ITT: Purchases you immediately regretted

>>53261385
Also the "Art" is ugly as sin. This seems to be stylistic choice in OSR and OSR related products. If you are an author in the OSR movement, stop it! Seriously, hideous artwork is something I am most definitely NOT nostalgic for.

>>53261385
So you gonna upload it or did you just make a thread for no reason

>>53261477
Not for no reason. I just figured I'd save you $8.

>>53261385
>This is just one in a long line of purchases that have really soured me on the whole "Old School Renaissance" movement. The OSR label just seems to be an excuse to slap together a bunch of unrelated random generator tables, stitch them onto a barely functional ruleset and offload all of the work onto the DM.

Hint: All that shit is exactly what all "old school" RPGs were, to a T, and anybody who wants to play them either has their rose-tinted glasses firmly stapled to their eyesockets or they're some kid who wasn't even born during the heydey of these games and were convinced by some grey-bearded old faggot that they were the pinnacle of gaming achievement.

>>53261385
>This is just one in a long line of purchases that have really soured me on the whole "Old School Renaissance" movement. The OSR label just seems to be an excuse to slap together a bunch of unrelated random generator tables, stitch them onto a barely functional ruleset and offload all of the work onto the DM.

It's like the aristocrats joke, but you say Dungeon Crawl Classics at the end instead!

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>>53261385
http://kaiserkabuki.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-end-of-cycle-and-new-hope.html
http://knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14573

>>53262381
I'm not reading that shit, tl;dr it for me faggot

>>53262422
First one is a grampa's rant.
Second is about what is OS and the fact that if it's not OS, you don't get to call it OS by stapling an R in the end.

>>53261385
>I'm aware of the controversy surrounding it,
I'm not, and Googling isn't doing much. Tell me more.

>>53261566
Old school D&D is the lingua franca of role-playing games. I mean, D&D in general is, but the newer stuff tends to be a lot more involved and thus more particular and less malleable. You can use B/X as a foundation to build on, and everybody will know where you're coming from. You start talking about your homebrew game and it's going to take you a good while to explain enough that other people even have the context in which to understand some particular rule or issue. If you're not doing something dungeon-crawly, it's probably still not worth it (D&D is a niche game and doesn't tend to work very well outside of that niche), but if you are, it's not a bad idea to speak a language people are already familiar with.

>>53262705
I too want to hear of the controversy around this game.

>>53262579

Grampa's not even ranting about anything *about* OSR games, he's literally just upset that they're not D&D.

I mean literally.

>So much garbage has been lumped under the umbrella definition of "OSR" that I've lost track. Games that inexplicably seem to draw in gore porn, regular porn, put there just for shock value (anything James Raggi does, for example, or the execrable "Carcosa" by Geoffery Mckinney), or games that are story-games in drag, or are inspired by 4e and 3e rules systems just with "Old School style x" somewhere in the description...they're not. I'm sorry, they're not.

>When we're talking about Dungeons & Dragons, do you know what is old-school? Dungeons & Dragons. AD&D, Original D&D, the various flavors of Basic D&D. Even 2nd Edition AD&D. Those are. Them. They Are It.

> So let me be one hundred percent, entirely crystal clear on the subject so there's no mistaking my point of view: You are either playing D&D, old-school, or you're not.

He doesn't actually draw up any coherent argument against the "OSR" in general other that it's just not Dungeons & Dragons. He kind of flirts with parts of arguments, calling some games "story-games in drag" and bizarrely calling out LotFP for shocking content--but nothing else--which I guess is enough to disqualify it in his book anyway.

The other article is just a dude shit talking on Zak Smith. Smith's an asshole, so whatever, but that article's not really saying much about OSR other than "Zak Smith isn't it, and also fuck that guy."

Interestingly, he also mentions Carcosa, which was explicitely name-dropped in the other article as *not* OSR, as one of the O.G. OSR games.

