Warhammer 40,000 general /40kg/

First for strongholds
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/20/new-warhammer-40000-stronghold-assault-may20gw-homepage-post-4/

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So am I only one who is actually excited about 8th and not assblasted about any changes whatsoever?

ps: finally built the damn thing. Now only 3 more to go.

I actually like Primaris. I might roll an army only of them.

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>>53339453
I've been waiting to return to 40k when they finally balanced, or atleast attempted to, the cluster fuck of power creep and rules they have going on.

I'm skeptically optimistic

>>53339453
Nah i think most of us are pretty happy about it

>>53339439
Wee, so useful

>>53339453
I too am feeling positive. I have my quibbles here and then but I am reserving final judgment for when everything is released.

>>53339453
No, the rest just got tired of dodging poo trying to talk down the hysterical howler-monkeys.

They nerfed Force? Who the hell abuses Force?

>>53339510
Last time I check, GK and their stupid force weapons can do D3 dmg now.

>>53339471
I was skeptically optimistic too but after I saw that Frankie, Reece and other ITC-personel were playtesters my cynicism turned into real childlike hype. I've been reading about Reece saying for years that 40k needs balance. Unit, armies, scenarios. And now he had a strong influence to 8th and how it will unfold as a game.

I'm hyped as balls. There is a real chance that every unit in the game will be playable and at least decent in 8th. Damn.

>>53339510
Are you stupid or really stupid?

>>53339535
Reece needs a good tire iron to the side of the head

>>53339510
Its not a nerf really, just simplifies things. yeah it doesnt even 100% kill 2w models now but atleast it works 100% of time AND against vehicles. Its more of an sidegrade.

>>53339536
Probably just confused.

>>53339536
>>53339530
B-but muh ID

>>53339550
Why, did he beat your girlfriends (boy) gsc army?

>>53339560
They don't cast Force anymore...?

>>53339453
Last poll it was~
20% Hype
45% optimism
20% reservation
15% RUINED 4 EVA BURN Ur ARMYIES

>>53339582
Nope. Just d3 damage. They will probably have their other 2 signature powers, banish and hammerhand.

>>53339453
Been out since 5th, sold all of my armies. I'm so encouraged enough by the rules so far that I'm going to rejoin the hobby with some chadmarines.

>>53339604
But damage doesn't spill, does it?

>>53339453

I can't wait. I mostly played in 4th and 5th, with only a smattering of games in 7th, as the absurd convolution of list construction and special rules put me off the game completely. I've been wanting to dive back in, and 8th looks to be exactly what 40k needed.

I still cannot believe that GW is not only engaging with their community, but is actually employing the competitive scene as playtesters to ensure a more fair and fun playing field. It's honestly mindblowing.

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>>53339406

Does anyone else think GW should combine the Obliterators and Mutilators into a single new unit called Obliterators.

>>53339453
I stopped playing when I moved away from my country, back in 2004. Im cautiously optimistic now, and I might start an SM army.

>>53339604

Hammerhand GKs are going to seriously fuck up vehicles in 8th. It's gonna be good.

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>>53339453
Nidfriend here
I'm exciting if nothing else because the new weapon rules should fix a lot of the garbage guns in the codex, also consolidating into combat should be great.
Also regardless of taking more wounds from guns, wounding our MC on 2+ isn't possible anymore, combined with warriors not being instantly popped by S8 weapons.

I do fear that the hive tyrant is gonna get nerfed because every nid player and their mother has like 2-3+ of them by now.

Also Venom cannons without the tiny blast template fucking up their tank popping potential should be pretty great.

>>53339628
Nope. So its just useful against multiwound models. AND VEHICLES. 5 wounds in woudnt make leman russ care less but when its 5d3 it has legit chance of dying (Leman Russ has 12 wounds)

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>>53339630
YES

>>53339630
yes
and also make them not-shit along with the rest of the codex

>>53339628
No

>>53339630
Yes.

I never really understand why a space tech warp virus thing made the distinction between guns and swords.

>you can turn your arms into any weapon imaginable
>Cool! I'm gonna have a bashing flail and a flamethrower
>Errr well, any GUN imaginable, Muti Tim can make flails though

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>>53339453
I think people in 4chan does the same I do with love.

Focuses too much on the bad things (or even the slightly bad or just the not perfect) and forgets war too easily the good ones.

>>53339630
Well seeing as Mutilators (and oblitratiors and terminators) can make 1st turn charges, that should make them better. Also they will have at least 3 wounds now.

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First attempt at weathering, haven't sealed it in yet.

>tanks are monstrous creatures now
g-guys?
What about DE poison?

>>53339698

Mind sharing how you painted the Steel Legion camo scheme? I'm planning on getting into Steel Legion for 8th, but I haven't found a perfect guide for their tank scheme yet.

>>53339700
>>53339711
Acytually not known for sure now. Some rumour said that they only wound vehicles with 6+. Which is pretty much the same as most other basic infantry weapons in the game against vehicles.

Is this right

Roll to hit get 3 hits
Roll to wound 2 wounds
Damage is 1 for the weapon
2 models die because of 2 wounds on 2 hits

In the case of multiple damage weapons still 2 die because 2 hits?

>>53339715
This isn't the Steel Legion camo scheme unfortunately; I used Steel Legion Drab and Game Air Dead Flesh. The "real" scheme would use a dark gray rather than earth colour. And then finished with a light drybrush of white.
I use an air brush for my vehicles, which is how I also got the airbrushed look. GW officially said that they drybrushed the dead flesh on to create it.

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>>53339453
Nidfag here. I'm waiting more news my bugs with with bated breath, but what I've seen so far makes me already optimistic enough to resume scratch building and kitbashing my gribblies.

I may even buy some more, if the final rules for nids are really as good as I hope them to be.

So yes, I'm really optimistic.

>>53339453
I stopped during 5th, and I'm cautiously optimistic for now.
The deciding factor will be the updated rules for armies, if either of my existing armies is fine and fun, or one of those I'm tempted to start is, I'll plunge.

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>>53339453
>Realizing I'm the only one who is not excited about 8th and remains paranoid suspicious of GW.

>>53339698
I'd clean up the cloth pack on the back. I don't think the mud looks good on it.

>>53339700
They are likely going to make it either 4+ to wounnd up to a certain T then it degrades.
This would also help people like tyranids from having their MCs wiped out when facing certain armies.

Or make a vehicle keyword that is only wounded by poison on a 6+ but is weak to haywire.

>>53339774
Yeah, I did already, it wasn't supposed to get there at all.

>>53339740

No worries, anon, I was more interested in the technique than the actual colors. I've been thinking of picking up an airbrush, so it's good to hear that it suits this style well. Any recommendations?

>>53339786
I bought the absolutely shittiest cheapest piece of shit I could find and it works fine for what I use it as, painting on basecoats and camo schemes on tanks.

>>53339453
I'm pretty excited for 8th. Though i'll have to reserve final judgement for when I can finally rate the armies again and see where my Tsons and Crons fall on the list.

