Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

What is the most hilarious thing a Knight can throw?

>>53261792
Its pilot.

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Are the Japanese Astartes folded over a thousand times?

>>53261792
the game

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Yuri sisters when?

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Hey, nerd!

You're gonna pick up some Chadmarines, right?

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>joined too late to get value out of manlet marines and their terminators/rhinos/dreadnaughts
>joined too early to make a full truescale army

Fucking hell, 8th seemed a perfect time to start. Now im stuck in no man's land, cause theres no way im buying and painting models that will get phased in a couple of years.

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>>53261861
Then play Sisters.

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>>53261839
Gay for xenos sisters when?
>the ultimate forbidden love

>>53261848
don't pretend they aren't cute with those plasma guns

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>>53261821
The Emperor's Shadows can attest to that.


They're canon IH sucessors, by the way.

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nth for melee combat isn't real

>>53261905
Hey, it's kimono-san!

>>53261792
>Playing apocalypse
>Knight oneshots rhino
>Throw him towards wounded Abaddon
>Dies
Was a good day

>>53261905
this is extended universe tier shit

>>53261848
I wont. The stats gave zero reason to take them, I'd rather have Terminators when I want resilient dudes, and Sternguard when I want something that rapes things from afar with bolters.

And since GW is making it clear that they want to cater to the truescale autists, and those crying that the 'story' never progresses whilst failing to understand it is a setting that you should use as a framework to make your own stories ... I don't think GW actually wants my money.

>>53261918
Enjoy walking your tank off the board

What would make you unironically support numarines? I'll start
>$20 for a box of 10

Quick! Do I take the combi inferno bolter or the power sword on my scarab occult sorcerer?

>>53261975
price is one vial of tears from a SM player

>>53261930
>be 10,000 year old god of war
>fighting loyalist scum
>letthegalaxyburn.gif
>screaming at my troops to stay in formation and kill the slaves of the corpse god
>hear noise
>look over just in time to see a rhino flying at me
>next thing I knew I woke up on the flagship and no one would tell me what happened

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>>53261905
The fact that every culture can be found on some world in the Imperium is one of the best parts of 40k.

Maori Space Marines when?

>>53261983
Now you take the sword for the extra CC attack and to at least have AP 3 (fuck Force staves and their AP 4)

Next edition depends on if they can take Force axe/swords rather than staves, and what benefit having two melee weapons gives.

could someone calculate how many sniper drone shots it would take to kill t4 3+ 3 wound character?

>>53261958
>tall marines wont sell
>expecting new kits for anything else astartes

>>53261975
keeping the same old marine price point of 40 USD for 10, or 55 USD for a sweet sweet armored assault box

>>53261975
I don't hate the Numarines, though I think that's only because I want their guns on other units.

>>53262004
Isn't that the space sharks
Does anyone have that islander metal music link?

>>53262004
Space sharks

>>53261983
Have you considered rare-earth magnets?

I would lean towards the combi-flamer because combi-weapons in 8th are no longer one use only and because your dude doesn't want to be in melee.

Assuming we do get special rules for <Sept>, bets on what they'll be like? I hope Bork'an gets something nice.

>>53261905
I was thinking the same thing >>53261924
Did you try using green stuff again or are you going to try and cut corners and start off by getting your hands on robed Dark Angels?

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>>53261975
Honestly, I'm thinking of starting a Space Marine army because for the first time I actually like the a Space Marine standard infantry model.

>>53262008
41 at bs2

>>53262008
3 unsaved armour saves needs 9 wounds. 9 wounds need 15 hits. 15 hits need 45 shots taken.

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>>53261918
>mfw charging first turn

there isn't a more glorious feeling

>>53262008
You mean for the stats we have for 8th?

Assuming they're at BS 2, you need just over 40 shots, giving you around 8-9 wounds for them to save.

If they're BS 5 thanks to a drone controller, you'll only need around 17-18 shots.

Not exactly the most threatening thing for a typical HQ

>>53262084
You and me both, especially if there's an equivalent of Kill team or SW:A in 8th, then I would pick up a box or two.

Maybe branch out into one of Guilliman's new Chapters of Space Marine Marines from there.

My friend wants to get into 40k stuff and enjoys comics.
Are there any decent ones? I personally don't read comics.

>>53261848

Those plasma guns are hot af

>>53262135

There's Damnation Crusade, about Black Templars.

>>53261936
Literally, yes.

Were you referring to an extended universe other than 40k's?

Seriously, do you think GW jumped the shark with this primaris thing?
The only thing that could be worse would be female space marines or end times.

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>>53262023
>>53262032
How could I forget such a badass chapter?

>>53261975
Honestly I would have been less upset about them if GW would have been honest about them, and just came out saying "Look, we wanna slowly replace marines with larger models, so for now just use them as alternative marine models, but over time all marine versions will be like this"

It would have been way better than this PR bullshit like "No worries, you totally won't have to replace your marines now" and replying to "I don't want to use new marines models" with "But why would you pass up the opporunity to buy these totally cool new models ? Just wait untill you see model X, that will convince you"

I just can't stand sly, dishonest bullshit like that.

>>53261877
what a waste of double 7s.

>>53261848
yup and convert them

>>53262172
>he doesn't use old ass 2ed minis still
it's all legal you absolute pillock

>>53262164
If I ever played space marines I would use tyberos as my HQ even if I wasn't running SS, he just looks so badass
>friendly reminder all space sharks fight in total silence, not making a sound as they slaughter

>>53262172
by your logic, we should all be using models that were the original, and never had any updates

>>53262161
GW jumped the shark ages ago, when things like Stormraves, Stormtalons, Centurions, GK babycarriers and the like appeared out of thin air. And the fluff explanation always being that they had this stuff all along.

Mark my words, in another 50 year Primaris marines are going to be replaced with even bigger marines, untill we play 40 with knight-sized infantry.

>>53262179
Hey look, it's some idiot that thinks the sisters' line will be updated soon.

People don't understand the point of Primaris marines.
For years theres been a logical inconsitancy with space marine miniatures. They are supposed to be bigger than regular human miniatures but they aren't.
This is GWs first start in fixing this issue. Expect tru-scale imperial guard in the future.

>>53262215
>Complaining about stuff released ages ago jumping the shark
Fuck off old fag we will never go back to 3.5

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>>53261991
Feels great to be loyal

>>53262157
Anything else? It looked a bit confusing for a newcomer.

