Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

Somehow this long after the post went up, first for the Dark City

I like Primaris Marines and there's nothing you can do about it!

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Are Primaris Marines stronger or weaker than Custodes?

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I just want to see how fear works damn it

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>FW Primarie Terminators are gonna wear Saturmine mk II armour

I'm really praying to god tyranid warriors, shrikes, and raveners are actually fucking decent this edition. They seem set up for it, considering they hold up decently well to small arms fire and get to carry weapons that are getting buffs. Venom cannons and stranglethorns I'm both really curious to see. I'm worried that they and most of the tyranid dex is going to be fodder to weapons like battle cannons and mortars now dealing d6 or d3 shots instead of pie plating. Things like Hive Tyrants and carnifexes are going to eat some fucking damage when a battle cannon shoots at them.

>>53300100
Marine<Primarine<Custode<Primastode

So if Primarus marines can be of any Geneseed, and entire chapters of them exist, does that mean you could have a Primarus chapter of Space Wolf Successors?

>>53300114

This style of armour is being turned into a dreadnought design.

>>53300088

Yes there is, I can leave 40K.

>>53300123
>Primastode
Please no.

>>53300136
But that would only make me like them more because they reduced the number of faggots!

>>53300144

Go for it anon, I stopped being GW's target audience in 2004.

>>53300088
I like the too but I'm biased, they look almost exactly like the ultimate Power armour mockup i did years ago.

Mk4 helmet, mk 8 gorget, mk 5 greave-fused knees, only thing missin is mk 8 pattern braces with dorsal hand guard.

>>53300132
>inb4 Primaris Wulfen
>their CM is called Lupus Primus

>>53300048
I have almost no experience with this franchise. Who's up for some questions?

>Why are there so many different generals for this game? I thought 7th edition and AoS were the only ways to play this game? The fuck are the differences?
>Would now be a good time to build a first squad or should I wait for 8th edition?
>What game or game version would be the cheapest to play? Which game version is the most popular?
>How do you know which armies can use which models or which factions can team up with other factions?
>Tell me about Custodes since I love their aesthetic. Are they fun to play? Can I get away with only having infantry? What about Black Templar?
>Can Custodes use an Emperor's Champion?
>Why is the Emperor's Champion so expensive?
>What is the extent of the customization of /yourdudes/? Like, as long as it's recognizable, is it legal? Could you have silver Custodes or Black Templar with different colored robes or whatever? Could you decorate a Custode or whatever spess muhreen with bits of Tyranids as trophies or ornaments and still be legal? Custodes with purple robes?

I think the Primaris marine bitching will be over sooner than the Newcron bitching was.

So, those chapters "devastated during the Gathering Storm", which were that?

Obviously Black Templars took a huge hit and Imperial Fists lost almost a whole company. Ultramarines themselves also gained and subsequently lost a bunch of guys.

Any other chapters involved that I'm not thinking of? If there's going to be Chapters rejecting Primaris Marines, Black Templars are the prime candidates for that role and saying "Imperial Fists are getting a company of them" in such a convoluted way seems dumb.

>>53300218
Who cares. They'll be fully replenished by next campaign, or will otherwise be completely unaffected by the reduced strenght because of bullshit plot armor.

What if GW wants wyches to be a utility unit? Perhaps pairing wyches with some of the dark eldar monstrous creatures like the talos could be useful to keep those mcs in combat during the enemy's turn.

>>53300121
>Things like Hive Tyrants and carnifexes are going to eat some fucking damage when a battle cannon shoots at them.
Not as much as you think.

Average 3.5 shots
Avg 1.75 hits
Avg 1.16 Wounds
Avg 0.77 unsaved Wounds
Avg 1.55 lost Wounds after D3 damage roll

Assuming no armour save buffs or cover or To Hit penalties from Venomthropes or Feel No Pain type special rules. Also consider Carnifexes and Hive Tyrants should have around 10 Wounds or more, and Carnifexes will likely have native Regenerate.

>>53300048
Are The Unforgiven going to be given access to Cataphractii armor in 8th? I mean, I would like the newer one too (tartaros right?) but I sort of get the reason why. What I don't get is why the chapter that hoards and uses ancient tech has no suits of the first run of terminator armor lying about.

>>53300213
>>Why are there so many different generals for this game? I thought 7th edition and AoS were the only ways to play this game? The fuck are the differences?
You also seem new to 4chan, threads die, new generals are made.
40k is one game as is AoS, and Shadow War Armageddon.

>>Would now be a good time to build a first squad or should I wait for 8th edition?
Wait

>>What game or game version would be the cheapest to play? Which game version is the most popular?
Shadow war Armageddon is Cheapest because it's essentially just one 40k squad.
40k is normally most popular

>>How do you know which armies can use which models or which factions can team up with other factions?
It's in the army rules and base rules

>>Tell me about Custodes since I love their aesthetic. Are they fun to play? Can I get away with only having infantry? What about Black Templar?
Wait for 8th's rules, current meta is irrelevant

>>Can Custodes use an Emperor's Champion?
No

>>Why is the Emperor's Champion so expensive?
Special guy

>>What is the extent of the customization of /yourdudes/? Like, as long as it's recognizable, is it legal?

Yes, as long as model role and wargear are recognisable at first glance.

>>53300278
Most likely, all first founding SHOULD have a few sets.

>>53300214
It will. Most people actually like them, it's just a vocal minority that's really pissed off.

Who here old school space marine master race?

I will never buy those obese maggot dicked new pieces of shit.

>>53300213
>There's 40k (now 7e, soom 8e), AoS, remnants of Fantasy Battle players, RPG players, lore threads and 'My Dudes' threads, usually
>Wait a few weeks until 8e, release date will be announced this month
>Kill Team and Shadow War: Armageddon both only use a handful of dudes, regular 1000-1850 poimt games are the most played
>a unit's faction is listed on its datasheet and the box, allies are listed on an ally chart currrently, going to use faction keywords next edition, apparently
>they're a fun gimmick elite force in 7e and not competitive meta but pack a punch and are especially good as a supporting force. Black Templars are the weakest SM chapter in 7e but general assault buffs already made them better and they'll most likely get some more love in 8e
>only if you add a Black Templar detachment
>Instant-Death fighter with great equipment and unique characters generally being more expensive due to unique rules
>Depends on your play environment. Tournaments usually have What You See Is What You Get, meaning a dude with a Plasma Gun needs to actually have something clearly recognisable ad one but can otherwise look however you want, just make it clear what you are playing, especially when using rules for a SM chapter without using their colors

>>53300213

Step 1. Get out of 40K, it will bring you nothing but pain.

Step 2. Head on over to the Warhammer Fantasy General and get comfy.

>>53300214
Speaking of newcorns... I want fucking Pariahs back.
Fucking awesome models.

