because dryad has left the field.

>>53398395
>r/g landloss
Its called Ponza you twat

>>53398713

god i fucking hate retards that use non descriptive deck names, kys my man

r/g land destruction or land loss or whatever you wanna call it is an infinitely better name because it actually describes what the deck does you autistic fuck

I'm building 8Whack as my first Modern deck since I already own most of the cards. How does it stand up in your opinion?

>>53399106
gets fucked by most of the meta

>>53398790

The decks name doesn't have to describe what it does chucklefuck, sometimes it does but sometimes people are unimaginative with names

ponza is a well established name for the archetype. it's like calling dredge "self mill creature reanimator" if you don't know what dredge is. And the next thing you do is click the deck list anyways. Just read, christ

>>53399223

>using dredge as an example for your shitty argument

nice try, dredge is a good name because it's named off the mechanic the deck is based around

try harder next time my dude

>>53399284

Affinity hasn't had any affinity cards in it forever now. It has more Metalcraft now since they cut thoughtcast. Would you rather it be called "artifact synergy aggro"?

>>53399284
Would you rather call Affinity, "Artifact Creature Aggro?"
Would you call Tron, "Urza Land Combo?"

>>53399361
I keep one copy of Thoughtcast in my Affinity list just so I can keep calling it Affinity.

>>53399284
I sure do love 0 drop artifact storm and Nourishing shoal griselbrand reanimator

>>53399361
>>53399402

>calling robots "affinity"

get off this board NOW

>>53399426
>calling it robots
How to spot the toaster fucker

>>53399426
It's always been Affinity.
It will always be Affinity.
Stick your hand in a blender.

>>53399453
>>53399444

t. mad affinity players

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>>53399426
As long as the Master calls it Affinity, so will I.

>>53399426
>>53399453
>>53399478
It's actually called Rock 'em Sock 'em Gobots

>>53398518
And this is why Infect would do so well in the current Meta...

>>53399517
You can still play Infect. Just use Peek instead :p

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>it's a "fun looking deck that costs just as much if not more than a T1 deck" episode

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>>53399361
>affinity
>aggro
wake me up when this meme will die

>>53399625
It's aggro-combo you knob.

>>53399361
I play a full playset of thoughtcasts in my 75
2 in the side 2 in the main. Too often I find that I run out of gas too quick, so the extra card draw really helps. I bring the extra 2 in against decks that run lots of sweepers. I've been experimenting with stupid stuff in the deck lately, like running a playset of Master of Etherium. The deck is surprisingly modular (pun intended) and different combinations of bots does all kinds of fun stuff.

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>>53399716
Try pic related.

Playing Jund deaths shadow with white in the sideboard. What do I use to help my matchup against Urza tron? I threw paths in the side because the meta at my store is aggressive so I think it calls for the extra removal.

>>53399777
Stony Silence.

>>53399788
This.
Stony Silence makes Tron players cry.

>>53399788
>>53399803
Thanks for the info. I'll throw a couple in.

>>53399756
This seems... bad. Too much of a mana investment. Thoughtcast costs 1 and draws 2, this will take 6 mana to get the same investment. Feels really bad.
If I were playing Tron I would definitely consider it though.

>>53399882
You are only really interested in drawing cards when you're in a grindy game. Affinity would much rather have tempo than drawing cards: a draw with multiple copies of Thoughtcast is terrible whereas a draw with Wreckage is fine since it makes mana.

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Knightfall bois ww@?

>>53399829
Shuts your Baubles off, your best bet is Fulminator+ Surgical or Crumble to Dust

>>53400450
I think losing your baubles is a fair trade in exchange for fucking tron shitters.

>>53400450
>>53400495
Especially since you can fire bauble off t1 or t2 before dropping Stony.

Is 1 random Collected Company fine in an aggro deck with 24 creatures that all get hit by it? I have a spare and want to give it some use.

>>53400799
no

>>53400799
What is the deck?

>>53400823
its just mono green stompy, im just looking for possible stuff idk. maybe its too slow at 4 mana?

>>53398790
>there are people with such garbage opinions posting on this very board

>>53400393
>tfw skred is now my highest-tiered deck
never expected this feel tbqh

>>53400393
>10 tier 1 decks
What is going on desu

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Can an avid Blue Moon player post their current list?

>>53401242
>what's going on
Tiers in Modern have never meant all that much.
>>53401250
Go for it. You don't need our permission.

