Primaris Space Marines are a Good Thing.

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>>53277965
Primaris marines are cute. CUTE !

>>53277965
I personally dig em. They're how marines should be, both model wise and stat wise.

They're like Grey Knights, even speshuler and betterer than the special better than normal humans people, ie basic bitch shonen anime shit

MY NEW GUYS ARE EVEN COOLER THAN YOUR COOL GUYS :^)

That being said 40k's setting hasn't been anything but utter garbage since maybe 3rd edition at the absolute latest, so who cares?

>>53277965
Whole-heatedly agree brother. Preach the imperial truth!

>>53278242
>so who cares?
Evidently all the autists derailing every thread they can find to complain about people liking fluff they don't like.

>>53278242
fag

>>53278304
You sure showed me, kiddo

Honest question, are Primaris Marines going to be their own faction a la Sigmarines, or are they just new units being added to the regular Space Marine codex?

>>53277965
fucking this holy shit

GW delivered on everything that we wanted, and of course this caused all all the doomsday talkers autismo levels to fucking sky rocket.

>>53278348
seeing as he got a (you) out of you, looks like he did

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>>53277965
You, I like you.

I have literally never heard anyone say they want true scale marines.

You know what I have seen? People sperging out about old retired minis and a lack of "You only get what you see!" and people complaining about "how broken" 2nd ed. Marines are because of smaller LoS and boardspace taken up. And just like 2nd ed. Marines, regular marines will slowly be phased out by the newer models and be made redundant. It's only a matter of time until GW claims that Primarius models will become the new default Space Marine model.

>>53278372
Here, have a (You) yourself, kid, I know you desperately want one and I'm feeling generous

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>>53278350

from what it seems yes and no.

There will be entire chapter composed of these nu marines, but they can also be used in any imperial army with relative ease as support units


>>53278385
just google image true scale marines. see how many hits you get of people using green stuff to extend limbs and torsos.

the scale of space marines has always been a complaint since they are physically as tall as guardsman and FUCKING TAU.

>>53277965
>MKIV helmet

they look gay. daily reminder that shit helmet looks like a retarded fish face and only really works on themed armies like the barracudas of the milky way or something. by spamming MKIV in horus heresy and these nu-marines GW ensures that I won't buy either.

>>53278427
i personally always liked the horus heresy helms, they seem a lot sleeker while still looking intimidating

> by spamming MKIV in horus heresy and these nu-marines GW ensures that I won't buy either.

these new marines could be made out of fucking gold and only cost 10 cents and people like you would still not fucking buy them.

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>>53278427
>retarded fish face

literally what about them at all makes it look like a fucking fish

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>>53277965
>geneseed
>one of the most crucial, important components of making an Astartes warrior
>fight battles to retrieve from the fallen
>here mechanicus bro, have some geneseed
>dark angel, space furry, fuckin blood angel geneseed
>it's cool bro
>oh, you made us some new mutated marines? Sick, welcome to the chapter my man

But hey man, I'm just a guard player, what do I know?

I'm glad of them too.

Now the original marines will be phased out & I can stop buying shit & be free

>>53278508
seeing as cawl has been around for more than ten millennia, and has the resources that he has, I do not think it is unreasonable that he would have been able to acquire it.


>Now the original marines will be phased out & I can stop buying shit & be free

They are not going to be phased out, like I said in the OP post, you can field entire armies of terminators and dreadnoughts, or just play greyknights, but you dont since these have drawbacks, and people still love space marines.

I imagine primaris vehicles, akin to the land raider, are gonna cost a fuck ton since they can wheel around what are most certainly going to be bulky models

>>53278427
GW specifically mentioned you can use a variety of helmets. I fully expect to see VII pattern helmets on these guys the moment they drop.

>>53278508
It's ok, Rowboat Guilleman says it's alright.

At least it aint fucking centurions.

>>53278508
Every chapter sends a regular tithe of geneseed to Terra. The Mechanicus didn't just roll up and ask for it. It was GIVEN to them as a part of regular Imperial operation.

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>>53278499

>>53277965
>>53278421

the elite, of the elite, of the elite, of the elite, of the elite (am I missing one?)

>>53277965
I would have preferred that they just introduced them as truescale marines rather than as a really shitty plot device.

Yeah, it'd mean I'd have to buy new stuff, but fuck it. My Marines are starting to show their age anyway.

>>53278663
thats not a primaris head you autist
>>53278694
just elite of the elite

They look cool
I'll buy lots of them from chinaman

>>53278694
>be GW
>"the land raider is the mightiest battle tank of the imperium"
>release baneblade

>>53277965
I love them, but one question remains,
How compatible are they with existing upgrade kits?

I'd love to create my Donut Steel Chapter with these guys, but if the scale gap is too large, it may limit kitbashing.

>>53277965
Primaris GK when?

>>53278716
it's a MKIV helmet faget, they wised up and flattened the mouth part of nu-marines but it still looks like something out of The Shadow Over Innsmouth

I thought GSC was supposed to be the lovecraftian faction

>>53277965
I won't read all that but I do agree with your title. Personally I really like them and I'm excited to see what changes might come to space marines (Model wise) in the future.

>>53278716
>Imperial Guardsmen
>Stormtroopers
>SoB
>Space Marines
>New Marines

>>53278748
>748>>53277965(You)(OP)
the already said limbs wise no, but random bits yes.

Shills get out REEE

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>>53278771
if they made a nu-marine special character based on frank horrigan wud b laff, since frank was basically a primaris space marine

>>53278812
Schweet.

If that is the case, necron warriors may finally be used for cyberlimbs, solving many of my problems.

>>53277965
I think they look kickass, and to me the stats feel more what Space Marines are *supposed* to be.
BUT instead of GW just saying "hey look, we're adding new gear and shit for space marines that coincides with the new edition so you have an excuse to buy our new and improved minis if you want" they created super-duper special marines that only cause problems for the setting and story.

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>>53278873
Problems, you said ?

>>53278606
to the Adeptus Terra, NOT the Mechanicus. It is not the same, and the two organizations don't necessarily get along all that well.

Why have regular Space Marines if these Spacier Marines exist? What's their role within a Chapter?

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>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?
>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?
>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?
>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?
>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?
>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?

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>>53277965
I know calling them chadmarines is some reactionary nerd shit, but damn.

My main question is where did Mark IX power armour go?

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They are well proportioned.
Slick looking.
Amazing.

I just can't wait to buy a truckload of them.

>>53277965
These models look great, and if that one rumor that got the name and fluff right is true, they'll be part of a new box which has 56 models for $150, which would be sick as shit.

>>53278904
like the fact that Cawl apparently has been allowed (somehow) to tinker with the geneseed of MULTIPLE legions without their say-so -- which is also fucking about with the Emperor's *greatest work* (which I remind you, is not only ultimately based on His DNA and thus sacrosanct, but has *never* turned out well before). I cannot see how the Mechanicus or the Adeptus Terra or the High Lords would *ever* sign off on this without Guilliman literally standing there glaring at them the entire time. On top of that, it kind of just shits on current Space Marines -- it's basically just saying that they're obsolete even if they technically aren't rules-wise.

>>53278994
mk IX "Errant" was never produced in large numbers. As I recall it was more difficult to make and had issues with compatibility with other armor parts, so if part of it was destroyed you couldn't just use a surviving piece of another suit but needed a new part entirely.

>>53279024
lorewise the Emperor could produce stronger SM, a.k.a thunderwarriors, he probably made the space marines the way they are because there's something in between we don't know, in other words some shit will go down with these nu-marines.

>>53279051
>mk IX "Errant"

Errant is MkVIII, MkIX has never been mentioned before.

>>53278948
The primaris marines are basically what Corax tried to do during the HH. Lab grown space marines to quickly bolster their forces. Now with 100% less chaos fuckery.

>>53278784
Left out the pdf.

>>53279051
>had issues with compatibility with other armor parts, so if part of it was destroyed you couldn't just use a surviving piece of another suit but needed a new part entirely.

Besides the fact that Errant is MkVIII, that's mkIV you're describing. Every mark afterwards is fully cross compatible and that's why marines can have a single old piece of armour on a MkVII suit etc.

>>53279085
I was sure it was mk IX, but I could be wrong. Then I have no idea.

>>53278860
"Your ride is over, Xenos Scum. Time to die."

