MtG $$$$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$$$ MODERN GENERAL

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>>53289433

Fuck you, fuck your thread, fuck this format.

>>53289469
kitchen table babby, you can tell by the retarded gif

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>Playing
Burn mostly, occasionally Titanshift
>Brewing
I want to make B/W tokens ill try constructing the deck soon
>Metagame thoughts
Its great Moderns very diverse right now. Theres a lot of solid combo decks to play, UW Control is finally getting its time to shine, and the usual suspects sans classic Jund are all putting up the results they usually do. Burn is solid too right now. A lot of people said it would see a downswing because DSJ was strangely a bad matchup but I find that its fine if you play the deck well. DSJ is also a difficult deck to pilot so part of it may just be misplays from them that benefit me.
>Bans/Unbans
No bans, no unbans

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Unban

How's 8whack? pretty new and wanted to get into modern, should I give it a try?

>>53289606
>DSJ is also a difficult deck to pilot
Well memed friend

>>53282412

time to shit up the thread I guess
It already works in practice but it's pretty fragile and there are more ways to try and build it but this is what I know works for me and has alright matchups

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/4c-spellweaver-worldfire/

There are builds that focus on dredging, some storm, and I've seen gifts and non gifts variants, but I like how loam plays with retrace and gifts

No Ban-List Modern is a good format.

>>53290593
This

No-Ban list modern is some of the most fun I've had with magic. It's interactive and there's a decent amount of diversity as well as checks and balances between decks

Not nearly as combo oriented as some people would have you believe

>>53290754
HATE it when someone says "it would be solved and degenerate into X number of decks" when verifying such a claim is impossible without months or years of the entire Modern base actually trying it, and then you ask if they've ever tried it and NOPE, OF COURSE NOT.

>>53290754
>>53290892
So you need years of play to determine if it's unbalanced, but you're small sample size is enough to certify it as a healthy, interactive format?
Please refrain from posting.

>>53291162
There's already been No banned list tournaments and based on what we've seen there the meta is fairly healthy actually. It's fast and there's some degeneracy but it's healthy.

Doesn't change the fact that it's still fairly unexplored right now and could potentially be broken if more peopel payed attention to it.

>>53290593
>no-ban list modern is a fun format
Ftfy

Why is everyone obsessed with the 30 some cards they cant use? Arent the huge amount of powerful cards you can use enough? Like seriously no one wants to play against Jitte in a creature based format, no one wants to play against Ponder powered combo decks in a format with no Force of Will, and no one wants Affinity buffed to fucking hell with Artifact lands.

>>53291232
This is tryhard general, banned cards will always be lusted after. Also didn't you read? They're obviously unfairly banned and the meta wouldn't be that unfair.

>>53291232
Well when the cards you ban are the ones that stop the format from being linear aggro the format yeah people want to play them.

>>53291397
It's almost like wizards is shit at supporting anything other than linear aggro.

>>53291232
No one really wants to play with all of the cards but a good portion of the people here feel some cards were either unjustly banned or banned for stupid reasons. i mean it's not like WotC hasn't made retarded ban choices before
(SotM, Bitterblossom, AV, Nacatl etc). It's not like people want Dark depths or Artifact lands unbanned christ

>>53291397
What on the ban list other then Jitte and Punishing Fire fight linear aggro?

>>53291759
Mental Misstep and Stoneforge Mystic (besides Jitte aggro would have to plan specifically for Batterskull)

>>53291759
Combos that are faster than them ?
I don't know, but I think burn might have dificulties to win against shoal infect

>>53292283

This. Slamming dudes and turning them sideways is not viable unless your opponent's life is already 10.

Like, if you're playing Zoo, what do you do against turn two Hypergenesis? Pick up your cards and play regular modern is what.

>>53292671
Do people find these funny?

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>>53292714
Yes

>TFW you still need three more Arid Mesa
>And there is a good chance your deck will be crap anyways

>>53293039
If it's using arid mesas, there is a good chance it isn't very good unless it's burn

>>53293070

It's kind a Naya Zoo/Burn thing.

>>53293374
Save the money for Goyfs, the only good Zoo deck is RG all-in Burning Tree.

>>53293374
Sounds fun. Play that if you want

>>53290593
yeah, an Emmy deck with hypergenesis in a format with no FOW....what could go even wrong?

>>53293404

All in Burning Tree?

>>53293478

It's fun, but I wish it got more play. Ny playgroup only occasionally plays modern.

>>53291211
Pros have tried it, it is a 2-3 deck format like vintage. Delver, Storm, and skullclamp affinity.

>>53293622
I'm pulling up the tournaments right now but in short you're wrong. Delver, Storm and Affinity are certainly good but there are a lot more decks than just that.

>>53293622
knuckledragger you forgot counter-top and 12-post

>>53293735
So I managed to find the decklists but the articles discussing the event seem to be gone from the website. Not sure if that's due to a website change but I'm a little pissed since they were pretty informative about the format. If anyone knows where the Mox boarding house articles went I'd be appreciative if you could point me in the right direction.