Nobody fucking knows what they're talking about. There's no "Old Guard". There's no "real" OSR. Creating cliques within an umbrella as niche as OSR is wankery. Some OSR games are good, some are bad, just like any other subgenre of tabletop RPGs.

>>53262705
>>53262808

It's distinctly an very tongue-in-cheek adult game.

>>53261566

Don't forget the eggheads who live for anal retentive detail. I'm in a game run by a literal professor and he seems to thrive on having details for the details and it boggles my mind

>>53261385
>>53262960
So is this just Machinations of the Space Princess but shittier?

>>53262937
please don't turn this into an OSR thread....

please don't turn this into an OSR thread....

please don't turn this into an OSR thread....

please don't turn this into an OSR thread....

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There's this special flavor of garbage called Post Modern art.
It's kind of hard to describe without explaining Modern art, so we'll start there.

When art got to the point where there was no technical advancement left to invent the cutting edge artists got bored.
And being bored learned men, they mistook themselves for philosophers. This led to Bad Decision. Law of the Instrument and all that.
>These are the mistakes that are made on the cutting edge, because it's easy to slip and cut off your legs from the knees down. -Yahtzee
These new christened psilophers immediately set out to nail down the meaning of "art."

They did this by drawing simpler and simpler arrangements of colored boxes that obeyed image composition rules, showing people toilets, and generally trying to get people to punch them in the face.
The idea was that, at some point, what they were doing would stop being art. And when they got told off for it, they would have found the boundary of art (or at least a nearby datum).
To their horror, they were never told off in their life time.


Enter the Post Modernist:
An entrepreneur realizes you can sell anything by pretending to be a nihilist and then calling it art.
In hushed Hebrew, he quickly tells all his friends.

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>>53263167
>>53262422
Anyways, what I'm getting at is,
>http://kaiserkabuki.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-end-of-cycle-and-new-hope.html
is some guy denouncing Post Modern "artists" for publishing unplayable* garbage.
*unplayable was in, "was not written with use in mind." I'm sure you could force it.

>>53263158
>

>>53263167
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANA8SI_KvqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRWJcrRO0GM

>>53263167
I love how you completely miss the point of that comic.

The point is that these are positions no one actually holds and only people trying to make a boogyman of philosophers they don't understand claim these positions to exist.

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>>53263158
what's a OSR, eddy?

>>53263522
EAT YOUR MATTRESS

>>53263167
>I saw a thing I didn't understand so it must be meaningless!

>>53263548
How much do art degrees cost?

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Hc Svnt Dracones, let me preface:

Now I'm not really what you'd consider a furry, sure I like anthro characters but I don't have a 'fursona', wear a fursuit, and fuck people in fox costumes. I do however have friends who check all three boxes (and more) and as a forever DM they all wanted to play a furry themed RPG. I ended up picking this one because I like Sci-Fi

The system is just broken, the players don't know how to use their skills, and the dice system was simple yet combat was way more complicated than it needed to be. As a forever DM I had at least enough experience to run a game where everyone said they had a fun time, but it was a nightmare to manage. I should have just bough Ironclaw.

FATAL & Friends sums up most of my complaints rather well.
http://projects.inklesspen.com/fatal-and-friends/purplexvi/hc-svnt-dracones/

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>>53263596
This is something I'd definitely see on /d/

>>53263593
>>>/a/157270560

>>53263624
And to think it was once broadcasted on public TV as a kid's show.

>>53263167
It's clear you've done the minimum amount of research on the topic to convince yourself your already existing hate of postmodernism is justified but you also like, literally have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Here's a some food for thought. The entire fucking, concept and community behind 4chan is the result of fucking, a postmodern worldview. It's literally a fucking microcosm of postmodernism. Everything about it, from the way it functions by recontextualizing existing images/media, to entire sense of humor, to the way its culture has shifted from year to year, is fucking postmodern.