>>53300213
Autism, mostly.
Either/or. 8th won't change what models you can olay, only which ones are grossly broken. It's always more fun to play what you like.
Shadow war is cheapest, 40k most popular.
Each codex lists the factions models, ally in anyone following their codex. Don't buy a 7th codex they about to drop free for 8th
No idea
No idea
Jews
Serious tournaments will outline what qualifys, for causal play they just need to recognizable. Very /yourdudes/

I have a lore question stemming from a model question. I used to play Dark Angels, but decided to make my own Chapter recently. Still Unforgiven, so I can use many of the same vehicles and a couple of bits as relics and wargear and such, but I am really attached to that Chaplian I got from Dark Vengance. Would it be absurd to say that the armor was a gift on their founding so they just keep it as it was when they got it? I was going to paint the chapter symbol on the cape. Or is that stepping on too many toes. I really don't want to smooth that shoulderpad down, it's a really nice model.

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>>53300311

>>53300218
Aren't there like 10 000 black templars anyway?

>>53300332
>play DoW
>"Man, these Pariah guys are sweet."
>get into the Tabletop
>find out they're gone
>also Wraiths are bug things now instead of spooky skeleton snek ghost things

>>53300352
There seems to be a lot.

>>53300300
>all first founding SHOULD have a few sets

Tell that to the chucklefuck that wrote Angels of Darkness.

>>53300353
Yeah, Wraith and Flayed Ones classic were way better flavours.

>>53300352
Around 6000, unless they make that "they're only 1200" bullshit from that 6e BL novel canon.

>>53300353
>spooky skeleton snek ghosts
Fuck you now I miss them more.

I am actually really worried the primaris marines are going to be straight better than regular marines. 2 wounds, an extra attack, AND a longer range? they should be like 30-35 points each, and not the 13ppm regular marines are said to cost.

However I have this fear they are going to be 15-20ppm. And 1 wound berserkers will still be 20ppm with models from 1999 that'll teach those traitors :^)

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>>53300353
Goofy Skeletor Tomb Kings>Edgy terminators rippoffs

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>>53300123
Obliterator>Possessed>beserkers>primaris>custodes>terminator>manlet marines

Finally finished Titanicus. Really was a sweet novel.

Just kind of disappointed with the ending.
Stefan was killed off in such a silly way.
We never heard what became of Prinzholm and Tarses.
They should've elaborated where Varco, Ashlag and Kell disappeared to and if they all moved into a hive or if Varco left with them and became part of the tribes.

Other than that, cool as fuck novel. Would love another one about Invicta.

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How did I do /tg/?

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>>53300326

Yes, nothing more uplifting than a bunch of gronards sitting in moms basement complaining about how much shit GW is, while clinching on to past relics such as whfb.

Don't get me wrong, I love the game, but can't stand the majority of what's left of the fanbase.

>>53300300
Not new to 4chan, but I remember seeing generals for 40k, AoS, HH, and something else too.

>>53300326
>>53300316
>>53300340
Thank you all for the information. I'm just looking for a small squad to play with friends, nothing too serious. Maybe I'll try Custodes with a Black Templar attachment, however that would work out within the rules (where would you look for this rule?). My main interest is painting them but if I can use them in a game, that's cool too.

>>53300218
The only way Templars take a huge hit is if they lose the Eternal Crusader otherwise losing a single and small crusade force is nothing when they have dozens of recruitment spots and at least 5 other crusades.

>>53300378
Keep in mind that they (Intecessor) seem to be capped at 5 models/unit with no special weapon options.
That takes away a of of flexibility which would give a point discount

>>53300418
8th is about to come out, so we can't give you firm rules answers for that. Reasonable assumption is that you just have separate detachments for your main and allied forces. We only have 3 of the starting detachments known already, but they should give you an idea: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/05/new-warhammer-40000-battle-forged-armiesgw-homepage-post-4/
So you could do a Battalion of a primary force, then a Patrol of your allies, for example.

>>53300416

That's funny because I feel the same way about 40K.

Nearly everything wrong with GW right now can be traced back to 40K's cancerous WAAC ADHD community.

>>53300413

Im not sure what it is to be honest....

>>53300451
The Women's Army Auxiliary Corps?

>>53300449
Oh ok. Hopefully one of those list building sites updates with 8th edition to help me build my first squad. Thanks anon

>>53300213
>What is the extent of the customization of /yourdudes/?
You can paint them however you want, GW wants you to paint them however you want. If you want to paint your Black Templars silver, do it, call them something else, and keep using the Black Templars rules. No one gives a fuck as long as they can tell what their facing, i.e. your not proxying your Emperors Champion with a model of a Necron or something.

>>53300465
Win at all costs

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=1323064636&cc=61

worth it?

>>53300418
>I'm just looking for a small squad to play with friends, nothing too serious.
That's Shadow War Armageddon for you.

"Real" 40k carries a investment on the levee of a modern gaming console, for every single participant, plus the need for terrain, rule books, and the hours of work building and painting.
E single box i also comparative to a console game as is the time investment.

>>53300457
It's clearly a valhallan guardsman, you dolt. (It's literally a bug)

>>53300481
Oh, I always hated those fags. Unless you're in an actual competitive environment, which there is always room for, the core of this hobby should be having fun as an Armchair General and playing with your toys.

>>53300451

Well, to be fair, a large audience migrated when whfb died and AoS took over. Thing is, the audience of 40k was so many times larger than whfb, so even if we had a bunch of neckbeards they where still a minority. Doesn't make them less loud though, but at least I can chose to ignore and pick another group.

>>53300474
Yup! 8th edition is projected to release sometime June, probably about mid-month, though we don't have an official release date. Once it does release, the list builders will all update appropriately.

Because we don't have full rules, current wisdom on what units are good or bad in each faction is liable to change, so I'd recommend sticking with core units (HQ and troops) for whatever you choose to pick up, and hold off on the fancy extras until you know you want to use them. Though you said you were really into the crafts aspect, in which case you should just get whatever looks cool to you.

>>53300516
Should I just paint some tactical marines to waste the time?

>>53300482
I was going to say no, until i saw that shelf price for the full plastic set is twice that.

I for one wouldn't though.

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Can anyone identify this Space Marine bit for me? I know it's a backpack mounted icon, and is reminiscent of an Iron Halo, but I don't know what kit it comes from.

I got it from a Black Templar bits hoard I bought off of eBay back in August. Upon looking through the bits, I noticed that a fair few weren't actually from the BT Chapter upgrade set. Most of those non-BT bits ended up being from the command squad kit, but I haven't yet figured out what this bit is from. I want to make sure it isn't specific to another chapter before I put it on a Castellan or something.

>>53300512

These issues have been going on for a while, well before 2014.

It's not the 'neckbeards' either that are the problem, it's the majority of the community.

There are people in this thread waiting to see which factions are best before picking one. That's not the spirit of war-gaming.

>>53300554
It's a spiky bit.

>>53300554
Looks like the 8 pointed star to me.
burn this heretical artifact

>>53300121
I'd be very surprised if nid mcs didn't at least double their wound count.

battle cannon is a threat but it's still going to take a few turns to kill something.

>>53300554

It's from the terminator set, it goes on the back of the sergeant.

>>53300547
If you're playing SM, you really can't go wrong with tacticals. We just got an announcement about new Marines+ TM (Primaris Marines) which are shaping up to be tougher, longer-range tacticals which cost more and are less flexible, which won't be out till 8th drops. They shouldn't invalidate old marines, but to be safe I'd recommend only picking up a couple packs of the old tacticals.

