http://www.themillions.com/2017/05/ dragons-are-for-white-ki

>>53266282
You're only doing his work for him by posting his shit.
Every time you ignore them, it's another victory for sanity.

>>53266282
Old clickbait is old. We have analyzed and dismissed this dross

>>53266282
Ok, OP, could you just screencap the text next time? Won't click the link for hell.

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>posting the actual link to the article

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(you)

>>53266298
>if you ignore cancer it will go away

You have to find the tumor then cut it out. Ignoring it only let's it grow. People ignoring SJWs is why things got as bad as it did before the pushback became more open.

>expensive, indulgent hobbies are dominated by the class of people who have the most disposable income and time
I mean I thought that was the whole point of creating massive systems of economic inequality in the first place. It's why "geek" or "nerd" culture in general is predominant across the global north.

>>53266354
>>53266375
Please stop trying to force a discussion out of this.

>dragons are for white kids
I hope some chinese people feel insulted.

>>53266354
"Give him publicity and bump the thread please!"
You're clearly either OP or a newfag; either way you obviously don't know how things work around here.
Or for that matter, how things work in the real world either.

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Have a (You) on the house, spammer.

>>53266282
Just took a quick peek and it's on the money, though it's not exactly a revelation. Geek culture and gaming has historically been mostly a thing for white dudes for a bunch of reasons, and as a result it can be both thoughtless (not considering people may want to paint there minis with different skin tones) and sensitive to matters that don't apply to the majority.

It also says that things are changing as the demographics change, which they are. I don't see why this would be considered some controversial statement.

>>53266400
Title is dumb. The post is about gaming/related stuff in general.

>>53266282
Jesus christ.

>My identity is purely built around my race and all interactions with other people, and even concepts, is filtered through my lens.
>I am so shallow and devoid of personality that I am a person of color first and everything else second.
>How dare you expect the same things out of me that you expect out of other people, don;t you know I am merely a BLACK???

>>53266440
people are worried that they can no longer make sand nigger jokes in public

>>53266477
Which is foolish of course, sand nigger jokes will always be funny.

>>53266282
>and most of them pretend that Octavia Butler didn’t write “real” SF or that Ted Chiang is “just ok.”

I actually don't like Ted Chiang. I don't even think he is okay. Also this whole article is shit.

>>53266282
>no archive link
The fuck is wrong with you OP?

>>53266440
Please, kill yourself, OP.

>>53266599
Imagine caring this much about not giving someone a fraction of a cent in ad revenue.

>>53266617
Fuck off OP.

>>53266617
Its the principle of the thing.
>lets give this blatant clickbait the clicks the author wants!
I've always considered the amount of blame put on shills in places like /v/ and /pol/ to be excessive but OP's like you make me wonder...

>>53266639
Is there ever an article that an author doesn't want people to click on? Do you refuse to read anything on the internet because of this?

>>53266687
OP, please, give up already. It's unsightly to see you keep trying like this.

>>53266737
I'm not even OP, not that such a claim amounts to much on an anonymous image board.

It is fun to see stuff like >>53266630 though.

>>53266687
There's a difference between making an article with actual merit, and an article that is intentionally made to spark controversy for clicks.

The goal of the first one can be to educate, for example. Clicking is just how it spreads. The second one's only merit is in how many clicks it gets for the author.

>>53266753
OP, please. You're embarrassing yourself.

But, you're just baiting for more replies so you can bump your shit thread, so here's one last "You're not fooling anyone, please kill yourself."

>>53266776
Don't respond to trolls anymore.

>>53266687
Usually an article you read has some value to it, whether its informative or insightful or newsworthy. But clickbait like this cares only about the revenue and seeks to maximize it by using shocking headlines or controversial, hyper-partisan ideological bullshit designed to be posted to places like here by unwitting carriers like OP to harvest clicks.

Congratulations to OP for being Typhoid fucking Mary

>>53266776
I hardly think the author is trying to stir up controversy. He's hardly saying anything new, but it's a reasonable 101 for the issues gaming has with racial minorities.

>>53266789
Given the sort of shit that people who write these articles get from internet pissbabies I highly doubt they want their work posted on 4chan.

>>53266780
I'm not the one replying to a thread they want to see disappear off the board, anon.

>>53266282

http://www.theonion.com/article/new-study-finds-blacks-more-likely-18552
CAMBRIDGE, MA—A Harvard University study of more than 2,500 middle-income African-American families found that, when compared to other ethnic groups in the same income bracket, blacks were up to 23 percent more likely. "Our data would seem to discredit the notion that black Americans are less likely," said head researcher Russell Waterstone, noting the study also found that women of African descent were no more or less prone than Latinas. "In fact, over the past several decades, we've seen the African-American community nearly triple in probability." The study noted that, furthermore, Asian-Americans.

>>53266789
Don't reply anymore. This is all common knowledge, OP is just feigning being ignorant.

Or he's really that dumb, at which point, no education will work on him.

>>53266354
>You have to find the tumor then cut it out.
Because surely if we whine hard enough it will disappear?

>>53266831
>falling for easy bait

You retard.

>>53266811
Can you not read? Of course they want their work posted on 4chan, then outraged suckers follow the link back to the site. Boom. Instant ad revenue. This is how the entire business model works.

>>53266849
I'm convinced now you are just OP arguing with himself, because no one could genuinely be so stupid as to keep replying to retarded bait like this.

With that said, that's enough +1's from me as well.

>>53266840
k
Oh look i bumped it again.

>>53266849
I'm guessing you don't normally read these articles, or follow the people who write them? They're not usually the sort who are hyper concerned with ad revenue, nor the sort of people who want an internet hatemob shutting down their online life (and occasionally spilling over into their offline life as well).

>>53266863
Anon has achieved wisdom and transcended from this thread.

>>53266354

Yes, this is true.

A lack of resistance is what allowed this cancer to spread. When you read something like this and mock them, you undermine them, and you alert more people to the danger.

I do my best to help where I can. For instance, as a DM, I don't run games for SJWs. Like, any clear liberal sympathies, and you'll get a quiet "I'm sorry, but you should find another group" from me.

>>53266282

Don't give them hits.

Use this link instead:

> http://archive.is/ILz1e

Can't you all stop shitposting and allow the mods to sleep?
This shit has been deleted enough times alreadym

>>53266932
D'aww that's cute, anon doesn't want to have to question his political beliefs.

>>53266968

> Not having the strength of your convictions

Life's too short to argue with idiots.

>>53266354
>Before the pushback came
Nigga the sjws came after the internet list its shit over some dumb articles and shined a fucking spot light on the sjws. If you guys Has left that alone non of this would have hapenned. If you idiota see a dpg turd on the streetball do you start jumping on IT too?

>>53267001

Isn't it more like the opposite? When no-one said anything about them, they got entrenched. People only began to mount an effective resistance recently, and even then it was almost too late. Gamergate, Brexit and Trump have given us a breathing space, but they're but a reprieve: Something must be done.

>>53267015
>>53266354

Basically this. What we needed to do is to get together and go "These people have to be discredited, shamed and driven to suicide. And we have the numbers to do it."

