Is watching Critical Role a red flag?

>>53312944
you should except someone who has inferior taste in roleplaying shows

>>53312944
Honestly, I think people who complain about Critical Role watchers are a little obnoxious. It's not as bad as they say it is, just a little loose with the rules sometimes. That's required for D20 games at this point.

Does it give a false idea of what every game is like? I'd say most roleplaying shows do that, and it might be easier to just set rules and paramaters at the outset, rather than expecting new players to understand unspoken rules easily.

That's just my view on the situation.

>>53312944
You should expect to clarify that a few houserules from Critical Role (namely a couple carryovers from 3.PF, resurrection rules, and Matt Mercer homebrew classes) will likely not be featured in your game.

>>53312944
whats with all the Crit role threads lately? did it just explode or something?

>>53313127
This. Matt Mercer brought over a custom world and player characters from Pathfinder and converted it to D&D for the show.

Regardless, I think Critical Role has its merits and at least it's bringing interest to the game. Give them a shot so long as they know you're not Matt Mercer.

Despite thinking that Critical Role is cancer, i think you shouldn't be worried too much. Just make sure to tell them the game is not nearly as cinematic as Critical Role and that you actually do things beyond improvised acting.

>>53312944
I'd take a thousand Critical Role wathers rather than a single furfag, weeb, or other degenerate filth that roams /tg/.

First time players always have problems and misconceptions, regardless of whether they come from Crit Role, video games, anime and manga, popular fantasy (LoTR, GoT) or whatever else piece of entertainment turned them to TTRPGs in the first place.

You'll always have to disabuse some notions and new players always have trouble until they break out of the shell and let go of their beliefs as to what a TTRPG should be like.

Just don't sweat it and be patient, explain when they get it wrong and don't be too strict their first time around.

They shouldn't think what they see should be the same as the normal game

>>53313267
I'm a /pol/ter, would you take me?

As someone who trise to help noobs, a lot of them come from the show. They often get extremely disappointed on actually playing the game and quit after a session or two. It certainly can piss a lot of people off, but then again don't look for your groupmates on reddit.

>>53313351
I don't know about that anon, but I would.

If they think Ashley is the best member then it's a green flag. Red flag for Orion

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>>53313424
Let's fight degeneracy together then

>>53312944

Accept them, then bend them to your will until they are perfect fatguys... what does that entail again?

>>53313351
Yes. So I am but I hide it in game.

>>53313444
If they roleplay like Travis it's the patrician flag.

>>53312944
How about you just play with them to find out?

>>53313444
Travis>Ashley>Sam>Laura(Now)>Taliesin>Laura(before)>Liam>Orion>Marisha

mary elizabeth mcglynn best guest character.

So does this get better eventually? I tried watching the first episode and it was pretty boring.

>>53312944
It depends entirely on how they take it. If they view it as how D&D "should" be, that's a problem, especially if my DMing style doesn't match. If they just take it for what it is - some goofy voice actors having fun with a heavily homeruled game - I see no problem. I watch it particularly because Mercer's ability to improv inspires me, and while I don't take him as a model DM per se, I do try to learn from how he handles various situations.

>>53313351
I only wouldn't take you if like the aforementioned weeb and furfag you try to bring your interests & opinions into everything. I wouldn't even mind you DEUS VULT-ing at all, one of my gods is Zaurus.

>>53312944
>muh badwrongfun
No.

>>53312944
I legit point new players at Travis as to how to play a character, rather than yourself.

>>53315280
I was told to start with episode... 24, I think? I'll have to check, it was later into the show but still "early," while Orion was still shitting things up. It was a good suggestion, I couldn't get into the initial episodes.

I don't exactly watch it now, I pull it up and listen to it while I work. As a monotony-killer, it's gold. Just expect a few cringe-worthy "dramatic" moments with certain players (Marisha and Liam are the main culprits). Travis and Sam are golden, and Taliesin is pretty good.

>>53315348
So many people in my group still have trouble with this.

>>53315426
Funnily enough, as i've now played two entirely different characters in back to back campaigns, apparently some of the people who don't actually know me were confused as fuck when we started campaign two, because they assumed i had the same basic morality and personality as my first character.

One of the players actually asked the DM if i was ok, because a sudden shift of personalities is apparently a bad sign.

>>53313351
>/pol/ter

It's /pol/ack you fucking jagaloon

critical role is a shit show that gives people an unrealistic expectation of DnD. it should be a huge red flag if critical role is the only thing they know about it

>>53313119
critical role isnt bad but it gives too many people unrealistic expectations

also its scripted so its not even real dnd

>>53315264
>mary elizabeth mcglynn
>They had the fucking Major on
I need to start watching this

>>53312944
scanlan?

did this nigga name his D&D character after the catholic detective with anger issues from law and order SVU?

In the vein of D&D "shows" -- what's the /tg/ opinion of The Adventure Zone?

>>53316898
God-tier comedy

>>53316898
Based, I can even forgive their occasional forays into SJW tier shit because they usually keep it under their hat. That said I do kind of get frustrated at the lack of initiative most of them show. They got better about that though.

>>53313351
Fuck no.

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>>53315926
Yup. Awkwardly, two of the best guest character/players they've had were opposite the two absolute worst. They did a party split, and half went with them, the other two got Felicia Day and Wil Wheaton.

>>53312944
As someone who has recently come from CR to getting (really) interested and involved in DnD I have to say that personally CR has done no bad by me. I'm not expecting my first roll20 game I pick up to be a vast expansive world with great voice acting but it instead helps me try bring out better roleplay from my own choices.

>>53317954
At least we can agree that Grog is severely underrated and the best character of the series.
>>53312944
Make sure to tell your players that rolling a nat 20 doesn't mean they automatically, magically succeed at everything.

>>53316898
It's amazing, but Griffin is really treading on dangerous ground right now. He's trying so hard not to fuck up the ending and I think in trying not to fuck it up he's starting to really fuck it up.

>>53317879
I started listening to their MBMBAM, their comedy advice podcast, and it's so clear to see how they become more SJW the more they progress and try to make their audience as wide as possible. I really hate any kind of political shit they slide into, but I can also separate the two and as you said they usually keep it under their hat. But shit dude, I physically cringed when I heard Griffin use "problematic" several times during the Zone Cast Q&A thing they did about a month or two ago. Fucking hell.

>>53312944
No, it's not a red flag, but it might give you an idea about what kind of game they are expecting or what their idea of fun might be.

Here's how you solve 99% of all problems before they ever arise.

HAVE A SESSION ZERO
Sit down with the group and explain and discuss what kind of game you want to run, and what kind of game they're expecting. Have expectations laid out. Talk about house rules you want to use if there are any. Give them some insight into how you run things in general.

Here's an example of the list I used when I started with my current group:
>This is a TEAM game, we will collaborate with one another and create our characters together
>Trust me as your DM, my goal is not to kill you but to help you have a good time. When you're having a good time, I'm having a good time. Often I will present challenges that may seem frustrating, but I promise that if you overcome them you will enjoy the sense of victory.
>Try your best not to metagame, it happens sometimes when we don't intend for it, but try your best to play in your character's shoes.
>Don't lose your mind when you think you're going to die or fail a skill check or something. Failing is part of the fun.

The list continues.

>>53313988
This. Best player by far.
I used to like Sam a lot but then realized he's just pretty gifted with comedic timing, yet he still gets a solid 2nd place for some of his finer moments.
Travis is always an A+. Watch his expressions and you'll see.

>>53319212
Pretty much this. I think the lack of a session 0 is a major red flag, worse than any other red flag in this thread. I basically don't join games that don't do session 0 these days, they always die because people leave or the GM leaves or some other bullshit. That is not to say that games with session 0 are immune to this bullshit, but in my experience games without session 0 are guaranteed to suffer from it.

>>53315264
>Marisha
Every day I hope she kills herself again and fails the resurrection save.

>>53313415
Why do they get disappointed?

>>53319383
Not him, but many people like to run d&d with a lot more dungeon crawl which crit role lacks.
They had an episode not too long ago where Mercer tried to make it more of a dungeon and they took so fucking long to solve the simplest of dungeon puzzles. And if I recall they didn't even solve it because he had to DM hint them so hard, yet he still used an NPC to solve it for them.

Or they might expect everyone at the table to speak in character voices or be as good at improv as professional actors. Personally, I like improv and roleplaying over rollplaying so this expectation is a good one for my games. Not how everyone does it, though.

>>53313351
Would you ever tell anyone that in real life? For that matter, would you ever tell other people you post on 4chan?

If no, then it's not really relevant and I couldn't care less.

If the answer to either question is yes, then I wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

Mostly because chances are you'll be an obnoxious faggot who doesn't realise that social norms/boundaries are different in real life to on a niche internet site, and you'll try to bring 4chan stuff into the game and shoehorn politics in everywhere you can.

Hell yes I'm bitter, I let one of you fucks in once, never again.

>>53313444
>>53315264
Why Ashley so high anyway? Not that I think there's anything wrong with her just curious

>>53320238
Ashley may not be as good at playing a character as Travis, but she always seems to have the most genuine fun, RPs better than everyone but Travis and Sam, and just seems like the top tier of player you'd want in your game, if it wasn't for the attendance.

>>53312944
I don't know about Critical Role, but if they are anything like the people that got into Dark Heresy because of the game Total Biscuit was in, then they are Soviet Union levels of red flag.

>>53320322
Rollplay in general is a red flag. How it still gets views is beyond me.

