Why do you intend to keep playing this game?

>>53250512
I don't. Everything GW have shown regarding 8th tells me that I'm just not the target audience any more. Which is sad - this is a game I've played for over 15 years, that I've put an enormous amount of love and energy into - but whatever. Times change. I'm going to move on to something else.

>>53250512
Because I love 40K and it looks like it's going to be better than 7th.

>>53250512
Because it's finally, for once, getting better

>>53250512
>Movie Marines
>Imperium Secundus
Wtf? This can't be real.

>>53250541
I had the opposite reaction for the most part. I jumped ship around 6th. And I'm tempted to come back, in all honesty.

What about 8th, so far turned you off to it?

>>53250512
I have survived the change to 3E which dumbed down the game incredibly from a 1E player POV. After a hiatus I returned. So I am not shocked. In fact, I welcome the partial return to 1E mechanics (saving throw modifiers).

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>>53250620
Don't worry anon, OP is a fag, real image here

>>53250636
i'm guessing he is a muhreens player and is afraid of primaris marines becoming the standard for them.

>>53250620
It is, despite what little shit stains like >>53250683 would try to tell you

>>53250683
Thanks, anon.

>>53250728
>>53250620
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-gaming-may15gw-homepage-post-4/

Offical post here, if you don't believe me

>>53250683
Kind of wish the OP was right. 6 Toughness and Strength was too much, but 5, and the rest would have been cool.

I'm alright with a slow transition to true-scale movie marines. it's not like you couldn't use the old models with the new rules.

Not a Muhreen player though.

>>53250767
T5 and 2+ save would make them strictly better than Terminators, which would be kinda dumb

>>53250757
tryhard faggot

>>53250840
I apologise for having read the rules anon, I'll try not to do so in future

(1/10 I replied)

>>53250805
Yeah the 2+ is probably a but much. Unless they make primus terminators or something. I could see a 5-6+ invul or Feel no pain sort of thing.

>>53250636
>What about 8th, so far turned you off to it?

I strongly dislike the changes they're making to the rules. Age of Sigmar really didn't work for me at all and almost all of the 8th edition previews have been lifted straight from it. There's some good points - bringing back the Movement stat, and the stratagem system replacing Formations, for example - but the general simplification of the rules is a huge disappointment. I like complexity.

The fluff is also going in directions I don't like. The overwhelming focus on the Imperium fighting Chaos holds very little appeal, and the general tone is become more heroic, more larger-than-life. The surreal, nightmarish atmosphere that drew me into the setting is being lost.

>>53250704
The only Imperial army I play is Admech. Everything else is one flavour or another of Xenos.

>>53250512
because I find everything they leaked so far to be an improvement over 7th.

>>53251008
>general tone is become more heroic, more larger-than-life. The surreal, nightmarish atmosphere that drew me into the setting is being lost.
I could see that. I think that's been going on for quite a while though. With a goody two shoe faction being added in, and Necrons losing tehir scary unknowableness to become zany space pharaohs.


Haven't played AoS, but I've liked the non-setting changes so far. With more rules getting shifted from USR to Data Sheets, I don't think it's actually loosing any complexity.

I knida like the datasheets too, it's easier to show an opponent the cards for what you brought than, hand them your army book, and rely on memory.

>>53251214
>and Necrons losing tehir scary unknowableness to become zany space pharaohs.

>Complain about Oldcrons not having enough personality and customisation options
>GW fixes that
>teegee complains anyways

There is to pleasing some people.

Why play dinky marines when you can play T'au?

>>53251229

>>53251276
I always thought the complainers were dumb. It's meant to be a scary, vast, uncaring universe. Old crons fit the bill

>>53250512
Because I'm getting releases for my favorite armies soon.

>>53250512
Inertia and sunk costs.

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>>53251358
But they had the same problem Tyranids did, anon.

They were boring.

>>53251276
No one wanted "myeh" skeletor personality.

When people want something, they want it to be good.