>>53339801

Great, that's what I was planning to do as well.

>>53339685

Muti's are just dudes who obsessed over weapons too much and mutated in the warp.

The fact they look exactly like Oblits is just laziness, they have NOTHING to do with the Oblit-virus. Maybe they were terminators before changing, but still.

They should have taken the opportunity to make plastic renegade Ogryns with mutant sword-arms and shit

>>53339773
They broke TAU even more, there's that. Other than that, the new rules are not bad at all.

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>>53339630
They should make them at least appear badass.

Look at this fucking garbage, even the official pro painted model is ass.

Hell, too many CSM heavy pieces are pathetically awful. The defiler is like a bad Toy Story tribute.
We should be able to field the most edgy, grimdark hunks of metal in wargaming instead of this crap.

>>53339804
>my Tsons and Crons
My brother of prosperine origins.

>>53339838
>shooting in general has been nerfed
>markerlights nerfed


>they broke tau even more
Explain

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/19/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-imperial-knights/

This is disgusting lads. Ban this sick filth. How do you deal with Imperial / Wraith Knights?
How will they be dealt with in 8th?

>>53339857
Check the Tau faction focus, also running from a melee and shooting again.

>>53339861
I did, outside of Stormsurges being retarded as usual. Crisis suits can shoot 3 weapons instead of 2 now, and yes Tau suits can run from a melee and shoot, but there's other tactic uses for that besides Tau.

Wouldn't the new Battleshock destroy the tau unit before it even had a chance though?

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>>53339860
Fuck you, they're awesome. I'm buying a goddamn knight now

>>53339773
Relax dude. Horus is just strengthening the Emperor's grip on the Galaxy okay? Like Horus, GW too is also only strengthening the game.

>>53339838
>I kind of liked when tanks acted like tanks.
>I kind of liked when blasts could scatter across the battlefield.
>I kind of liked having 40k and AoS as discrete rulesets.

Sorry..

>>53339860
>Knight army cancer lives in 8th

Why.

These things should just be limited to 1 per army allies, all Lords of war should be.

How the fuck is it an impressive mighty 'lord of war' if there are 5 of the cunts walking around

>>53339903
I really wonder how often these retards set up and immediately get told to fuck off. I know I would if I did a PUG and they started pulling 5 of them out

>>53339903
I'm more confused as to why there are command point benefits for it. You're already getting a big boost from 3 Superheavies. Do you also need extra bonuses?

>>53339860
>How do you deal with Imperial / Wraith Knights?
I don't, that's effectively dissuaded their use in my meta.

Super-Heavy detachments have me concerned, because there are simply so many Apocalypse-tier things out there and the potential for balance fuckups is so goddamn huge. Making this fully Battleforged for competitive, when normal ITC-hammer had a "1 Lord of War" cap, is iffy.

Sure, massed Knights or Baneblades aren't the end of the world.

What happens when massed Tau'nars become a thing? Or some other exploitable superheavy gets updated.

Say the Transcendent C'tan gets its old Escalation rules back, or the Eldar Lynx becomes a proper LOW again. Or someone goes "fuck it" and does a 3-Mastodon army (because Forgeworld will make some special rule to make it truly unkillable), etc?

At least the Mastodon can be stopped in its tracks by Grots, since no tank shock. But knights can at least step over them...

...yeah, my brain hurts from this all.

>>53339685
It probably is because of preference.

If if a mutilator feels like growing guns that one day, the warband probably just nudges him closer to the obliterators as a 'squad'.

>>53339901

>he liked 2 hours being added to the game between every mini being spaced 2" apart and players studying for their PhDs in applied physics to accurately map the scatter die

Good riddance to blasts, and if you liked when tanks acted like tanks, you should be THRILLED that one jackass can't stroll up and fire a plasma gun into rear AV10 to blow up a tank.

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Further proof Chaos gets Chadmarines.

They have had it in our face the entire time. That is a chadmarine on the left...and the right. This lends credence to the "Chaos Gods and/or Alpha Legion steals some away to Chaos."

That or a 2nd betrayal happens. Which might explain why the box set would have nu-marines on both sides fighting it out.

>>53339914

SOmeone post that image of a Knights army owner lamenting the fact no one will play him at his local store

>>53339958
Right is Death Guard.

You're an idiot if you don't think 5x Knights won't be OP. How else is GW gonna sell the damn things?

>>53339773
You're not alone. I'm reaaal skeptical about 8th, but will try it.

>>53339860

With the numerous av weapons that do 1d3-1d6 wounds per hit that are now available to you?

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>>53339958
>the chaos gun is partially made out of wood and held together with string
when will manlet marines learn?

>>53339981
What if I field only one knight for my army?
Will i still get opponents?

Theres nothing else that cool worth buying. I dont want to be stuck with ugly units just cause the epic ones are a bit OP.

>>53339861
Are you forgetting that we can supposedly consolidate into combat again?

>>53339991
The fact that people love big stompy robots?

>>53340013
You won't be able to.
The normal army detachements have no LoW slots.

>>53339990
Look at the helmet design, it is identical almost. A few changes here and there but otherwise nearly identical. Has a gorget and the top helmet vent. Has a similar face plate (not identical I know.) The skull is in the same position. The break in the gorget is the same position.

It isn't exact, but it is similar enough.

>>53340013
>a bit OP.
understatement of the year

Dumb newbie question time.

My 5 guys with force weapons attack 5 two wound models. All the attacks hit and wound with no saves made. Is the d3 damage rolled against each individual model, or do I roll all 5 d3 and the defending player allocates how he likes?

>>53340025
Oh, you've seen all the different FOC options? Please educate us.

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>>53339846
Ayy lmao. I don't kknow what it is about Egyptian motifs i'm attracted to but goddamn I can't stay away.

>>53339914
>>53339981
>>53340013

I have told the local Knight-hoarding guy not to bother unpacking them same with everyone else except the dude that likes to field an army of all dreads and tanks and can actually deal with 3+ Knights

Thankfully he also plays Marines and taking a single Knight alongside them is fine, so it's not about telling people to fuck off, but telling them to try and craft a game that's vaguely winnable and fun for both sides

>>53340036
nobody fucking knows because the rule aren't out yet

>>53339958
It's interesting that the Chaos marine's helmet/gorget is a very similar design to the Numarine's.

Suggests it might not be a Long War veteran but a corrupted Numarine maybe?

>>53340042
At the point where you go to PUGs with Knights, you're an asshole

>>53340036
You allocate when you try to make the armour saves, duh.

>>53339901
Yeah, I'm with you there. Blasts only got annoying when they were something like a pack of Peltasts or 30k Legion Seekers firing 20 Small Blasts, and you could easily have just cut them to D3 shots rather than removing the awesome that was landing a good blast template with a Dunecrawler or Battle Cannon and having to be careful about where you shoot them.