Friendly reminder that I had to give to a Blue Moon player: Darksteel Citadel is still an artifact with Blood Moon in play.

>>53400393
>Jund and g/x tron are tier 3
https://youtu.be/N_lrrq_opng

>>53401299
Just means Jund has transitioned to DSJ and g/x tron has transitioned to Eldrazi Tron.

>>53401292
I think he was asking for a blue moon player to post their list, not asking for permission to post his.

>>53394590

This card is broken beyond all reason, and would instantly make storm t0.

>>53402377
>every spell they cast deals x+1 damage to them where x is their storm count

They would literally never be able to combo off. They would have unholy amounts of mana and cards, but they would die from 20 after only 6 spells.

>>53402602
Because Modern doesn't have ways to protect your life total for a turn...

>>53402626
>let me just add more necessary cards to my 20 card combo

Or they could literally just keep playing how they have. There's no reason for storm to ever want that card, it is terrible when they're behind and a hindrance unless they decide to go three colors for Angel's Grace or strip out part of their deck for a Madcap/Emperion combo.

>>53402626
Legitimately why would they even run that card though? It does nothing to help you. There is zero (0) benefit of running a card that just has shroud and a one-sided effect that pings you whenever you cast an instant or sorcery.

>>53402676
>>53402626
It would be better in a deck that isn't storm. I'd imagine this would make control tier 0. A single bolt could be lethal with this or a fatal push turns into a board wipe.

>>53402731
Someone would need to actually test it, but I would imagine that it would enable you to go off faster at the expense of consistency. Your rituals and card draw / tutors would all have storm.

>>53402676
>>53402731
That card plus angel's grace would just be a better version of ad nauseam. Playing the new card then just serum visions, slight of hands, manamorphose will easily find angel's grace.

>modern general is literally humoring custom card morons now

We need those dollar signs back.

>>53402910
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. At least OP is less autistic when they don't.

>>53402852
The real broken thing about that card is what it would do to burn, not your stupid combo, burn would have lethal turn 3 probably regularly. 3 bolts in hand is 18 face damage turn 3

>>53402910
>three hours of no new posts is better than a discussion of what effects a retarded card could have to the modern format
honestly this general could be replaced with a static image of the same 10 people posting the same deck they've been playing, telling some casual that they're in the wrong general, replying to some dude who posted their decklist with >competitive $$$$$$$$ MODERN $$$$$$$$, a chain of comments denouncing tron as absolute cancer, a chain of comments wanting twin unbanned, some guy not understanding why storm tools keep getting banned and instead asking "why not just ban the storm cards," and of course the chain of comments laughing at blue as a color.

a general having extraneous conversations about shit that might not be "competitive" or not does literally nothing to change the majority of the content of the general

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>>53389049
>All of those dumb linear CoCo decks really need a beating

way ahead of u senpai

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wr-death-taxes/

>>53392367

For Modern you should work with an established deck first. Unlike Standard when you play non-rotating formats like Modern(or Legacy/Vintage for that matter) you need to know what the field is like and what to be putting into your deck before you come up with any brews of your own.

Once you have a really good grasp on familiarity with typical cards and sequences in the format you will get a better handle on tuning and brewing.

>>53394703

Abzan Elves is fine. You have the great toolbox answers of a GW build but a powerful way to win outside of the combat step like the GB builds while still packing the speed of both variants.

However the weakness of an Abzan Elves build is that you will simply have a hard time running non-creature SB answer cards in many cases as opposed to the 2 colour versions as said answer cards start to become inconsistent, barring the exception of Creeping Corrosion/Fracturing Gust. Most Elves lists don't run fetches in the 2 colour builds so your removal of choice is usually Dismember in the side in an Abzan shell but if you wish to play removal like Path to Exile you'll have to play a fetch manabase due to your Abzan shell which can slightly weaken your Burn matchup.

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Is Rhox legal in Modern?

>>53404409
It was printed in 10th ed, so yes.

>>53404441
Alright, next question- is there any way to brew a passable deck around or including it? He was my first big stompy guy and he's still my favorite to this day even though the game's passed him by. As nice as Bogles is I feel like he's languished in my binder for far too long and I wanna see about putting something nice together with him.

>>53404467

Well put it this way. Sure you can play Rhox but look at what other cmc 6 green creature cards are in the format and what do they do compared to Rhox.

