Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

FIRST FOR SISTERS!!!

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1st for Slaaneshi porn is best porn

>>53353685
This commissar looks way too into that stuff.

>>53353685
>>53353681
Btfo Hahaha praise migthy kek

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>>53353681

UPDATED FUCKING ASPECT WARRIOR AND PHOENIX LORD SCULPTS FUCKING WHEN?!!
WARP SPIDERS ARE LIKE 25 YEARS OLD!

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I'm thinking about splitting the Triumvirate of the Imperium box with a friend. What would be a fair way to split the price?

Retail is $80, and there's five figures. That'd be $16 for each model, but Belisarius Cawl is fucking huge, and Celestine is also larger than her bodyguards or the Inqusitor, so that doesn't seem very evenly split.

>>53353697
look at the time, sisters won cause sisters are at least tg related

On a scale of 1 to the deep sea, how blue are your balls for 8th?

>>53353724
Fucking Mariana Trench M8

>>53353681
>SoB cucks btfo again

>>53353708
I think the most even split is Celestine + posse to one, and Cawl and Greyfax to the other.

Is it a bad idea to play with an allied detachment as a new player? I want to add an Allied detachment of Eldar to my Tau. They are allies of convenience so does this make them weak when played together? Not tier whoring I promise, I just really like both of them.

>>53353698
>that facial expression
she looks slightly confused, like she's in a daze or something and not like someone who's pulling the trigger of a gun, let alone in melee with orks.

>>53353741
Faggot

>>53353698
Her left arm looks dislocated

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Proper Admech heavy assault troops WHEN? These guys could give Mech some really nasty melee lists with a couple buffs.

>>53353750
Why does the 40k community get so assblasted over people playing good armies?

Could a blank become a space marine?

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>>53353741
>Not tier whoring I promise
I hope you get nerfed into the ground harder than tyranids

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Do you guys work hard on making your lords/psykers as unique as possible but also fitting for rest of the army?
Do you prefer canon chapters or making your own stuff?
For me it's "yes" and "latter".

I hope everyone faction gets something for 8th

>>53353806
If by every faction you mean Space Marines and Imperial variants, then yes.

>>53353790
I play nids but I do like to have a general theme for my tyrants and the hive fleet strategy overall. mostly that they prefer to use elite and big monsters for supreme tactical strikes rather than zerg swarming everything, only to then zerg swarm with tervigons on demand also they really like genestealer cults, a weakened planet is the best to nom after all.

I prefer making my own stuff.

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>>53353806
>xeno races getting anything in 8th
the best we can hope for are decent rules

>>53353787
I'm not, I don't really care if both armies were mid tier, I just like Eldar and Tau but don't want to buy+paint 2 whole armies. I don't even have the room for keeping two armies. It's just that I've heard they work quite well together, just not absurdly well like in 6th.
I've looked up the allies of convenience rules and there seems to be some confusion online. Can allied units score?

>>53353806
If you mean models, I hope tyranids don't as we already have tonnes of variety, what we need is decently pointed units and the survivability to make our beasties as fearsome as they are made out to be in the fluff. At the moment the great devourer is reduced to target practice for gunline lists (unless you spam flyrants which is no fun for either side)

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>>53353776
Because you always get assholes that play them in casual environments against people who want to play for fun, not to compete. These end up being cookie cutter as well and get boring as fuck to play against.

I have a competitive legacy deck for MTG but I don't play it against people with kitchen table tier decks, I have separate ones. There is a time and place for everything.

Unknown faction focus and article about transports today, right? What are you guys expecting?

>>53353825
>>53353831
>>53353843
I mean I hope that everyone gets satisfying rules, models updated where needed and gets to have a fun edition

Too long have we been fractured

>>53353863
>>53353806
well thank you kind anon. I wish you were right, but I think you're way too optimistic unfortunately - at least on the model side of things.

>>53353863
You're gay, dumb, and an overall doodoo head.

>>53353900
>You're gay
come on anon, he didn't say anything about Dark Angels

>>53353863
Oh for sure man, it's no fun playing a game when a faction is at a distinct advantage/disadvantage by virtue of who wrote the book and what mood they were in when they wrote it. A balanced 40k whilst retaining unique army flavour (whilst difficult to attain) would be amazing and would draw many players back into the hobby.

>>53353672
Had some second edition orks, collected other armies since then. For years now I've wanted to get some more modern orks and go wild with some conversions and stuff, but the way they got so little support and had such poor crunch for a lot of the army turned me off.

The new rules on combi-weapons, twin-linked, pistols, flamers, the fact boyz will get a save v bolters (even if its a shit one) and the fact a truk or buggy looks like it might be less prone to explode from a single fart all make me wonder if orks might be a bit beefier this edition. Am I right? Is now my time? Should I return to the Waaagh?

>>53353912
Don't push that button, we'll never get the thread back

>>53353930
I think the DA autist finally realized he needs to shut the fuck up after he got BTFO like four consecutive times by the whole thread laughing at him

>>53353929
I think it is safe to say if not now then never will be the right time.

>>53353930
Hello, DA chink! Kill myself, dude.

>>53353930
You think playing Dark Angels is a subtle enough sign or should I wear one of those tacky rainbow bracelets too?

>>53353961
Cock up the arse normally gives it away

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>>53353672
>tfw looking for inspirations for the background of a genestealer cult

>>53353929
Some of the rules definitely look better for greenskinz, but it's not 100% sure yet. Until I see an Ork faction focus showing GW acknowledges the current situation and wants to change things I wouldn't jump in.

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>>53353970
BLESSED BE THIS SANCTIFIED SYMBOL OF THE PHALLUS OF THE LION, ACCEPT HIM INTO THE ANAL CAVITY OF YOUR SOUL MY BROTHERS.

>>53353983
>filename
one explodes with the ship, the second is killed in the shower

>>53353970
That's what I want but I am not there yet

>>53353782
No.

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>>53354001
>one explodes with the ship
But I clearly saw it scuttle away towards the right before the explosion

>>53354007
But what if they BLANK the BLANK of the BLANK, surely that would make the geneseed compatible with BLANK.

>>53353989
That's pretty much the way I'm feeling right now, but I figured someone else might have noticed/heard something I'd missed.

>>53353944
Unfortunately this may also be true.

>>53353782
Unlikely.

For a start, blanks are extremely rare, significantly less than one in a million and there are only about a million marines (not counting primaris).

Space Marine recruitment also tends to select for people who work well in teams, which blanks really don't. Plus there's going to be some degree of passing over blanks simply because the marine recruiters will find them (a) unlikable and (b) forgettable, just like most people do.