>>53279088
So they made them spammable AND better than the regular Space Marines. There has to be a catch, right?

>>53279015
>>53279015
that seems like a terrible sales tactic for normal customers though, $150 only seems like a sweet deal to existing players who have accepted an existence equivalent to jerking off while GW fucks their wallet. a normie would balk at laying down a cool 1.5 hundred for 56 plastic army men, but aren't starter boxes supposed to sucker normies?

I would buy it tho

>>53279256
They're not just tech heresy, they're tech heresy perpetuated by Guilliman.

>>53279233
80s and 90s GW would have done this

would New Games Workshop do it?

>according to these numbers most of our customers weren't alive during fallout 2's release

'fraid not

alright I'm done being salty about GW, I still like the game and models overall. these primaris marines seem a bit unimaginative though, out of the 30 IRL years of material to mine or even fucking to come up with, they pick . . . bigger big big biggies? I thought they already did that, it was called centurions.

I'm curious about the nu-death guard though. Apparently plague marines swelled up to primaris size as soon as they heard gullymon was stepping his sons' game up. Thanks warp.

>>53279329
It's only Death Guard that get spacier marines? Fuck my life.

>guys people want their space marines to be bigger
>we'll keep space marines the exact same size and make an entirely new army that is bigger
There is no way to justify this. In fact OP contradicts himself. He clearly states that this is the only way to get truscale, and then says YOU WILL STILL USE THE OLD MODELS to make a viable army. That is, your army will not in fact be truscale. Which is it? Are these a replacement or a separate faction?
>t-they can't just make bigger models!
Is that why my Bloodthirster is half the size of the latest iteration?

>>53278784
>Imperial Guardsmen
>Stormtroopers
>Skittari
>SoB
>Space Marines
>Grey Knights
>New Marines
>Custodes
>The Primarchs and Constantine Valdor

Expanded it a bit for you

>>53279457
This. Also, they are going to make a primaris version of every SM unit in the future anyway.

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>>53279457
Let me illustrate the point further.

>>53279256
During the HH, Corax was given the primarchs genome and the location of the lab used to create the primarchs by the Emperor. Using this knowedge, Corax could create 500 marines within a few weeks. The biggest difference was that these marines did not have black carapace to interact with power armor as black carapace is synthetic.

If Guiliman got the information on how to create lab born marines from Corax or the people who worked with Corax, it is likely that the primaris marines lack black carapace and thus require specialised power armor (mark x).

An interesting detail is that the common genome could be used to generate the genome of any of the 20 primarchs, which could explain how Guiliman got the geneseeds of the different space marine legions.

>>53279529
>blue Bloodthirster

At this point they may as well make them all female, seeing as the grognards are already triggered. It's not like it can get any worse right :^)

>>53279572
The only image I could find still functional that did a comparison.

>>53277965
>"Marine Marines are a good thing guys."
>"Just buy our new and improved models (only $60 for 5)!"

t.Shill

>>53279572
He exclusively kills crabs and nobility

>>53279457

Because he's just a GW shill. They are getting a lot of flak over the absolutely garbage fire rules and shitty way to pimp out models rather than give a shit about the game. But this is the mentality of a company that has said before they are a model company and not a gaming one. The reason the game is imbalanced is because the codexes just give an incentive to buy certain models. It's like the storefront in games you paid for: tabletop edition.

Anyone who plays this is either a masochist, using the sunk cost fallacy, or fucking retarded. It is now blatantly clear and there is no excuse whatsoever to stick around and not play a better (and cheaper) game.

>b-b-but the rules

Are fucking trash. Next!

>b-b-but youre just poor!

Enjoy wasting money.

>b-b-but the fluff

Can easily be read for free on any wiki.

>b-b-but the models are good and I like painting

Enjoy your over expensive barbie dolls.

>b-b-but GW may get better one day

Enjoy caring for your wife's son.

>>53277965
It would be better if they did replace the whole catalog.

Right now its not worth buying anything thats scaled to manlet marine size.

Its a very discouraging market for new players like me

>>53279354
well I just mentioned death guard because the new starter set is primaris loyalists vs apparently primaris plague marines, whatever they will be called. there's a big plague dude with smoke coming out of his back and so on. nothing says chaos won't get some more, but desu I wish neither existed, it's unnecessary. but that's just my opinion man.

>>53279529

>implying reiterating one single monopose model and scaling it, then sprinkling new versions in is the same is redoing and entire catalog of dozens of unit types, each with multiple poses and equipment options

>>53279638
underrated post

>>53279776
I'm ok with Chaos getting big, mutated mega marines because it makes sense and the faction really needs an elite unit to match things like assault termies and battle suits since mutilators are a bust and regular terminators are significantly lower on the power scale than they were in 3rd.

>people saw the leaks and thought it was a move to truescale
>'fucking GW going to force us to rebuy our entire armies those fucking Jews anyone okay with this is a fucking shilling retard '
>turns out it's a new unit type so you can pick and choose as you like
>'fucking GW not moving everything to truescale now it looks retarded and no you actually have no choice at all and must buy them no matter what those fucking Jews anyone okay with this is a fucking shilling retard'

I'm not going to pretend I'm surprised by this, but jesus I swear there was a time /tg/ wasn't actually this manchildish.

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>>53279845

>GW picks a half assed middle ground and destroys any semblance of balance in the rules

>people shouldn't complain

But nice deflection to people calling them Jews. Excellent strawman ya have there. You sure beat the shit out of him.

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Could 40k eventually go completely true-scale and eventually phase out the old minis? True-scale guardsmen, true-scale Eldar, and so forth.

>tfw you love the new models and scale but hate the idea of primaris marines lore-wise

Help

>>53279792
My point was that "GW can't possibly alter the scale of an existing model" was a demonstrably false claim by OP.

>>53279748
Not for GW. Replacing the whole catalogue would require them to replace a ton of moulds to produce kits that not every space marine player would get. This also includes replacing moulds of kits that are unpopular and are even less likely to sell.

From a customer's standpoint, replacing the catalogue seems like a great idea but from a business standpoint, the cost is too great for a medicore payoff.

>>53279965
You are not alone brother

>>53279972

And my point was showing that editing a single model a handful of times across a span of 40 years isn't the same as redoing an entire catalog of their largest faction in less than (presumably) one

>saying but look they introduced A SINGLE bigger bloodthirster

oh hey but look they introduced A SINGLE squad of bigger marines

>>53279491
You forgot the planetary defense forces.

>>53279965
The models in themselves look fine. It's just that every single thing except the piece of plastic itself is stupid and will probably end up costing them money in the long run. Also, how would someone use this kit to make, say, truscale mark 7? Or 6, or really anything. Do we know enough yet? My LGS is already getting questions to that end.

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>>53279672

>>53277965
>This is the only way you are going to get bigger marines.
Or you could just, y'know, field them and consider them regular marines

>>53280063
>oh hey but look they introduced A SINGLE squad of bigger marines
They already confirmed Primarus Dreadnoughts, and the way the FAQ is worded suggests a faction with as many unique units as any other.

>>53279965
I don't like the idea of them being so ubiquitous. The Space marine range is already huge and has so many models and upgrade kits that trying to bump up the size kills off a lot of kits from a scale that was already working.

>>53280076
>Good Question. There are certainly elements of the existing Space Marines kits that will be cross-compatible, while the new armour mark means that some parts won’t mix as easily. Shoulder pads and helmets are the same scale, and will still work, whereas the legs, torso and arms are different, and not quite as interchangeable. In terms of the Primaris sets themselves, you’ll have loads of fun kit-bashing them.

Helmets can be swapped out, but fixing the legs will probably take some cutting and green stuff.

>>53279965
Just play them with regular marines rule, who's stopping you?

>>53280122
I knew I was missing something. I don't actually play 40k but I know how to help some of the people who do now.

>>53280063
As they would do with other SM units till there is non of the original wich is the same as redoing them.

>>53280140
The problem isnt the rules or the models. Is the horrible excuse of a fluff they use it to sell it to you.

>>53280187
What do you care about the fluff?
It's just a mental barrier you build to prevent yourself to enjoying the things you like

The fluff is not real, be your own fluff

>>53279881
I like how you are talking about balance when 8th ed is a move to a different system. It's almost like you're strawmanning, anon.

>>53280216
Mostly because the fluff IS the only thing I enjoy about 40k.