>>53300576
>Looks like the 8 pointed star to me.
Consult your local eugenics provider.

I think IG platoons with lascannon teams will be fantastic in 8th.

>>53300547
You might want to play it even safer and do a vehicle, something that is definitely not going to become obsolete in 8th, like a drop pod or metal box. Depending on how geedubs handles them, Primaris Marines could end up being strictly better than Tactical Squads.

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>>53300583
>>53300592
Fuck off tzeentch it is clearly a heretical symbol do not trick us.

>>53300602

You must not be able to count.

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>>53300596
We were told we're getting primaris vehicles. Nothing is safe.

>>53300557
different anon but i get what you mean, i just started last year and have dark eldar and ad mech but most of the other people ive seen that started about the same time at my local place are playing tau.

>>53300586
I'm playing as Dark Angels successors, so I was going to slap them with some extra Plasma rifles I have so it's more 50/50 between the two.

>>53300596
I do need to get a flyer, but that's much more expensive and we're sort of iffy on flyers.

>>53300611
Counting is heresy and Tzeentch worship. If it looks slightly Chaos, it is chaos.

Fuck you, Chaos Daemon.

>>53300632

I think 40K is just too big for it's boots. It's the Star Wars of sci-fi and has transcended the normal boundaries into pop culture.

This unfortunately means the normies are piling in, people who under normal circumstance would have little interest in war-gaming and it's these people who bring the cancer.

How will the new rules for old blast weapons like the battle cannon be affected by ballistic skill? Is it just D6 shots, each hits on a 4+?

If so, fuck, small blast weapons are getting gimped hard. Average of 0.75 hits with BS 4+. Time to bin my mortar squads.

>>53300583
Alright, thanks for the help!

I'll probably put it on the backpack of a Sword Brother/Castellan/Marshal then.

>>53300665
They already showed us a blast weapon in one of the weapon posts.

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>>53300586
Old marines can be made to have similar proportions to the new ones, just saw apart their legs at the thighs and by the waists connection point then add plasticard (about 1mm thick) into the cut areas with double thickness for the waist and an extra layer under the feet they'll look much better.

I'm building an army to start playing with some friends when 8th edition releases but I have no idea about the lore. What are some good novels/videogames to catch up quickly and not feel left out when they start talking about marine chapters and all that stuff?

>>53300694
You'll want the waist extension to go above the belt, rather than below.

>>53300724
Just read the codices provided in the OP.

>>53300694
T-Rex arms

>>53300557

>Spirit of wargaming

Did you miss the AoS release?
People you thought the nicest guy at the club brought everything but the kitchen sink to utterly curbstomp just about everything. Even the shy guy who always claimed "I'm only in it for the models" turned out to be a total dick!

When it came down to it, most wargamers have no idea about morals and ethics, and needs a quick reference point chart to point to as to be able to play their op lists and believing its "fair". Hell, when GW stands for the rules, we should acknowledge that its as far from fair as you can get.

>>53300689

how is my list so far, anons?

>>53300781
You're missing:
CSM
Chosen
Chaos Termies
Havocs
Chaos Bikers
Raptors
Warp Talons
Helbrutes
etc

I can't seem to find a clear answer for some reason: does anyone know what khopeshes were usually made from? I was thinking of painting my power khopeshes to be slightly historically accurate on my scarab occult, if only at least in color.

>>53300547
You might want to consider getting a few Tau battlesuits, magnetizing and painting them. I'd say that is a pretty safe bet.

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>>53300776
>been playing the game for a few months, play DE
>have a fun list with my custom-made archon and army
>feel it's started to get a bit too cheesy thanks to two squads of 6 reavers in pretty much all my lists
>still, my winrate is mostly wins, but some close draws and losses
>go to a tourney at the local competitive store
>play against grey knights/deathwatch
>'oh, this shouldn't be too ba--'
>they drop rowboat girlyman and use psyker powers to basically guarantee assaults with him, then spend the game casually slapping my shit effortlessly

I don't think I'm going back to the competitive scene any time soon.

>>53300809
Metal, dumbass

>>53300809
Google it, it's literally in the first result.

>>53300809
You probably can't find a clear answer because it's not something archaeologists ever felt the need to specify, because they were only ever made out of one thing: bronze. They called it the bronze age for a reason, chief.

Props for trying to portray them accurately though. Bronze/gold looks gr8 on Thousand Sons anyway.

>>53300839
They where made in Bronze and Iron. We have examples of both.

>>53300839
Jesus, I feel stupid for not thinking of that. Thanks anon.
>>53300831
I was asking for what kind, baka anon.
>>53300836
Sorry, my google skills must be not up to par as of late. I couldn't see it while quickly searching so I was probably skimming too much or something. Thanks though.

>>53300770
Actually the reason this conversion works is because oldmarines have massive gorilla arms and huge barrel chests, so when you extend the waist and legs you end up with something somewhat sensibly proportioned.

>>53300870

I don't know why you would want to portray them as accurate, bronze and iron would be like hitting a tank with a toffee apple. They would be made from space metal in 40K.

>>53300557
Fuck off. It's not the communities fault that geedubs can't balance their game and in fact make it unbalanced for the sole purpose of shifting boxes.

Why on Earth would you get into the hobby only to get shitstomped at every turn because what you have fun fluffing, building and painting is not viable?

>>53301142
The sheer fact of their inability to balance the game attracts those kinds of people.

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>>53300048
guys this is important
what is gonna happen with tyranids in 8th?
are they going to lose even harder in their own codex than the last two times?
Will Rowboat Girlyman wrestle with the swarmlord and turn him into a hat?

Alright anons, lets do this: Squad of ten Rubric Marines with Axe Sorc vs squad of ten termies with power axes and combi-bolters, so no upgrades on either squad. Lets assume that terimes have 5++. Who wins in

>Melee, only five terminators
>Shooting at each other from +1 cover
>Shooting at each other in open

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>>53301164
Cruddace worked on 8th. You know what that means.

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>>53301235
>Cruddace worked on 8th.
plz no

>>53301262
>tyranid cucks on suicide watch

>>53301164

from the little trygon spoiler they gave being able to assault on arrival mitebcool. higher wound counts could be good.

same with orks, info seems to be promising.

>>53300341
Just have their symbol, but paint it red or something. Wouldn't be the first Dark Angels successor to use a modified version of the symbol.

>>53301232
Rubrics will get their asses handed to them in melee, especially since Power Fists will likely do more than 1 damage.

Rubrics edge out in shooting at long range and trounce them at close range.
If terminators get more shots on their Storm bolters to bring them up to speed with Chaos terminators (say assault 3) then they barely edge out at long range and with uppgrades or better spells the rubrics would likely win out.

>>53301164
>>53301312
Also no more instant death, so quite a few units now have a chance to use their multiple wounds

>>53301319
>especially since Power Fists will likely do more than 1 damage.
Not that it matters, since they are 1 wound each anyway

How do the Dark Angels feel about booty?
He did literally have Cypher in tow and he knows about baneI mean the fall

>>53301397
No it does matter, Rubrics have better invulns as well as armour VS 1 damage weapons, so if a power fist was D 1 even if it was AP -3 they'd still be making 4++ saves but since they probably won't be they get reduced to 5++.