Decklists

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ui8rKLU5o-bwByc8OjUVmkVpcU5y9x9rKvHElF3H-Fs/edit

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Just got started with Revolt Zoo. The one with narnam renegade, wild nacatl, goblin guide, and burning/bushwhacker combo. I am starting to goldfish to get a feel of the deck, and I have a quesiton:

If I have a hand with say, a wild Nacatl, goblin guide, three burn spells and two land, what creature should I play first? I am thinking Nacatl, that way I can attack for 5 on turn two with removal backing up the attack, but part of me thinks you always play goblin guide turn one. Which play is usually correct?

>>53295599
I quite like this image friend, do you mind if I save it?

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>>53295797
I do

>>53295330
nacatl first

If I'm playing a Death ans Taxes deck, and have both Thalia and Arbiter in my hand, which do I play first? Or does that depend on the matchup/cards currently in play?

>>53296634
depends on whether or not you want to stumble your opponents fetches or not, since this is modern i would generally say arbiter

>>53293513

Hypergenesis seems like a wildly inconsistent deck

>>53296634

On the play, you play arbiter, they'll be on 1 land, so they'll be totally fucked by that hopefully

On the draw, could go either way, usually I'd say Thalia, but if you know their deck and you know they have like a really important 3 drop creature or something, I could see trying to shut them down with arbiter

>>53290593

No banlist modern would be perfect except that mental misstep is so lame

>>53296882
Mental misstep is lame but it's not backbreaking in the NBL format. Some decks don't even run it and a portion of the ones that do don't run the full playset.

>>53290593
I think no ban list sans misstep and clamp would be wonderful. Those cards reeeaaaally warp the game around them.

This is from someone who plays clamp elves at each local NBL event.

>>53294219
I don't get why people don't play 8-rack/smallpox, it does too well at punishing the degenerate decks.

>>53298399
Relies on a lot of one drops in a misstep format, Affinity/Dredge and D&Tpunishes better while having game against more decks. You're also comparatively low power level compared to the rest of the format.

Also the fact that you don't really gain anything from the no banned list aspect as opposed to all the other decks.

>>53290056
From my experience, the most important thing is learning how to mulligan properly. That's about it.

>>53298467
DnT only gains a stoneforge package, and it's one of the most powerful decks in MNBL.

>>53298663
It gains the SfM package but the decks I've seen run chalice maindeck as well as chrome mox so gives it a lot of game.

>one of the most powerful decks
8rack really isn't great in NBLM but I'd like to hear why you think it's good in the format

>>53298467
Should be "Affinity/dredge, D&T punishes better

I'm trying to decide what deck to play at GP Las Vegas. I've narrowed it down to RG Titanshift and Gifts Storm. I've played neither in paper and have only been able to test on Xmage (I know). I day 2'd GP Los Angeles with RUG scapeshift so I feel more comfortable with titan but Storm is so much fun. What do you guys feel would be a better choice for the event?

>>53298778
Well for starters, storm sucks, so probably not that.

>>53298778
Go with Titanshift, Storm is more difficult to play and since its higher in its metashare right now people will be packing some SB hate some of which is unbeatable if it resolves like Rule of Law or Eidolon of Rhetoric. Also Burn is a real threat because of Eidolon of the Great Revel.

>>53298989
Storm is tier 1 you retard

>>53299023
>probe gets banned
>storm guy at my LGS just gets btfo'd constantly by mindbreak trap ever since
it honestly probably doesn't happen that often but I feel like every time I'm there I hear him from like three tables getting his shit slapped by it

>come back to modern after a few month hiatus bc format felt stale
>storm tier 1
>dredge still around
>ad nauseam is a 600$ deck
what the fuck happened? scalping was a bad before but what the genuine fuck is this?

>>53298989
>Being this retarded

>>53299023
I was leaning towards that. At the very least I know how to play through Crumble to Dusts, Leylines, and Blood Moons.

>>53298989
>>53299057
>>53299769
There was some talk online about Storm being Tier 1 but not actually being "good". I don't know how true this is but I believe the argument is that a bunch of people play it on MTGO because it's cheap, artificially raising Storm's tier. I guess there's also been a lack of big paper events so we'll have to see what shakes out.

>>53299876
Tiers are based on placements in events, not popularity like some people like to meme about.

>>53299876
?I believe the argument is that a bunch of people play it on MTGO because it's cheap, artificially raising Storm's tier.

You're right, but it's not artificial.

>>53299902
But they're not

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>>53299902
Yeah, except they are not.

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>tfw your favorite deck fell off harder than infect

>>53300427
Grixis Delver?

>>53299902
>Tiers are based on placements in events, not popularity like some people like to meme about.
It's basically popularity because it's based on meta share in all events, which means winning an fnm-tier ptq or 5-0ing an MTGO league counts for as much as going undefeated at a huge GP.

>>53300427
Jeskai Nahiri was a meme used by SCG to sell an upmarked Mythic

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>>53300654
well I bought into it at 12 bucks each

I know it's a "competetive" thread but, did anyone of you played or built Forbidden Orchard Bant combo with Wargate, Chord etc?

How fun is it to play?