>>53280187
What part of the fluff are you unhappy with? It's not like lab grown space marines don't have precedence in the fluff.

>>53280280
Time to move on my man.

Transcend the fluff, embrace fluffyness

as i said, be your own fluff

They will be my biggest marines.
Clad in the biggest armour
With the biggest guns
And the biggest goodness.
I shall call them big marines.

>>53279988
I suppose, just hoping the first few they mentioned get done quickly so im not just stuck with truescale tacticals for months.

>>53280063
>A SINGLE squad
m8

>Will there be multiple types of Primaris Space Marines?
You bet. So far you’ve seen the Intercessors, the line infantry clad in Mk X armour, but there are plenty more on the way. And likely vehicles too…

>>53280225

And the system isn't balanced. For a small example take new Tau. Their weakness was always melee. Now they have no such weakness. They can leave melee combat and shoot in the same turn. Then if you charge they get overwatch all at their normal skill. Their one weakness is no longer a weakness. A few token nerfs to riptides and stormsurges doesn't change shit because they are still OP compared to everything else. Going from indefensibly OP to just normal OP isn't a setback or nerf.

And that is merely one of countless examples all based on the little we have seen. Given GW's track record, give me one fucking reason why anyone would be stupid enough to think it'll be any better on release and all the rules won't be just as fucked up? If the ones they show are this trash I can only imagine the cesspool of shit they have kept quiet and didn't show.

>>53280284
My problem is not with Primaris being unplausible but because they are utterly unnecessary to progress in the fluff. SM were already a very characteristic faction and with a theme and didn't need this upgrade and if there was any need of it didnt have to came in the form of Space Marines 2.0. Also the way they introduce them was fucking silly. Project lost for 10000 years and when girlyman return everyone is saved because we bring Ultra-ultrasmufs (even when I know is not that way but still). In resume the idea of Space Marines 2.0 is just unappealing to me but there is still too many things we dont know about them and who knows i may even like them in the future but knowing nuGW its highly unprovable.

>>53280383
Maybe you could look into doing conversions? Could be fun.

>>53280435
Not only are they plausible but they fit in thebfluff. Space marines themselves are aging neglected technology this has been repeated countless times in the fluff.
If the adeptus mechanicus was sitting on the means to create fresh marines as they were intended why not do that? It just needed a Primarchs leadership to ok the use of the tech.

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>>53280479
>Space marines themselves are aging neglected technology this has been repeated countless times in the fluff.

>>53280479
Oh, I guess we didn't forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been completely preserved and gradually improved. Thank goodness the promise of progress and understanding was well alive for the past ten thousand years, for in the not so grim darkness of the far future there is only contrivances to get people to buy more toy soldiers.

>>53280527

But he's right. The method of making space marines in modern 40k is the jerryrigged version. It was designed that way so they could recruit on the go during the great crusade and not wait for reinforcements to be delivered from Terra or wherever. They could replenish their ranks quickly and cheaply at the cost of geneseed killing a lot of initiates but it was easier and there are always plenty of hive worlds or death worlds who won't miss some random dude.

Corvus Corax had the methods to make space marines like the Emperor did, but the Alpha Legion fucked them up. But until now that technology had been lost and took a long time to rediscover. Much like how terraforming technology no longer exists in the setting but did once. But Space marines were a "good enough" solution and stable. After 10,000 years of geneseed mutations and neglect they have become an aging relic.

>>53280122
Wait. If the helmets are compatible doesn't that mean numarines have really tiny heads?

Not going to lie, I love those models.

>we worked out how to make females marines
Get ready

>>53280778
But they're just big tac marines.

>>53277965
agreed actually
I love the look of them, they look like a mix between MK3 and MK4

>>53279892
this is likely their wet dream and end game. Imagine selling all new mini's to all those grogs

>>53280435

Do you honestly think that without Guilliman directly intervening they would have ever let Cawl release anything?

The idea of the Imperium getting desperate enough to start fucking around with Genetic Engineering again is interesting.

The idea that there might be a faction of AdMech that are actually trying to embrace science and engineering is interesting.

Knowing there's powerful organizations in the Imperium that would do anything to destroy even Guilliman for defying their cult is interesting.

NuMarines aren't perfect. I'm not even sure they're good. But they're not a shark jumping moment.

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>>53280985
>tfw I actually really dislike that they're normalising old patterns of power armour when that was one of the main draws for HH to me
>tfw I know I'm a massive faggot

>>53280428
On the flipside, tau's biggest strength were makerlights enabling bs5 and ignores cover shooting, the abundance of shooty monstrous and gargantuan creatures and jetpack infantry's jsj. In 8th ed, the first seems to be replaced with reroll 1s to hit, the second is gone due to changes in unit classification and the third seems to be gone, replaced by the new "fly" rules.

I would say Tau in 8th were rebalanced. Theit strengths got toned down while their weaknesses became less punishing. Maybe you have a different opinion, but facing 4+ reroll 1s to hit is a lot less scary then 2+ twin linked ignores cover.

>>53279457
you know you can just use the numarines as regular tacticals right?

>>53280849

Oh god, no.

If they do anything with the 2 lost Primarchs in this... ugh.

Please god, let them not pander to the white knights demanding pansexual demiotherkin representation in 40k. Those types don't actually play games, they just bitch that their creepy fetishes aren't being included.

>>53281112
>not wanting sexy 7 ft sisters

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DAE hate this true-scale shit to begin with? Muhrines were fucking fine already. They're 3 times thicker than Elfdar and tower over Tau and smaller Nids. They're already way too big to fit in their vehicles.

The real solution was make the Guard a tad smaller(like the older metals).

>>53279845
People are fucking dumb
nothing is stopping you from using the numarines as regular tacticals later down the line, nor is anyone taking the current marines away from you, there are people that still use old ass 2ed Nids for fuck sake.

>>53280640
Current marine models just have big heads for their bodies.

>>53280099
this
duplicates confirm

>>53281073
No one wanted to buy armor conversion kits from FW for 30 GBP with 10 GBP shipping each, them making plastic MK3+MK4 was one of the soundest business decisions they ever made

Same annon from here
>>53280625

>>53281062
Just read your reply tell me what you think

Just thought of a way to make Primaris fluff wise in a more tolerable way. Make primaris marines its own faction. Give them different armor (different enough to differentiate them from SM) make them the Elite of the imperium only under custody in capabilities. Elite like 1st veteran company style, they are there, they can fight by themselves but are more into supporting everyone else. That way they exist with everything that entails (a.k.a >>53281062) but dont look like a replacement to SM. Yes the problem is that GW wouldn't have its excuse to sell true scale marines because this primaris would have a different theme (or at least different armor (a way more different kind of armor than the changes we see from a mk to another) and that there are already too much of them.
Still, let me known your opinion anons.

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>>53281240
But they never sold 30k conversion kits anon.

>>53281267
Its too late now autist

>>53281267
Only below the Custodes*

>>53281073

I know that feel, bro. If everyone is Mk IV then my Mk V and Mk IV Carcharodons are not special, other than the whole RIP AND TEAR albino maori bit.

>>53280435
>>53281062
It is also worth mentioning that the last time lab grown marines were attempted by Corax during the Horus Heresy, the results were heavily mutated (due to sabotage by the Alpha Legion). So it is probably something you would want to keep a secret until you have the proper backing.

>>53280075
>pdf
nope those are the rank and file
IG taken from the best of the guard
Stormtroopers either taken from the best of the guard or trained from kommisar school

>>53281284
truth be told I never paid attention to FW because I couldn't justify the prices, from what I see on FW they're charging 35 GBP for 5. On GW you can get 10 for 50 USD, it's a much better deal.

>>53281290
Im just following the other anons suggestion "The fluff is not real, be your own fluff" and "Transcend the fluff, embrace fluffyness" anyway I like thinking an writing about this kind of stuff so its no a matter of "oh I have this great idea lets change reality by posting a fucking post in /tg/"

>>53280640
The current heads are large in proportion.

>>53280849
SoB just got an upgrade.

>>53281062
I preferred the mystery of Guilliman being locked in stasis. For him to recover points out that GW is going to pander to A) the "nu fanboys" that want a primarch again and B) give normies Truescale Marines so they don't have to kitbash models and use greenstuff (which requires a lot of patience and love of the hobby.) I remembered when Guilliman rumors were circulating and GW said that was impossible. They can change their mind and break from this timeline stalemate, but rogue trader fans will always remember the good times with lead pewter models and really goofy soldiers that "chew bubble gum and throw bolts."