>>53301397
it matters in that they get a better save agains weapons that only do 1 damage

>>53300554
99% sure its an iron halo

>>53301434
>>53301436
RIght, I forgot about that
It's just that too often we've seen people getting the general rule for multiple wounds wrong
Sorry

>>53301388
the changes to wounding also help big nid survivability. Much less stuff is going to be wounding on 2s.

>>53301235
is this true? I don't think they'd let this fucker get closer than 12 miles to a new codex after what he has done

>>53301479
yeah. all books have been group efforts by the dev team for a while now.

the upside is he hasn't been just him.

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>>53301479
think again

>>53301164
tyranids will be the squishiest factions among the squishy factions


you either manage an alpha strike or you die, faster than today

Do we now if there'll be Primarines in the starter box?
I want the rules and DG, but the market is saturated with vanilla marines and I dobt I'll be the only one trying to flip the smurfs.

It's ok. Nids aren't important.

>>53301388
>Also no more instant death
Holy shit if this is true I am gonna spam warriors again!

>>53301549
The starter box is likely nothing but numarines.

>>53301530
what about nidzilla and warrior spam?

>>53301549
Almost certainly friend

Find a buddy to split it with, that's what I'm doing

>>53301549
There is rumour flying around that new starter box will have both numarines and DG. 56 model for under 150$.
Would be sick if it's true.

>>53301558
Don't get ahead of yourself, shit like meltaguns and Lascannons now do D6 wounds per wound attempt.
Still a 66% chance to be instagibbed is a lot better than 100%

>>53301570
still die faster

>>53301558
There isn't, but the stronger weapons can now deal multiple wounds
For example a lascannon deals d6 wounds, while a missile launcher will most likely deal d3 wounds
It's still 1/3 or 2/3 chance of your warrior surviving, instead of immediately dying

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>>53301558
>>53301593
>>53301599

>Disintegrators do 2 wounds with AP -3
>Dissy Ravagers have 18 shots

Here comes the rape train!

>>53301621
Make those numarines cry.

>>53301621
I really, REALLY want to see what they are going to do with the Harlequins, since their Voidwaver is by far the weakest unit of the codex

>>53301558
Multiple wound weapons will be a thing, so don't get your hopes up.

>>53301571
>>53301588
>>53301566
I can hope.
I have a ultramarine aquaintance thats sure to pick up any Primarines.
We might even by a set each and swap halves.

But it's dependent on content.
Having inherired a fortune he pretty much owns what's already on sale.

>>53301654
They still need to stack the wound enough.
As is a battlecannons just deletes 90 points of warrior per shot if it touches the unit.

>>53301647
>>53301621
Actually I just calculated and you'll on average kill 6.66 numarines with it and another 3.16 in battleshock depending on what ATSKNF does.

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>>53301695
>depending on what ATSKNF does

C'mon now. We all know it means Marines ignore battleshock tests

So yesterday I had to be a functional normal adult and missed out on the announcements and /tg/ reaction. What do people think the DE are shaping up and the whole reserve business?

The trygon ability looks cool and could be useful for a surprise tentacle buttsex army with lictors [if they don't suck balls]

>Also mfw you talk a friend into a narrative game and you play the NPCs where Octarius has gone horribly wrong and orks and nids share general keywords so mailman trygon delivers stormboyz in your door. Or you consider nauts as troops so trygon delivers OP nobs in a naut

>>53301755
4 people respondend positively, the rest continued to roll on the floor covered in their own feces spamming memes and le epig reaction images.

Quick noob question, D6 wound means after roll to wound, I roll again for the number of shot right ?
For example: I get to have 3 roll wounds, then I roll the dice for number of shot, If I got 6 on the roll then that means I can fire 6 shots ?

>>53301787
But that's mostly because 4chan servers were down when the announcements came out and by the time they went back up the hype train was long dead.

>>53301686
>rip battlecannons

>>53301686
New Battle Cannon cauded D6 hits and each hit causes D3 wounds. So on some good rolls, you can delete 6 W3 models. There's also rumours that autocannons will be Dmg. D3, so each autocannon can kill a model with 2-3 wounds with one hit.

>>53301811
You for the number of shots, then roll to hit, then roll to wound, then your opponent rolls saves, then you roll damage.

>>53301811
No, d6 wounds means on every hit that lands, you roll to wound d6 amount of times on whatever model takes the hit.
You roll a 3 for wounds, a single model, not unit, takes 3 wounds you need to roll for.

>>53301755
>I had to be a functional
well, 4chan wasn't for half the day; when it came back it was releasing the pent up memes all together and the news got mostly unnoticed.

>>53301755

Gunboat are more durable
Disintegrators and Lances are great
They made a big deal about Incubi even though they haven't changed
They tried to hype wyches but they look terrible still

Overall, it was rather underwhelming for a hype piece.

>>53301833
wrong
>>53301831
right

>>53301558
Warriors only ever had one wound anyway, and instant death was what, a -1 to their FNP?
Seems a bit silly.

>>53301857
Tyranid, not necron.

>>53301811
Quick noob question, has anybody ever been so far as to make can do more look more like?

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>>53301857
you're probably thinking about the wrong warriors

>>53300583

Can confirm

>>53301863
Here I was thinking "WoC aren't even in 40k" yet

>>53301787
>>53301850
>>53301854

Thanks, I see I didn't miss much.

The No escape ability doesn't seem that OP, those riptides still have 50% chance of flying away

Okay so I had a thought. What would happen if one of the custodes guarding the Emperor on the Golden Throne just decided one day to walk up to his carcass and just sock him one right in his skeletal face?

Are the primaris marines going to be able to use regular PAULDRONS or will they need Terminator ones or something else? I'm wondering if I could use them for Dathwatch (just the figures, fuck their actual crunch).

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Here's a tyranid spoiler for you:
Warriors will have 4 wounds
You can screencap this if you want.

>>53301958
Helmets and shoulder pads are compatible.

>>53301972
Give us a points price then?

>>53301956
It's like asking why Kim Jong-il wasn't killed by one of his bodyguards.

>>53301956
He would be nuked by about a hundred other Custodes.

>>53301695
Gonna guess but probably halves Battleshock losses.

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does anyone have a comparison between Primaris and the new thousand son models?

>>53301973

Nifty. Six of them look like they *just* might be able to fit into a Razorback, too.

>>53301956
Well, considering that the carcass is powerful enough to sustain the astronomicon, the custodes would be literally vaporised once big E turned his atention to him in a split second.

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>>53301972
go on...

>>53301956

This is why the customers aren't getting primaris marines.

Yet.

>>53301979
>>53301981
>>53301995
Yeah yeah yeah obviously that dude would get iced but what I'm saying is do you think his mechanisms are so fragile that everything would break if some one did that? Do you think that would be the nail in the coffin? That it would mean that warp portal he's been holding closed would just open?

>>53301995
You're implying that the Custode in question wouldn't vaproise himself in a split second on sensing his disloyalty.

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>>53301988
Beef up their wafer thin feet and extend their tiny waists and they should look fine.