Like right now Rhox has to compare to Primeval Titan and Primeval Titan completely outclasses Rhox.

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>>53389049
>Company Decks
>Linear

Literally what?

Anyway, I've been busy for the past few weeks. Is Druid/Vizier a real thing in CoCo? How does it compare to the Saffi/Rallier/Voice or the Tracker/Courser lists?

Vizier is almost strictly better than Melira, but what do you end up cutting for Druid? My first guess would be Wall of Roots, but they play so damn well with Chord.

>>53404467
You could put a one-of into a green devotion list, it's honestly a good place for pet green cards. Of course the deck is not spectacular with the best build and Rhox is most definitely not in the best build, but if it will work in any deck my money is on green devotion.

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>>53404530
>>53404640
Alas. I was hoping the supertrample might have some wacky interaction I'd missed given how rare it is... well, he's still my boy. At least the binder is comfy...

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>>53394703
With Elves it's best to keep the deck as simple and streamlined as possible. GW is better in an unknown meta while GB is the faster deck.

>>53394839
Auto-win cards against their respective decks, but in the current DSJ meta kinda lackluster.

Personally I'm sticking to the GB build for now. More consistant, more proactive SB and faster as Shaman of the Pack can snipe a win more easily in this meta.

>>53404783
The issue is that it's a 6 mana creature that doesn't do anything spectacular on its own or anything the turn it drops in a format where you want to win, or have the game locked down, on turn 4. The thorn elemental effect it has just doesn't do enough.

>>53402602

Read the storm mechanic again boi. Storm copies aren't cast. After losing 7 life, casting at least one cantrip that ended up drawing you 20 cards, you could cast a simple lightning bolt for 21. The funny part if anything would be how it makes normal storm cards obsolete

>>53405481
You don't have to cast the copies for them to deal damage to you, the card literally adds "this spell deals 1 damage to you" to the spell's effect, meaning that when you get the storm copies they all have that effect as well.

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>My shitty budget deck manages to beat way more expensive ones because nobody is expecting it.

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>>53405730

>essentialy 8whack with goblin guides and atarka's command

no shit you're beating people

>>53405730
>fastlands, fetches, shocks, atarkas command and guides
>budget

You are playing an expensive version of a budget deck. At this point you might as well play tier 1 burn.

>>53404625
they literally play 1 interactive card(fiend hunter), even burn is more interactive

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-counters-company#online

>>53406016
interactivity =/= linearity

Is ebay a safe place to buy decks from or do I have to fear chinese fakes? Is there anywhere to find people selling decks cheaper than just building it on TCG?

>>53406084
As loathe as I am to say this, the customer is king with things like Paypal so if they fuck you you can fuck up their store.

I don't use eBay anymore because I can't give a fuck about fighting people over bidding or the sellers simply artificially bumping up the bids. But it seems reliable from a theoretical standpoint.

Personally I'd just buy it from the retailers. TCG is good depending on the shipping situation. I like Card Kingdom personally but that has more to do with the fact I hate ChannelFireball and Starcity. Not that CFB or SCG are bad stores - they're quite excellent, it's just that they've done nothing to help bring prices down. Then again, neither has Card Kingdom but they're not jerking themselves off with a pile of useless pros.

I'd avoid Troll and Toad. They've been scumbags for years.

The Rock is a fucking dumb name for Jund.

>>53406058
just because rng doesn't spit out the same hand every time doesn't make it not-linear, that's just playing a card game

>>53407193
Maybe you should learn what words mean before you spout stupid shit

>>53407220
just because the inherent random nature of playing a cardgame produces a range of possible starting positions doesn't make it non-linear as a deck, it just means you're playing a cardgame

>>53407273
Perhaps you could give an argument for why it is linear, rather than arguments for why it isn't not?

>>53407303
Devoted Druid (which I guess is the new Abzan CoCo?) are built to slam creatures every turn. You slam dudes, you slam more dudes, you play spells that help you slam more dudes, and at the end you either combo off with your dudes, or beat down with your sides. Not to say it doesn't have decision making, but it's a very linear deck. There's Not much variation from the intended game plan. Sure, you can choose which dudes you play or Chord for the dudes you want, but the basic line of play is always, "Play Dudes."

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Newfag here, is magic online good for figuring out how things work?

>>53407702
xMage. Don't get jew'd.

