Was DOW III any good?

>>53325395
Not yet.
It has potential but they'll need to change a lot of thing for that.
Units have SC2 level of durability while Elites have WC3 heroes level of power.
SM current meta is basically spamming scout and assault marines, tacticals are currently the worst unit of the game and SM the weakest faction.
Ork are perfect though and they announced their intention of adding a Last Stand mode.

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Depends on how much you liked the previous games. People who loved DoW 2 hate it, people who loved DoW 1 go either way.

I personally think it's pretty good, the Elite system opened up a lot of units that we would have never seen in a video game otherwise. Kind of disappointed by the lack of factions, but they'll obviously keep adding more in expansions. Units are too fragile, you can lose an army if you're not paying attention.

I think it will get better after a few game balancing patched.

And anyone who says it's a MOBA is fucking retarded.

>>53325395
I was hoping for more out of the story mode. Deep down inside I was hoping the twist Would be necrons instead of chaos. But it's always chaos. But that only goes to prove GW's point of how neglected chaos is in the fluff :^)

>>53325395
Not particularly. They tried to put together DOW II and DOW I, which would have been perfect (massive armies from large protected bases, mixed with a few awesome elite units).
But they failed to do so. Instead they shoved in some MOBA hybrid, made base building absolutely horrible, put in the strangest resource collection I've ever seen, and failed to balance units (nothing like getting mowed down by Eldar).
They tried to do what people wanted. And failed in doing so. Even the armies are pathetically small, and most elite units are passed up for the big hitter (which the Eldar currently seem to have the best one for).

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>>53325542
>Deep down inside I was hoping the twist Would be necrons instead of chaos.
At least we aren't getting Chaos in the expansion.

Nope.
Weakest game in the series

>>53325612
>At least we aren't getting Chaos in the expansion.
Why not both?
If it's going the Total Warhammer way then it's going to be a trilogy, they can add 3 factions each time.
>implying there's still people willing to buy potential expansion

>>53325395
It's good, but it's not currently worth $80, and it will be much better when they add more stuff. I would wait to buy it on sale if you're slightly interested

>>53325395
>No IG faction

it's shit.

>>53325395

Loved 1, kinda liked 2.

So far very disappointed with 3.

>>53325661
It was 50% off 5 hours ago.

>>53325540
>And anyone who says it's a MOBA is fucking retarded.
Only playable multiplayer mode is MOBA with controlled creeps where you must destroy towers and core instead of base.

>>53325681
They never have IG in a vanilla dow game. You always get them in expansions

>>53325395
Suffers from the same issue fallout 4 had
Fallout 4 was a alright game, but a shitty fall out game.

DoW III is an alright game but a shitty dawn of war game.

>>53325717
Dam it's already on sale? I shouldnt have pre ordered it. The gameplay itself is really good, but it needs more factions and more maps. $80 was a total rip off, but $40 is pretty reasonable

>>53325395

I have completed Hard campaign.
I have played at least 50 multiplayer games by now.
I have leveled up almost every hero to level 10 by now.
I have a youtube channel with like 25-30 gameplay videos.

Its not good. Not really. It reminds me of Command and Conquer 4, where you ultimately spam to win. In that sense, it feels like a spin on a traditional RTS - which can be fun. But ultimately its not what DoW or DoW2 were all about.

I personally think the one thing which really fucks DoW3 replayability over is how the focus on power cores as the ultimate goal is tied to the elite points summoning system. A good player can come back from a resource deficit, but doing it while fighting an early tier 2 or tier 3 elite as a result of players rushing down power cores early is insanely difficult.

As the game is right now, I can't recommend it. I enjoy spamming tier 3 units right now, but I'll probably drop the game this week.

>>53325542
>But that only goes to prove GW's point of how neglected chaos is in the fluff :^)
Chaos have destroyed Cadia and literally ripped the entire galaxy in half with a warp rift

>>53325828

And Magnus' task force got the closest to the Golden Throne than any Chaos warhost in 10k years.

>>53325763
Where do you live? I preordered my copy for $33 US from cdkeys.com, but I'm not sure if region locks would have screwed over non-americans.

>>53325861
Not to mention big red also pulled his demon world Into real space.

>>53325774
I'm hoping relic was serious when they said they'd release different game modes pretty soon after launch.