>>53252000
Yeah, it turns out an army with only 2 choices per slot can get dull quick. Model releases were all they needed

>>53252000
The Tyranids were boring? When? In 4th? 4th edition was the last time Tyranids were any good. After that they lost all their options and you had to take them as they came. Also 5th edition was about how well the other factions stomped Tyranid ass, rather than about how everyone was struggling to understand Tyranids and constantly being surprised by the changes they'd make to win wars.

Necrons were dull because every army was nothing but double Monolith with Warrior parade back then.

>>53252116
They are just dumb purple bugs, no characters, no motives, nothing to root for or care about, yawn

they exist only to be gunned down en mass by the heroes to show how badass they are.

>>53250541
>not just continuing to play the edition you like the most

People like you are the fucking worst. Quick to throw your toys out of the pram when you see something you dont like.

>>53250512
Well the rules seem to become a lot better... I mean lets be frank the 7th edition rules are not that great...

>>53253252
>accidentally revealing that you are british
kek shameful

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>>53253341
Dont be jealous anon, we can't all be perfect.

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>>53250512
i survived Age of Sigmar and grown to somewhat enjoy it, this change is nothing to me.

>caring about fluff in a game

The fuck is wrong with you people? Mechanics are what matters.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/a-new-breed-of-hero-may15gw-homepage-post-1/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-faq-may15gw-homepage-post-2/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-gaming-may15gw-homepage-post-4/

Where's post 3?

>>53254208
Fluff is the main appeal. If you want mechanics, play a game where hobbying isnt the foundation.

>>53254496
What the book says doesn't change gluing instructions.

Fluff is meaningless as a key chain being waved at you.

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>>53250512
Im so bord with your stupid shill type questions of 40k that im not even really going to respond.

>>53255251
>Everyone who likes something is a shill

I've already got painted models. At this point it won't cost me anymore to keep using them, so why wouldn't i?

>>53250512
Because, as a Blood Angels player, I've always wanted something a little better than a Tactical Marine for my Troops. If it all pans out right, I think I will pick up a set to use in addition to my Tactical Squad and Cassor (if he stays a Troop). If Cassor stops being a Troop, I'll probably pick up two to fill out my Battalion Detachment.

>>53255412
Wanting other people to like what you like makes you a shill. Lying about what you like to get other people to like it is being a shill.
Here endeth the lesson.

because orkz are fun to convert, i sometimes win too

>>53255645
Getting paid to support something while pretending you aren't is what actually makes you a shill. See: YouTubers.

>>53255645
I would say that wanting people to like what you like is just being enthusiastic. If you liked something, why wouldn't you want other people to like it too? More fun all around

>>53254496
>Fluff is the main appeal.
And yet 40k fluff is some of the most irredeemable garbage this side of Sonic fandom.

>>53250683
This isn't really impressive for what they hyped them up to be.

>>53255754
If they make them too strong they start getting too expensive points-wise to form the basis of an army. Plus Custodes are still there if you want something even more elite. I think they made a good choice.

>>53255754
Yeah, but it's effectively Vets asTroops for everyone which is pretty good. Plus they said Tactical Marines are cheaper and there will be more kinds besides these leading me to believe whatever new marines they make with these will mean the previous versions (like Stern or Assault) will be cheaper too.

>>53255723
Heresy!

>>53253485
>These rules are kind of funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, gets so you depend on them. That's institutionalized. They send you here for life, that's exactly what they take. The part that counts, anyways.

>>53255645
>play a game that needs multiple people to play
>be enthusiastic about it to entice more players
>"SHIIIIIIIIILL"

I fucking hate this place

>>53256794
Welcome to modern /tg/. Enjoy your stay.

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i dont like the aesthetic of 8ths warscrolls or whatever their equivalent is called.they look like they were designed as tooltip popups for some sort of 40k video game port.

AoS scrolls look way nicer, like something actually meant to be printed and read in a book.

>>53250512
Yes? I, nor any of my friends, play any variant of space marine. This doesn't affect us in the slightest.