>>53262199
Have they ever updated the standard model for an army, but used different rules for those new models instead of just saying they're the same thing?

I honestly don't think they even needed to try to sell them with new rules, the model could have sold itself on aesthetics alone.

>>53262005
Yeah, I was considering the sword for the looks and now stronger assault phase, even if it'd give up extra ranged power from the bolter.
>>53262042
Unfortunately, I can't magnetize worth anything and don't want to ruin this model. Thanks though, anon.
>combi flamer
Scarab occult can only use combi bolters.

Fucking christ.. I'm debating buying a pair of Dreadclaws, which would give me the magic number of three. Someone stop me.

>>53262199
Not at all, what I mean is GW should just not have gone out of their way trying to explain away even bigger marines. Just release the things, say this is how marines are gonna look from now on, done.

>>53262113
>charge tau T1
>get over watched
>kill some drones
>they fly back
>you die to shooting

M-man! Melee s-sure is great!

>>53262260
Its just a stepping stone. Expect regular marines to get the redone scale later.

>>53262276
>Melee army takes casualties on the charge

WHAT AN ENTIRELY UNPRECEDENTED DEVELOPMENT

>>53262254
You'll have to asseble and paint those fuckers.

>Main reason I don't own a drop pod army is how much of a nightmare those things are to paint.

>>53261918
>>53262276
>they fly back
>die trying to run like the shitty cowards they are
Wow it's like you didn't read

>>53261975
I already think they look better than the old ones, so there's that.

Some cool looking tanks and planes which they share with other imperial factions?

If they somehow manage to fuck up the space wolves and kill all the furries then change the chapter name to something less retarded and erase all records of the previous version, that would make me buy like ten boxes just to give GW the money.

>>53262276
T'au*

Fluff wise, what are the advantages of Renegade Guard over their loyalist equivalents?

Can someone tell me which SM models wont need to be up-scaled?

>>53262251
you know you can literally use them as regular tacticals if you want right?

So which chapter(s) is GW going to screw over by saying they reject the Primaris marines?

I'm guessing Black Templars........

>>53262307
No stopping to pray to big E

>>53262311
And you could just use regular tacticals for them, as long as you aren't playing in a tourney.

>>53262282
This already happend like 2 times, from metal to plastic to redone plastic. But why does the new stuff need its own snowflake rules this time ?

>>53262276
>>53262288
Not only that, but it's going to be even less casualties on the charge than it is currently because Tau can't use markerlights to boost their ballistic skill like crazy anymore.

Enjoy losing 1 or 2 dudes to those snapshots and then kicking their faces in.

Maybe charge with something more threatening than grots next time

>>53262296
Except they can still shoot you while they run. Sweeping advances do not exist anymore.

>>53262307
The Commissar doesn't need a reason to shoot his own men. Blood for the blood god and all that.

>>53262253
>Scarab occult can only use combi bolters
Sorry about that. I got confused when I saw "Inferno" in your post because I was looking at "Inferno pistols" earlier...which aren't flamer weapons either.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FMNJuSl91qY

>>53262331
As far as im aware they have not made true scale marines yet anon this is a first you gobshite.

>>53262260
If they want to sell a bunch of models, they generally need to have rules which are specific to those models. Few people will buy something they already have models for even if the new version looks better.

>>53262307
you get to worship 4 gods instead of 1, spikes are cool, arrows are cool, daemons are helpful sometimes, if you're good or lucky enough you might become a daemon, hell you might get the chance to become a csm, take what you want

>>53262288
Kek, BTFO

>>53262322
What else?

>>53262318
I would have said Space Wolves if they weren't practically name dropped in the trailer.

You guys think they'll do a Start Collecting: Primaris Marines box?

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Recently played Mephiston as my HQ aT a FAAC tourny and for the most part I got a lot of good use out of him just cracking open transports and murdering the contents with his STR 10 sword power and Biomancy.

But holy fuck, why doesn't he have an invuln save (or at least fucking FNP, he survived the Black Rage ffs.) It's just silly that the Lord of Death just gets removed by AP 2 weapons. Hope he gets love in 8th.

And a new model.

Does anyone have the old white dwarf thing, with like different types of cadian camo?

So, what the fuck happens to Sternguard, Vanguard Vets, Scouts, and pretty much everything else?

I play Blood Angels, what the fuck about my Death Company and Sanguinary Guard? They just going to be midget marines now? I sincerely doubt GW is going to make new Primaris models for such specialized units.

>>53262288
>>53262338
The point is that now, even if you make it all the way to the crisis suits and get some swings in, they don't take the damage. A nearby unit of drones does. The the suits, no longer locked in combat, jump a few inches and shoot you in the face. Then you get to run overwatch all over again against a 0 casualties unit with supporting fire flamers.

>>53262346
Now I want to see a Khorne-worshipping Commissar.

>>53262342
Where in the fuck does it say they can shoot *while* running? The only thing of that sort I see is you being able to get one last shot/whack at them as they try fleeing, not the other way around.

>>53262407
Read the fucking faction focus holy fucking shit.

>>53262305
They've basically been T'au since their first codex.

>>53262401
I hope and bet they do. I hope because some of the more recent marine boxes are ass.
Truscale derpcompany pls

>>53262348
Nonono, you're all good anon.

>that new Arch video
jesus christ talk about being a grognard, why are people flipping out so goddamn hard, no one is taking the old marines away from you.

>>53262402
Maybe... don't charge Crisis suits with something that can't kill them turn 1?

>>53262308
Stormhawk interceptor.
That's basically it.

>>53262407
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-tau-empire/
"Oh, and did I forget to mention [Crisis Suits] have the Fly keyword? This allows them to Fall Back from combat and still shoot at full effect. Brutal!"

It feels like 40k would just be 100 times more fun if Tau was just removed all together.

>>53262386

White Scars maybe

Raven Guard because they have a history of fucking with the Marine template and it not going well.

I just know they'll fuck over a first founding chapter because reasons.

>>53262438
What did you expect from arch?

How they should do new Death company
>bring back Sanguinius through some plot magic
>the paradox causes Death Company to go twice as insane
>???
>Primaris Death Company

Don't forget: The helmets and pauldrons are the same size as normal marines. Go buy some chapter upgrades from forgeworld!

