MtG $$$$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$$$ MODERN GENERAL

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>>53325826
Can anyone critique my monoblue faeries deck?

// 60 Maindeck
// 1 Artifact
1 Vedalken Shackles

// 13 Creature
3 Vendilion Clique
4 Mistbind Clique
4 Spellstutter Sprite
2 Thing in the Ice

// 2 Enchantment
2 Threads of Disloyalty

// 20 Instant
4 Mana Leak
4 Remand
3 Spell Pierce
4 Spell Snare
4 Cryptic Command
1 Repeal

// 23 Land
4 Mutavault
3 Faerie Conclave
16 Island

// 1 Sorcery
1 Ancestral Vision

>>53326342
>1 Ancestral Vision
Yea this is wrong.

Honestly the deck seems way too slow. Ub Fae is faster and even that wins very late

>>53326342
-1 repeal
-2 remand
+3 AV

You probably better off playing UB faeries though and even that deck isn't that great

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Bant Eldrazi Super Secret Tech

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Sleeper card

>>53326827
Garbage
>>53326874
Trash

>>53326936
Weathered Wayfarer is any land so normally a Temple but you need A Ghost Quarter against Tron? Grab a Ghost Quarter, against Burn grab a Radiant Fountain, it has so much use and its card advantage, you wont be topdecking those lands later.

>>53326476
I only have one ancestral

>>53327007
>4 mana do nothing
What a sick card

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>>53327352
Hey, man, every card has a place, just not in Modern. Just think about it with Fleshbag Marauder/Merciless Executioner. Always a 2 for 1 per player. Just gotta look on the bright side.

>>53327701
>just not in Modern
Then don't fucking post it in the modern thread

Playing/brewing a new loam pox deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shock-pox/

It made day two at a GP, top8s at least half of the "bigger" tournements I attend, and goes 3-1 or better at FNM.

>metagame:

it seems like players are figuring out the best few decks, but there is room for a lot of others right now. Just be more creative.

>>53327352
You pair it with Lingering Souls and Sac outlets and Blood Artists

Anyone have some insight on the RUG Delver v DSJ matchup?

I am presently playing Grixis Delver, but since that has dropped so much I want to switch over to the objectively more fun Delver variant. I just wanna know how it fares against the top decks first.

>>53326827
You mean HateBears secret tech to fuck over tron heavy metas

>>53328413

>playing delver in modern

top meme

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>>53326342
While I appreciate the iconoclasm that is ditching Bitterblossom this pile is too slow for the format and you only have seven doods to champion Mistbind Clique.

Keep trying.

As someone who wants to get into Modern. Is it okay to get the Modern Event deck and basically upgrade it

>>53328413
I like the matchup. Your goyfs are just as big as their goyfs and blood moon plus engineered Explosives do alot of work

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>>53328515
Holy fuck why does WotC allow vintage level cards like that to exist in modern, do they have any idea how to run a cardgame???

Unfuckingbelievable.

>>53329263
I agree, that's the 4color restore balance super secret tech

>>53328823
The only deck ot reasonably upgrades into is WB Tokens, which is like tier 3 atm. And that's after basically gutting it and taking the good cards to put with the ~50 other good cards you will need to buy as singles.

>>53328823
It's basically B/W tokens for the most part I think, and if you can get it for a decent price it has a lot of nonjunk cards.

I would look at recent B/W lists and see how many cards difference it is before you buy into it, but as far as precons go, I think Event Deck is by far the least shitty

>>53328413
sideboard some motherfucking W R A N G L E for the sickest anti-dsj tech ever seen since Vhati

>>53329263

INVEST IN YOUR PAJEETS NOW BOYS

IM CALLIN IT THIS IS GONNA BE A $20 CARD

>>53329263
I like him in tezzerator. They board out removal for artifact destruction and I laugh my ass off

>>53329672
Dodges Decay too, and has a pretty nice butt.
The draw engine is like a liter of gravy.

i only sb 1, but padeem has and will always impress me.

>>53327911
Played against a loam/vortex deck and honestly game1 felt unwinnable without graveyard hate. I think they were running more seismics, and one vortex (plus a conflagrate i think?), not sure how the manabase worked though but i think i have it screenshot somewhere.

It also had a miser Shadow of the Grave, which was one of the greasier things I've seen.

The archtype seems super open, and they keep printing some decent tech (gitfrog, various gravestuffs, splendid rec, new flashback cards)

>>53329885
i have a pretty terrible loam deck built that's fun to play, here's the list

// 60 Maindeck

// 4 Artifact
//

// 60 Maindeck
// 7 Creature
2 Bloodghast
2 The Gitrog Monster
3 Azusa, Lost but Seeking

// 2 Enchantment
2 Molten Vortex

// 4 Instant
2 Grisly Salvage
2 Abrupt Decay

// 30 Land
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Swamp
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Bloodstained Mire
2 Thespian's Stage
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Stomping Ground
1 Drownyard Temple
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Blood Crypt
2 Overgrown Tomb
2 Tomb of Urami

// 4 Planeswalker
4 Liliana of the Veil

// 13 Sorcery
1 Flame Jab
1 Raven's Crime
3 Faithless Looting
4 Life from the Loam
4 Smallpox


// 15 Sideboard
// 4 Artifact
SB: 3 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Crucible of Worlds

// 7 Instant
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Ancient Grudge
SB: 3 Fatal Push

// 4 Sorcery
SB: 2 Collective Brutality
SB: 2 Anger of the Gods

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>>53329910
I've never played the deck, but I think you want a Seismic (replacing a Molten Vortex, or in addition). The combo with Gitrog is strong, and maybe even worth to run a single Dakmore and a Graven Cairns for lands.

I highly recommend a single Shadow of the Grave too, that card has a lot of synergy with little things in the deck and alongside Seismic is busted. Works great alongside Faithless/Lilly as well.


Personally (feel free to disregard my shitter opinion), i would do
-1 Molten Vortex
-1 Grisly Salvage
-1 Azusa
+1 Faithless
+1 Seismic
+1 Shadow of the Grave

-1 Tomb of Urami
-1 Thespian's Stage
+1 Graven Cairns
+1 Dakmore Salvage

thoughts?

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>>53329467
>Replacing 50 cards from the modern event deck

More like 20

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>skeleton
>wizard

Super secret tech in... something

>vial him in during your upkeep
Wizard tribal?