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>>53325748
>The only playable multiplayer mode is a MOBA that is completely different from a MOBA.

>>53325998
your a special kind of retarded I see

>>53325774
Next patch is supposed to be released on the 24th.

>>53326033
>MOBA spouter
>your a special kind of retarded
way to prove him right, retard

>>53325939

Ironically, the only significant mode I think anyone would give a shit about is a MOBA mode.

>>53325828
Anon, he's sarcastic.

DoW3 has the perfect framework for a Last Stand game.
Hopefully they also add an X Hero Siege mode.

>>53325395
It's not an RTS. It's a fucking joke game dumbed and nerfed down till you hit rock bottom. Because they want to baby players hard you LITERALLY CANNOT RUSH EARLY GAME. The whole RTS stategy of making a risky assault by sucking up all your resources into whatever you zergling variant is? Gone, literally incapable of being done in Escalation Phase 1.

Game is shit, nobody should buy it until they allow players freedom of strategy instead of enforcing one fucking way to play.

>>53326421
>can't do one retarded strategy so now game is shit and no one should enjoy it either
Why the fuck does DoW series attract so many worthless autists? It isn't even the good kind of autists that would math out some new crazy shit, it is literally the worst kind that just screams REEE at everything.

>>53326598
Don't be so harsh to yourself

>>53326598
Please tell me how limiting it equally to "escalation phases" so you actually can't tech up faster than the other guy or rush him is "only elminating one strategy". DOW 3 isn't about strategy, it's about forcing you to play one way, the approved way.

>>53326598

Because RTS games cater to ADHD addled kiddies. Turn based games appeal to the strategic mind.

RTS players just want to rush and end shit caters to it. These aren't the days of well thought out RTS games like C&C. So turn based games are best so far. That's where you go when you want true strategy rather than "LE EPIN ZERG RUSH I WIN! LEL XDDDDD".

>>53326711
You still haven't even figured out the game, but already spouting bullshit. You can tech faster than the other guy by taking the energy on the map early and defending those points while teching and denying your opponent.
You can also take the map by raiding the opponent's economy, use multiple opening to destroy the objectives and many more. I am not going to write a blog post to educate retards, but you are too simple-minded or simply stuck in starcraft mentality to understand how strategy in this game works.

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>>53326421

>freedom of strategy
>zerg rush

Pic related. It isn't strategy to do that. Especially since everyone knows the zerg rush shit these days. All it does is save you from screwing yourself over. Or were you relying on picking off literal retarded children with that rush? Top fucking kek.

>>53326598
>>53326685
>>53326711
>>53326753

>armchair rtstragists and armchair boardstrategists flinging shit at each other on an online board

>>53326822

Is there anything other than "armchair" strategy when it comes to RTS or TBS?

>>53326812

Its actually quite mathematical. The whole metagame (outside of elite points) is to make the opponent waste more resources than you. If you defeat the enemy enough times and transition to tier 3 with what you had in tier 1, then that is a vast resource deficit that the enemy would likely be unable to overcome - barring acts of complete retarditry like rushing a bunch of Eldar banshees into a Venerable Dreadnought.

No.
Give it a few years.

Is this game any good if i don't care one bit about multiplayer?

I never did

>>53326854

Practitioners, or people who actually play the game.

>>53326878
The campaign is the best part of it, but that isn't saying much. They pretty much decided to dumb the game down in order to pander to the Starcraft audience, and we got this mess as a result.

>>53326878
No, it is a multiplayer-focused game and with awful balance to boot. At lest there is a patch soon.

>>53326887

Yet people are discussing the games so clearly we have played it. For instance I play a shit ton of chess variants and other turn based strategy games. And roguelikes too. It's all armchair strategy because none of it is real.

>>53325395
The campaign is a massive disappointment, the multi-player is babies first RTS with a super forgiving early game and no rushing allowed, and the game itself is dumbed down a fair bit.

It's mediocre.

>>53326933
My space dudebros and eldar waifus are real.
;_;

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>>53326933

>Yet people are discussing the games so clearly we have played it.

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>>53326964

>board for traditional games
>finds it hard to believe people have played rts or tbs games

Just because you're a weeb shitposter who never played a game besides LoL or dota 2 doesn't mean we are all like you.

