they're really leftover thunder warriors arent they

>>53265624
Would be cool if they actually were partially based on thunder warriors.

>>53265624
Nah, they look a lot better.

>>53265624
No they're not. Oh my god when will you autists learn?

I guess designing a new helmet was too hard.

mk4 helmets look like ass

>>53265624
They're just improved space marines what's the problem?

>>53265692
IE Thunder warriors.

>>53265690
Shut your faggot mouth. The MK IV helmets is the most aesthetic Space Marine helmet.

>>53265690
fuck off - best looking helmets they have

>>53265690
Why would they?
Its the most advanced mark.
All later ones were dumbed down.

>>53265702
> Best looking helmets
> Not Mk III

I think your wrong here mate.

>>53265690
It is a new helmet though, it just has MK4 design elements. The front mask isn't a proto-beak but a vertical mask.

>>53265701
nah, literally every other helmet is better looking

>>53265624
There are a lot of really interesting directions they could bring this plotline. nuMarines going the thunder warrior route and dying after thirty years, nuMarines falling to chaos, nuMarines being rejected from existing chapters and inspiring a split n the imperium.
I just hope they make the most of the potential and don't just have them replace current gen marines as the default superhuman.

>>53265624

The Thunder Warriors were inferior in general to the Marines so no.

Although Thunder Warriors were meant to be a brute force tool so it might be nice to see actual left over but modernized Thunder Warriors

>>53265736
Well now you've tipped your hand and your opinion discarded.

>>53265719
FW MkIII is terrible.

>>53265807

Plastic Mark III is great though.

>>53265844
With a new helmet and modified backpack, yes. I'd still prefer abutted plates on the legs, rather than interlocking, but GW did tone down the flare a bit and the armour plates hide most of it.

>>53265698
Making them no longer genetically stable would not be an improvement.

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>>53265736

>>53265782

Yes in general, but they were better in raw strenght if i am not mistaken.

>>53265690
If you dont like just change them,
I think this was a strategically sound move by gw. While it rapes the lore of the universe it satisfies the players.
If they just announced true scale marines people would get very angry due to the fact that thier armies of manlets are now useless.
By introducing them as a new type of marines they gave true scale marines and satisfied the player base that had the old models.

I still hate gw though.

>>53265782
>inferior in general to the Marines
They were stronger, tougher, and more resistant to the mindfuckery. The problem was that they just sort of started getting ALL the cancer after a pretty short shelf-life..

>>53266095
It doesn't rape the lore, though. It's a project 10000 years in the making.

Sorry kids, but the MK6 is the best helmet. This isn't arguable.

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>>53266129

>>53266095
>If you dont like just change them
since I don't like them I just.. won't buy 'em

>If they just announced true scale marines people would get very angry due to the fact that thier armies of manlets are now useless.
The fact that there's going to be two distinct sets of rules means the old miniatures may well end up completely obsolete. Especially with there being the confirmation of primaris vehicles down the line.

GW's trying to sidestep a problem the playerbase has brushed off several times before and jumping into like a thousand even worse ones. Because even with the greater focus on public playtesting the rules guys don't have a lot of goodwill behind them.

>>53265624
Literally Space Marine Space Marines.

>>53265779
They're clearly 40k's Stormcasts, they will be the focus of all new fluff from now on, and turn the tide of the war. They're there for people who want heroic flavor to their 40k, while people sticking to old marines can have what's left of grimdark.

>>53265624
Never had an interest in collecting SM, but the new guys actually look how I always imagined them and I might actually start collecting a force. Hopefully there will a chapter master and librarian kit for the new guys.

On the other hand I can totally understand if other people are miffed, them next to the old models must look really retarded.

>inb4 all marines get changed
>except for spacewolf models because "muh special"
>angry, hairy manlets in power armour
>It was GWs plan all along to rerelease Squads that way

>>53265624

They really look like what regular space marines should. Shame there are so many complications involved in updating the miniatures range without having to resort to something like what primaris are.

DG preview tomorrow?