>>53329910

spellweaver helix is my favorite version of this loam meme but gitrog is just the dopest card on the planet

>>53330379
Decent card in budget 8rack lists, you could argue he has some upside as well given that he can block for days in a meta with goobergoys and shadows, and he's often a better topdeck than Wrench Mind would be.
For a common, he has some contention.

>>53330251
seismic assault being 3 mana is why i don't like it desu, but i like trimming an azusa and one tomb i suppose

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>Playing?
Affinity, as always.
>Brewing?
Ayy lmao
>Metagame thoughts
Seems pretty healthy to me imo.
>Bans/Unbans?
None really. I'll go ahead and say that they could try unbanning Stone Forge Mystic, but you and I both know it won't happen.

>>53326989
>its card advantage, you wont be topdecking those lands later
It is card advantage, but not because it's thinning your deck

>affinity gets to play first
>lose
>draw hate game 2
>win
>don't draw hate game 3
>lose

What a fucking cool deck. I love how "inconsistent" the deck is. Oh, turn 3? Cool, swing for 10 and gblast for 8 next game.
Darn, slow hand. Only vault skirge and opal. K, turn 3 swing for 12 gblast for the rest. Good games, man. Glad I had the opportunity to play.

>>53332136
What are you playing?

>>53330263
What would you keep from the modern event deck? Souls, Procession, Inquisition, Path, Honor, and I guess the lands are workable?

>>53330379
Love the artwork on this guy

>>53332136
Not our fault you don't know how to play against affinity or are playing a deck that's shit against it.

>>53332136
Affinity consistently wins on turn 4 if it isn't disrupted.

>>53329672
I've been fooling around with Tezz builds, have you had more success with slower control decks or explosive Mox Opal and a slew of 0 cmc artifact decks? How many Whirs are you playing?

>>53330490
A lot of the black decks in pauper do shit like turn two this guy, turn three supernatural stamina sac him twice to put the opponent into topdeck mode right off the bat.

It's pretty brutal.

>>53332667

what pauper deck does this?

>>53332610
I've got 3 opal, 4 Bauble, 4 whir.
I'm actually playing it right now at fnm
2-0 so far.
Played against dsj and esper control

I think a good thing to keep in mind is you are just ensnaringbridge.dec in many matchups

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R8/B8 illusion tribal

4 Aether Vial

4 Krovikan Mist
4 Lord of the Unreal
4 Phantasmal Image
4 Imaginary Pet
4 Phantasmal Bear
2 Illusory Angel
4 Metallic Mimic
2 Adaptive Automaton
2 Labyrinth Guardian

2 Vapor Snag
2 Unsubstantiate
2 Disrupting Shoal

4 Mutavault
10 Island
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
4 Cavern of Souls

>>53332769
Are you playing Glint-Nest? Got a tappedout list?

>>53332773
where's the penis?

>>53332746
I can't believe I can't find a list for you. It's the classic MBC style decks that play Chittering Rats, Crypt Rats, Grey Merchant and a bunch of edicts.

>tfw you beat death's shadow on the mull to five with storm two games in a row

wew lads i hope wotc doesn't ban this deck

>>53333780
ban past in flames, unban preordain

>>53333790
please no, how else can i show how autistic i am by playing storm

>>53333790
Yea, straight up ban the best part of that deck when it's not even putting up results.

Also can we get the MNBL talk started back up?

>>53333965
They could unban rite of flame :^)

so, recently i've heard a lot of pros and just players in general dismissing this format saying it's too linear and that this is the worst modern has been in a while. do you agree with this? i feel like modern is fine, i think it could be improved but like it's okay overall.

>>53334008
i mean to be fair, according to mtggoldfish, it's the most played deck on modo. that's probably because the deck is super cheap though

>>53334028
just blue fags mad they aren't the top deck in the format as always

>>53334008
this guy is right, don't ban Past in Flames, ban Serum Visions. No storm bans should only hit storm, combo as a whole must always go down with it.

>>53334127

>muh combo is bad meme

cmon with that

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>>53325826
Anyone play RG Breach here? or have all the titan players moved to titanshift because discard is so prevalent? Here's my list for criticizing, was wondering if I should play more Chandra.
Meta is very slated towards small aggro and tron-like decks.

// 60 Maindeck
// 12 Creature
4 Primeval Titan
4 Sakura Tribe Elder
4 Simian Spirit Guide

// 8 Instant
4 Summoners Pact
4 Through the Breach

// 15 Sorcery
4 Search for Tomorrow
4 Farseek
4 Anger of the Gods
1 Scapeshift

// 25 Land
2 Cinder Glade
4 Stomping Ground
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
2 Forest
6 Mountain
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Wooded Foothills

// 2 Planeswalker
2 Chandra, Torch of Defiance


// 15 Sideboard
// 4 Creature
3 Obstinate Baloth
1 Melira, Sylvok Outcast

// 5 Artifact
3 Chalice of the Void
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Relic of Progenitus

// 2 Sorcery
2 Crumble to Dust

// 4 Instants
3 Sudden Shock
1 Pulse of Murasa

>>53334435
>valakut

do you enjoy losing to storm and dredge and ad nauseum or something?

>>53334028
>too linear
Doesn't really feel more linear than it usually is. If you are looking for a format where blue control is king, Modern is not that format, has never been that format, and never will be that format.
>a lot of pros
Pros have never liked Modern because it isn't really solvable (inb4 exceptions like Eldrazi Winter). Modern rewards having intimate knowledge of a deck over trying to metagame the field (again, inb4 exceptions like small invite tournaments). That's bad for pros, but good for average players.

>>53334435
Wait is Primeval Titan not banned?

>>53334704
Nope. Summer Bloom is what they banned from the Amulet Bloom deck. Amulet Titan and Valakut decks still exist.

>>53328745
there are manlands

>>53334552
Those aren't really prevalent in my local meta. I play blue moon at larger tournaments.

>>53334719
I would still be playing bloom titan if it wasn't for that nigger that top8'd PT Born of the Gods.

>>53334894
No. It would have gotten banned at some point anyway.

>>53334934
Literally no one was playing it or even knew about it before that.

>>53334943
Doesn't matter.

>>53334961
Actually that's all that matters. A deck can kill on turn one 100% of the time but if absolutely no one plays it, Wizards wont do shit.