>>53327206

Your implication has as much validity as the implication that everyone who posts in a Warhammer 40k thread is actively playing Warhammer 40k. And if you believe that, then you live in a much happier world than any of us.

>>53326854
Dunno, SC and SC2 are too much of a clickfest to be "armchair" strategy.

>>53327254

Well 40k spans a lot. Books/lore, video games, tabletop games, etc. So clearly not everyone there will care about the one single game, but most do or at least have an interest in 40k to some degree.

But keep projecting because you don't play games and assume others don't. I even mentioned the games I played.

>>53327409

>I read a book about 40k, that makes me qualified to talk about 40k gameplay

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>>53327496

>takes an offhanded comment to mean I care about 40k at all and assumes I read a book and shit up the threads

Is that what you do?

>>53327551

What I do is point out that posters like you should refrain from posting about activities you don't even take part in.

>b-but it was just an offhand comment, it didn't mean anything

>>53327576

You said "hurr not everyone in 40k threads care about 40k!" and I said that they clearly care in some way since an interest in 40k spans a lot of different interests.

But clearly you're being obtuse on purpose, or asspained that people don't like 8th edition and think hating one game means hating all 40k games or all 40k tabletop games.

>>53326964
>>53327254
>>53327496
>>53327576
>make retarded post with smug anime girl to cover up your idiocy
>get called out
>STILL GOING
this is too funny

To anyone who played the game.
Which was your favorite theme from the soundtrack?

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All I want is a sequel to Dawn of War. Relic has yet to make one.

>>53325395
No.

Gorgutz was the best character.
>a super pointy stikk

>>53326904
>starcraft audience
what the fuck?
there's literally no mining or macro, units have a shit ton on activated abilities.
If anything it's more like wc3 but with squishy units

>>53326812
It is strategy. You have no idea what your opponent is building, and back in DOW 1 or DOW 2 days your zerg rush could be hard countered by shit like heavy bolters with suppression added in DOW 2 that would gut cultist spam. And there wasn't any thing as fucking stupid as escalation phases arbitrarily limiting shit and preventing rapid tech up from the start of the game.

Unsurprisingly DOW will always remain shit-tier compared to C&C or hardcore RTS.

>>53329196
good. it should remain so. C&C is dead, probably because the RTS genre was a frankenstein's monster of a genre that split into more focused games, just like with the FPS genre

>>53329123
I thought Gorgutz was too smart. He came off more clever than that Eldar Autarch dude and that should never happen

>>53329230
It still means we don't have a truly good 40K rts. The only way to make DOW 1 or DOW 2 truly good games is by modding them because Relic can't balance anything.

>>53329355
>balance
just like the tabletop eh?
The most popular mod for DoW1 is a bloat filled mess because it chucks balance out of the window. DoW3 is probably the most balanced game relic has released since CoH1 in terms of day 1 balance.
>>53329249
he was manipulated the entire time by the eldar or was looking to fight. The most kunnin he showed was when he killed his boss with the beam cannon. Gorgutz was a green booger macha threw at kyre to distract him while she rescued taldeer.

>>53329030
Ork theme is the best from the soundtrack, but music is barely audible while playing multiplayer so it doesn't even matter.

>>53329557
In general the orks are the best thing from this game.

Just play SC Remaster guys.

>>53329196
>C&C
>hardcore
lmao

>>53329416
>The most popular mod for DoW1 is a bloat filled mess because it chucks balance out of the window
There is no logic in this sentence, gb2 school

>>53326753
>literally what were GDI tank rushes

>>53325577
>thinks WC3 is a moba
leave

>>53326946
>a super forgiving early game and no rushing allowed
>vast majority of 1vs1 are over in under 10 minutes
???

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>>53325395
I like it, though it's probably not worth full price atm. While the campaigns fun and the multiplayer has some good shit, it gets kinda boring after a while because of how much the Power Core/Escalation Phase mode limits your options. It severely limits what you can do tactically, which is fine for new players, but it gets old fast for veterans of the franchise. That said, the Elites system is really awesome. It'll probably get better as they update and add new content for it. I also think it's definitely getting an unfair shake from the fanbase and I'm especially peeved at TB for saying the campaign was nothing but a tutorial for multiplayer after playing only two missions.

