EDH/Commander General

>>53289924
>boardwipe insurance
He's a great blink target actually, that's what you should be using him for.

>>53291298
"Great" is a stretch. He's an ACCEPTABLE blink target. The reason it was so good in Standard was because just juking a single removal spell with Restoration Angel was backbreaking- they thought they were dropping 2 damage off your board, but you ended up getting 6 more, and 5 life to boot. And it was great in multiples.

There's a reason it became a 2 dollar card when it rotated- it's just not that good in other formats. It's too expensive and slow for Modern and Legacy, and it's too non-impactful for Commander. There's way better blink targets.

Thread is ruined, make another one.

>>53291331
Just for you

>>53278600
>>53278600
>>53278600

>>53291298
>boardwipe insurance
>having a 3/3 on the board

Thats fucking nothing.

>>53291373
I mean, it's not NOTHING, but it's not great. If you're putting a card in as "boardwipe insurance", there's better options.

>>53291373
Boardwipe insurance was >>53289924 argument tho', I actually think he's a better blink target.

>>53291408
He's not even very good at that.

Oh boy, a 3/3 and 5 life at the cost of whatever blink card I used. I'd rather hit a Witness to regrow cards, or something that draws cards. The 5 life is basically a non-thing, and the 3/3 is mediocre at best considering you need Thrag and a blink enabler for it.

It's really not worth a slot outside of Beast Tribal.

Best commander for mono blue artifacts?

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Am I missing anything?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/big-blue-deck-1/

>>53291532
best one is arcum dagsson

>>53291666
>Wincon (27)
>27x Snow-Covered Island
Is this a ruse?

>>53291754
Can't win without em.

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Any Boros bros have experience with pic related? I've been debating about its inclusion. I already have a Grand Abolisher and aren't sure if this is overkill.

>>53292134
If you have a lot of trouble with people fucking up your shit on your turn, a single duplicate effect isn't overkill.

>throw together a Zur deck
>bring it to LGS
>turns out everyone has a hateboner for Zur
what are some fun/novel things I can do with this guy? I don't like playing combo, but if I'm targeted with extreme prejudice based on the commander alone, I might as well be mean.

>>53292295
Or you can keep it non-dickish so they stop picking on it.

If you brought it once, said "It's not a combo deck", got hated off the table, and then the next time you show up you start comboing off on turn 3, people are gonna think you were lying from the start.

>>53292350
Good point. I really dislike combo wins in multiplayer EDH, and I would rather avoid it. A lot of the deck as it is now was taken from an Alesha death & taxes build, and it's kinda fun. What's really missing is cheap enchantments that actually get me closer to winning; nearly all the Zur targets are there specifically to prevent the combo players' bullshit (Aura of Silence, Rest in Peace, Blind Obedience, etc.). I recently picked up a Training Grounds and I would love for it to earn a home for itself with Zur...

>>53292471
Voltron it up. Cram it full of silver bullets for the other player's combos, and then slap Edge of the Divinity and Steel of the Godhead and Helm of the Ghastlord onto him and just start doming motherfuckers.

>>53291235
So what are the tribal commander decks gonna be, you think?

Just finished building Xenagos. Anything I should add or remove?

>>53292572
Forgot link

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/648410#paper

>>53292515
Forgot I had the first draft of the decklist online:
http://www.mtgfanatic.com/decks/viewdeck.aspx?id=177124
I'll pick up those Shadowmoor-era auras. Is Phyresis degenerate?

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This plus Sakura Tribe Elder gets every basic plains in my deck, right?

>>53292134
I think it's fantastic. Goes in a lot of my nonblue decks and even some of my blue ones.
>>53293044
Yes.

Any feedback for this pile?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/silas-renn-partnerless-extrodinaire/
Tapping Winter Orb eot to Improvise a Whir finding Tangle Wire is pure sex.

>>53293044
Yeah.

>>53288167
Hey mate, my brother runs Sram too.

Some cards you should definitely include:
>Bone Saw
>Cathar's Shield
>Spidersilk Net
>Accorder's Shield
>Paradise Mantle
>Kite Shield
And any other 0 CMC equipment you can find. Trust me, these will quickly become your favourite cards.

You can also run some enchantment removal:
>Faith's Fetters
>Arrest
>Prison Term
>Darksteel Mutation
Removing activated abilities from a commander can cripple many decks.

If you want to incorporate more enchantments then these are a good place to start.
>Spectra Ward
>Unquestioned Authority
>Flickering Ward
>Messa Enchantress

If you don't want to incorporate any enchantments then Foundry Inspector, Helm of Awakening and Cloud Key are a good ideas. The more equipment you can cast for 0 the better.

Celestial Crusader isn't necessary because we're going tall, not wide. Mentor of the Meek isn't useful because you're not running many creatures, and it's redundant because we have a draw engine on our commander.
I recommend swapping them out for aggressive creatures that create tokens. I know, I just said we were going tall instead of wide, but from my experience (and this is highly dependent on your meta) Sram is vulnerable to "player sacrifices a creature" effects, which some token production can fix.
Hero of the Bladehold and Brimaz are good options in this regard as they are attractive targets for equipment anyway.

Smuggler's Copter and Cultivator's Caravan are goodstuff vehicles.

Blade of Selves isn't worth it because Sram is legendary; all his tokens will be exiled. Even if they weren't, they would still only be 2/2's. Blade of Selves is best used when exploiting ETB triggers, which this decks doesn't really do.

It's better (and funner) to play five 1cmc equipment to draw five cards than it is to play one 5cmc to one card. In a Sram deck, Bonesplitter is better than Sword of Kaldra.

It's okay to not run many lands.

>>53293200
Also Dead-Iron Sledge and Pariah's Shield aren't really good ideas, because the deck really relies on Sram being alive. Anything that kills Sram will cripple our engine.

Also, even though I said it's good to run cheaper equipment, you should still have a couple "bomb" equipment, like Argentum Armor, that you can tutor for with Stoneforge Mystic and Stonehewer Giant

>>53292545
If it's as disappointing as the previous commander set, then it will be elves, goblins, zombies, humans/soldiers and their oversupported ilk.

I'd like to see more dwarves or minotaurs.

>>53293465
I think it will be elves, zombies, goblins, merfolk and angels. Humans are too spread out in the color pool to have a coherent tribal deck.

>>53293465
>>53293810
I think they're savvy enough to not do the really obvious tribes. They created Nephilim commanders to fill a hole in design space, rather than just heaping more cards into the usual color combos, so there's a good chance they'll use these tribal commanders to print some stuff for tribal people want to play but don't get much of a chance to because it's too undersupported currently.