>>53266272
>inb4 all marines get changed
they're being quite open about that not being the case, which I think might backfire on them eventually

>if they're superior in every way and you can just pull thousands of them out of your ass, why would you ever make anything but primaris marines in the future?
>similarly, why are the special Cawl weapons limited to only the new arrivals? If you've got the forges on mars pumping that shit out, why don't all imperial factions use them?

maybe they'll adequately explain it all, but doubt.jpg

>>53265724

I think GW or FW were already toning down that aspect of MkIV helmets.

>>53266272

That actually don't look that bad next to the older models.

>>53266325

The amount of resources and time it takes to create both the enhanced geneseed and weapons is a feasible excuse for why they don't replace the older Marines. I also would not be surprised if a lot of new geneseed is lost because there isn't always an Apothecary there to remove the progenoid glands or the entire force including the Apothecary gets wiped out.

>>53265624
How can man let marines even compete?
Old and squaring Marines GTFO

>>53265624
I like the design. I just hope the fluff isn't retarded and that they don't end being just "Space Marines but even better".

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>>53266234
>Marines
>Grimdark

If you want grimdark, you play imperial guard.

>>53267072
>I just hope the fluff isn't retarded
it's nice to have dreams

>>53266234
Marines were always supposed to be the heroic part of 40k though. It went away as time passed and they're bringing ot back.

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>>53267105
>Marines were always supposed to be the heroic part of 40k though.
marines started off as psychopathic murderers turned into living weapons

>>53267097
A guy can hope ;-;

>>53265624
What's with the checkboard knee? I thought the Ultramarines were really autistic about armour decoration.

>>53266095
>if they just announced truescale marines people would get very angry
Horseshit, especially if they brought them in as an option for hobbyists making dioramas or people who just like more imposing-looking marines.

>>53265690
You're wrong. Mk. 4 has the best helmet
mk4 > mk2/3 > mk 7/8 > mk 6 > POWER GAP > mk1 > mk5

>>53265690
Fuck off, MKIV is the sexiest armor ever in the history of mankind

Why do they have weapons with the range of a T'au pulse rifle?

Do you guys have the size comparation pic with nromal marines that was floating around yesterday?

>>53265624
Thought they were more or less a refinement on the technique that corax was given by the emperor before the alpha legion fucked him over.

>>53265624
While on a 1-1 basis, thunder warriors were a more potent soldier, they were as their name suggests, warriors. Astartes are soldiers. So while a thunder warrior may be bigger, stronger, and faster than an astartes, he's not as smart or as experienced or as disciplined.

Nary in the history of humanity has a force of warriors, skilled as they may be, defeated a professional army in both conventional and asymmetric warfare.

>>53267896
I agree. It's a damn shame that the resin MKIVs are total lanklets and the plastic MKIVs are ruined forever by their retarded turbosquat.

>>53265624
They are Cato Sicarius clones wearing high heels.

>>53267896
>The body of mk, 8, the head of mk. 4
As skeptical as I am of the fluff and all the decision leading up to it, Mk X might be my new favorite.

But seriously, what happened to Mk. 9?

>>53265624
But can I put a MkVI helmet on it without the proportions looking retarded is my question.

>>53268202
>what happened to Mk. 9
Guillyman wears it

>>53267984
If Space Marines aren't making every other army redundant what good are they?

>>53266100
Also, they were pretty much Angry Marines. Completely unfit for garrison duty or anything other than murdering whatever got in their way.

>>53265624
Am I seeing shit or do they actually have holsters and ammo pouches now?

>>53267984
Because it's useful to be able to shoot things from far away?

>>53267795
I like classic MkIII (not the FW one) because space knight great helm without the singular eye slit.

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>>53268503
MK IV best MK.

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What is the point of collecting chaos now if you're a foot smaller than your rivals? What's the fucking point of fielding a load of manlets? It's shit.

>>53265624
>primaris marines
>primaris = first
>thunder warriors were the first space marines

They figured out a way to stabilize (or did they?) thunder warriors. That's going to be the twist.

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>>53265624
>tfw when brother ultras painted "ULTRA" on his bolter again..

>>53268119
Spartacus

>>53267147
Are you illiterate? Read the caption on your image.

>>53265624
>chest, legs and weapons are literally Centurion-tier design, without any details, just bare plates to make painting more kids-friendly

>>53270422
Kid-friendly would be drybrushpalooza levels of detail so that you can have a finished army on the table with two thin coats of paint and a wash. Broad, flat stretches of armor are top tier for freehand detail and wet blending. Get good.