Their every failing has to be highlight and exposed for all time, and they have to be mercilessly mocked. If we can't physically murder them, we have to shame them into retreat.

>>53267044
You have to be 18 to post on this site, buddy

>>53267044
>>53266932
You are going too hard with the satire (or not hard enough, I guess).

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>>53266953

That person sounds tremendously unpleasant to be around. probably the sort of person who just acts like a massive cunt and if anyone says anything he tries to turn it into a race issue.

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>>53267015
Wait you actually unironically view donald trump as a positive and not just in the sense that he's funny to watch?

>>53267015
No. Tumblr and other shit like that only got aby power because they hot draged into the mainstream and made victims. If that never happened this would not have spread because no one aside from the biggest retards would know about Tumblr feminisms and no one would take idpol as anything note than a sociological thought expperiment

>>53267069

Donald Trump is a molotov cocktail in the face of the enemy. I mean, let's face it, the world is fucked anyway. I voted Trump because better our evil empire than theirs.

>>53267069

DORNAD BLUMPTH HAD TWO SCOOPS REEE

>>53267044

Then.
>This community hates us!
>No we don't.
>I think you do.

Now.
>This community hates us!
>[Autistic Screeching]
>[Autistic Rally]

Then again, sarcasm is hard to see through in here.

>>53267061

I'm not being ironic. I fought at Berkley, and I helped unmask and take photographs of antifa who were downed in the fighting, so they could be identified.

I mean, I'm just doing my part.

>>53266953
>http://archive.is/ILz1e

Thank you anon. Don't forget to sage, kids.

>>53267102

> I helped unmask and take photographs of antifa who were downed in the fighting, so they could be identified.

You're doing god's work, anon.

>>53267080
>better we risk a nuclear war and have security breaches left and right than have butthurt SJWs screeching at us
Full retard confirmed

>>53267102
>Drinking the coolaid and taking part in the culture war this much.

>>53267135

Hey, to be fair: I thought Trump was the anti-war candidate, while Hillary was the one who wanted to escalate things with Russia. I was hoping that with Trump, America and Russia would have closer ties and eventually form an unstoppable economic bloc.

How was I to know that the Democrats would keep pursuing the Russia thing?

>>53267135
>risk war
>security breaches
Wow, so things Hillary had already done then?

>>53267164
You drank the kool-aid. Congratulations.
as a Britfag I'm well aware we're equally retarded considering we're still poised to commit economic suicide, but still

>>53267164
The ultimate truth: people will cut their own dick off rather than accommodate The Other.

>>53267187
Using the wrong email address != giving Russia classified information because you're too retarded to keep your trap shut

>>53267188

Well, you have to pick something. I mean, I don't believe the Hillary conspiracy theories and so on (I believe she's no dirtier than any other politician) but I just don't like what Hillary represents.

Clearly, many people thought the same.

>>53267187
"When Trump does it, it's okay"

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What system would be best to run a game about retarded Americans beating each other up over political disagreements?

>>53267187
>We are only as retarded as they are.
Ok.
>>53267213
Fiasco, I think or ORE with 100 points.

>>53267213

I don't know, but I know it'd have something to do with Metal Wolf Chaos.

>>53267207
Well, congratulations. Loads of people don't like how the EU was represented either, that's why this little island is fucked.
But it's okay cuz we got are cuntree back innit

>>53267213
Call of Cthulhu. You're fighting against an inhuman, alien entity that will destroy your whole way of life and is a threat that nobody believes to exist.

>>53267232
>anon fails his sanity check

>>53267230

To be blunt, it's worth it. Your country is for, well, YOU. It's not for rapists and aliens. Like, something you have to cut off an arm to free yourself from a bear-trap.

>>53267199
>using an unsecured email server to store classified data
>not a big deal
t. Doesn't know shit about classified data

>>53267245
>rapists and aliens
>most of the people the ignorant cunts were crying about weren't EU nationals to begin with
It's more cutting off your nose to spite your face, tardo, go back to stormfront. My best mate in primary school was a fucking Paki, I've no problem with them. If someone commits a crime lock 'em up, don't stick xenophobia into it

>>53267245

>refugees fleeing a war we started are all rapists

You people are disgusting.

>>53267245
You do realize that the uk was specifically excempt from the eu refugee mandate right?

And that the government (pro-brexit) report specifically acknowledged that the idea of the EU taking away sovereignty was retarded?

And that every EU law also had to pass through UK parliament?

Yeah thought not. Literally no advantage to brexit.

>>53267245
>Cut off a arm
More like a arm and a leg. Face it mate, the UK fucked up big time. All you can Hope for now IS that you get to start in the single market

>>53267277
Except the vast majority of them arent even from Syria.

>>53267277
>everyone flooding the West is a refugee

2015 wants its narrative back

>>53267282
We'll be minted once our jam and tea cake industry reaches the global market.

>>53267277

It's us or them. We should have taken steps to actively sink the boats from day one. The moment Merkel opened her fat trap, I was thinking "Boy, we're all fucked unless we take drastic measures."

Well, I won't pretend to be surprised, and I won't pretend to be happy with the result. I honestly do not care if all those people die, because we cannot afford to let them in. Most of them aren't even Syrian, for pity's sake. They're just filthy opportunists who deserve to drown.

>>53267285

Why not at least link some breitbart articles to back your lies up?

>>53267302
Don't tell me you haven't seen all these pictures of boats full of very, very dark skinned "syrians".

>>53267301
>actively sink the boats
>let's murder unarmed people because they're foreign!
Please, fucking kill yourself and leave your possessions to someone more deserving.

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>>53267301
>we should commit active genocide because people are running from a war we started and I'm scared of them

>>53267232
Seeing as following political news /discourse erodes sanity and any belief in the good of man, I agree.

>>53266298
>implying these threads aren't the closest OP can get to "playing RPGs with friends"

>>53266322
this

>>53267245
This country has successfully integrated every group that has arrived on its shores and been better for it.

We don't get constant terrorist attacks like the French, because we're not antagonistic cunts that ban religious paraphernalia, and we don't get rapists like the Germans because we're capable of integrating people into British society (we also don't get angry displaced hordes of people that were looking to get into Britain, because, well, if they got in they got in).

why are you taking the /pol/ bait /tg/

this entire thread is OP baiting and playing a retard

>>53267321

Obviously. Like, if my neighbor's dog shits on his doorstep, I don't care. If he shits on my table, in my house? We have a problem now.

>>53267322
Boy, don't I know it. Hoping for 2018 to be the year of sudden and utter oblivion.>>53267326

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>>53267333

>muh pool buggyman

>>53267332
It's amusing how indian food became a nationality food for a nationality already living there

>>53267334
If your neighbor's dog crosses the road towards your house you'd better be ready to shoot that fucking thing the second it steps on your yard, it might have rabies.

>>53267333
People are bored and enjoy typing screeds at other anonymous people.

Also, everyone is invested in politics, no matter how much they tell themselves they aren't.

>>53267333
Telling retards that they're retards isn't 'taking the bait'.