I'm happy that BS comes into it because I play Skitarii, so Neutron Lasers, motherfucker (assuming they don't gut Doctrinas and Canticles, which is my biggest fear). But the AV system was good, the Vehicle Damage table needed a little tonedown and MCs needed to get one too, but removing facings has basically made tanks boring as hell.

Also with the new blasts and unwieldy rule/removal of Initiative you can directly mathhammer every weapon to find the best one, there's no real situational options for stuff like artillery or whether to pack Power Fists on everything over Lightning Claws. That makes me a little sad.

>>53340018
>>53339883
Im glad I now stand corrected.

>>53340028
That or the artist is a lazy piece of shit. Still think that is just DG.

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>>53340042
>>53340056
I never knew there was a such a sticking points with knights.

Titans i understand, but i thought these smaller mechs were mainstream acceptable.

>>53339958
It seems more like the Death Guard are just getting a coincidental blessing + size increase.

>>53340086
Well I am talking about Knights as in plural.

One is fine, but the main issue here is that you just can't deal with that much vehicle in a regular game without list tailoring to some degree.

Starting a battle and realizing around 50% of your army is literally useless is bullshit

>>53339922
Call me crazy if you want but it's given that (certain) HQ's give out command points. Now I think you might get more for them for some criterias like 1 per troop/per 2 troops or 1 per set of each role slot filled, ie. having hq+troop+elite+fast+heavy = 1CP. If ths is the case, then super heavy detachment might be on the losing side in the CP race. Also it's probably for tha unique IK stratagem that they are bound to have.

>>53340086
Here's GW itself speaking on the matter:

Imperial Knights currently play as an all or nothing army.
What I mean by this is that they either totally overwhelm their opponent with high armour, powerful weapons and devastating melee… or they get crushed by an army that has the specific tools to deal with them.
This is largely due to the game mechanics of the way Warhammer 40,000 plays.
Many weapons cannot hurt a Knight at all, while some devastate them, such as Destroyer weapons or large numbers of melta weapons.
This creates very swingy, often short, games that can leave one or both players feeling a bit flat.

>>53340086
I don't see a problem with a single knight. Although we always tell our opponents ahead of time if you got lords of war in your army or not.

>>53340086
>mainstream acceptable.
>having an army entirely made out of hard to kill vehicles, when the majority of weapons in someones army is incapable of damaging vehicles.
>he thinks people take kindly to having the majority of THEIR DUDES invalidated.
bringing an army of nothing but knights is the definition of being that guy.

>>53339893
>Knights are Op
>Fuck you I'm getting one.

Waacfag confirmed

>>53340100
But in 8th edition anything can hurt anything so the
>50% useless
point is bullshit

>>53339945
I found that creating a "base" separator out of plasticard helps get the 2" distance without speeding up the game too much. I always was a fan of creating "visual aids" to help out with bookkeeping too (pieces of trench for G2G, etc).

By itself it really didn't actually add a whole lot of issue to 40k spacing, since so many units are either extreme MSU, or in transports anyway. Units ended up being bunched up after assaults, or due to Tank Shock (which...no longer exists), etc.

So, saying it "slowed the game down" really speaks more about the players rather than the game system; otherwise templates wouldn't exist in pretty much any other one (Bolt Action went *back* to templates for 2nd ed, etc?

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>>53339958
Who needs Chadmarines when you can just make your regular dudes tall?

>>53339893
Gay. Knights and other models that size should have stayed in apocalypse.

>>53340118
Well, im the anon who just wants one.

5 is ridiculous i agree.

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Knights should have never left epic scale

>Finally have the chance to give the Chainsword some cutting power
>it's ap 0

Why? and before anyone gets mad about marine favortism Scorpians and Stormboyz/Bikerz could have been given them

Why does a chain-saw still have the same effect as punching with your bare fists?

>>53340127

Yeah because it only takes 2000 lasguns/bolters to kill a knight get the fuck outta here

>>53340132
Those look like stilts.

>>53340138
I feel like they've been pretty stingy with armour save modifiers all around.

>>53340117
With forewarning, would 3 knights backed up by an infantry blob be acceptable? I wouldn't expect people to want that shit for a PUG, but I've been slowly putting together a like feudal worlder force of a Knight house and their militia.

>>53340146
There's some extensions in his thighs, waist and neck as well, I would have.
I agree though which is why going forward I'll be putting the second leg extension in the shin.

>>53340156
I would have thought so, but it depends on the people you play with, not /40kg/

>>53340132
Your finished Alpha looked fucking terrible anon.

>>53339893
That's a cool ass conversion. Any WIPs?

>>53340152
>7th edition
Waa AP proliferation is ruining the game, marines literally worse than orks
>8th edition
Waa chainswords don't have AP, marines literally worse than orks.

>>53340132
The Primaris doesn't look much taller at all. He just has a better pose than the hunched-over squat.

>>53340178
I'm glad that marines are being squatted. These spoiled retards don't deserve even a half of what they get.

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>>53340001
What do you think bright lances are going to be like anon?

>>53340047
Well, Mortarion is coming soon. I think we all know what happens next. Numarines will get warp STDs.

>>53339453
It would take more effort from them at this point to make it worse, rather than better.

So I'm looking forward to it.

>>53340171
Look I know my pictures are terrible but they're not that bad in person.

>>53340178
I don't even play Marines yet anyway, I just would have thought a chainsword's effect would be ap -1 instead of +1 attack. I want to kill Marines if anything.

>>53340100

The last time I played 40k was about 2 years ago, thinking of getting back into the hobby again after another good 2 years off. I setup my noise Marines, he drops 3 knights with some rule about charging bullshit distances, and Ravenguard bikes that make shit unable to be hit. 2 turns in I'm tabled, having all but maybe 5 Weapons in my entire list able to even dink a hull point.

At the very least I'm glad to know if that happens again this edition, 90% of my army doesn't have to just sit in a building waving Pom poms.

>>53340176
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/649325.page

>>53339773
I'm still pretty skeptical about 8th as well. Feels like it's gravitating toward even more static gunline shit only now with more focus on mass shots making overwatch even more obnoxious

>>53340211
>not filling and sanding the extensions
What were you thinking buddy?

>>53340220
Oh, he used LoS bits. That makes sense.

>>53340227
I'm going to have to do over a hundred of these fuckers and it's not like that's visible on tabletop anyway.
Coils of the Hydra is a bitch like that.

>>53340111
If they know about the problem what have they done to fix it?

>>53340257
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/19/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-imperial-knights/

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>>53340202
Damn it, Bill, whose mom haven't you fucked?

>>53340221
>static gunline
>orks can now drive their way directly into your ass

Nah, it'll be ok.

>>53340202
I think they already did Dark Lances which currently have the same rules as Bright Lances S8 -3 to save 1d6 damage. 36"

Really weird since they seem to have forgotten about the lance rule.
Not awkward for DE but confusing for CWE since pulse lasers are currently just 2 bright lances without the lance rule.(S8 AP2 Assault 2)

>>53340217
i'd just ask ahead of setup and say are you bringing any knights. more than 1 is a no

>>53340202
s8 ap -3 (or -4) d d6
Causes extra +X wounds against targets with more than Y starring wounds.