>>53293810
There are only 4 decks
>>53293868
They've explicitly said it'll be the most popular and interesting tribes (read: elves, zombies, goblins, werewolves, vampires, merfolk, angels or dragons)

Anyone thought about doing a Hope of Ghirapur deck for 1v1 commander? Play with lots of mana rocks and cut off half their deck while building up to the biggest fatties. Cast him, attack and turn off their spells, then cast Ullamog. They can't do anything until your next turn, by which time you have the game in the bag.

Rate my janky group hug but-not-really group hug deck. Anything I should take out, add?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/youre-gonna-draw-so-much-youll-get-tired-of-it/

>>53293922
Yeah, "popular" is the operative word there. I don't think it necessarily means "popular" as in "the most widely played" tribes, I think it could easily be tribes people really like the idea of but don't have support for. You gave Werewolves as an example there, and I think that it's an apt one. A tribe that's definitely not "oversupported" or widely played, because it's significantly weaker than many other tribes. Commander is the perfect place for them to print premier support they couldn't or didn't print in Standard, either due to set limitations or powerlevel concerns.

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REEEEE need suggestions for my commander to make it good please help! need it for this weekend!
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/monowhite-voltron/

>>53294332
see
>>53293200
>>53293286

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>>53294332
Strata Scythe, Tithe, Gift of Estates, Angel of Jubilation, Wrath of God, FLICKERING WARD

>>53294332
I wrote some shit here: >>53293200

The most important takeaway is to get all the 0cmc equipment. You won't appreciate just how good they are until you've played with them.

Turn 1:
>Plains
>Sigarda's Aid
Turn 2:
>Plains
>Sram
>Bone Saw
>Cathar's Shield
>Spidersilk Net
>Accorder's Shield
>Paradise Mantle
>Kite Shield
Draw a card, draw a card, draw a card, draw a card

Live the dream

>>53294266
I don't trust them to make an actually interesting Werewolf legend.
I don't trust them to make interesting commander-focused legends at all.

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>>53294624

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damn 0cmc saw people play this shit until they get field wiped by some fag and kept starring at there field being empty form bullshit!
Thanks for the these suggestions im gonna start adjusting now im gonna scavenge hunt this shit!

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How is Zur a "try hard earn instant hate" card? He doesn't seem that powerful, but I am far more of a Timmy player than I'd ever admit in real life...

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>>53294738

I wonder

>Thread Question
I'd like new Extort cards, preferably noncreature. I wouldn't like an Extort commander though, since most Orzhov commanders already have a life drain theme. I'd just like new cards to use on the already existing commanders.

>>53294738
"you may search your library for an enchantment card with converted mana cost 3 or less and put it onto the battlefield" doesn't sound powerful to you?

>>53294738
>cheat aura spells into play on him
>hit people for 21 damage turn 6
>?????
>win game.

granted someone in my play group plays Zul and doesn't go Voltron and goes pillowfort control. It is super consistent and annoying.

>>53294753

Now I get it.

>>53294821

I will never deny sometimes being dumb. The first thing my mind went to is grabbing Auras and going Voltron, which is dumb and a waste of his ability (I see that now).

>>53294738

The problem with Zur are combos that can straight up win you the game on the spot, and the fact you can tutor them the moment you attack with him. It's incredibly consistent, and with the right amount of money you can even build a deck that 1 wins.

>>53294738
How do you feel about Ghave?

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>>53294738
>best tutor color
>best control color
>best general color
Gee.

Does anyone have a half-decent Rakdos discard list? I just want to throw everything in the "rave yard" and reanimate my way to victory.

Also, what can I run to exile my opponents graveyards? I know tormods, but I want to run twilight's call and the like, and I don't know how to make it not-terrible.

>>53295017

Literally never played with or against him.

>EDH with a Memnarch controller
>Play Mycosynth Lattice
>About to have tons of fun stealing people's planar lensed islands from them for infinite pillaging
>Next player immediately throws out a Merciless Eviction

Damn it.

>>53295177
Well, you know what he does? Take a peak and tell me what you think.

>>53291532
Best? Arcum. Funnest? Jin "The Chin" Jan ,The Augur Man, Gitaxias.

>>53291532
>>53291679
>>53295315
From what I've gathered, the Teferi planeswalker is considered to be better, Arcum is close behind.

The only two other mono colored "top tier" decks are Yisan and Selvala.

>>53291532
Do you count Chain Veil Teferi as artifacts? Because then CVT. If you want something fun, Arcum is great because he tutors out whatever you want, but Padeem and Muzzio are both fun as little advantage engines.

>>53295387
You forgot Sidisi, Undead Vizier. Never underestimate the power of an easily recursed tutor.

>>53295208
Smart man. Memnarch sucks to play against

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Which one should I pick? Right now I'm leaning towards Niv-Mizzet.

I feel like Mizzix is probably the strongest, but feels like a hate magnet, and that wouldn't be very fun. How much do you feel people hate her?

Melek seems a slow, but a decent card advantage engine, especially if you have a few repeatable ways to manipulate the library (sensei's divining top, scrollrack, soothsaying) in order to abuse his effect. I bet there are several neat tricks you could pull with him.

Jori En seems worse than Melek, especially if I don't play a thousand cantrips. Could be fun with an aggressive deck based on prowess and cards like Talrand and Young Pyromancer, though. That said, I think this kind of deck would lose steam fast in a multiplayer setting.

This Niv-Mizzet is the one that doesn't have the infinite combo with Curiosity. It has a decent body and has an alternative way to deal Commander damage that also nets you cards. Assuming you're playing a longer game he could actually be very useful as long as it isn't killed on sight. How much hate does he usually get?

>>53295723
>an alternative way to deal Commander damage that also nets you cards
No it doesn't. Pinging someone with Dracogenius doesn't count as commander damage, only combat damage does.

>>53295723
Jori en actually scales a lot better in multiplayer, since you can draw a card on other people's turn's with her too.

>>53295723
>>53295824

Ah, shit, you're completely right. That said, I could still ping someone to finish him off every now and then.

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>>53295857

Well, but in order to accomplish that I would have to be casting at least 2 spells every turn (mostly cantrips, I'm assuming). I think it could be viable in a deck that benefits from a lot of small/cheap casting, but I'm unsure how powerful that would be compared to some of the other broken, more expensive spells a slower game-plan could provide.

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Could use some feedback on my Samut deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-05-17-planet-of-the-apes/

>>53294793
We need that more than ever to make Brazil.dec

>>53295723
Mizzix depends on your meta, though if you're playing against strangers who know EDH you'll draw aggro. Middling aggro though. Mizzix isn't the scariest thing to see and there's a good chance a more dangerous general will be on the table, but you'll have people wary of you.