In addition any blanks which are discovered and have the genetic potential to withstand the implantation of marine gene-seed wold probably be better used as recruits for the culexus temple. Chapters that know about blanks and are able to identify them would probably rather 'trade' them to the assassins in exchange for favours.

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Hey. Is there any talk about them removing the dumb fucking armor save from 40K and combining it with the damage roll into one roll? It seems so ridiculous to me that you have to make a minimum of three rolls every single time anybody shoots anything.

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>>53353672
>>Your daily duncan
But OP... That's not my daily Duncan...

>>53354064
Nope no word on that.

>>53354064
8th is stirring things up enough as it is they aren't going to do something that drastic

>>53354064
Armor saves are confirmed to stay, and some would argue they're even more important since AP doesn't negate it altogether now

>>53354064
No they are keeping armor saves. AP does work differently but that's about it.

Also some weapons now do dx damage so technically there's even more rolls.

>>53354064
>Is there any talk about them removing the dumb fucking armor save from 40K and combining it with the damage roll into one roll?
nope

>inb4 why?
I remember an article where they explained why the armour save happened after the to eound roll, which is unintuitive thinking about it, the answer was that it provided suspense and a sort of cinematic focus on the events related to it.

I suppose it's the same reason for them being separate rolls.

>>53354088
Mentally the fact that the owner of the model gets to attempt to 'save' his model from death is more fun than your opponent killing it without you being involved. In the same way, the ability of the opponent to rob you of a kill you rolled for also gives a psychological difference which is meant to make it better.

>>53353854
Mostly I'm looking forward to knowing if units can shoot out of transports. Even if my army (guard) will have a way to shoot either way.

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Really hoping that conscripts stay in the game come 8th edition, I want to to have some empire flagellants, some genestealer hybrids with pig iron heads, and going to imperial-up some chaos cultists to represent militias and citizens. These would look very different to my organised chimera mounted vets.

>>53354064
No, they are actually increasing the number of rolls needed to represent how hard something hits.

Before, we had the roll to wound and maybe a save, plus possibly feel-no-pain.

Now we have the roll to wound, almost certainly a save, a roll to determine how many wounds you do and possibly several unique rules to replace feel-no-pain.

Also, blast weapons now roll a dice to decide how many dice they roll to hit.

What's really weird is, they keep producing really elegant boardgames with simple but interesting mechanics. So they obviously have someone in the office who understands game design. They just can't seem to transfer that to the main systems.

>>53354064

>armor saves are dumb
>in a game all about guys wearing power armor

This isn't Flames of War where everyone might as well be wearing T-shirts, anon. Armor saves, since they're taken by the defending player, make you feel like your power-armored dudes actually are tough as nails when you succeed.

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>Da Boss just don't understand me.

Reminder not to let yourself get fat

Thin your body, thin your paints
Lift your models, lift your weights

>>53354122
>Also, blast weapons now roll a dice to decide how many dice they roll to hit.

Surely you're not suggesting that this represents a less elegant mechanic than a blast template?

>>53354101
But you can do that all by simply having the attacker roll to hit and then the defender roll to see if their dude survives.

>>53354114
Seems like a cool idea. I'm gonna use beastmen and catachan bits for mine.

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>>53354114
This sergent, in the middle...

>>53354142

This results in a system with less granularity, though, since armor and toughness now collectively modify the same roll.

Dunno, just doesn't sound 40k to me.

>>53354088
>>53354101

It's so goofy though

>did I hit him?
>did I hurt him?
>but did I really hurt him though?

The second "did I hurt him" is so superfluous and every time I do it I silently ask myself why the fuck do I have to do it. Just make it so that target's armor makes the damage roll harder. You'd cut like an hour of game time if you just got rid of that.

>>53354134
Those aren't the only options. If you want to get rid of templates (and I see why you might) you can easily generate a random number of hits with a fixed number of shots the same as other weapons.

>>53354161
In a d6 system the modifiers would get ridiculous

>>53354161
>Did I hit him?

>Did I hurt him?

>Did I hurt him anywhere that matters?

Cause if you graze him, you still hurt him, just not enough to actually do any damage.

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>>53354130
>Thin your body

>not eating big to get bug

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>>53354156
When I was putting him together I got some koscielny vibes from him, maybe this sergeant is a stereotypical French bloke.

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>>53354114
All wrong, that's The Master.

>>53353841
They work well together because they are the most powerful armies you can play.

That's it.

They don't fill holes in each other's armies or anything complimentary like that. They are both over powered mobile shooting armies.

>>53353841
They can't ally in 8th.

>>53353776
Fragile manbabies try to live out their power fantasies with minimal effort and/or social interaction. They hate any real challenge or even the idea to improve themselves.

Inb4
>dude 40k is shit game! No need to be tryhard!
I'm not the tryhard trying to impose external rules to others just to feel good for myself
>dude epic stories! Your dudes!
Yeah, can't be epic story if you lose, your dudes are perfect, just like in your fanfic. Forge a story of bitter defeat and epic struggle against superior enemy, how will your dudes recover? Why did the let this happen?

>>53354161
>It's so goofy though

It's so people can feel good about their hulking suits of power armor actually letting Their Dudes wade through enemy fire.

This is pretty elementary psychology, anon.

Also, rolling toughness and armor together onto the same D6 roll doesn't leave much room for differentiating tough, but poorly-armored units from well-armored, normal toughness units.

>>53354234
Just squat all armies but space marines

>>53354246
You mean Horus Heresy?

>>53354255
Still has daemons.

>>53354255
And yet heresy players tend to be stuck up snobs all the time

>>53354264
>forgetting the auxilia

>>53354161
You don't do a lot of math, do you?

That would be far too simplified for a d6 based game. You would lose a ridiculous amount of granularity in the crunch for making different weapons effective against different types of targets.

Also
>You'd cut like an hour of game time if you just got rid of that.
Maybe if you're playing with fucking cerebral palsy and it takes you several minutes to pick up and roll your dice. I don't know how the fuck you're going to cut an hour of game time when an average game in 8th is only going to last 40 minutes. Armour saves take up maybe 5% of the total game time unless you're physically handicapped or retarded.

>>53354213
and so it was!

>>53353698

ded in 2 seconds

>>53354275
When I was young I had test on my nerves done

I was way below average but just above the cerebral palsy range

Anything that helps is a blessing

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>>53354267
>>53354264

>Forgetting the Mechanicum, they of the amazing models.