Hatebears or DnT?

And what color/style should I play? I'm interested in Eldrazi Taxes, but it seems to put up worse numbers than Hatebears

>>53334987
Broken decks are found. If it wasn't at Born of the Gods, it would have been elsewhere. Your deck getting banned was inevitable.

>>53334993
Hatebears. D&T is underwhelming in Modern and straight up Eldrazi is better than Eldrazi & Taxes.

Guys, Padeem is a girl.
Stop misgendering her.

>>53335006
>Modern players suddenly embracing a new deck that WASN'T just played at the PT

Again, if no one was playing it, it would not win. If he did not play it a the PT, it would still be fringe.

>>53335066
Modern PTs no longer exist, yet we see metagame shifts towards powerful decks.

If no one was playing it, it would not win, but all it takes is a few fringe people to find it and start putting up results to start the chain reaction. You would have had to keep the deck a secret somehow.

It's banned and deserves to be banned. Deal with it.

>>53335066
Ah I see, he broke the rules of the secret society of bloom players, all of which never go to PTs in order to keep their deck fringe.

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>>53325826
>playing G/B tron, slamming fatties, living the 4-0 life every FNM
>facing new guy, not sure what he's on
>turns out to be UW control
>4 maindeck GQ & Spreading Seas
>4 Sea's Claim in the side
>mfw
This just happened to me a few hours ago. Not sure how I feel about it.

>>53335083
It basically was a secret society.

>>53335080
The only deck that has gained popularity recently that wasn't played in a PT is UR storm, and that's because a card was recently printed for it. Bloom had nothing printed for it that made it better, it just got noticed. Yeah it deserved to be banned, but the reason it was banned was because more people were playing it and honestly I'm going to complain about pretty much anything until they unban preordain.

>>53335139
>The only deck that has gained popularity recently that wasn't played in a PT is UR storm
u wot?

Dredge, DSJ, and Eldrazi Tron immediately jump to mind.

>>53335134
woah what, you can't interact with lands that's illegal

>>53335134
You deserve everything you get Tronbabby, hope he crucibled ya good

>>53335134
Shit happens when you party naked.

>>53335184
Dredge literally had cathartic ruin AND prized amalgum printed for it. Deaths shadow was played in the last PT and eldrazi tron is played because of eldrazi aggro which definitely was part of the last PT.

>>53335260
>Dredge literally had cathartic ruin AND prized amalgum printed for it.
Yep, which weren't around for the last Modern PT. No moving the goalposts for you.
>Deaths shadow was played in the last PT
Nigger what? Death's Shadow Aggro and the Death's Shadow Jund / Grixis / etc. decks are vastly different beasts.
>eldrazi tron is played because of eldrazi aggro which definitely was part of the last PT.
Are you really this retarded or are you just pretending?

>>53335312
If you seriously think that if the last PT hadn't happened that we would see a meta filled with death's shadow and eldrazi then you are the retarded one. MAYBE eldrazi, but definitely not death's shadow.

>Yep, which weren't around for the last Modern PT. No moving the goalposts for you.
My whole argument is that he played a deck that already existed and got it noticed, not one that had a card recently printed for it that everyone was hyped about. I'm not moving the goalposts.

>>53335367
>If you seriously think that if the last PT hadn't happened that we would see a meta filled with death's shadow and eldrazi then you are the retarded one
Nope, still you.
>definitely not death's shadow
Yes, we would. You could argue about metagame share, but that shit would exist.
>My whole argument is that he played a deck that already existed and got it noticed
Quote: The only deck that has gained popularity recently that wasn't played in a PT is UR storm
Quote: If he did not play it a the PT, it would still be fringe.

Your entirely argument is that people only play what they see at PTs, which is demonstrably bullshit.

>>53335410
>Quote: The only deck that has gained popularity recently that wasn't played in a PT is UR storm
>Quote: If he did not play it a the PT, it would still be fringe.
Neither of these contradict the point that I made. Hint: Baral was recently printed
>Yes, we would. You could argue about metagame share, but that shit would exist.
Actually, you bringing up ds perfectly illustrates my point, how long did ds exist until it started getting played? and when did it start getting played? Directly after the PT.
>Your entirely argument is that people only play what they see at PTs, which is demonstrably bullshit.
Haha.

>>53335367
>If you seriously think that if the last PT hadn't happened that we would see a meta filled with death's shadow and eldrazi then you are the retarded one. MAYBE eldrazi, but definitely not death's shadow.
Eldrazitron had a significant presence on MTGO before the GP, and the new death's shadow lists were picking up as well. People aren't retards who never see new decks before they're played in a PT or GP, it's just you who lives in your little pro bubble.

>>53334704
>EDH poster

Get go and stay go

>>53332946
I play a shitload of pauper on mtgo and I have literally never seen that card played.

>>53335444
>Neither of these contradict the point that I made.
Yes actually, yes they do. I won't let you move the goalpost to a different point. Your point was specifically about PTs.
>Directly after the PT.
I dunno about you, but I don't recall seeing DSJ directly after the PT.
>Haha.
It is a laughable argument, yes.

>>53332204
>Honor
>Not Virtue

Boi. If anon's (The one who wanted the event deck) plan to upgrade it then you should definitely add Bitter Blossom and Sorin, Solemn which means basically virtue > honor

Side note: The modern event deck is actually pretty decent overall if you just want to jump into/start playing Modern.
Like the only crap card it has in is Shrine of Loyal Legions

>>53335446
The eldrazi lists were, i'll give you that, but it was in response to broken cards being printed. I don't believe death's shadow was being played at all before the PT, although prove me wrong if I am wrong.

>>53335477
Again, I am not moving the goalposts, you just don't understand what I am trying to argue.

>>53335503
>I am not moving the goalposts
You are, and there are quotes to prove it.
>you just don't understand what I am trying to argue
Then you are too incompetent to argue what you are trying to argue.

>>53335134
>hate cards actually hating on cards

Jesus man do you need someone to talk to?