I had a Melek deck for a while. It was pretty meh truth be told. You can get nutty with him, but more often than not you'll be wishing you had Mizzix instead.

I had a buddy run a Jori En EDH. She can get nuts if you're doing combo/control stuff. Like it doesn't seem like much at first, but start throwing down tons of rocks and she'll go bonkers. Especially if you have Leyline of Anticipation down. Also she's only 3 mana, so she'll drop down early.

But if you're just looking for fun, casual R/U that won't get you hated off the table Dracogenius is the way to go.

What are some must have artifacts for an artifact deck

>>53296053
Darksteel Forge

>>53295993
You sly dog.

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>>53295993
That's some good flavor

>>53296053
Sol Ring
Paradox Engine
Chief Engineer (if Blue)
Cranial Plating (if Black)
Goblin Welder (if Red)
Voltaic Key
Daretti (either, if Red or Red/Black)
Palladium Myr + Myr Galvanizer
Etherium Sculptor (if Blue
Sharuum the Hedgemon (if Esper)
Tezzeret the Seeker (if Blue)
Spine of Ish Sah (if Recursion)
Ethersworn Canonist (if White)

>>53295993
Besides the flavor, why no use of white for removal or board wipes?

>>53295723
Melek has a selection of very fun tricks, and twincasting fat cards is immensely satisfying. combos very very hard with mana rituals, dont use them unless you are ok with this. Library of leng paired with looting effects is fucking spicy.

jori en is nice for being innocuous, gradual card advantage. She is also fairly ubiquitous, dosn't need a spesific build like melek, although leyline and vedalkin orrery are nice.

Mizix can be played super combo/storm, although x spell tribal is a cool alternative.

niv I don't have much experience with.

Consider keranos and arjun as well. Keranos is probably just better than jori en, and arjun is very very good at digging for combo bits/fun interactions. chasam skulker, psychosis crawler, alhamerats archive, lab maniac. Just about everything that triggers when you draw, keep in mind that resolving all his triggers gets exhausting. .

>>53296262
Shut up Jeff.

>>53296053
Whir of Invention is the best EDH card printed in years, if you ask me.

Check out me shilling my list as well.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/silas-renn-partnerless-extrodinaire/

>>53295111
Greel, Mind Raker
Oppression
Zombie Infestation
Leyline of the Void
One With Nothing

>>53296388
>improvise can't pay for blue
makes it kind of wonky in 3+ colors compared to chord of calling, but probably still worth it

>>53296388
>no thornbite staff
for shame.

>>53295944
>>53295723
Jori En is definitely not an aggro commander.

Prowess isn't very good with her because you don't want to cast a dozen cards on your turn to buff your creatures; instead, you want to cast exactly 2 each turn and ever turn in order to trigger her ability as frequently as possible.
As such, you end up playing a lot of cards during your opponents turns, leading to more of a control style of play.

Jori En becomes much stronger in the late game when you've got down Talrand, Metallurgic Summonings or Docent of Perfection, along with permanents that lower the cost of your spells like Goblin Electromancer and Arcane Melee. Once you're at that point you can effortless decimate your opponents board state while simultaneously building your own.

When I first built Jori I filled my deck with cards like Kiln Fiend, Charmbreaker Devils Stormchaser mage, but the value they get out of instants only lasts for a single turn; your boardstate will fall behind your opponent's as the game drags on.

Also, you will be running higher cmc spells, and spells with that scale well over time (overload costs, kickers, "you may pay x," etc).
Typically, you'll play a valuable spell alongside a 1 cmc cantrip to trigger Jori's ability. It's like the role of cantrips with Jori is to make all other spells become cantrips.

I love my Jori deck but I honestly wouldn't recommend her over other Izzet commanders. She's only underestimated because your opponents expectations are so low.

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>>53295993

>>53296388
Yeah pretty much my favorite card printed recently.

Bought a playset for utron in modern. But decided to turn the deck into something more casual.

>>53294907
>granted someone in my play group plays Zul and doesn't go Voltron and goes pillowfort control. It is super consistent and annoying.

This. Either you have to have an answer to Zur every time he's cast - counter, removal, whatever - or it's immediately Astral Slide, Karmic Justice, Sphere of Safety, Ghostly Prison,. Propaganda...

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>>53294701

>>53292295
96 land
Treasure cruise
Zombie infestation
Elixer of immortality

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What went wrong

>>53296876
Nothing? He's not the best artifact commander but he's great in the 99.

>>53296866
Treasure hunt, treasure cruise. They draw about the same.

>>53292295
MANA VORTEX

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Cards that should be banned I'll start

>>53296917
>he

>>53296956
Worse swords in voltron decks. Bad bait.

>>53296956
Why? It's pretty balanced

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>>53296956

>>53297036
>exile
>land

vs any other color hmm

Blue
>destroy
>3/3 ape

Black
>Destroy
>Costs more mana

Green
>Destroy
>Costs more mana
>And a 3/3 beast

Red
>Shuffle into library
>Replace it with something that could be just as good/better

>>53297069
It's almost like different colors have different strengths. Huh. White also lacks green's ramp, blue's draw/counters, red's damage effects, and blacks draw/amount of removal.

>>53296957
Not my fault if Wizards makes everyone have a man face now.

>>53297069
Are you actually complaining that some fragment of the color pie remains?

>>53297069
So you want every color to be the exact same and equally strong at everything?

>>53297130
It's 2017. All colors are equal.

>>53297069
>>53296956
I would understand if this was Swords to Plowshares, but... Path?
Is a 3/3 really better than a land in EDH?
Is a 2 mana disadvantage for one turn really worse than a 1 mana disadvantage for the rest of the game?
Beast within is probably actually just worse than path at killing creatures, but it can also hit a problem noncreature permanent, which is fine because that's the kind of thing green is good at.
Same thing for red.

>>53297069
>wants to remove the last semblance of the color pie we have
Yeah no, you can fuck right off. You're the problem with this game.

>>53296920
>>53296866
Zur can't find treasure hunt.

>>53297180
Just mull for it. Yolo.

>>53297163
Yeah, go fuck yourself with a fishpole matey. If you want to play yugioh walk on over to their booth, but color pie defines magic and always has.

>>53297069
BAN NATURE'S LORE

OTHER COLORS DON'T HAVE CARDS THAT GOOD

>>53297519
Don't forget Three Visits, it's ten thousand times worth since it's a $50 card.

>>53297364
Which is funny because the first decade of Magic is defined by a lack of a distinct color pie.

So I'm going to FNM that does EDH, from what the owner said its not super competitive but I am still wary and plan to bring Gitrog to it, my list isn't fully optimized due to budget constraints, so any cheap (less than $15) recommendations for my list?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-frog-is-loose/

>>53297691
That's not entirely true. They still managed to keep up with some things, like they didn't shove a red "Destroy target enchantment." card anywhere in Legends.