Has anyone ever tried Bant Zombies? I'm envisioning Gravecrawler, Bloodghast, Relentless Dead, Prized Amalgam, Plague Belcher, and some symmetric sac effects of some kind along with generic good stuff

The idea of 4x Athreos in the board to counter graveyard hate makes my dick hard

>>53301044
>Delver ends the game on T6
I believe it

>>53299902
>What if I don't know what I'm talking about?
>post it or weeaboos won't know about my alternative facts

>>53299155
that's cause Storm players are like Shadow players that were never physically beaten as a child. At least Shadow players feel bad about being faggots.

>>53302736
If your game plan is to turn dudes sideways this sounds like a really slow way to do it.

>>53299902
It's metashare dude. It's liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiteraly the opposite of what you just said. Not figuratively the opposite. Literally.

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>>53301044
>U Tron is a combo deck
This is almost as stupid as Gr Tron being a control deck.

>>53305377
:^) but it wins through the mindslaver combo, friendo

>>53301211
Nahiris a shit waifu tho. The only good waifu is Thalia.

For someone who's been away from Magic for a long time and wanna get back into Modern, what deckbuilding suggestions would you have for WB midrange? I have four Baneslayers from my M10 days, among other things.

>>53307155
Don't cast anything over 4 mana unless it wins you the game on the spot.
Add green and goyfs.
Stay away from blue.

>>53307264
I was talking white/black, but considered going monowhite.

>>53307155
Buy 4 copies of Fatal Push, I don't think they're ever dropping in price at this point. What's your 1-mana discard selection looking like?

>>53307312
Again, I'm rather new to the recent sets, but yeah, Fatal Push looks like a bomb.

1 drop discard in what context? The 1-manas currently slotted that I'm planning on scrapping, or?

>>53307360
Lmao

>>53307403
Forgive me for being a newb - last I played, Extended was still a thing.

>>53307360
Oh I didn't know you have 60 cards already, what's your list?

>>53307438
Here's the thing - I don't. Are we talking one mana discard things (i.e Duress) or something else? I'm tipsy and (again) barely back into the game.

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>>53306495
>The only good waifu is Thalia.
You take that back you slut. Emrakul best waifu.

>>53307482
Thoughtseize and Inquisition of Kozilek, those are the spells they are talking about but won't say because "ew someone who is new"

>>53308283
More on the lines "why won't complete newbies make a damn effort to learn anything for themselves, oh right, they don't seem to be that invested to this anyway and any given pro tip is going to drain."

>>53305127
Probably. I guess I should just main deck Lingering Souls alongside my bloodghasts to get delicious value out of Plague Belcher

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>>53306495

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>>53308386
Coming to an internet weeb board and asking questions of internet weebs on their weeb board is in fact making a damn effort.

You seem to overvalue your opinions if you think "pro tips on 4chan" should qualify you for a better student.

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should I add a torrential gear hulk to my u tron ?

>>53308773
No. Too many X spells that gearhulk is shit with.

>>53293622
Wasn't Hypergenesis up there?

>>53308386
I think his initial effort of "guys I want to make this deck, build it for me" is lazy shit, and I didn't respond to that specifically because I hate it. However, when you make a suggestion and someone clearly doesn't understand what you mean it's a dick move to just repeat what you said and imply they're a retard for being new.

>>53308757
/a/ is the weeb board you fucking idiot. Not every board needs to be infested with that trash

>>53309037
4chan is a weeb site you retard, saying it isn't is like saying Gaia Online isn't a weeb site because some of the boards there aren't exclusively about anime. 4chan's fucking mascot is Yotsuba.

>>53309103
>4chan's fucking mascot
Why the fuck would I care about this on this board? There is nothing weeb related going on here. Kill yourself weeb garbage

>finish skred red

>everyone is on storm
fuk

>>53309155
Because this board is on the website made by a weeb, modeled after a Japanese website, is primarily frequented by weebs, the mascot is a manga character, and you're a raging homosexual?

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>>53307155
use urborg to save your fetches for when you need to turn on revolt for fatal push
play ghost quarter/tectonic edge
learn your meta and tune for that

>>53305377
where should it be?

>>53309164
you know what you have to do

>>53309164
Storm isn't so bad. Play eidolon, relics, maybe even trinisphere

>>53309373
>>53309164
Skred vs Storm is only bad game 1, game 2 just board out land hate and you can get a LOT off survival off of a dragon's claw or two.

What's your list?

>>53309392
same maindeck as https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/632127#online

but with couple changes in the sideboard for my meta

>>53309493
Storm is honestly the best (tiered) combo matchup for Skred, especially a scourge list with 4 Relics mainboard. Creature removal means they can't combo off early, and relics mean they can't combo off at all.

My only concern with your sideboard is that it needs more in the way of "go under." Rabblemaster can really help here, as well as Eidolon (if you can afford it).

I run a Reckoner list so I usually win my games turn 4 with insult/skred.

>>53309836
>trying to shit on anime on a Japanese Animation board
shiggydiggy senpai

>>53309944
Nothing about this board is anime. Please kill yourself, cartoon brainlet

>>53310020
Everything about this board is anime, and your resistance to that fact only outs you as the closeted, self hating faggot you are.

most weeb deck?
a-asking for a friend

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>>53310020
>blocks your path

>>53310044

Soul sisters

>>53310044
Taking Turns

>>53310042
Please. Point out the weeb aspects of this thread other than your autistic posts

>>53310044
UXx Control

>>53310123
This, assuming they run this:
>>53310049

>>53309944
How much cock have you taken up the ass recently animefag?