>>53269900

Remind me. How exactly did Spartacus die?

>>53268883
The new DG leaked model is taller, and GW did specify that the new Chaos kits would be taller as well.

I believe that they want to make all the new marines taller, to have a better "scale" when they push out other races kits.

>>53270470
>Kid-friendly would be drybrushpalooza levels of detail so that you can have a finished army on the table with two thin coats of paint and a wash.
You may be right, may be they are just lazy to add any details, like Bethesda open-worlds
>Broad, flat stretches of armor are top tier for freehand detail and wet blending.
>implying NMM and SENNM are good looking

>>53271070
>implying they're not
Seriously. Get good.

>>53265690
Lmao what's it like being so utterly wrong. Do you like MKV or something?

>>53265692
The problem is that the Emperor's design is now obsolete. Apparently scientific innovation is no longer considered heresy. At least not by the Ultramarines.

-insert Kurt Russel Soldier gifs-

>>53265624
funny thing is this is 1:1 Jes' original mk8 sketch plus some shitty greebles.
For some godforsaken reason it's calles mk10 though.

lulwut?

I don't know much about 40K, but with all of this talk about scales, are you still allowed to use the old rogue trader models despite their short stature? If so, then why are people upset about this? Wouldn't the change be more of an aesthetic thing than anything?

>>53271386
>If so, then why are people upset about this?
people have been asking for bigger marines for the last 20 years.
They didn't ask for a different flavor of marines that is bigger though.

My personal gripe would be that it looks kind of silly to have the regular marines, that are somewhat squat due to their design as gaming pieces next to what is essentially how people think they should always have looked in the first place, due to their depictions in the art.
I mean just look at the countless examples of truescale conversions.

Not really that hard to see why people would be a bit pissy.

From GW's pov it's simply impossible to change the scale of the regular marine though. They've always been their biggest range, but since they've started a few years back to do specific variants for their big four of each major choice in the army... the amount of money to redo all those kits would be insane.
So it seems like an halfassed attempt to give people what they want without the need to update everything else. Which is not really what they wanted. At least that is my take on it.

>>53271140
>>implying they're
Seriously get some taste

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>>53268883
>Why would you like manlet marines anon?

>>53265701
I would call that the Mk VI but Mk IV is a close second

>>53267735
may be a throwback to 2nd edition when that was a thing.
Ultramarine assualt squads had checkers on their jumppacks, and ever flamer and plasma pistol was decorated with hot rod flame patterns.

It goes back to the john blanche paintings of that period.

>>53268883
Go play imperial guard renegades then heretic!

>>53271287
It's never been considered heresy, only certian types of research. AI's going crazy and daemons tend to make people a bit cautious.

See also the Mechanicus making plasma macro batteries, volcano cannons, storm bolters, combi-weapons, and those exterminatus fueled shells.

>>53268479
Those have been bit options for a while now.

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>>53265690
how can you be so wrong

>>53265624

Between these faggots, the Grey Knights, the Minotaurs, and the Custodes, there are at least four groups you can describe as "Marines+". How elite can you get?

>>53271956

Will GKs be able to use them

>>53271956
spartan marines arent super marines. they just operate the way marines should because they actually get the funding they need

>>53271976
Grey knights are suoerior since theyre all psykers

>>53271492
Maybe if GW hadn't spent all their time releasing 5000 versions of space marines and space marines accessories then they wouldn't have had this problem in the first place.

Everyone suffers from space marine fatigue. Even space marine players, and this Primaris thing is the most obvious example of that.

They're going to completely replace SM with those ultra-ultramarines. The stats aren't good enough to justify them but they're just right to finally show how superhuman they are in comparison to a guardsman. They obviosuly hadn't had any idea how to introduce their truescale marines without pissing off the nerds so they made them the new faction for now

>>53265624

those slightly longer bolters just don't look right

>>53272092
>Everyone suffers from space marine fatigue.
amen to that.

>>53272111
They look superior because it seems more realistic

>>53272100
Explaining them as something like thunder warriors would have been good actually. Make them 'improved' but with a genetical downside that makes them not viable on the long run. SO they are a kind of last resort that some chapters refuse to use. This way you could have kept the old design and also introduce a way to make up new (technologically advanced) shit that simply isn't used by some chapters.