>>53340242
Please never post them again. It's bad for everyone.

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okay so i need feedback bad im a few months into 40k and i kind of make things my own, which is what i like

i really need powerful men though and that has been a limiting factor by making my own space marine army and not using a pre existing one like ultramarines yeah? but i want a primarch i dont want the big ultramarine dude that came out but i want his rules. i need to justify everything i do with some sort of story

so here is what i need feedback on

my marine chapter has been around since just before the horus heresy, a small empire on the outskirts of the imperium as their origin. they have been helping the imperium for the last 3000 years as a wandering company of marines after their homeworld is destroyed by chaos sorcerers. they are fleet based and essentially roam the empire hunting heretics. they are known as the lost and have some of the empires most powerful psychers known to man as such they work along side the gray knights regularly hunting down demons

the problem is space marine captains are weak and not as good. a freind at the store talked about lost primarchs so i decided that maybe every army should have one so we dont have to use blue marines :D lol but anyways here is my back story for the primarch of the lost

the emperor finds his lost son, he was alone on a world lost to mankind so he is known as the lost. his marine chapter is founded by him after he sees the others doing good for the emperor. they are named the lost and proceed to help in the northern reaches of the galaxy. he often got into fights with his brothers especially gully, about how to do things. during one major battle he got into a fight with one of the chaos gods whichever is weakest i know theyre strong lol. when they came out to help a demon army he was pulled into warp in mid combat, nearly beating the thing to death with his bear hands. now 3000 years later, he is back to lead his children again.

this picture is my marines, please like and let me know about my story?

>>53340086
Are you aware that in 7th edition playing against knights without the right weapons is an automatic loss, right? If you're playing an army that wins before units are even deployed and you don't think that's an issue, then you should probably pay attention to what the fuck you're doing for ten seconds of your life.

>>53339453
I am generally excited for the rules and the new mechanics it will bring. It looks like they put in a real effort to balance things, and I'm going to start off the new edition with a new army of conversion heavy marines.
I am however ABSOLUTELY LIVID that armor facings are no longer a thing for vehicles.

>>53340276
Dark lances are ap -4 so the extra -1 over lascannon is probably the new lance.

>>53339860
A squad of Lascannon Havocks, Autocannon terminators, Meltaguns, meltabombs, Power Fists, Soul Grinders, and, dump fire. That's how you deal with them in 8th. Everyone focus fire. A single knight is about 400 points unupgraded. But who brings unupgraded knights? everyone straps on at least a Crapace weapon. That means by the time we are fighting, he's got 3 knights. I got Plasma or meta in every CSM squad. I'm going to shred a knight a turn for 3 turns.

>>53340309
what the fuck am I reading

>>53340328
It really isn't as you can in fact tarpit them and play for objectives.

8th eliminates this by letting Knights walk over enemy models.

>>53340309
please tell me this is bait

>>53339860
How do these profiles work for attacks. Can the Knight use all his attacks to shoot that ridiculous cannon 4 times a round?

>With the numerous av weapons that do 1d3-1d6 wounds per hit that are now available to you?

Lascannons fired from BS 3 would be 3 to hit, 3 to wound, 6+ save, 5+ invuln d6 damage = 28 shots to kill it. This thing is more durable than Archaon is in Age of Sigmar, so it should cost like half your points for one of them.

>>53340309
Outstanding.

>>53340309
...So your dudes are led by a Lost Primarch who roams the galaxy doing whatever he fucking wants fighting evil and beats a Chaos God to death his bare hands.

...That's really bad, I get that your 14 and think this is the coolest thing ever...but that's just bad

Orrrr this is Pasta and I am being whisked into the fisherman's boat with bait in my belly

>>53340348
It's either a very carefully constructed troll or someone copied a post from dakkadakka or something.

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I've just played "The Last Stand" again, didn't expect it to be still alive.

I'm honestly impressed

>>53340362
no, his lost primarch beats a chaos god to death with his BEAR HANDS

SPACE BEARS WHEN

>>53340362
Yes. Welcome to the aquarium.

>>53340358
A-are you confusing attacks with shooting? You're aware that "attacks" applies only to melee, right?

>6+ save, 5+ invuln
You don't get both.

>>53339958
>That is a chadmarine on the left...and the right.

Right is a Death Guard in a mk4 helmet.

>>53340378
FIRE THE URSUS CLAWS

>>53340362
im 23, tyvm, but whats wrong with that, plenty of primarchs have fought chaos like that and done outstanding feats of glory

>>53340361
tyvm <3

>>53340348
my backstory for my marines? sorry did i need to put something in the title?

>>53340380
Ehh, not so bad really

The glass screen that separates me from children pointing and laughing takes some of the sting away

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>>53340378
NOW

I would totally make an army of these using SW parts if I didn't already have a marine army.

>>53340388
And a mk 8 gorget

>>53340328
I wasnt aware, ive never played, im asking because i might buy a knight.. or not if its so taboo.

>>53340388
So do you just not see the identical gorget?

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>>53340309
in case this is genuine retardation and not bait

The lost primarchs were dead, don't try to use them for your fluff
There were not space marines chapters before the heresy, only the known 18 legions; chapters started being made right after it

if you want a strongest dude use a chapter master, perhaps the new tech guilliman has started giving around to uplift marines into primaris marines

I assume not all upliftings end up equal and some extraordinary beings may become almost at the level of primarchs

since pic related is not a primaris, let alone a primarch, I assume your chapter master can end up as big as him (while using the rules for the blue primarch)

>>53340309
The :D is what made it too obvious. The story was about dumb enough to make it obvious, though.

>>53340396
Those don't look like bears. They look like angry guinea pigs.

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>>53340401
>gorget = Mk8

>>53340138
Because chainswords are +1A
So quit bitching about it. And give your sergeant a second one for another +1A in addition to the +1A from 2 weapons and be grateful.

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>>53340412
They're capybaras

>>53340403
>So do you just not see the identical gorget?

A Death Guard can't customise his armour?
If he was supposed to be a Primaris Marine he'd have the iconic new helmet.

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>>53340396
hnnggh

I think I'm going to name my future primaris chapter the Space Bears.

pic related

>>53339914
>>53339981
>>53340042
>refusing to fight an opponent who plays under the rules because ''waaah too op''
Top kek, this game is a fucking joke.
>y-you have to purposely underperform so i can have fun!
Imagine pulling this shit in something like Magic.

>>53340405
>The lost primarchs were dead
Actually they are implied to be alive. Lorgar knew both of them and was surprised when Ferrus Manus was slain because he didn't know if a Primarch could be killed.

>>53340309
Assuming not bait, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. About half of that wall of badly written text is impossible in 40k.

Lost Primarchs are both dead, they're mentioned in the Horus Heresy books a few times and they were both long gone by the time Chaos started getting their Heresy on.
The Chaos Gods never manifest themselves and if they did they would obliterate a Primarch effortlessly and he couldn't hurt them at all.