>>53310152
Not even that anon, but come on man...
>>53308657
>>53305377
>>53301211
>>53300427
>>53298747
>>53295815
>>53295599

>>53310044
nahiri w/r prison
has nahiri, chandra, and emrakul which are the best waifus

DSJ = Fox
DS grixis = Falco
Tron = Sheik
Burn = Marth
Ad Naus = Ice Climbers
Revolt Zoo = Falcon
Titanshift = Peach
Affinity = ???

Puff would be Twin

>>53309669
reckoner squad what's happenin

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>>53310342
i DREAM of the day wizard tribal exists and incorporates this beast

>>53310331
>Tron=Sheik
No, sheik is affinity, affinity has more wombo combo damage

>>53310331
Is metal Mario in smash? I haven't played it since N64

>board in madcaps
>forget to board in emperion
kill me

>>53310309
That's one of two anons posting dumb shit. That doesn't make the board anime focused.
Just because once upon a time this site was only for some trash doesn't mean it is entirely now. I would wager a very large portion of posters have no interest in your cartoons

Need a fun deck that isn't currently meta, but somewhat competitive

>>53310427
Tron. Trust me

>>53310390

The reason I picked Tron is because it locks out half the format and has bad matchups like sheik locks out half the cast but has bad matchups

They have the same place in the meta

>>53310448
Falcon is Storm.

>>53310464
>does nothing for half the match then wins
No

>>53310481
THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT FALCON DOES

>lantern control

This deck is the definition of faggot. I have no problem with decks with control, it this decks wincon is just 1 at a time mill and it's shitty.

I stomp it every time I play against it, but it's such a fucking lame way to win.

>>53310512
>I've never played falcon

>>53310512
>i've never played melee at a high level
falcon gets edgeguarded then takes two stocks off of two dairs

>>53310551
Nice. Cry more. Fucking man baby

>>53310574
>wahhh
>I lose all the time and my deck is insufferable
>wahhhhh why doesn't anyone pity me

>>53310551
>I stomp it every time I play it
>still mad about it though
k senpai

>>53310551
What do you think about Tezzerator and similar artifact-lockout builds?

>>53310573

>two stocks off two dairs
>thinking falcon doesn't get his biggest punishes off grabs

In what universe?

>>53310611
Is everyone here mad at mill because they lose to it?

Good. Your tears sustain me.

>>53310630
Nobody is mad at mill you retard we just like to shit on the anon spamming mill every thread.

>my tears
I'm not even mad unlike you, fags like you are why I play Lantern your tears are delicious

>>53310609
Lmao
I don't even play the deck. You're literally just a whiny little bitch
>b..bu..but I totally never lost guys, I swear

>>53310624
I don't mind those because it doesn't involve pseudo locking you out of the game and winning by concede because you will be having "bad draws" forever and slowly lose to mill.

>>53310653
Lantern control is shit and easily beat. I think only a handful of times have I ever lost to it, a couple of players are extremely good at it in tournaments because you'll know their decklist, and they still lose more often than not.

The fact that you think I'm mad when I'm simply disgusted and think it's pathetic is telling about your little power trips you get while playing it on less knowledgeable players.

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>>53310342
Baby Chandra in Reckoner Skred, that's what's up.

>>53310720
It's your fault for being too stubborn to admit defeat. Do you also make valakut players announce every trigger after scapeshift and demand they explain how valakut works?

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>>53309155
>We're all here fervently discussing a children's card game
>Nothing weeb related going on here

Someone call a doctor

here, I'll add some weeb into the thread to further invalidate your stupidass claim

>>53310812
Watching cringy cartoons should be punishable by law. Only degenerates and dregs of society enjoy this mindless retardation

>>53310812
>a fantasy card game is weeb
Wew lad

>>53310835
>Playing trading card games should be punishable by law. Only degenerates and dregs of society enjoy this mindless retardation

>>53310412
Gladly, unless you play at my LGS in which case please keep showing up.

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>>53310420
You'd lose that wager faggot.

>>53310809
No, its the same as any other combo, I don't force storm to resolve, he did X damage and killed me.

The difference between them and lantern is that it doesn't have a "valid" win condition. You mechanically win by milling 1-3 cards a turn and stopping an opponent from doing anything, and calling them "stubborn" is also a tell, relying on concedes for your main win condition is against the spirit of the game I feel, because if you played out your combo they would be "stubborn" and waste 10+ minutes.

The very mechanic of it is literally to spam control and prevent a player from playing, until they are bored and realize they won't be able to do anything until they are milled out.

>>53310809
>not that guy
I don't make them explain it (mostly because listening to fat people poorly mumble something i already know {triggers} my autism) but they damn will announce or at least indicate every trigger for me. I've seen too many storm players wiff after the other guy folded.

>>53310953
I personally play out every match against Lantern players and play super casually while we go. Really try and think every play through. If you're playing lantern expect to go 1-1-1.

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>>53310835

>>53310990
I reliably 3-0 lanterns, I rarely have any trouble with them unless I'm playing against a pro player, like I did in Atlanta, and I still beat him.