>>53262401
>Colossus joins the X-Men
>why isn't everyone this size? reeeeeeeee

I've been living under a rock this past week.
What's the consensus on Primaris Marines?
I like them, but I'm not gonna play them.

Are there any Space Marine chapters that are more heavily focused on vehicular warfare?

>>53262462
it's more than just him though, there's mounds of butthurt across youtube, desu i'm not surprised, but did people even read the article?

>>53262475
the models look great, but people aren't fully onboard with the lore. It'll blow over and we'll be better off having them than not

>>53262402
Unless, crazy idea, you deal enough damage to kill the drones AND the suits, since it isn't like a Crisis team couldn't have an annoying pile of drones to chew through before. Plus they could also already have Hit & Run via upgrading a single suit for a few points and then have a pretty good chance of just running out of your face anyway.

What has changed, aside from the fact that Tau overwatch isn't at BS 5 ignores cover all day every day now?

>supporting fire flamers.

See above, charging into a Crisis team that's loaded up on Flamers, flamers, and more flamers has always been a stupid idea and that hasn't changed.

>>53262475
Why do you need a concensus? Maybe reddit and cuck porn is more your thing anon.

>>53262464
DC is great as is. Just give them a 4+ FNP, that would be really nice. Maybe cheaper upgrades for weapons.

It's Sangunary Guard that really need a buff.

>>53262423
I did, you fucking turbo autist. "The Stormsurge also has the Walking Battleship special rule which allows him to Fall Back from combat and still shoot, while also ignoring the penalty for moving and shooting heavy weapons."
I don't see shooting while moving, all I see is still being able to shoot after having ran. Especially since shooting is a different fucking phase from running and the only attacking that is mentioned during running away is against those running, thus we can infer that it's separate. All this effect negates is being stopped from shooting in the shooting phase after fleeing you turbo fucking retard autist down syndrome. Please learn to read.

>>53262475
look awesome, big problem for me is i have more marines than guardsmen

>>53262475
They are here to replace manlet marines.
But you can still play manlet marines for now.

>>53262501
Is it your first week on /pol/?

>>53262498
Plus, neither drones nor suits are very tanky. I mean, suits are just Primaris Marines with shorter range guns and less leadership at this point.

>>53262470
Oh, did you miss the part about new Primaris marines in assault and devastator flavors too? As well as a new dreadnought.

>>53262518
Do Deathwatch count as manlet marines?
Wait, will Deathwatch get Primaris marines?

>>53262438
Arch always rages at anything new, he still refuses to aknowledge aos
By the way does he ever come on /tg/ or is he a normie?

>>53262491

>GW doesn't mean it when he shits on the lore and fucks up the rules while making them even more casual and broken. Deep down I know he loves me even though he hits me sometimes and takes all my money. It's for my own good and it's better off this way anyway.

My fucking god, this game is so bad and GW so awful that their players have bettered wife syndrome. This is absolutely shameful.

>>53262543
Any marine who is short is a manlet marine

>>53262531
>asking for consensus
Why not think for yourself instead of getting three opinions from random people and calling that a consensus you reddit retard.

>>53262533
They're new units. Why would you assume you're getting veteran units of these guys?

>>53262544
from his grognardness i would expect him to be on here, but he's perpetually angry about shit that's long past. This isn't even bad in the slightest, our marines are going nowhere, and we get new truescale as well. We can always just count them as normal marines, they even said as much.

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>>53261975
Cool Spacewoof models

>>53262475
Fucking stupid. I was finally hoping we'd have true scale marines and was eager to jump into the hobby with my two best friends, instead we got one of the shittiest lore ass pulls possible. Might just get into AoS instead.

So how should GW upgrade the guard now?

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>>53261745
>ATSKNF is still a thing
>Marines will most likely ignore battleshock altogether and disengage CC and act normally
Why does CSM fags even try?

>>53262577
squat them

>>53262290

I have one assembled, and it really wasn't that bad. Painting is just going to be time consuming if I can't find a dark blue rattle can.

>>53262532
Yeah, pretty much. And even if they decide to beef up Crisis suits with an extra wound or something, they're going to end up more expensive one way or another due to special weapon prices going up. Plus if power weapons deal 1d3 damage, then that's just gonna make it easier.

>>53262552
Dude, it's fucking plastic army men. Get over it. I'd rather have better/truescale marine models than not. Grow up.

>>53262586
No, fuck you.
They are almost as iconic as space marines by now.

>>53262577
Make them look like the marines from Aliens.

"Hey guys your existing marines will be totally playable, don't worry."

Never mind the fact that the new models are superior in every conceivable way.
2 Wounds
2 attacks base
30 inch range -1 AP rifles

Am I the only one who doesn't outright hate Primaris Marines?

>>53262611
you forgot
>cost more
>can't take special or heavy weapons without the whole squad taking the same weapon

>>53262605
or starship troopers

>>53262611
Yeah, at higher point cost. By that logic you might as well run nothing but terminators. Or shit, go all the way for custodes, those motherfuckers are tough.

>>53262611
Never mind the fact that the new models are said to be higher points cost and the most basic squad has no customization either.

>>53262604
Only among HFY spergs, whose opinions should be discounted.

>>53262391
He used to have a refractor field on the previous editions

>>53262619
So what if they cost more, they are flat out better.
They can take twice the punishment before they go down.
Taking a single heavy weapon in a tactical squad doesn't create that big of an advantage, especially in an edition where everything can damage everything else.

It would have been really funny if they gave whole primaris squads plasma guns as standard issue and heavy weapons as special.
Then made a new classification of primaris really big heavy weapons

>>53262611
>more expensive
>fewer weapon options

I mean, shit, if being better but more expensive was all it took for people to drop marines then why doesn't everyone just play Knights?

>>53262639
>They can take twice the punishment before they go down.

Tell that to Tyranid Warriors

>>53262578
>goddess as useless as your opinion
Fitting

>>53262123
honestly I don't expect shadow war to change. except perhaps having factions added.

It can stand as the in depth skirmish game that serves as a cheap gateway that gets people invested in the "your dudes" thing.

>>53262639
Do you play nothing but imperial knights? Because they're like... Waaaaaaay better than marines. They can take like 20x the punishment. Who cares if they cost more

>>53262639
You're right, that's why the best armies are always the ones composed of the models with the highest points cost.