>>53354114
I'm leaning towards them still being a thing. They talked about Heavy Weapon Squads being more useful, so I assume the platoon structure we're used to will still be used. There's no reason to completely reconstruct that.

I use 30 Catachans right now as penal legion Conscripts, but I got some Cultists that I want to add to the blob as hive gangers. So it's a big blob of gang members and prisoners.

>>53354304
that sounds like a great mate, my dudes are supposed to be from a mining planet thats holy as fuck. Hard to get that across in the vet squads.

>>53354126
>he didnt paint his hair blue and make him point his slugger at his own head.

Step it up son

I was thinking about buying a militarum tempestus getting started box because i really like the models. In terms of 7th edition gameplay should I field them with Astra Militarum? Which combinations are fun to play? I'm not looking for min-max stuff, just a solid army.

>>53354345
They get slightly more interesting orders when they are through an allied detachment, but your main detachment is best if it's Guard.

The best role I've found for them is their speed to make up for how slow Guard are. The Start Collecting box comes with a formation called the Hellrain formation and it's really nice.

>>53354064
I agree.

Just fucking roll 2d6. 1-3 is no damage. 4-8 is a glancing blow. 9-12 is full damage.

Any armor dude is wearing is a +x modifier to the roll.

An extremely simple example which can obviously be expanded with extra dice etc.

And people ask why 40k isnt more popular, its this multiple rolling and measuring obsession which does nothing but make it more complicated than it needs to be.

>>53354292
Hurting the quality of the game for the other 99% of players is a stupid move though

I'm sorry anon

>>53354234
LotR SBG armor added to your defence (=toughness). Wounding was more granular with some attacks requiring two rolls to wound, like when a normal man tries to stab Sauron. Rules are abstractio anyway but I never had problems imaging that cave troll or mumakil having high D because they are tough unarmored motherfuckers and knight of gondor because he is armored from head to toes in best plate the city can get.

>>53354345
In 7th they were ok, a better IG but worse SM. In 8th everythingwillwound™, so they might fit in the middle of the fray, not bad nor WAAC-tier.

>>53354275
>Maybe if you're playing with fucking cerebral palsy and it takes you several minutes to pick up and roll your dice

It takes about a minute to make the roll, make the reroll because some of the 16 dice you rolled fell off the table (they always, always do), and check all the results. It wouldn't be a problem if you had to do it once per game, or once per turn, but you have to do it every single turn for every single squad, and those minutes add up. Majority of this game is spent rolling buckets of dice. That is the primary timesink, and anything that reduces the number of rolls makes the game way faster. If there were no rolls, you'd finish every match in 10-15 minutes because all the non-rolling parts take about that much.

>I don't know how the fuck you're going to cut an hour of game time when an average game in 8th is only going to last 40 minutes

That seems like an impossible promise to deliver on unless they drastically reduce the number of rolls made.

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>>53354381
Forgot the pic. Basically things have base D, normal human sized things like humans, orcs and elves had D3, armor add 1, heavy armor adds 2 and shield adds 1.

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>>53354266
Yup.
Brought 40k Rhinos to a game and the guys upper lip curled like a dogs and I realized after he asked if I was actually going to use them that he was genuinely disgusted by them
>It was probably your painting
I'm not a great painter but I do okay I like to think, pic is an old WIP

>>53354415
>40k Rhinos
Man, he was a twat. There were loads of Mars Rhinos around in the Heresy, they're fine and everyone I know who plays Heresy uses them. (Apart from me, but that's because neither of my armies can actually take Rhinos anywhere.)

>>53354377
You know how shitty it feels to be double toughed?
You want that all the time, "ok remove 7 dudes."
if you brainlets can't handle the extra rolls, play memoir 44 or something

>>53354377
>Just fucking roll 2d6.
So.. instead of rolling all your To Wound rolls at once, and then rolling all your armour saves, you want each individual To Wound roll to be rolled out separately and the dice added together and compared to a modifier?

Yes, so much faster. I sure would love rolling 2d6 twenty times every time my guardsmen shoot anything.

>>53354377
how would you pair your dice? Do you have twenty sets of 2d6 with different colors?

>>53354394
>It takes about a minute to make the roll, make the reroll because some of the 16 dice you rolled fell off the table (they always, always do), and check all the results
Stop rolling like a retard, for one thing, and there's no fucking way it takes any competent player a full minute to do this.

The alternatives would either take 6 times longer in the case of this retards suggestion >>53354377

Or they would strip all possible granularity out of the system down to everything being a multiple of 1/6th.

The people who complain about rolling dice in a dice-based tabletop game are so fucking stupid.

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thought i'd share a Luft Huron conversion i'm working on. Making Ekene Dubaku of the Celestial Lions. the rotary gun isn't in lore but fuck it, rule of cool here.

unsure where or how to fit in the black templar Sword Brethern cape and ork skull

>>53354415
loving that metallic red. what brand?

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>>53354213
Can't be, he's missing his other etheric beam locators.

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>>53353790
I do that with all of my dudes. Which is why my army will likely be forever WIP

>>53354394
>It takes about a minute to make the roll, make the reroll because some of the 16 dice you rolled fell off the table (they always, always do), and check all the results.
bull
shit

>>53354394
>If there were no rolls, you'd finish every match in 10-15 minutes because all the non-rolling parts take about that much.
What. The. Fuck. Game. Are you faggots playing?

90% of 40k is the measuring and moving shit around, and then consulting the 12 different rulebooks and supplements you need to handle all the bloated shit in the current system.

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>>53354473
Fuck yeah, rotor cannons are the best

It's Tamiya clear red

>>53354368

Thanks. So I should consider them (not knowing how they'll be with 8th) as an elite choice for an Astra Militarum army?

I think I'll wait for 8th to see if I'll start an Astra Militarum + Militarum Tempestus army...

>>53354505
Say Imperial Guard, anon. Not Astra Militarum. No one says Astartes for space marines.

>>53354517
I say Astartes.

>>53354517

Oh, ok! I only recently started playing. Thanks!

>>53354529
you gay?

>>53354505
Either Elite or Allied Detachment is good in 7th. I would just wait for 8th like you said. In 7th if you didn't want command squads and just wanted normal squads, elite was the better way to go for points. The Hellrain brigade detachment was nice though because it allowed the troop squad to respawn if they were wiped out.

>>53354529
But you suck cocks on a regular basis too.