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>>53335485
Mtg top 8 doesn't let me link to a search but here's a screen shot showing the date of the GP Death Shadow's list and the previous MTGO 5-0 lists (there's 2 lists that top 8'd the MOCS event as well).
Most of these lists run the typical 4 death's shadow, 4 goyf, 4 traverse, 4 mishra's bauble, etc, here's one for example: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14745&d=288734&f=MO
These decks started appearing even before the probe ban (with probe included however), slowly shifting away from the all in Death Shadow Zoo to a grindier jund style deck, another one for example: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14469&d=286678&f=MO

>>53335483
Honestly just mixed the two up. The modern event deck is far from the worst way to start and if you want to make WB tokens and you can find it for a reasonable price then, yeah, I guess, go for it.

How do china fakes look under light test?

>>53335597
>Honestly just mixed the two up
Yeah and guess what? You're still cute

>>53335673
they don't pass and a good portion of them look like crap without needing to examine closely

>>53335028
Disappointing.

In that case, should I go for Bant Eldrazi or Hatebears? My local meta is Junk midrange, delver shenanigans, affinity and burn.

In all honesty, I just want a deck that shits on affinity. I'm so sick of going 3-1 because of having a bad affinity matchup

>>53335776
I got some zendikar fetches, but they feel flimsy as shit and I don't have others to compare to.

>>53335920
Light test it and compare it to the check marks that others online post.

Also take it to your LGS and have one of the more qualified associates look at it with a loupe. That's how I get mine double checked sometimes.

>>53335920
invest in a loupe, they're pretty cheap to buy and you can learn a valuable skill. You can find a decent amount of info on what to look for online or have someone at your LGS show you.

Light and Bend test as well if you haven't already and compare to other ZEN cards you have for thickness.

>tfw 4-0 with mill again
Holy shot the tears are delicious. People are even talking about adding eldrazi to their boards just for me. Even got called cheap by a burn player after beating them. Modern is so fun right now.

>>53336071
Don't believe your bullshit, but mill away friend. Opponent's tears are like essential vitamin.

>>53336071

dude, i just went turn two electromancer, opp went to path it, i apostle'd blessinged it for free and untapped and killed them

modern is great friends

>>53336122
Does storm usually run that? If not that's some spicy tech. I'm stealing it.

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>>53336071
>tfw 4-0 with mill again
Sure thing champ

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>>53336071
>4-0
>Mill

Post decklist

>>53335450
>implying modern isn't the no fun cards allowed format

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I like Seance. If anyone gives me a deck list that can 5-0 a league online I'll give them 1 Bitcoin ($1700).

>>53336214
it's a relatively new addition to the storm deck, johnnyhotsauce (andrew shrout) was playing it in his list and i decided to test it out and good LORD it's insane

>>53336280
I'll take my money in dragon dildos thank you very much

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-four-color-seance-modern

>>53336004
>>53335944
Cool, I'll see if I can pick up a loupe at like rite aid or walgreens tomorrow. I compared them to some zen commons, they also feel flimsy as fuck, glue spread looks close..I don't know though. Might have time to stop by LGS.

>>53336344

This is my bitcoin address:

38UmuUqPCrFmQo4khkomQwZ4VbY2nZMJ67

Do you really want it this way?

>>53336278
Primeval Titan is only banned in EDH.

>>53335920
No other player is every going to be feeling your cards. If they do they won't notice through double sleeving.

I've been playing at fnm with the most shit looking opals. Nobody has noticed.

Best way to rice from a big box like Walmart/Target?

>>53336482
What?

>>53336490
Jocking their shit

>>53336490
ignore the child

>>53336493
What? English motherfucker, do you speak it?

>>53336482
Threaten them with your gun. The security is far less likely to stop you if they may die doing it.

>>53336482
what did he mean by this?

>>53336506
implanting it into your posh posh

>>53334028
Linear in what way?

>>53336506
>>53336531
how to heel hook the boxes off the shelfs

>>53336383
Please be serious rich anon

I've never done anything with bitcoin so do I post my receiving address or something?

>>53336645

Make me a real list and post your receiving address, yes.

>>53336667
I'm going to bed, rich anon. I'm not the other dude, but I will have a list for you in the morning.

>>53336667
Do I have to 5-0 a mtgo league with it personally or does it just not have to look like absolute jank?

>>53336706

Just not look like absolute jank.

>>53335707
Aw :3c

>>53336734
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/650559#paper

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/650556#paper

how about these?

Played UW control last night
>1-2 vs merfolk
>take game 1 because triple cryptic double verdict is good
>lose game 2 and 3 because unified will is a decent card and had some funky hands

>1-2 vs burn
>lose game 1 because I kept a slow hand, not knowing I was up against burn
>win game 2 because timely reinforcements is a savage card, and so is blessed alliance
>game 3 my first hand is 1 land and all my high cmc shit. mull to six finds 5 lands and a sphinx rev. keep a reluctant mull to five
>get stuck at 3 lands, sitting at 2 life
>blessed alliance in hand but he wont tap out so I know he's holding a skullckrack
>suspends rift bolt, I have to just go for it and see if he's bluffing
>skullcracked in response, dead. fuck.

>2-0 8rack
>cheese a win game 1 by locking him out of black mana with double spreading seas. he had swamp(island) urborg(island) mutavault.
>he still got super close to killing me. like one turn away
>game 2 I get as aggro as I can and slam gideon on curve, go to face with gideon and colonnade for 10. my clock is just faster than his this game

>1-0 jeskai nahiri
>40 minute game one. back and forth all ding dong day trading counters and removal
>I have to main phase a sphinx rev while he's tapped out to get the gas I need but it pays off at the end when colonnade and fat elspeth take the game
>opponent tells me he really doesn't want to try and rush a second control mirror, he's too tired for this shit so he signs 0-2 on result slip

disappointed about bad luck in first two rounds but I think I can do better next week. I have never played against 8rack before and that deck is literally the cardboard embodiment of anxiety. jesus fuck. Don't forget to like and subscribe!

>>53336250
he can't because he's claiming a deck with almost no generic mana costs is benefited by electromancer

has there ever been a good explanation on why we've yet to get an Eidolon of the Great Revel reprint?

>>53338683
>WotC
>In charge of reprinting shit
>In charge of explaining shit
Take some time to think about what you said.

>>53338683
It was printed very recently?

>>53338683
Because it was printed for the first time only 3 years ago nigger

>>53338683
Iconic masters :^)

>>53338683
>cant afford a $10 card
Are you playing FNM at the local homeless shelter?