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>I would like to buy 1500 mirrors

How does /tg/ feel about Arch Warhammer?
I tried to watch his mordheim videos but it seemed all he did was rant about feminists and sjws.

>>53320312
It's because in part she's just playing herself.

And it's amazing, Pike best girl.

>>53317954
>half went with them, the other two got Felicia Day and Wil Wheaton
I'd forgotten. Why do you bring these hurtful memories back anon?

>>53312944
It's like someone who wants to have sex because he watched porn a lot instead of naturally liking it.
Avoid.

>>53321177
What sort of logic is this?

>>53312944
>Is watching Critical Role a red flag?
yes, because it's D&D

>D&D
yes

>>53320432
>skipped through that entire section of the episode

Feelsgood. So glad that annoying fuck left

>>53312944
Critical Role is popular enough to be considered normal person entertainment, so simply watching it shouldn't be a red flag. A real red flag would be something like wanting to use guns (as in six-shooters) in a typically fantasy game, or a character copying one of the Critical Role characters whole cloth.

High Rollers is better, even if the fan base is full of tumblr teeny-boppers who assume every character introduced is gay

Some prospective players are spending most of their free time shitposting about Critical Role on /tg/. Is this a red flag? What should I expect from players all their time complaining about some inane shit like that?

>>53324729
Expect them to be autistic, miserable twats.

>>53319313
>Becomes head of the Air Ashari
>Learns how to wildshape into spaghetti sauce
That and Travis' reaction to the whole thing was solid gold.

A bad player rolls a dice without asking the DM if they can try something. A bad DM lets them.
A bad DM lets a player roll for something they cannot accomplish. A bad player accepts rolling a 20 lets them accomplish something impossible.

By the very nature of how this shit fucking works, a roll of a 20 is the best possible outcome. Accomplishing the best outcome means that you must succeed, because the alternative is that there was no point to the roll to begin with. There is a reason the NATURAL FUCKING TWENTY mindset exists, and it is because unlike us, they are still able to feel joy in their hearts.

Here are my thoughts on Critical Role:

It is decent entertainment, that becomes gold when Scanlan/Grog/Mercer's BPM get going.

Vax is being role played decently.
Vex is a fucking magpie.
Pike (when present) is decent.
Percy can be great, or just ok.
Keyleth is the worst. Mostly because the player tries to mary sue CONSTANTLY and meta WAY TOO MUCH.

It's enjoyable to watch, as long as Keyleth isn't talking.

>>53325749
Did you mean to quote someone there?
Also, some things shouldn't demand rolls. Occasionally, things are either impossibly easy, or just impossible. If it takes a natural 20 to do it, it shouldn't be able to be done.

>>53320347
The first D&D campaign they did was fun, other than that it's pretty boring.

>>53325799
>Vax is being role played decently.
I actually echo this, but I would add that Vax is a terrible character, right down to the black hair, armor, raven wings and teenage angst. It doesn't help that Liam is obnoxious as well.
>Vex is a fucking magpie.
Yeah, but she gets better. There was story justification for it, and it suffers for it once. Let's be real, she could steal from the poor and gleefully take candy from infants and she would still be the far-superior sibling.
>Pike (when present) is decent.
Yeah.
>Percy can be great, or just ok.
He's a brink of an edge of a precipice of a 90 degree angle, but unlike Vax he somehow manages to make it work (most of the time)
>Keyleth is the worst. Mostly because the player tries to mary sue CONSTANTLY and meta WAY TOO MUCH.
Agree that she's the worst, though I see a lot of people say she metas too much, do you have any examples? I'm not denying it, but compared to Orion/Tiberious she seems tame.

>>53320704
Admittedly I can see his political spouting getting very grating, and his let's plays videos are undoubtedly his worst work on the channel.

That said his knowledge of the lore of 40k is actually sound, and his videos that are specifically on the lore rather than reviewing the value of the novel itself are definitely worth the watch.

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Matthew Mercer is contributing more to the downfall of the D&D community than anyone else in history. Not even Monte Cook, not even Lorraine Williams, not even Micheal Merals, not even Gary Gygax himself have done as much damage to D&D. Mercer has made the game palatable to the kind of person who spends his Friday nights playing Cards Against Humanity while slobbering microbrews all over his beard while his wife's son is sleeping in the next room. The kind of moron who thinks mirthful laughter is the end goal of everything, and fails to understand the potential that RPGs have as a fulfilling hobby. Instead, he shits on that creative potential by turning the entire game into a joke, refusing to take anything seriously and making gimmick characters, bringing along his fat girlfriend to make a shitty elf druid character that she hardly roleplays, screeching autistically whenever she rolls a natural 20 because that is the only aspect of the game that her tiny female brain can comprehend, taking copious pictures of the game and posting them to Snapchat and Instagram to show what a geek she is, before getting tired at 11 and tugging at her cuck boyfriend's shoulder so that they both leave and disrupt the immersion even further, because the game doesn't matter to these people at all. It is a mode of entertainment, nothing else. And by entertainment, I mean they consider it nothing more than a Netflix special that they can pause at any time, because it is meant entirely to pander to their enjoyment and make them laugh to cover up how empty their soulless lives are. This hobby used to be full of passionate people who cared about the game and weren't afraid to show it. Now the hobby is being diluted by hordes of casuals who couldn't give a fuck.

Anyone into the newer Rollplay stuff?

I really like Court of Swords

Mirrorshades and Swan Song are still great tho

>>53325971
Not him but the most recent example is wanting to insight Percy on what he saw in the scrying orb. She had to change it to "oh no I want to see if he actually saw anything" instead of "did he actually look in on Tarry?" When Mercer called her on it.

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>>53326233
And quoth the fa/tg/uy
>Bait Galore

>>53325971
Of course after hitting send I think of another glaring example was the Briar Wood arc, when VM fought one of their minions. She had no clue what was happening but immediately wanted to cast I think it was daylight? Or something to kill the vampire who had become mist.

Had to settle for wind wall explaining it as "I see gas and assume poisonous, but conveniently place it so the gas is trapped in the wall."

>>53326233
Who?

>>53325971
>Let's be real, she could steal from the poor and gleefully take candy from infants and she would still be the far-superior sibling.

I disagree, Laura Metas way too much, Trinket is useless (gonna agree with scanlan #killThe Bear) and as a result, Vex is generally annoying to watch, but mostly because of the person roleplaying. And the fucking meta. Let grog keep his goddamn deck of cards, you would have NO idea he picked them up Vex!

What the fuck is Critical Role and is it any worse than that one show with Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day?

>>53326371
Although to be fair, Grog with a deck of cards gets old super super quickly.

>>53326399
But Travis doesn't meta, and plays grog that way. Even when the deck was stolen, he failed his perception so he didn't push the issue.

That's class.

Just frustrating as hell that a player metas because they know the toddler has the fantasy equivalent of a suitcase nuke, and then ruins the potential chaos by swooping in.

And then the Toddler doesn't meta, and goes along with the deception roll, rather then arguing/being a little bitch about it.

>>53326435
Travis is a fantastic player held back by a really retarded character. I fucking hate Grog, but love what Travis at least tries to do with him, but you know he's being held back by his own gimmicky limitation.

I desperately want Grog to die so Travis can come in with a Paladin or something, so we can watch him absolutely take over.

>>53326487
That's the problem, if he's not playing Grog the show becomes Travis & Matt Mercer play D&D with friends. He would fucking clean and then there wouldn't be the shit flinging flame wars of which character is better than whose.

>all the love for Travis in this thread

I'm glad I'm not alone in this feeling.

>>53326487
I honestly hope they wrap up this campaign sooner rather than later and Travis gets to roll a decent character. He's smart as hell and it showed in the evil campaign one shot, and the "plan" phases the group does. I thought at first he was just bored but now I realize it's killing him to not be able to tell them they're idiots and give them a good plan.

Also yes it was complete bullshit that Laura freaked when Grog was just gonna toss the cards. Mercer should have just looked at Travis and said "continue you throw the cards into the lava...."

>>53326487
>in or something, so we can watch him absolutely take over.

I actually think Travis is good at battle planning, but he pushes towards "lets act not think" even out of his character. I'm not convinced he would be a better leader outside of battle then Vax is, but who knows, he might surprise me.

Travis and weirdly, Percy, are the two who I think respect InGame vs Meta the most. Often you will hear Talliesin asking Mercer "Oh, but I wouldn't know that yet, ok, nevermind" which is, well its fucking great of a player to actually shift their point of view to their character. Travis almost always plays from Grog's shoes, except when he is getting annoyed at inaction, and then Grog suddenly gets smart for a sentence, and suggests what the party should do (usually reminding them of a time constraint, or battlestrategy). Which is ok, the Int handicap on grog hurts Travis, but I think he could play up his Wisdom more. "Looks ere, I may not be zuh smart one, but I cans figure out 'ow to ambush dem bastards right good."

Anyway, TLDR: Not convinced Travis would be a great leader outside of combat, but he'd be as good as the current leader.

>>53312944
Marisha best girl

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@53326599
>Being this obvious about being bait

>>53326584
I think anymore he pushes towards let's act because he knows they aren't going to follow the plan after round 1 anyway. So he just pushes to spare himself and everyone else from hearing each half assed "plan" the group cranks out.

>>53326233
wew laddie, you surely watched way more of that crap than I did in order to come up with such a detailed critique

>>53312944

I would say critical role can be good or bad. Depends on what you want.