Chapters didn't exist before the Heresy, they were a consequence of Guilliman reorganising things after the Heresy ended. All Marines were members of one of the 18 Legions at that time.
Super Special Psyker Snowflakes doesn't really work, but you could use the Grey Knight rules and rock Draigo for your counts-as hero dude, he's kind of a beast.
Every Primarch was lost, so his name makes no sense, too. At least give him a pretentious faux-latin name like Ferrus Manus.
Also, thin your paints and watch some damn tutorials, they look atrocious.

>>53340439
(you)

>>53340439
>WAAC autist
>plays magic
IMAGINE MY SHOCK

>>53340402
It's a unit so big it makes people play differently from anything else they'd fight just to have a chance against it. Wraithknights are similar, but if some asshole takes a dreamwalker squad then no one's going to play him. Hell, current eldar are so fucked that taking a wraithknight is a dick move.

But knights are something that requires you to prepare specifically for if you want to deal with it. That doesn't make the game fun for the other person. I wouldn't suggest going for the biggest thing on the field if you don't even know the rules.

>>53340426
>>53340412
Huh, they do look like capybaras.

>>53340439
You mean banlists, card limits and "last 3 releases only"?

>>53339939
If a mastodon can't kill a unit of grots, not being able to move through them is the least of its worries.

>>53340468
Those are part of the official rules/format, not arbitrary limits placed by butthurt anons.

>>53340459
You should see them painted, It's even more noticeable.

I made the mistake of mentioning this to a guy who had a few and he lost his shit.
I genuinely thought he was making a funny army of SW riding what are actually large Guinea Pigs, but nope he thought he had a army of terrifying bear riding vikings

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>>53340489
MAYNE STEAM

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>>53340468
>official rules=local butthurt

>>53340309
What is the pink thing in the background?

>>53340435
>space bears= sidereal ursi
>stars, rainbows, bears and aurora borealis melded together to form the symbology of a eskimo based chapter

>dark armour, lots of pelts
>the power fields of the marines' armour are modified not unlike the night lords, but, instead of lightings, diffuse halos reminiscent of the aurora borealis

>purity seals are clubbed into shape

>>53340454
That sucks. Guess ill have to load up a dreadnaught or two for my stompy fix. Hopefully the primaris version looks even better.

>>53340492
>not playing against an army you cannot fight effectively whatsoever without list tailoring which defeats the whole fucking point
>butthurt

more like logic, troll

>>53340493
If he'd just wanted some awesome Capybara-riders to be his Thunderwolves I would be 100% down with that, they're adorable. Shame he was trying to be serious.

>>53340492
>>53340503
Excellent point, repeated with a minutes interval.

>>53340386
>A-are you confusing attacks with shooting? You're aware that "attacks" applies only to melee, right?
Why are you doing the disbelief meme when I directly asked. I play aos where you can shoot the same weapon multiple times.

You don't get both his profile 3+ save and the Iron shield its talking about? It seemed like they did from the 7th battle reports I've seen.

>>53340454
>It's a unit so big it makes people play differently from anything else they'd fight just to have a chance against it.
You mean *gasp* you have to alter your tactics when facing different types of opponents? That shouldn't be allowed!

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>>53340529
>s-samefag
>m-more then one people cannot possibly disagree with me!

>>53340529
>backed into a corner, the anon lashes out with a desperate samefag gambit

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>>53340510
>purity seals are clubbed into shape
MY SIDES

>>53340442
what?
then what did the wolves do to the lost legions?

thread has devolved into utter utter dogshite at lightning speed
going to go and paint something

>>53340546
>You mean *gasp* you have to alter your tactics when facing different types of opponents? That shouldn't be allowed!
No
He mean you'd have to know you opponents army beforehand and alter yours own in order to be able to affect it.

Now in majeek it's less of a problem because you're permitted a sideboard.

>>53340309
I mean, seriously, you should practice your painting skill more. Go to your LGS, show them this and tell them to help you.
Or spend another " few months " watch all Duncan's tips.

>>53340576
Gave them the knot.

>>53340471
Don't forget you can't shoot if an enemy model is within 1". The Grots are an extreme case of a rule exploit/it doesn't have to be Grots.

It could easily be 4 Jetbikes turbo-boosting to the cardinal directions of said Mastodon, locking it place. Or Hormagaunts emerging from a Trygon Tunnel, etc.

Even if this doesn't occur, don't forget that movement takes place before shooting in 40k. Thus, rather than moving to the side, the Mastodon has to park to a halt and shoot everything surrounding it before it can move again.

Aka the same shit that could happen in the worst cases of 5th ed, where 2 Piranhas could lock a Land Raider in place. The Land Raider would attempt to ram, the Piranha would dodge, and both vehicles remained in place with no movement for the turn.

>>53340539
Because this is the 40k general. Attacks only applies to melee, literally you hit four times in melee. Invuln saves are not an extra layer of protection, they're only used if they're better than your other saves.

You posted acting like you understood what was going on, so I assumed you had an idea of how the rules worked.

>>53340576
There's no reason to believe that the Wolves had anything to do with the lost legions
>but Russ said he fought space marines before
>what is the Night of the Wolf

>>53339453

Yes you are, once you've been here a while you'll learn that GW have a tendency to fuck up even the easiest of tasks like not making their main game shit.

>>53340546
MTG has a semblance of balance depending on the format. Not so in 7e.

Also, please stop provoking the mon-keighs.

>>53340439
>Imagine pulling this shit in something like Magic
But people do.

>Bring $20 werewolf tribal deck to non-tournament setting
>Get your shit pushed in by someone with a $600 modern Pro tour deck
>Resolve to not play against them again because the game will go exactly the same every time

>>53339773

When are FW going to retcon mark 6 to look like this?

>>53340439
Imagine being so autistic you play Magic at all

>>53340609
You mean when Sanguinius was talking about why he didn't want to reveal his defect because he didn't want the wolves to be unleashed again, creating another empty.... forgot the word. The stand they had the statues on.

>>53340628
Well, pauper exists for a reason. When people tell me they play modern I assume they're bringing a competitive deck.

>>53340439

You mean people who play autistic card games actually play them competitively? Christ they need to get out more.

War-gaming shouldn't revolve around winning. It takes months to make an army, if I wanted a highly competitive environment I would play chess and save myself all that time and money. War-gaming is about spectacle, having two beautifully painted armies fight on a miniature battlefield.

>>53340619
Dude, modern is considered well balanced when one deck ISN'T 50% of the meta. Even in the worst of 7th, Eldar hasn't been 50% of a major tournament's contents.

>>53340602
And enemy units can't be within 1" of you unless they've charged.

>>53340628
Kek.
>mfw when i played a cheap mono colored deck
>it was pretty simple but well put together
>played against the best decks in the shop constanly, almost all of them multicolored tournament-tier
>got my shit pushed in a lot but won a fair amount as well, improved a lot and had a lot of fun and made friends
Guess it's all about the mentality.