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>>53278663
>LOOK HOW FISHY THE NEW HELMETS ARE!!!!!!
>the classic marine helmet has a literal cliche fishmouth shaped grill at the front
>MFW

>>53281358
>buying from GW
That was your mistake.

>>53281437
It was funny at one point this design was also on eldar helmets.

>>53281439
I said from GW, you can get them for like 40 on amazon, and I'm not a fan of buying chinkshit.

>>53278242
Found the dickwad

Salamanders receive their new reinforcements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHzVoJnN4s8

>>53280428
> Doesn't know the tau statline, the gun profile, the mechanics behind leaving CC.
8th edition is unbalanced! CONFIRMED

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>>53278773

>>53281267

No idea why you pretended to be me. I posted the first post you quoted and that was only to agree that primaris marines were hardly unprecedented in fluff and that space marines are old as fuck now and declining. Two first founding chapters (Blood Angels and Space Wolves) being the main ones severely hampered by mutations. The space wolves getting to the point where even the inquisition is having the balls to investigate a first founding chapter and questioning one of the Emperor's own creations.

I keep hearing "true scale" and that's all fine, but what about vehicle scale? Aren't rhinos already terribly out of scale with Space Marines (assuming you're fielding Primaris as regular marines) among other things?

>>53279672
>caring this much
enjoy caring for your virginity at age 40

>>53281688
Shit, sorry dude, I was actually referring to one of the posts above (>>53280435). New in 4chan at least in the participating part, gets messy som times.

>>53279672
poorfag detected

As a guy who just follows 40K lore for fun, doesn't this just look kinda stupid and a very easy way to sell you more shit?

Such a flat Binary Upgrade to represent Advancement, that, of course, would also require you to buy their shit.

It's literally "Space Marine 2.0 (TM)! Just biggerer and betterer space marines, that are your last hope and everybody loves them!"

Out of all Fluff advancements they seem like the dumbest and most shoehorned in. Not a change of tactics, not a converging of lost Technologies, just biggerer and betterer dude marines.

Seems like a Joke.

>>53282117
>The Emperor of Mankind's greatest warriors are no match for the Emperor of Mankind's even greater warriors!

Does that not sound like good lore to you? Are you gay or somethin', anon?

>>53282179
>Does that not sound like good lore to you? Are you gay or somethin', anon?

I get lost in the layers of Irony that goes on in chans but certainly people can't be this retarded right?

Will GW just keep doing shit like this every 5 years? The fact that this hasn't been thrown out completely, shows that the fanbase deserves whatever fucking they get.

If anything, this proves that GW is really back. These designs are great, and they are releasing them on the heels of actual plot development.

>>53282117
They have already had super duper elite of the elite guys with Grey Knights, Deathwatch, and Custodes. Now they are just adding another layer.

But yeah, uncovering a STC with some bitching war machine that the Imperium could use would have been great. I guess it would have been harder to sell then these guys though.

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>>53277965
>import Spess Muhreenz into WHFB as Sigmarines, killing it instantly
>loop reality back around by importing Sigmarines into 40k

>>53279256
There is a catch, mentioned in their fluff, it's heavily implied that they will exemplify the weird genetic quirks of the less codex compliant chapters like space wolves and blood angels.

>>53277965
I can't wait until you can get entire squads of Nova Primarch-clones or even a platoon of God Emperor-tier Golden Men.

Primaris Sisters when

>>53282253
True

It really is simultaneously completely believable and expected and unbelievable that they have just AOS'd 40K and are unironically introducing bigga marines that isn't an april fools.

>>53282253

Did you shit your pants like this when you found out about the Cursed Founding, too?

I'm interested in the conversion potential. Sigmarine-Primaris kitbash for blood angels/artificer armor, and converting Primaris armor to look like older marks. This is going to be epic!

>>53279672
And your alternative? Because from the sound of it, all your saying is subjective or is typical of all Wargames.

Btw, nice bait, got me to reply.

>>53282577
>Cursed Founding

No, I'm just glad that GWs Fanbase mostly consists of retards or this entire enterprise would have ended decades ago.

>>53281437
The classic markVII helmet has a triangle face grill but it manages to look cool instead of mcfucking retarded.

The markIV looks like a shitty fish face because of the elongated fish lips and slots that look like fish nostrils. Nice try but I knew somebody would bring this up and you're still wrong as I have explained.

>>53282682

We're glad to have you with us, fellow retard.

>>53277965
Hi shill
>TG needs to fucking accept this.
Make us.
>you are bound to find improvements.
Nope they aren't Emperor.
>Primaris marines will most certainly be bulky and require expensive transports.
Yep, so what? GW just forcing their largest plaerbase to restart collecting their armies from the core.
>This is the only way you are going to get bigger marines.
Because..?

>>53281177
>GW
>sexy
pick one, anglo

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The 40k fanbase is one of the fucking dumbest I've ever been a part of. We finally get what we've wanted all along and all you people do is bitch and whine.

>>53283636
>We
You mean more moneys from Ultrakids, GW?

>>53279457
They can't make tem as a replacement because that would outdat thousands of people's big
and expensive armies and the resulting flame would destroy them.

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>>53283763
>They can't make tem as a replacement because that would outdat thousands of people's big
and expensive armies and the resulting flame would destroy them.

>Warhammer Fantasy (1983-2015)
>30+ years of lore flushed down the drain and replaced with Age of Sigmar

>>53283837
what a waste of models, paint and time, he could have just kept playing with friends

>>53277965

The problem is, if these guys are going to be the new space marines (and despite the FAQ I believe they will slowly replace the old kit) then it becomes a real pain in the arse for other marine factions to keep up. They'll need new kits and new terminators.

>>53283636
Damn straight anon all these marine players are cancer.

>>53283837

Yeah after they axed Fantasy I realised nothing was sacred, I don't know if the old guard are just not GW's audience anymore of if they don't care anymore but GW will change anything they wish to regardless of how much it might piss people off.

>>53279354
Thousand Sons are also a lot bigger.

>>53284279
The fact that they name dropped Dark Angels and Space Wolves as chapters that accepted them makes me think they'll actually do this though. Why specifically namedrop your two most expansive kits of marines outside of El Generico and the Ultramarines as going with this if you're not going to do anything with it? Even they haven't done that before.

>>53284369
Theu are deathwatch-lets big, not primaris big

>>53282253
>keep doing shit like this every 5 years?

What did the space marines replace 5 years ago again ?
Oh, you meant 35 fucking years surely ?
I'll drop 3k € on primaris and my group is extremely hyped.
My deepest hope is that primaris sells so much that Regukar sm become in catachan-never update scheme for thr next 30 years just to piss poor faggots like you.

>>53283646
>finally get fluffier rules for marines
>finally get true scale marines
>bitch and whine like a fucking child

You aren't doing the public view of us any favors anon. Shut the fuck up and learn how to accept a horse as a gift without shoving your head down its mouth to inspect its fucking small intestine.

>>53281183
I don't think GW knows how make things smaller. In 5 years or so, I expect all their games will be played in 54mm.

>>53284811
>You aren't doing the public view of us any favors anon.
So as your shilling here, Reddit.
>>finally get fluffier rules for marines
Yeah go on, and spell something like "forge narrative".
>>finally get true scale marines
And they are Ultramarines with Centurion-tier design.
>>bitch and whine like a fucking child
>stop disliking muh GW!

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>>53282357
What a coincidence

>>53284811
relax, these whiners will leave soon enough and much like AoS the remaining fan base will be better for it

>>53284974
>remaining fan base
You mean 8+ kids?

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>>53284926
>So as your shilling here, Reddit.
What an enlightened response. Although I think Reddit has a leg up on /tg/ right now as I'm sure there's less false-fans and bitchy fans whining about finally getting what they have bitched over years for. Then again this seems to be the typical response to anything good that happens to the hobby.

>finally get what we want
>people throw autistic fit because we can't have nice things in life

>Yeah go on, and spell something like "forge narrative".
What the fuck does 2 wound marines with 2 attacks and heavy bolter rifles have to do with forge the narrative shit? You finally have fluffy rules for marines you drooling mongoloid, fucking use them.