>>53338683
It's not that expensive or old and the name prevents it being printed in a standard set until return to theros

>>53338510
>play shitty meme deck
>beat shittier meme decks
>get efuckulated by actual good decks
Wow really made me think

>>53332769
If you're still around, this is the list i've been fooling around with:
24
2x Island
2x Swamp
4x Polluted Delta
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3x Darkslick Shores
4x Watery Grave
2x Creeping Tar Pit
4x Darksteel Citadel
1x Academy Ruins
1x Inventor's Fair

18
2x Mana Leak
3x Inquisition
4x Thoughtsieze
2x Damnation
2x Fatal Push
3x Thirst for Knowledge
2x Whir of Invention

12
4x Thopter Foundry
3x Sword of the Meek
2x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Engineered Explosives
4x Talisman of Dominance

6
4x Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
2x Lilianna of the Veil

Back again.

Considering my meta has only 2 or 3 people that actually run fetchlands, would it be smarter to build hatebears or finish bant eldrazi?

>>53340277
bears

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Why isn't cheerios T1? It looks resilient enough, and it can have some of the best control tools it needs to succeed if you go UW.

>>53341053
Chalice

>>53341053
I take Chalice for 500

>>53341053
Discard, tarfire, discard, k command is a pretty rough series of events

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>>53341076
>>53341106

Oh, come on now. How many decks realistically run chalice? You're also playing white, you could easily get rid of it before going off.

>>53341199
Why don't you just play test it and you'll see why it's not good?

>>53341199
>How many decks realistically run chalice?
Like a lot of decks? There's a reason why it's 50+ dollars

>>53341393
how many modern decks run it though? Three at most?

>>53341458
Eldrazi decks and Sun & Moon are the ones that will maindeck it, but it's also a very popular sideboard card since it's colorless.

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How good is Sculler in Modern?

>>53341747
About 3.50

>>53341747
It sees some play in Eldrazi & Taxes (where it can be abused). In general, it dies to bolt, path, push, and artifact removal.

Name combo decks that don't rely on creatures.

I'll start:
>Ad Nauseam

>>53341939
Hive Mind

>>53339212
y r u so mean

>>53341939
living end

>>53342097
>that don't rely on creatures

>>53342119
titanshift

>>53341939
Taking Turns

>>53341939
burn

i mean it casts creatures sometimes but it can win without them no prob #bestcombo

Survey time, for science!
http://www.strawpoll.me/13006237

Let's see what we've got in here.

>>53342544
Since half (Or rather 75%) is not an option, I put one.

my zoo is technically playable, just mana screws very easily thanks to lack of fetches/shocks.

>>53341939
Technically thopter sword. It just makes creatures

>>53341939
U/B mill
I'm sorry....I will go back to the corner

So I'm seeing that SCG has a format called Team Constructed, where one person plays Standard, one plays Modern, and one plays Legacy. There are no unified construction rules.

Can someone explain what the point of a format like that is? There's no puzzle to solve like Team Unified whatever. You're literally just tying your fate to other people playing a different format.

>>53343538
They needed to keep legacy relevant

>>53344064
Then they shouldn't have banned top

>>53344309
SCG doesn't control bannings.

>>53344309
They had to anon, a guy put a SIGN outside the office. How were they supposed to respond to that? I mean it's not like there were bans that hurt only miracles while still keeping it alive without needless killing other decks as collateral damage.

I don't get why wotc bans cards while printing answers for them.
Top banned the day harsh mentor comes out
Felidar banned the day hate is printed
Copter is banned the day more removal is printed

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Is there a legitimate reason to be playing Jund over Abzan right now? Recently built Jund and fatal push just seemed to put Junk over the top

I'm watching Grand Prix Montréal right now. Why is it so fucking hard to provide a way to look at the decks of the players on screen? I can't see shit.

>>53344722
I really can't think of one. Path and souls are really good right now and you get the usual white silver bullets as well which are great.

>>53344620
Because their ban decision are dictated by how much reddit bitches

>>53344620
>Felidar banned the day hate is printed
No. Felidar was banned after Amonkhet was released onto mtgo and the metagame just kept shifting towards copycat.

>>53329263
This is shit is nuts in Lantern post-board

Anyone wanna help me out? Been doing well with this so far.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-02-17-modern-tezz/

>>53338152
Why don't these lists run obzedat?

Something like esper goryo/seance type of thing might be almost playable.

>>53336296
Seems sweet, 0mana protection spell can put a wrench in interactionfags plans

>>53341106
>>53341076
>not running Displacement Wave/Hurkyls to handle mainboard Chalices

>>53344620
Felidar HAD hate since before it was released. It still won.

>>53345577
>interactionfags

What a world we live in

>playing against fat guy with heavy lisp
>"I CAD INQUIDISHON OF WOZZLEKEK"
>start laughing
>he tells store owner I'm mailing fon o hid bidiliby
>store owner asks me to leave
>everyone giving me the stink eye as I walk out

you ever goof it up on the player interaction side, /tg/?

>>53346123
What kind of autismo just laughs in someone's face like this? Control yourself you sperg

>>53346243
but it was funny lol

>>53346100
Interaction is fucking gay. Fuck counters.

>>53346371
i agree with this anon, let me kill you on turn 3 in peace

thoughtseize is such a gay card

>>53345495
Because the copy just gets exiled and it's already topheavy enough as is. I tried doing a reanimator style deck but it was really janky even compared to what we already have in modern. Most of the other lists I've seen are doing something similar to those too. Pack rat is really good in these decks and can just run away with games by itself but when you get seance going with it most people are already exhausted from the previous pack rats and other cards.

>>53346371
>interaction is only counters

And here we see /tg/ in its natural habitat, knowing literally nothing about magic

>>53346405
Honestly, Wizards has recognized that nobody except smelly autists likes to play with, or against unfun catch all counterspells and I hope they wake up and realize that this 1 mana rape your hand is almost as bad. "Oh I get to look at your hand and take the best card along with free info SO MUCH SKILL HAHAHA" is almost as bad as the draw go autists that ruin the game. I hope they actually try and make magic fun again.

>>53346559
>make magic fun again
>spells have only gotten weaker and creatures have only gotten more powerful

I too hope they return to when you had to actually acknowledge someone was sitting opposite you while you both counted to 20

>>53346620
>spells have only gotten weaker
Good, when spells were so powerful that you coud run creatureless decks, you have a problem. And frankly most spells have an absurd powerlevel so they needed to be toned down compared to creatures. I mean how do they expect you to win in a reasonable manner if all the spells are OP as hell and bog the game down.