>>53297364
The problem is that they have taken stuff away from different colors, because they wanted to phase out certain mechanics from the game. Whether or not it's because of power, because it makes games last too long, because they were too hard to understand, or because they were "unfun".

Red doesn't get rituals or cheap MLD anymore, so they started giving it "impulse" style card draw. They have also decided polymorph effects should be red. I don't know why they have a stick up their ass for what kind of permanents it they can target with them though. Blue just got commit last set which can get rid of every permanent type but lands.

Green got fighting to remove creatures, along with other ways to cover up that weakness. It only makes sense that the other colors should get thematic ways to cover up their weaknesses.

>>53296956
>making White even worse in Commander

>>53296532

I think it's worth it because artifacts are that good

>>53297364
You do realize that I was saying that guy was a dick for wanting to get rid of the color pie, right?

>>53297364
Re-read the post you replied to.

>>53298042
Yeah that sequence didn't make sense.

Someone post the original fucking Bryan story.

>>53298383
What does the bryan meme have to do with anything? Fuck off shitposter

Anyone here ever have success with a werewolf deck? I was thinking about making a GR one but not with the recent werewolf legend because he sucks

>>53298496
I just want to see it cause I missed it. Why are you so angry?

>>53298542
Because its not hard to google the archives?

>>53298551
You should relax.

>>53298566
I am calm friend, just saying its not hard to check the archives for it, wasn't very believable for the most part at least compared to the police state LGS

>>53298615
You're pretty mad, but ok. In the future you can just ignore posts you don't like instead of going nuts.

>>53298383
Please stop shitposting and trying to force this bad meme. It wasn't even funny when it happened.

>>53298652
Fuck you, you spineless pussy. Pretty sure you're the bryanfag trying to get more shitposting mileage

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What deck makes use of pic related the best?

>>53298735
I like it in Newzuri but its a solid card for any artifact centric commander. Not sure how atraxa players feel about it

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Cards that should be unbanned, ill start

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>>53298813

>>53298857
>Final Destination etc etc

>>53298911
This card would be really good with norin.

>>53299406
Yeah, you could just attack with him and-

Oh wait, no.

He would be really good with any cheap commander that can actually attack since you can just float the mana and cast him after.

>>53291235
I would like to see a proper Jund -1/-1 counters commander.

Wither was established as primarily R/B in shadowmoor and eventide.

Wither got scrapped from Amonkhet. But -1/-1 counters now have more emphasis on Green and black with still some love in red.

Throw in some persist as well.

Everlasting Torment would have been amazing with Hapatra.

>>53295208
Friend did this once and I put out a hasted hellkite tyrant. It was glorious. Mycosynth Lattic is very double edge sword in certain metas.

>>53299580
Hapatra is pretty amazing as is desu. She can do really absurd shit.

>>53299441
What the fuck are you babbling about. Everyone is in topdeck mode trying to get a land put, you have a 2/1, amd you can give worldfire flash.1

>>53299661
Have you read Norin?

>>53299683
Not recently, i forgot he had that attack clause.

Will you buy the Commander 2017 decks?
I kind of regret buying the previous commander decks, because they heavily influenced how I built and improved the decks and I ended up with a bunch of generic decks with commanders that have been done a million times.

>>53299702
Depends wich tribes they do, if they do dragons i'm definetely gonna buy one

>>53299406
No worldfire is Mogis' banned wincon

>>53299702
Probably at least one of them. The 2016 ones were pretty fun to play out of the box, and I really like Breya and several of the Partners.

>>53299702
If wizards actually put needed reprints in them instead of being fucking megakikes like usual.

So probably not.

>>53299809
What reprints do you want? Commander 2016 was full with reprints of stables.

>>53299702
I'm conflicted. I'm thinking of making Grenzo, Havoc Raiser as my next budget EDH deck, with tons of token generation and a goblin tribal subtheme, but I'm wondering if I should hold off on buying any goblin cards and see if they release an official Goblin tribal deck in 2017 or not. It might be neat to see a Jund goblin legendary or something.

>>53299826
No it wasn't.

>>53299904
They reprinted sol ring :^)

>>53299904
Pre-cons are going to be at most only going to hold about $80 worth of value at the most, closer to $50ish, so stores can make money off cracking precons and selling the value off.

>>53291235
I actually really liked skulk and was shocked and upset to see not so long ago an article that offhanded said "oh and by the way sorry about skulk, never again. Our bad." I was floored! I wanted a Dimir skulk legend but fuck me I guess.

>>53299842
I just finish zombie tribal and disagree with your thinking. Instead of having to wait months for a maybe, I just have it in the here and now, and if they do print zombies that will simply
Make my deck stronger as I swap in better, edh-pushed zombies. And if not, I still have it and have had it for months.

>>53300225
While it was cool it had no depth. They removed flowstone from black and blue so skulk has no place in those colors. Had they made skulk when atog was first printed it would have made sense but skulk is behind the times.

>>53300254
I don't think so. In my meta anyways, I can't tell you how many times I've passed on a board I couldn't swing into. Skulk rewards purposely low power creatures for never stalling out. I feel skulk prevents board stall. Tiny little slashes of 1 or 2 always safe to swing with. We have the smallest selection, like Tormented Soul or what Invisible Stalker, but I was hoping this was new ground to build on and improve, with interesting mechanics and skulk gimmicks.

>>53300254
And, I know I'm already a dumbass but what does the flowstone ability have to do with skulk really?

>>53300277
Skulk plays like shit with walls without pumping or a better form of evasion. Evergreen mechanics key characteristics shouldnt be "the most restrictive "basic mechanic"". While I personally love skulk as a mechanic and know that behind the scenes is secretly one of the best spells in edh that doesnt mean wotc can repeat those succesful designs and support the mechanic for years. I personally wish they would just put flowstone as the blue black combat evergreen.

>>53300323
Make your dudes tiny so they cant block, after blockers are declared you pump them back up. Blues version of flowstone included shrinking and was used the opposite way when the stack was used with combat. Morphlings would get get big swing, then get fat to tank the blocker's damage and kill the would be blocker or gets in more damage than unbuffed if they slip through unblocked

>>53300245
That's the other side I'm considering. Honestly, it would cost all of 30-40 bucks to build a Grenzo deck on par with my circle of friends, and I think that's worth having it for months before C17 is even spoiled.

On that note, are there any underplayed/hidden gems that would do well in a Grenzo, Havoc Raiser deck outside the EDHREC staples?