Daww. So many crybabies. Show us where the NuMarines touched you on the doll.

Newsflash: Your "everything is dumb" bellowing changes nothing. The NuMarines are in. End of story. Deal with it, alternatively quit.

>>53262639
>can take twice the punishment before they go down
and likely will cost a good chunk more, Terminators now have two wounds but I don't see anyone bitching about them.

>>53262577
Give them cool space lasers.

>>53262224
When did I ever say that. I said it was a waste of dubs because playing sisters is dumb.

>>53262639
>take twice as much to go down
>as if most anti-marine options won't be multidamage anyway
Seriously, they're more durable against small arms, but any kind of marine killer will eat them for breakfast.

>>53262639
Multi-damage weapons are a thing now, so having 2 wounds isn't actually as big of an improvement anymore. Yeah, it's good against small arms fire, but these guys are gonna be paying an extra 3-5 points per head for that.

Everything can damage everything else, but it's a matter of efficiency. Your dudes with S 4 AP -1 bolters aren't going to kill a dreadnought in any reasonable amount of time.

>>53262681
fucking brilliant

>>53262577
Give them a new infantry box that isn't from the Thatcher Administration

>>53262402
>play against tau
>charge my grots and solo meks towards their gunline
>great he bought 1000p of drones into the 1500p game
>kill only drones while his naked suits dance around me and mocks me
>warlord dies to the harsh insults his ethreal threw at me in psychic phase
Thanks GW! 8e sure is great!

>>53262731
>he didn't bring ork snipers to kill the ethereal

>>53262639
>cost more
>takes more to take down
what does he mean by this?

>>53262731
>not bringing a naught in the edition nicknamed "age of Gorkanaut"
I know orks are op now but you don't have to sandbag that hard

>>53262653
>The first butthurt took the bait
Not as useless, also
>Aqua
>Useless
>Eris doesn't do shit besides escaping to the human world to steal shit
Aqua is shit but at least she's more active as a goddess

Any guesses on how Poison will work in 8th? Is there something similar in AoS, what should I expect?

>>53262672
This.
If you don't take primaris marines into your SM army, you are not a true 40k fan.

GW: Hey guys! 8th edition will bring back charging!

Tau Players: WHAAAAA WHAA! WE NO LIEK CHARG, FIX IT, BEING CHARG I BA BA!

GW: HEY GUYS! Charging Tau is now pointless as they can still shoot you.

>>53262769
The flight suits can, which makes perfect sense. The infantry can't.

Hey /tg/ the ruler of /tg/ in the future, who you know now as cheetah anon, has sent me to the past to answer one question about 12th edition, which I'm sure is what this thread is getting hyped for if I set my clock right, so what is your question?

>>53262769
Literally just the squishy af suits though

>>53262600
The models are better, I agree. But if the game is shit why fucking bother paying so much money for said plastic army men? And was there no better way to add in better models than fuck everything up?

taking shitloads of drones for your crisis doesn't sound like very good idea. not only will it costs tons of points the crisis suits will still be fucked by battleshock.

>>53262776
Bullshit. Why can't my infantry as well? Tau are only good whem shooting, having no way to escape combat and shoot competently after just makes my models useless.

>>53262566
Because this a community and I'm curious what others think about the massive changes coming.
I gave my two cents on it before any responses anyway.

>>53262616
Naw, bruh.

>>53262769
After being shot at while fleeing, sure. Have fun getting shot at by Tau xenofag corpses

>>53262794
No, the game is fine, in fact 8th looks to be as good as it's been in a decade. And "everything" is definitely not fucked up. If you honestly think that, I dunno, maybe pick up fishing, because this game isn't for you.

>>53262802
Nice false flag. Make it a bit less obvious next time though

>>53262744
Drones would tank the sniper wounds, too.

>>53262795
more than likely drones will be exempt from the battleshock rule

>>53262577
Make them a head taller than the primaris marines

That way marine players will be prepared for the next round of upscaling

>>53262782
Are the 'nids still shit?

>>53262826
You clearly didn't bring enough Ork snipers
>Ork Snipers are fully-automatic, belt fed, and use bigger bullets so it's harder to miss

>>53262842
Just to make everyone salty, probably better than new marines.

>>53262763
>expects kazuma to do everything for her
>destroyed the town with a flood
>attracts undead wherever she goes
>entire city of her worshippers are pestering bigoted zealots
>ruins the income of said town and gets thrown out by an angry mob of her own worshippers
>muda

>>53262577
What if Guillimans technological advancement made it possible to field light mass-produced power for the guard. Would you dig it?

>>53262769
Why does nobody get that they replaced the Tau's ability to move 2d6 in the movement phase with this?

Now instead of constantly staying out of assault range entirely while also ducking behind walls where they can't be shot, they just have Hit&Run that works 100% of the time, assuming they don't die first.

>>53262842
Lol are you one of those people constantly asking for nids back? There's a reason we say discontenued armies got nidded

>>53262818
Who's false flagging? All I am saying is all Tau need to be able to escape combat or be good at combat or else what are we going to do on turn 3 if we somehow don't table our opponents?

>>53262849
Oh good, I'd always want to fight a Nidsfag but they are nowhere to be seen in my LGS.

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>>53262864
mobile infantry!

>>53262890
>Bucey'd

>>53262864
*power armor

>>53262874
Are Tau able to Overwatch then hit in combat first then run away then shoot right after?

>>53262506
>retardedly screams about being able to cut tau down while theyre running
>gets called out
>moves the goalpost to 'ha! i told you they couldn't shoot while moving!' in desperation
>expect people not to laugh at him
How does it feel to get btfo?

>>53262880
You disengage and let another unit shoot the other guy in the face, dumbass.

There's a reason making an army that ignores one of the primary phases of the game was a mistake.

>>53262933
in order
yes
wat
yes

>>53262903
Gary bucey guardsmen when?

>>53262135
DEFF SKWADRON

>>53262880
Look dude, you're the one that chose the army that eats shit in melee

Adapt.

How the fuck are non deep-striking armies going to make it to melee now? Rhinos better be tough as shit now.

>>53262950
>Tau ignore 2 of the 4 phases
>Tau players get butthurt when they get wrecked in those 2 phases>>53262951

>>53262486
Iron Hands?

>>53262951
Will try and make it simpler.