>And they are Ultramarines with Centurion-tier design.
Are you literate? They specifically said that they are made from the geneseed of their respective Primarchs, they aren't all Ultramarines. Howbout instead of autistically screeching over a hobby you don't even own miniatures of and are just another false flag fag you actually read the fucking announcements instead of going into hysteria?

>>53281183
>The real solution was make the Guard a tad smaller(like the older metals).
This
Fucking Elysians are in the right scale, why make nuMarines that piss off Marine players when you could just rework the cadians?

>>53285005
AOS is selling better than fantasy did in the last ten fucking years. It sucked up until the GHB, but after the GHB it fucking exploded.

>>53279256
Fluff wise, somebody already explained the catch.
Crunch wise, they're not that good. They have 1 more wound and their bolter is better but that's the most important stuff. They only come in groups of 5 and are like the HH groups, with special weapons teams being separate, meaning a lot mess flexibility.

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>>53285026
Because Marine models have retarded proportions and look like fucking gorillas.

>>53285022
>Although I think Reddit has a leg up on /tg/ right now as I'm sure there's less false-fans and bitchy fans whining about finally getting what they have bitched over years for.
Yeah, then go home.
>anything good that happens to the hobby.
>players now forced to collect new armies if they still want to pay something relevant in game
>shitty design
>AoS-tier fluff about even more super duper paladins
>fucked rules with AoS primitivism
Sure, good thing
>finally getting what they have bitched over years for.ur home
None asked for Ultramarines.
> fluffy rules
Pick fucking one
>They specifically said that they are made from the geneseed of their respective Primarchs,
So fucking what?
>created by Ultramarines
>trained by Ultramarines
>loyal to Guilliman

>you don't even own miniatures
Because I've said something bad about Ultramarines?

>>53285034
>AOS is selling better than fantasy did
Yes, how it's contradicts to what I've said?
>in the last ten fucking years.
>ten
Proofs?
>but after the GHB it fucking exploded.
It's exploded after Marvel movies.
>>53285081
Still more interesting than poor Halo-Starcraft proportions

>>53285081
Then just upgrade the models. I really don't get why they felt the need to put this bullshit in the fluff.

>>53280415
It doesn4change the fact that this middle ground they found is the least worst of the bunch. How do you think people would react if GW said "All right, we're redoing the whole range, those are your new Space Marines, old ones will soon be discontinued and won't be supported!"
Were Primarines necessary? Nah. But are they opening interesting doors? Yeah.
The way we have it now, some people will use the old ones, some might use the new, but it'll be several years before you can replace your whole army with Primaris models and use them as count as.

>cheering for "true scale" marines
>everything else out of scale
>whiners whining and shills shilling

So, what are the chances of Epic 40k making a return?

>>53284763
>I'll drop 3k € on primaris and my group is extremely hyped.

We get it, Anon! Your only good qualities as a human being involve spending copious amounts of monies on slightly taller space soldiers, but I'm sure your friends have other reasons for liking you.

inb4 poorfag

>>53282714
That's a matter of taste I'm afraid anon. Some peoplr love mk2 while I find it to be the worst PA of the setting. There's no right or wrong. Live and let live.

>>53285089
You haven't disproved any of his points though.

>>53285057
>they're not that good
I beg to differ. They incorporate a lot of the most common fixes for the weakness of infantry marines: easy to gun down and poor basic weapons for their cost.
The new bolter allows GW to bolster bolters, a long complaint since 2e, and the 2 wounds+attacks allow them to hold their own in a scrap. They are priced accordingly, but they are basically what people have long wanted from boot marines without making current ones obsolete.

>>53285125
>How do you think people would react if GW said "All right, we're redoing the whole range, those are your new Space Marines, old ones will soon be discontinued and won't be supported!"
Like they reacted when DE get total update?

>>53285178
So as you.

>>53285197
Just a 3rd party here mate. I have no claim in this, just noting the fact that you argued about Primarines being Utras when it's not the case at all, and started furiously shitposting about age of Sigmar.
You wouldn't be Ivan now, would you?

>>53285178
Because that's not his point, anon, it's to shitpost as furiously as possible for yous.

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>>53285089
>Because I've said something bad about Ultramarines?
No because somebody who plays a marine army would actually be excited for this release considering it means you no longer have to cut open the thighs of models and stuff card paper in, which makes me think you make up the majority of /tg/ who talk about wargaming/roleplaying yet have never once played a wargame or a roleplaying campaign in their entire life.

>players now forced to collect new armies if they still want to pay something relevant in game
No they aren't, marines are not only still perfectly valid but actually SUPERIOR in some ways because the ye olde tactical squad is more flexible than Primaris Marines will be. Which again, you would know if you actually paid attention the updates and the rules instead of throwing a hysterical bitchfit.

>shitty design
Now you're just being bitchy for the sake of bitchy. Not only did they finally get rid of the godawful aquila helmets, they copied the 'ears' of the original Errant Armor concept art by Jes and they're a wonderful conglomerate of all the heresy era armor marks. The only way they could be better is if they were beakies.

>fucked rules with AoS primitivism
They just made vehicles and walkers great you dipshit, and all you do is whine? Dreadnoughts finally will do something other than die in a single round of shooting and thus remain a threat on the table longer and you think this is somehow making the game "primitive"? There is no tactics in 7th edition 40k. It is purely spam grav or spam decurions, or spam Lords of War and win the game by sweeping entire armies off the table.

>finally getting what they have bitched over years for.ur home
They aren't Ultramarines you retard.

>So fucking what?
They aren't Ultramarines, they're made from every Primarch and were created and trained by the Adeptus Mechanicus- the Ultramarines didn't even know they existed.

>>53285212
>when it's not the case at all
For 8 yo kids, who never played 40k, of course.
>and started furiously shitposting about age of Sigmar.
Yeah, because AoS is such a good design, art and rules...

>>53285232
>Yeah, because AoS is such a good design, art and rules...
It actually does have good rules, considering it has exploded in popularity and you'll find it smothering local hobby shops, especially in the cities. AOS may lack the depth of fantasy but at least it has a playerbase with a pulse- 8th edition was practically dead and there was no new blood.

>>53285212
>You wouldn't be Ivan now, would you?

Lets see.

-Bad English
-Arguing badly and just for the sake of shitposting
-calls everyone shills

Yeah, it's the slav. He seems to have come to 40K threads since they are new grounds for shitposting and trolling.

>>53277965
Real size marines are getting me back to 40K after 8 years ... So did GW get this right or not ? From my perspective if someone like me who has played table top games for years is hyped by this enought to return to 40K - damn straight they did this right ! Die you small fug marines

>>53285228
>be excited for this release
Nice try Schlomo, sorry looks like I am not good goy.
>No they aren't
Yes they are. Primaris Marines means no updates for manlet marines in future
>Not only did they finally get rid of the godawful aquila helmets,
Their vanilla helmet were totally cool.
>they're a wonderful conglomerate of all the heresy era armor marks.
You mean bare plates without any details, like centurion front armor?
>There is no tactics in 7th edition 40k.
Yes, because currrent GW game-designers cannot do something with massive 40k rulesets, now they are just dumping all down like AoS.
>They aren't Ultramarines
They are, created and trained by Ultramarines and marching for Guiliman.

>>53281073
>Degredation of a fanbase/hobby
You mean assblasted elitism by disgusting neckbeards?

>>53285242
>It actually does have good rules,
Nope. It's borring clash on the middle without any balance between factions (each new release becomming new top-army and forcing to buy it).
>but at least it has a playerbase
Yeah, kids who love super heroes movies, such a good audience.
>8th edition was practically dead and there was no new blood.
It was in top-5 in 2013 (year before ET).

>>53285277
>GW fanboy talking about elitism

>>53285297
>Still upset that the plebs can now also buy his super special OC donut steel armor marks.

>>53285317
>>Still upset that the plebs can now also buy his super special OC donut steel armor marks.
>while the same plebs will call you a pleb when you mention GW price-policy

>>53285242
Don't reply to Ivan my fried.
>captcha: schoo recreation

>>53278427
THANK YOU
God, I was beginning to think I was the only one who hated maximus helmets. Although I'm not sure how you see fish faces. They look more like transformer wannabe's to me.