>>53325748
>>53326033
pic related

>>53331429
Not that guy, but if you establish enough map dominance early in the game, your opponent will often leave rather than fight an uphill battle they'll probably lose.

>>53331536
that's anything but a forgiving early game, friendo

>>53331551
I misunderstood what you were saying, my bad

>>53331513
Sauce of that pic. You know, in case some git from /v/ wants to scream "SHIIIIIILLLLLL!" just for pointing out DoW 3 is not complete garbage.

>>53331536
Not going to lie, I only play 3v3. Increased chance of having a literal retard on your team but on the upside you get big, epic fights that are more ridiculous. Like when you have six knights charging at the enemy with a horde of regular forces whilst a hailstorm of whirlwind strikes cleanse the soft targets.

>>53325748
Sure Riot, that's the only type

>>53325395

Going by steam statistics... no it's a collossal critical failure.

At first it went well and it had 25k players on release. It's usage statistics have gone through the fucking floor in less than a month however and it's now down to around 3k max a day.
Currently there is just over 1.8k playing.
DoW 2, Chaos Rising and Retribution only show 15k players on release but it took them each a FULL YEAR for their daily peak usage statistics to drop to less than 3k

DoW3 has managed this in LESS than a month.

There are more people playing Company of Heroes 2 on Steam right now, there are more people playing Medieval 2 on steam right now than there are playing DoW 3. There are even more people playing Kerbal Space Program right now than there are playing DoW 3.

Hell, there's more people playing American Truck Simulator right now than Dawn of War 3.

>>53327496
>/traditional games/

>>53331621
It was in a steam review. I don't know if I can get a link for individual reviews.

>>53331621
>>53331672
nvm got it
http://steamcommunity.com/id/cnquistador/recommended/285190

dow2's the best dow. debate me. you better have played it though

>>53331875
muh base building

>>53331903
base building is overrated, want to build bases go play with lego

>>53331933
The problem is base building has come to mean unit-production buildings that only serve as spawn points. What base building should mean is just that: building a base, with turrets, shields, energy and resource processing, shit like you find in age of empires and supreme commander. The full lego experience. If you're not going all the way then it may as well just be one buidling with upgrade options like DoW2 or Halo Wars 2.

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>>53331650

>>53332517
stop. it hurts.

>>53332364
thats the inherent problem with base building. like you said its usually unit spawn points. there is nothing wrong with removing those buildings and moving it to tier systems like dow2

>>53325395
from what I can tell its not as bad as everyone says it is, but a lot of DOW fans don't like it because it feels more like a MOBA than DOW 1 or 2

>>53332568
And spawn point positioning doesnt matter? Opportunity costs? Destroying said building to deny production and cripple reinforcements? Deny tech? Its all about the bigger picture. Base nuilding allows vulnerabilities to exploit. RTS shouldnt be about tossing your armies at each other.

>>53331004
>>53332517
>>53332636
Starcraft setting is strictly inferior to 40k and most of the older folk already logged hundreds of hours into the game. It would be boring and pointless to play it again, so what does it matter how it looks now?

>>53332938
>40k
>superior to literally anything

>>53333012
If you are on /tg/ then you already know that it is one of the best settings, if not THE best. Starcraft is literally "rednecks in space vs aliums" so it doesn't even come close.

>>53333146
wrong, starcraft is about how love triumphs over evil

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>>53325910
>$33 US from cdkeys.com
> Buying from those scammers
Doing the Chaos gods proud I see.

>>53332623
DoW2 plays a lot differently so those things aren't as valuable. It's more about positioning and map control and making sure your units trade well.

>>53325395
I played it for exactly 17 minutes
Asked for a refund
bought Stellaris.

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>>53333012
>>53333262
Starcraft as a setting is literally dumbed down 40k, so I dunno what you two are on about.

>>53333703
Is Stellaris worth $70 for the game + expansions?

>>53333784
Speaking as someone with 172 hours played so far, I feel like I've gotten my monies worth.
I'm quiet not sold on how the latest expansion has changed factions, I feel like there isn't enough that you can do as a player to influence them (I may just be missing something, I dunno).
It's not a perfect game but if you like space 4X it's probably worth a look. I'd definitely suggest looking up some actual gameplay footage on YT or somesuch to help you make up your mind.

It's alright.

>>53325748

You can already play different multiplayer.