>>53354544
narh but ur mum is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6c5RZL9Skw

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>>53354485
This is almost everything I've managed to do since I started the army back in february or something (although there's a bunch of stuff that isn't on bases yet)

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my mate got this from his uncle. is this Sanguinius? can anyone identity the model and edition?

>>53354415
I've always wondered but never bothered to find out, how is the metallic red done
I've seen metallic blues that look nice like that too

>>53354571
Looks like converted Artemis from Inquisitor game.

>>53354571
looks pretty converted to me, familia

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>>53354571

>>53354499
>rotary gun equipped sorcerer on a griffon-esque beast

what a time to be alive

Would you play a Rogue Trader video game if it ever came out?

Here's hoping for Land Raider stats as an iconic transport later today.

>>53354345
One advantage of taking some AM is that it gives you somewhere to put the commissar, who isn't really needed when you have the tempestor prime and allows you to use the basic taurox, which looks slightly less retarded.

On the other hand, it means buying some guardsmen, who mostly look pretty terrible. They might be getting updated models soon, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Rules-wise, guard give you a lot more choices to deal with a wide variety of threats, while scions are kind of focused on killing moderately heavy infantry at close range. Vehicles kind of expand that to dealing with light infantry at medium range and light vehicles at long range, but you still have a lot of targets which can give you trouble.

>>53354624
It better be a space opera RPG. But yes.

>>53354590
Metallic base paint of your choice, silver in my case with Tamiya clear red layered over it
>>53354615
Finger's crossed that thousand sons get access to more guns, we're not the best at stabbing
>>53354624
Depends on the type of game, not a fan of resource management games

>>53354626
I'd prefer to see a Trukk actually

>>53354624
The closest we got to that is Sunless Sea I guess

>>53354654
You prefer to see dick over pussy too so I don't think your opinion was ever of any worth.

>>53354654
>>53354626
wondering about the chimera's statline myself

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-nggyu/
What a weird new race. Why didn't they use shit like the Hrud, or made the Squats come back? Shit, they would be better as Tau auxiliaries maybe. Fun rules though

>>53354657
Sunless Sky soon brother. Then we can really rogue trader.

>>53354691
Made me click it. Well done.

>>53354669
I'm a Space Marine player. I just think we've already seen much more for Marines than for any other faction, that's all.

>>53354703
Now google nggyu, idiot

>>53354691
Nice try my dude, they don't release at 3 on the button, try again at 3:15 tomorrow :^)

>>53354639
>>53354545

Cool. I guess this is not the best time for thinking about starting a second army. I'll see how 8th treats IG and Militarum Tempestus and decide!

Thanks a lot for the answers anons

>>53354713
They do some days, but not faction focuses.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/new-warhammer-40000-transports-may21gw-homepage-post-4/
for real now

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/new-warhammer-40000-transports-may21gw-homepage-post-4/

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/new-warhammer-40000-transports-may21gw-homepage-post-4/

>>53354720
>>53354724
>>53354729
Congrats guys, do you feel validation now?

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>>53354720
>>53354724
>>53354729

>For example, a unit disembarking from a Transport is no longer prevented from charging that turn.

> For example, a unit disembarking from a Transport is no longer prevented from charging that turn.
So... we can charge right after disembark now ?

>>53354720
>>53354724
>>53354729
So basically it's just like 5th edition all over again in terms of being able to assault out of a transport that hasn't moved yet. Not what I was hoping for, but I'll take it.

Fucking starweaver. All you 4 harlequin players out there, have fun.

>>53354729
>a vehicle with good WS
Very interesting. Makes sense for something that's got dudes hanging off the sides. Hopefully this is a good sign for DEldar transports.

>>53354729
>For example, a unit disembarking from a Transport is no longer prevented from charging that turn.
oh fug :DDDD

>>53354594
>>53354601
>>53354612
thanks guys

>>53354724
>>53354729

>Models inside a wrecked Transport will now die on the roll of a 1
Where is your god now?

>>53354748
Yes, but you can't disembark after moving the transport. So you can't move the transport up turn 1, disembark, and then charge.

Sounds like Drop Pods will be really good though.

What a wierd example. I would love an Admech transport even more now I could probably fit two units in there, and not getting movement the turn you charge isn't a problem for shooty medium infantry.

I hope they don't dramatically nerf Haywire, since if I'm dealing with Rhino Rush Bangles again I'm going to need it. Fun new dynamic, though. I'm a fan.

>>53354762
>buff to Orks, nerf to stronger armies
I love it.

>>53354762
as an elysian: i like those odds
guessing it'll be worse for flyers tho

>>53354765
>admech transport
>tfw i just got a macrocarid in the mail

8th edition with Fires Over w/e book is going to be amazing

>>53354485
That is one sick-ass contempter. Good job anon.

>>53354778
>Crash and burn result for a fully loaded valkyrie
>2 guys die and the rest stand up and charge the enemy position
Ha

>>53354499
the melee weapon would look better as a halberd or lance, short blade on a "horse"back makes little sense
besides that it's perfect

What was the starweaver's stats in 7E for comparison?

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>>53354729

>especially now that multiple units can share a single Transport up to its capacity.

Oh boy, even more shenanigans available for the scum of the earth that like to play, 'I don't have to tell you whats in which transport'

>>53354800
So true. especially if we get Myrmidons and the Triaros. 3x3 Destructors and a HQ in a Triaros, jump out, unload into three separate squads then charge the bastards with Preferred Enemy Power Fists. Or go with Hoplites and just utterly invalidate any vehicle that dares get close.

>>53354729
>>53354751
As one of those 4 Harlequin players, I'm quite pleased
It's more resistant then before against bolters (wound it on 5+ instead of 6+, but it has 3 times more wounds than it had HP before, and if they keep the mirage granades it's even better), and since Harlequins are most likely going to have at least 8" of movement it means you can probably park it just far enough from enemy units to avoid things like rapid fire
Than you disembark the Harlequins, make the Starweaver and the Harlequins get nearer and then assault first with the Weaver and then with the Harlies

>>53354820
BA4, 10 on all sides, 2 HP

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>>53354729
>For example, a unit disembarking from a Transport is no longer prevented from charging that turn.

OH BABBY

>>53354831
well they didn't talk about dedicated transports and which units can start in them. If other units have to embark in the first turn it's alright.

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>>53354820

How are THammers different from PFists since initiative is no longer a thing

>>53354762
Well, I preferred 7E because my Chimera were generally glanced to death (to the point that I actually let horde enemies kill my chimera so the assault vets inside could get the charge) but I think it's a fair if overly simplified way to represent jumping out of a burning wreck.
>>53354758
True, but now you can't disembark from the transport after it moves. So a bit of a range decrease from the 6" transport move+6" disembark. Probably worth it for speedy assault armies anyhow.