>TWO wounds
>they come in squads of FIVE
So why should I even consider them when I can field 10 24'' bolters instead of 5 30'' ones? I doubt they're going to be cheap pointwise.

>>53266234
But I thought that Stormcast were Age of Sugar's Marines? Which is it, anon?

>>53272138
>realism
The actual cancer killing 40k.

>>53272517
They're the next generation of incestuous storytelling, as they desperately steal whatever they just did from their other game because they're out of ideas.
Looking forward to Squats returning as naked steampunk enthusiasts, while the Everqueen puts on a ridiculous corset dress and unites all the Aelves.

>>53268837
Until you run out of specific materials and technologies, at which point you have to start scrounging up to make shitty MkVs instead.

MkIV might be the high-end match grade suit, but it also has all the problems of a high-end match grade suit. There's a reason suits like the MkVI and VII surpassed it. They took the good parts of the MkIV design and added reliability and cost-effectiveness to it.

>>53272531
You mean the space marine players are the cancer that has created this mess

>>53272585
We can both be right, I'm cool with that.

So what was Mk9 armor?

>>53272111
Give them regular bolters and kraken bolts (which is effectively 30" S4 AP-1). I'm interested in seeing how well those big bolters would fit regular marines. Might make nice Stalker bolters.

>>53272729
A mistake.

>>53266234
You obviously missed the part where it mentions there are worries about how Primaris Marines will react to the quirks in geneseed of certain chapters, i.e. Red Thirst, Mark of Wulfen etc. They're clearly leaving it open for grimdark fuckery

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>all these marinelets denying that MKVII is the best pattern

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>>53272843
ahem

>>53268216
Yes, they said that the heads and pauldrons are the same size.

>>53272788
>SW
>old timey Wulfen
>BA
>actual angels wings
>DA
>towering dark souls knights
>Grey Knights
>living saints

>>53270422
Because vanilla Marine kits are known for their excessive detail, right?

>>53270422
>brand new suits
>not 10,000 year old relics repaired and sanctified a thousand times over

They're no different from, say, Heresy era stock suits.

>>53270422
of all the complaints about them I could think of, their design isn't one.

>>53271492
You should try being an ork player, anon, and having all your old 1st/2nd ed models look like grots in comparison with more recent ones

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>>53272886
this

their "flaw" is that they can turn into even more of an ultra space marine space marine than normal

>>53268119
What are the minutemen?

>>53273159
A bunch of uppity colonists who would have got their butts kicked if it hadn't been for the French army and Navy?

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>>53273232
>British angst

>>53273275
I blame communists and yanks for this
also ghandi but he's a good man.

>>53273159
I said nary, not never. It's rare.

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>manlet mareens
Why does this just reek of a forced meme cooked up by GW to get (4chan) autists to accept their "nu mahreenz".

>>53273491
> Nary =/= never
Nary
ADJECTIVE

‘there was nary a murmur or complaint’
informal or dialect form of not

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>>53265690
>mk4 helmets look like ass

>>53265624
>that old Thousand Sons symbol on leguard of far-right marine

zombie-power-armours confirmed

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>>53274323
Noot noot, motherfucker.

>>53274380
It's an Iron Halo icon. Filthy newfag

>>53265690
I will agree with you against the storm my dude. Mark IV helmets are one of the most shitty looking marks and the reason I don't like HH marines. They look like stupid fish faces.

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>>53274560
this

they look good on space sharks only

and i guess any other marine themed chapter

>>53265690
Gotta agree, always hated the anteater faces. The ones with vertical slits in the faceplate like>>53271860 look okay, but the ones like >>53274477 look stupid as fuck.

>>53274682
But anon, that's the official MkIV style, not the FW redesign.

>>53272886
>BA
>actual angels wings
>forgetting the BAs actual flaw
>the one they actually call The Flaw

The Super Space Vampires will fall to the Super Red Thirst and turn into Super Berserkers and will destroy an entire hive city, and it will be glorious.