>>53407510
UW Control (whicih I guess is the new Jeskai Control?) are built to answer threats every turn. You answer threats, you answer more threats, you play creatures that help you answer more threats and at the end you either beat down with your lands or you beat down with your dudes. Not to say it doesn't have decision making, but it's a very linear deck. There's Not much variation from the intended game plan. Sure, you can choose which answers you play or Snapcaster back the spells you want, but the basic line of play is always, "Answer Threats."

There, I made every deck ever sound linear.

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>>53400393

>all those people who belittled elves two months ago
>they even claimed that elves get outclassed by merfolk and bant spirits

>>53407832
>forcedelf.jpg

Go away.

>>53399361
>>53399417
>>53399426
>>53399453
>>53399510

I'm still partial to Tin Man All-Star Band.

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>>53407852

no.

>>53407814
Oh my gosh, I've been memed! Whatever will I do?

Look, bud, when a deck involves the same thing and sticks to the same lines, that's linear. Decks like UW Control are non-linear: they have to know which cards to bring, how and when to use them, and the deck severely punishes lose play.

Also, guess what, a lot of Modern decks are linear. Holy crap, isn't that amazing?

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Hey what's up you fucking stupid faggots, been out for a while DOMINATING stupid little bitches like you with my Modern Cure deck, also known as devoted vizier. Just wanted to let all you faggots who said it was shit or all you faggots who doubted it can suck my balls. Please do suck my fucking salty balls. You're all so fucking mad and you're all so fucking stupid and gay. Who was right? Tell me? Say it. Yeah that's right, you're all shit at mtg and I was right, yet again. Stupid little faggots, please go die lmao.

>>53407832
Is it time to build a budget elves deck?

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>>53408839
i haven't dropped a match to that deck yet. i've got too many off-switches for your janky rube goldberg combo.

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I don't get Eidolon of the Great Revel in Burn. Obviously it's to punish your opponent, but it also punishes you. Is the point that when you are hitting your opponent with Burn Spells and efficient creatures already, the extra 2 damage isn't going to hurt you that much while it will pile up on them?

>>53409197
Yep

>>53407702
It forces you to know the rules and you can always find people to play, but you actually have to own your cards.

If you have friends who play the game irl talk to them about proxying up some competitive decks.

>>53409197
You've answered your own question. Watch some competitive burn games and see how much damage Eidolon does. If it gets one trigger and one attack in, that's a Boros Charm for RR, and it often does a lot more than that. It's one of the best cards in the deck for sure.

>>53407832
Meta was different then senpai but keep posting smug elves

>>53409197
it's so good it's stupid. burn is usually just ~3-5 damage away from killing someone after vomiting their hand out on them, eidolon just gets there for free if your opponent doesn't immediately throw removal at it and take 2. if you slam it on turn 2 vs storm they might as well just scoop it up.

>>53407702
>>53409413
It's more that it forces you to follow the rules. There are things that mtgo will automate that you need to know for paper.

>Playing
Spirits. I've done some tweaking of Caleb's Milwaukee list: cut a Breeding Pool, 4th Path is main, no Steel of the Memehead. Right now I'm testing Metallic Mimic and it's pretty good.

>Brewing
Esper Delver Shadow, because Stubborn Denial is sweet and Orzhov Charm is very sweet.

>Metagame
The only decks that feel truly degenerate are the Tron/Eldrazi variants. Otherwise I like the field a lot.

>Bans/Unbans
I am in favor of a one year period of NBL so we can actually get some real data. We have nothing but assumptions to go on except for the few NBL events, and those are insufficient to draw any conclusions about what's actually degenerate for the format.

>>53405730
Imagine to be this retarded

>>53410029
>let the format be broken for a year on purpose
People actually like to play you know?

>>53410130
...and?

Nobody knows fuckall about cards on the banlist. Bitterblossom was banned at the format's inception. Man, faeries not letting anyone play Magic out here, right?

Thoughts on GR Ponza? Do you play the madcap combo or not?

>>53410172
>driving players away in order to gather data
sounds like a plan

>>53410181
I don't personally play the deck but I've played a lot against it. Imo, you definitely want the Madcap package, it makes you more resilient to more of the field, diversifies your threats, and buys you tons of time.

>>53410172
This is why you do targeted unbannings of cards that might not be broken.