>>53326421
>Game is shit, nobody should buy it until they allow players freedom of strategy instead of enforcing one fucking way to play.

Ok then buy it now. There's already standard skirmish modes playable in the workshop.

>>53333784
Dude, humble monthly. It's the current month. It's $12. Try the base. If you like the base, get an expansion. Like the expansions? Get more.

Zerg rush is meme. Its an all in strat that can be countered and leaves you at an enourmous disadvantage when it fails.

>>53333784
Yes, but you can get it cheaper if you know how to shop. As in, go to humble monthly and pick it up for $12.

>>53325998
Is... is that a Heavy from TF2 modded as a Blood Angel?

> "Oh my god, who touched Sasha... alright, WHO TOUCHED MY BOLTAH!"

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>>53325395
I just want a Space Marine 2

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>>53334607
That's a blood raven m8

>>53334611
This. Or at least something similar that isn't Eternal Crusade

Mac and Linux port releasing soon. Thanks Feral.

>>53334258
That's pretty cool, does playing with workshop content inhibit any game features though? Steamworks stuff like achievements and cloud saves or ingame elite levelling etc?

>>53334861

Not that I know of, though I haven't tried admittedly. I need to get back to the game and finish the campaign first.

AdMech DLC when?
Fucking chicken walker Dragoons and WARHOUNDS ready to mulch xeno filth.

>>53333641
Are you mixing up cdkeys with G2A? G2A are definitely scammers who sell stolen keys and if you buy from them you deserve to have you games deactivated, but I've never heard of similar stories from CDKeys, and I've bought from them for years without running into any problems.

As far as I know they just take advantage of the global market to get the cheapest prices, which, you know, is perfectly legal.

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>>53332364
>What base building should mean is just that: building a base, with turrets, shields, energy and resource processing, shit like you find in age of empires and supreme commander. The full lego experience.
Well then give MEGA the fucking Toy Licence already GW!

>>53335049
Well scamming might not be the most accurate term but it's still a fucking scummy business practice.

>>53325395
Did they ever explain why Gabriel is literally, not figuratively, the size of a Primarch?

>>53335157
It's just buying Russian keys m8.

>>53335189
He's an early reveal Primaris.

>>53335157
How do you figure?

>>53335189
So that he's easily recognisable when he's on the field. Same reason that Striking Scorpions are twice the size of Banshees. Gotta be able to see them through all the pretty particles.

>>53335189
He got Primaris marine treatment and it was super effective

>>53335243
Okay Doyle, what's the Watsonian reason?

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>>53335189
Pretty sure the lore is that he was severely injured during the battle with Azariah at the end of Retribution, and they turned him into a bionic giant like Calgar.

Either that or it's "heroic scale".

>>53335189
It's Wuxia scaling, important characters are bigger than mooks

>>53335243

>he thinks the average Striking Scorpion male isn't a huge buff eldar manly man who can pick up little banshee women and fuck them into the wailing doom with their primal aeldari dicks

>>53335295

Being cybernetically fused with Tartaros armor is the only explanation why he was able to not only survive the orbital bombardment of an entire Imperial space fleet, but also how he survived the 100000km fall to the planet's surface.

>>53335243
>>53335328
These are the real reason
>>53335295
>>53335261
These are good fluff explainations

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>>53325395
The game is flawed but I like it anyway.
I think the elite system has a lot of potential, and DoW3 can be the DoW game with the most 'legal' units without shitting too much on balance - because they can add doctrines and elites without too much influence on the rest, as you're always limited to 3 (well, 6 to be perfectly fair) doctrines and 3 elite units.
I know some people hate it but I love the rythm of this game too: fast and deadly, like I always imagined 40k to be.
Right now the problems of the game are (in my opinion):
- not a lot of content (factions have a lot of diversity which is cool and compensate for them being only 3 but 8 maps is simply not enough, campaign is rather short and there's almost no point in playing it again)
- the meta is already stale, with some units being spammed because they're the most efficient all-rounders. ASM are spammed, mostly because TSM are shit before upgrades AND they can be upgraded to powerswords really fast. This + low number of map = you always play the same games, despite the doctrines and elites which unfortunately don't change THAT much (mostly because everyone takes the most efficient cheese right now, unfortunately) (not taking an early-game elite is a death sentance)
- escalation and ressource systems work in weird ways, they're supposed to allow a player to make a comeback even if he lost hard in the first 10 minutes but right now it just doesn't work with even-level players, it only drags out the game