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>>53299779
>Mogis wincon
>Exiles Mogis in Process
>tilt out when you realize you didn't read the card

Would Jhoria Wheels.dec be fun?

>>53300734
It's hard to convince others that Jhoira is "fun." People will believe that you are tricking them into a Jokulhaups Blightsteel kill combo. Trust me, I played a Jhoira Warp World deck, and I always got my ass kicked only because I played Jhoira.

Arjun might be a safer option and kind of goes on theme with wheels.

>>53300783
>I played a deck that slowed the game down significantly and no one enjoyed it why do people hate me

>>53300727
>Exiles Mogis in Process

No, no, you float 4 extra mana, resolve Worldfire, and then cast Mogis from the command zone. The main reason they banned it is because you could just cast your commander onto an empty board like that because they didn't have the forethought to make Worldfire empty mana pools.

>>53298911
I wish this was legal. I bought one for my Hazezon deck, and would have put it in it, if not for my friend pointing it out ot me.

>>53301188
During the brief period it was legal, it was mostly just used as a toy for Jhoira.

>>53300734
I don't think so, Niv Mizzle does the job better. Jhoira UR Artifacts with Wheels and artifact reanimation, then we're talking.

>Playing Silas Renn Solo
>Opponents tap out turn 3
>Untap and slam Tangle Wire
>Swing in with Silas, after no blocks are declared sac Wire to Phyrexia's Core and recast it
>Tutor for Winter Orb to complete my lock
feels good.

>>53298761
I think Atraxa wants more loyalty counters, +1/+1's, thing's like ring of three wishes and infect if that's your schtick. I am considering it, but Breya would get more out of it.

>>53301498
How is that a lock exactly?

>>53301902
They get to untap 1 land then tap 4 permanents, so they quickly run out of mana to cast things. once I established enough mana I started saccing Wire eot to Core to escape it as well.

>>53301961
You should use Icy Manipulator as well. Works wonders with Winter Orb.
Besides, how do you keep casting Tangle Wire over and over again? Artifact mana?

>>53298761
Chasm Skulker is much better in Atraxa

>>53300783

I second Arjun, if only because she is criminally underplayed for how great she is. My favourite deck.

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>>53303269
>she

>>53297761
Anyone?

>>53297761
>FNM that does EDH
EDH is not a format that you can use for FNM.

>>53297761
Gitrog usually plays a little bit more lands. You could add the Amonkhet deserts, they cost next to nothing.

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>>53303439
Unless they rolled back on it, you could do EDH for FNM since at least Khans.

>>53303526
Right, shit. I forgot they threw formats out the window.

>>53303512
40 seems good I think.

>>53297761
I forgot the name but that 2G instant that is a FoF of lands basically.

>buy new cards
>everything comes in the mail
>except wraith of god
>contact TCGplayer and get refund
>card actually comes like 3 weeks later in a fucked up envelope cause the post office fucked it up
>card goes from NM to played

should i contact the seller and pay them? the card is here and it will work but i feel bad for taking my 5 bucks back when the card finally arrived and it wasnt the sellers fault

>>53291235
>What's a mechanic you'd like to see return? Would you like a Commander focused on that mechanic or just a subtheme?
Delve
the exp counters might be cool too

>>53303694
If you feel bad then that's probably indicative that you've been happy with the relationship you've had with them so far. They probably will tell you to keep the card on good will if you but maybe not. Regardless if you feel guilty then you should contact them.

>>53303658
Realms Uncharted.

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>>53295993

>>53303741
its just a random seller but you are probably right, im going to contact them

>>53296956
>idiots in this thread will actually bite on this awful bait

>>53296956
path is like half of the reason i even use white in my decks

>>53303276

I cannot believe it's not a grill.
Thank you for opening my eyes anon.

>>53303876
To be fair, a lot of the Sphinxes are grills.

Not all of them, though.

>>53303770
I wonder how many Uncards there are that would be completely fine as normal cards. This would be kinda fun if you could actually play it, since you go infinite with monkey incest if you had a token doubler.

anyone else find it hard not to include necropotence in their decks?
it makes those decks so much better but its almost too powerful if you necro for 15 you likely have the cards you need to win within a few turns.
I guess you could just go and do it to keep your hand at 7 idk

>>53304095
Sounds like you have a problem with dialing back your desire to win.

>>53304104
pretty much exactly
I really cant find a happy medium between wanting to win and wanting to play a longer interactive game of magic.

>>53304194
Have you tried the 75% thing?

The idea is that you intentionally underpower your deck a bit (building it at "75% optimal", for example) so that you can PLAY as cutthroat as you want without being an utter dick. Basically, it's easier to dial back the mean-ness of your deck and play it as mean as you can, than to try to force yourself to 'play nice' with a very mean deck.

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>>53304095
>almosy too powerful
No.

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>>53303923
As long as they don't require dexterity or is absurdly broken, I'd allow some of them in my playgroup

Really, it would be more a list of what's allowed than what's not.

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>It's a Maralen Ad Nauseam deck

>>53304339
I'd say you should add the criteria of "making the game irritating".

I wouldn't allow basically any of the GOTCHA cards, for example.

>>53304225
>talk about necro
>posts text for bob
what did he mean by this?

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>>53304375
Irritating you say?
>>53304460
I think he's pointing at "Greatness, at any cost"

>>53304344
>Maralen
at least its not sidisi
>tutor for a nevermore
your move friendo
I actually do play nevermore in all of my white decks except my g/w selvala deck
It really is criminally underplayed when so many decks play staples and/or have commanders that are prossh

>>53304492
>"Greatness, at any cost"
oh shit totes mist that

>>53304492
>4 or more letters

>d
>r
>a
>w

>whenever
>player
>hand
>land
>card
>search
>counter

>>53304497
The Maralen decks aren't OP, they're just boring.

Every time I see a Maralen deck, it's always the same thing: Maralen, Sickening Dreams, Dark Sphere, Ad Nauseum, 96 Swamps. It's not hard to "beat", no, but it's not fun to play against, and the people who play it always think they're so fucking clever for it.

>>53304545
Gain. Destroy. Exile. Each.

>>53304497
>Opponent plays Maralen
>Untap and tutor up Mindlock Orb
>My wincon is now 2 damage ever turn with your commander while I survive off of Inventor's Fair life
I don't get how people can play such a glass cannon strat and get salty when they get blown out.

>>53304547
>>53304557
Ive heard about those decks but I think most of the glass cannon builds have shifted over to sidisi
the maralen decks ive seen recently have been trying to abuse ob nob or just some sort of black good stuff

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We talking about un-sets again?
>Pic+Chippy Isochron scepter + Chippy lands
>>53304545
>Target

Realized I had 10 tix on my account on MTGO from a few years ago. Are there any decks I can build completely with that amount?