>>53301988
That's a sweet rubric. A few threads back someone did an overlay of the new rubric height on a primarine. Still shorter without the chaos hat but taller with. Check the archives.

>>53301998
10/10, you done did it.

>>53301988
>That dude is on a rock

>>53302024
Feels like it would be rather hard to notice during a game.

>>53302053
It's just texture paint.

>>53302053
They're both on a similarly sized rock so the comparison holds.

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>>53301530
Tyranids are not at all meant to be a squishy race. They have some squishy elements, but those aren't a defining feature of their racial identity, any more than you would say Chaos Space Marines is meant to be a squishy race because of Cultists.

Tyranids thing is adaptability. If you build them for survivability, focussing heavily on that to exclusion of other elements, they are supposed to be as hard to table as Necrons. If you focus them on speed, they should be as fast as Harlequins. If you take a little of each, you should have a very powerful combined arms force when everything does its job, but one that can be taken apart if each piece is countered correctly.

And, on the whole, properly represented Tyranids would lean much more on the "holy fuck these are hard to kill" side than the squishy side, see pic-related.

>>53302060
We're very tuned to notice difference in human anatomy, so it will likely be quite noticeable.

>>53301825
>So on some good rolls, you can delete 6 W3 models.
That's like magic christmas land level good rolls. As in like, if you play a hundred games of 40k with an army of all Leman Russ you might see this happen once.

>>53300378
>2 wounds, an extra attack, AND a longer range? they should be like 30-35 points each, and not the 13ppm regular marines are said to cost.
How is that better than two normal marines?

Best case scenario, they are twice as survivable as basic marines, but sometimes they will die to multi-wound weapons.

Best case scenario, they are twice as good in close combat with double the attacks. But sometimes special rules may grant a bonus attack per model or restrict them to one attack each. Also, they only fire one bolt pistol or grenade in close combat.

Their shooting is twice as deadly against 2+ saves (probably very common with power armour plus cover getting that) but this falls off rapidly against less armoured opponents. The extra range is nice too.

Morale rules favour small units, but marine units shouldn't be too concerned about that and you can always field multiple squads of five, which is better for filling out the FOCs and getting more CP.

So, they are as good as two marines with extended range under ideal conditions and only slightly better than one marine under worse ones. Twice the cost of a marine seems unreasonable, since they will often perform less well than two marines. At most I'd charge 25 points for them.

Also, doubt they will be 20 points or less. They cost 20% more simple points than a 5 man tactical squad and the tactical cost (probably) includes upgrades for the sergeant and special weapon (probably enough to bump their cost to about 100 points).

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I owe GGA some pics of Vostroyans after his great batrep last night.

Don't know why people keep going so sjw over not having females in the military
Y'know the time between conceptions for a female is ten months, but for a male is roughly the time it takes to down a glass of orange juice?
The best way the women of the imperium could contribute to the war effort is by fucking.
The best way they could help the Space Marines is by getting implanted by pre-implanated chads.
Failure rate is high, so don't go wasting your squishy ovaries on shitty probabilities- be an amazonian powerbitch and breed some heroes.

>>53302193
>Tyranids thing is adaptability. If you build them for survivability, focussing heavily on that to exclusion of other elements, they are supposed to be as hard to table as Necrons. If you focus them on speed, they should be as fast as Harlequins. If you take a little of each, you should have a very powerful combined arms force when everything does its job, but one that can be taken apart if each piece is countered correctly.
Nah, an army shouldn't be able to be the best in every field depending on the units you take
Good? Certainly, but in my opinion if an army has only one option (like the Harlequins that basically live for hyper-fast, squishy assault) it should be the best in that one option, without the risk of struggling against another army playing their same, only game

>>53302239
>>>/pol/

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>>53302234

Next is GWs best model, which might actually see play this edition.

>>53302193
Tbh this is the problem of nids in ruleswise
>They totes are bestest in everything! I should do whatever and win
And then the rules are shit in all directions. Same thing with orks too, they should be shooty, choppy, fast, durable, have artillery, have specialist for every occasion, vehicles are super important, light infantry is super important, heavy infantry is super important, knight sized shit is super important, be stupid fun, be super smart, be this, be that. There is no focus. Having incompetent rules writers won't help but you get my point, right? In a versus game with asymmetrical balance having one faction that specializes in everything just can't work.

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>>53302248

Camo cloaks are cool.

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>>53301408
Dark Angels are traitors and treat Girlyman accordingly
Chaos tends to do that to your mind

>>53302264
Do you ever get tired, forcing such repetitive memes so frequently?

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>>53300378
>>53302219

>Ork Boy
> 6ppm

>Ork Nob
>+1 Wo
>+1 Str
>+1 Attk
>+1 Init
>18 ppm.

If 8th is balanced this should inform things a 'lil

>>53302244
>>>/t/umblr

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>>53302271
>like clockwork

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>>53302261

>>53300665
That's how it works, but there have been some hints that D6 shots is for small blasts and the battle cannon was nerfed because the 2D6 they are giving large blasts made it too effective as a tank-killer.

Just hoping ork weapons like the kill kannon are 3D6 or more.

>>53300378

You'll get your Khorne Flakes sooner or later, stop whinging

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>>53302284

Last pic.

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>>53302283
Nicely done

>>53302242
It's different if the options are chosen before the game rather than during it.

If nids could change their focus mid-game from fast&squishy to something else, then you're correct, they shouldn't be able to be as good as the usual fast&squishy race. But they can't.

What you're saying is that if nids built their army to play like Harlequins, once they're on the table, they're simply worse Harlequins, and ergo there was no point in building them that way and they should always go for whatever they actually do best. That kills the whole point of the variety. If you hyperspecialize a Tyranid force in one particular direction than it should be almost exactly equal with the race that usually dominates in that field, because once the list is built and the models are on the table their adaptability is no longer an advantage of any sort. It *only* exists in the listbuilding stage.

Now, they do tend to lean towards certain things, and have certain rules they can't break, and overall they're supposed to be designed so that they work the best when you mix a little of everything into one force and use it all correctly. But "jack-of-all-trades, master of none" only works as a design philosophy when you're able to stay jack-of-all-trades after deployment.

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>>53302193
I object.

During the Shield of Baal, Tyranid could not withstand the heat of Burning One. Large and small, Tyranids were melted and ashed left and right. Even the biotitan couldn't endure but moments before succumbing and collapsing from its wounds and then exploding as the C'tan super heated its body.

Tyranids are hella squishy.

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>>53300416
>muh strong independent
>man is scared

in the original version the woman is not even looking scared. Skimpy maybe, like he is. I hate this constant lowkey politization of everything these people do.

>>53302264
Nah, they won't actually do anything. You have to remember that Azrael said that if the Imperium ever discovered the Fallen and decided to destroy The Unforgiven, they wouldn't do anything to stop them and accept the punishment rather than see a second civil war.

>>53302332
>giving him (You)s

>>53302275
Nobs also get to swing big choppas.
If you could gave full squads of big choppa boyz...

>>53302244
>>53302282
>>/out/

>>53300214
People seem to forget this happens with everything gw has ever released since the internet was a thing. Knee jerk drama queens start screaming. Week after release, they don't care anymore and are threatening to toss their army based on new salty rumours.
Rinse and repeat.