>>53340641
Does he mention the Wolves?

>>53340641
Plinth?
>>53340654
>not knowing that Pauper is super competitive
multiplayer or EDH are where you find suboptimal decks.

>>53340654
>I assume they're bringing a competitive deck.
>I assume
And there lies the problem. To bring things back to 40k, if you're fielding three knights (or any other cheesy strategy) it might be a good idea to ASK your opponent if they're trying to be competitive.

One of the things I'm really excited for in 8th is the clear distinction between narrative and matched play. It makes it much easier to broadcast whether people should bring super-tuned lists or just whatever they like.

Man, I was hoping the article today would be cool. But its some stupid new game mode.

>>53340640
>playing a fun and challenging card game is autistic
>spending years and wasting a fortune on collecting and painting miniature army men only to refuse playing because ''m-mus WAAC'' is normal
lmao @ ur life

>>53340686
Oh I have a old as fuck deck that can really tear ass, pretty much every cheap zap spell in the game bundled with fetch and quick temporary mana generation.
Think my record was a T4 or 5 win.

I get stomped 4/5 games of course because i have nothing permanent, durable or reliable.

>>53339981
Except knights army fucking sucks compared to anything remotely competitive

Stop playing orks and cursing the world for your poor army choice asshole. Can't wait for them to be garbage in 8th edition so I can never hear another neckbearded heathen give a horrible ork impression again

>>53340641
>Sanguinius, the strongest Primarch with one of the strongest legions, was afraid of Leman ''one punch nap'' Russ, the guy who doesn't even make the top 5 and had a legion that lost a third of it's members in a fight where it had absolutely every advantage imaginable short of The Emperor himself fighting alongside them
I don't buy it.

>>53340686
>>53340721
>But I win with my shit deck sometimes!
Not the point. If you brought a shit deck for some casual games and some guy had a competitive deck that countered yours, would you keep playing against him?

Same thing with knights.

how good is the new battle cannon?
D6 shots at BS3 looks like it will get about 1 hit in, before factoring in armor saves

im not good at math, but it looks like its not going to be very effective by itself

>>53340717
At least pretend not to talk about a game that had sites dedicated to selling the latest tourney winner deck.

>>53340733
But anon, until you've shouted WAAAAAGGGHHH at the top of your lungs in a crowded LGS you haven't really lived.

>>53340740
It's shit.

>>53340739
Because i had fun?
Because i wanted to improve my game?
Because i actually beat every single competitive deck in the store at least a few times when i completed my deck because playing those people gave me experience and also helped me befriend them, and they were more then happy to give me honest advice about deckbuilding and strategies so in the end i was one of the better players in the store and consistently made top 4 or even 2 in the local tournaments?

>>53340740
>it will get about 1 hit in

1.75 hits on average.

>>53340756
People like you are the reason I lie to everybody I know whenever they ask me where I go every Saturday night. I tell them to a strip club or a porn store, but never a gaming shop.

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>>53339901

>>53340756
I once played with a guy that shouts WAAAAAGGGHHH at the top of his lungs in a crowded LGS. Can't say he's really lived.

>>53340793
>>53340785
>>53340740
Would it be better if it rolled To Hit before Number of Hits?

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Tell me about David Guymer. Is he a good author?

Also why are the Admech guys dog piling on the marine instead of shooting him?

>>53340813
>Also why are the Admech guys dog piling on the marine instead of shooting him?

Wouldn't make for very interesting art if the protag is being gunned down, you stupid idiot.

>>53340813
They want to soothe his machine spirit and he misinterpreted their intentions. It's suffering so much they had to act immediately.

>>53340813
They hope their bodies can slow him down.

>>53340799
>he has never shout before a charge
>"FOR THE GLORY OF THE IMPERIUM! CHAAAARRRGEEEEEE!
>roll double 1s
>burst laughing
>fuck the qt trap on the table
>people shouting "RAMMING SPEED!"

Why do you even play this game?

Wood Rocket has decided to make a porn parody based on Warhammer 40K.
They have hired YOU to come up with the story and dialogue.
How will it look?

>>53340813
Oh god, not another book of Marines effortlessly destroying everything.

And in answer to your question, magical protagonist powers. Anything else gets plasma SMG to the gut.

>>53340740
Terrible.

If you thought the Killkannon was bad for Orks in 7th, it's going to be even worse for them in 8th where they're rolling D6 shots at 5+ to-hit instead of a Large blast that will probably hit *something*, and chances are it will only be 6s if they move, since the -1 to-hit penalty will apply to vehicles that don't explicitly ignore it, and Battlewagons are neither Fast nor Heavy.

In fact, BS 2 means that making Twin-linked double-shot rather than a reroll won't benefit them as much as it will armies with better shooting: Dakka-Dreads, Annihilation Barges, etc will be the rage.

That said, it will be interesting to see the faction Focus for Necrons because getting potentially 24 hits from a Twin Tesla Destructor sounds rather silly too.

>>53340840
I'd subcontract the work to GSC Breeder

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Can someone give me a quick rundown of units im not allowed to bring to a random game because they are too op?

Now that i know the knight is a risky investment, might as well find out which other models scare people away.

>>53340717
>>53340721
>>53340739
>>53340744
>>53340791
>>>/tg/mtg

>>53340861

Save us all the waste of time and tell us what army you play, pinhead.

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>>53340739
Unless he's a massive cunt who endlessly brags about the fact that he wins in a casual setting, yes.
I'm not a little child who can't eat a loss every now and then.

>>53340793
some quick mental math tells me its only killing about a single marine per turn

>>53340810
I dunno, but I'll take my 50/50 chances on a D6 shots over a single shot that can cause D6 hits.

>>53340861
Multiple:
Knights
Wraithknights
Stormsurges

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>>53340840
Self explanatory.

>>53340868
Im going to play csm

>>53340861
you won't scare anybody off by taking any units. It's when you start taking formations of knights, riptides or wraithknights to mid-low point games that people will get pissed off

>>53340861
Anon, I know what you are trying to say. there shouldn't be any standards to what you can bring to a pick up game. The problem is that if i am going to spend at least an hour or 2 of my time playing a game I don't wanna show up to some assholes hyper competitive list.

>>53340041
>>53340362
I dunno, he has bear hands. Maybe Malal didn't roll high enough on bear lore or something.

I love how people are losing their shit over models that haven't been costed. Knights could be 500 points a pop.

>>53340791
But we're not talking about "competitive decks" in general. We're talking about a specific deck that you will never be able to beat. I'm not knowledgeable enough in magic to think of a perfect analogue, but that's how it is with knights. If your list lacks certain elements it's simply impossible to clear 3 knights.

Anon said it would be dumb for someone a to refuse to play against a MTG deck they had no chance of beating so long as it "followed the rules", but most people will, totally reasonably, not want to spend their time fighting a one-sided battle in either MTG or 40k. Maybe you're different, but that doesn't make them wrong.