If you want beer and pretzels type of game then let them watch it. But the side-effect is they will get the feeling everything needs to be quirky and random just to get a laugh from the rest of the table.

Now if you want to run a campaign with a story (doesn't need to be deep as some pretentious World of Darkness players like their campaigns) and character investment then I would say they should avoid it.

People imitate what they see. Critical Role is full of bad habits that can go out of hand.

>>53326371
I'd rather watch her meta than Vax have phone sex with the Raven Queen, but I do admit to a massive hate boner for Vax and Liam, so, I'm bias.
>>53326599
This beight tho

>>53326766
I'm just annoyed with the whole "I <3 Kiki so much!" I get what Liam was trying to do, have a character that went through some shit and then coped with it and was better in the end.

Problem is he just mood swings and comes off as an edgy teenager.

>>53313351
Probably. Myself, one other player,and the DM are all /pol/acks.

>>53312944
Nah.
Of my five players the best one is a guy who'd never played before but had watched all of critical role and the worst was a guy who'd played multiple full 5e campaigns.

>>53326806
They're both pretty awful, so perfect for each other.
And misery for the rest of us.

>Problem is he just mood swings and comes off as an edgy teenager.
Vax or Liam?

>>53327045
Yes

Mostly Vax

I'd take CR viewers over Funhaus or Roosterteeth viewers any day. The latter two's campaigns are so fucking bad it's a wonder they haven't been cancelled.

>>53327224
They haven't been cancelled because they're probably someone in charge's pet project, so they just support it with profit from something else.

>>53312944
How would it be a red flag?
Tell them that you're not Matthew Mercer. So the campaign wont be too similar.

>>53327369
I mean I guess RT's is still around because one of the founding members of the company is a player. What makes it even worse is he's literally That Guy to boot.

No idea what's up with FH's. It's behind a paywall which you'd think would mean it'd have at least some quality to it.

>>53327419
Haven't watched any of FH but my guess is they have enough people who just keep watching for some reason.

What I don't understand about CR is how people make time to watch a bunch of voice actors play D&D for four-ish hours. In that time I'd rather watch a movie or use those presumably free hours per week to join an actual campaign

>>53327560
Listen as a podcast, it's better.

>>53312944
I never understood how so many people could make a game work.

I'd be so much more willing to watch it if there were a reasonable amount of players. I can't help but feel anxious just thinking about how stressful GMing for that many people would be, nevermind watching the result.

>>53327704
Pretty much this. It's great background noise that I can mostly follow while working on other stuff.

>>53327560
For me I started watching to see, very roughly after watching, how D&D is played. Also I had watched some of Mercer's DM tips which he hardly follows himself and just stuck with it. That and anymore I just have it on in the background and work on the campaign I'm running during that time.

Personally I also listen for how Mercer describes things because I need some improvement in that area, along with having a man crush on Travis.

>>53327560
I listen to it while working on my campaign stuff. Great map making background music

>>53327746
There is literally nothing gay about having a crush on Travis

one episode he was wearing a t shirt I also own and I fangirled hard

>>53327746
>That spoiler
Seriously, the man can't run a decent encounter to save his life. That's one thing that does bother me about his DMing, his constant fallback of "you go to the place and fight a SINGLE (occasionally giant) monster!"
He always bitches about "ugh wow Travis/Liam, you do so much damage in a single hit, my SOLO monster took so much damage, ugh, barbarians/rogues!" It's like fuck's sake the man wouldn't know a good, party-endangering encounter if Tucker's Kobolds tickled his prostate and slapped the SJW out of him.

Honestly if we're talking D&D podcasts, if you want something more humourous and that has a great mix of just about everything, I'd say Crit Juice, but for that one expect a lot of drunken stuff. The only bad thing of the whole ordeal is the quality which is not... stellar, but they manage to build some very interesting characters while never trying to be needlessly deep and serious and opening themselves for all sorts of fun and hilarious shenanigans.

>>53327842
No disagreement here

>>53327870
Well especially since the rogue has what three items that can be argued to be legendary if not artifact tier. Then MCed into paladin on top of that, also Travis makes full use of that reckless feature and his fuck huge hit point pool.

I had hopes that last night they'd actually fight more than a beefed up bag of hit points, as always I was disappointed. Especially since he had set it up to make it possible with all those things swarming in the tunnels.

>>53320322
desu I got into Warhammer Roleplay because of those videos. Mind you, they were crap, but they were a fun kind of crap.

Actually had a lot of fun with the 40K games since then

>>53328244
The second he mentioned a single entity at the bottom of the pit I knew it was gonna be exactly what we saw last night.
Yeah, if not for all of the magic item padding Vax has, he'd probably be perma-dead by now.

Grog is awesome, and Travis actually gimped himself my MCing fighter. If he went for 18 Barb he'd pretty much have unbeatable grapple and shove checks.
I miss Scanlan, as much as I love Sam for his quick wittedness, he's actually one of the more tactically-minded members of the group. Back when Mercer had decent encounters with multiple opponents, he all but single-handedly turned the tide of the battle against Ripley with an inspired Reverse Gravity.
My hope is in the new campaign, Travis and Sam will collaborate on making characters together. It wont happen but I can dream.

>>53328393
>Grog is awesome, and Travis actually gimped himself my MCing fighter. If he went for 18 Barb he'd pretty much have unbeatable grapple and shove checks.

He still might be able to depending on how deep he goes into fighter.

>I miss Scanlan, as much as I love Sam for his quick wittedness, he's actually one of the more tactically-minded members of the group. Back when Mercer had decent encounters with multiple opponents, he all but single-handedly turned the tide of the battle against Ripley with an inspired Reverse Gravity.

Yes, Scanlan was clutch in so many fights, I hate to say it but he might have switched partial because of it. Might have felt he was overshadowing everyone too much, or just got bored.

>My hope is in the new campaign, Travis and Sam will collaborate on making characters together. It wont happen but I can dream.

Yes, if Travis rolls someone with even decent intelligence and Sam does aswell they will dominate and Mercer will actually have to make encounters. I think he's hesitant because A)The players have played these characters for what four or five years now B)Each character has a following and the shitstorm would be massive and C)He knows they're shit at planning and Keyleth damn near causes TPK scenarios anytime they fight something half way intelligent.

>>53312944
>is this a red flag?
I have played with people who got into the hobby through siblings and boyfriends, video games and advertisements, Magic the Gathering, World of Warcraft, friends, peer pressure, internet shows, webcomics, boredom, morbid curiosity, and random chance. The breakdown of terrible, bad, tolerable, good, and great players is pretty evenly distributed among all those avenues. The only real exception to this I have found is anime fans, but that is more that they tend to have a weird misunderstanding of all the basic social interactions which makes it hard for non-anime fans to relate to them or tolerate their behavior. But even then, a couple were not terrible. So just try them out and see what they are like. Be open minded and don't commit to anything long term until you know what you're dealing with.

>>53328565

>>53328393
>is in the new campaign
CR ended?

>>53328869
Not yet, but (somewhat) soon. Mercer has stated that they're nearing the final arc, and will play a few 1-shots or different systems before starting a new campaign at level 3 or something in the same world.

>>53328896
>level 3
why

>>53328934
They're experienced, and I use that loosely from the way they play, and have an audience to entertain.

>>53328934
Because it's low enough they can get utterly fucked, but still not have to slog through the first couple of levels in what's ostensibly a more story-based game than a hack-and-slash?

>>53327560
I fucking hate podcasts so I settle for transcripts, that's what I'm doing with TAZ. It's great being able to breeze through six hours of super slow gameplay in one hour. I think CR has some too, I haven't checked it out yet.

>>53313119
Wait, people dislike it because it's loose with the rules?

I dislike it because I find it to be unentertaining garbage

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>>53328896
>yfw Travis rolls a high INT Rogue Mastermind or Magic user.

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>>53330088
I don't know if Mercer would be able to handle it.

>>53329439
No one cares if something is "entertaining" or not. What matters is if it is realistic. Critical Role is not an accurate portrayal of D&D, that's the reason why its shit.

No one on this board gives a shit about fun, take that trash to /v/ or something.

>>53330157
>What matters is if it is realistic. Critical Role is not an accurate portrayal of D&D, that's the reason why its shit.
It's almost like different groups play differently, or something.

>>53330157
Lols, bait.

>>53313723
>Hasn't revealed his power level by playing a assamar paladin created by Zarus.

Do any of you guys watch URealms? Which player do you think is best? Why is it Roamin?

>>53313351
>/pol/ter
Fe fi fo fum, I smell the blood of a newfag.

>>53313351
I didn't realize other pol/ocks were also fatg/uys.

>>53326233
mama mia that's some good pasta

>>53319941
I remember when /pol/ would shit on people for not hiding their power level. Now they act like it's a badge of honor and regularly break the first two rules of Fight Club. This election was the worst thing to happen to 4chan.

>>53330088
I sincerely hope Travis plays a Wizard so the idiots that WotC pays attention to will finally start talking about how overpowered Wizards are. In the right hands (Travis), a Wizard is nuts.

>>53331734
>implying Travis won't play a goofball musclewizard who does everything to pump his "I CAST FIST"

>>53331734
Oh they know, they just don't care. They're not called Sorcerers of the Coast, after all.

>>53331132
The worst part is, we aren't even American and said asswipe had never been to the States.

For the two sessions before we kicked him, he took every opportunity to try and talk OOC about the american election, several months after the fact.