I think it has the potential to be the best 40k game ever. Shame it was trashed to the ground by retards crying 'lol MOBA' or 'TERMINATOR BACKFLIP REEEEEEE'

>>53335087
>Mega makes toy minis
>Posable, cheaper than citadel, pre painted
>Boxed with vehicles and terrain
>All to scale
I think I found out why, anon

>>53335243
>>53335371
It's true. Striking Scorpions are the epitome of manliness and could easily solo buttrape an Ork warboss (if they were into that, which they aren't).

Btw I asked my friend what the game was like. He said it was like League of Legends but you can control the minions. He said he liked it, but that he doesn't know much about 40k.

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>>53335858
Scorpions can indeed buttrape an Ork warboss (Gorgutz), buildings and many other things in the current game patch.

>>53335858
>He said it was like League of Legends but you can control the minions
is it your friend's first RTS?

>>53331650
>>53332382

Plus, keep in mind that this is in an era where Steam Refunds are a thing.

Looking at the owners charts at SteamDB reveals that in 3 days (May 12 to 15) almost TWENTY THOUSAND people refunded their copies of Dawn of War 3, and the peak owners numbers appear to be levelling out at 225k.
Now we can't compare this with previous DoW's because those charts only measure a few months not lifetimes, and considering the length of time the previous games have been out it's probably not fair to compare DoW3's 225k to DoW2's and DoW2 Retributions 1.8 Million EACH so that's why I went with Usage statistics since those do cover lifetime.

>>53335930

SS are one of the most fluffy units in the game, quite honestly. Its a pleasant surprise.

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No. They tried to take elements from DoW1 and DoW2 and combine them into single game, but then they dumbed down all of those elements to "Why Even Bother" levels, while simultaneously forgetting how a 40k game is supposed to look despite setting the standard with DoW2 and Space Marine.

The campaign is little more than a glorified tutorial with a hilariously predictable "story". The multiplayer is boring as shit and has way too many blatantly obvious MOBA influences. It's shit.

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>>53336571
>TTS shitposter
>didn't play campaign past 2nd mission
Congratulations, you have become the autism incarnate.

It carries on the DoW tradition of being too different from the previous game to be popular with the same people.

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>>53336609

>Defending this soulless e-sports cash-in pile of shit

Congratulations, you have become the "SEGA's target audience" incarnate.

>>53325577
That.

It is a bad RTS. Base building is horrendous, the tactical choices are poor, unit variety is nil, balance is mediocre, and the tier system prevents any player from getting any advantage. You literally can't win the game before the 30 minutes mark, when the latest tier is unlocked.

It is a fractal of bad design. There's so much blatant bad decisions in it, people like >>53325540 are either deluded or ignorant.

DoW 3 is a primer in what you shouldn't do in RTS design. They get away with it because most people either don't know better, or can convince themselves than everything with Space Marines in it is awesome.

>>53336614

Quite frankly the game would be fine if it centered around base wrecking in DoW1 or flag capping in DoW2. But the power core gameplay encourages early or sneaky cheeserushing of the cores, and offsets game balance with their existence. As a result, part of the meta is to avoid confrontations.

I loved DoW 1 because it was fuckhuge battles. I liked DoW 2 because it was squads going at it on a virtual tabletop. DoW 3 doesn't do either well at all.

>>53325395
from what i read? same as 2. Incredibly polarizing which either you will love it or loathe it. Though, seems the game is mimicking Warcraft 3 than anything at this point. Give it a couple of years though. it took 4 years for DoW 2 to really get the ball rolling with Retribution.

>>53329196
>C&C
>hardcore
>Rush a Bazillion Tanks to Win: The Game

i've played CnC for years and I loved it but you need to stop pretending it's gameplay is untouchable

>>53331033
Ultimate apocalypse is unbalanced garbo that people love to play because of compstomps. If we go by blizzard's data most people who play RTS games do that. The problem is that relic left players with nothing to do but grind on the ladder, which is why we are seeing dropoffs. People played the campaign and then uninstalled the game.