>I too hope they return to when you had to actually acknowledge someone was sitting opposite you while you both counted to 20
Oh never mind, it's a "muh interaction" fag. Move along people and try not to upset the autist trying to bog down the game and control it because he has no control over his real life.

>>53346687
Oh my God fucking end your life you moron. You are scum

>>53346687
>he actually cannot fathom winning without creatures
Wew

>>53346687
>no control over his real life

Says the autistic faggot complaining about a card game on a Cambodian Shadow Puppetry newsletter

>>53346687
This post may just be the perfect storm of mtg autism. Do not end your life, keep posting, we need more data so we can better learn how to wipe retards out of the gene pool.

>>53346701
>>53346768
>>53346795
>>53346833
Not an argument

>>53346452
Oh, seance is just making a token, you can't keep it for good like you can with goryo.

>>53346842
>argument

Ugh.

>>53346842
We aren't arguing, anon, it's not socially polite to argue with retards.

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Watching the SCG Team Constructed Open really shows how terrible the current Modern is.

The majority of Legacy matches are long and grindy with lots of interaction while Modern is 90% Solitaire vs Solitaire.

Anyone who says that interaction is too strong has to be trolliing at this point, I mean Modern is
on average probably even faster than Vintage at this point because interaction is so bad in comparison to all the different threats and combos.

>>53346842
And here he lets his autism flare, giving the only answer he possibly could to try and save face

>>53346900
>>53346908
>>53346937
Not an argument retards try again. For people who call someone who made perfectly valid points retarded you sure do seem to avoid making any points yourselves and instead opt for namecalling. Perfectly showcases the autism of Interaction fags at it's finest

>>53346687
>How do you win if spells are more powerful than creatures
Just look at legacy, they have many of the most powerful spells ever and creatures still rule the format. Having some powerful spells would not hurt your precious zombie deck, anon.

>Interaction is bad
Interaction is literally the only thing that keeps this game from degenerating into goldfish for your t2 combo: the game. You DO realize that the strategy that thrives the most on zero interaction is combo, right?

anyone who thinks interaction is good is dumb, getting your hand picked apart and getting all your stuff killed and all your stuff countered feels a lot worse than just dying on turn 4

>>53346960
Your points were fucking stupid anon, and only this >>53346977 autist was retarded enough not to see through your faggotry

this is consistently the worst general on the board, and is vying for one of the worst generals on this site
I fucking loathe every single one of you autistic cocksuckers and I wish only the very worst for you

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>>53347024
Then leave. You're the biggest idiot if you think this and still hang around

>>53347024
Shut up and get on this "interaction is bad" meme, there's only so many time tweedle dee can say something isn't an argument

>>53346992
>y-y-your points were dumb that's why I didn't (couldn't) argue against them
Sure thing champ

>>53346977
I never said "interaction was bad" the whole point of that post as pointing out that when the "interaction" is busted that it dampers creature strategies like it historically has been that is bad and unhealthy for the game.

>legacy
Still littered with powerful and unfun cards and only the most cutthroat creatures are able to survive in that environment.

>>53347024
I can think of quite a few generals that are worse than this one. I'd agree that this is one of the worse generals on board though

>>53347024
>/tg/ is awful at magic
>/tg/ making a general about being a tryhard is awful
Who knew

>>53347089
>/tg/ is bad at magic meme
These threads are usually fine but every once and a while we get a live retard like Opal guy and this one.

>>53345168
Someone help pls.
Match reports from today:
2-0 Esper Goryo's
2-0 Grixis Death's Shadow
1-0 BUG Death's Shadow (Opponent dropped)
2-0 RG Eldrazi
2-1 Mardu Midrange
Closest match by far, lost g1 to Nahiri into Emrakul, assembled thoptersword on turn 2/3 next 2 games. Looked grim g2 Inquisitioning and seeing Thoughtseize, Inquisition, Stony Silence AND Kommand

>>53347058
And which interactive spells in Modern are busted?

There is ONE single tier 1 deck in Modern that can be considered interactive(DSJ), is that too much for you?

>>53347058
>Interaction isn't bad like I've been saying, it's only bad when it hampers my deck
Anon, don't be a fucking retard, I leveled with you and gave you a chance to elaborate when everyone else just discarded your shitty opinion. Don't make >>53346992 right by making me the retard for actually talking to you. Creatures have NEVER, in the history of magic, been held down by spells. Creatures have only ever been held down by being shitty cards themselves. They weren't mediocre in old-ass magic because they were outclased by god tier spells, they were mediocre because Masticore was legitimately considered the best creature ever printed at one point, think about that. No one cares about creatures being more prominent, we just want spells that are competitive and don't revolve around supporting creatures.

>w-w-well legacy is bad because powerful cards
Anon I fucking told you to stop being a retard, now I have to tell you to stop moving the goal posts

Should I build living end?

>>53347162
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern/full/spells

More than just one deck champ try again

>>53347190
So if a deck plays 30 creatures and 4 path it's interactive?

>>53347202
Not an argument, your point was that only one t1 deck uses hand rape whereas this shows that busted interaction is more of a problem

>>53346933
Honestly I rather have this than a meta that is blue decks vs nonblue decks like legacy and vintage

>>53347202
Duh, every deck should just play like a pile of draft fodder and clog the board with 20 creatures.

>>53347162
thoughtseize is busted
inquisition is busted
bolt and path are busted
push is busted
abrupt decay is busted
collective brutality is busted

also death's shadow jund is way too good because it can play most of these busted cheap interactive spells AND still kill you on turn four

>>53347262
Clearly you just don't like modern. Go play standard.

>>53347176
I never said interaction was bad and certainly never said anything about it specifically hampering my deck, try again.

>creatures have never been held down by spells
Combo winter, UW control standard and many more

>we just want spells that are competitive
And you can't get really achieve that without printing overpowered cards that are legacy tier or warp the format similar to what thoughtseize did in standard.

>>w-w-well legacy is bad because powerful cards
No it's bad because those powerful "interactive" cards warp the format so much that only the most hyper efficient creatures can survive. I never said it was bad because powerful cards I said it was bad because the powerful interactive cards warp the format and hurt the viability of other decks.