>>53251008
>and the general tone is become more heroic, more larger-than-life.
what the fuck? 40k is like the most bombastic setting anyone could possibly come up with

>>53255707
>>53256794
It's your lies that I don't abide. Tell the truth, don't lie. But y'all gotta lie and suck people in. Weak.
It's a shitty game with shitty rules and shitty miniatures. It's all a con. And now the con is: bigger better figures! Because every three year old wants a bigger, shinier, tougher thing than his friends have......pathetic.

>>53256963
>your opinions are lies
maybe if you cry long and hard enough they'll drown in your tears you pathetic retard

>>53255754
The hype is entirely there because they don't want to just say "we are relaunching space marines to be slightly larger" since they obviously think that will piss off more people, considering how salty some people got from simply changing the base on regular marines to the next size up.

>>53256963
Sad.

>>53257003
Wow, you sure showed him!

>>53256963
Imagine being this autistic

>>53250512
>they actually made "super-marines" because they finally decided to bring the scale for marines somewhat in line

Fucking GW man, people wanted a better scale, not super-movie-marines; fuckity-fuck-fuck.

>>53257003
>>53257117
>>53257142
>back-pedalling shills

>>53250512
Because armies that aren't Tau or Eldar will have a chance to win now in 8th.

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>>53257210
You clearly don't know what you want.

>>53256794
Hide, ignore. It's the same troll who tries to shit on every 40k thread since last week.

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>>53257266
>shilling this hard

>>53257292
Sorry, son - that ain't me. Stop assuming everyone who objects to shit is the same person.....not all of us are nine, kiddo.

>>53257292
He's been doing it for longer than that.

Some people are genuinely pathetic.

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>>53250512

Fucking lol at the photoshopped stats.

Newmarines don't make a lot of sense- what, they'll be fulfilling the exact same tactical role that normal space marines do, with the same base size, and similar equipment.

They just look like normal marines with different armor and longer guns. I don't get the point. Oh, maybe it's because GW wants people to buy shit and they're pretty much creatively bankrupt at this point.

>>53250683

Y'know what? If this is real, I'm fucking fine with it. This is exactly how I've always thought marines should play. These guys are perfect for "your dudes" special fluffy squad.

>>53257366
>people have been asking for better looking marines for years
>GW gives people better looking marines
>???
>profit

And yes - GW is SELLING them. A toy company which asks money for their products ? The absolute madmen.

But it is a good thing that no one is forcing you to buy them if you don't want them, eh ?

>>53257499
Stop telling us how businesses work you obvious shill!!!!!!

>>53255645
Wanting other people to dislike what you dislike makes you cancer. Consistently posting about what you don't like and making shit-tier b8 like this makes you shitposting cancer. Here endeth the lesson.

I don't like everything in 8th and haven't bought anything geedubs in the longest time and I can still tell you're just autisticly buttmad about replacing your flavourless smurfs somewhere down the line. Wanna change hobbies? ask what other good games you might wanna get into and move on.

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>>53257499

Sound, and I guess a business as large as GW is generally going to try to do analysis of their market and make things people will want to buy. Maybe people will love them.

I still don't like newmarines though, just my opinion.

I think that having multiple things that are just slight variations of each other that have the exact same tactical role is lame. I'd have preferred something I haven't seen, like maybe some kind of mecha, tank, or something that looks totally new. Or a new troop choice that has some kind of cool new style or special design. Not just a bigger version of something we already have with a new hat and gun.

The newmarine and the oldmarine look similar enough that without really close scrutiny they could be confused for each other. I'm not looking forward to playing with some tfg who mixes up his newmarines and oldmarines or deliberately kitbashes in a way where you can't tell which marines are which. The whole thing is super laaame imo.

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>>53257743
Those are fair points. I understand that you are not interested in those new-marines and, yes, GW could have proposed something a little more interesting than only slightly bigger marines for starting 8th edition.

Maybe later releases will include more interesting shiny toys. We'll see.

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>>53257366
>creatively bankrupt

Don't mind the rules changes.