>>53267343
not a bogeyman if it's a common sight

>>53267302
No breitbart links senpai, how about the telegraph though?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12123684/Six-in-ten-migrants-not-entitled-to-asylum-says-EU-chief.html

>>53267332
This.
I live with a kosher butcher and deli across the street. If I walk five minutes or so I'm in one of the biggest Middle Eastern communities in the north. We have had zero problems.

>>53267326
okay, this is pretty spot on

carry on I guess

>>53267282
Also, it was the wrong arm.
>>53267301
>It's us or them.
Unless you are British, then you just stabbed yourself in the foot with a 14cm knife.
>>53267333
It looks like bar discussion, it's not like anyone is actually discussing.
We are more or less waiting for the mods to wake up.
>>53267334
>>53267345
Cops get out.

>>53267343

The really stupid thing is, this is exactly what drives people into the arms of /pol/.

I'm pro-abortion. I'm anti-gun. I'm for the rights for women. BUT I'm anti-refugee, and I don't like homosexuality being promoted as a lifestyle.

I consider myself a liberal, but according to mainstream views, I'm a fascist! I mean, since I can't reconcile my views with the Left, I actually find the Right more palatable, so this means I'm Right by default!

>>53267332
>we dont get rapists like the Germans
....Did you just forget shit like Rothram?

>>53267373
>homosexuality is a lifestyle
Go tell that to the "ex-gays" who kill themselves. Oh wait you can't.

>>53267373
>I think women should vote so im a liberal
>just so long as the faggots dont get too loud

Ok ezekiel

>>53267373
>Im called a fascists
Stop reading clickbait articles writen by tym tumblerinas. Most people dont think that do go outside

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>>53267373
>I'm pro-abortion. I'm anti-gun.

Got to stop those murders am I right? How many children have to die? How many innocent lives need to be snuffed out before they've had a chance to blossom before those gun nerds get it.

>>53267388

What, I can't say that I dislike homosexuals? I also find transsexuals disgusting, because these people are mutilating themselves in the name of mental illness.

I'm saying that I can't accept ALL the views of the liberal Left.

>>53267380
It'd be nice if you learned how to spell it. And no, Rotherham was local scumbags and mismanagement on the part of the cops and council.

>>53267402
All, every single one.

>>53267385
Well, assuming he believes in the afterlife, he could just kill himself

>>53267373
It's the whiners you decide to listen to. You could easily flip that, if you read the stormfaggot tumblrs and told them "you are anti-gun and pro-choice" you'd be called a libtard.

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>>53267405

>Not wanting boipucci in 2017

Wrong board faggot.

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>>53267360
Das racist!

>>53267415

Fuck off, faggot.

>>53267402
Abortion is better than the alternative (tons of unwanted poor children, dead poor women from botched abortions). In a perfect world, we wouldn't need abortion. Alas, we live in this world.

>>53267269
>My best mate in primary school was a fucking Paki, I've no problem with them
That's cool, my worst classmate was an indian. I would still find him and murder him if I lived in anarchy.

anecdotal stories are worthless. All Indians should die.

>>53267405
Neither can I (I agree on trannies being insane) but you need to stop being a fucking idiot and realise who you have more in common with.
Traps are good, I draw the line at growing tits and chopping your cock off

>>53267429
inb4 poo in the loo

>>53267405
That's your perogative, but you cant really consider yourself any variety of liberal if you want legal measures in place to limit the actions of people acting non-harmfully in ways you find Kinda Gross.

There is more to politics than Liberal SJW vs Facist Stormween.

>>53267430

What, you mean the side that actively promotes the welfare of white heterosexual man? I mean, I'm literally the whitest guy you will ever meet. I'm about as white as Miracle Whip on Wonder Bread.

>>53267419

Cum in my slutty asshole daddy.

>>53266298
Ignoring them just lets them continue their subversion. University of Arizona would have a SJW stasi if their hadn't been a mass outcry when people found out.

>>53267277
If you want to be a good Samaritan. Send them to Israel then, Israel started that war. No other country should accept refugees, it's not their problem.

I don't and I would never accept some random dude in my house just because his house burned down. Not my problem, and I wouldn't risk my stuff going 'missing'

"Latino" is not an ethnic group, they're just Caucasians with a tan from garbage tier countries. I really wish they would stop pretending to be "people of color" to get oppression points.

>>53267438
Because those horrible darker people and faggots are really stepping on your rights, huh?

>>53267424
The alternative is people stop being retarded and use protection.

>>53266354
Unless you are his webmaster you can't cut shit.
Youre just feeding him pagewiew.

>>53267436
He didn't say he wanted fags beat to death if they were found, he just said he didn't want anti-family propaganda being broadcast.

Which is a rational position if you're a member of a society.

>>53267442
>Israel

The middle east as a geopolitical chess board predates the existance of israel.

You have superpowers playing games with the population of a region as a means of procuring influence over oil for 100 years, dont be surprised when it produces unhinged radical elements.

>>53267458
>people stop being retarded
Not even remotely possible. Offer a solution that isn't complete fantasy.

>>53267450

If you put it that way, why shouldn't I side with the 'home team'? I mean, I'm only really doing this because I'm a good person. From a strictly objective viewpoint, I do better under the Republicans and the alt-right, you know?

Good traditional games discussion

>>53267461
>allowing homosexual people to be portrayed
>anti-family propaganda

I find it unusual that cuckservatives are the group who oppose muslims the most, you have so much in common.

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>>53267461
>gay couples on TV are "anti-family" now

>>53267469
>fuck you, got mine
>this makes me a "good person"

>>53267466
According to Israelites, Israel predates all those countries though. Its the promised land.

>>53267458
>people stop being retarded

I'd like to refer you to "in a perfect world".

In a perfect world, we could be all perfect beings who never make mistakes. Alas, we are not. All we can do is limit the damage our mistakes do.

>>53267466
The Middle East has been filled with unhinged radical elements since before the Crusades. Its chief export is unhinged radical elements.

Theres something in the water that makes them crazy.

>>53267470
Politics is the most traditional game of them all.

>>53267468
forced sterilization?

>>53267472

The main reason to oppose Islam is because it's anti-West. If your side says "Everyone who isn't us should die" and the enemy says "Everyone who isn't us should die", you have mutually exclusive worldviews.

>>53267480
>The Middle East has been filled with unhinged radical elements since before the Crusades

So is/was the West. It's a human thing.

>>53267207
You do realize that in terms of numbers, Hillary won. Not to mention that Trump is a Russian puppet.

>>53267480
The middle east is the place where society began. During the crusades it was one of the most stable and swiftly-progressing parts of the world.

It wasn't much worse than anywhere else up until the ottoman empire collapsed after WWI.

>>53267499
>Hillary won

I was unaware that she was the president.

>>53267499
To be fair to that anon, that doesn't mean that there weren't many people who thought that way (and none of them knew/believed the russian ties).

>>53267499

Yeah, but Trump's President now. Coming in second in a two-horse race means absolutely nothing.

Hillary's finished, in every sense of the word. It's like saying "The guy who died was actually the better fighter." Gee, good for him, I guess? He's still dead and the other dude is pissing on his grave.