>>53285347
I like the helmets when they're on 30k stuff and only particular legions. But I don't want this to be the new standard that most marines wear. It's easily my least favorite part of Primaris Marines. Luckily the heads are interchangeable, but that still leaves me with needing to get my hands on new heads for every Primaris Marine I purchase.

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>>53278585
>can field entire armies of terminators and dreadnought
>but you don't
That's where I'll have to disagree with you.

>>53285390
That's just usual Primaris Marines.

>>53285272
>Yes they are. Primaris Marines means no updates for manlet marines in future
Which isn't an issue because the Marine range is already full, and the Horus Heresy will continue to produce old scale models and weapons meaning that resource will never go up in smoke. And meanwhile they are more or less equal tactically, with Primaris having an edge in melee but sucking in shooting which is the reverse for standard tacs.

>Their vanilla helmet were totally cool.
The vanilla helmet is a beaky helmet, the aquila is a fucking abortion created years after the fact that ought to smothered out of existence as it is both unoriginal and idiotic looking (gigantic "mouth" asking to be shot).

>You mean bare plates without any details, like centurion front armor?
They look fucking nothing like Centurions, do you even own normal tactical space marines? These are NO DIFFERENT in term of level of detail. At this point it's obvious you don't have a marine to your name.

>Yes, because currrent GW game-designers cannot do something with massive 40k rulesets, now they are just dumping all down like AoS.
Complex rules are objectively bad as they lead to games that take fucking hours if only thanks to redundant USR bullshit. 8e is not nearly as simple as AOS as it still has weapon strength, the only major change is to BS/WS. If you had played 2e however, you'd know that this is simply going back more to how 40k used to be played than some wholly brand new version of 40k.

>They are, created and trained by Ultramarines and marching for Guiliman.
Except they were neither created or trained by the Ultramarines. Are you illiterate along with not having a single wargame model to your name?

>>53285323
>/tg/ is one person

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>>53285374
Anything is better than aquila dogshit. But they should have copied MK 3.

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>>53285435
What retard made the switch to the Darth Vader wannabes anyway.

>>53285374
Couldn't disagree more. Aside from beakies, MkIV is the coolest helmets. So I'm loving these.

>>53285435
>>53285452
I think the aquila being an inferior design is actually fluffy as the Mk. VII armour became the standard because it was easy to produce and maintain, not because it was the best.

Also the Mk VIII improving on it by adding the gorget to help somewhat protect the vulnerable mouth-spot becomes even more fluffy.

I guess that means it also does make sense for the new improved Mk X to have a helmet design going back to better iterations again.

Did GW actually... put thought into this?

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>they can't just remodel an entire army

>>53285435
>>53285469
It would be cool if they gave us a variety of helmets so we could use the ones we like the most.

>>53278860
No he wasn't, he was a normal enclave officer that got horribly mutated after exposure to the vats. He has more in common with Ogryn albeit he's a much smarter mutant.

>>53285478
Wow those were really fucking hideous, huh?

>>53285474
What good is "the best" if you can't keep it operation in real world conditions? MkIV production came to a halt during the Heresy because they didn't have the resources for it, which is why they had to make the shitty MkV to keep Marines suited up.

MkVI was already being worked on as the basis of the next type of power armour when shit hit the fan, leaving the project halfway complete. The MkVII is basically the completion of that project.

>Mk VIII improving on it by adding the gorget

This meme and anyone who keeps spreading it like "Leman Russ is a tractor" and "Baneblade is a light tank" need to just fucking die.

MkVIII includes way more than a mere gorget.

>>53285521
>This meme and anyone who keeps spreading it like "Leman Russ is a tractor" and "Baneblade is a light tank" need to just fucking die.
>MkVIII includes way more than a mere gorget.
Calm down anon I didn't say that it only added the gorget holy shit, I was just remarking on how that addition makes sense given the fact that the aquila mouth-grill was pointed out as being a nonsensical weakpoint in a previous post.

>>53285474
The mk7 isn't an inferior design armor wise.
MAYBE it is sensor wise in the helmet but that's it.
However, everything else is better or on par with the mk4. And then, as you said, mk8 came in and made improvements on that.
Mk10 was started near the HH, it makes sense that some parts like the helmet would be like mk4. But it also keep all the improvements that came after it.

I like the mk10 helmet, even if it's not thay different, but I'm sure we'll see different patterns for the helmet anyway.

>>53279024
Fuck off Arch.

>>53285530
The gorget wasn't added because of the grill, but to stop shots from ricocheting under the helmet. Shot trap and all that good stuff.

They didn't see any need for a gorget on the MkV or earlier suits with the Sarum pattern helmets, and for example the Ashen Circle got gorgets even though they got MkII armour.

>>53285588
In any case, Mk10 is looking pretty good, and it seems they are heading towards a specialised version of armours, with Intercessor having a very specific armour, Tacticus. I presume other roles will have armours that more of less differ from that.

>>53279260
Current tactical squad x3 is $135 for 30 dudes and these primaris are larger and new so that's actually a great deal. If gw is kind enough to do that I'll be very happy, perhaps it's part of their plan to get a lot of these new guys out there on tables. Every time you see them on tabletop it drives another nail in the old marines being cool. That means more sales of new guys and old marines don't get resold.
All new marine kits from now on will be primaris scale. Whatever lore needs to be written to justify that will come too. Eventually they will even redo the heroes and special characters of all chapters like Dante, tycho, etc.

>>53279638
Many keks


Although I think only horseshoe crabs have blue blood due to copper hemocyanin instead of iron hemoglobin.

>>53278596
And Rowboat mostly likely sat out the siege of terra so that he could see who won and join on their side.
>emprah won? guess who has been a good and loyal boy and don't become a daemon worshiper
>horus won? sup brah, i totes had a revelation while on my here and now worship chaos

>>53285409
>Which isn't an issue because the Marine range is already full
Yeah, like Empire in AoS (just most obvious example).
>with Primaris having an edge in melee but sucking in shooting which is the reverse for standard tacs.
>implying Primaris wouldn't get new shooting units

>They look fucking nothing like Centurions,
Proportion-wise you are right, but plates design is almost the same.
>These are NO DIFFERENT in term of level of detail.
Yes, but they are larger.
>Complex rules are objectively bad
Says who?
>8e is not nearly as simple as AOS as it still has weapon strength, the only major change is to BS/WS.
Nad morale system and special rules system etc etc
>Except they were neither created or trained by the Ultramarines.
They were created on Mars, which means they are under Gulliman approval and control.

>>53285617
I don't think they'll redo the old heroes with the new scale.
I mean, they still havr to maintain a certain status quo. They'll probably oush out some Primarines heroes, but after that the fluff will still be the same.

>>53285409
>Complex rules are objectively bad as they lead to games that take fucking hours if only thanks to redundant USR bullshit.
Sure, let's just spread all the USRs to each datasheet/codex and give them different (cheesier) names. USR bloat only affects new players, and even then it only takes a dozen of games to learn all the important BRB rules even if you don't put any effort into learning

>>53285125
>How do you think people would react if GW said "All right, we're redoing the whole range, those are your new Space Marines, old ones will soon be discontinued and won't be supported!"
The same way they did the last three times they dramatically updated the space marine miniatures line?

Deciding to keep marines and big marines distinct from a rules and story perspective is definitely the worst option they could have taken.

>>53285732
>USR bloat only affects new players, and even then it only takes a dozen of games to learn all the important BRB rules even if you don't put any effort into learning
That's the point, they want to make way to win through knowing the game is impossible, because now ever unit will have his OWN special rules.

>>53285747
>The same way they did the last three times they dramatically updated the space marine miniatures line?

Nice b8 m8.

>Tyranids get newer and bigger units all the time and no-one spergs out

>Marines get Centurions and no-one bins their regular marines

>Marines get drop pods but people keep using rhinos because they serve different purposes
>Primaris MaridjdjwHRGEGKAKFUCKING GW RUINS YET ANOTHER THING

>>53285940
>implying Primaris marines will be just a one unit

>>53277965
>Tactical marines will still have a solid foundation in army lists because they are flexible units,
outside of unlocking free vehicles, Tacs never had a solid foundation in the crunch

>>53278242
>MY NEW GUYS ARE EVEN COOLER THAN YOUR COOL GUYS
that is the business model, faggot

>>53285435
>mk3 and mk2 hipster shit
>instead of glorious mk4
>instead of clean and tidy mk7 and mk8

>>53278242
Autist detected

>>53278873
This post right here. They look nice with the exception of the "hip plates", but this was a horrible move story wise

>>53278427
Then change the helmet.