If you are playing Tau and are being charged can you do all this in the new edition?

Overwatch, strike back in melee after the charger attacks first, disengage, then fire back at the charger at full ballistic skill right after disengage.

>>53262939
">they fly back
>die trying to run like the shitty cowards they are"
That's what I originally said. They'll die trying to run away. Your retaliation was "Except they can still shoot you while they run. Sweeping advances do not exist anymore."
That's not calling me out, that's making an invalid point that is not supported by GW's statements at all by twisting their words to fit your own meaning.
>moving the goalpost
No, I simply disproved the point you tried to make against me when you attempted to claim you'd be able to shoot while running rather than after, making assaulting you as you flee useless.
Learn to argue, read, or maybe even fucking think please.

>>53262973
No, GW should cater to me. Tau are the good guys after all and should be good at everything just like all my favorite animes.

>>53262933
You charge the Tau, they overwatch, you strike first unless they do command point nonsense to try and hit you on a 5+, then they test for battleshock, then during their next turn they can fall back, then shoot during their shooting phase, assuming there are any left.

>yfw the new vehicles for Primarines includes flyers that actually look like they can fly

>>53262999
If you use crisis suits, yes

Why would they not be able to strike back?

>>53263018
>he thinks Sweeping Advances are still a thing
lmao

>>53263018
>trying this hard to cover for you own fuckup
Just stop posting, please.

>>53263025
That would be over the line

>>53263032
I thought they would be able to do this all in one turn. I was unaware they disengaged on the Tau players turn.

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>>53262863
>expects kazuma to do everything for her
>Forcing an administrative goddess to do actual fighting
He was dumb enough to take a bureaucract to combat situations
>destroyed the town with a flood
Kazuma was responsible for teasing a vagina deity
>attracts undead wherever she goes
That's because she's a goddess of the death, the kind of undead she attracts are the poor bastards enslaved unto service or bad luck
>entire city of her worshippers are pestering bigoted zealots
Because she actually does shit and favours her followers unlike eris>ruins the income of said town and gets thrown out by an angry mob of her own worshippers
This is why you don't force summon divine beings into mortal realms
>mudapic related

>>53262952
It was Jake Bucey.

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lmfao...

>>53263073
Yeah, it still follows turn order. You don't Overwatch, disengage, then shoot in the assault phase, then also shoot next turn.

It's a way to give shooting units a way out of assaults and tarpits, though whether it actually works out remains to be seen. Right now though, the optimal assault strategy is kill as many enemies as fast as possible, since they can fall back and leave you in the open anyway.

>go into Tau faction focus with low expectations for balance
>All their fucking suits can disengage from melee with no penalty, jump back and shoot
>We're making melee more viable now guys, trust us!

Pretty much what I fucking expected though I guess.

>>53263110
Do you have the 8th edition rules for what that does anon?

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>>53263125
>uncivilized barbarian thought he could actually win

>>53263125
>Pretty much what I fucking expected though I guess.
You say that now, but wait till the faction focus for Orks and Tyranids come out and completely negates everything put forward by the Tau focus.

The salt from the Tau crowd will be fucking DELICIOUS if that happens.

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>>53263110
I know right? Fuck chaos battle brother!

>>53263033
You tell me to read and yet you do not read yourself, why?
"If you’re in combat at the start of your turn, you can Fall Back by moving away from the enemy. You’ll lose the ability to advance, shoot or charge that turn, and crucially, enemies will be able to shoot at you!" -Movement spotlight
>>53263046
No fucking u. Seriously though, please point out spots where I have majorly fucked up.

Tau could become worse than Orkz and you faggots would find something to complain about. Just admit that you don't like the faction/the people that play it and let it go. People are going to like things you don't like and that's okay. I personally think a good chunk of Chaos players are whiny fucks that wouldn't be happy with their faction until their bolt pistols are S10 AP-5 72", Rapid fire, twinlinked. Does that stop me from trying to enjoy a game against them? No.

>>53263125
I trust them to atleast balance this with an increase point cost. I hope at least that it wont be 30 suits on the field that can out shoot hundreds of models.

>>53263075
Lmao I was only pretending to be retarded...
>n-Nani!?

>>53263137
Most likely will remain the same, they'll will probably ignore battleshock and act normally after retreating from combat, so marines will be able to be be charged retreat, shoot back and charge

>>53263125
Which would you rather deal with

>Tau battlesuits can use Hit & Run 100% of the time for free, instead of it being a roll and an upgrade

Or

>Tau can use supporting fire markerlights to have their units Overwatch at higher ballistic skills
>Battlesuits can move 2d6 during the assault phase to stay out of charge range

>>53263169
>And the new Ravening Swarm keyword means that if anything retreats from close combat with Tyranids, they get an immediate charge move in the opponent's movement phase to try and catch them again!
That would be hilarious.

>>53263178
>such desperate mental gymnastics
Kek are you seeing things anon? Sweeping Advances aren't mentioned anywhere kek. The whole morale system was replaced.

But keep struggling little one. Your desperation is making me laugh like I haven't in months.

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>>53263215
>You'll lose the ability to advance, shoot or charge that turn, and crucially, enemies will be able to shoot at you!
Either you're not fucking reading or you're the one doing damn mental gymnastics. Especially when you're bringing up morale, something I haven't at all. Or maybe you're actually stupid?

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>>53263203
Have you actually gotten anyone to take this b8 yet? /Tg/ can't be that stupid...

>Tau bigga dredds and smaller dredds can shoot ya if ya dare to get close enuff wif yer boyz, while jumping away like those pansy gits
>Just shoot at them so they dun jump away
>Go krump da smaller tau instead

it is that hard to understand? Only suits can jump away and shoot you.

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Which chapter tactics would best fit a chapter loosely based on the Persian Empire?

>>53263243
SEE?! ITZ SO EASY EVEN A GROT CAN UNDERSTAND IT!

>>53263243
Yeah but infantry in Tau armies is almost universally token as fuck so they can max out suits.

>>53263204
This.

They basically just got auto-succeed Hit & Run in exchange for (probably) losing JSJ. Markerlights got nerfed, the AP on all their weapons got nerfed against many targets, the big suits got nerfed, ALL of their bullshit formations are gone like the one that doubled their supporting fire range to 12", so now they need to practically be within range to get pulled into combat via pile-in to share Overwatch.