>>53267516
She would've been if you guys would drop the retarded electoral college.
But no, this would mean the states with the largest populations that'd be affected get to make the rules, and we can't have that

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>>53267499

>Hillary won

Where in California do you live?

>>53267499
>in terms of numbers
Sure if you ignore how our elections actually work then she won. Maybe she shouldn't have agreed to sign the TPP and lost the vote of most of our farmers.

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>>53267516
>>53267520
>>53267521
>many people thought the same as me
>actually more people voted otherwise
>I'm going to intentionally misconstrue the point

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This thread has nothing to do with traditional games anymore.

>>53267536

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying it no longer matters.

>>53267521
Welllll, how to tell you this, the republicans will have to work hardcore to win back all the support they will louse from trump. They won thenfoght but are in reall ranger od lousing the war

>>53267529
>all presidents would be chosen by California and New York
>all presidents would just pander to those two states
>this is fine

>>53267536

>many people thought the same as me
>actually more people voted otherwise

Do you not understand how this is not mutually exclusive?

If I was in the US I'd have voted Hillary because fuck Trump, but don't try to pretend like 40% of your country isn't retarded.

>>53267549
If those are the biggest population states, why wouldn't it be fine?

Are you supposed to represent the landmass or the people in it?

>>53267550
>I'd have voted Hillary because fuck Trump
Good reason m8

>>53267529
What is "tyranny of the majority" for 500? I really wish the electoral college had grown some balls and picked Rand Paul or someone else.

>>53267536
He didn't say the "majority" sided with him, shitposter.

>>53267549
>implying people don't go to California and NY from other states
>implying they don't feel anything for their folks back home

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>>53267521
Its funny because while trump won the presidency and hillary is finished, ultimately this election is going to be what the right wing look back on as the worst thing to have happened to them.

Trump is the least popular president in recorded history by every metric, assuming he even lasts 4 years he's going to be the sole cause of the single biggest pendulum swing in US history.

s'gonna be funny

>>53267498
We grew out of it. Islam needed a reformation-like event centuries ago and it never got it and we're surprised that Sunni and Shiites are still murdering each other daily?

>>53267512
And its prosperity during the middle ages doesnt change the fact that its been full of radicals and religious warfare since Mohammed sanctioned the murder of traders by his followers in Medina back in the day.

>>53267566

The pendulum swing has already happened. It was swinging left for the past few years, now it's back to the right.

>>53267533
>>53267534
In terms of numbers, on votes (The thing that counts) Trump won.

>>53267560
I could have expanded it to "fuck everything the man and the party behind it represents" but I assume you understood.

>>53267488
>forced sterilization?
Sounds good, you go first and we'll line up behind you.

>>53267568
Religious warfare is the state that the entire developing world spent itself in through virtually all of history up until the late renaissance, and even then it became political and ideological. Don't pretend like that's an asian thing.

>>53267566
Eh, a lot of the people that I know that voted for Trump didn't really like him anyways. I don't think him alone will be enough to push people into the Democrats arms. Not without the Dems actually examining why they lost and doing something about it.

>>53267591

You know, as a side note, we should have only taken female refugees and young girls. All the men should be sent home, hopefully to their deaths.

They want a better life? Then they should be happy that their families get it, while they fight for their country.

>>53267589
Hilary represented the same exact thing as the Republicans. People voted for Trump because he represented himself as not being just another neoconservative Republipuppet.

>>53267556

I don't know, maybe the minority should be subject to the tyranny of the majority? "Sucks for you that you chose to live in Colorado instead of California. Now hand over even more water for California to waste!"

>>53267597

They lost because of sexism, pure and simple.

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>this entire thread

>>53267549
It's not like you actually get to vote for your candidate, all your voting for is the guy who votes for you.

>>53266282
Didn't we just have this thread yesterday?
Are we sure OP isn't the author fishing for clicks?

>>53267612
That's not how you spell shitty tactics. Going with the corporate-backed warhawk over the populist was a huge mistake for the Dems.

>>53267611
How is the reverse ("you live in California, so your vote counts less than an Ohio hillbilly") better?

Is it okay for the majority to be the subject of the tiranny of the minority?

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>>53267577
Of course, that's the point. Trump has single-handedly cut short the swing and ensured dems are going to be in for a good while yet.

Would you call these bigly or yuge numbers?

>>53267581
Trump didn't win in votes though.

>>53267612
https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/march/trump-clinton-debates-gender-reversal.html

You're the kind of ignorant moron that gave the election to Trump.

>>53267607
>You know, as a side note, blah blah /pol/shit
Nigger the conversation was about abortion. Just say "I want to talk about sand niggers on /tg/" and stop pretending otherwise.

>>53267621
>aren't we going to have this thread every day this week and into next week until enough people have seen it that OP can no longer achieve critical shitposting mass?
Yes.

>>53267593
And yet look at the middle east today. Its STILL a hotbed for religious warfare. It hasnt even morphed into political warfare its still straight up sect vs sect. I dont see Catholics and Protestants murdering each other on the street in Europe these days.

Its not even a race thing its purely down to the fact that Islam is a cancerous as fuck ideology that needs to be reformed or destroyed.

>>53267653

It's about ensuring that more of our guys are born, and less of theirs.

>>53267661
Do you remember how this conversation started, anon?

>>53267669
Stop jerking it to the RaHoWa rulebook anon

>>53267632
I meant the goddamn electoral college.

>>53267672
It went something like this
>the middle east has been unhinged since the game of oil began a century ago
>no its been unhinged since before the crusades
>The Middle East before the crusades were prosperous
>The west was the same (not you but other anon)
>That doesnt change the fact that its been full of unhinged radicals since Medina
>The west grew out of its religious violence phase. The problem in the middle east is islam.
>Religious warfare is a thing that has happened all across the world, not just in the middle east
>and yet in the middle east its still happening today
>You ask if I remember how the conversation started

Seems like a logical progression to me. Islam sucked then and caused a lot of religious warfare in the ME. Islam still sucks now.

>>53267765
There was a little bit where Islam was sort of okay and maybe possibly about to get up on the western level, but the Soviets and America went and fucked it all up.

>>53267609
You mean people wanted a neoconservative Russian puppet instead? Good to know.

>>53267566
>Least popular president
>Anti-establishment candidate get's shat upon by bipartisan pro-establishment shills via "polls"

As a german Trumps election was an eye opener for me: Thanks to the internet I could see all the false shit the american press was trying to pull (and is still trying) and then see it being 1-to-1 translated to german and propagated by our press without even a hint of neutrality. I don't even care about Trumps policies, but the exposition of lies and bullshit he inadvertently created is pure gold.

>>53267778

Neoconservative would imply he had any firm ideological beliefs.

>>53267765
Okay so we've established that throughout history, the middle east has really been significantly no more violent or unhinged than europe, and that modern extremism can be pretty directly followed back to the geopolitical game of oil.

And now you're arguing that 'b-but look its violent now!'

If this is logical progression, you could power the western world with spinning dead philosophers.

>>53267800
Ok, fair enough.