>>53335858
>He said it was like League of Legends but you can control the minions.
bravo

>>53336646
>he didn't play the campaign at all
Dawn of war 1's story was also "hilariously" plausible. At least we don't have chaosniggers shitting up the story until the very end of this game.

Game's breddy alright. Relic always changes a bunch of shit when they make RTS sequels and everyone always complains about it, but they're all fine games in their own right.

>>53336727
>tactical choices are poor
kek no. Heroes that synergise with armies change the meta completely. Having a Ironjaw killteam + gabe + jonah lends itself to a completely different game than a Jonah+Venerable dreadnought+Gabe. The biggest problem with space marines is that weapons upgrades for plasma weapons is too fucking expensive, you can equip ASMs with powerswords for that price.

And no, you can win the game within 15 minutes IF you know what you are doing. Good players harass each other's points all the time and try to sneak in and destroy shield generators and cores.
>base building is horrendous
bullshit. Basebuilding is incredibly varied as far as dawn of war goes with each faction's playstyle largely being defined by how their buildings function. Space marine buildings are run of the mill RTS buildings. Orks have the best defenses because of waaagh towers, which double as secondary resource generation and the eldar combo of portals, teleporting buildings and webway gates projecting fleet of foot is what makes their faction tick

>>53336781
Also this. DoW2 and CoH had large scale battles going on with the game trying to harass the victory points very well. The core system is completely superfluous to the game for the most part and seems like something relic decided to add in later. you can split the maps into 3 parts with a VP in the middle and play the game just as well.

>>53336571
>The campaign is little more than a glorified tutorial
So like DoW1's campaign, just not 4 hours long like that was.

>>53337258
wonder what people were expecting from dawn of war's campaign. I replayed them and realised how goofy the entire thing was. Relic handled the campaign pretty well for the most part, and Rohnan sperging out infront of macha was cute.

>>53333146
kek

>>53331650
Company of heroes 2 has had the best balance it ever had in a long time and there was a crowdfunded tournament going on at that time.

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>>53332382
I don't play computer games.
Is 2k players considered good or bad?

>>53337346

Yeah, but if you compare usage statistics at release, it took CoH2 four whole months to see a drop in usage statistics as bad as DoW3 has seen in less than 3 weeks.

I mean, it's worth noting that no other RTS game by Relic released on Steam had as many users on release. But as I said previously, with Steam Refunds that doesn't mean jack if it has many more days of 20,000 people refunding it.

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>>53329249
>implying

>>53337682
For a triple A title a month after release it's really, really bad. A bit less bad considering it's an RTS, but still

>>53337682
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Right now it's 97th for concurrent players on steam.

it's not great, but it's not dead by any means.

>>53337682
That's pretty damn abysmal for a new PC release actually. It has less players than For Honor, and that was considered a game that tanked fairly quick after its initial release.

RTS is fairly niche though.

>>53338044
For game that came less than month ago its very underwhelming.

I wish someone would just make "starcraft but different" instead of trying to dumb everything down, then back it up with proper support and regular + exciting patches. You can have some kind of fun mode for everyone else who doesn't want to 1v1.

We keep having these massive RTS flops (Grey Goo, Halo Wars 2, etc) that fail to capture either the casual audience or the people who still play RTS regularly because they want to be this weird Frankenstein halfbreed of RTS mechanics with baby bumpers on the sides so that newbies don't feel bad, which only end up limiting gameplay and making the game less interesting for RTS players while the MOBA/CSGO + Hearthstone/Overwatch crowd just continue to not give a shit. And every time this happens I feel like it's another nail in the coffin.

SC2 is finally at a point where it's a fully featured game with hardcore 1v1 with other options for people who are scared of that mode (a ton of people play co-op commanders apparently), but I feel like it's too little too late for that game,

>>53325612
I just want the necron overlord to be a true memester

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>>53337682
>>53338044
>>53338110
>>53338180

For a genre that's finished it's pretty impressive.

RTS is a dead genre because it's finished. It's completed it's work and should be laid to rest, because pic related happened. Every RTS since SupCom:FA is just a wasted effort.

>>53331429
Most of the points from lost units are refunded early in the match. Losing units is recoverable so long as you can manage to take resource nodes.

>>53341279
you must play against terrible players because losing early game units means you just lost all map control and resource nodes, since you can no longer defend them with an inferior force.