Anyway, getting back on topic, where's a good place to jump into watching CR? I've enjoyed what clips I've seen, but the early episodes I tried really weren't that great.

>>53332657
The collective agreement is episode 28 is the one to jump into, it's the beginning of the Briarwood arc, and the episode immediately after dumping Orion, a notorious problem player.
Personally, I recommend episode 12 as well, it's a one shot with 2 hilarious guys and one faggot, but that one keeps his mouth shut for the most part, so overall it's enjoyable. At least, I think it's funny.

>>53332657
>>53332740
Or watch it a bit to know what not to do when playing, Orian is at least good for that.

>>53332740
>Orion, a notorious problem player.
Orion is what happens when you stick a powergamer in a bunch of roleplayers.

>>53333011
That's the worst part, he wasn't even that clever. He was a sorcerer, he didn't need 1,500 mirrors, he just needed a box of silverware for Animate Objects.

>>53312944
No. But as others have said it does make a lot of people lose interest or get the wrong idea. I think they don't realize that a lot of it is homebrewed, played up for the audience, Matt Mercer and others are trained voice actors and stuff, etc.

Which doesn't make normal games less fun, but when you expect every session to be on par with a homebrewed system played by real actors you're gonna be a little let down when your DM is a normal dude doing his best and it isn't Matt Mercer levels of ability and not every player or system is played up for an audience.

>>53332740
>>53333047
I still feel like Orion was never as bad as Marisha

Not to say he wasn't bad, but Marisha was always worse

>>53331063
Why the fuck do you think there are 40k threads on /pol/?

>>53326233
So...is this matt mercer the VA? Because he's pretty good.

>>53333336
>All dem 3s
At least Marisha does the occasionally funny thing, like offing herself via cliff dive. If that had happened to Orion I guarantee he would've flipped shit.
You're not wrong though

>>53313351

Sure just hit the showers first.

>>53326233
I know this is pasta but Marisha is Matt's fiance.

>>53326390
Nothing could be worse than Wheaton and Day.

>>53331132
Not to mention supporting a candidate with more Jewish connections than you can shake a menorah at.

Lets face it, they're mostly Reddit migrants at this point. Kind of amusing when you consider how set off they are at the idea of foreigners changing local culture.

>>53333547
Wheaton's character was spectacularly cringe-tacular.

>>53334379
>Nat 1
>OMG! LOOK NAT 1!

He was one of the if not the worst guest.

>>53312944
It'll honest-to-god depend on what the players take from the show.
I've had atrocious experiences with DMs who started because they were CR fans.
But then again, my best player started playing in my game, is a Critical Role fan, and was otherwise largely familiar with D&D through its CRPGs. He's a guy who "roleplays his stats" really well and always makes sure a character has a distinctive weak stat that he plays up as part of the character. He is a total Travis and awesome.
(his takeaway of Sam Riegel is that he just wants to have fun with a useless joke character and that's why he got rid of Scanlan and brought in that Taryon fellow)

To basically sum up this entire thread, it's NOT a red flag when a player says that they like any sort of livestreamed TTRPG (CR, AI, anything by HyperRPG, etc).

It IS a red flag when they start whining about their "expectations not being met" BECAUSE "that's how [insert_name_of_internet_group_here] does it!"

Like one anon said, sit down with them. Have a session zero. Get everyone on the same page about what kind of game they want to play. Lay out all the houserules that you'd like to use. Let people generate characters if you want. BE FUCKING TRANSPARENT WITH YOUR GROUP ABOUT WHAT IS AND ISN'T ALLOWED (no seriously; play with a fucking X-Card if you have to, ESPECIALLY if you're playing a rules-lite or freeform game).

If they don't like it, the door's right there.

>>53332740
What was so bad about Orion? I'm only on like episode 6 and he doesn't seem as annoying as the rifleman guy and the brother/sister combo.

>>53335202
He pulls metagaming bullshit. It shows during the group's boss fight in the underdark with the Elder Brain/Beholder and it only gets worse from there.

>>53335219
This, and he's a "I want all the attention now" type that's only eclipsed by Marisha/Keyleth at her worst.

>>53335202

If it wasn't for the fact he could pull off a decently amusing goofy accent, you probably would have noticed already.

>>53335056
>Sam Riegel ... just wants to have fun with a useless joke character
That's almost literally what he said when he and Liam described their original birthday game

>>53335892
I think this is why people get so upset with CR, they forget it's a group of friends who played in their home for years for shit and giggles. Now that they are being broadcasted everyone gets upset that they aren't the "100% authentic D&D experience".

I get it, but people worried it'll ruin their games need to just sit down and explain to players, hey this isn't CR this is the kind of campaign I want to run.

>>53332740
Cool, i'll jump in at 28 then.

Is there a summary of the previous episodes anywhere?

>>53312944
Yes, well, the show will give them a false idea of what roleplaying and especially D&D actually is.

Critical role is essentially a group of professional actors pretending to play via D&D via improv because it's popular / wizards marketing and doing things for the lulz.

Players who think it represents D&D will be disappointed with the actual game as the real players are unlikely to be professional voice actors and the game actually has rules to base actions around rather than endless GM fiat.

>>53336069
To be fair, playing with your friends for shits and giggles is probably the best way to play PnP

>>53336303
I'll give you the best run down I can:
>They go into underdark
>Find dueragar preparing to attack the dwarven city from below and then the land
>Find out they aren't alone and are under the control of Illithid
>Find an out cast mindflayer who they make an alliance with
>Barely get through the war camp alive and deep into the tunnels
>Travel awhile
>Fight a tentacle flesh golem
>Find out the elder brain has been taken control of by Kvarn
>No one knows who he is other than he has a single black horn
>Find dueragar fortress and rescue Lady Keema, the whole reason they're there
>Keema hates the mindflayer and warns that he'll betray them
>VM agrees to help Keema on her quest
>A new alliance is made but Keema is still wanting to kill the mindflayer
>In the escape Scanlen kills the dueragar king
>Travel more
>Scry and find out oh shit Kvarn is a beholder and has a horn of Orcus
>Orian begins metagaming hard and wont go into Kvarn's lair
>They come up with a plan
>Break into the elder brain's chamber to fight Kvarn
>Kill him
>Surprise he reanimates to a zombie beholder because of the horn
>Finally get the horn off him to take back and lock away
>Surprise as some more mindflayers arrive the elder brain let's the outcast rejoin them
>They attack the group
>Manage to escape, barely, and teleport home

>>53336447
thanks anon

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>>53336467
No problem man

>>53336467
He missed a few chapters that are the introduction to the next arc.
>The party does some stuff to seal/hide the horn.
>Back at their town, they take care of minor issues.
>Get invited to party at the castle of the ¿Lord? of the region.
>At the party they discover some guest are the invasor of Percy hometown.
>Rogue investigates them after the party, gets caught.
>Fight happens, a Guest PC helps, bad guys run away.
>Percy gets angry, start torturing a guy to get answers.
>random people searching for guest PC, they get brutally murdered. Guest PC leaves.
>Next day Lord tolds them they cant leave the city because they are under investigation for murder and attacking his guest.
>Lord doesn't listen, they discover he's brainwashed.
>They eventually decide to disobey and go to Percy Hometown.
>Tiberius(Orion) goes back to his plane searching for help, never comes back.

>>53337316
You forgot that Tiberius was hardcore insisting, even though the DM was literally telling him no, that he could just summon up an army whenever, cause he totally has connections yo.

>>53337630
There was also a moment during that battle where Keyleth tried to do something, only for Orion to shout ''IT'S MY TUUUURN''

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>>53313351
No

>>53320432
who did this? I must have missed it.

>>53338001
I'll give you three guesses, and the last two don't count.

>>53328046
I'll give it a shot.

>>53338001
>>53338144
What kind of metagame bullshit did he need 1500 mirrors for?

>>53338001
>>53338165

I never watched it, because I got so fed up with Tiberius that I skipped about 20 episodes to when he left, but I think I heard that he and Percy tried to make some sort of giant deathbeam (sort of like Archimedes with the Roman ships and shit). Mercer shot them down.

This may or may not have also had to do with Tiberius trying to call an entire motherfucking army of dragonborns from Draconia to go fight the vampires in Percy's hometown.

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>>53313351
>join group via a friend's friend
>they're all /pol/lacks
>constant fucking "JEB'S A MESS" and "WE WUZ KANGS" tier meme spouting

Hating Critical Role or anything else for giving "wrong expectations" reflects badly on you and not that thing.

>>53331063
/tg/ is one of the last bastions of /pol/ minded people. Do you honestly think the niggs are going to read all the books required to share this hobby?
Nb4 "im a nigg, and I play tabletop"

>>53327419
I think Funhaus' is Elyse's doing but the crew she's with don't really have the capacity to play with even a modicum of seriousness. She used to play at gt and while the campaign was fucking batshit, loose as fuck and had its own share of comedy for the sake of comedy, there was still a bit of "serious" roleplaying involved.

>>53313267
Eh. I'm furry but always play humans, halflings, dwarves or elves in 5e.

What do you guys think of Harmonquest? The guest actors were really hit or miss, but it seems like they just played the game, and animated it after for the show.
For podcasts i listen to Webdm.
They seem like a fun group.

>>53338751
There's cat people in Volos

>>53338775
I don't want to play cat people though. It's boring as hell.

Man that lens flare is a red flag.

>>53333537
Why does that matter?