>>53267794
Are you saying the polls are being fabricated?

>>53267776
Because there was less islam.

>>53267794
I mean, it'd be nice if it'd be more neutral but... how?

The man keeps fucking up. There's literally nothing good that can be said about him.

Great thread

Female Space Marines are awesome and soon to be canon
Dungeons & Dragons is the best roleplaying game ever
Hearthstone is a more interesting and tactical game than Magic the Gathering

>>53267840
I agree with two of this things, and the other isn't an opinion, but I'd agree if it was.

>>53267832
>everyone forgot about islam for a while and then remembered again

There was less theocracy. As soon as the superpowers started putting unhinged but on-side despots in place that went to hell again.

>>53267840
>Dungeons & Dragons is the best roleplaying game ever

But this one is true.

Well, so long as you're talking about the right edition that is.

>>53267839
Seriously, all Breitbart does is "poor Trump is under attack!". It's all about how cruel the evil lying media is, not what he's actually accomplishing.

They don't say what a great job he had been doing... because he haven't. Literally the only good thing you can say about him is that he had not nuked a country yet.

>>53267840
Has the potential to be true
True in the correct context
Is true in some ways

truth is a bitch

>>53267827
Not necessarily, but given that there were polls from the same sources reporting a 90%+ chance of hillary winning the election, I just don't give a damn about polls anymore.

>>53267839
I dunno, has he flooded the country with foreigners that facilitated mass rape on the native population, while doubling the amount of single males in the age bracket of 16 to 30, without even a hint of state control to keep them in check?

>>53267859
>Implying there IS more than one edition od dnd
It's like you dont even doublethink

>>53267875
>I dunno, has he flooded the country with foreigners that facilitated mass rape on the native population, while doubling the amount of single males in the age bracket of 16 to 30, without even a hint of state control to keep them in check?

No, but neither has anyone else.

>>53267875
The pre-election polling were within margin of error, it was a few slim margins in key states that changed everything. The american system is generally pretty awful since a whole massive state either goes one way or another.

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>>53267875
>muh rapefugees!

>>53267853
>There was less theocracy
I can live with that.

>>53267894
>>53267909

>Who is Angela Merkel
Mate, I live here. Our good immigrants are fleeing the country, because they are afraid of the new arrivals, while our government is going out of their way to shame critics into silence as admitting the glaringly obvious mistake could cost them the next election.

>>53267919
Everyone can live with less theocracy, religion in government was a necessity once and is a terrible terrible idea nowadays.

Now we just need to stop propping up shitty theocratic dictators in the middle east, and actually hit the saudis with some economy-destroying sanctions. That'll kill isis in its bed.

>>53267809
No I'm arguing that extremism in the Middle East has, unlike in other parts of the world, not declined. And really modern extremism is tied more to the fall of the Ottomans and the return to more tribal and religious allegiances in comparison to how positively cosmopolitan the Ottomans were.

>>53267939
Nice anecdote you have there m8

>>53267909
>Cologne didn't happen
Do you hate women or what?

>>53267853
You're kidding right? The Baathists were keeping shit together until they fucked up trying to take down Israel and had to become dictatorships to keep in power, leading to a slow rise of Islamic fundamentalism.

...Actually that anon posting that Israel is causing all the problems in the Middle East mightnt be wrong.

>people don't understand the electoral college

>>53267980
People understand IT, IT,s just bloody retards and should have Bern abolished a pong time ago, no martwe WHO won the elections

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>>53267909
>Violent crime surged in Germany in 2016. These include a 14.3% increase in murder and manslaughter, a 12.7% increase in rape and sexual assault and a 9.9% increase in aggravated assault. The BKA also recorded a 14.8% increase in weapons offenses and a 7.1% increase in drug offenses.
>https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10304/germany-migrants-crime

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>>53267945
Of course it hasn't declined, it hasn't been allowed to decline.

Again, the middle east has been intentionally kept in a state of instability by just about every western intelligence agency. A middle east that cant get its shit together is one that can't reject foreign intervention and aid, or worse decide to start engaging in diplomacy with russia and china.

There was a period in the 60s and 70s where there was allowed some small amount of sovereignty, and most of the middle east rapidly westernised and secularised. Naturally Russia moved in and the mujahadeen happened and it went right back to how it was.

It's a result of the ottoman collapse, but that's only because every western power jammed wedges into the cracks before they could heal.

>>53267967
>Not even an anecdote
You let your hatred for Trump cloud your vision to the point were you can't even admit the existance of one of the largest international news stories of the past years?

>>53267973
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cologne-sex-assaults-muslim-rape-myths-fit-a-neo-nazi-agenda-a6872566.html It didn't, at least not in the way the right want to think.

>>53267993
Ffs, hate my phone *it *retards *Bern *pong *matter

>>53267993
>anon's autistic rage prevents him from writing coherent sentences
The electoral college is a good thing. Anyone who wants it abolished isn't an American or is just retarded.

>>53268012
Oh yeah, the link already sounds really unbiased, when they care more about that somebody could use that for their agendas than for the actual victims.

>>53268027
>The electoral college is a good thing
Explain.

>>53267102
>I mean, I'm just dancing on the puppet strings

Fixed that for you. The whole thing at Berkeley is just to keep the people on the bottom righting so the top can continue to jew us even harder.

>>53268027
It's shit like this that is so unique to america.

Massive constitutional questions treated like short-term partizan problems.

Remember when Trump was railing on the electoral college calling for riots on the streets?

>>53268003
Oh, and my favorite
>Non-German crime suspects committed 2,512 rapes and sexual assaults in Germany in 2016 — an average of seven a day. Syrians were the primary offenders, followed by Afghans, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Iranians, Algerians, Moroccans, Eritreans, Nigerians and Albanians. German authorities have repeatedly been accused of underreporting the true scale of the migrant rape problem for political reasons. For example, up to 90% of the sex crimes committed in Germany in 2014 do not appear in the official statistics, according to André Schulz, the head of the Association of Criminal Police (Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter, BDK).

>>53268027
different anon, but how the fuck is it a good thing? It's a outdated system that makes your country less democratic, not more. A normal citizen has next to no impact on the elections, and because of the fact that a whole state grouse to one side, not the amount of votes, means that the vote of a lot of people meant nothing. Not to mention that the electors dont need to follow the vote of the people

>>53268043
>muh bias
>one of the prosecutors says only four of the accused are Syrians
Reality is biased, huh?

>>53268053
Happens on both sides of the aisle. Articles from the same outlets a couple of years apart, one saying the college is needed and one decrying it.

Everything is a partisan issue if it gets you clicks son.

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>>53268085
Yeah, the rest are Iraqis, Moroccans and Turks, so it's okay.

>>53268003
You do realize their articles are commonly inaccurate and full of misinformation?

>>53268109
>On Friday, the Cologne prosecutor Ulrich Bremer in fact told me that, of the 59 suspects pinpointed so far, just four are from war-torn countries (Syria and Iraq)
yeah nah, son

>>53268012
>Over a thousand accusations reported to police filed by complete strangers, all portraying the culprits as distinctively non-german
>concerted effort by neo-nazis

The police chief of Kölln was fired by politicians after he had the audacity to not take the blame for this. Most of the cases were dropped because we have no way to track these people, not because they were false accusations. What you posted is a prime example of post-fact spin doctoring.