Absolutely hate everything about numarines. It's centurions & dread knights again but worse fluff.

>>53255251
Just how fucking salty are the GW haters these days?
How fucking furious are you guys that you switched to another, supposedly better game, only to realize you got rused?
How fucking hilarious is it that GW is actually giving a fuck about the rules while telling WAAC fags to get lost?

What a time to be alive.

>>53250512
Cause the lemmings let me pick up armies for peanuts.

>>53257743
>The newmarine and the oldmarine look similar enough that without really close scrutiny they could be confused for each other. I'm not looking forward to playing with some tfg who mixes up his newmarines and oldmarines or deliberately kitbashes in a way where you can't tell which marines are which.

Aren't the megamarines sigmarine sized? They'll be hard to confuse with regular muhreens if that's the case.

But yeah this is rather lame. GW should have just replaced their Space Marine range with these guys if they wanted to truescale, not gone with this weak ass compromise.

>>53258366
Well they've given the option of either running a completely nu-marine only army or one with both nu-marines and old marines, so as not to alienate those who have spent thousands over the years building up their armies.

Completely replacing their best selling range is terrible business and alienates longstanding customers

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>>53258325
>How fucking furious are you guys that you switched to another, supposedly better game, only to realize you got rused?

Dropzone/fleet, Infinity and Warmahordes still look like they'll have better rules than 8th Ed.

It's nice to know that I can dust off my 40K and play some games now, though. The other games I play are great, and now 40K is looking to be fun again too. This is a win-win for me, really.

The only real losers here are people who insisted on solely playing GW games during the hell of 6th-7th edition, rather than ducking out until the company started to learn to be cool again.

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>>53258325
Shills be gettin' angry, now....calm yer tits, geedubs! Yer game is shit: that's why you hafta remake it every couple years and suck in new dumb kids.
When was the last time they remade or updated Chess? Yeah....that's what I thought..............

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I doubt these will be getting confused

>>53258409
>Completely replacing their best selling range is terrible business and alienates longstanding customers

And it opens up a new avenue for profit, now GW can sell old marines for HH and nuMarines for 40k.

>>53258461
When was the last time anyone had fun playing chess?

>>53258500
Or sell both for 40k and make even more money.

Do me a favour, never start your own business.

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>>53258461
>being this mad over a tabletop game

>>53258459
I was mostly shitting on warmachine players. Infinity is fine, dropzone is as well.

>>53258461
>Chess
There's more that one way to play chess kiddo.
Why not tell us what game you actually play so we can let you know if it's shit or not?

>>53258409
Oh, it's a sound business practice, it's just sort of lame from a fluff perspective.

Does nobody else fine the idea of these grotesquely huge ogre Marines hilarious? Going by >>53258496
they must be at least ten foot tall on average. That's nearly how big Tyranid Warriors are in fluff.

I'm very willing to bet that in all art these guys will be done as normal Marines, because this is clearly just a way for GW to steadily move us toward truescale.

>>53258610
Clearly

>>53258601
I play Warmachine. Ain't nothing wrong with the game, and anyone that moved to it during 7th edition made the objectively correct choice.

Now they have two cool games to play that offer vastly different experiences, playstyles, and fluff.

>>53250683
>7 Ld

What the fuck?

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>>53258496

>>53258795

Leadership is 1d6 now, modified by ded niggas in a squad, so if you lost 3, you have to roll under a 4 to keep going, or more die.

>>53258501
Thanks for coming out, pleb.
>>53258575
Not an argument.
>>53258601
>There's more that one way to play chess kiddo.
There quite literally is not.

Can I use this and still play them as regular marines?

Just for the sake of proportions

>>53257240
literally no-one is back pedalling you absolute spaz

>>53259404
Erm - yes, they are: they have moved from trying to make a point to attacking the point-maker: that's an ad hominem fallacy, attacking the speaker and not the argument: that's back-pedalling, son. Classic.
What you're doing is denial, another classic tactic of the pleb designed to stymie discussion and derail threads.
Fool.