>>53321177
Except people don't watch porn unless they had an interest in sex to begin with.
This is more like if an alien decided to come to earth to do sex like he saw on pornhub
>what do you mean all girls don't deepthroat

>>53327419
in RT, it's Geoff, Gus, and Griffon who all played prior to the show, with Frank as their DM. So thats 2 founders plus one of the founder's wives who used to work there as well.

As far as Geoff being That Guy...I'm a season behind so I'm not 100% up to date but as far as I can tell he's playing his character correctly, with a few goofs thrown in. Actually, the bit with him getting kidnapped by that monster woman was actually a great job of doing what the character would even if the player's spider senses are tingling. The fact that everyone else in the party was super suspicious to the point of staying awake during their rest was massive metagaming

desu i'd rather a crypto normie than a furry or edgelord

>>53324508
How is it a red flag for someone to want to be a dwarf using firearms? Basic firearms or at least advanced crossbows are well within the Dwarf's fantasy wheelhouse.

Someone recap the plot for me? Wanna startup but ain't got time to rewatch that shot yo

>>53338952
He specifically singled out revolvers

>>53331063
Very large cross over in user bases these days. Many of us are original Anons from the days before memes. We're only here because every where else is some how worse

>>53338990
Could make that work.

Dwarf engineer has an experimental revolving handgun/crossbow. It takes ages to reload so he only gets 3-6 shots without taking the time to reload it and it has some chance of jamming.

It's reasonably fine.

>>53339051
I personally have no issue with it. A world in which wishes literally come true and you're telling me a dwarf can't make a rotating cylinder? I don't buy it.

>>53317954

I remember Felicia Day being in white dragon group along with Mary Elizabeth Mcglynn (looved the RP), and she wasn't that terrible, actually played sheltered csatterbrained mage decently.

Will Friedle stayed true to his character, but his backstory shouted "special snowflake", and he played his character a bit too contrarian.

Wil wheaton was the worst. While gruffy, know-all and stubborn character failing due to terrible dice rolls was entertaining to watch, the man can't shut up about making the table all about himself, and it really gets on my nerve. Play the fucking game.

>>53337630
Tiberius was a noble or some shit so I think Orion's circle of logic wasn't too unreasonable. It's just anticlimactic as fuck

Tbqh I'd take one critical-role inspired normie who treats rpgs as sort of improv collaborative storytelling over 10 grogs, powerbuilders, rollplayers and general gamist scum.
Yeah, it takes a big degree of both acting skill and ability to come up with things on spot to achieve what they do.
But still, it shouldn't stop anyone from trying. Even with relatively low skill it's way more fun than pushing minis on the grid for hours. And eventually you'll git better and better.
Houseruling a game to fit your needs is a sign of sanity.
Only problem with them is that they are doing goofy kitsch-en sink fantasy, but well they are playing dnd after all. And it's still better than dungeoncrawling with 10 ft poles even in superserious ambitious setting.

>>53339329
>grog is bad
State of you.

>>53338519
Percy had nothing to do with it, which is part of what pissed off a lot of people as well, since it was the climax of his back-story that they were preparing for and Orion was trying to win the day single-handedly.

>>53312944
Expect casuals who expect a more roleplay/acting D&D than typical.

Critical Role is fine, but Keyleth is the worst.

Marisha couldn't roleplay out of a paper bag, mary sues and metas every game, and is the only character who I actively shout at whenever she is talking.

The rest are decent, but compared to Marisha, are gods of roleplaying.

What systems do you think are best suited for the way CR plays? All the systems I have ever used are D&D or similar stuff that I think are not a good fit for that kind of game.

>>53340166
Fate maybe?

>>53339971
She's straight-up got the stupid bitch voice where every sentence ends like it's a question? How it goes up like she's asking something even though she's saying it?
Probably has the strongest character in all of VM yet she plays so incompetently that people believe Vax is the most OP of the group, or god forbid Grog.

>>53340428
I don't even care about unoptimized playing, that's fine with me.

The bullshit Meta and MarySueing (Mercer constantly telling her that Cantrips aren't strong) and not being her character (cheating at casino games) pretending to be beautiful/leader (charisma 8).

That's way more annoying.

>>53340512
What annoys me is she's supposed to have literal god-like wisdom, and yet plays dumber than Grog. Yes int/wis, but she plays dumber on both accounts.

>>53316898
I'm surprised that they aren't posted more as the 'are they inducing cancer' bait. Even if the show is great, their SJW friendly policy has opened the door for a lot of tumblrinas to start playing the game with their own lower-tier skirt wizards.
I should know, I'm in a game with them.
No GM-san, I do not know how to mention that an NPC looks mid-transition in a non 'transphobic' way.[/spolier]

>>53341048
>their SJW friendly policy
Why is SJW a pejorative now?

Most of the new people who have joined the hobby are infinitely better then the fat walking public health disasters that we used to have infesting the hobby. Tables at my game store now have more normal looking folks having a good time, then sweaty manchilds arguing with the dm in between shots form their inhalers.

>>53341086
This can't not be bait.

>>53341125
It's not bait. I always enjoyed playing RPGs in high school, and MtG, etc. I played some Mordheim and BFG before they died off in college. Now I play a lot of historical stuff with 40~50 year olds, and RPG with people my age 30 or so. Throughout that time period, whenever I went to game stores, there were always a few walking stereotypes that made me ashamed to admit I was into 'nerdy' stuff. Like they made zero effort to be pleasant people, let alone normal.

These days, game stores have a lot less of them. People my age who have never played an RPG are interested in trying them, and usually are fun to play with. There has been a slight shift because the games have gone a bit more mainstream, but I like the shift. The flood of new people has dropped the ratio of aspies/autists:normal folk. Makes the hobby better I feel.

>>53341086
>mocking people for having chronic respiratory problems while trying to paint yourself as a good, better even, person
Imagine being you.

>>53316898
It's a great comedy game, but it's railroady as hell. My wife finally agreed to try roleplaying because of it, though, so I have a soft spot for it.

>>53341237
Word of the day: Hyperbole

>>53315905
Its not scripted, Matt just railroads a lot

>>53341277
Apparently you should have included a trigger warning.

>>53341277
There was nothing hyperbolic about your post. You simply targeted people with asthma, painting them as scum that are detrimental to tabletop games, while saying trannies are a better alternative. Learn what words mean before you try a smarmy, passive aggressive "Word of the Day" post.

>>53341430
Asthmatics are scum. If God had meant for you to breathe he'd have given you functional airways. But you cling to a shallow half-life anyway, like the kids allergic to peanuts.

>>53341467
>you
>you
Are you projecting there buddy? Did an asthmatic fuck your mother? Just so you're aware though, the whole "I'll dial it up to 11 so that way it'll seem like I was epik le troling this whole time and then I'll save face!" thing doesn't work.

Cancer.

>>53341430
Not the same person.

Also, do you need a trigger warning next time snowflake?

Warning: The contents of this post may not agree with your tender feelings of nostalgia for not showering, heading to the gamestore wearing your fav cthulu shirt covered in sweat and fat rol grease, and then arguing that your Half-Dolphin Night Elf Rogue Assasin could totally sneak across an open courtyard in broad daylight, before taking a hit on your Ventalin.

>>53341540
>if I use their words back at them, then I win!
lmao

Don't you have a bull to prep?

>>53341540
>before taking a hit on your Ventalin.
>Ventalin

And that is how you know anon is also an asthmatic.

>>53341577
Not a very good response. At least the trolls are entertaining.

>>53341605
>h-haha we are j-jus trollin!
Embarrassing.

>>53341086
>>53341188
>Fatshaming
Tsk, tsk. Also the implication that moral superiority goes hand in hand with thinness, you wouldn't last a day in the true SJ climate.
>>53341467
Dat ablism. Naughty, naughty.

>>53341605
I am also happy that the oldfags are being dragged out of the hobby by the new blood. They can go wallow in their autism, while the rest of us can continue to have our fun.

>>53341642
>Also the implication that moral superiority goes hand in hand with thinness

Thin isn't morally superior. Athletic and fucking FIT is morally superior.

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>I can't wait to finally play some RPGs! I love CR.
>Wow this characters really cool! I'm excited to play him!
>Game starts, everyone starts discussing the situation and what to do.
>CR fan ends up being debilitatingly socially awkward, says nothing, hasn't bothered picking up any rules from watching
>Too much talking going on
>Sorry anon but this just isn't fun. I guess I'll try something else.
>Mfw I try even harder then usual to appease these mouthbreathers

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>>53341467
>alergic to peanuts
I fucking hate those kids, we had one in our school and everyone else couldn't bring in peanut butter. Fuck that guy I loved peanut butter, it's one of the reasons why I enjoyed highschool , they couldn't enforce allergy bans.

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>>53341754
I suppose you could of ran them through the game and how it works and bringing their character in by asking them 'what do you think about x or y?'

I dunno, anything.

>>53341754
Personally, whenever I run a game I make sure they know to not expect CR/Adventure Zone/Harmon Quest/Whatever gobshite that may've gotten them into this game.

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>>53312944

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>>53341837
>Implying I neglect everyone at the table as a GM
>Was met with Yeah, Mhm, I guess

>>53326487
A great example of how good Travis is during one of Liam's one shots when Travis's character has a much higher intelligence he turns into a natural leader and strategist and is super entertaining to watch

>>53342243
God I hate those players... let them know that THEY were being the issue and not joining in.