>>53304601
whats the sidisi version?

>>53304658
its an adnaus deck that tutors for adnaus and storms out with 0-1 drop artifacts and tendrils
theres a couple of other neat cards that are used to generate mana but thats the general idea of the deck

>>53304642
most decks before non-basic lands are going to run about 20 tix
you could easily build a mono blue/mono green deck for under 10 tix

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>>53304618
Chippy?

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>>53304618
>tfw dramatic reversal is a real card
wizards are a fuck

>>53304746
>nonland

>>53304746
This card's art only reminds me of how much I despise the Jacetice League.

>>53304746
Mana rocks or dorks plus this and Isochron Scepter?

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>>53304772
>nonland
>implying thats not broken as fuck

>>53304772
Reversal + Scepter + Sol Ring + Darksteel Ingot.

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Is this card bad? It's never mentioned here and I think it's a pretty good boardwipe, am I wrong?

>>53304828
Blasphemous act will generally cost less in EDH and will do more damage the vast majority of the time

>>53304828
It's okay as far as red boardwipes go. Blasphemous Act is usually "preferred", since it tends to only cost 1-3 mana when you need to use it, and if you HAVE to hardcast it for more to only kill a few things, you can. Chain Reaction is in a weird spot because the only way for it to hit big dudes is if they have a LOT of little things alongside them, and if you're just wanting to kill an army of little guys, you can do that cheaper and faster with things like Volcanic Fallout.

Basically, it does two things badly instead of one thing well.

>>53304339
Uncards that are probably fine:
>__________
>AWOL
>Blast from the Past
>Burning Cinder Fury of Crimson Chaos Fire
>Checks and Balances
>Clambassadors
>Curse of the Fire Penguin
>Denied!
>Emcee
>Form of the Squirrel
>Fowl Play
>Free-for-All
>Gerrymandering
>Get a Life
>Giant Fan
>Goblin Secret Agent
>Greater Morphling
>Hungry Hungry Heifer
>Incoming!
>Johnny, Combo Player
>Magical Hacker
>Mine, Mine, Mine!
>Mise
>Old Fogey
>Once More with Feeling
>Organ Harvest
>Paper Tiger
>Richard Garfield, Ph.D.
>Rock Lobster
>Rocket-Powered Turbo Slug
>Scissors Lizard
>Team Spirit
>The Cheese Stands Alone
>The Ultimate Nightmare of Wizards of the Coast® Customer Service
>Timmy, Power Gamer
>Topsy Turvy
>Uktabi Kong
>Who/What/When/Where/Why

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>>53304828
I like it a lot. Worse than Blasphemous Act, but it's monored's second best creature wipe. Also pic related is a thing and I fucking love it.

>>53304828
I play it on mtgo a lot its fine for multiplayer

>>53304828
It's good, but outclassed by Act. Red also gets Jokulhaups, Obliterate, Wildfire and Xinye. It's not that it's bad but there are just so many other good wipes.

>>53304724
Post underrated artists.
Daarken never gets mentioned but they've done the art on so many iconically powerful and beautiful cards.
>Birthing Pod
>Bitter Ordeal
>Fetid Heath
>Form of the Dragon
>New Giest
I didn't realize how much of their art I loved until I looked them up.

>>53304878
>Topsy Turvy would be okay
No it fucking would not

>>53304893
Daarken is a pretty swell guy. I've met him at a couple of GPs.

>>53304878
I want Staying Power

>>53304746
>want to run
>hate the art
>hate the flavor text
>won't run because it's a fuckugly card from top to bottom

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I don't know what to stock this deck with that isn't just random goodstuff. Are there actual designated cards for dear old jarad?

>>53304815
>Implying a spell, even an isochron-capable one, is playing on the same level as a static effect from an artifact

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>>53304915
how does it work if you start on your end phase?
>>53304949
pic related
would you consider lord of extinction "random good stuff"?
how about hermit druid?

>>53304949
For Jarad I like creatures that gradually grow big on their own, like Managorger Hydra.

>>53304963
its literally the same effect

>>53304949
Gitrog is jarads pet frog. Swap them and run jarad in the 99.

>>53304963
Technically it's not a static effect, it's a triggered ability.

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>>53304946
>hate the flavor text
holy shit thats bad

>>53304828
It's OK? Usually you'll want to take Blasphemous Act first but you'll want more than one entry in the "Wipe" slot a lot of the time so depending on your other colors Chain Reaction can make the cut, it's second in monored or red/green and probably third in red/blue(/green) after Cyclonic has been taken into account. A lot of people prefer Obliterate or Jokulhaups but I find it easier to leverage something that just kills creatures in most cases, especially considering that Red tends to be "Overextend: the Color" and its big wraths destroy all common mana sources so it's difficult to have something in your pocket for faster recovery.

maybe it's just me but mass wipes are one of the few cases where I would fairly frequently take "or" over "and"

>>53304968
Super awkwardly. The phases are backwards, but not the steps in them. So you'd start with your End Phase, which means the first thing that happens in your turn is "At the beginning of the end step" stuff would trigger. Then, you'd move to the Cleanup Step, where all marked damage is cleared off of still-alive permanents, all "until end of turn" and "This turn" effects end, and you discard to your max hand size. If any SBAs happen because of that, you do ANOTHER cleanup step. Then you'd move to your "Postcombat Main Phase", which is just a normal main phase desu.

Then combat, as normal. Then your Precombat Main Phase. Then your Beginning Phase, which would start with you untapping all your shit (and phasing happening), then your upkeep, then draw. Then your turn is over.

>>53305090
I love it

>>53305114
Also, honestly, there's an Un-argument that the steps inside the phases should be backwards too, meaning you'd start with Cleanup, then End Step, then Postcombat Main, then End of Combat, then Combat Damage, then Declare Blockers, then Declare Attackers, then Beginning of Combat, then Precombat Main Phase, then Draw, then Upkeep, then Untap.

>>53304857
>>53304864
>>53304883
>>53304887
>>53304893
>>53305077
Thanks for the advices.

>>53304979
In two cards rather than one (the biggest issue), with instants being at least moderately difficult to tutor for compared to artifacts. A DR stick is great, especially since it's self-sustaining, but if you have trouble sustaining a Paradox combo you're doing it wrong, and Engine is easier to find and the tools that get you there also get the stick, only you don't care what you imprint it with

>>53305048
True.

>>53298383

>Some anon asked about how to deal with it when the most powerful deck at the table gets grumpy about being targeted too much

>Another anon (the guy who brings Bryan to the story) posts a story about how some dickhead at his table only ever targeted him and he never understood why

>First anon asks if he had the strongest decks at the table, and proposes that maybe it made sense to target him

>Bryan-Anon says that he was playing goodstuff and that goodstuff shouldn't be the target

>A bunch of anons say Bryan-Anon sounds like a dickhead for not understanding how goodstuff should be targeted in casual EDH.