Anyone looked into combining madcap combo with newest gideon and glorious end? Three mana "take another turn" at instant speed with easy setup in WR prison seems fun.

>>53311056
There are absolutely easy matchups. I saw Living End side in Kataki and side OUT the LEs. That was hilarious.

As a filthy burn player, I prefer to take my time.

>>53310720
>lantern is shit and easily beat
If you're playing shit players or burn then yeah you're right.

>a couple of players are extremely good at it in tournaments because you'll know their decklist, and they still lose more often than not.
It's more about predicting the meta and having a deck that adequately tackle it which is why the two GP winning Lantern lists are completely different. It's also taken down 2 GP's and placed at other tournaments as well so I don't think it's "losing more often than not"

>>53310953
If you're under multiple mill rocks it is literally in your favor to concede to have more time in the other matches. There is no point in being stubborn when statistically your chances of drawing anything relevant are ~1%. No lantern player "relies" on concedes it just speeds the process up, but if you want to be autistic and play under a complete lock and eat the clock be my guest.

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>>53309669
Can I see your Reckoner list?
Been toying with the Skred archtype and Pyromancer's Goggles and it's been sweet, wanna see how other Kothbros are running it
>>53310782
I would totally run her alongside Reckoner and an Insult/Injury, currently though I have 2 Chandra Torch and 2 Chandra Flamecaller though.
If she had that art though, would instantly cut all other Chandras for qtp2t grill

Thought about this guy here for a bit, as well as Incendiary Command, in place of other 5drops such as Butterskull/StormDargons.

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>>53310782
interesting. my build has been the same forever, only odd card is an inferno titan

>>53310427
i will rep pic related at every opportunity

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>>53311780
>Grishoalbrand
Please take your evil out of this thread and stay out.

>>53311780
DO NOT RESPOND TO GRISHOALBRAND POSTERS

>>53311839
>>53311976

Lol this salty bitch

>>53295330
Goblin first, and assuming Turn 1 Mountain, Turn 2 Forest, Turn 3 Plains.

T1: Guide, Swing for 2, Total damage 2.
T2: Nacatl, Swing for 2, Total Damage: 4
T3: Swing for 5, Total Damage: 9

Nacatl, assuming Forest, Mountain, Plains.
T1: Nacatl. Total damage: 0.
T2: Nacatl, Guide, swing for 4.
T2: Swing for 5. Damage 9.

So in the absolute worst scenario, it will still be the same damage regardless, but you'll give your opponent three Guide triggers (And three chances for him to draw a card).

Usually, however, you wiull have Mountain Plains and Forest by turn 2, and then Nacatl first outpaces it.

tl;dr: Nacatl.

>>53312109
Question about Revolt Zoo

Does it run Renegade Rallier?

I remember a bunch of decks running it a couple months ago

>>53312099
Grishoalbrand players are evil
Do not befriend Grishoalbrand players
Do not allow Grishoalbrand players into your dwelling

>>53312386
I haven't played Revolt Zoo yet.

Actually I haven't played any Zoo, just studied, still building the deck

The way I see it: It has nice 2-for-1 potential, but three mana is a lot and I think I'd rather just run more hyper aggressive creatures/more burn to close the game.

Revolt Zoo really is about vomiting the hand T2.

>>53312509
im glad that my post is becoming a copypasta

>>53311839
>>53312509
*splices vengeance eot*
nothing personnel, kid

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Which Mono U meme deck should I build? Taking turns or U Tron?

>>53313074
Neither

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>>53310309
lol

>>53313315
>babbys first inspect element

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>>53313368
ya u caught me senpai

>>53313074
I've personally witnessed Turns take a match so that one.

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>>53313141
But I want to take extra turns or steal my opponents turns.

>>53313074
As someone who used to play Turns, build U Tron. Turns doesn't make people upset, it's just a boring combo that eats up round time and nobody will scoop to it because there's a possibility it will fizzle.

>>53306495
You mean Elesh Norn?

>>53308773

Unless you're hitting Thirst for Knowledge or a Serum Visions, it's not great. Add Pull from Tomorrow.

>>53289433
>Playing?
DSJ and Storm, depending on how I'm feeling at the time. Storm is quite boring after piloting it a while though so idk.

>Brewing?
UWR Control, with madcap, likely terrible but I want to try it.

>Metagame thoughts?
I don't like it, not much interaction aside from UW control, which is not fun to play.

>Bans/Unbans?
I'd honestly like them to wild west it and just mass unban and see where the chips fall. BBE, Dread Return, Probe, GGT, JTMS, one cantrip, Twin, Pod, Summer Bloom, SFM. I realize some of those would end up having to be re-banned, but I really think the extent would be smaller than most people think.

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>>53314032
>norn
>good
Only good waifu in this game Tamiyo

>>53314156
I was really just hoping the cuck that posts norn fanart would come back and make everyone hate having brought up this up.

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>>53314180
I don't think I'm them, but I have some.

>all this Norn posting makes me want to build UW Tron
Should I do it for her?

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>>53314616
4c gifts is the patrician choice

>>53310331
UW Control = Samus

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>>53313949
>>53314616

What I'm always wondering is how good or bad fringe decks like those really are.