>>53259630

What argument did the person being attacked present? "Dude the game is shit lol" is not in itself an argument.

>>53258662
There's nothing really wrong with the game if you like how it works
The models on the other hand...

>>53259082
>There's more that one way to play chess kiddo.
>There quite literally is not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_variants
90+ variants, that's when I stopped counting
Stay salty kiddo

>>53259720
Warmahordes hasn't had bad model release in quite some time. You should probably stop basing your opinions on decade-old sculpts.

Their studio painters have some room to improve, though.

>>53259246
of course. they're your minis

>>53251008

That guy Tau player detected

>>53251008
You know who unfortunately doesn't like complexity? New players. I didn't get into 40k for years because I took one look at the BRB and codex and realized I'd need to take an extra college course to know it all.

When I can play a game with 2 of my friends, and we each forget half our special rules even after spending 20min flipping through the damn rule book, your game is shit.

>>53259939
Why would a That Tau want formations replaced?

Have you ever actually played 40K?

>>53257743
This is what happens when you have to many choices. Part the reason ultramarines are so unappealing to me vehicle wise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgF2Bf_FYik

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>>53259720
Damn, son! There are many VARIANTS to chess, many UNORTHODOX versions of chess; but there's only ONE ORTHODOX version of Chess.
Huh, who'd'a thought, eh?
Stay dumb, son.

>>53260091
>ted talks
wew

I stopped 40k at the start of 6th. Not bought anything from gw in years. Was tempted to start playing again at start of 7th until I seen just how shit it was.

8th actually looks like fun to me, I always collected orks. These numarines actually look really cool to me. A lot of the stuff gw did recently was very busy with details but I think these look spot on, subtle enough but changed enough to look like new guys. The rules previewed seemed perfectly fair.

I don't understand who is even mad at this? Was anyone actually happy with how 7th edition played?

I defo think the fluff could have been worse too. These look nowhere near as shit as those marines inside suits with spaz drills on them looked.

The whole "shill" calling is total faggotry too. It stinks of /v/ and ousts you as a total newfags to the hobby.

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>>53260690
Thanks, geedubs shill! What else ya got?

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>>53260748

K

You started playing round about dawn of war 2 I'm guessing.

I don't even play, but I might buy a box of numarines to paint. Not even from cheaper 3rd party but actual gw just to spite you.

Yfw numarines holocausted all the neck beards from 40k

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>>53260962
>this butthurt

>>53260639
TedX is really where the wew is at.

>>53260690
>I don't understand who is even mad at this? Was anyone actually happy with how 7th edition played
There are always those who don't like change. They come out of the woodwork every eddition, most of them end up liking the new one eventually anyway. and then hate eveything all over again at the next update.

>>53261229
Keep telling yerself that, geedubs.

>>53261251
hah I wish i really did work for GW.

dem sweet discounts

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>>53250805
>T5 and 2+ save would make them strictly better than Terminators, which would be kinda dumb
why?
the 2 wounds already makes them equal to terminators. 2 wounds is equal to to going from 3+ to 2+

>>53261310
Gotta be a good painter, tho.

>>53261319
terminators have 2 wounds and 2+.

>>53261319
>>53261338
>terminators have 2 wounds and 2+
Plus they also have in invulnerable save, something UltraUltramarines do not.

>>53252014
>No one wanted "myeh" skeletor personality.

Speak for yourself I am now gonna build a nemensor skeletor army

>>53260100
>makes shitty back pedaling argument
>fedora tips

Holy shit, when did /tg/ get this cringe-worthy?

>>53261399
And heavy weapon options. Intercessors are a little more "special" than anyone would have guessed, it seems. They are dynamite at shooting things with bolt rifles and looking cool...

But are legit too stupid to actually use and maintain anything BUT Bolt Rifles and Bolt Pistols.

Also you get 5 of them. No more, no less. You can actually take Termies in larger units. Well, I would assume so. You can if you really want to now.