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>>53263663

he's right and you're a moron

>>53263581
Considering you referenced Fountain as being a part of post-modern art when it was a staunchly modernist attack on the pretentiousness of the art community as a whole, I'd say they cost more than you can afford.

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>Modern art, so we'll start there

>>pretend philosophy
>>my Toilet is art!
>>whoops

>Enter the Post Modernist:


>>53263713
>Considering you referenced Fountain as being a part of post-modern art

>>53263663
>Here's a some food for thought. The entire fucking, concept and community behind 4chan is the result of fucking, a postmodern worldview. It's literally a fucking microcosm of postmodernism. Everything about it, from the way it functions by recontextualizing existing images/media, to entire sense of humor, to the way its culture has shifted from year to year, is fucking postmodern.
That's a far better (and far more acerbic) criticism of post modernism than the one you replied to. Well done.

>>53261385
Hail Satan! Lord of the Pit! King of Hell! Ruler of the Earth! Master of the Abyss! I open the unknowable doorways and touch the violet flame, drink the revitalizing blood and break the skulls of those who cross Him or His brothers. I call upon the most vicious demons of Hell to intervene. From this night forth, you will be plagued by self-doubt, weakness, failure, hopelessness, hunger, pain, loss, insecurity, and envy. Nothing can save you and no one will come to your aid. All who have befriended you will now desert you in your hour of need.

In the name of the Ancient Ones, I curse those who tear down Empire of Satanis! May Satan have no mercy whatsoever upon your miserable souls.

Hail Satan!
So it is done!

>you bought a product from this idiot

dude's shit and produces shit, but yeah, a lot of the osr is mediocre. the gold is gold though, and in this particular case you really had no-one to blame but yourself because jesus christ.

>>53263838
Anybody who thinks that Satanism or pretending to be a Satanist is still an edgy thing to do that pisses off Evangelicals is severely out of touch with the times. It's like watching a fat old grey bearded white guy prancing around everywhere in bell-bottoms.

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>>53263713
I think you'll find the subtext of this piece to be an absolute perfect rebuttal to your argument.

>>53263663
That in itself is a good enough argument that postmodernism is a shit way of thinking

>>53263862
He was so satanic he claimed the church of satan kicked him out, for being too satanic

he also got banned from rpgnet for casting the previously-quoted spell on someone who gave him a bad review, which was hilarious and fully deserved

>>53263086
Seems so

>>53263792
The peak of technical advancement in art is the neoclassical period. Modern art covers the last half of the 19th century and about half of the 20th century.

"Enter the Post Modernist" is a self-reference, as the poster does not define post-modern, even in a chronological sense, nor assigns it any features, instead making an unsubtle reference to Jews while criticizing the concept of the art market, which has existed forever.

Basically, "post-modern sucks but you can't criticize my interpretation because I'm a post-modernist."

>>53263862
> It's like watching a fat old grey bearded white guy prancing around everywhere in bell-bottoms.

An apt metaphor for everything about Venger. His total lack of self-awareness might be his most defining trait.

>>53263086
It's a 'funny' amd 'sexy' space opera game in the vein of 1970s british sex comedies. That is painfully unfunny and even less sexy.

To give a sample of the humor: There's a random chart for generating Monty Python references. That's the level we are dealing with here.

>>53263866
Take your Facebook memes elsewhere.

>>53263936
There's a point where the joke has become real. This is the consequence of trolling.

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>>53264105
>The peak of technical advancement in art is the neoclassical period.
They didn't paint their sculptures. Which is missing the whole point of classical.

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>>53261385
Anything by "Venger Satanis" is guaranteed to be a shit show. Everything I've read by him is sub-par. "How to GM Like a Mother Fucking Boss" read like he went around to ever blog about GMing advice and regurgitated their lists. Adds nothing new to the craft.

The best part about him though is if you leave anything short of a 5-star review on any of his products, he gets all butt hurt and throws a tantrum all over G+ about it. He's constantly on there crying about DriveThruRPG is unjustly censoring him.