>>53354839
>>53354857
So I think we can reasonably expect chimeras and Rhinos to be at least T6. Good. I did not want to deal with Tau pulse rifles wounding on 4s!

>>53354806
Planning on magnetizing the arms to use him as either a dread or daemon prince. Just improvised the sculpting as the base plastic contemptor from the calth box is fucking garbage

>>53354859
Maybe the enemy gets a negative to hit modifier after you hit them with it

>>53354720
>Rhino assault spam viable again
>Proteus viable as an assault transport
>the other two non-Stormlord super-heavy transports usable as assault transports
>Ogryns can assault out of a Chimera

I, for one, welcome our not-Spartan overlords.

>>53354870
It could be t5 3+.

>>53354859
maybe TH doesn't have the -1 to hit, or has a 'new' concussive effect

>>53354885
>>Ogryns can assault out of a Chimera

Depends, if you get out too soon, they might get shot to shit because of how slow they are.

>>53354908
Well obviously you drive all the way up and then hop out the next turn. It gives the enemy time to run away or something. Still, with only a 5+ save they might get shot to shit. Since blasts are gone, there's no reason to use Ogryn over Bullgryn unless they really make the Ripper Gun worth it.

>Guilliman gives Primaris technology to the Iorn Hands
>Most can't use it because they're all robo cucks
>Those that can use it don't have any bionics that fit

F-flesh is w-weak.

>>53354831
Don't they? I'm pretty sure that was a rule so people don't just teleport their best units to the most convenient transport.

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>>53354729
good shit

>>53354917
power maul is really good now aswell

>>53354745
>Everything was open topped
>Enjoy your 5" move.

>>53354922
Just shove the brain the new armor and fill that with toasters and shit. It'll be fine.

When does 8th come out?

>>53354885
One catch seems to be you have to disembark before the transport moves. So your opponent at least has a turn to pop the transports before you can charge out of them.

>>53354968
Mauls were always great

>>53354729
Are Nobz in a Naut good yet?

>>53354978
June 17th is the most popular rumour.

>>53354978
July 1st, or there about.

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So, i bought Ahriman from 30k and 40k. And want to make Alpharius army. How i can explain all this shit?

>>53354974
>>Everything was open topped
Except the Orkanauts

>>53354968
Hopefully we don't pay out the ass again to make Bullgryn strong in assault. I worry they will still be 60 points. 45 is too much for what they can do and 60 becomes a huge point sink.

I have this gut feeling that when they said "What if Bullgryn and Rough Riders were scary in assault?" it had nothing to do with the change to the units and everything to do with assault just being a little better. Assaulting out of transports helps with Bullgryn now, and hopefully Priests do something for melee.

>>53355001
They were, but it's nice that they reduce saves some now. On one hand, Marines only get a 4+ against them, but on the other hand, they wound Marines on 3+ instead of 2+ and we might not get Priest melee buffs in 8th.

>>53355018
At this point it all comes down to point costs
But if they're well valued, then yes, YES, there WILL be players uttering the words 'Oh no, not NOBZ IN A NAUT'

>>53354720
>>53354724
>>53354729
>move transport vehicle containing melee unit up to within charge range
>end turn
>opponent moves units away from transport in their turn
>melee unit now out of charge range if they disembark
Melee will be more viable this edition, they said. My fucking arse it is.

>>53355040
>transport is 6 inches away
>enemy walks away 6 inches
>you disembark 6 inches next turn
You're still 6 inches away

>>53355079
>transport with only 6"

>>53355079
Can we charge the opponent then dismembark next turn ?

>>53355106
that's a good question actually

>>53355079
>transport is 10 inches away (setting up 4 inch charge in 7th)
>enemy walks away 6 inches
>you disembark 6 inches next turn
>still need to make 10 inch charge
And before you say "just drive closer", that also makes melee less viable because you may then need an extra turn to get your transports close enough.

>Explodes on passengers changes from a S4 hit to 'die on a 1'
Hope it isn't completely as simple as that, or putting your tooled-up HQ in a transport will be putting him at serious risk of instant save-ignoring death

So given they haven't removed access points, it's usually beneficial to be going backwards at all times in case an opportunity presents itself, or just spin 180 at the start and end of each movement. So you either occasionally stop to do a doughnut or just reverse everywhere.

*Dark Eldar Intensifies*

>>53355139
>>transport is 10 inches away (setting up 4 inch charge in 7th)
>>enemy walks away 6 inches
>>you disembark 6 inches next turn
>>still need to make 10 inch charge

You forgot
>unit moves its X" toward the enemy unit
between the last two

>>53355139
transports will be faster so I don't think it will be a problem

>>53355148
that's why they said 'put valuable shit in your Land Raiders you fucks' at the end anon

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>>53355129
> Charge
> Opponent retreat and can't do shit
> Disembark next turn
> Charge those motherfuckers
Would be pretty sick actually.

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>>53355029
Well, you could start thinning your paints

And we all do things like that.
I colect orks and also bought his 40k model because he is one of my favourite characters

>>53355162
I didn't see any mention of access points, or mentioned in the starweaver profile

>>53355168
Will Landraiders be immune to killing their passengers on death for some reason? Even if its heavily-armoured, the risk is still there

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Okay anons I've returned to bring you the stunning conclusion of Dragonba- i mean my Apocalypse game. The Imperial forces had regrouped to face the remaining Tyranid threat. But the feeling Tyranids spewed more Gaunts onto the field to rush the Imperial lines with Hormagaunts slicing apart Guardsmen and Raveners sending men flying into the air.

I know we don't know anything about them yet, so I know that it's a slightly foolhardy question, however; I bought my first box of Custodes today (I want to run them alongside Primaris for that knightly crusade vibe) but I'm not really sure how to build them

I know we don't know the rules for the weapons, but I don't wanna balls up a £35 box of dudes that take a lot of time and energy to paint - could someone at least give me a guide to how the weapons are used in practice in this edition? I'm sure it probably won't be WILDLY different

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>>53355212
And the giant Lictor looking thing charged the the Space Marines and their warlord eager to gain glory brought the beast almost to it's knees with it barely surviving their brutal assault but the Deathleaper waited eagerly for it's chance to strike and decapitate their command literally.

>>53355148
Better save your command reroll for it then if you are scared your marine mcmarineson will get his head squeezed between exploding engine and hull.