>>53274771
You forgot to specify it was a chaos hive city. After all, their super minds gives them super target recognition so that innocents aren't harmed in their super rage. The soul of sanguinus manifested in a way that simple Blood Angellets could never hope to match

>>53265624
no, their Men of Iron

>>53268938
You give GW too much credit.
>Primaris Marines
>Primarch
>The first marines issued by a primarch

>>53274771
>forgetting the BAs actual flaw

Just like GW.

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>>53272886
Leaked image of Primaris Imperial Fists.

>>53265624
>The circle is now complete
>Scouts are smaller than Marines who are smaller than Nu Marines who are smaller than Termies who are smaller than Centurions, who are smaller than Dreadnoughts, who are Smaller than Primarchs who are smaller than the Emperor who is smaller than a Dreadknight whose smaller than a Imperial Knight whose smaller than a Warhound whose smaller than Gork / Mork.

Calling it now, next thing released is the Foot of Gork and Hand of Mork

>>53265624
>they're really leftover thunder warriors arent they
No, that would imply a level of creativity on the part of GW

They're just Marineier Space Marines.

>>53265624
>bolters have picatinny rails now
Neat

>>53277056
they do not. those aren't boltguns, they're bolt rifles which are new with primaris. you can tell from that pic they're longer too.

>>53274738
that's the BoC marine heads?

i swear they never looked so fucking weird

>>53274617
>marine themed chapter
damnit carlos

>>53268119
>Unless you are, wait for it, the Mongols
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6iqzeA2pQ
Spare me the fucking details, it's a joke

>>53272729
What was with Windows Mk9?
>>53272871
This. Thank you.

>>53274477
>>53278946

That is NOT the BoC head. Those heads are part of the Death Company kit. It might be in others too, but I know its been part of that kit for years. And yes, it looks like shit.

>>53265698
Primarchs and SM are upgrades of TWs

>>53265690
That's some poor taste you have there anon.

>>53281187
That head is from the Black Templars upgrade sprue. They also come in the BA Tactical box (3 drops on the forehead), Death Company box (chalice on the forehead) and Sternguard box (optics over right eye and winged skull on the forehead).

I used a set of those Sternguard helmets for my Legion Heavy Support Squad to make them a little different.

I wonder if GW will sell chapter specific upgrade kits for them.

>>53265779
>I just hope they make the most of the potential and don't just have them replace current gen marines as the default superhuman.
i don't think they will, by the sounds of it there aren't going to be any in the dark imperium yet. Gorrillamams crusade is only just setting out.

>>53284287
they don't need to. regular marine helmets and Pauldrons fit on them.

>>53284287
>upgrade kits
>not chapter specific kits with their own special wargear options

I mean, they made chapter specific kits for regular Marines, even for things like tactical squads and terminators, so what makes the primarines different?

>>53284324
I just want a new Iron Hands kit.

>>53284318
BA doesn't need their own tactical and terminator kits either, but they exist.

>>53284336
You don't sell, so you don't get shit.

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>>53265624

Thunder Warriors are way cooler.

>>53284338
no i meant the current upgrades kits would already be compatible.

they don't need to make new ones.

>>53266272
>>It was GWs plan all along to rerelease Squats that way
oh my poor sides

>>53284948
But why bet on people buying your old and busted upgrade kits when you can make new hotness and make tons more money? Primaris themed shoulder pads, helmets themed after other old marks besides MkIV, etc. Iron Hands Primaris upgrade kit with MkX bionic legs and arms, and MkIII style helmets with optics, for example.

You can do that for NPC chapters while DA, BA and SW get their own Primaris variants with maybe even their own style armour.

>>53285302
>DA, BA and SW
>get their own Primaris
Top kek

>>53285320
GW already said they're available in all chapter flavours.

>>53268986
"Techpriest, why have you added such a garish piece of heraldry to my divine instrument of fury? For what possible purpose does this solve?"
>"Query; is unit:primaris:ultra aware of chapter:astartes:bloodraven?"
"The.. Ravens? My instructors mentioned them as a noble and skilled chapter. What relation species this have to my bolt rifle?"
>"Addition of additional permanent chapter heraldry has been observed to increase acquisition delay of chapter:astartes:bloodraven by a factor of 1.2"
"I think your vox implant may require maintenance, techpriest as that made little sense. But I have delayed long enough! I must go to the range to- where is my bolt rifle? It was here, right on this bench!"
>"Expected result, a replacement piece of wargear will be made available to you at the east armoury."