>>53340810
The average stays same but it would be more swingy.

>>53340445
Chapters *did* exist, they were just part of how legions were organized.

>>53340911
You can infer their points value by comparing their power level with what we already know. Would you rather have a knight or three squads of rubrics?

>>53340872
0.97222... if I'm correct. Assuming the Marine is in the open.

Can't wait for Exterminator to pump out 8 shots with only negatives being 1 less str. and 1 less AP.

>>53340934
Personally, 3 rubics
But I'm a Tson player and am ECSTATIC about rocking a 2+ against small arms

>>53340921
Yeah but in 8e unless you are an idjit how do you not stand a chance?

>>53340911
People are always losing their shit over everything.

In the Imperial Knight faction focus they mentioned that a Tyranid Trygon has D6 Damage close combat attacks, and I already heard a nid player complain that it doesn't mean anything because that still only kills a single marine per close combat attack.

There just isn't pleasing some people.

>>53340905
Nah, im just new and this kind of stuff wasnt made clear in the info ive read from wikis and beginner advice.

Wouldnt want to play a losing game either. Id assumed there were sufficient point costs and anti-armor options that kept big guys in check.

>>53340931
Fair point, but you get the idea. They wouldn't be founded as random independent entities by a Primarch, they were all given a full Legion (or whatever was left of it at the time, for Fulgrim and a couple others).

>>53340934
Three squads of Rubrics with full upgrades at that. And 3 psykers total. From current estimates, 1 power is around 20 points, so 24 power of knight is gonna be about 480 total.

>>53340958
Because you were that moron who believed the "lasguns kill titans now" meme and only brought conscript squads ?

>>53340799
Yeah I've been contemplating dropping the hobby so I can have a relationship where I don't have to lie about what I'm doing. I whitewater kayak, rock climb and mountain bike but miniature wargaming would still be detrimental.

>>53340958
Since the conversation started with real-life experience I assumed 7e. But yeah, exactly, that's part of why I'm tentatively excited for 8th.

>>53340921
tbqh that's the fault of the game itself for allowing there to be scenarios like that. Even if the opponent side-decks against in you in the second you still have a fair chance since you get to side against him, and even without it it''s not a locked victory.

>>53340861
Depending on your crowd, you can get away with "one" such powerful unit. Also, some "combos" of units are far more powerful than the sum of their parts (Example: Fenrisian Wolves are an acceptable unit. Azrael is a middling commander with meh stats who mostly benefits you by giving you a tougher Marine unit. Putting Azrael in a giant unit of Fenrisian Wolves gives you the beginning of the most powerful deathstar in 7e 40k)

Notable ones include:
-Warp Spiders. These are a tournament staple.
-Windrider Jetbikes with Scatter Lasers: Fast, deadly, undercosted, and troop choices.
-Magnus if the rest of the army has enough Warp Charge to power him up.
-Anything with "Knight" in its title (exception for Deathwing Knights or Dreadknights).
-Riptides taken in a Riptide Wing.
-Screamers and the Grimoire of True Names.
-Ordnance Tyrant lists.

...and thats about it to be honest. Yes, there's the Gladius, gravbikes, and other power things but most are actually not as OP as people claim them to be.

Usually most armies in 7th are fairly balanced against themselves though IG/Tyranids/Sisters/Orks/Dark Eldar/Grey Knights have an uphill battle against anything from Necrons onward. DE do have at least one viable build though (either Reaverspam, or Corpseclaw builds), and I know one guy (sadly passed away a few months ago) that won an ITC event with a Zhadsnark MSU build, and another that won another one with a Voidshield/Bullyboy list.

>>53340979
There are, IF you build for it by sacrifivicign ability to deal with normal enemies.
Unless you play one of the amries that get to eat their cake and keep it too, and also get free pie, candy and a complementary soda for easing so much cake.

>>53340996
Depending on how objectives/scenarios work in 8th you could pull off a victory, but yeah killing those with just lasguns is kinda outlandish.

>>53341041
it takes about 500 small arms shots to kill a stompa, and undoubtedly way more to kill a full sized titan

while technically possible, in the same way a coin could possibly land on its edge when thrown, its not a feasible tactic in any universe

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>>53341010
NORMIES!!!
REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

>>53341010
Just say you do freelance work with models and don't specify what kind of models.

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Tbh I'm hyped as fuck to paint up a bunch of primaris marines in a funky scheme like howling griffons or another chapter from the badab war.

>>53341064
You know this hobby will die if we don't get new people in, and the more you drive people away the faster it all goes to shit.

>>53341026
Ill keep those in mind cheers

>>53341117
>the more you let people in the faster it all goes to shit.
ftfy

>>53341063
My point was you could win with conscripts against knights without killing them.

>>53341138
I've literally known war gamers and rpg folk who've died of old age and shops crumple and bust because their customer base literally died off.


We need new blood.

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>>53339406
I'm going against Nids in a few days, and I've developed this list.
Any thoughts?

>>53341209
Break up the Preds.

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>>53339453

If that model is yours can you post the inner diameter of the medusa?
I need it for reasons .

(Modelling ammo for it)

>>53341191
>>53341138
You need both.
>keep clients
>get more clients
>profit from clients

This is so basic that is surprising people still bitch about it

>>53341249
>keep clients

That's obvious and irrelevant to the convo

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>>53339453

I'm quite optimistic; the Age of Sigmar rules originally made me very uncomfortable but I've had two friends become new players of AoS. Both are equally excited that 8th ed will allow them to access 40k too.

As a long-time 40k player. I'm also pretty stoked about the setting advancing. My IG have been fighting for 15 years in the endless grind of regular 40k, now we're in this new dark age, they get to fight alongside a Primarch... ridiculously pleased by that thought.

>>53341239
>Eliphas
>not ''BRUUUUTHAAAAAASSS *dies*''

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>>53340813
>Also why are the Admech guys dog piling on the marine instead of shooting him?
They realized he's wearing a special edition Mk ultra deluxe power armor with a unique metal finish that lets it stay 5% more shiny and want to rub their naked metal bodies up against it for still being in mint condition.
Sadly in their eagerness they forgot to stop speaking binary and subsequently freaked the marine the fuck out.

>>53341153
This edition? Not against knight crusaders. RFBC completely destroys hordes.

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>>53340510
>>purity seals clubbed into shape

>>53341249
You need to get the right kind of client, though. Cultivating a consumer base that doesn't hate itself, or parts of itself, is important. If you cater to spergs you struggle to get normies, and vice versa.

Same reason behind why certain products advertise only to blacks, whites, or whoever. Shea Moisture, which sells overwhelmingly to black women, ran an ad with white women to expand their consumer base and their black customers fucking flipped out. Why? Because they associate Shea Moisture with something that is specific to black women, it isn't to be shared. If you open up the FLGS to normies the spergs will flip out in the same way, and I am pretty sure that it's those autists who spend waaay more money on the hobby than any normies just interested in the beginners boxes.