>Bro Tier
Travis/Grog, Scanlan/Tary/Sam
>Decent Tier
Percy/Talisen, Pike/Ashley
>Low Tier
Vex/Laura
>xXEdgyrogueXx Tier
Vax/Liam
>Cancer tier
Keylith/Marisha
>Dead Tier
Tiberius/Orion

>>53338973
http://criticalrole.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Chapters

>>53337316
Ahh been forever since I've seen those, wasn't sure what all that would cover.

>>53339633
No he did, Percy was the one trying to build the thing once Tiberius explained the idea behind the mirrors. It failed spectacularly because he had like maybe three days to do it.

>>53327560
I listen to it at work. My job is fairly brainless, so CR is a great way to make the time pass faster.

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>>53342466
>Dead tier

I've never watched Critical Role and it seems like a mess to dig through a lot of it to find the flaws.

Could someone give me a quick rundown on what exactly the issues are? There's talk here about how it isn't like actual D&D, but it's not like any two groups will play the same way.

>The 5000th thread complaining about 'shit show' and 'that gatdamn conventionally attractive dm's girlfriend whore terrible slut mass murderer'

>>53341754
I'll take "Things that never happened" for 200 Alex.

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>>53342752

What it really boils down to is that it is an entertaining web show of friends having fun. A small community of fans grew up around them, and the community promoted fun, friendship, and respect.

Then, some autists escaped from the Pathfinder General Containment thread and saw that people were making friends and enjoying playing DnD in an unoptimal way. These autists then started shitting uncontrollably from both ends of their GI tract, and claimed that CR was ruining *THEIR* hobby and people were enjoying RPGs in a BADWRONGFUN kind of way.

That's it in a nutshell really.

>>53342923
>This.

CR is inoffensive entertainment. Some of the players aren't great, like any group. A few folks with no friends don't like people enjoying things they don't like, and raise a shitstorm over it.

>>53342752
The issues, to me, are that it's a group who ported over from 3.5(or pf always forget which) and have a show to put on. Mercer plays fast and loose with the rules sometimes because he's more worried about his friends having fun.

They are professional VAs who still try to have fun and it is alot more RP heavy. It gives a false notion of what D&D is to some people, mostly because DMs are too autistic to realize they need to explain this isn't x show, this is my campaign and what to expect.

Marisha's Keyleth is a train wreck of a character with fuck high wisdom, decent intelligence and low charisma. However she plays her like a ditzy tribal idiot if not borderline retarded who tries to be charismatic. They traveled for a while saved the land once or twice, she should have some shit figured out by now.

Vax(Liam) tried making a character rogue who only gave a shit about his twin, had some hard times but grew and became better for it. It ended up with him being an edgy teen at best swinging from "omg I love Kiki" to "the Raven Queen has plans for me her champion woe is me".

Vex(Laura) tries but she's generic and forgettable if it weren't for her playing up a couple scenes between her and Percy.

Percy(Talisen) plays edgelord supreme but does it in a way that actually isn't infuriating, he is on a 90 degree drop off for full edge territory but somehow makes it interesting and more nihlistic to me.

From what I've heard and my personal opinion that's the main issue most the characters are bland or are such cliches that people hate them being perpetuated. Even though Talisen does Percy right, I can see how more people will try it and just end up like Vax. They set an unrealistic idea of what D&D should be.

>>53342775
Meh she's just a terrible role player, they have fun it seems but she's very grating to alot of people.

>>53326246
I liked swan song, too bad the last few episodes sucked and then it ended

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>>53329439
Right? Same here.

The Adventure Zone plays it really fast and loose with the rules, too, but the difference is that they're generally pretty fucking entertaining. Critical Role misses the mark more than it hits (lawl epic gamer pun eks dee).

>>53342985
Almost forgot early show I'll give you a run down of Tiberius (Orian):
>Me
>Meeee
>MEEEEEEEE!

Anyone who watches Tiberius in action should keep in mind he is how not to play in any group.

>>53312944
Not really.

Critical Role didn't kill D&D and most people who watched it and got into the game are not retards, and therefore do not expect every group to be a bunch of professional actors doing improvised theater.

Really all you need to do is tell them that not everything will be like Matt Mercer's game. Maybe link them to Matt Colville's stuff, since from what I've seen his sessions are a better representative of how D&D works out most of the time.

>>53342985
It was Pathfinder.
Pretty spot-on, especially with characters. A good explanation of >>53342466 this guy's tier list.

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>>53313351
If you're asking if I would game with people whose political ideologies don't line up with mine, yes. I have done, am doing, and will continue to do so. We all value and respect each other and know that there is a time and place for discussions of that nature and the game table is very seldom that. Basically, we're not fucking autists.

And not being autists, we don't feel the need to brand ourselves with meme-y board labels and define ourselves by how cleverly post-ironic our "reactions" folders are.

So, no. I wouldn't take *you*. I also wouldn't take a genderless sidecut with a Steven Universe t-shirt and ear gauges who uses words like "problematic". Because you're both basically the same person.

>>53342752
From what i know, there are 2 problems with it.

The homebrew stuff leads to false expectations from newer people that don't understand the term homebrew

And that it sets an unrealistic level for what roleplay should be. people come to regular games expecting people to roleplay as well as professional voice actors, as stupid as that sounds.

>>53343221
>fa/tg/uy acting holier than thou about having a home board
Are you disabled?

>>53342923
>Pathfinder General Containment thread
Thank god I am not the only one who thinks that thread is a fucking trainwreck of autism.

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>>53343279
>I call myself a fa/tg/uy
>I have a "home board"
4chan is one of the places on the internet I go for the things that entertain me. I've been here since Warhammer Wednesdays. I enjoy /tg/, and some other boards as well.

But I don't think for a second that any of you people would even piss in my mouth if my gums were on fire. This isn't my home. You aren't my friends. We're individuals with similar interests. And that's it.

If /pol/ is all you have going for you, that's your issue. But don't put that shit on me.

>>53343223
>people come to regular games expecting people to roleplay

God forbid that people actually roleplay in a roleplaying game.

You d on't have to be a voice actor to roleplay, but if all you want to do is push up some numbers and roll dice, we have computer games now.

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Why is the 40k general so leftwing bros? You would think given 40k's setting that they wouldn't like it at all, is it just redditors?

>>53342682
If memory serves, Percy was trying to build the 'Archimedes Death Ray' thing with Keyleth's help, and almost succeeded in it over the course of the week of prep time he had. I think Matt said it would be possible to build, but not with Percy's current skill level of "tinkering," which is a loose term for scientific experimentation and mechanical engineering.

I believe Percy's idea behind it was to try and let Keyleth cast Daylight on an object inside it, have the light bounce around a bunch of times on the mirrors (as it was shaped as an orb/sphere) and then fuse the bounced lights to a focal lens and fire it out like a Sunbeam spell.

But thankfully for them, by the time they got to the final confrontation the group got enough levels for her to get Sunbeam normally, and turns a potentially challenging fight (vampire face-tanking stuff with Craven Edge and a Wizard support) into a mere annoyance, because she just lasered the vampire to death.

>>53343140
Thanks m8, I do have to say if more people tried to follow the habits of Grog(Travis) to start with they'd be far better off in the long run.

He plays to his stats and outright refuses to metagame, except that one time his wife yelled at him about the Deck not even Vex a little it was Laura to Travis. He stays within his character as much as possible in game even if it kills him that the plans they are talking about are shit and he has a better one.

Sam(Scanlen/Tarry) is a good role player, even though he kinda pigeon holed himself into being the comic relief. He will outright ignore when someone tells him something out of game and just say "I don't know that" then do what ever he was planning. He shows how to play a slightly more abrasive character correctly and not just be a complete dick to that party hates.

Percy does decent with metagaming and has actually gotten better. He did it once or twice near the start but now you actually hear him say "oh wait my character wouldn't know that, nevermind my bad". It's what people should try to do, to get to a point to be able to separate in game knowledge from out of game knowledge and be willing to correct yourself on it.

Pike(Ashley) is hard to talk about due to here being gone alot for her show. She's a solid character and sticks to it the times she's there. Acts as the moral compass more often than not, but the main thing is she plays her character.

>>53343434
...
This has to be bait. Are there really that many people who have no concept of satire?

>>53343410
I know you probably think thats clever, but only quoting half of a complete sentence just makes you look dumb.

>>53343439
Ahh yeah that's it, for whatever reason I thought the mirrors were actually for that contraption.

>>53343486
>...
Stopped reading there.

>>53343499
I honestly have no clue what the mirrors were for (the ones Tiberius was buying), especially after he failed his knowledge roll on vampires and got the answer of, "you know of vampires from stories and think you know of some of their weaknesses, but don't know if they all work or not."

Especially after Percy bought most of the mirrors in the town to begin with to start building his Archimedes Death Ray (which I think was around 100 mirrors, a very thin wire frame to keep the structure for it, and a specially crafted focal lens to rest in the 'barrel' of the death ray).

>>53343377
Oooh, you're from /b/. I get it now.

>>53333011
He's what happens when you stick an uncreative guy who wants to solve it all by himself. Creative powergamers who know how to play with a group are great, but they're few and far.