>>53286187
>never
>8e not out yet
Kys fgt

Thanks OP for Correcting The Record!

>>53285940
In the same line of thought, primaris marines are to normal marines what necron immortals are to warriors. Somehow I doubt many people lost their shit when immortals were released.

>>53277965
they look shit,dat fucking stupid longer extruded bolter,just to fit the new size, they used the 3d prototype of the fucking sigmarines to make this?

>MY GUYS ARE BETTER THAN YOUR GUYS
>FUCK YOU

This setting is utter shit. When everything exists to fellate one poster boy faction nothing retains any impact or meaning. Trying to justify this with bullshit about how ever evolving gene seed is, is tenuous at best. Let's see this for what it is; a cash grab aimed that adds nothing to the setting yet ANOTHER form of DA BEST OF DA BEST OF DA BEST OF DA BESTEST.

>>53278350
What's this codex you speak of?

>>53279066
>lorewise the Emperor could produce stronger SM, a.k.a thunderwarriors
This has always been extremely stupid anyway. There is no logic in SM not being stronger than TW but they aren't because GW wants its shitty 30k universe to be full of special snowflakes.

>>53287050
The whole shtick of the Thunder Warriors is that they're stronger but far more unstable both physically and mentally, more like clever Ogryns than Space Marines.

>>53277965
Wait, these are actually something different in the lore? I thought PP just decided to make non-shit SM models.

So these guys will be usable in any Chapter, probably just using their Chapter Tactic or equivalent.

But what about Deathwatch ? Think they'll get them too ? Kinda pointless unless they also get special ammo.

>>53286519

that isnt a very good example, lets put aside the fact that necrons and even their tomb worlds have the personality of a rock, immortals have no extra focus placed on them over warriors

better example, GW introduces scions and declares they will be the focus of Imperial Guard moving forward. they stop making other dudes (cadians/catachans except for limited releases). Also all IG vehicles will be remade. That would piss people off just like this primaris thing.

Am I the only one amused by the fact that GW told us in the FAQ to buy more models in preparation for 8th...then released a new model people looking for a better troops tax than scouts or tacticals might have wanted?

>meanwhile I bought a squad of guardsmen and a chimera knowing neither could ever go out of style without destroying the guard as a faction
Imperial Guard: sometimes it's nice to not be noticed!

>>53287638
>>meanwhile I bought a squad of guardsmen and a chimera knowing neither could ever go out of style without destroying the guard as a faction

My main army in 40k is IG so I've been giving this a lot of thought, how can GW force IG players to rebuy their entire armies? As much as I'd like to think GW will sell Leman Russes and Chimeras forever, I think one day IG will lose the treads and rivets and tracks and become a futuristic army ala Tau/Eldar.

And the new futuristic skimmer Leman Russ replacement will be called Robute Guilliman Main Battle Tank

>>53285699
Disagree. Thousand sons, death watch, death guard, and now primaris are all new scale. All marine releases from here on out will be new tall scale.

>>53287050
I thought the idea was that thunder warriors were essentially savage barbarians. Hopped up on drugs, radical and unstable gene mutation, and an unhealthy appetite for destruction they scoured the earth. Too unpredictable and uncivilized for life in unified Terra, they were exterminated when they outlived their usefulness. Of course some chapters hit pretty close to that archetype themselves but I guess they're more able to be controlled. The thunder warriors were attack dogs and had to be put down.

>>53287697
The leman russ is a shit tank anyway compared to modern tanks. I demand that we get a modern main battle tank that doesnt move slow and has sensible armor angles.

>>53287697
No they certainly won't replace the russ. They might resculpt it with a cooler design, and they will probably resculpt the cadian plastics at some point, but the guard are the "20th century earth" army. It will always need to be that.

>>53278918
The biologus maintains the gene seed stockpiles and is responsible for producing new foundings as well experimentation.

>>53279354

They'll release the gods one at a time just like they have been doing in sigmar. Only difference is Nurgle came first this time instead of khorn.

>>53287807

>The leman russ is a shit tank anyway compared to modern tanks

This meme needs to die already.
Leman russ is good, anyone that says otherwise is a heretic.

>>53278420
I want one too! I want a (you) from a true venerable oldfag, so smart, so great, so handsome like you!

The primaris marines become the new standard marine

GW releases new Primaris marines that are each dreadknight size

>>53277965
Get outta here with your reason and logic, tg is strictly for bitching about stuff for the sake of bitching

>mfw I'm tempted to buy so many of those guys that I'll make GW run all by myself
>mfw no face

>>53285732
USR bloat affects everybody, not everybody is just dicking around with a single codex, I've got to use three fucking books just for one army. Four actually because I've got a knight. Keeping track of those rules is a nightmare and it means there is NO GAME where either I or my opponent remembers all the rules. Because of the retarded size of 40k's rules, it means that somebody will always forget something in a game, and it might cost them the game. The game needs to be simpler if so simply so I don't feel like I'm still in college, lugging around an assload of books around in a backpack and hoping I remember everything this time.

>>53279024
This is literally why Cawl had to wait for gulliman to wake up before revealing Primaris marines

Marines becoming more like "Movie Marines" is a good thing, as are Marine models not being so damn small. The fluff is, however, utterly retarded.

This is a key distinction to make.

>>53286519
>I doubt many people lost their shit when immortals were released
because unlike primaris marines, necron immortals were part of the very first necron release ever

>>53288029
Honestly I'm not sure why they didn't just say fuck it and make them the standard marines. Any potential backlash would be drowned out by the amount of people throwing money at them, just like when the marines/rhino/landraider/dreadnought/etc got updated in 3e.

>>53277965

Your nose looks a bit greasy with Games Workshops shit stains all over it mate.

>>53277992

>"What are we doing today Brother Captain George?"
>"We're going to kill more xenos Brother Clem."
>"I like killing Xenos!"
>"I know you do. Clem."

>>53287697
Putting out non-Cadian plastics.

>>53281526
I smiled

>>53287943
A t-90 can shoot anti tank missiles and every tank has optics more advanced than 40k tech which is fucking sad.

Every modern main battletank has a lower profile along with a modern tread design instead of that shitty ww1 design used by every imperial tank. Making maintenance on treads a goddamn bitch for imperial crews.

The inside of a leman russ is unfriendly for the crew's survival and they cant even communicate verbally because it's loud. Some tanks have autoloaders which you dont even see in a leman russ.

The profile of a leman russ is also too fucking tall. It would get picked off easily in a real fight against modern tanks.

It is also too slow compared to the challenger or abrams which can outrun it on rugged terrain.

The only thing redeemable about the leman russ is the engine is quite versatile, but thats easy to stick in a more modern design.

When it comes to the amoint of firepower a russ with sponsons has that can be matched by goving a modern tank remote controlled guns on top of the turret and anti personnel mine launchers.

>>53288448
>A t-90 can shoot anti tank missiles and every tank has optics more advanced than 40k tech which is fucking sad.
not when you realize all warhammer tech of note is pretty much just based on what the public was aware of in the 80's

And back during the cold war, accurate information on soviet/NATO tech was pretty much impossible to find. Especially since the internet as we know it wasn't around.

>>53288371

Won't really force anyone to rebuy their guardsmen unless GW outright said lorewise these guys are the new imperial army, which I think is doubtful but who knows with the New Games Workshop™.

This space marine true scale issue really created a problem unique to SM models.

>>53288496
You are correct, but it wouldnt be out of place for GW to release a new modern tank model and say that a lost stc was found that gave the imperium tanks with improved armor, engines, and weapons.

>>53288448
>A t-90 can shoot anti tank missiles

What do you think hunter-killer missiles are? And are you saying the ability to fire missile is advanced? Does that mean all the MBTs that don't fire missiles, are less advanced?

>and every tank has optics more advanced than 40k tech

Based on what? Russes have range finders, auto-loaders, warning systems, etc.

>>53288572
It certainly wouldn't, but that'd be real dumb to me. 40k as a setting is based in anachronism, even if much of it is lost on the modern audience.

>>53288448
>matched by goving a modern tank
No it can't.