I mean it's kinda hard to evaluate the power level of decks almost no one is playing, if no one is playing them they can't really put up results.

For example in the case of U Tron shoktroopa consistently puts up 5-0 league finishes so the deck can't be that bad, if more people were playing it it could probably become tier 2.

>>53314871
That's just how it goes. Death's Shadow was a deck for a long time before DSJ came and popularized it. Modern is vast and most is still unexplored, and without rotation forcing creative deck building everyone just netdecks without taking any risks.

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Why was sheoldred so popular with the nips?

i have so much more art of her than norn and she doesn't even fit in a deck.

Also, some cool norn trivia. There was a skramz band that went by Elesh Norn, but after gaining a little popularity they preemptively changed their name to Flesh Born to avoid legal trouble.

https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/flesh_born


>>53314871
The only limit to playing a league is money/points. So you can see people just jam a shit ton of leagues with a fringe deck and pull off 5-0s.

>>53314938
I don't think that that's really true, I doubt there are many people wasting their money in an attempt to brute force a 5-0 with a terrible deck.

Also shoktroopa streams all of his games and has a great winrate something ridiculous like 60-15 last time I saw his stream, so it's definitely not true in his case.

Is there a 3cmc card that does -3/-3 to everything? or 3 damage to everything? I need a 4 toughness creature to survive, but to wipe out Zoo/Gobbos/Merfolk

>>53315126
anger of the gods is where you wanna be

but if youre asking this im assuming youre not in red. what color is your deck?

>>53315011
Point being they can still do it if they want to. And sometimes people just get lucky.

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15437&d=293993&f=MO

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15327&d=293210&f=MO

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12884&d=274920&f=MO

>>53315180
ignore first one obv.

>>53315138
>>53315138
>>53315138
Abzan shitbrew

>>53315126
yaheeni's expertise

>>53315324
Do you have reading problems?

how the fuck does ad nauseam work.

you lose 42 life drawing cards.

you play lightning storm - but you are dead, you paid life and by playing a card from your hand, the spell resolved and you die.

you discard lands, you are still dead.

further, you lightning storm me for 100

ok, it's a tie. all spells and effects resolve and we are both at 0.


Obviously it doesn't work this way, there must be some retard loop or logic in how he is losing life and is able to cast spells, and still win. But how?

>>53315539
Angel's Grace/Phyrexian Unlife baka

>>53315539

Angels grace or Phyrexian unlife

Look at the deck next time

>>53315539
AN players suck off the judges in droves so they just let them play and interpret cards however they want to. You're lucky you haven't pissed one off, when you do they pull the ol' t0 win.

>>53315593
>>53315573
>>53315561
Ok, so you draw angels grace at -40 and play it, how are you not dead?

He didn't have unlife out.

I get it, if you play either beforehand, how do you do it while drawing your library and dying?

>>53315539
Unlife/Angel's Grace/ lil gideon

>>53315126
2cmc gets you -1/-1 to each, 3cmc will get you -2/-2 each, not sure if there's a 3cmc for 3 iirc.

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Wizards of the Coast has banned Felidar Guardian due to its powerful combo with Saheeli Rai, dubbed Copycat by fans.

Does a card have to be banned to ban a broken combo? Was the Copycat combo broken enough to warrant the ban? With the rotating nature of Magic: The Gathering’s standard sets does this ban truly matter?

The science behind tcg banned and restricted lists is a polarizing part of trading card culture.

>>53315618

You don't get to draw your whole deck and play angels grace in response

>>53315618
You have to use angel's grave beforehand.

>>53315637
uhhh.....? Is this like the opener to some paper you're writing on MTG?

why are you posting this on the modern general?

are you an actual retard?

>>53315637
>Wizards of the Coast has banned Felidar Guardian due to its powerful combo with Saheeli Rai, dubbed Copycat by fans.
Still legal in modern.

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>>53315637
You can still put dirty gideon players in their place in modern though

>>53315652
>>53315663
what a pos judge then, sat there for 5 minutes arguing about how he can cast all the shit in his library while he is using the spell and reacting to it repeating.

>>53315637
this is the modern general friend

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>>53311315
>>53311780
Promo does the tomboy thing better but it's still lacking

>kothbro
I am sorry senpai, I cut him for 3 exquisite firecraft and an ash zealot cause my meta is the bluest place in the modern world

that said 2x magmatic insight + 1x Bedlam reveler has been effectively spicy

>>53311315
>Insult/Injury
I will though cut a firecraft for that. I hadn't thought of it.

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>Playing?
storm, deck is gas
oh and blue moon with fatcaster mage

>Brewing?
loam pox even though it's utter trash desu famalam

>Metagame thoughts?
i really hate death's shadow, i know i play storm but like death's shadow is not only not fun to play against it's also just far and away the best deck imo

>Bans/Unbans?
eldrazi temple and death's shadow banned

bbe unbanned
any other anons here play storm? should i be playing peer through depths?

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playing:mono u affinity, i love me some cheap robots and blue spells.

Brewing: Everything constantly.

Bans/unbans;
Unban: Birthing Pod
Ban: nothing, everything else is good.

Do you think that there are hundreds of undiscovered decks in modern?

are we all victims of netdecking?