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>>53326874
wrong

>>53347292
i love modern, i guess i overreacted about the removal spells being too good (bolt, path, push, decay, i think those are fine) but all the other cards just produce miserable gameplay for the other player, getting all your spells countered, all your cards ripped from your hand, and having all your creatures die is never fun

>>53347181
do you have other decks to play in the format>

>>53347324
Anon your entire argument was that interaction is bad and slows the game down. When I reminded you that combo is what thrives without interaction you started saying how only """""broken""""" interaction is bad. You didn't have to say that interaction hurts your deck, it was obvious.

>combo winter and UW control
Combo winter resulted in an emergency ban, clearly everyone regards that as a mistake. And don't even try to pretend like Sphinx's Rev for 15 was actually an oppressive thing, in both protours it was a part of it only won Gatecrash and it was the only deck of its kind in top 8.

>can't have good spells unless they're op
Why not? Because you said so?

>interaction warps the format
It doesn't warp the format you mouth breather it means you can't just sit there and LITERALLY ignore you opponent while goldfishing your combo. Yes, powerful cards mean you can't play shitty ones against them and win, what's the fucking problem?

>>53347492
Neither is not getting to play before your opponent beats you down. Control is nowhere near as oppressive as you make it sound.

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>>53347492
>Having all your creatures die is never fun

That's what the counter spells are for

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>>53347634
FUCKING NORMANS

>counter spells are to protect creatures
they're to stop creatures

>>53347705
It's almost like creature decks can run ways to interact too!

>>53325826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3718929301&feature=iv&src_vid=xP6CIeAVyII&v=rhETeTVCHQ8

>>53347728
Cool idea, I'll just make a deck with creatures and counters to protect them. It's a good thing all colors have decent access to counterspells and heavily promoting their use doesn't warp the format to a single color.

>>53347760
>counterspells are the only way to interact

>>53347790
Counters and discard are the only good ways of protecting creatures. Effects like blossoming defense are not nearly versatile enough, and even when they work perfectly you don't gain any tempo or card advantage. Infect is the notable exception, and as you can see from the comparison of modern and legacy lists they'd still prefer to run counters over hexproof effects where it's an option.

Just wanna say thanks to you all here in the modern general. Ive saved hundreds on cards based on your perspectives and brought my deck building strengths to a point where without help it would have taken decades of play to get to the point I am at now.

StandardFag here!
kinda interested in modern.
whats the most degenerate, uninteractive, table-flip inducing, deck I can play?

thx

>>53347936
tron

>>53347961
This

t. Tron player

>>53347961
thx, checking it ouT

>>53347936
ad nauseam is even harder to interact with than tron if that's what you're going for

>>53348125
The way to interact with Ad Nauseam is to kill it :)

>>53347906
There's also Thalia/Voice effects, or Resto/flikerwisp, or killing them before they do their thing, or mana denial (admittedly pretty bad in modern, but ponds does exist). I'd these options combined with counters/discard aren't enough for you in really not sure what you're looking for.

>>53347521
Yes. Affinity and Storm. Why?

>>53348228
>killing them before they do their thing
Oh, I thought you were talking about ways of protecting your creatures that don't make legacyfags have a hissy fit and demand we warp the format around what they want. I have no problems with the state of creature decks in modern personally.

>>53348321
>still bitching about muh format warping interaction
Jesus shut your god damn mouth or reply to the anon who was schooling your fucking butt buddy.

>>53348321
Right, but any creature deck is also running some kind of interaction or it just gets barreled over by storm or grishoalbrand or whatever combo deck on turn 2. The claim that interaction is oppressive and forces creatures out and isn't fun against all your creatures missed the point that literally every creature deck (except maybe affinity) has something to disrupt their opponents game plan. I'm again not sure what you want here, or even really what you're complaining about.

>>53348410
I'm not the anon that complained about thoughtsieze, path, etc. I came into this conversation later than that.
>>53348429
My original point was strategies that revolve around protecting your own creatures rather than playing more creatures should not be promoted within the modern format as most colors lack the effective tools for these strategies. When such strategies become the norm, diversity of creature based strategies plummets, which you can see in legacy where delver is in 30% of decks.
In any format where you power up interaction sufficiently (not that modern is one of them) the variety of creature decks will be vastly lowered, and the ability for creature decks to include their own interaction does not fix this.

>>53348544
>you should just slam creature until you win and play no spells
Literally just fuck off you mongoloid

>>53348618
>creature decks should just be spell decks featuring delver while spell decks are spell only decks
You seem to be in the wrong thread here buddy, you need to fuck off back to the legacy general

>>53348644
You need to fuck off to kitchen table
>whining about delver in a modern thread
This surpasses mox opal shit

>>53348658
Lmao this

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>>53348658
It's honestly worse because I'm pretty sure this is serious unlike Opal guy who just lead everyone along for a thread

>>53325826
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/infinite-combo-norin-sisters/
This is the deck I'm currently working with, it's been through a ton of different versions and I really can't come to a decision and how I want it to be.
Also, don't recommend me Arid Mesa unless you'd be willing to give me the money for a playset.

>retard finally btfo so he stops posting

>>53348785
opal guy posted for way more than one thread

>>53349089
It got memed for more than one thread. I'm fairly confident that it wasn't him due to the change in rhetoric. People just wanted in on the (you)'s

>>53348803
YOU SHOULD IMPROVE YOUR MANA BASE WITH ARID MESA

>>53348803
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

>competitive general
>no one even plays a competitive deck
Really makes me think.

>>53349655
>magic general
>nobody even plays magic
Really makes me think

>>53348544
Delver is strong in legacy because blue is strong in legacy. If each color got its own signature method of protecting its creatures then the game would be much better.

>>53349795
but anon, they do!
>green: instant speed hexproof
>black: recursion invalidates removal
>white: indestructible
>red: creatures are so bad they're not worth removing

>>53346687
This is the greatest post ive seen on here. I dont care if its a shitpost its brilliant.

>>53346933
Fuck off legacyfags your format is dying and I thank Wizards every day for the reserved list. No one likes playing around gay ass blue cards like Daze.