>>53320322
>>53320347
I think I stopped watch shortly after Adam was GMing, go see his twitters, its really cringey "Muh Anti-capitalism, Muh Trannies" stuff

>>53343100
I was never super bothered by this because Orion was at least playing a character who was the same way

A noble-born brat with inherent power just handed to him on a silver platter and fuck all wisdom. You can never say he didn't play the stats he had

Marisha will always be worse, even if she was never as self-centered, because she basically played her stats in inverse. Acting like she had dumped wisdom, had average intelligence, and pumped charisma when the exact opposite was true. It's honestly gotten to the point that I use her as a key example of how not to roleplay

>>53343789
To his credit, he doesn't do that very much in the games he runs unless the players promote it with their roleplay.

He's actually a fine GM and when doing it in a "professional" manner knows that he's got to tone the, "anti-capitalism, pro-LGBTQA" stuff down. It's really only during the games he runs on the roll20 Twitch channel that you get more of it (as most of the other players he plays with it on there share similar sentiments to him).

>>53343833
Yeah its not exactly a good way to promote your product when you have someone basically slinging their political shit around and bitching about the very system that gives the website HE REPRESENTS the ability to continue running.

He's fine to run his own youtube stuff that way or on other peoples if they are cool with it. But airing your dirty laundry politically as part of your job to try and attract new customers is alienating and bad business and he should be either told to cut it the fuck out by R20 or be sacked.

>>53343813
True his role-playing was more in line, but the main issue I have was his constant metagaming. Also it's the way of how not to play a me character where as Tarry is more able to work with a group and not disrupt things too much.

My impression is that even alot of the others were starting to get tired of it aswell.

>>53343919
>alot of the others were starting to get tired of it aswell

He made Marisha uncomfortable and she got her BF the DM to kick him out.

I think Travis and him had words as well.

Orion seems like a nice guy, but kind of an aspie who in real life took wisdom as a dump stat. Maybe has Adult ADHD as well. Regardless, I still found him and Tiberius to be fucking hilarious, unlike the cringe fest that is watching Marisha/Keyleth try and be heroic.

>>53343970
Oh yeah i forget the episode but I recall Travis started giving him a straight up death glare during one game.

Yeah he does seem like a nice guy but definitely was the odd man out in the group. I get why, he had cancer and a couple other problems and played D&D with friends to forget all that. I think once the camera came on though he pushed it a little too far trying to be entertaining and it upset some of the other players.

He was entertaining I will admit that.

>>53343813
I'd put both as a way of not to play. Orion is bad for being really bad at one thing (metagaming out of control), but he is playing his character to a T and ultimately had he developed some character growth and not been as likely to screw stuff up, he'd probably have been one of the better ones.

Marisha is, on the other hand, the one player that doesn't do anything spetacularly bad, they just do absolutely NOTHING right. And honestly that's harder to deal with that the Orion player, which while may be more annoying to most, needs to work on a few issues at max, even if they need to work a lot - even slight improvement will start to make them better. A Marisha-type player has just so much to improve it's gonna take a long time.

>>53343434
Maybe because 40K is about how how /pol/ack type thinking is basically the doom of the human race?

>>53344100
This is just my opinion, so take it for what you will.

I think the group got soured by how he handled the K'Varn/Elder Brain fight (basically not fighting at all and running around outside doing dumb shit), and shortly after that they went to what amounts to the Vatican City/Mecca/Jerusalem of their world and caused some ruckus with his arcane magic shenanigans.

He then stepped on the toes of Laura when she did a very difficult trick shot to disable a trap and tried to use his Telekinesis spell to magic the arrow in it easier, so that just irked even more of the cast.

Then he was trying to metagame pretty hard during the first Briarwood fight, ate a Crown of Madness for his troubles and drowned his sorrow in booze. This led into the shopping episode "1500 mirrors" fiasco, and even more metagaming about trying to resolve the vampire storyline by having a FOREIGN ARMY invade Percy's hometown,when Taliesin/Percy had clearly begun setting up the, "finding out Percy's backstory" arc, which for most of the group was something they didn't know much about.

I also think he got super wasted during one of the episodes and was kind of a dick during said drunkenness.

>>53343970
For all his shitty behaviour being able to take Travis glaring at you and not shitting out your own lower intestine deserves some credit.

>>53344282
That actually makes alot of sense

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>>53344227
>Maybe because 40K is about how how /pol/ack type thinking is basically the doom of the human race?

>the Imperium of Man is ultra conservative

>Chaos are all liberals who revel in every kind of immoral act imaginable and seek to destroy everything in their path in their quest to bring ruin to every value the common imperial citizen holds dear

are you retarded?

>>53344282
Wasn't a Crown of Madness, it was a full-blown Feeblemind, which really chapped his ass.
>>53344329
Seriously, the first time I saw that literal goliath before I learned they were ALL voice actors, I thought he was someone's football-playing boyfriend.
>>53344205
>>53344100
As much as I do greatly despise Marisha/Keyleth, I was always a little wary of Orion, even from the first episode, when he shouted at Mercer playing the dwarf guards. I know it was in character, but to actually shout in a small room is beyond autistic. To me, he always seemed to be just a really angry guy, like a ticking time bomb that you had to be careful not to set off. I know, I had a friend who was like that a long time ago.
I think a big part of it is the whole familiarity breeds contempt/absence makes the heart grow fonder spectrum, namely, we only dealt with Orion for 27 episodes, whereas we're closing in on 100 episodes of Crapleth.

>>53344205
I dunno, casting wind walk on half the team in the middle of the battle and suicide-diving off of a cliff for shits and giggles seem pretty "spectacularly bad" to me

>>53344514
If there is an objectively bad choice Keyleth will make it. Only time she doesn't is when others say "hey don't do that"

>>53344541
In my opinion, Keyleth's MVP moment of Critical Role is casting Feeblemind on the full spellcaster Ancient Green Dragon after she blew her legendary resistances on keeping up Greater Invisibility.

If that didn't land it was almost certainly going to be a TPK of the group, because the dragon was getting in position to fire off a Prismatic Spray on the DPS of the group, and the dragon took care of the two people that could potentially counter it (killed Scanlan, KO'ed Allura).

>>53344507
Oh yeah, fair enough, people like Orion are the sort of people that you can feel that are going to give some bumps along the road - can be very small or can be table-flipping-autism levels of bumps.

Also, on Travis - I knew he was a VA before and I knew some of the characters he had VA'ed. Honestly some bits of the list show that he can pull off a pretty menacing voice alright, but the one that still makes me kek loudly is the fact that he is the VA of Knuckles the fucking Echidna. Guile, Roy Mustang, Lon'qu, Portgas D. Ace, Yodai Higashizawa, Sergei in Black Ops, a handful of FE characters, including one of the main villains in Fates... and Knuckles the fucking Echidna.

>>53344514
Spetacularly bad in this case doesn't refer to fucking up in extreme fashion, it's more of a "the reasons why they're annoying aren't extremely deep-rooted and repetitive".

>>53312944
>What should I expect from players who got interested in 5e for these reason? Would they expect from me?

Fucking ask them?

Why is it that /tg/ is filled with nothing but anti-social degenerates that cannot into fucking basic human interaction.

>>53344227
Is this bait?

>>53344507
>Orion shouting at the group about him disguising himself as the duergar god because they were just back and forthing for like 5 straight minutes about whether or not they should pretend to be a basilisk or something
Made me actively sweat out of secondhand embarrassment. Though I feel like they really did deserve a bit of it. There's only so many times you can ignore Travis politely, quietly asking the party to actually do something.

>>53344489
The Imperium of Man aren't good guys, anon.

Its conservatism, ignorance, xenophobia, and bureaucratic inefficiency is choking the life out of mankind. It's literally meant to represent humanity doing absolutely everything wrong, resulting in an extraordinarily wasteful, extraordinarily stupid, extraordinarily callous society that creates most of its own problems and traps the vast majority of mankind in conditions of abject squalor and suffering.

40K was created by a bunch of liberals with a bone to pick with Thatcherism and organized religion. If you can't jive with that, you can get the fuck out.

>>53344881
You're delusional, the Imperium isn't perfect but their the best option out there
"conservatism, ignorance, xenophobia, and bureaucratic inefficiency" are literally the only things keeping mankind alive, unmutated, and with their souls intact.

>>53344881
Personally, my favourite thing about liberals is their ability to consistently fuck up their propaganda and accidentally make great right-wing propaganda. Like when they tried to compare Trump to Hitler in that one ad.

>>53344984
>between two piles of shit, this one stinks less

Doesn't stop it from being a pile of shit though

>>53345011
>can't refute
>s-so it's still bad!
Gee wiz anon

>>53344754
It's been a long time since I've seen those episodes. I recall thinking about rewatching them at one point, but Orion stopped me.
>>53344657
Honestly, that is one thing I really dislike about CR that isn't Mercer's incompetence in running a decent encounter, is that I don't want to know the faces behind character's voices. Like with Injustice 2, learned that Reverse Flash is Liam, can't unhear Liam. Sucks.

>>53345062
you didn't refute anything either. you just said its the better of two options.

And i said both options are shit.

The imperium is everything wrong with mankind, starting with its gross misrepresentation of its own god/leader. They are dumb, they are xenophobic, they are destructive, they are zealots.

They are everything wrong with mankind, easily. Its just slightly better than being fucked up by orks or demonic hordes.

>>53345105
>they are dumb
yeah sure thing bud
>they are xenophobic
What's the issue with this? When 99% of the other intelligent races want to annihilate you or enslave you I think it's a smart move to distrust anything non-human
>they are destructive, they are zealots.
Again what is the issue with either of these things? their faith is part of what keeps the Imperium together and united, and they destroy things in order to survive, How could you possibly be this stupid?
>They are everything wrong with mankind, easily.
No, that would be Chaos, do you even have any knowledge of this setting other than second hand sources? did you just hop in here from /b/?