>>53316385
Net decking is for uncreative faggots

>>53316385
there's maybe one or two but even then i'm doubting that

the problem is, if there is a new deck we haven't found, is it strictly worse than something already in modern?

>>53316385
I swear by rug delver

>>53316415

>>muh netdecking is bad meme

you stick to playing your bad brews, there's a reason why actual established decks are better than most brews

>>53316446
Net decking is the reason standard is so shit, everyones copying each others decks instead of brewing real decks that help topple dominate decks.

>>53289433
>Playing?
Merfolk bby http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-05-17-zWU-merfolk/

Thinking of taking this to Louisville in September, interested in any input
>Brewing?
Trying to get B/W tokens and green devotion piece by piece.

>Metagame thoughts?
It's nice to see lots of decks being viable in this meta, might be better than before the last bans
>Bans/Unbans?
Jace, Ponder or Preordain, and stoneforge. Give white and blue a chance to me more than sideboard fodder. I don't think one of these would do much, but all three could make a few different archetypes more viable.

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>>53316385
>>53316385
>>53316385

B L U E
L
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S T A F F
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>>53316522

nice card bro

>>53316540
>implying I don't have dispel/negate under a scepter already

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>>53316522
cool card my dude

>>53316540
>kcommand
>not posting decay
shaking my head

>>53316590

>implying we live in magical christmas land

>>53316608
>it's magical christmas land to assume you have something but not to assume i have something

>>53316591
Decay isn't actually half bad, in response to Imprint they can kill your Isocron cleanly, but if they try and go for a 2for1 you can punish with a few sequences.

>>53316590
>negate
>not muddle
LITERALLY shaking

Where's the true BLUE STAFF memers at ITT? ISOBOYS WW@

>>53316707

>muddle
>not delay

i'm fucking puking dude where are the true blue staff memers at?

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>>53316590
>>53316707
>>53316718
>Not stroking that Big BLACK Staff
Dump the meme juice deep inside that pussy.

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Argument:
Harsh Mentor would be a better card symmetric and for 3 dmg

>>53316828
i disagree, i actually think the card would be better if it was symmetrical and was activated abilities of all permanents

>>53316646
one's a maindecked response, one's a response to a response that has to be used in a dumb way to fit your criteria. not the same.

>>53316498
Standard is shit because of a small cardpool which leads to it being solved fast. it has nothing to do with "muh netdeckers". If their were decks that toppled that top decks they would have been found by the people who autistically play this game

>>53316498
No it isn't you dumbass. People brew shit all of the time, especially in standard, the brews just fucking suck because they lose to the best decks.

>>53316828
Maybe if it said permanent instead, still a good card though but not in burn imho, maybe in some whackass bears pile

Why did they ban Top after printing this

>>53316917
>small card pool in current standard

>>53290593
I liked splinter twin enough to give this a try
It was pretty interesting
In now understand why blazing shoal is banned

what's your guys opinions on jeff hoogland? i personally like him but i know not a lot of people do

>>53316299
bbebros ww@

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>>53316592
>Killing a player with abrupt decay

>>53316828
The cards barely playable as is why would you want to make it worse?

>>53317064
destroy gideon/phyrexian unlife

>>53316299
>it's also just far and away the best deck imo
Except for the fact it's tied with EldraziTron when it comes to # of top 8s?

>>53316962
Still a small card pool even with the rotation change senpai

>>53316997
He cries a lot although hes right about Legacy

>>53311315
Sorry, I forgot to respond to this. I'll get my list up soon. It's bad.

>>53317096
and yet doesn't crumble to the tiniest amount of landhate. shadow players should start running pox to fuck with tron.

>>53316997
Wasn't he one of those pros that take a deck, play it badly or miss how it's supposed to play it completely and then claims how the deck is shit?

do you guys think wotc is gonna ban gifts storm?

i think the deck is fine, but like it is a storm deck so who knows

>>53317229
In its current state, I doubt it. It's far from overly dominant and has some decent enough counterplay.

>>53317159
U should say Smallpox. Pox is a different card and not modern legal

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New affinity player here. On turn 1, if you have both a vault skirge and a signal pest in hand, and you can only play one of them, which one do you play?

Also, how are your sideboarding options? what do you side in against DSJ and merfolk?

>>53317414
Id say Signal Pest since it boosts your future attackers

do any of you lads play on cockatrice?

if so, we should play sometime my dudes

my username is uwu so hit me up if you see me on

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>>53289433

Show me your most mtg-related triggering pictures, anon.

>>53317674

That shithole? It's filled with cancerous faggots that kick you out of the game if you even dare to interrumpt their autistic combos or some even a glimpse of control or permission.

Fuck that shit. I use it to test decks only with people I know irl.

>>53317715
Its a gay mexican holding up a bad playmat

>>53317674
>my username is uwu
Sorry I dont play with gays

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>>53317829
i didn't know rude people were allowed here

yo guys i just saw the hottest new meme for the storm deck, andrew shrout was playing pieces of the puzzle in his storm build

STORM BOYS WW@

>>53318013
It's a good card!! Draw 2 for 3 mana with digs and graveyard fuel.
Good on andrew!! ⭐

>>53316385
Not hundreds but definitely a couple. DSJ's pieces were available a while before the deck came to life

>>53318013
>pieces of the puzzle
its like minigifts

>>53317991
úwù

>>53318563
owo

>>53290593
Except it's so easily solved.