>>53302338
>>>/r/Warhammer40k

>>53302260
But that's a strawman argument anon. The key is that the nids aren't the best at everything all at once, and they aren't better than other races at the things those races are best at, merely equal, IF they specialize for that role.

On top of that, Tyranids have unique drawbacks which no other armies have. And really the correct way to design Tyranids would be to make them weak on the Objectives game. This is essentially how it worked in 2nd ed. Tyranids were playing basically a different game from everyone else, where they COULD NOT win with objectives points - they were extremely strong, but they HAD to break or kill their opponents units to get points.

>>53302323
That's an explanation why the new lore is bad, it has nothing to do with the established racial themes of Tyranids which come first.

Alright, this is probably a stupid question, but I'm just looking for some general advice.

Today, my squad of Sternguard Vets should be arriving in the mail. I play BT, and was going to equip them with combi-meltas, load them in a drop pod, and have them deploy near heavy-infantry or vehicle targets and fire their meltas.

There is, of course, the issue of the edition change. Should I wait til 8th releases, and see how meltaguns perform before equipping my Sternguard Sword Brethren with them? Or is it a pretty safe bet that this tactic will continue to be effective?

>>53302351
So what's the point of other armies if nids are just as good at their special thing?

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>>53302336
>>53302271
hello again

>>53302367
Melta is already revealed.
S8 rend 4 d6 dmg/2d6 pick highest in half ranxe.

>>53302367
I would say that combimeltas are going to be rad now, since they can shoot as much as they want and not just one shot. Just load them into a drop pod for sucidiesquadding or keep them in transport, shooting bolters and popping big things with 5 melta shots

My 10 man vet squad will be full kitted with combiplasmas.

>>53302338
>that costs extra
But yes tell me all about your two Str 5 AP 5 attacks, you sad 2h sap.

>>53302385
combimeltas*

Man fuck stormsurges.

Will combined arms be viable in this edition, it would be nice not to have to take a transport for every unit in my army? Currently, most transports are so much better than their equivalent value in bodies.

>>53302367
>>53302384
>>53302385
Still wait until next edition (or magnetize them), since we don't know yet if they'll be cost-worthy

>>53302372
Completely different flavour, aesthetic, personality, ability to take allies, and that they still keep all their advantages against an enemy who doesn't specialize for the same role.

It's like asking what's the point of taking Conscripts when CSM has Cultists. It's also assuming that whenever you play against Tyranids they're going to have specialized to do the same thing as your army, instead of going in some totally different direction that overlaps with another army entirely.

>>53300547
Don't see how that's wasting time. That's the exact opposite

>>53302385
>Just load them into a drop pod for sucidiesquadding
This is going to be harder than it used to be since you won't be able to Deep Strike in close enough to get the half-range melta bonus.

>>53302410
Didn't say I wouldn't be having fun. I'm heading out to pick them up in a couple of hours. Going to see if the hobby shop I go to sells beakie helmets. Last time I went they sold some bits.

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>Abaddon boasts the warp path will lead right to Terra
>instead just loops around it and goes even further away in fear of Emps
top lel

>>53302323
>The Tyranids couldn't survive the supernatual flames of a C'tan, a being that possesses more metaphysical control over reality itself than most Psykers could ever hope to match, who casually mess with space, time and other fundamental constants as easily as breathing

The Burning One wasn't using a heavy flamer and pretending to be a pyromancer, anon.

>>53302405
I can jerk off to lore and flavor without the game and its rules. And comparing two units is a lot different than comparing two armies.
Gameplay wise, what is the point of other armies if nids could do their shit and whatever else too?

>>53302420
Drop, move and hopefully half range. If the Drop pod doesn't scatter an awful lot, most of times you can get there.
Deepstriking with droppods is an art by itself.

>>53301726
nah. by the sounds of it basically nothing does. not even synapse.
it'll probably be a reroll or something.

When's the Alliances update?

>>53302461
Vehicles, today.

>>53302433
Armless the Harmless does it again!

>>53302444
There is no more scattering, and apparently you can't move after deepstriking (but you can assault)

>>53302467
Fire Prisms are finally gonna be beastly with templates gone, right?

>>53302437
You can't separate gameplay from lore and flavour in a game entirely built around lore and flavour.

If you're a WAACfag who cares nothing about what your army looks like, or its background, or narrative elements or anything like that, and you'd be just as fine playing with pieces of cardboard with names scribbled on them in sharpie, then maybe the race focussed most heavily around customizability WOULD be the ideal race for you. Most people don't care about breaking 40k down to just the rules though, they want to play Their Dudes and tell cool stories and see the battlefield come alive. And it's not a balance issue either, because again there's a massive difference between being able to be set up to play in any style before the game starts, and changing on the fly during the game to take advantage of circumstances, which Tyranids CANNOT do.

Your being cancer shouldn't stop the Tyranids from being represented the way they were intended and which all their fluff was written around.

>>53302444
You can't move after Dropping.

>>53302490
Then why does it matter if nids have good or bad rules?

>>53302499
Because anyone who says they don't care about winning is a hypocrite.

so will Dark Eldar still dominate Tyranids easily?

>don't even have to bring anti-tank because lol poison
>far too fast for nids
>if they bother to bring anti-tank triple lance ravager will easily cripple if not outright kill most nid monsters.

>>53300103
No game wide special rules anymore.

A unit that had fear in 7th probably has specific rules on its datasheet similar to fear before.

But no, no more fear.

>>53302433

I really want to know what Desperation is. I suspect it has something to do with that Astro Telepathic Duct which I'm guessing is how the Dar Imperium manages to navigate. But there's a WAAAGH right next door to Desperation too...

>>53302499
You clearly just missed the entire point of what I was saying if you're asking that question. Narrative and flavour is inseparable from rules. These two things work together. Bad rules detract from the Your Dudes experience just as much as unpainted armies and WAACfaggotry.

All armies should have balanced rules, but even more importantly, all armies should have rules that make them actually feel like those armies. If Tyranid players only cared about winning they would just run Codex: Craftworld Eldar in 7th edition, proxying their Warriors as scatbikes and their big bugs as Wraithknights and shit. But that's not what the majority of the playerbase wants.

The fact that you don't get this throws up huge fucking redflags about the sort of person you are to game against.

>>53302513
>>far too fast for nids
In the edition where all their shit can charge from Deep Strike, starting on turn 1, and their basic infantry have higher move values than you? I don't think so.

>>53302531
>but even more importantly, all armies should have rules that make them actually feel like those armies.
But 40k would be horrible game if it was literally 1:1 copy of its lore. Might as well play freeform and constantly 1up each other if you just want to powerwank to your dudes. Like, tau couldn't ever lose because every other army would be dumbed down at the start of the game and tau player could pull out some deus ex if he was still losing.
>my titan stomps your space marine flat!
>nu-uh! His terminator armor is like super strong and he comes out unscathed!

>>53302433
>medusa isnt marked on that map
>where are the iron hands
>guys
>WHERE ARE THE IRON HANDS

>>53302323
since when did requiring a god to kill you make you squishy?

>>53302593
Squatted with not even a special character to show for it.