>>53345067
Yeah, it kind of breaks you.

Crit Role, I feel, is as great "everyone can enjoy"-type of podcast, but there's always a personal favorite, and mine is Crit Juice, which also features actors plus improvisational comedians and drinking, so there's that. It's kind of silly but it's fun.

>>53345175
just because its the right mindset for the task at hand, that doesn't make it any less of a self destructive mindset.

>>53343789
>>53343833
>>53343871
Just going to add that I appreciate how much Adam tones it down. His Twitter and his panel appearances are very thick on the LGBT/feminism/whatever issues, but he shows enough professionalism to keep it separate from his role-playing games.

>>53345067
Unfortunately with the players he has I think Mercer is forced to run incompetent encounters otherwise they would have wiped long ago.

I've said it before and I'll say it again I hope Travis gets even a semi smart character if they make a new adventure. He'd fucking dominate and whip everyone into shape.

>>53345218
the cognitive dissonance is real
The Imperium wasn't as GRIM DARK when Emps was still walking around.
But they were still a conservative empire with xenophobic tendencies even, but they still PROSPERED
They lost their a lot of their knowledge and became as destructive as they are as a result of Chaos and being in a constant state of war for 10,000+ years
They wouldn't need to make their citizens suffer as they do out of necessity
The fact of the matter is, is that there is no better solution, if they would become liberal, xenophile, and atheists mankind would be extinct within a decade
So to come back to the original argument the Imperium does not exemplify the worst aspects of humanity but the best, when hostile beings want to invade your territory and make your way of life mirror theirs, hostility and aggression are the only true answer if they can not be reasoned with

>>53320322
That was the guy, Total Biscuit. I've been trying to remember what internet Z-list celebrity I'd seen role playing. God, he was such a faggot.

>>53330157
>Nobody on /tg/ cares about fun.
This meme is retarded.

There might be like 3 people on tg who don't care if a game is fun.

I play RPGs specifically because they're the most fun way to hang out with my friends I've encountered.

I mostly got over drunken partying years ago, I'm not 21 anymore. (I might get drunk once a year if that).

I have 0 interest in online multiplayer videogames. Couch multiplayer games are fun, but are typically limited to indie games. Videogames tend to be something I enjoy with 1-4 players, and the fun 3 and 4 player games are few and far between.

So for fun in a group setting, tabletop RPGs.

I tried LARPing (both contact latex weapon LARP and VtM). VtM was boring as fuck. Latex weapon LARP was okay, but they were too autistic about never going out of character, and the lulls in content got old. I'd still go if I was playing with friends, but I'd much prefer tabletop RPGs.

For other kinds of tg, I'm not really into boardgames (except Stratego), but I like Gwent (though I'd prefer it in physical LCG form), I like MTG cubes and limited leagues and drafting, and I don't mind the occasional 4-5 player commander game. I also enjoy joking hazard and sometimes munchkin if there's at least 4 of us.

You know what all these things have in common?

I find them *fun*.

If you don't find traditional games fun, it would be idiotic for you to play them.

>>53344639
>In my opinion, Keyleth's MVP moment of Critical Role

She never had one.
Even if she potentially could have been MVP, she blew it somehow.
Keyleth played by Marisha has zero redeeming features.

>>53345252
>incompetent encounters otherwise they would have wiped long ago.

Some people play RPGs for story and fun, not to compete against the DM. A good challenge sure, but if you ever end up in a TPK, you fucked up as a GM, not the players.

>>53346409
>TPK means the GM fucked up.
No. Sometimes it should be possible for the players to lose.

This is particularly true for a final session.

One of my best campaigns ended with a single survivor limping back to town, alone, and another who abandoned the party and left them to die, running for his life.

Everyone had a blast.

They could have won without casualties. But it would have been difficult.

And they absolutely could have TPKed.

I expected they might lose someone, but they pressed on injured and unprepared.

>>53312944
Nah. Two of my players in a campaign I DM got interested in D&D because of Critical Role and they're great players even though I'm not the type of DM that Matt is at all (although he's awesome imo)

>>53346409
>if you ever end up in a TPK, you fucked up as a GM
Only in certain types of games. Those types of games are usually the most boring, too.

A lot of players don't even start having fun until TPK is a real possibility.

>>53346409
If your players fuck up beyond repair, do not baby them. That is the absolute worst thing to do as a DM. If there is no fear of death, no achievement has real meaning.

Most games focus on you fighting things. When you fight, you take on the possibility of being injured and possibly dying. Arguing otherwise is retarded.

>>53346409
>Making challenge encounters that if shit goes completely south can lead to TPK
>Means the players are playing against the DM

Not really, you can still have an interesting story or story heavy campaign and make the encounters you have challenging, however by making an encounter challenging there is the real possibility of it being a wipe.

If a TPK happens because the DM made a completely unwinnable encounter then yes your state is correct. If the DM makes a challenging encounter and the party fucks up that's just poor planning or astronomically bad luck.

>>53336447
>>Orian begins metagaming hard and wont go into Kvarn's lair
I had no idea what was going on that episode. Explain what the fuck was that memeloving goose trying to do by flying around outside.

>>53346731
Trying to not go into the lair and get the mindflayers to take a faster route to assist the party. Mostly just avoiding going into the lair at all costs if possible.

>>53343410
Fuck roleplaying. I'm in it for the stats and level up. Kill yourself autist.

>>53346941
0/10, try harder with the bait next time

>>53338821
*j.j abrams intensifies*

>>53346953
Worked for you :^)

>>53346903
why though? What could he possibly accomplish running outside instead of fighting with his fucking friends

>>53344984
>the Imperium isn't perfect but their the best option out there

You mean it's better than Chaos?

Sure, it is. but the current shape of the Imperium is one of the biggest contributors to Chaos' power base. Its ignorance and cruelty and constant warring feeds Chaos, both metaphysically and with easy converts. It keeps the galaxy torn and divided, easy to pick apart for the Ruinous Powers.

The actual best option is simply a better Imperium. The Imperium COULD have gone down a better route, uniting mankind in a way that didn't immediately degenerate into the most retarded regime imaginable.

>"conservatism, ignorance, xenophobia, and bureaucratic inefficiency" are literally the only things keeping mankind alive, unmutated, and with their souls intact.

Ignorance is how 99% of Chaos worshipers come about, including the fucking Primarchs, who only really got corrupted because they didn't know about any of this shit. It's also why the Imperium has not only stagnated, but fallen backwards - even stuff they knew worked safely befote has been lost because their idea of ignorance as good has gone batshit insane. They're no longer being cautious with stuff like the Emperor wanted, they're denying themselves useful stuff out of wilful ignorance. Xenophobia hurts the Imperium constantly because as a doctrine it forces them to be at constant war footing within the most minor galactic power they come across. The Imperium has vast resources, the only reason it's so stretched thin is because it insists on fighting everyone it meets. There are canonically tons of non-hostile aliens in 40K that the Imperium is literally just wasting lives and logistics on when it picks a fight with them. The bureaucratic inefficiency only compounds these problems, I don't know how you could ever argue that that's helping.

Again, 40K was created by a bunch of liberals with a bone to pick with Thatcherism and organized religion. If you can't jive with that, you can get the fuck out.

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>>53347276
Reminder: Bobby G canonically agrees with all of this.

>>53347194
No clue man he suddenly refused to go inside it's lair and did a bunch of stupid shit for what ever reason.

>>53347276
But even when big E was around they still had a policy of Xenos either submit to human dominance or are crushed. They hated xenos but were willing to at least give an option. That and with how ever xenos they come into contact with seem to either betray or out right want to destroy them it's understandable how it got to this point.

>>53347390
>But even when big E was around they still had a policy of Xenos either submit to human dominance or are crushed.

Which was just one of the reasons why Big E was hugely flawed as a leader.

>That and with how ever xenos they come into contact with seem to either betray or out right want to destroy them it's understandable how it got to this point.

This isn't actually true. There are loads of xenos in the fluff that have zero ill intentions for mankind. Canonically, even during the Age of Strife, it was mostly mankind's old enemies that jumped on them when given the chance. There are canon examples of aliens that went out of their way to help humans during the Age of Strife (and were later killed for their trouble). Even the eldar only really began their policy of lying to and manipulating the Imperium once it became clear that there was no real bargaining with them. Eldar actually tried to straight up warn the Imperium of coming events and got shot at for it.

>>53340764
That's a common problem with mental stats: you can't really play smarter than you really are

>>53348144
True, but she plays like she's running a wisdom score lower than Grog's intelligence score.

>>53342775
Dude, she looks more manly than Matt does

>>53348232
We all agree best waifu is Laura anyway.
And that Ashley is the patrician choice
And Mary Elizabeth McGlynn is the Elder God choice

>>53342466
>orion
>has cancer
>not in cancer tier

>>53313267
>I'd take a thousand Critical Role wathers [sic]
>a thousand
Shit, and I being at a table of 8-10 was an unplayable mess.

>>53348891
Kek

>>53347331
It's all correct.

>>53347276
Did you actually go back and start replying to one of the older posts you replied to instead of replying to my most recent one?
not to mention you're using the same arguement I already adressed and responsed to with some tacked on headcanon you whipped up
see
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