>Bryan-Anon says that the guy who targeted him was a dickhead, and that the guy who targeted him a lot got deployed to Iraq and when he personally came to his house to say goodbye, Bryan-Anon told him to go fuck himself and slammed the door in his face. Then in spoiler text says "And if you're here Bryan, you can still go fuck yourself."

>A bunch of people responded with BRYYYYYYYYYYAN and random land destruction pictures. Someone made a deck list called "Bryan's Will" using Akiri and tons of mana rocks and land destruction. It sort of morphed the Sheoldred/MLD meme with Bryan.


Hopefully I have done a good job telling the story.

>>53304946
>won't run because it's a fuckugly card from top to bottom
Summed up my opinion on aftermath (... and the card you were actually talking about for that matter)

>Insurrection
>Repercussion + Blasphemous Act(etc)
>Vicious Shadows + Board wipe

Are there any other easy wins like these in mono red?

>>53305306
Hidetsugu + damage doublers

>>53305306
Kiki Jiki + Zealous Conscripts.

>>53305341
>Hidetsugu + damage doublers
+life link :3

>>53305350
Or just be at an odd life total. He rounds down.

>>53305376
If you have more than one applicable doubler he'll overkill everyone, you included, without lifelink.

And sadly mana burn is long gone and with it universal fine life total control. Though I suppose it means your opponents can't fine control either. Guess that's what Phyrexian Lens (or anything else that permits pay or gain 1 essentially on command) is for.

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>>53305441
>If you have more than one applicable doubler he'll overkill everyone
No fucking shit, sherlock. Thank you for explaining to me that if I multiply half of my life total by 4, and take that much damage, I'll die.

>>53305465
So, you half-killed one person. Congrats.

>>53305465
You mean Malignus + double strike

>>53305477
Damage doublers and the like help. And a 20 life swing is still useful.

>>53305477
usually you can kill someone at the table with it
esp if you have this thing called a combat phase
hit

>>53305497
>Attack someone for 20
>Fling for 10
>20+10 = 40
OK.

>>53305489
Still doesn't kill anyone. If you did that against someone with 40 life, it'd get them down to 10.

Granted, that's still a motherfucker of a hit, but it doesn't kill them unless you're going after the people who are lower.

>>53305531
>unless you're going after the people who are lower.
That's what I was assuming. The tricky part of course is not getting chumped.

>>53305517
>>53305531
>Fling for 10
>doenst kill anyone
you have more than one opponent

>>53305306
you could always warpworld and cross your fingers that you hit purph/impact tremors/warstorm surge + a lot of creatures

>>53305668
crap that would only work if the creatures created more creatures on etb or if you hit purph forgot the ordering

>>53305228
You're terrible at telling stories

What are the most viable competitive mono red decks? Not COMPETITIVE as in tournaments but decks that can regularly keep up in decently powerful casual metas.

Currently I have an Ashling deck that just isn't cutting the spicy mustard. I want it to stay mono red but change a few things around to be more powerful. The deck is loaded with stuff to make your shit indestructible and has tons of board wipes.

>>53305737
Purph and Daretti jump to mind.

>>53305737
Hidetsugu, or going with Daretti/Slobad for mono-reddishbrown artifacts.

To my understanding, basically any other mono-red strategy kinda... falls short.

>>53305757
And Purples, I forgot Purples.

>>53305755
>>53305757
I should have mentioned that I have a Daretti already, I tend not to consider it mono red I guess.

>>53305737
Heartless Hid is a very powerful commander even in just a valuetown deck
Personally my favorite (actually only) mono colored general, urabrask I could see being good, we all know deretti is bonkers and feldon of the third path/kikki jiki are both very good commanders as well.
kikki actually isnt as fast as you might think despite having half of a combo in the command zone but you will draw hate

>>53305783
So what you actually want is for us to tell you that your Ashling deck could be "Competitive".

Yeah, I'm not playing 'chase the moving goalposts' today.

>>53305737
>>53305757
What about Feldon, Kiki, Zada and Krenko?

>>53305810
>chase the moving goalposts
why is it that TG almost never understands when to use this phrase

>>53305810
No haha, I just want to change the deck but I don't want it to be an artifact deck as I already have Daretti.

>>53305832
>"Hey, help me with a thing"
>Give help
>"No that didn't count, I forgot to tell you other criteria"

>>53305824
I personally don't find the latter three to be that "competitive". They can WORK, but they're not really very stellar compared to the all-stars (in my experience, mind you).

Feldon is a pretty solid choice, but I've always felt like he works better in the 99 for a Daretti/Slobad deck.

>>53305854
>I want it to stay mono red but change a few things around to be more powerful.
Literally his first post

I had this idea for a cube

rules:
>start with 30 or 40 life
>40-50 card decks
>the card pool is composed of goofy EDH cards, either collected from nearby players or ordered for cheap online
>everyone will have to draft spicy EDH jank and stuff to win due to high life totals and low power levels
>for example, drafting a damage doubler + big burn deck should be a viable archetype

thoughts? anyone tried doing something like this?

>>53305854
>mono brown is with a splash of red
you know exactly what he means, jew.

>>53305869
>Give suggestion
>"No that doesn't count"

>>53305885
Feel free to fuck off to /pol/ anytime.

>>53305892
>implying implications
green text doesnt make you right
it is indeed possible for you to be wrong and smug at the same time

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>>53305880
Sounds stupid

>>53305892
He wants something that wins via red spells and not artifact abuse. Is that so hard for a low-functioning autist like you to understand that you resort to passive aggression?

>>53305943
Sorry, can you tell me where he said "I want to win with only red spells and no artifacts"?

Because what I saw is "I want a good mono-red deck".

Moving. The. Fucking. Goalposts.

>>53305905
>purposefully ignore the meanings of words
>not incredibly Jewish
wew

>>53305959
I hope you don't play on xmage

>>53305991
I don't, which is good, because I'd hate to open a game against you and then you yell at me because you SAID you wanted to play Commander, but apparently my "low functioning autist" self failed to read between the lines where you MEANT Alara Block Constructed.

>>53305737
Purph, Daretti, and to a lesser extent Krenko and Zada. Kiki, Hidetsugu, Feldon, and Urabrask have game too if you want to go one of those routes.

>>53305959
>Currently I have an Ashling deck that just isn't cutting the spicy mustard. I want it to stay mono red but change a few things around to be more powerful. The deck is loaded with stuff to make your shit indestructible and has tons of board wipes.
i do not see how changing to a deck that is centered around artifacts could fit this criteria, its reasonable to assume that im not alone on this.