>>53335157
I'm a globalist myself. I don't think games should be cheaper in the states than in Europe, or cheaper in Europe than is Aussieland. If you can buy games for nearly half the prince in the states than in Australia, you should have every right to do so.

>>53340888
Fuck you I need my warcraft 4
I know they're going to Starcraft 2 the shit out of it though. Splitting the story into 4 expansions, having microtransactions in "optional" game modes, somehow fucking up the warcraft story even worse than WoW. But still, my nostalgia longs to command armies of spooky skellingtons again.

>>53340888
Muh Zero-K

>>53334646
Ah. So he doesn't have a bolter, he literally has HWG's gun.
I'm sure it was a gift.

>>53341550
Never happening, anon.
After Legion, the Warcraft universe is done. Gone. Put to rest.
They're setting up mechanics so that the last expansion can be played in perpetuity, like Diablo. No more advancement after that.
We all Overwatch now.

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>>53335856
>>Mega makes toy minis
>>Posable, cheaper than citadel, pre painted
>>Boxed with vehicles and terrain
>>All to scale
>I think I found out why
But that's just it, you can end up spending $4 USD PER FIGURE!

>>53338422
>Halo Wars 2
Halo Wars 2 was a flop?

>>53325395
No.

/thread

>>53325748
Leave the B-tier trolling for shittier boards

>>53341279
>>53341428

True in a 1v1, but there are second chances in team games. The nature of team games are such that 2v1 easily becomes a slaughter, so you only need to be more coordinated than the enemy with the proportionate amount of forces.

>>53338422
>Grey Goo
>flop

Why?

>>53338422
I stopped playing SC2 when I realized that multiplayer matches had basically degenerated into a constant state of rock-paper-scissors. You pick something to build, build it fast, and hope that your enemies aren't building the thing that roflstomps your army. Otherwise you're fucked.

I want Age of Empires 4

>>53347168
that's only because you're shit, it's not difficult to tell what the opponent is planning with basic scouting for most levels of play. and if they built everything, you ask? then they are very behind and if you're not bad, you can just destroy them with your efficient build

>>53342516
Considering Warcraft's brand identity, they could just utilize that and the plot point of alternate timelines being possible to make a fourth entry into the RTS series.

>>53341550
The issue with Warcraft is they tended to play favorites with characters. With Metzen retired, maybe it wouldn't be as shit.


Though, it'd be nice to see a remake of Final Liberation - or another Warhammer game in the same vein.

>>53336414
No, we used to play Age of Mythology back in the day.

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>>53337836
>master mind chaos lord who successfully locked off his whole sector got his genius plan actually ruined by a pirate-ork and his Commando that likes to hide in lava

>>53347104

If you wanted to play Grey Goo, you might as well play an RTS classic. At least Planetary Annihilation looked different and had a gimmick, even though it was a total scam in the end.

>>53347418

Not that faggot, but I couldn't live with vanilla SC2 competitive ladder play. I made it to Platinum before they released Diamond ladder. I would get so nervous constantly doing all the scouting and keeping up my APM that one day I just said fuck it I don't want to care anymore.

>>53334607
Did you honestly think that was funny enough to type out

You fucking suck

>>53342516
In fairness there's literally nowhere to go with Diablo after RoS.

I like DoW3 a lot, the factions have a ton of flavor. Its single didn't have a great story but that puts it in line with every other non Red Alert 2 storyline in an RTS. The multiplayer is fun but is missing a few featured which would be nice to have. In theory it'd all come in later updates, but the package is pretty complete as is.

It doesn't deserve a fifth of the hate it's getting. DoW fans have always been shitlords. They despised 2 and suddenly they love it and despise 3. They'd be unhappy with anything. It's too bad they're bombing the steam reviews, but this is kinda why community reviews on entertainment properties are garbage in the first place.


>>53349955
They set up you VS imperious and doing shit in the Skovos isles. Not sure why they didn't that game was one of the most successful PC games in history with like 22 million boxes sold. A second expansion would have sold well but blizzard seems allergic to money sometimes.

Best thing of DoW 3 is the WAAAGH banner Ability

>>53334611
>Titus joining the Deathwatch as a blackshield in penance and fighting Tau/Genestealers
>Titus Redemtor getting his own chapter and fighting Dark Eldar/Necrons

I am so with you, anon.