>>53346933

>legacyfags shilling their shitty format in the superior format's general thread

why don't you autists kill yourselves or something. you'd be more useful there than shilling a shitty format that nobody can afford

who /storm/ here?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/629452#online

this list is super sweet, i've been testing it and only one pif and no empty main looks weird but it's actually pretty good

>>53350301
I do. Playing around cards makes me think.

>>53348803
You should have just said "Besides Arid Mesa, what else can be improved?".

But no, you had to be a faggot and trigger the $$$$$ tryhard autists

>>53350540
>playing around shit they always could have
Theres no "playing around FoW" the only thing you can do is try to push spells you dont mind being countered first. See I can accept playing around counterspells because you have to analyze what mana they have up.

>>53351622

You are terrible at magic the gathering.
Please go.

>>53351622
>there's no playing around this counterspell that is literally only usable because it keeps degenerate combo decks from comboing off turn 1

Cards are the most valuable resource

>>53351734
>>53351764
t. Butthurt interactionfags
Dont you have some $500 lands to be buying legacucks?

>>53351773
>I don't actually know what I'm talking about so I will call them cucks to make it look like I was trolling the whole time

>>53351786
Its ok blue babby one day im sure Wizards will reprint Counterspell in Standard, only itll cost UUUUUUUU

>>53351821
>blue is only for counters
Are you done embarrassing yourself?

>>53351906
Blue is such a shallow color almost more so then Red
>cantrips
>bounce spells
>counters
And thats it why cant they rework blue a little?

>>53351985
Because wotc sucks and keeps giving blue meme cards like as foretold, biovisionary and that stupid super delver card

>>53351985
Whir of invention is a cool new blue card

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Alight guys. Is sun and moon a meme? I want to pilot a deck containing SSG, Blood Moon and Chalice before I die. So much other sick shit too.

Example list http://decks.tcgplayer.com/magic/modern/dariusz-szylman/sun---moon/1282867

Seems like the kind of thing I'd enjoy adjusting for a meta. Even if it doesn't pan out, there's zero core pieces I feel bad about investing in.

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>>53352044
This guy is actually a baller in bluemoon-type decks. On par with Dank Dwellers for acceptability on Blizzard's part.

>>53351622
>Theres no "playing around FoW" the only thing you can do is try to push spells you dont mind being countered first.
Boseiju, Who Shelters All, fag

>>53351985
If we only consider the past couple years, Red is probably the deepest color in Magic. It doesn't do much well, but it does almost everything.

- exploiting ETB effects
- removal
- card filtering/looting
- interaction with all card types except enchantments
- rituals/ramp
- going wide
- going big
- going fast
- combat tricks

The only thing it doesn't really do is interact with cards or effects on the stack or the graveyard - and recently it even has achieved minor graveyard interactions with flashback and madness.

Again, considering only the recent years, the colors have lost much of their flexibility to Red. Black no longer rituals, white is basically just anthems, green hasn't changed but it's been rule-breaking bullshit since the beginning, and blue hasn't changed much either. Red does everything, not well, but the most important part is that it justifies using the color simply because of the density of options the color presents. It cannot remove or wrath as well as white or black, but it probably does a third useful thing those two can't do well.

>>53352153
>not cavern of souls naming Speghetti
my family...

>>53352163
split cost RR/BB
sorcery
aggressive downside.
situationally remove white enchantment, specifically leyline.

coming soon in planar choas 3(tm)

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Best format for dragons? Modern? EDH?

>>53352443
Legacy.

>>53352443
EDH my nigga, I don't even like the whole dragon theme but god damn Scion of the Ur Dragon is fun

Is infect really dead without probe?

I know the information is nice to have, but why can't they just replace probe with Street Wraith? All they care about getting to become immense.

>>53350380
Buying into Legacy isn't really any more expensive than securing a GBx deck in Modern. D&T is $1k, Elves a little more, RB Reanimator $800.

>>53352443
Legacy dragon stompy

>>53349813
>red: creatures are so bad they're not worth removing
god i wish this were true, running built to smash to outpace a deck with bolts is the most embarrassing thing i've ever done

>>53350286
It's literally Maro and you know it.

>>53347455
This in ensnaring bridge decks
Mmm

>>53354015
Cant you autists fuck off with this shit. Nobody here wants to play your "muh FoW" format.

>>53354015
Also
>comparing the most expensive Modern deck to the very cheapest Legacy deck
Why dont you at least be honest? Modern in reality is about a $600-900 format. Legacy is more like $1500-2000

>>53350848
If jokes trigger them I can't help it.

>>53354428
It is an objective fact that there are modern decks much more expensive than current top legacy decks. On average yes legacy is more expensive than modern but the difference isn't so extreme that people can meme "lmao dude better get a second mortgage rotflmaowtfbbq XDXDXD"

The real problem is that it is difficult to find people to play legacy with so you don't get to put your purchase to use as frequently as a modern deck.

>>53355899
Legacy meta game is trash now.

>>53334188

>reading comprehension

>>53355899
The most expensive Modern decks are Jund and Abzan, which are in the $1500 - $2000 range. The majority of Modern decks are less than $1k. I only see a small handful of Legacy decks that are cheaper than Modern Jund / Abzan, with most being much more expensive (over $2000, with some even being over $3000).

It's not a small difference.

>>53356804
BUG decks and lands are the most expensive in legacy, similar to BGx in modern. They are the only decks that consistently break 2500+.

U/x not bug decks fall around $2000, mostly because blue duals are the most expensive. Everything else is $1000-1500 on average.

Here's a fun game, take an average modern deck and replace the shocks with duals and watch the price gap between the formats shrink. Dual lands are the largest cost barrier to the format.

>>53356929
Duh? The reserved list is exactly the reason why people don't play legacy.

I could spend $300 on 1 land or I could get an entire playset of a strong card that let's me build a whole deck around.

>>53356929
I'm looking at prices on mtggoldfish right now, and $1000 - $1500 is not the average. It's funny that you would say "everything else" since it looks like most decks use blue. Moving over to the Modern section shows just how much cheaper the top Modern decks are compared to the top Legacy decks.
>Dual lands are the largest cost barrier to the format.
And they can't be reprinted, whereas shocks can. Duals will only get more expensive (unless the formats that use them shrink).

Modern is substantially cheaper than Legacy.

>>53356929
So because it's lands driving the price up it doesn't count?
>replace modern cards with legacy cards and the prices are similar
Lmao no shit