>>53268079
The US is not a democracy, and it is a failure of civics classes everywhere to represent it as one. We elect representatives just like anywhere else larger than a small village.

>>53268124
Because they say things you don't like? The site is stating official numbers by the state. Even the german government is now admitting that there is something going wrong.

>>53268064
I tried wiki-ing that guy/the BDK and I only get a german page.

What are they? Are they official, or is this like the "Federal" reserve, calling themselves all official sounding?

>>53268153
But 'Republic' doesnt sound as free as 'Democracy'

>>53268153
There's a term for that:

Indirect democracy.

IE every single democracy in the world 'larger than a small village'.

You'd know this if you ever sat through a civics class.

>>53268138
Do you really think that this is some kind of counter argument? You are saying the exact thing I made fun of. They sure were "refugees". Notice the quotes.

Lets stir this honeypot even more.
Seth Rich.

>>53268164
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Criminal_Police_Office_(Germany)
Try this.

>>53268153
but you dont elect representatives, you elect some guys, guys about you know next to nothing for the most part. The person holding the most power in your country is not elected by you in any way or form

>>53268164
It's an association of professionals of all kinds of forces fighting against crimes. They are independant.

>>53267469
>From a strictly objective viewpoint, I do better under the Republicans and the alt-right, you know?
Depends on where your income level puts you.

>>53268164
https://www.bdk.de/der-bdk

They are a privately organized labor union who exclusively represent german police forces. They are the closest thing to a political statement the german police is capable of, as they are forbidden from making official political statements, like giving out crime numbers that aren't approved by the government.

We have a similar union for the army as well, since they can't publically defend themselves either.

>>53268210
I mean, it's your own fault that you know nothing about your representatives. They usually have offices around you, and talk to their constituents.

>>53268174
Yes and indirect democracy isn't democracy, your point?

>>53268147
Most of them also just disappear if any heat comes their way. And even if we could prosecute them, to what end? If the US has taught us anything, it's that filling your prison with criminal immigrants just creates a massive financial strain. The immediate deportation of proven criminals of certain degree without permanent residency rights should be one of the most important and sane laws to facilitate. There's nothing cruel or unjust about it, nobody cries for the execution of some brown fuck that got a speeding ticket once. Just don't commit capital offences in a country you want to live in you retarded fucks.

>>53268224
>>53268212
>>53268200

These 3 seem to be all different...

>>53267871
>Seriously, all Breitbart does is "poor Trump is under attack!". It's all about how cruel the evil lying media is, not what he's actually accomplishing.

It's telling that at my workplace, I get a LOT of right-wing spam in my inbox every day, and almost all of it is "YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HILLARY HAS PLANNED NEXT" AND "YOU WON'T BELIEVE OBAMA'S PLAN TO RUIN AMERICA". Hardly any of it mentions Trump, which seems to show that US conservatives would rather hear fiction about also-rans over statements about the current administration.

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>>53268233
>indirect democracy isn't democracy
>indirect
>democracy

>>53268247
Because one posted the BKA, two about the BDK.

>>53268229
i dont live in the usa, im just saying, it's a fairly retarded system, why not just cut out the middle man and get rid of a shiton of stuff that can go wrong

>>53268164
Federal reserve is official. Instead of getting your information from loonies on Youtube and antique Ron Paul memes, you should actually google it and learn how it really works.

Federal reserve is basically like the judicial branch. The executive branch can't boss it around, but that doesn't mean its a completely private entity. The chair and the board of governors are literally appointed by the president and the senate, like how supreme court judges are.

Its not just a random bank that named itself the fed and started printing money.

>>53268292
And how else would you go about organizing a political system to represent the opinions of 350-odd million people?

>>53266282
These people are like new version of Jehova's witnesses. Trying hard to convert people to their retarded beliefs that disallow enjoying anything.

>>53268235
The funny thing about the whole situation is: Most of the so-called neo-nazis are just moderate liberals criticizing the state for losing total control of the situation, not protesting the idea of sheltering refugees. Our government hasn't done shit for immigration for 50 years, they were told this was going to happen a year before and they chose to do absolutely nothing. Then, when it happened the entire thing would have ended in a complete human catastrophy with thousands dead if not for the civil volunteers organizing relief and assisting the completely understaffed government forces. Meanwhile the gov basks itself in the glory of their humanitarian "efforts".

>>53268332
>Time to Vote
>Do you want X or Y as President?
>Count votes
>Candidate with the most wins

Sounds fairly straightforward

>>53268332
USA could do it easily enough since it's presidential. Direct Prop-Res vote for president, FPTP vote for state representatives.

>>53268332
ever heard of voting for someone you want elected? I know it's a strange idea but it's a thing people do. There really is not much diference between 100 and 100million people voting as long as you use a electronic system for it.

>>53268332
You shouldn't. America should split up.

>>53268383
They tried that a while ago. There was a big of a scuffle over it.

>>53268200
>>53268289
Yeah, sorry about that..

>>53267068
How do these people get friends? Hardcore SJW types never struck me as the people who'd go out on Friday nights or even have real people to talk to.

It's kind of like 4chan, in a way.

>>53268345
Mate, you don't have to tell me. I'm Austrian, but I've voted Green, SPÖ and sometimes ÖVP at differing levels, depending on what party was representing my interests the best at the time. I'm pretty much the poster child for what you'dve called a regular liberal in the 90s and early 00s but by today's standards I'd be classified as a full-on racewar now skinhead.

>>53268360
>>53268372
Then Midwestern states are entirely worthless in elections, since they have smaller populations than coastal towns.

>>53268372
Which sounds nice until you realize that the goddamn voting machines are made by people with blood ties to the candidates.

Also I think the Trump camp has made the argument that Trump has tailored his campaign to specifically target areas that would lead to a victory via electoral college, while Hillary's campaign was overall lacking. If the popular vote would have mattered, Trump might have adjusted his campaign accordingly and still won.

>>53266440
Aaaaah I love the demographics change, it's wonderful being the generation to see This happen!

>>53268427
So why should they be overrepresented?

>>53268427
The votes from the people in the state would count for just as much as everyone else's. The idea that every group of people should have equal say, regardless of how large it is, is clearly nonsense.

>>53268469
>So why should they be overrepresented?
Different anon here. It's because the coastal states with huge urban populations don't understand agriculture and tend to make horrible decisions because of this problem.

>>53268469
Because the founding fathers were terrified of the tyranny of the majority drowning out the voices of other factions.

>>53268501
I honestly doubt anyone there votes based on agricultural policies.

>>53268158
Yeah and the fact it's a right wing think tank that has made misinformative articles about 'muslim' only neighborhoods that never existed in the first place and it was a rumour that got perpetuated by anti-immigration news formats. I'll need citations before I trust their garbage.

>>53268501
So? Let them make horrible decisions, let them starve. The sooner we shatter this pretty little dream of theirs, the better.