>>53263016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm5OhAB_p04

>>53263838
CURSE YE HAM E HA

SO IT IS DONE, MARY LEE WALSH

>>53263663
>Everything about it, from the way it functions by recontextualizing existing images/media, to entire sense of humor, to the way its culture has shifted from year to year, is fucking postmodern.
That's how the world always worked, except you didn't notice because countries are gigantic communities and change happens slowly.

>>53263830
>>53263919
And that is perfect proof of what he wrote.

>>53264383
>that stock quote
It's especially common in communities devoted to hating and ridiculing something for no good reason, because the lack of any critical value in their mockery makes it very easy for "idiots" to mistake them for people who simply enjoy thing and genuinely lack the irrational grudges that make their mockery seem valid.

>>53263167
DuChamp's urinal and Interior Semiotics ARE art, they're just shitty art.

And people don't buy shitty art because they find it aesthetically pleasing, they literally do it because it makes people like you mad.

>>53261385
>HIT POINT BLOAT

I don't think you know what that is if you think it's a thing.

The only idiots who believe in that are the sort who think HP lets a guy get stabbed in the neck and not care, when that's not what's happening at all.

>>53264887
Not everything, the Island of Purple Haunted Putrescence was actually kind of decent. It was blatantly unfinished, but it at least had a foundation of good ideas.

Alpha Blue is just pure dogshit, however.

Also, fuck OneBookShelf for this censorship debacle.

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>>53266588
you're conflating meat points with HP bloat

HP bloat is where characters' health pools grow to the point where combat is either sluggish and takes forever because damage values are too low to make a significant impact OR is incredibly unbalanced between characters with differing levels because damage values scale with health and therefore facing characters even a couple levels higher than yourself is suicidal at best.

the idea of meat points does interact with this (because a character may be able to take 20+ arrows before he starts feeling it) but they're separate concepts, and hp bloat has an actual mechanical effect to it.

ultimately it's a balance thing, rather than a fluff thing.

>>53263593
>running a furfag game for furfags
You deserved all you got

>>53266902
>censorship debacle

Desire to know more intensifies.

>>53263645
Honestly I laughed at that gag for 20 minutes straight when I saw it as a kid. He just fucking eats the mattress!

>>53263593
In my experience it's better to just get a generic sci-fi RPG with alien creation rules like Traveller and have people build their species from there.
Albedo is also an option.

>>53263872
I like how it resembles a 4, as in 4chan. The lines extend outwards, representing freedom and anarchy, while the fact that it's tilted to the left (and not the right, which would've made it an italic) summarize the aintiestablishmentarianism subtext scattered all over this site.

Moreover, I can appreciate how the title represents that OP is a faggot.

>>53268267
"Venger" keeps making erotic RPGs and then complains when a site that has specific guidelines adheres to said guidelines and takes down his dick games.

>>53270698
>>53268267
Not really.

Drive Thru RPG has no set guidelines. Weather or not a title is banned is entirely subjective and up to staff discretion.

Alpha Blue was taken down, but after a firestorm of criticism, One Book Shelf backed off and reinstated it. This makes me wonder if they have quietly stopped enforcing their "offensive content policy" which would be step in the right direction.

I'm torn between not buying Alpha Blue because it's a terrible, terrible product and buying it knowing this anyway to tell censorious SJWs to fuck off.

>>53270821
>I'm torn between not buying Alpha Blue because it's a terrible, terrible product and buying it knowing this anyway to tell censorious SJWs to fuck off.
Would you like to buy my product and/or service? SJWs hate it, and me, and you (if you buy it).

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>>53270821
Yeah that seems like a good use of your money. Maybe buy a few copies, just to drive the message home.

>>53264168
>space opera game in the vein of 1970s british sex comedies.

>is painfully unfunny and even less sexy.

So it did emulate the genre, at least.

Is his name seriously Venger? Like from the dungeons and dragons cartoon?