>>53355189
Smithers and Burns should be Malcador and the Emperor.

>>53355183
you forgot the part where after your opponent's unit retreats, all their army shoot at your transport, destroying it, and killing your warboss and 2 MANZ on a strike of unlucky rolls

>>53355190
>Even if its heavily-armoured, the risk is still there
Then he can walk.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-tyranids/

Nids is up!

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>>53355298
>I’d be remiss if I didn’t start out with my all time favourite Tyranid unit: the Swarmlord. He is an absolute beast now, as he should be! With a Toughness value of 6, 12 Wounds, a 3+ save and a 5+ invulnerable save (increased to a 4+ invulnerable save in melee) he is not easily taken down. This can be further enhanced by casting Catalyst on him (and did I mention he’s a potent Psyker, too?) to give him a 5+ save vs Wounds suffered.

>>53355298
>And Synapse, hmm, what type of benefit does that provide? Nothing less than immunity to morale for friendly Tyranids units within range. Bring on the hordes of little gribblies!

Nice.

>>53355298
Nids now immune to Morale entirely, as is right and proper. Makes me wonder what they were on about with "making armies more susceptible" but I suppose Nids were a strong example of outright fearlessness.

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>>53355249
The eager conscripts marched forward to engage in close combat the words of the Preacher that they would live forever besides the Emperor still on their minds. The armored units of the Guard fired into the Tyranid lines warriors being turned to bloody messes by battle cannon fire. A Venomthrope eating a Vanquisher round to the face as the Executioners bathed the Carnifex behind in plasma fire.

>>53355286
I'm not even an Orkfag, and for that matter I would have some unit deep strike behind them so... who knows.

>>53355298
Sounds like hitting on 2+ is going to become the standard for every big-name melee-master

>Genestealers move 8", advance D6, get told to move 8 again and THEN charge 2D6
>Gaunts in synapse ignore morale
Well that's THAT horde-army's defence against morale-casualties. Hope the boyz get something on the same page..

>>53355286
As the orks woudl say it
"woa, dey zogged Snaggs and is snazzlads!"
"But den e' wuz alwayes a git, ere comes da next dozen trukks!"

>>53355354
You cannot advance and charge in the same turn

>>53355298
So does Swarmlord move 9 inches?

>>53355354

Mob rule, more boyz, you lose less. I'd guess.

>>53355298
>pyrovore got a huge buff
Well, I'll be damned.

>>53355370
The article states that Genestealers will be able to charge after Advancing

>>53355298
Remember when we jokingly predicted that tyranid HQ's would be just slightly above the wound threshold for being shot at with heavy weapons?

How we laughed.

>>53355370
Genestealers can now.

>>53355298
Sounds good for you girls, let's hope The Crud didn't crank up those point costs too high. Now I'll just wait and see what you nidfags are going to complain about next.

>>53355313
>>53355313
But it’s not just defence, oh no, Mr. Swarmlord brings the pain in combat as well. With a base of Strength of 7, 8 attacks, hitting on a 2+, with an AP value of -3 and D6 damage a pop, the Swarmlord can lay low even Titanic units in a single round of combat. Truly a fearsome adversary.

>>53355374
Yes

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>>53355334
Then a mass of bayonets met the Tyranids in hand to hand combat. And even though they lost a few of their number they easily slaughtered them in melee.

>>53355298
>And lastly, just because I can’t help myself: I think Pyrovores may be one of the most improved units in the new edition, and a unit of them in a Tyrannocyte has won me many a game!

The fuck did they do?

>>53355390
Hopefully Tyrant Guard will be good for their cost
Shit like Lascannons will D6 them, but at least will only wound on 3+ instead of the almost-assured 2+

>>53355298
Swarmlord at full power does 7 attacks, hitting on 2+, wounding most things on 3+ or 4+, guts most saves down to 6+ and does d6 damage. It almost kills a knight in one round. That thing is crazy if it hits combat.

>>53355298
>Moev 18inches
>assult a knight
>go first, remove all 24 wounds in one turn
Is the swarmlord the new Fabius Bile?

>>53355257
That would be perfet lol

>>53355392
>Now I'll just wait and see what you nidfags are going to complain about next
I can't find the right silicone toy to simulate a hive tyrant

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>>53355298
>Swarmlord can kill 4 Russes in one turn
>Swarmlord can kill 2 Knights in one turn

CRUDDANCE, I'M COMING FOR YOU, I'M GOING TO RAM MY TITANIC BUG COCK RIGHT DOWN YOUR BANEBLADES TURRET

>>53355425
Now it needs a psychic power that scares nearby units, psychic shriek?

>>53355298
Bit disappointed that warriors are still only T4 3W, but the rest seems interesting. I am a bit worried that so many of the movement tricks involved the swarmlord's special ability, as I prefer not to use special characters. Hopefully generic tyrants will still be able to buff the army as well.

>>53355457

Yeah but at T4 you need to be S8 to wound them on a 2 which makes them less vulnerable to things like Scatbikes.

>>53355457
With ID gone warriors should fare a lot better

>>53355470
And that S8 doesn't pop them in one go by default either

>>53355457
Also shit like lascannon one-shots them only 2/3 of the time.

>>53355470
Scta bikes still wound on 3's, and hit on threes. Its takes a shade over 1 scatter laser to kill a warrior

I'm really pleased with the transport rules overall. Having to sit a turn is a bit of a concern but given the statline for a Starweaver I'm not worried (takes about 28 3+ S6 shots to kill it one turn).

>>53355486
We have it's stats?

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>>53355425
>Not assaulting out of a Tyrannocyte
You lack vision

>>53355486

Better than being wounded on 2s - also when did they post the stats for a scatter laser?

>>53355500
He's assuming based on the current stats.

>>53355374
he moves 9" while he has 7 wounds or mire, 7" when he has between 4 and 6 wounds, and 5" when he has 3 wounds or less remaining
His attacks decrease in the same way, from 7 S8 attacks to 5 S6 attacks

>>53355486
4 shots, 2,667 hits (bs 3+), 1,777 wounds, 0,888-1,185 after saves assuming 4+ save and ap 0 or -1. It takes about 3 scatlasers to kill a single warrior. And that doesn't factor in shit like cover or catalyst

>>53355500
>>53355492
I am making assumption, but i am assuming st6, ap0, 4 shots D1

>>53355236
Posted this at exactly the wrong time didn't I?

Any ideas?

Are nids, dare I say, back?