>>53268483
But then you have a dictatorship of the 51%, something the founding fathers explicitly wanted to avoid.

>>53268501
Why would agricultural decisions be based on the inter-state level?

Why would the REPRESENTATIVES of these people also be dumb about this stuff?

>>53268533
As opposed to the dictatorship of the 49% which is clearly more democratic.

>>53268533
The Founding Fathers were not infallible. They were human, straight white men specifically, who couldn't have foreseen the future we have.

>>53268427
this is a reason voting works, because it's one person one vote. They get as much power as everyone alse

>>53268501
Well, you could make the same argument saying that the rurals don't understand urban life and make horrible decisions for them.

Isn't the reason the american voting system works as it is because it is so old that they had to organize it in a time were small populations spread over large areas had to count votes when the only means of communication was via stage coach?

>>53268561
>straight white men
Did they also play human fighters?

>>53268429
I dont much cear who won the american election, i think both of them were awfull and never shold have been alowed to run. If you dont trust a machine do a papaer voice or any other form.

>>53267626

Because California has more than 3 times as many people than Ohio. Even with their votes "counting more" it takes 3 Ohios to outvote one California.

>>53268533
>But then you have a dictatorship of the 51%,
The solution to that isn't to fuck with people's votes, it's to hand out power proportionately rather than giving everything to the guy who got four more votes than their opponent.

>>53267626
W-wait, Ohio are hillbillies?

>>53268589
Anon, the irony behind that is it means we'd have a coalition of Democrat/Republican every election. This means people will realize we only have two parties, and try to get that changed.

Winner Takes All is a preservation tactic.

>>53268578
I'm glad Hillary didn't win, simply because if the first female president in the history of mankind turned out to be a total disaster, the idea of female leadership might have been utterly annihilated for the next 100 years, independent of personal merit.

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>>53268561
>straight white men specifically
>specifically

>>53268586
That's a retarded answer and you know it.

>there's X times as many people in texas as NYC, we should count New Yorker votes 21 times to even it out

>>53268533
The founders also owned slaves and only gave the right to vote to white male landowners because they thought at the time the people were literally morons?

>>53268210
But that's false. While an elector can just ignore the will of the people and say "I'll vote for this guy" that won't happen. That would cause riots, real riots not what these antifa faggots do.

>>53268627
It's worth mentioning they weren't an inclusive, diverse set of people. They were all the same.

>>53268360
So what about the farmers or anyone who lives outside of a major city? Do their concerns nor matter at all?
The TPP would have been disastrous for the midwest, but hey they're just hillbillies right?

>>53268643
It does happen though, California is supposed to have twenty more Republican seats if that's the case then. Meanwhile Texas is supposed to 15 more Democrat seats.

>>53268635
>they thought at the time the people were literally morons

Are you suggesting this isn't true?

Are you suggesting people who actually have a stake in politics should bequeath the power of politics onto people who are, for all intents and purposes, parasites on the system? Imagine what would happen if you let the slaves vote, or the servants of a landowner.

>>53268657
>all white people are the same
Ugh, racist much? These white people fought against other white people, they can't be the same.

>>53268643
I love this american idea of constitutional (codified or otherwise) breaches and threats to liberty not being possible because the americans would riot and revolt. Usually the same people who call for protesters to be shot for causing public inconveniences.

bread
and
circuses

>>53268524
It's not just agriculture but the culture that goes along with being more rural.

Eg., consider police response times in a city versus out in the middle of nowhere, and then look at how each demographic feels about owning a gun.

There is nothing wrong with the college itself, the problem stems from the fact that even winning by a slim margin in these winner take all states means your opponent gets nothing. But due to the importance of states rights the federal government doesnt mandate whether the states should be winner take all or not.

Write to your local representative ladies and gentlemen. Dont whine on 4chan about it.

>>53268677
Nobody cares about the Midwest, the United States has been California and New York with a smattering of isolated city-states throughout for a while now, I'd say 20 years?

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>>53268689
>slaves dont have a stake in politics]
>slaves are parasites

>>53266282
This was the least offensive analysis of race in gaming culture I have ever read. I am sympathetic to the guy and he is in no way pushing a typical SJW agenda.

>>53268521
FFS, that's why you have a multi-party system and not a two party system. The "voices of the majorety" are allredy rowning out other factions

>>53268699
This, basically. If I call 911, the nearest police (actually sheriff's deputy) might be 30 miles away. Assuming he's not busy, that's a minimum of 20-25 minutes before he can even get to my town.

>>53268677
Why should your vote count for extra just because you decide to live in a shitty place?

>>53268697
If a protest shuts down a public road cars should be able to go through them.

>>53266469
Clearly did no read the article.

>>53268711
>no one cares about our center of food production
Shiggy

>>53268750
>Why should your vote count for extra just because you decide to live in a shitty place?
But he said he doesn't live in a city?

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>>53268677
Their concerns should matter as much as anyone else's, hence them getting a vote that should count as much as any other vote.

>>53268750
>someone's plight should be ignored due to the status of their birth
You have a lot more in common with hardline conservatives than you think.

>>53268793
Don't worry, sooner or later a mod will allow quest threads to return to /tg/ and then it'll be harder for troll threads to get enough traction to stay bumped.

>>53268782
Nobody does, it's about as irrelevant as the Coal Mines in West Virginia. Keep making our food, but don't think that's somehow special.

Foodbelts haven't been relevant since the Industrial Revolution - the Agricultural Revolution, if you want to insist it survived the 20th century.

>>53268799
Except they will always be out voted by people who don't know or care about their needs. That's like saying "the majority of the populatin isn't poor so we don't need welfare"

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>>53268806
>certain groups should be given more political power because of their cultural, geographical and ethnic make-up

>>53267164
>anti-war candidate
Impossible in America.

>>53268813
*any threads

>>53268828
>Except they will always be out voted by people who don't know or care about their needs.

But those votes should only count for things that count for everyone.

State level stuff, why should other states (with their larger populations) intervene?

In this thread
>Fuck big states, bunch of elites and parasites
>Fuck small states, bunch of hillbillies and racists

>>53268799
I'm actually amazed how much more civil and constructive this clearly /pol/ discussion has been so far when compared to the shill/troll infested board this thread is supposed to be on.

>>53268867
It's 10:40 AM, all of the professional shitposters are at their jobs.

>>53268828
But isn't the point of Federating that states that have no connection to each other don't interfere with their interests?

>>53267199
>Using the wrong email address
But that's not what she did at all, how can you be so fucking wrong?

>giving Russia classified information
Fake news story, there's no evidence for this beyond some unsubstantiated claims from an "anonymous government source", just like that "anonymous government source" who said Trump threatened war with mexico which both the American and Mexican governments denied completely, which raises the question of where in the hell that "anonymous government source" got their info from. Alex jones is a big fan of "anonymous government sources" too incidentally, that's where he got the scoop about Obama and Hillary smelling like sulfur. Are you really as dumb as an infowars viewer?

>>53268918
I'd attribute it more to /tg/ being made up of very socially conscious RPG players. We had several devastating wars over the proper use of coasters, after all.