>“When it fired, the breech of the main gun hurtled back into the turret space with one hundred and ninety tonnes of recoil force.” / Honor Guard, p.182

That puts the Conqueror cannon in the ballpark of around four gigajoules of force, and even the Leman Russ battlecannon is some crazy shit like 200mm or 300mm by all its depictions and has armor able to survive shots from multimeltas (also unleashing gigajoules of energy, albeit thermally not kinetically) and hundreds of megajoules of kinetic energy.

>“Re-laying the gun took a vital second. In that time, the second tank fired again and hit the Wrath squarely. The impact was enough to lurch all sixty-two tonnes of armoured machine several metres sideways. But it didn’t penetrate the twenty centimetre-thick armour skin. Inside, the crew were dazed and they’d lost most of the forward scopes.” / Honor Guard, p.174

The Abrams could hit the Leman Russ on its side armor with a KE Sabot and it would probably just bounce off or only dent it. And this isn't counting shit like Lascannon Sponsons, which can one-shot any vehicle made by real humans. Same with Plasma Cannons. Even Heavy Bolter sponsons would be a real problem for modern tanks considering that normal bolters penetrate 8 inches of plasteel (the armor the Leman Russ is made out of), the heavy bolter is even more powerful and harder hitting, and are fully automatic with belts of 100+ rounds. That'll be a really shitty day for any Abrams crew as the front armor is being gobbled up by a fusillade of 25mm HEAP fire, desperately trying to avoid the behemoth cannon on a leman russ, and their guns don't even mission kill it.

>>53288448

>A t-90 can shoot anti tank missiles

What is hunter killer missile?

> every tank has optics more advanced than 40k tech

citation?

> they cant even communicate verbally because it's loud

Same as every tank since ww1 to modern era, thats why you use headsets designed for that in tanks. Every tank is loud and every tank crew , even poor slavs in a t-34 used those.

>autoloaders which you dont even see in a leman russ.

I believe LR had autoloaders, it should be in the only war rulebook if i am not mistaken.


>When it comes to the amoint of firepower a russ with sponsons has that can be matched by goving a modern tank remote controlled guns on top of the turret and anti personnel mine launchers.

Ehh, just no.
We dont have any way to compare the firepowers, but considering lr has access to plasma cannons and lascannons i dont think you can really compete with that.

>>53279832
They should scrap mutilators and give oblits thier weapon options

Also oblits should be T5 again

>>53288582
The hunter-killer missile is single shot in that you have to reload it while outside the tank. The T-64, T-72, T-80, and T-90 could fire missiles from their barrell. Meaning the crew could reload from the inside. In terms of that a MBT could be considered more advanced. However i do recognize that the russ also has various main armaments that it can use as demonstrated by their different patterns. Therefore a bad example on my part.

As for optics has it been shown that russes have any advanced electronics that allowed for targeting by using infared? A T-90 comes with infared spotlights that it uses to blind the enemy or mess with anyone looking at it in ir.

A tank like the abrams has a computer that aids the crew by performing all the calculations for shooting at targets.

>>53288607
Well yes the weapons would destroy anything modern vehicle we have, but what I was trying to communicate was if you gave the same materials and weapons to a modern design I believe the Imperium would be kicking even more ass.

>>53288762
Missile launching mbts are not that big of a thing in modern combat currently desu.

Only russian models have them afaik, abrahams,challanger, leopard 2 dont have it.

>>53288762
For optics I was using lexicanum http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Battle_Tank#Overview

As other anons have said a leman russ has laser rangefinders, but it also has other electronics such as the auspex.

The auspex works like radar in that its used for detecting enemy units and terrain, but it can also detect it seems everything in the electromagnetic spectrum. Movement and radiation are detected by the device but I dont know what the maximum range is for the auspex.

A leman russ also comes with a crosswind indicator which helps the crew aim at targets from a distance. Therefore the leman russ does have a fire control system.

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>>53277965

You space marine players will lap this filth up like you do every time a new codex is released. New tactical marine box? New assault marines and they added a single new sword? What about all the fucking chapter specific kits, characters, and add on blisters of 10 fucking shoulder pads and a banner. That's not even mentioning the forge world shite which, oh yeah, has been churning out 40k and 30k conflict materials. Remember when Imperial Armour was what it said on the fucking tin? Literally fun imperial vehicles you could add to your collection, rather than the space marine slog fest it is today.
>Warhammer forge died for you faggots.
>seriously, there was going to be a third Warhammer forge book based around the fifth battle for black fire pass, better just throw that in the trash and release more space marines.

You are the cancer that killed Warhammer Fantasy battles, so that the good guys could have some "big dudes".

You are the fucking disease that prevents this hobby from evolving past sales.

They Were going to Age of Shitmar 40k, but they couldn't risk it considering how fucking badly that went for the fantasy fan base. Hell, they already sell Warhammer as cheap fucking toys with that Battle of Vedros shit, and you know what? Normies aren't interested.

>no one is better than the emperor's finest

Well you know what? You're not the emperors finest any more. Your chunk marinelets may as well sit in their boxes unassembled and I painted forever, because GW is never going to update them again. Hell, you need only look at the "made to order" shit to see your destiny.

The end has come, and it has come for you. You grimdark, LE HERESEY BLAM, pauldron wearing, panzee ass beakie motherfuckers.

Bin your armies, they are worthless

>Yeah, we have Space Marines
>But what about Space Marine, Space Marines?

>>53278694
Thats the custodians

>>53288762
Why are you so obsessed with tank gun launched missiles? They're awful and no respectable military uses them in a modern tank. They exist to give old shitty soviet tanks the ability to use more modern anti tank munitions because their guns are so bad they're useless. When your gun is too shitty to fire modern rounds you can use it as a launching tube for a missile which moves much slower with less energy than a traditional round has.

>>53289271
A t-14 Armata can engage a target 8 kilometers away by using its ATGM that's why they're viable.

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>>53289147
>Your chunk marinelets may as well sit in their boxes unassembled and I painted forever, because GW is never going to update them again. Hell, you need only look at the "made to order" shit to see your destiny.

Stop, damn you.

>>53289147
Are you so retarded that you can't understand why people find new sculpts with better posing potential get fans of said material excited? Of fucking course I'm going to buy more marine material, because I like marines and I'm a hobbyist first. More pliable material is better for me, and these new mega marines are going to be a goldmine for conversions.

Why don't you go sit in a corner and attempt to extract that cactus wedged up your rectum so you can enjoy things instead of being a perpetually depressed and angry fag?

>>53289966
It's just a copy pasta anon don't bite the hook

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People thinking updated larger Space Marines are something new and sperging out everywhere.

>>53279638
Thanks for the laughs, Anon.

>>53290418
Shhhhh theyre just kids with inferiority complex problems.

>>53291103
Does GW just BREED its fans from pods or something?

The point is that a size increase wouldn't require some BS plot justification and a bunch of new models to buy.

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My biggest problem is that it's going to be nothing but Mk X from now on. Before I could have every marine in my army be a unique combination of armor pieces. If every marine is a NuMarine from now on it'll look like an army of the same dude in different poses. If they start making older marks in the new scale I'll jump for joy. But I doubt it.

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>>53291250
I have compiled a quick list of models released in the past that did not originally exist in fluff until their models were released:

Stormhawk, Stormtalon, Stormraven, Centurions, Baal Predator, Ravenwing Dark Talon, Ravenwing Darkshroud, Land Speeder Vengeance, Nephilim Jetfighter, most of the Grey Knights line, Stormfang Gunship, Stormwolf, Chaos Space Marine Raptors & Warp Talons, Obliterators, Mutilators, Forgefiend, Maulerfiend, Heldrake, Defiler, Soul Grinder, Seeker Chariot, Plague Drones, Gorka/Morkanauts, Killa Kanz, Autarchs, Triumvirate of Ynnead, the entirety of the Dark Eldar range, the entirety of the Necron range, the entirety of the Tau range, Swarmlord, Toxicrene, Tyrant/Hive Guard, Tyrannocyte, Raveners.

This list may not have caught everything. None of them "require some BS plot justification and a bunch of new models to buy."

The game has evolved and continues to do so. You problem is not with Primaris Marines. Your problem is change. Learn to deal with it without crying or move on.

>>53293008
>Your problem is change

/tg/ confirmed for Cult of Nurgle