I'm not a taufag sympathizer by any means but I don't think they're going to be as strong this edition.

>>53263255
white scars?

>>53263255
Ultramarines?

>>53263112
Doesn't sound awful. Would like to be able to have a chance to strike units trying to disengage. Playing a Blood Angel army, it was the most unfun thing trying to move for those 2 tuens while losing hundreds of points a turn trying to get in charge range. That will change hopefully with being able to assault out of all transports.

>>53263270
I would be happy if this new bullshit replaces the old bullshit of JSJ, but I don't think it will.

If it does though, and Taufags can no longer hide their shit from my Guardsmen blobs then happy fucking days.

I'll just admit, I wonder what will come of Necrons with all of this. Seems they might have a system like Nurgle's disgustingly durable, and probably keep their high leadership. Unsure if the Gauss rule will just mean mortal wounds on rolls of six, or whatever equivalent of rending.

Oh hell, I can only imagine what will happen with new chariot rules, and I have no idea if hammer of wrath still exists.

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Everyone's butthurt about battlesuits but I'm just happy my destroyers won't be eternally stuck in combat anymore

So Tau still have supporting fire.
Is there gonna be any way to get a melee IC in combat with them? Only way I can see is having them within 3' before your main unit charges.

Otherwise, your unit charges, gets shot up by every unit, ties up the main unit. Your IC charges, gets shot at by all but the directly engaged unit.
Repeat next turn, after Tau get their usual, undisrupted shooting phase.

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I wonder if missile launchers will be good again

>>53263324
We don't know how supporting fire works yet. It might only allow units that aren't directly being charged to Overwatch once.

>>53263295
I don't like the idea of being able to assault out of all transports. At least before you had to stick your choppy blob in an expensive vehicle.

If it happens, you can throw your mega rape team in chimera and bum rush down the field. It'll be fucking rhino rush all over again.

>>53262578
It will likely be reduced, not ignored. Probably d3 instead of d6.

>>53263265
Tau player face when he places his suit to bait your melee unit, but you just shoot it down with a lot of Tankbustas/lootas/whatever and charge everything else with your boys.

>>53263267
>Tau player puts suits on objective
>charge with 30 boys
>tau suits jump away laughing at you
>30 boys are now on an objective hold by tau just moments ago
>"jokes on you that was actually my plan alla long"

mfw Orks are new trick masters of 8th edition

>>53263295
Well, depending on how you interpret it, >>53263239 quoted it here

>crucially, enemies will be able to shoot at you!

Referring to disengaging. So you get your first round of attacks on the charge, the enemy deals with battleshock, and then when they fall back you get an extra bit of shooting before they shoot you.

I don't think this is going to work against dedicated assault units. At most, I think it'll make it so proper assault units have an easier time catching the suits, while more middle-of-the-road options can still rush in and deal some damage, but it'll let the suits still back off if they live.

Personally, my biggest qualm about all of this is that they really even bothered to keep overwatch. Falling back is a much better thing to focus on in terms of leveling the playing field, and prevents the issues of assault armies locking down shooting armies and preventing them from doing anything.

>>53263331
Well, frag grenade turn out to be pretty baller, so I'd guess frag missile is ok too. Krak missile is probably slightly worse lascannon as usual.

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>>53262731
>uses grots and a normal combat example
>trying this hard

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>>53263241
>Denying the truth
>Expecting marines to have less
Pic related

>Though they are a step removed from their brothers, the Primaris Space Marines still bear the gene-seed of their Primarchs, and some dissenting voices worry how this new type of warrior will react with the known genetic quirks and flaws of some of the more unusual Chapters…

WHO'S READY FOR WULFEN FURFEST 2: PRIMARIS BOOGAWOO

>>53263255
White scars

>>53263298
Drones, at least, don't seem to have JSJ unless it's in DRONES or FLY.

Though I'd laugh if it was in keyword TAU EMPIRE.

>>53263389
Please post "Brother my geneseed is flawed"

>>53263349
I'm pretty excited, it actually gives all my damn blood claws a purpose. Rhinos full of cheap assault marines that still rip tau apart in melee? Wherever I go I must also be an ass.

>>53263302
Who knows, they may make it so Gauss is a minimum 5+ to wound, given the old definition.

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>>53263377
Well itz sayz right here in da codex dat you're a grot anon, so...

Seriously though, "rebel grot armies" are a thing. Never met anyone who fields them, but they do exist.

Because reasons.

so we might get the big rule book (16 pages i think i saw somewhere) then army books with i guess battletomes or codexs to follow right? i wish they would give us a battle report or something

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>>53263389
> Death Company Primaris.

>>53263331
>>53263374
Yeah, Frag missiles seem like they'll turn out nice with d6 shots for horde clearing, though Krak missiles feel like they'll be S8 AP -2 D 1d6 at best, maybe 1d3 if they want to dial them back.

I feel like in that case though, missile launchers are better seen as an anti-horde weapon with a bit of anti-tank, rather than direct competition with the Lascannon. If it ends up being 1d6 while still being cheaper, I think it'll be great.

>>53263401
It would be in Keyword FLY, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't allow JSJ in addition to also retreating from combat and then shooting.

>>53263389
I'm curious as to how this would react to some of the more esoteric chapters out there.

Primaris Black Dragons, anyone?

>>53263407
Yeah, but grots are far from the average CC unit used by Orks, or their equivalent in anybody's armies for that matter. I think all armies that focus on CC are going to get some pretty nice bonuses in the coming edition.

Are all Primaris marines based on Guilliman geneseed?

>>53263374
>>53263419
once upon a time my strategy for beating a friend's necrons was to shoot missiles at them all day every day, since the S8 shooting denied them the We'll Be Back roll. I learned to ignore the Monolith and Nightbringer since they were slow and did not count towards the phase out total. Then he got some more destroyers and things got really interesting.

I wonder how flakk missiles will be.

Either way I've stripped the old paint off all my missile launcher marines, and they are coming back, one way or another.

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>>53263172
Tfw fearless is worse than ATSKNF

>>53263434
Apparently there are other Primarch's as well.

>>53263434
No, someone literally JUST posted the quote that confirms they're from every Primarch, holy shit.

>>53263401
>>53263426
I agree. If it was anywhere it would fall under Fly, but Fly seems like it's going to be a very generic keyword for literally anything that flies, or at least cover things like Jump and jet pack infantry. It'll probably say that they can move over terrain while also having this new Hit & Run.