>>53266282
Sounds like he lives in a shit place. The GW manager and everyone in the store would tell someone to fuck off if they said anything remotely like, "Don't speak taco."

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>>53268635
People are morons. Letting everyone vote is just the least shitty of the current options. I mean, holy shit, some people, like the VICE PRESIDENT, think that you can zap the gay away. Should those people really have a say in what the country does?

>>53267499
>You do realize that in terms of numbers, Hillary won.
Numbers of what, electoral votes? The thing the election decided by? No she didn't.

>Not to mention that Trump is a Russian puppet.
Provide evidence, ACTUAL evidence not alex jones tier conspiracy theories.

>>53269047
yes, because unlike any forms of authorytharianism or monarchy, democracy works in the long run and if you end up with someone shitty you can vote for some alse the next time

>>53269078
Name a democratic nation.
>inb4 you name a republican nation

>>53267626
The electoral college is a compromise between the two you fucking dumbass, it's not like every state gets the same number of votes does it? Meanwihle your "solution" is turn the smaller states into what are basically colonies, with no actual representation in the election of the executive branch whatsoever. You're representing a very radical position in opposition to an objectively more moderate one.

>>53267794
Think of him as an acid test, when he was applied the entire situation became so much clearer. It was remarkable after the election how all the democrats I respected before wanted to have some sort of autopsy while all the ones I already thought were idiots started ranting endlessly about russia, really separated the children from the adults that distinction.

>>53268867
/pol/ doesn't actually care about politics in any sense of the word. They're just in it for the shitposting and getting to use racist/nazi memes in an environment where they never have to deal with the normal social consequences of posting said memes.

Most of them actually ARE pretending to be retarded, and every single one of them seems to believe that they're the only ones who aren't being serious.

It's hilarious to watch.

>>53269047
Well, the vice prez deons't have a say until someone removes the prez. You could call it insurance.

The big problem of democracy is not the inherent idiocy of the voter (they are EXACTLY of average intelligence), but that you, in order to make an educated political decision, will need to both have the necessary information and the time and patience to process said information.

As it is right now, the government obscures the information to hide their mistakes, the media buries any truth under a pile of hysteria and the average worker does not have the time or energy left to do his political homework on top of all the other chores society expects him to fulfill. The result is an apathetic voter base that get's whipped into a voting frenzy every few years and ultimatley just tries to get it over with by randomly electing whatever clown the party system has spat out before them.

>>53269101
Representative democracy is a form of democracy. Retards dont get to ask rhetoricals.

>>53267909
Let's just throw my country into the mix, why not.

http://www.polamk.fi/instancedata/prime_product_julkaisu/intermin/embeds/polamkwwwstructure/40737_Kotiniemi_Ulkomaalaistaustaisten_rikollisuus_lukuina.pdf?0a740c29ff5ad488

"Tutkimus osoitti, että lukumäärään suhteutettuna Suomen väestöön kuuluvat ulkomaalaistaustaiset tekivät 1,5-kertaisesti rikoksia suomalaistaustaisiin nähden. Yhteensä kaikista rikoksista 15 prosentissa epäiltynä oli ulkomaalaistaustainen,

"The study showed that, per capita, people of foreign background did 1,5 times more crime than native finns. The main suspect of 15% of all crimes were of foreign background"

"Korostuneinta rikollisuus oli pahoinpitelyrikoksissa, seksuaalirikoksissa ja ryöstörikoksissa. "
"The difference was most notable in abuse, sex crimes and robberies".

"Taustamaiden väliset erot olivat monessa rikosnimikkeessä merkittävän isoja."
"Differences between different countries of origin were notable" (I.E It's not German Immigrants doing the crime)

There's really no getting around this fact. Refugees do perpetrate sexual crimes much, much more than the native population, in almost every EU country.

>>53269113
no, now the vote of someone from a smaller state is worth more than from someone from a bigger state you dumbfuck, there is no compromise. Just fucking vote, get rid of the whole electoral college and make it one voice one vote. The states dont vote, the people do

>>53269202
>Retards
>>53269078
>authorytharianism
Fuck off. Nobody wants to play shitposter bingo. Morons like you kill discussion on this board.

>>53268397
Yes because today is so much like the 1860s, this argument is so fucking retarded. Why exactly are you so desperate to keep a hold of all the republican/democrat (delete whichever doesn't apply due to personal political beliefs) morons who are dragging your country down? Seems almost imperialistic, you don't really want them to be citizens with voting rights you just want the resources they're living on top of or taxes from the businesses they run. That's not a healthy country. Every fucking election it's always west coast and north east = blue and everything else = red, to anyone outside of your country it's blindingly obvious what the root cause is: YOUR COUNTRY IS TOO FUCKING BIG!

>>53267626
>>53269113
>>53269218
The real problem with the Electoral college isn't the electoral college at all, it's the winner-take-all system that the states thought up while trying to connive a way to make themselves more desirable in elections

A system where a 1:99 split results in the same distribution as a 49:51 split is little more than a plot to disenfranchise the minority of voters.

Do you live in California and want to vote for a Repulican president? Fuck you, you're in the minority, you don't get rights.

Do you live in Texas and want to vote for a Democrat president? Better move to another state or stay home, because your vote doesn't matter.

If we want a fair electoral system that actually respects the founders' vision, we need to amend that careless "states can do whatever they want with electoral votes" into having the distribution split in proportion to the actual votes.

>>53269301
this isnt a shitposter bingo, the fact is, democracy is the most resistent to retards system to date

>>53268469
So they can have any representation at all? Do you guys bitch this much about the senate? It's the exact same principle.

>>53269327
I would consider not reading others posts and just regurgitating drivel to be shitposting. Either actually defend the idea of universal suffrage or piss off.

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>>53269218
The EC exists to maintain the United States. Without it, most states would become irrelevant. Tell me: Why would most red states stay in the U.S without the EC? With California dictating all of their laws?

When thinking of your answer please bear in mind that it took ONE (1) election where it was obviously shown that the Scottish do not have any say in U.K politics to give a major boost to the independence party. Same would happen in the U.S. Every political entity that has to tie several different opinions and ways of life together employs a system like the EC. (Hint hint: The European Parliament, and the council of ministers employ similar means)

>>53268624
Don't forget the fact she obviously owes her career in politics largely to her much more successful husband. So progressive relying on a man for all your achievements, how inspiring to the little girls. Maybe if they marry the right scumfuck lawyer too they can ride his coattails almost to the presidency!

What horrible candidates, I couldn't even take Trump seriously as a game show host back when I watched the apprentice. Now he's your president, and HILLARY was the alternative? Now tell me degeneracy isn't real.

>>53269411
Didn't help when the obvious establishment candidates of both parties (clinton/bush) where only there because of their family relationships. Seriously, who thought this kind of nepotism could still fly under the radar?

>>53269379
how would california dictate anything? In a normal voting system the general public decides what people want, this means that it's not up to a state. There are rupublicans in california, there are democrats in virginia. Getting rid of the electoral college means their voice gets heard and they get to take aprt in the election