>>53302573
It's not about power, it's about style and feel.

You know what, just don't worry about it. We're not the game designers so it's inconsequential what we think, all we can hope is that they just do their job right.

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Can someone post the imperial guard meme? You know the one.

>>53302593
Facebook confirmed that Medusa and the Iron Hands are still there, they just didn't have room to fit everything.

>>53302593
They said not all planets are signed on the map

Only the ones people care about

>>53302573
my hypothethical ideal is a world where all the books and stuff all feature feats and combat directly lifted from the game, where what happens in the fluff is replicable in the game

even if this means a space marine is only worth about 3 guardsmen in a fight instead of 300 [s/spoiler]

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>>53302518
That might be something good for fearfags, since it will be stronger or weaker depending of the one who causes it

And I believe Night Lords were quite terrifying

>>53300400
Typhus>Plauge Termies>Plauge Marines>Plauge Cultists>Dark Angels>Custodes>Primaris>ANGRY GOD dollowers>Termies> Manlet Marines> GAY GOD> Chaos that doesn't follow a god> Tzeentch fags

>>53302490
You were doing great and I agreed with you so far but then you blew it and insulted the other anon. The hive mind is sad now

>>53302317
Sweet work, anon. Really liked the banner.

>>53302646
I wasn't calling him a WAACfag per se, it was a hypothetical.

>>53302433
>Screaming Vortex isn't even on the map
Lame.

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The real question is: will Tervigons be good again in 8th?

>>53302433
Armless the harmless is such a bad character he had only had on relevant victory in 10.000.
He is so lame that the entire BC needed to be rewritten so he wouldn't suck so much.

Daily reminded that planet broke before the Guard.

Black Crusde victory score:
Imperium 10
Chaos 2 (3 if you count the 14th now renamed 13th lol)
Orks 1

GW please make a decent bad bug and remove the Harmless

>>53302716
Not with that microscopic image they won't.

>>53302716
probably. a high toughness high wounds troop choice that can summon more troops should be pretty handy for grabbing and holding objectives.

>>53302716
I have no idea, and if we end up having to pay reinforcement points to spawn termagants they'll be pretty bad actually. My guess is that, instead, they'll have a rule that lets you bring back D6 termagants for broods within X inches each turn or something.

>>53302651
I see your point, also you are right in here >>53302531
I think that each each faction can be unique in their own playstyle and there will still be overlapping of strategies because of flexibility and this should be especially true with nids which should fill each role but still do it in their own unique biological super evolving way
>DE on a hunt game after the fastest nids because they got bored of poking white scars / bad moons

>Nids have no option but try to nom a fortress world maned by imperial fists so they assault with thick carnifexes and armoured infantry / artillery

First is glasscannon vs glasscannon and second is heavy vs heavy from a sterile rule wise point of view but I bet the Game could feel unique balanced and fun if rules allow it

>>53302716
you can bet not

rupture cannon will be a beast of a ejaculatory weapon tho

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>>53302520

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Desperation

Not quite as exciting as you'd expect, but still don't know what the astro-telepathic duct is.

>>53302756
>rupture cannon will be a beast of a ejaculatory weapon tho
>tyranids
>getting a viable anti tank gun
>with cruddace still at GW
not gonna happen

>>53302784
Primanlet looks like a lanklet compared to /fit/ stocky nurgle marine desu anon

Tbh in hype for trygons due to putting max size gaunt units in range or a tervigon if they are still troops

>>53302784
The death guard dude is almost squatting.

>>53302784
Wonder what traitor chance will Chad marines have.
Astartes have like a 50% traitor chance and about 90% daddy issues.
Adeptus Astartes have what 20% traitor chance and like 90% chance of getting the Squat.
Primaris Marines have ?% and 99% of the only new marines release for the next years.

>>53302838
I'm not sure a tervigon fits within 3" of a trygon

the best thing in my opinion would be hormagaunts: irrelevant enough to not attract too much fire compared to the trygon, numerous and fast enough to manage to charge 2 or 3 units in the next unit

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/05/17/bring-it-down/

This week: Why you shouldn't use a lasgun for everything.

>>53301232
In melee
>Making some assumptions about rules; no bonus attacks for charging, no bonus attacks for pistols.
>Sorcerer's pistol hits on a 3+ (0.67 hits), wounds on a 4+ (0.33), terminator saves on 4+ (0.17)
>Sorcerer does 2 attacks, hits on 3+ (1.33), wounds on 3+ (0.89), terminators save on 4+ (0.44) average damage is 1.67, since you can't do 3 wounds to a terminator (0.74)
>Each rubric does 1 attack, hits on 3+ (0.67), wounds on 4+ (0.33), terminator saves on 2+ (0.06)
>Each terminator gets two attacks, hits on 3+ (1.33), wounds on 3+ (0.89), rubric saves on 4+ (0.44) with the +1 bonus from All is Dust.
Even with the rubrics hitting first, this doesn't look good for them.
>First round, they inflict about 1.4 wounds on the terminators, not enough to kill one.
>Terminators hit back and kill 2.2 rubrics.
>Next round terminators take 1.3 wounds, losing a guy
>Four terminators kill 1.78 rubrics, call it four lost total
>five remaining rubrics and sorcerer do about 1.2 wounds, again not quite enough to kill a terminator on average.
>another couple of rubrics die, three left. This barely dents their killing power which is mostly in the sorcerer
>another terminator dies
>three remaining termies kill another rubric
>on average they haven't done quite enough wounds to kill another terminator, but it's close
>one more rubric down
>one more terminator dead
>last rubric dies
>sorcerer wounds a terminator
>dies

With shooting, it's more straightforward.

Terminators get slightly more than twice as many shots (sorcerer doesn't have a boltgun) but the sorcerer does 0.94 mortal wounds in the psychic phase if within 18"
In cover, terminators save on 3+, rubrics on 2+.
Out of cover, terminators save on 4+, rubrics on 2+.

At 24" terminators kill 0.11 rubrics per terminator, or 1.11 for all ten.
Rubrics kill 0.06 terminators each in cover, 0.08 out of cover. 0.5/0.75 terminators for nine...

>>53302865
>the next turn

>>53302866
That blog thingy. I'm sure it is run by old players that know how silly things have gone.

Instead of just biching they are making fun out of it and making money in the process

>>53302838
>>53302865
yeah a tervigons base is still 4 inches across its narrower side. You cant use one with the trygon.

the best use is probably just a full unit of hormagaunts to multicharge and eat overwatch for the trygon.

>>53302866
ironically, lasguns actually can hurt a stompa now
not very well, requiring more than 500 hits to do job by itself (probably way more since 500 was for a bolter), but it could likely shave off a wound or 2, and finish the job the melta started

>>53302784

Heaven forbid I actually want my 28mm models to be fucking 28mm.

No giant retards for me thanks.

>>53302867

>Note, this is generic chaos terminators with combi-bolters and power axes, as specified. Seems that some other posters didn't catch that detail.

...At 18" shooting is the same, but the sorcerer is killing almost half a terminator by himself, tipping the balance in the thousand son's favour if there is no cover.
At 12" the sorcerer adds his pistol, everyone else gets double the shots. This means terminators are killing 2.22, rubrics kill 1.06/1.56 terminators, plus 0.47 for the sorcerer.