I doubt it'll lead to Jump infantry suddenly being able to leap away in the assault phase though.

Also, I'm starting to expect Jetbikes will have that rule too, though for Reavers and Shining Spears it's at least fitting.

>>53263389
I just love numarines because I could use their legs for the wulfen instead of the wolf paws shit

>>53262352
I don't think he meant "truescale," but they have changed the size a little. Compare RT era to early plastic to modern plastic and they increase in size over time.

They real problem is the fact that they have so many interchangeable parts between all SM kits that having a new, different sized one would throw everything off (unless they did it all at once which would cost lots of money).

>>53263286
>>53263393
White Scars is what I was thinking, too.

>>53263289
Ultramarines was up there, although I feel like I'd have more fun with White Scars, anyhow.

Thanks, anons.

>>53263462
Yeah, until they release official Primaris Space Wolves that are literally furries.

>>53263435
I'm assembling some Missile Devs right now, since I got some legion style ones I really like the look of.

I feel like with Split Fire they'll be quite nice, since that allows even more versatility within the squad.

I'm curious what Flakk missiles will be though.

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>>53263463
I expect primaris marines to stick around for two codex's, and then be phased out and they'll just have NuMarines replacing the entire line by that point. Then they'll just remove Primaris Marines from the codex and say they all died after Guillimans death.

>>53263479
Those are the wulfen anon, you can't go beyond that anon.

>>53263479
Brother my geneseed is flawed.
I wish I still had that strip.

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>>53263489
>they all died after Guillimans death.
Slaanesh wants to corrupt and have sex with Guilly you stupid whore, only Khorne, Mortarion and Magnus want to kill him.

>>53262831
Did you see that in their rules? Cos i sure didnt so get fucked Ld6 means those ablative wounds are gonna go poof after one turn of taking damage

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>>53263441
>Fearless will prevent you from disengaging CC again
Enjoy being stuck with dreadnaughts

>>53263495
That's what you think.

>>53263535
The battleshock shit could be under the <drones> keyword

Would anyone explain why Magnus and Guilliman were fighting In Gathering Storm?

Yes I am eventually going to read through them I've just been out for awhile and curious why Magnus would even bother with the Ultramarines?

>>53263592
Primarch vs primarch hype. They couldn't wait for the time they had models for more appropriate match up.

>>53263324
IC can only be shot if he's the closest unit, unless the shooting unit has sniper. Charge your support unit first, then charge IC.

>>53263592
Magnus wanted to have revenge on dad and invade Terra. Bob was around with opposite intention.

>>53263605
Lame but understandable.

>>53263626
>Magnus wanted to have revenge on dad and invade Terra.
If Magnus wanted to invade Terra he'd just open another warp portal. Unless somehow they waved away that he already overpowered the Emperors wards in 30k.

When will Shadow War get a good progression system? What's the incentive for a team that's played 2-3 games to go against a team that's played 7-8?

I wish there was XP and/or an Underdog/Giantkiller bonus.

The balance sucks.

>>53263649
He wanted to smash trough Webway gate in Imperial Palace itself.

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>>53263655
>shadow war

I hate to break it to you anon but Shadow War was a fluke. It's a quick board game cash grab that got popular but with 8th around the corner we're not likely to see anything added to it. Now if it was more like Bloodbowl you'd have a chance.

>>53263614
Only in the shooting phase.

>there is a rule in the Shooting phase that means you can’t target a Character unless they are the closest enemy model.

I was just finishing my Taunar and ready to start my deathwatch. Now fucking new marines invalidate them from a lore perspective. Fuck this I feel dirty for even buying marine stuff.

Probably going to burry them in a dump somewhere and just not even fuck aroudnd with knowing the dw will never get new models.

At least it was just a kill team, Corvus, and librarian.

>>53263739
>dw will never get new models
nigger they literally just fucking came out from a production persepctive
of course they're not going to get new models soon

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>Warhammer: Not AoS eventually comes out
>Manlets are forgotten and truescale becomes canon space marines
>Idiots who kept buying old models get shafted thinking the retarded primaris lore isnt just a placeholder

>>53263739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQN9rO_S908

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>>53263528
>tfw instead of killing Guilliman, Fulgrim seduces him.
For real tho Fulgrims gonna kill him, again.
Killing Primarchs is sorta his thing.

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>>53263544
Well, at least Ill be able to wound them.
Daemonette rending is probably gonna be pretty obnoxious against them.

>>53263761
Other rumours alongside the rumours of new marines said the old range will NEVER get new models. All of them turned out to be true so far. I'm. To doubling down like a fucking moron and denying the inevitable.

>>53263784
Fulgrim is a fag

t.Khorne

>>53263739
>My marine are getting new kit every fucking year, fucking GW.

That's the thing only marinefag can say.

The local WAACfag is eyeing numarines because he thinks SM will be OP next ed. Do you agree?

Never doubling down like a moron fucking touch screens man. *

>>53263810
Nah.
They are probably very point costly so doubt it.

>>53263810
Their infantry has had a pretty hard nerf to their boltguns. But new muhreens may fill the slack of costed well.

Overall, probably still be good.

>>53263810
They're the newest models, of course they're gonna be top tier.

>>53263810
No, I expect the 8e launch to be the most balanced the game has ever been. They're coming out with new rules for all the factions at the same time right? I expect the most powerful army to remain Eldar because GW had refused to say they're nerfing the wraithknight.

>>53263824
Well if 'power points' are anything to go off they're cheaper then rubric marines lol.

>>53263831
They don't need to be, in a few years the entire SM line will have been replaced with them and we know it. GW's making them a unit to warn us that our SM armies are going to be outdated eventually. I say we have atleast five years to make our entirely new marine armies.

>>53263810
Not really. Numarines seem okay, but 2 wounds and -1 AP might not be too much if they're more expensive and can't get special weapons.

The loss of formations also hits marines pretty hard. Grav weapons also probably won't be as crazy.

Right now, it's really just too tough to call without seeing more point costs.

>>53263810
How did it work out for Orks with their nobz? Sometimes quantity has a quality all of its own.

>>53263840
Still dont know how that shit works yet.

>tick Inquisition box (13 results)
>tick Space Marine box (112 results)

Life is not fair.