>>53306028
"What are the most viable competitive mono red decks?" was the question that was asked. He then explained he had an Ashling deck that wasn't cutting it, and he wants to stay mono red.

I'm sorry that I missed the invisible "This must remain an Ashling deck, I don't actually care what other Commanders there are, this must stay an Ashling deck with no artifacts that has to win via Ashling as an Ashling deck." text.

>>53306028
As the anon who posted it, I absolutely agree with you, and I honestly don't see why that guy is so butthurt about it. All I did was forget to mention that I didn't want an artifact deck as I already have one.

>>53306056
In what world did anyone say it had to stay an Ashling deck?

Do you honestly believe that the only mono red deck is an artifact deck? Are you literally retarded or just pretending to be?

>>53306084
>All I did was forget to mention
That's the whole issue.

Every single fucking time, people ask for advice, and then explain why that advice "doesn't count" because of invisible fucking criteria they didn't bother to mention.

>>53306109
I gave suggestions, and then you threw a fucking tantrum because "THAT'S NOT REAL MONO RED, IT DOESN'T COUNT".

No, I don't think that's the only one. I think that the -best- mono red decks, which is what was FUCKING ASKED FOR, are artifact based, because you need to use artifacts to shore up mono-red's glaring weaknesses. There are other decks that are better than Ashling, but worse than the artifact decks, but your crybaby ass will find some reason to exclude those because of some other criteria you conveniently forgot to mention.

>>53306150
Nobody threw a tantrum here except you. Do you own a mirror?

>>53306168
>haha, I know, I'll just insult him because I don't have an actual argument!

>>53306150
I honestly think you need to seek some mental help, anon...

>>53306194
>LOOK MOM I'M INSULTING HIM AGAIN

>>53306186
The funny thing about your reply is that I didn't even insult you in that post.

>>53298735
Food chain and him kill people on the spot

>>53306210
I mean, part of me thinks you're trolling, but why would you intentionally make yourself look mentally ill just to troll people? I'm not sure what your end game is here.

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>>53306130
>>53306150
>>53306186
>>53306213

>>53306257
This is what preferring monored in commander can do to you, anon.

>>53306264
>>53306257
>LOOK MOM I DID IT AGAIN
If you disagree with me, attack my fucking argument. Resorting to ad hominem means I win.

>>53306300
There is no argument. Your argument is that I forgot to mention I wanted an actual mono red deck rather than an artifact deck that happens to be red? And it happened once, and you are still freaking out about it. Why? Why has this triggered you so badly?

Also, it's not like I said "YOU'RE RETARDED FOR SAYING DARETTI!!!" I simply stated that I SHOULD have mentioned that I already had a Daretti deck and am hoping to keep this deck more typical mono-red. And then instead of simply adjusting and trying to give me another option more in line with what I want, you've been flipping out for 10 minutes. Why? What happened to you?

>>53306300
>literally has trouble interacting and relating to others
im not here to insult you only to inform you that you may have a condition known as autism.
Is this answer helpful?

>>53306364
>Your argument is that I forgot to mention
Yes. My argument is that you asked for advice and then went "no, that doesn't count because of shit I forgot to tell you", just like every drooling fucking moron who asks for advice in this shithole of a thread.

>>53306399
>argument
is is a discussion not a debate

>>53306399
If this is the way you give "advice", I don't think anybody in this thread would miss it

>>53306399
But I actually apologized and admitted I was wrong before you even started flipping out so, honestly, what is wrong with you?

>>53306364
Mono-red without a brown splash is shit. Mono blue, green, and black can be okay, even good, mono white and red are shit without brown support.

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you and your 9 friends pick edh decks based on these legends
which do think get picked first and which are left to be picked last?

>>53306466
The deck has artifacts in it, but it's not centered around artifacts. I have a red artifact deck already in Daretti.

I don't know, part of me wants to make it Boros with Gisela as it'll double the damage my burn wipes do, however then it'll half the damage my burn wipes do to my own guys who benefit greatly from taking that damage (Stuffy Doll, Mogg Maniac etc).

Having white would give me access to a few more guys that have those type of effects. I'm also considering Oros, but he's expensive and his ability takes mana away from my big X burn wipes.

I'm conflicted, which is why I also was considering keeping it mono red and just swapping out the key components but leaving all the staples. Which is why I asked the question in the first place.

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>>53306545
whoops wrong image those are my personal decks :3

I want to build a spellslinger deck edh, should i go with wort or dranlu? Also what's your guy's experience with either one of them? Are they fun?

>>53306565
Intet or Vorosh get picked first, Rith gets picked last.

>>53306598
Wort. She makes your big, flashy spells all the more fun with her ability and Gruul is an interesting color combo for spellslinger.

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>>53306545
>implying i have 9 or more friends

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tips on building pic related?
my brother refuses to play nath says hes too slow and costs 5 mana
he also refuses to take my advice because im his brother and hes a stubborn man
he gets stomped hard by our extremely shitty meta
-5c timmy stuff
-the random deck
-zergo tokens w/o MLD
-Sydri, Galvanic Genius artifact stuff

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>>53306679
i..ill be your friend :3

>>53306598
Dralnu lends himself to Doomsday wincons, flashing back hand disruption like Mind Twist or even Duress is also value. Wort is great with a decent swarm of gobbos and some land destruction spells, especially the one that has a ritual stapled on.
>>53306565
My first pick is Crosis, these guys cost a fuckton of mana and none of them naturally have haste. Spot removing them is pretty devastating and grixis is king in removal.

>>53306715
Ew don't touch me you weeb.

>>53304878
>not Frank Peanuts

>>53305144
>combat is now useless

Is it true that 100% of adults who play magic AND watch anime are autistic? I mean, surely you can do one or the other but doing both clearly points towards autism right?

>>53306565
Give me Crosis and stand back.

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>>53306823
but im a real girl(male)!

>>53306812
>grixis is king in removal.
That's a funny way of spelling Mardu.

>>53306945
thats even fucking worse

>>53307086
I'd rather have countermagic and Cyclonic Rift than white desu.

>>53306835
Frankie Peanuts would be fine if not for the nonzero overlap between Magic players and people who know the solutions to logic puzzles.

"Is the answer to this question the same as the answer to the question 'Will you concede at the beginning of my precombat main phase this turn?' ?"

>>53307132
>He doesn't want 6 million wraths, armageddon, and cheap exile like swords and path.

But seriously, Blue is undoubtable the better all-around color but you can't beat white's removal, and that's all I was talking about -- removal, particularly spot removal, as you said.