>>53285328
Nope, most of non-Ultra (BA, DA, SW) chapters are in Dark Imperium now
Primaris avaible only for SM codex

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>>53285338

>>53285342
>I have an <insert favourite Chapter> army. Can I field Primaris Space Marines?
Any of the galaxy’s many hundreds of Codex Chapters can use Primaris Space
Marines, along with many of the less Codex
-
compliant ones like Dark Angels, Blood
Angels and Space Wolves

>>53285342
Do you have any evidence for Primaris being Codex: SM only?

>>53285388
The FAQ says >>53285383
https://warhammer40000.gw-hub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/05/Primaris-Space-Marines-FAQ-ENG.pdf

>>53285383
>BA
>their whole shtick is that they were among the first to adopt it and uphold it
>DA
>they stick to the codex for all intent and purpose to make themselves less shady

>>53285421
The whole point of the quote is the poster saying those chapters won't get them.

>>53285434
Well it's a moot point when the quote says they do get them. But I'm more worried that GW calls BA and DA "less codex-compliant" (like SW), when their own fluff says the two adhere to the codex.

>>53285448
>I'm more worried that GW calls BA and DA "less codex-compliant" (like SW), when their own fluff says the two adhere to the codex.
they never were codex adherent.
Never.

Dark Angels simply by organizing their first and second companies into Death- and Ravenwing and the existence of the Inner Circle.

Blood Angels also deviate from the codex by marking squad types with helmet color and their chapter specific marking for company designation. The existence of the Deathcompany and Honorguard is also non-standard.

Small deviations from the codex are pretty normal, but these two do have pretty big differences. Both their internal organization and in the BA's case the existence of suicide squads set them apart quite a bit more than most other later foundings.

>>53285582
>they never were codex adherent.
>"The Blood Angels and their successor Chapters adhere as closely to the Codex Astartes as the Flaw allows – they recognise the Codex’s strictures as a form of discipline that can be used to restrain the Red Thirst."
-7e BA codex

>"much of the Dark Angels’ organisation is not dissimilar to that of a typical Codex Chapter"
>"For most Chapters, their main source of such lore is the Codex Astartes, and in this the Dark Angels are no exception."
-7e DA codex

Fluff that's echoed across the editions. Even Index Astartes talks about how the BA took to the Codex Astartes among the first chapters.

>Dark Angels simply by organizing their first and second companies into Death- and Ravenwing and the existence of the Inner Circle.

Crimsons Fists have 128 member 1st company and Exorcists have 3 scout companies, yet they're Codex.

>Blood Angels also deviate from the codex by marking squad types with helmet color and their chapter specific marking for company designation.

Personalized markings are not against the Codex. Not all Ultra successors adhere to the strict markings of the Codex (and in old fluff SW were very adherent to the markings guide).

>The existence of the Deathcompany and Honorguard is also non-standard.

But Ultras got Honour Guards as well. And Death Company is really no different from Abomination Squads featured in Chapter Approved 2004. Basically you take the brothers that have succumb to the chapter's flaws, but are still able to serve, and give them a chance to die in battle with dignity.

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>>53285671
Okay, I should have said they were never STRICTLY codex adherent.

This is however a distinction GW also makes.

Strictly adherent chapters are Ultramarines and their successors.
Not strictly codex adherent ones are Blood Angels and Dark Angels for example.
And A chapter that outright ignores it are the Sapce Wolves.

from the end edition angels of death codex.

>>53286223
Didn't know running your own empire and having things like Tyrannic War Vets was in the Codex.

>>53286241
well, nobody really knows what's actually in the codex
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Would stand to reason that in the same manner the manpower of each chapter is limited to a 1000, it would impose some kind of limit on economical assets in order to limit their power as well.

>>53286241
Tyranic war vets didn't exist until 4e

>>53286661
Yeah, but they exist now. So either Ultras are not Codex adherent because of that shit, or such are ok with the Codex.

>>53286685
It was noted in its first appearance that it's a slight divergence, but one catered for. Ie: there's a "thinking isn't always bad" clause and several clauses that can be interpreted to support it.

>>53266074
Except the genetic instability was fixed, which would make Thunder Warriors superior.