Just realised, I didn't account for the sorcerer using smite in the melee combat. With that, his unit would win.

This assumes that you can assign wounds as you like to your units, making unit leaders and special weapons really good.

>>53302921
The way the new rules work, the Bolter and Lasgun are exactly as effective as each other against anything that's Toughness 8 or higher.

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Nid design hasn't been good since the 3rd edition.

>>53300378
Unless they are undercosted they'll prob be considered shit.
The (at this stage) apparent prevalence of AP and multi damage means that, all things being fair, they'll be shelved for being weak in the meta.
At least the Tactical equivalent. The Special, Heavy, and Assault equivalents might do better

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>>53302965
Nid design was shit in 3rd edition.

>>53302716
You'll probably have to use reserve points to summon gaunts so probably not.

>Horrors have to pay points to split, so it looks like they're going to remove all summon free shit. Which is a good thing.

>>53300218
How did UMs gain Marines? Did some heresy era UMs get released by Taryzan?

>>53303015
>Did some heresy era UMs get released by Taryzan?
Yes, they then got fucked by Chaos

>>53303022
Shame I would have loved to see some stories about legonares adjust to being slingshotted 10k years in the future

>>53300218
Space Wolves: they took heavy damage in Warzone: Fenris. So expect Primarius Wolves

Blood Angels: currently they're isolated from Terra and preparing to fight off the Tyranids. Expect Rowboat to arrive to save the day and release Primarius Blood Angels

>>53302993

But that's not 3rd.

>>53303033
>LaughingAeldarisluts.jpg

>>53303000
Imagine if they made it so you could deploy termagaunts from tervigons like a transport vehicle, basically buying juice for those ovaries.

>>53303064
Warhammer is not an outlet for your fetish porn anon.

>>53303064
They might do that. Tervigons can act as unlimited* gaunt summoners

* so long as you paid for them :^]

>>53303052
that's the point

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You are now aware that these guys were a test run for the triumvirates.

>>53302784
The angle doesn't seem to be the same. There's parallax.

>>53300303
People like the models, not so keen on the fluff to get to them.

>>53302648

Thanks man. I'm pretty proud of it.

>>53302284
I'd die needlessly for that man

>>53303099
Man, Genestealer!Celestine's Geminae are small... can he at least bring one back once a turn?

>>53303148
>Celestine's Geminae are small...

look at celestine herself, she looks definitely extra thicc

>>53302982
>The (at this stage) apparent prevalence of AP and multi damage means that, all things being fair, they'll be shelved for being weak in the meta.

From the price of the multi-melta, it seems that such weapons will be significantly more expensive.

Of course, it depends on what people play to some extent. At the moment, marines are very common, so weapons optimised against marines are taken a lot. This will probably be true of primaris marines too, with multi-wound weapons seeming to be everywhere because they are necessary to deal with what people are playing.

>>53301873
...what.

>>53301235
So that's why standard guard are going to be fucking good
>>53301479
He's fine as the Guard guy
Let him do guard, Eldar and Tau, while keeping him away from other shit

>>53303148
Genestealer familiard cant actually die. They just give two S4 rending attacks each.

Oh, and one gets to be psychic

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>>53302965
>>53302993
>nids

>>53303201

We've got our top translators in the Astra Telepathica working on it sir.

>>53303203
Why DID they let him do the Tyranid Codex? Twice?

>>53302926
It's a 32mm game now anon

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>>53303222

>>53303227
Tyranids were OP so they were fine with him debuffing them
They kept him on as they would of been happy with the result
Then the 6th ed codex came out
Keep in mind that his Guard codex is the only reason he's still in GW

So on warbuggies in 8th:
>Twl Big Shoota
36" S5 twl assaut 3*2 Bs 5
or
>Skorcha
10-12" S5 rend 1 assault D6 autohit

>>53303217
>Genestealer familiard cant actually die. They just give two S4 rending attacks each.
>Oh, and one gets to be psychic

Genestealer!Celestine < Imperium!Celestine

Cruddace strikes again!

>>53303227
the 6th edition dex they just threw together in 10 minutes in order to fuck over chapterhouse as a revenge. they didn't give a shit about nid players

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>>53303073
>Warhammer is not an outlet for your fetish porn anon.
Anon i have a xenomorph fetish, literally everything in the tyranid army IS my fetish.
the hint of pregnancy and fertility play is just icing on the cake.

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>>53303064
>>53303073
>>53303266

>>53303080
I mean if tervigons are still scoring units as long as you filled 'em up with gaunts and they dont pop every gaunt in sight on death (That was a balance rule for infinite termagaunts after all) Id be okay with it.

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>>53303266

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>>53303266
Don't we all anon.

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>>53303073
>implying

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>>53300214
>>53303112
manlets detected.

>>53302936
This does show how nasty psykers are now. The sorcerer's smite is equal to 3-9 inferno bolters. Even a multi-melta or lascannon is going to struggle to keep up with that. A full-power psyker is going to be brutal.

Shame that the sniper rules seem to mean most races' psykers are barely going to get used. Weirdboys, primaris psykers, even farseers are going to be sniper-bait. Terminator librarians / sorcerers, greater daemons and tyranid ones should be decent though.

>>53303225
Well work faster damn it!

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>>53303266
GSCB pls go

>>53303227
Same as with the Ork dex.
Noone in-house plays or gives a fuck about them so it was just given to whoever had nothing better to do.

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>>53303306
The fact that 4th generation genestealer hybrids give birth to purestrain genestealers is the epitomy of pandering to fetishists

>>53303300
in case you really don't know: it's an old meme, anon. Akin to 'help me /tg/ I accidently the whole thing'.

>>53303243
>Newkid getting a reaction .gif on OC
I feel... complete.

>>53303308
It's sad how Old* GW was so unprofessional. If one of the ascended fanboys (employees) happened to like one faction, they'd play blatant favorites (Kelly, looking at you and the Ynnari) while if they disliked the faction they'd nerf it (Cruddace and his butthurt about Tyranids 'noming his tanks)

>*implying New GW will be any different.

>>53303329
Funny that it's meme'd to someone who didn't understand the original, newer meme

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>>53303222

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Recently got into table top 40k and I've got a few questions.

If I used a ForgeWorld World Eaters conversion kit on GW CSM, would I still be allowed to play by GW rules or not?

Also, what's the best way to represent obscure factions such as Storm Wardens? Other than getting custom sculpts and models, could I just stick on some decals or paint their respective insignia and call it a day?

>SOs will get 4 S4 -2 shoots each
>They are likely to have Force and additional defense buff to go with their shiny two wounds
>Soulreaper canon is pretty amazing, as will probably be missile rack and heavy warpflamer
>Sorcerer will likely have unnerfed Smite and other cool powers

T-they won't be overpriced, r-right?

>>53303413
>If I used a ForgeWorld World Eaters conversion kit on GW CSM, would I still be allowed to play by GW rules or not?
There are no FW specific World Eaters rules. As long as models are WYSIWYG for equipment, you're all good.

>Storm Warden
Paint, decals, use a Scottish accent while playing, give everybody claymores.