>>53355523
fuck, for some reason my bran translated 3 bikes into 3 shots, or one gun
i am tired

>>53355537

They look promising based on today's article. I'll be excited to see what tervigons do.

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>Units now disembark at the start of the Movement phase, before the Transport moves, but can then move, shoot and fight normally in that turn. This opens up loads of tactical options for both shooting and combat themed armies...

What 'tactical options' does that open up? It's a simple downgrade from how it worked before. The only advantages are for imperials, tau and eldar, who can now assault from their transports, giving them even more opportunities to prevent orks getting the charge.

Why did I let myself believe they were going to change?

>>53355535
It WILL be wildly diffrent.wait 3 weeks

>>53355537
We'll have to see point values to know
These nice things could all be ludicrously over-valued

>>53355488
I think having to disembark before the vehicle moves is a tradeoff for being able to charge out of any vehicle there is.

Personally a fan of the way wrecked vehicles are now just as punishing for elite units as for things like ork boyz.

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>>53355537
Would be really shame if instinctive behaviour would fuck your shit up. Or being overcosted. Who knows what the hive mind has in store for us.

>>53355548
No.

>>53355548
Your open topped vehicles will be faster and tougher.

You'll see, even Nids got buffed, Orks will too.

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I, for one, welcome our horde army overlords

>>53355561
It means that I will never put an hq into a transport short of a landraider, personally

1/6 to be removed from the game

>>53355566
Out of Synapse range makes you vulnerable to morale, that's it.

>>53355548
Its good for Orks that transports don't have to be flimsy and easily-popped just for their occupants to charge when they hop out AND exploding won't gib half of a unit of boyz riding inside

>>53353706
They don't need to be updated because they're old you fucking cretinous pleb, they're beautiful sculpts that would only be made worse by a pointless update. All attempts to redesign aspect warriors has come up with garbage.

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>>53355395
Seeing their Tervigon threatened by Rough Riders and Space Marines bringing down one of it's monsters the Hivemind rallies their forces to join the combat. Focusing mostly on the forces of Raynus (he's a massive asshole) they tore apart his lines with their shooting Deathleaper and a Carnifex moving to engage his warlord. The Tervigon died as it's brain was fried from the struggle of channeling the Hiveminds power leaving the Riders free. But as the Carnifexes charged into combat the battle ended in a draw. I hope you enjoyed this one /tg/ i managed to get a full game in and get all of my models fully based and painted before it too. It was a lot of fun.

>>53353741
I wish I could sage your life but I assume reality has beaten me to it

>>53355548

You do understand your Truck is going to be more durable, that it exploding is less dangerous for you now, and that you can use it to absorb OW for your boyz right?

Is 'I think <unit> may be one of the most improved units in the new edition' a new GW catchphrase?

>>53355212
holy shti those tyranid swarms look beautiful

>>53355585

They're shitty fucking finecast sculpts at this point, have 0 customization, and are boring as fuck. Just because you like ancient ass models doesn't mean we all do.

>>53355600
My guess would be T5 4+, 8-10 wounds, based on the elf one

>>53355600
You have some high hopes from our ork players mental capacity.

>>53355615

I'm in the same range as you but I think it'll go T6.

>>53355611
Beautifully mobbed-up for plates, which that Guard player doesn't look short for

>>53355600
>Special Rule Keep on Trukkin'
>When this model loses its last wound roll a d6, on a 6+ it immediately gains 1 wound and acts as normal

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Correct me if I'm wrong. With what we know of 8th so far, is this true:

Assault squad in a drop pod. Drop the pod and shuffle the assault marines out at the beginning of the move phase (9" away). The assault marines move 6" towards whatever enemy, then fire flamers and whatever in the shooting phase, and they only need a 3" charge going into the assault phase. Is that right?

>>53355647

I don't quite think so because I doubt you'll be able to move after disembarking from it. I'm making that judgement from the Trygon's wording as well as the way it works in AoS for similar mechanics.

>>53355647
9" is usual range. For drop pods it may be different

>>53355647
From what we have seen with the Trygon special rule is that the disembarking unit also has to stay more then 9'' away from enemy units.

>>53355629

Why? a trukk is 10/10/10, no reason for T6.
what you mean is you WANT it to be T6

>>53355577
>Your open topped vehicles will be faster and tougher.
>>53355600
>You do understand your Truck is going to be more durable...
Based on what? The gorkanaut takes about nine lascannon hits to kill in 7th and the same in 8th. The leman russ and the space marine dread are both more vulnerable to anti-tank weapons and are able to be damaged by small arms now. Vehicles don't seem any more durable overall.

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ANON YOU LIED
SKREEEEEEEEE

>>53355029
If that Ahriman didn't cost you $3.50 you fucked up.
If it did- then who cares. Just buy an Alpharius.

>>53355685

I doubt current value plays into it at all. Ork Trucks are - in the fluff - fairly durable pieces of machinery. That said I think they'll end up with a 5+ save instead of a 4+.

>>53355692

Based on the Starweaver profile. I think its safe to assume that if the space elf paper vehicle takes 28 S6-9 shots to kill then a truck will be in the same neighborhood. Also your Gorkanaut math still requires 13 Lascannon shots and assumes average damage rolls (roughly a 58% chance of a 7 on two dice).

Starweaver was a fast skimmer before, right? So it's maximum move was 30" per turn (12" cruising and 18" flat out). Now it goes 16+D6"

How are people predicting that ork trukks are going to be faster than that?

>>53355711
Silly girl, you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.

>>53355756

No one has suggested it is going to be faster, everyone has suggested it is going to be more durable.

>>53355647
In the recent Q&A they mentioned drop pods and that neither the pod or the unit in it can get within 9" on deployment. And remember, more than 9", even 9.00001 means you have to roll a 9 to get within 1"

>>53355668
The new transport article says a model disembarking from a transport gets to move normally now.

>>53355674
The math all works out to only needing roll a 3" charge is the point.

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All I want now is for Nids to have at least two models that have a higher toughness than T6.

>>53355752
They cost 2$ each for me
>>53355777
I mean, it can be even 20 for droppods and noone can say it before GW release a rulebook

>>53355777
Trygon thingie said it comes at the end of your movement phase ie. you don't get to move anymore. I'd wager it's the same for pods too.

>>53355777

See >>53355769 - it won't follow normal transport rules.

>>53355756

It isn't faster overall - it is faster and still being useful. Sure a starweaver could move 30" and then nothing inside could do anything. It could move 6" and the units inside disembark and be active. Now it is move 16+D6 and on the next turn you get out and are fully active and it may still move 16" and charge a unit.

