Jain Zar

>>53353647
Also, UPDATED FUCKING PHOENIX LORD AND ASPECT WARRIOR SCULPTS FUCKING WHEN?

>>53353647
I didn't even know it was out. The Asurman one was okay but not great, but I hate abandoning a series once I've started it, so I'll end up getting this one sooner rather than later.

>>53353692
Probably never. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Eldar and Dark Eldar are going to be merged into a single Ynnari army in time, with old units like the Aspect Warriors that GW is too lazy to update phased out of the lore.

>>53353647
Maugan Re is next.

You hyped?

>>53353910
Yep. He's the best Phoenix Lord

>>53353811
If gw forces than ynnari bs down our throats I'll be fucking pissed off. Nobody fucking asked for that crap

>>53353910
In part yes, because as >>53353998 says he is the best Pheonix Lord.
On the other hand, in Jain Zar they've already started screwing with his old lore somewhat by having him be raised and live in a library/university type thing in the webway rather than Altansar, and if they can't keep track of what little lore the PLs already have then they could easily ruin what people already liked them for.

>>53353811
Even if they were going to merge them fully, I can't see them ever removing aspect warriors, even if they never update the models. They're way too integral to the identity of the Eldar, may aswell take out wraith constructs and jetbikes if they were going to do that

>>53354253
Yeah, Maugan Ra not being born and raised in Altansar is pretty iffy, though I guess the change makes some sense if they want to make it clear that the Phoenix Lord began right in the aftermath of the fall, before the disparate surviving groups of eldar had made contact with one another.

>>53353692
Calm down child.

>>53354325
NEVER

>>53354295
I wish that there was more lore about the pre fall eldar and of the state eldar were in immediately after the fall. All we have are now the two Phoenix Lord books and small lore snippets here and there, while imperiumfaggots get 20+ books about the horus heresy

>>53354370
Carefull what you wish for. A de-mystified eldar empire might turn out to be not the thing you wanted.

>>53354409
At least having some hints would be nice. Shit like pre-fall relics that amount to more than just fancy fucking swords and spears the eldar already have a metric fuckton.

Bumb

>>53353647
If only Jain Zar looked that good in the tt

>>53353647

Was Nazdreg's crew the Ork threat in the novel?

I think it's mentioned he tried to mine Spirit Stones in the lore, but that Ulthwe repulsed him.

>>53356900
The name of the orks are not mentioned in that novel, but it is very strongly implied that the orks fought in the novel are the ones who will eventually ransack armageddon due to eldar interference redirecting them

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This whole sequence as weird. Why does Khaine desire the death of all the Eldar?

>>53358374
>Why does Khaine desire the death of all the Eldar?

The Eldar were prophesied to destroy the Eldar Pantheon so Khaine wanted to kill them all.

>>53358545
That already happened though. There is no reason to want them dead now. Wouldn't he disappear if they all died?

>>53358374
I don't take it as him wanting them all dead per se, he's just their god of war and murder, naturally his only plans and desires are for them to go to war and kill a lot, regardless of the consequence. That plus the inherent arrogance that almost every Eldar seems to have, multiplied by his status as a god, and the fact he's likely still pissed that they got him broken apart by creating a new god, something he was perfectly willing to wipe out their whole race for when it was prophesied, and hes not exactly going to have their best interests at his molten heart.

>>53358685
>That already happened though.

Not totally.
Khaine was right.
Eldar are scum.

>>53358695
>I don't take it as him wanting them all dead per se

Jain Zar vision showed him yelling in joy and triumph surrounded by burning craftworlds and corpses of the now extinct Eldar race. And then he explodes.

I thought only Chaos Gods are into self destruction. I guess like father like son.

My issue with the novel is it made Eldrad an upstart punk whose motivation is power, fame, and immortality.

Vect is quite based in the novel though.