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I'm playing b/w tokens, but temp without bitterblossoms for now due to budget. Is there a viable alternative? I'm running of mix of a few more hand disruption along with some alarms, but maybe there's something a bit more spicy that could work?

>>53318735
The deck really does hinge on bitterblossom to succeed, and there isn't a viable replacement for them. Get them as soon as you can.

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>>53318735

W H I T E S T A F F

>>53318972
I was gonna wait for Iconic Masters since I'm almost positive it's gonna be reprinted and the price is gonna tank when it does. Maybe I should just bite the bullet.

>>53318975
white staff would use silence you dingaling

>>53319033
I miss that deck desu

>>53319033
not in a tokens deck dude

>>53319053
oh I thought you were replying to the blue staff guy, my bad

>>53318975
I would legit play a staff deck if it wasn't so fragile, even if you couldn't imprint stuff like silence.

>>53319081
remember the uwr delver deck with staff

>>53319081
Scepter + Orim's Chant was actually pretty good tech in Legacy before Abrupt Decay came along.

I think the best card for the stick in Modern is Boros Charm, though.

god i wish xmage wasn't trash because having no rules enforcement on cockatrice is terrible, just had to explain how the stack and priority work to this dumb pajeet and he thought i was cheating

If I'm gonna snag boosters from w
almart what's the best bang for my buck as far as resale

>>53319359
baby powder

>>53316385
Undiscovered? Probably not. Pushed out of the metagame by Tron, Jund, and/or incidental hate meant for Affinity? You bet your ass.

>>53319359
Just steal them

>>53319359
Get the mystery boxes. Got 4 mythics out of 6 packs including Liliana, the Last Hope the other day.

>>53319376
What are "mystery boxes"

>>53319358
Xmage is fine, you're just a fag

>>53319380
They come with like 5 packs from the newest sets (minus Amonkhet for now) and a mystery pack that is I'm assuming modern legal (I got Dragon's Maze for instance). I just got one on a whim the other day but it paid off.

>>53319388
are you braindead or something? xmage is borderline unusable

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>>53319376
>get the overpriced boxes of unsalable boosters that were collecting dust before some marketing "genius" thought of selling them as sets to schmucks
>b-b-b-but muh sample size of one!
>>53319689
it's buggy and ugly, but far from unusable

>>53319705
not only is it buggy and ugly, it's super clunky and awkward to use

>>53319689
>xmage is borderline unusable
Elaborate

The only things I don't like are that it's a pain in the ass to download all the card images, and rollbacks bug out more often than they work

>>53319778
Correct! Still the best option available though. Outside of tabletop simulator with friends you know personally, of course.

>>53308773
scarmouchhh inthis bitch

>>53310371
anyone else notice boros reckoners faceplate looks like nicol?

>>53310331
affinity = solid snake

>>53310990
>>53311056

i was actually wondering this the other day. Doesnt lantern self mill as well?? If you play somthing like say eldrazi tron which does really draw much..couldnt you just wait for a lantern to self mill?

also what is its win con.. is it really your opponent just giving up out of boredom? ive never played vs lantern

So ive been trying to make kiki work as a replacement for splintertwin since it got banned
I think im done its just not working
any advice before I scrap this and make a different deck?

>>53322232
kiki/restoration angel is real, it's just no way a T1 deck like Twin.

>>53322280
well that sucks
really the only reason I got into modern in the first place
maybe ill try it in legacy
or build an edh deck

>>53322307
It has several good matchups and infinite angels is a legit wincon. Don't get too discouraged, I've lost to the deck twice online. Get spicy, not salty.

>>53316828
Why doesn't this card say planeswalker? What possible negative consequence was there that bumped that off?

What's a good creature to rez using the Gifts/Unburial rights besides Iona and Elesh Norn? I was thinking Void Winnower for Eldrazi but I'm not sold on it. Should I just stick with Wurmcoil?

>>53322232
Have you considered playing Eldritch Evolution as a replacement for Pod? People shit on it because it's clearly not Pod, but it feels like it could be more effective at replacing it than Chord.

>>53323264
>Eldritch Evolution
i guess you could pestermite or another 3 drop combo piece into a kiki

>>53322545
people would stop buying gideons for standard.

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>>53316828
pic related is a better card

>>53323782
No

Why is Red not allowed to have a non-reactive 2 drop?

>>53324045
isn't anything with haste non-reactive?

>>53324045
hellspark elemental seems pretty proactive to me

>>53324045
Who is Tibalt?

>>53319359
>buying boosters to sell the contents

Nigga that is not how this game works.

>>53323198
>using rites on anything but the card that will win you the game

It isn't worth the set up to rites a fucking wurmcoil, just do Iona and Elesh Norn like everyone else, there's a reason they're the most popular.

>>53318735
packrat, elesh norn, and unburial rites is what I use for a spicy meatball

>>53315637
This ban was warranted
The previous bans were not
I was even OK with gideon eating shit but I guess since Mardu fell off that's unnecessary