It would be a beautiful thing to have everyone want to play the same game and be okay with each other, but it isn't realistic, and as long as our reality is the way it is the stores need to be careful about which customers they actively court.

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>>53341115
They said the shoulder pads and helmets are same scale, right? Should totally hoard the Griffin pads from deathwatch vet box and find some knightly crested helms for your leaders.

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.>>53340309
>those minis
>pony toy thing
>that lore
>:D

Go away. Bait somewhere else.

>>53341363
>the fucking mold line
REEEEEE

>>53341209
>1509p
What kind of point limit is that? Like drop single tactical or some shit.

>>53340351
>>53340362
>>53340405
>>53340411
>>53340445

It isn't bait...
>>53340507
That's a my little pony stuffed animal from when the series first started. Worked in toystore so vaguely recognize it from having to stock the fuckers. Trolls wouldn't own pony shit.

>it isn't bait
>it is a pony fag

his hobby desk is probably covered in it...which means that post was legit.

>>53341363
Holy fucking mold line.

>>53341373
you forgot
>please like
Still, much better than the spam thinly disguised as bait we've been getting lately. I kek'd

>>53341381
Damn you, anon. Ill never unsee it now.

Why would anyone spend this much effort converting only to have mold lines like this?

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>>53340969
>mfw nid player
>mfw there's nid players that aren't overjoyed by those news

Hell, I'm not even using trygons because I prefer Mawlocs, but I don't understand HOW those that use them can't be happy knowing that.

>>53341399
Unless he picked up the MLP paraphrenalia at Goodwill with the sole purpose of including it in the picture... to bait us even more. It's fucking masterful if you ask me.

>>53341402
>>53341381
Clearly that collar is welded together from two pieces.

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So isofar I've only played orks. I like orks but I want to try something new.

I thought the idea of playing guard like napoleonic line infantry, with artillery and rough riders could be fucking fun and thematic.

What's the chances this is going to be viable in 8th?

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>>53340969
>nid player
>focusing on killing marines and not how to kill vehicles
clearly they don't have their priorities straight.

>>53341442
desu im a chaos player...

ive been thinking of going hormagaunt spam + a few trygons and eventually get a hierophant with my next bonus

>>53341475
Rough riders will be better. Arty will be worse so your massed gunline will be effective.

Check out Mordians.

Why is Chessex dice so popular? Do you use it?

>>53341494
We don't know anything about Artillery yet. It might very well be that because they'll do a random amount of hits that they will cause more casualties on average.

But I do hope you no longer have this fucking retarded thing where barrage weapons are waaaay better at sniping characters out of a unit than sniper rifles. That shit is so stupid. ...

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>>53341481
Just nom them all, you glorious fucker. Just nom them all.

Wait to see how they trully will fare in 8th before droping anything on plastic meth, though. Especially with that hierophant

>>53341554
They are the market dominator and easy to get

Their dice are pretty low quality. I suggest buying their translucent dice since the opaque dice generally hide manufacturing defects

If you are concerned about fairness, don't be. If you use casino dice people will assume you are a cheater.

You know how each upgrade kit comes with a little faction emblem with a half sphere on the back? What the fuck are those actually for?

>>53341026
How many points would be fair for scatbikes? They die very easily.

>>53341600
Banner toppers

>>53341599
Chessex dice are unfair?

>>53341494
Part of me wants to make at least 1 squad of veterans in a transport for the classic regiments:
Cadian Shock Troopers
Catachan Jungle Fighters
Armageddon Steel Legion
Tallarn Desert Raiders
Mordian Iron Guard
Valhallan Ice Warriors
Praetorian Guard

Then I remember how expensive and hard it gets to find the older metal models.

>>53341600
sticking it on a vehicle, on a building, on some custom hero of yours, etc.

>>53341600
Pics?

>>53339761
M-moloch, is that you?!

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>>53341607
>They die very easily
I hope they are cheaper in 8e.

>>53340309
I fucking love the MLP plushie in the pic. Realy makes you feek the autism.

>>53340287
If I'd even known what they were, or if it was a thing worth asking. When last I'd played, asking if someone was bringing a super heavy to a game wasn't really a thing.

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>>53339817
>The fact they look exactly like Oblits is just laziness, they have NOTHING to do with the Oblit-viru

I think you should re-read the Obliterators fluff in the 6th edition codex. There is no such things as a Oblit-virus. Both obliterators and mutilators are creations of chaos.

How do you approach a situation where your opponent is obviously fudging their rolls?
Without appearing like a moron yourself, I mean.

>>53341623
no die is perfectly fair, they all have small imperfections
but unless it has an obvious problem (as in rolling way too much certain numbers and not enough others, very obviously) only autists care

>>53341686
And now we know why t'au drones havent been corrupted. It's not the machine but the hand that uses it. Humanity is cancer and ruins everything.

There's nothing wrong with super heavies as long as they're balanced. Less bodies but just as durable as a larger army at same pointage

>>53341666
Well they are going to be worse in 8th anyway. S6 isnt anything special and compared to other weapons, SL lacks any penetration.

>>53341597
Yeah, gonna wait... working on other things I already own for now. Just nervous about Siege of Vrask Renegades being turned into generic cultists with a single type of leman russ. If they ruin them then I'll need a new army I guess.

I never figured points for bugs nor does anyone play nids here. I was hoping to secretly build the army then just show up one day as a hive fleet invasion... how many gaunts can you fit into a regular 7E list? Should I stick to hormagaunts for maximum "bug" feel, or include termagaunts too?

>>53340394
Zero primarchs have fought the chaos gods and with Slaanesh, being the weakest chaos god your primarch would have fought it and if a primarch were to gaze upon slaanesh they would immediately fall to its service.
Not only that but the chaos gods never leave the warp

>>53341700
Sounds like bullshit. Chessex is weighted?

>>53341776
This is old.

>>53341776
>Gully x Maggy confirmed
My ship has come true.

>>53341776
>narrative
do they kiss?

>>53341777
No. It is actually pretty hard to get perfect dice. Casino dice is the closest you can get to it but if those corners crack they won't be accurate anymore either.

>>53341776
That center pic is so gay lel

>>53341804
I used to use casino dice for tournaments, have a business acquaintance who manufactures them.

I had a few mercury dice in there to guarantee sixes when I needed them. Won a few tournaments and a few thousand dollars worth of 40k since 2005. I feel no shame.

>>53339453
Tau pulse rifles!
Wounding Imperial Knights!
ON FIVES!

>>53341804
>Casino dice is the closest you can get to it but if those corners crack they won't be accurate anymore either.
This, casino dice have to be replaced every 8 hours because you microscopically fuck up your dice every time you roll them and eventually the imperfections stack up and make them inaccurate.

For the average gamer though this really shouldn't be a concern.

>>53340402
It's not taboo. Probably 50% of players have one, but they don't always bring it because in a lot of armies you can do a lot better with those 375 pts.

>>53341841
And you only need 216 hits to kill one!