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>>53263840
>>53263831
We've already seen their stats, they're just 2w 2a space marines.

>>53263840
Look more closely. Rubric marines are 8 power base, but every extra 5 models are only 6. That 2 point difference is just the Sorcerer that comes with the squad.

Numarines are costed similarly to Rubrics, who are both more expensive than baseline tacticals at 5 points. By rough estimates, they're going to be 16 points minimum, maybe 20 per model tops.

>>53263860
Power points seem to just be vague costs for narrative and open games, so you have a rough idea of what's an even matchup.

>>53263834
Anything currently OP that was glossed over in the hype articles is something that is definitely getting nerfed. Those are the things they're not going to talk about because they're trying to excite the players of that Faction to buy the other stuff, not piss them off.

Riptides, Scatbikes, Wraithknights, all definitely nerfbatted.

>>53263712
I imagine it'll have more armies added, but it's definitely gonna take a back seat to 8e.

>>53263868
We haven't seen what their special weapons do or how aggressively points-costed they are.

>>53263270
Who said JSJ is gone?

>>53263863
And in a next few years if GW ever gonna release a new inquisitor kit, it'd probably be a monopose lazy as fuck kit with 0 option, and sell for 40$.

>>53263897
They're said normal space marines are gonna be 13 (Which is ludicrous) so I expect them to be 18, 19, maybe 20?

>>53263768

Then you'd have the same units with a lower profile.
Perfect for those who like to model for advantage.

>>53263739
>Now fucking new marines invalidate them from a lore perspective.
but they're not. DW are still going to be the elite experienced veterans of marines.

primaris marines won't have been around long enough to compete for that.

>>53263875
>That 2 point difference is just the Sorcerer that comes with the squad.
And the sorcerer is trash anyway so jokes on the TSons. Again.

>>53263907
>Not modeling your own inquisitor and retinue
IShygddt

>>53263834
You can't spam Wraithknights so who cares? D-weapons and scatbikes are obviouslly gonna be nerfed.

>>53263920
Primaris marines are probably also just a temporary thing and in two editions will be gone from the rules and fluff once they replace the entire SM line with them.

>>53263899
It's obvious. The game is being streamlined down. Run moves are now done in the Movement phase, models which are supposed to be faster now just have a higher Movement stat. JSJ is not going to be a thing.

>>53263946
Imagine the salt when marines are wiped out and "reinforced" by numarines

What is the most likely Berserker statline?

>>53263921
Depends on the Tzeentch table, though if you consider 1 point of that is his force weapon and the other point is his psyker level, he seems discounted at least. Maybe around 25 points rather than the 40 he's floating at now?

But I digress, this is more about the fact that Numarines are going to cost close to 1ksons on an individual basis. Not exactly a cheap upgrade to tacticals.

>>53263850
day one this is likely to be as balanced as 40ks ever been. Theyve done more playtesting and have invloved the kind of tourny players that are good at spotting broken shit.

of GW can keep it up as they start doing 8e codexs will remain to be see.

>>53263954
Lmfao, I doubt GW would do it but that'd funny. One way or another the primaris marines are going to replace the entire model line tho.

>>53263956
WS3+ BS3+ S4 T4 W1 A1 LD7

>>53263948
>implying taudar won't have special rules to jsj anyway
>>53263965
playtesting doesn't mean shit. All the worst games have been playtested

>>53263920
Everyone is getting replaced by them anon. EVERYONE. It's mandatory obsolescence. It's going to be a slow death though. They don't want to upset the poor deluded space marine fans too much.

>>53263927
>Not wanting new-CAD design kit over Frankenstein monster kitbashing.

>>53263946
>Primaris marines are probably also just a temporary thing and in two editions will be gone from the rules and fluff once they replace the entire SM line with them.
By which you mean, regular Marines are now a temporary thing and will be gone in two editions once the Primaris Marines have replaced them entirely.

>>53263965
I'm hopeful, but I'm still wary. The good news is that since point costs are going to be separate and more constantly updated, it should be pretty easy for them to fix up any really glaring stuff quickly.

I don't care if they get it perfect day 1. I care if they care about it afterwards.

>>53263956
same as a marines but with 2A.

>>53263961
>Depends on the Tzeentch table
Why? Its says he knows smite and he cant even cast it properly. Why are you expecting him to be able to cast other spells?

>>53263976
>>53263991
B-But they said they were buffing them... And they're WS5 right now.

>>53263976
Probably some special rule to help hitting in close combat, they have to have at least 2 attacks and Im guessing like 4 on the charge. Also they're currently LD8 and I doubt that will change.

>>53263986
what are you on about?
the GW gestapo aren't going to come along and burn all your older marine scupts. You'll be able to use the minis forever, they'll just eventually stop getting sold like all the other marine sculpts.

>>53263977
>>implying taudar won't have special rules to jsj anyway
Eldar probably will with Battle Focus, unless that's been simplified to simply be "can shoot after Advancing" instead of "can shoot then Advance OR Advance then shoot"

Tau will almost definitely not have it since it's not listed on the Drone page. Unless it's part of the Fly keyword but somehow I doubt that.

>>53264008
Now that its just a die roll to hit I doubt much will get a 2+ to hit. Maybe youll get to reroll to hit on the first round of combat or something?

>>53264008
they're likely to be WS3+ in 8e. buffs wil come from cheaper price and/or special rules.

They mentioned that WS2+ will be rare, for things like the swarmlord, whos WS9 in 7e. I bet Kharn himself will get the 2+, but not berserkers.

>>53264011
The oldmarines are not going to get much if any more rules support from this point forward, though. If you want any new releases, it'll be Primaris, Primaris, Primaris. The fluff will focus on the Primaris, the new Space Marine model releases will be exclusively Primaris.

Your oldMarines will still be technically playable in 2 editions the same way Sisters of Battle have been playable the last 4, but they'll never be properly supported again.

>>53263994
Because the way it works in AoS is that the rules for who can take what spells is attached to the discipline and not the unit.

>>53264015
There's a reason why they didn't show everything. Drones probably only jump with the model they're attached to, not by themselves.

>>53264029
That's just the Hatred rule and most chaos units already had it. I was thinking they'd get 2A and some FnP equivalent.

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using your younger self from 15 years ago as a source of model acquisition has its downsides sometimes

where in the hell is the 10th jump pack?