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>>53355298
>advance+run: check
>base m8": check
>invulnerable saves for reflexes and psychic fields: check
>close combat beasts hit on 2+: check
>synapses completely negates battleshock: check

I'm a bit preoccupied by the base toughness of stuff, considering the increased killiness of low strength spam, what with the warriors still being t4 w3.

speed seems to be our key to victory now

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>>53355763
>girl
Not every tyranidfag is a grill

I'm a manly man collecting cute plastic pets wielding living weapons of phallic resemblance

>>53355288
8th edition: March of the Deathstars

>>53355804
Can't wait for the pessimist Nid players to show up and tell us exactly why everything we have seen so far is worse for Tyranids than how things are now. That's gonna be a laugh.

>>53355692

You do realize the math has not changed - at all - in regards to a truck's vulnerability to small arms right?

Currently 10 bolters do 1 HP to an Ork Truck (3s to hit, 6s to glance) in 8th (assuming a Truck is T5 with a 4+) they will do 1 wound to a Truck (3s to hit, 5s to wound, 4+ save). The only difference in now the Truck can take anywhere between 6-8 of those instead of 3.

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>>53355769
>And remember, more than 9", even 9.00001 means you have to roll a 9 to get within 1"

>tfw the swarmlord allows an unit to move in the shooting phase

you're not thinking within synapse, man

>>53353698
This will end like one of my Japanese cartoons

>>53355832

Whut? You can't even make a deathstar in 8th. They've already said characters cannot join units.

>>53355855
SHROOMED

>>53355822
Dick or gtfo

>>53355854
>tfw the swarmlord allows an unit to move in the shooting phase
If the range on that ability is any good its going to be bullshit.

>>53355754
>Based on the Starweaver profile. I think its safe to assume that if the space elf paper vehicle takes 28 S6-9 shots to kill then a truck will be in the same neighborhood.
Yeah and based on a wraithknight profile, you would think a gorkanaut would be good in 7th.

>Also your Gorkanaut math still requires 13 Lascannon shots and assumes average damage rolls (roughly a 58% chance of a 7 on two dice).
What's your point? None of that says the naut got better. It stayed about the same and there's no reason to expect other things to improve. I think the best we can hope for at this point is that ork points costs will be reasonable (4 points for a boy, 25 for a trukk and they might be competitive).

>>53355848
The Starweaver went from 2 HP to 6 Wounds and you expect the track to not become more survivable the same way?

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WE IMMUNE TO BATTLESHOCK BOYS. SUCK ON THAT WHINY NID PLAYERS

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>>53355855
Not as much as this

>>53355822
Enjoy your transition.

>>53355859
The rules mean that basically character automatically join any and all units nearby, and provide their benefits to all of them.

What did change is that special rules and buffs no longer stack across different factions. Next edition if Azrael tries to buff a Space Wolf, the SW just gives him the finger instead of listening (as it should be)

>>53355844
I actually do hope they've nerfed flyrants with devourers, they were just silly. But if so, I could see some people who've built 3-4 of the things to moan.

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>>53355903

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>>53355864

>>53355907

There is also the fact that a character cannot tank for a unit anymore which was another key element of deathstar play in 7th. Taking out tank characters and special rule stacking means deathstars don't exist.

>>53355880

Right so you're taking a fully apples to oranges comparison (Wraith Knights introduced mid edition to Gorkanauts introduced at the beginning and then comparing that to possible stat lines in the current edition).

>>53355555
No one gonna check these pents?

>>53355920
I'm assuming they're simply going to remove the option to put 2 different pair of biomorphs on the flyrant

at best the legs will count as a mandatory slot occupied by scytalons

>>53355938
That is lewd

But what about Chapter Master Smashfucker?

>>53355994

What about him?

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>The Swarmlord can kill 4.6 Girlymen a turn

WHERE IS YOUR GOD EMPEROR NOW?

>>53355994
SMASHFUCKER PRIMARIS PRIME

>>53356011
Isn't he kind of a deathstar?

>>53355994
Will probably no longer exist due to changes in how artefacts work or what they are.

>>53355844
No, so far this is all looking excellent, the only thing I'm worried about is Hormagaunts (but that could easily be just because we aren't getting the full rules) since an 8" Mv is actually slower than the 6" + d6+3" Run they have now. If they also get the Advance+charge thing Genestealers have it won't be a problem, or maybe nids will have some army-wide stratagem to further increase speed, or something.

The other concern is that I don't want the fucking Swarmlord of all things to become a must-take because his lore is an abomination. Hopefully regular Tyrants are just as good for their points-cost.

But the synapse being complete immunity to morale is a huge fucking sigh of relief and plenty of other things sound really, really good. At this point I'm 100% confident whatever we're getting is at least better than what we have now.

>>53355766
>No one has suggested it is going to be faster, everyone has suggested it is going to be more durable.
>>53355577
Said it was going to be faster.

'More durable' seems pretty optimistic too. The starweaver is a little better against lascannons and tau missile pods and melta, a little worse against battlecannons. But it's like a 30% boost. Would AV 11 on trukks have saved ork armies in 7th edition? How about trading AV 11 for not being able to disembark after moving? Does that seem like a good deal?

>>53355581
I mean, we probably have like 3 bravery outside synapse, so our units get shredded without it. Still, big improvement.

>>53355901
>When a synapse creature dies, all non-synapse units in range immediately take battleshock on a 2d6

Cruddace your heart out anon, you have no idea what's coming for you.

>>53356024
It also looks like a Swarmlord can 1v1 an Imperial Knight and come out on top.

>>53355901
I fully admit I was too hasty in my whining, assuming that this was always true and GW didn't change it last minute because of the extreme kickback on their facebook page from nid players when the morale rules were first revealed.

>>53356027

No, he is a super tanky character but by himself isn't a deathstar. That said I'd be willing to be you won't see anywhere near the level of interaction between artifacts in such to create things like him going forward.

>>53356035

AV11 would have been a HUGE boost to Orks in 7th. It would have removed them from being able to be wrecked by bolters. I'd gladly have traded a lower assault range with an ObSec transport that requires S5 or higher to damage.

>>53356056
no, he can 1v2 knights and kill both of them in one turn of combat

I actually love it

>>53356034
I would say we probavly have a 1cp stratagem that lets us advance and charge in the same turn.

>>53356076
Genestealers get it default.
Doubt they'd put it in a stratagem if it's a unit rule.

Sounds more like an Orky thing.