>>53408292
i don't know man, the arguments you're presenting make UW controls sound equally linear/non-linear to chord decks. i'd argue that the sole fact that there is a combo plan in addition to the aggro plan is enough to nudge it into the nonlinear side. just because their decisions all revolve around creatures doesn't mean they are narrower than decisions a spell-based deck makes and to say "play dudes" is a line of play is as reductive as saying "answer threats" is a line

>>53410275
Might not be broken based on what? Human assumptions about what seems okay? That's the problem. You aren't being scientific about it if you make those decisions based on feelings or public opinion.

>>53410331
>based on what?
Small scale testing.

>>53407181
The Rock isn't jund. The Rock is an old name for BG midrange, but some old fogeys like to pretend they're the same so they can have an esoteric name to call the deck and weed out newbies.

>>53410436
They are very simular decks, I would say if you needed a phrase that described both, you would say rock, not BGx.

>>53410681
They're similar but they aren't the same deck, you should never need to refer to both of them.

>>53386225
What split cards are you running in the main and in the sideboard?


I think rise//fall would be cute.

>>53409197
>Tick tock goes the clock.

>>53410723
What's the difference. I'm staring at two lists, one marked Jund and one Rock and they're card-identity identical.

>>53411040
Jund has red in it, The Rock is just straight up BG.

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>>53411062
then top8 is more retarded than usual

>>53387724
Hopefully soon.

>>53411125
Top 8 is definitely pants on head about naming.

When is the next update to the banlist?

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>>53384466
>Playing?
Affinity
>Brewing?
Pic related, Bant Eternal Command. Needs work/advice, mana base I haven't even looked at yet.
>Metagame thoughts?
It's fine where it is honestly
>Bans/Unbans?
Maybe a test Twin unban like they did for Grave Troll

>>53411593
aether vial deck with 14 creatures seems pretty sketchy, any matches with this?

>>53384466
>Playing
Hatebears because I like Voice of Resurgence but hate winning.

>Brewing?
Nothing. I've got all I care to play right now.

>Meta
It's fine I guess. I just wish Blue was playable outside of Cryptic Command.dec so we could see some new decks. Nothing wrong with Cryptic Command.dec it's just old.

>Bans/Unbans
idfk stoneforge and jace and bloodbraid to really fuck with the format

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>>53411686
Not yet, this is just putting my thoughts on paper. Besides, normal eternal command lists run about as many creatures, including the one that almost won a tournament

>>53411688
Could always just start playing Knightfall.

>>53411741
But he hates winning anon.

>>53411734
5+ year old list is also sketchy, but I do love me some Cryptic Command. I like the 4 Snaps, are you playing 2 for reasons other than budget?

>>53411741
Does Knightfall run Voice?

>>53411734
you should be basing it off of the list that won the Face to Face tourny recently not the 5 y/o Shota list imo

>>53411835
you usually run 2-3 Voice in Knightfall

>>53411822
Ive considered moving it to 3 Snaps but I like 2 because of Reflector Mage (which I need to test) and Resto, which is just value with the rest of the creatures.

>>53411842
I'm not basing it of Shota's list, just used to show that anon
Which tourney F2F tourney had an eternal command list?

>>53411879
http://manadeprived.com/caleb-keung-wins-toronto-open-eternal-command/

>>53411855
Well shit I didn't know that maybe I'll give it a try.

>>53411913
Looks good, similar to the lists that have been popping up on mtgsalvation recently. I love me some RUG, will try this out at some point at FNM. I'll also try using this more as a base. Thanks.

>IF, and only if, SFM got banned, aside from Batterskull what other equipment would you guys run? I know legacy DnT only runs jitte, Batterskull and fire and ice, but would you run something like feast and famine to shore up not having jitte?

>>53412455
I don't know why I greentexted that

>>53412455
basilisk collar is probably the only decent equipment for modern outside of the swords. depending on the type of deck, mortarpod can be a decent tool. especially in combination with the collar.

What if there was a (maybe better) coco for equipments?

>>53412732

It'd need to get 3-mana artifacts so it could get swords. Otherwise, I wouldn't really see the point

>>53410782
I think you replied to the wrong anon. I'm on a the Jund version of Living End, so Rise//Fall, much less any split card (I'm pretty sure, anyways) would be of no use to me.

>>53386225
Do you play archfiend?

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>>53412732
You rang?