>>53358870
I'm fine with Eldrad showing those traits since the novel seems to take place pretty early in his career as a farseer, even if it is cliche that the hotheaded prodigy has to learn humility and patience before they really become great.

Although I think that does raise questions as to when the fuck the novel is meant to be set, since Vect being in full control of Commorragh and the Phoenix Lords being well established legends implies it's been some time since the fall, yet Eldrad is described dicking about in the great crusade which ought to have started right after the fall.

>>53359297
You can ask Gav via social media. He is always willing to answer the fans. I remember that he had a long discussion with the fans abut his AoS book.

>>53359297
I didn't see any references to the great crusade. There were scant mentions of imperium in the whole book. I got the feeling that it took place somewhere around 32-34th millennium

>>53357013

I take it Jain Zar had a problem with what Eldrad was doing in that regard?

>>53353647

Do Orkanauts or Stompas appear in the novel at all?

Aside from the Evil Sun Rising novel, I don't think Orknauts appear in the books (except maybe the Beast Arises?). It's like most Meks don't bother with them or either build Killa Kanz and Deff Dreads, or just move right on to looting an Imperial Knight or building a Stompa.

Kinda want to see a fight between a Wraithknight and an Orkanaut in the lore.

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>>53358374
>"Who knows blood better than we do?"

You rang?

>>53358685
GW writing is trash. What do you honestly expect?

>>53358725
>when you are despised by your own gods

>>53361652
Why?
Orkanaut and Wraithknights are just cashgrab ideas to sell big models. They are smaller titans, but not too small! They aren't interesting.

>>53364058

> They are smaller titans

>They aren't interesting.

That in and of itself is kind of interesting to me. They bridge the gap between smaller walkers and titans to me.

Anyone have a link to an .epub/.mobi/.pdf?

>>53363672
>When the lore re-write is that retarded

>>53367854
Khaine hating the Eldar is as old as his first mention in the lore.

>>53367875
Then why doesn't he just kill them after being awoken and join Khorne as a greater demon? It'd be a win win for him; he gets to enjoy bloodshed and he gets to kill who he hates. Khorne is the one who saved him from being killed by Slaanesh. Why didn't he join Khorne's realm when he knew his existence was in danger? What possible reason could he have to repeatedly join with the Eldar unless he identifies with their race?

>>53354177
They're not. There's a reason why Craftworlders and Dark Eldar had separate faction focus articles for 8th edition.

>>53361446
Yep

>>53367976
Because fuck you, khaine does what he wants

>>53358685
>There is no reason to want them dead now
Aside from being broken into pieces and slaved to their purposes?

if anything he should want to kill them all even more

>>53353647

>Let's rob one of the only cool, enigmatic things left in 40k of its mystery and make it really, REALLY boring, retconny and disappointing!

Thanks Gav!

>>53358374
The last time so many paragraphs were written so say absolutely nothing was a two days long filibuster. Jesus, is this the "quality" of 40k writing?

>>53353910
Who the fuck is Maugan Ray?

>>53354177
As someone that's been playing Eldar since 1990 (with 20,000 points and 12 other armies), speak for yourself.

>>53371430
>actually liking the hamfisted ynnari bs with the mary sue oc donut steel dark eldar bitch leading them.

Top pleb

>>53371827
Okay young blood. Speak. For. Your. Own. Shallow. Grasp. Of. The. Fluff.

Stick to your 4chan fluff and others thinking for you. But speak for yourself.

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>>53355849
I've got you covered on that m8

>>53371953
Nice projection dipshit.
I know eldar lore inside out. I never said ynnari break the lore or shit like that.
Ynnari are bs because the execution of them sucks ass, and because Yvraine is a bloody mary sue.

>>53372198
I wish gw would just hire that russian bastard and make him design eldar stuff full time.

>>53372254
If hired, they would put him to design marines full time.

>>53372282
Yeah, sadly.

>>53370296
Personally I found the details about the state of the eldar immediately after the fall quite interesting