>>53414131
Haven't picked any up yet, but I'm planning on testing 1-2 in place of Jungle Weaver

>>53415056

No man like

>2WR, instant
>look at the top 10 cards of your library. you may reveal any number of equipment from among them and put them onto the battlefield equipped to target creature you control. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

>>53417101
like, top 4 cards maybe. 10 is insane. and cheating the cast and equip cost both gives you way more effective value than something comparable like coco

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>>53417101
That would be completely broken. That's better than SFM

At least try to make it balanced by limiting the number and cmc, like coco does.

>>53417101
Holy fucking shit, this is why /tg/ doesn't work at WotC

>>53417159
What format would this even be good in?
There's no good equipment in standard, the card fizzles to targeted removal in every other format. At best it's a janky equipment boggles deck.

>>53417253
Yeah, that Stoneforge mystic is a terrible card. It does to bolt, path, and push.

>>53417279
You get the equipment to hand with SFM, and it doesn't cost 4. The number of situations where casting a SFM goes bad for you is next to none. Counters and removal shit on that 2WR card giving you a tempo loss and possibly card disadvantage too, and discard hits it hard too because you have to fill your deck with bad equipment to enable it. That 2WR card wouldn't even make a tier deck. I bet you were clamoring for a cherri0s ban too you retard, who cares if the deck auto loses to removal right?

>>53417192

>better than sfm
>big counterable roulette that relies on running a bunch of equipments skewing your deck, risking a bunch in your hand, or a couple big janky payoff equipments, and vulnerable to creature removal

I think the narrowness of the card *almost* offsets the fact that it digs deep, but perhaps top 6 would be reasonable if the payoffs were good enough. Doesn't really matter though, I just mean some sort of card advantage of equipments that's not as easy to use as stoneforge, not necessarily that shit custom card I used as an example

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Ebay $15 off purchase of $75 or more.

Got 2x delta and 4x mire for 77 dollars

PREMEMDAY15 is code

Abzan player here, finally switched to DSJ and I am loving every minute.

Any other GBx bros join the dark side? Whats your impressions/feelings on it?

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Would a plane based off of internet forums ever be a thing wizards considers? Would cards like these be playable for modern?

>>53418599

not even trying to hide the bait anymore

>>53407832

Elves has always been a solid underrated deck. Last two Modern GP's i've been able to go to day 2 with the deck.

>>53418599
>>53397178
>>53394525
>>53364099

>>53364099
>>53364099

(you), now fuck off

Anyone got that picture of all the possible pieces that one guy was considering for a U/R Blitz deck?

>>53408936

>budget Elves

Deck isn't that expensive anyway outside of cards like Horizon Canopy(optional), Cavern of Souls(somewhat required but current metagame can lean away from playing an entire playset). Any other playset of cards for the deck is like $50 USD approximately or below(CoCo, Chord, Heritage Druid). You could piece this deck within 1-2 months if you spent only $100 on required cards every week.

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>>53419162
Hey, you are right on time, this card was inspired by you. Do you think it would see any play in modern?

>>53419283
Kill yourself or take it to the appropriate thread you troglodyte

New rule (or perhaps just a reminder of an old rule): No replying to custom-card fags.

>>53419429

good rule, i can get behind this

Make a new thread cynts it's too much of a pain in the ass when you're phoneposting

>>53421701
You make a new thread when the old one falls off. That's just good manners.

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>>53409004
>that list

Archfiend in Living End? Yes/No?

>>53422630
Don't play Living End, but seems good. 5/4 flying beater that gets value from cycling.

>tfw zombies will never be viable in modern, not even as a tier 4 strategy like 8whack

>tfw wizards banned the wrong eldrazi land

>>53423071
>tfw people still spreading this meme

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>>53422981
>tfw

>>53423071
wizards should ban all lands that produce more than 1 mana

>>53423329
"no"

>>53423329
That'd just reduce the number of viable decks by at least 40%.

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I'm playing bant spirits and considering putting this guy in the sideboard against U tron

Eldrazi tron is going to fuck me up anyways, right?

Anyone heading to Copenhagen? Playing Dredge with Leylines in the board, can't be arsed to lose to Storm, Living End and mirror.

>>53409004
>no 3-4x eidolon
goddamnit senpai

>>53422630
2 Archfiends
Currently is almost a must, since it hit a lot of decks (Dredge, Affinity, CoCo (when Melita isn't on the board), etc).
If you want I can give you a list.