Their sergeant is also apparently a stupid asshole who cannot actually use ANY sergeant stuff. He doesn't even get a close combat weapon/chainsword, and he can't take anything else. For many purposes a Tactical Sergeant can be strictly better than one just because he can take a lot of swag in terms of upgrades.

>>53261471
>appeal to authority
>ad hominem
Hey, sorry your argument was shit, brah! Only one (1) way to play chess: all that other shit is different games; that's why they call all those different games "chess variants", operative word being 'variants' - which means: to be different from the established norm.
There are lots of different ways to play any game: but there is only one set of official rules, only one 'official' way to play.

Oh, and you don't know how the fedora meme works - lurk moar.

>>53250757
>2 wounds

>Wound Vegicles weaker than a Gorkonaut on 5's

>Only thing worse about them than tacticals is lack of heavy weapons

Thanks gdubs.

>>53250512
>Legions of nu-Primarchs.

Sort of want.

>>53261519

Intercessors are something of a halfway compromise between tactical troops and veteran elites. Say you need a tanky squad of elites to hold the frontline and protect the gunline of tacticals and devastators, but you don't want to use elites on that duty when they can be used better on the offensive.

Intercessors fill that role almost seamlessly. They can take the hits and make a horde think twice about bumrushing their lines. Or they can eat wounds to save the tacticals. The only thing that would make them more appropriate for their role is breacher shields.

>>53251008
As someone who quit 40k mid-way through 4th ed and only watched from the sidelines, 40k long ago ceased to be about complexity, and just got an awful rules indigestion. The core rules are as simplistic as they always were, but formations, superheavies and fliers just added another layer of superficial rules to keep track of. I have no idea how one would even start collecting in 7th edition, and I do have experience with GW.

>all these muhreen fags being butthurt about numarines

Absolutely fucking hilarious.

>>53258459
Dropfleet was the biggest disappointment of the year for me. The land phase is literally all that matters for victory scoring, making the actual ship combat just a distraction from dropping more dudes. Good thing I can use the models for Full Thrust.

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>>53257449
I've been putting together a bunch of drab, dirty Kriegers recently, actually excited about Guillimarines because I can add in a super colorful My Dudes squad of them as truescale SM.

>>53253252
To be fair, not everyone has that option.
If you're the only person in an area that doesn't like the new rules, you're kind of fucked.
>inb4 only waac don't like new rules

>>53256910
I think he's talking about the idea that:
1)good guys are winning more often, and
2)All stories are more focused on specific characters and their actions then on the results of armies and their battles.
Clearly, citation needed on both points, but that seems to be the roots of the argument about the modern aesthetic.

>>53262869
I like the numarines

>>53256684
I dunno, this feels more appropriate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWIVEuK5ATw

>>53263406
Thats a fair point

>>53259630
It's obvious by now that you're a troll, as you always have been (top tip: stop using the same argument in every GW thread, it'll make you less easy to spot), but you are still one of, if not THE most retarded human beings I have ever had the misfortune of interacting with.

>>53251008
it hasn't been a complex game (in the good way) since 2nd edition.

What people call complexity from 3rd-7th is just really awful rules writing and hilariously bloated codex's and supplements

>>53250636
6-7 went overboard with bloat and complexity, 8 goes the opposite way and overdoes it as well - instead of unplayable mess with more rules and bookkeeping than n accauntant convention we're gonna get dumbed down skrimish game foe 13-year olds. The thing that crossed the line for me is that everything that made positioning so important in 40k is ironed out in the new rules.

I plan on using the new Primarines for my Inquisition Army. I'll use parts from the Deathwatch Kill Team to give them all Inquisition Pauldrons and each one will have a unique Chapter emblem.

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>was all hyped to start 40k
>now my first set of marines that i havent even built are probably going back on ebay
>Numarines will all be expensive as fuck and backlogged on pre-orders
>god knows when they will get their bigger vehicles and armor

At least i havent bought paints yet..

>>53262869
To be fair, I imagine it is somewhat galling to find out your army is all of a sudden composed of inferior manlets just because geedubs decides we need ANOTHER fucking flavour of marine. I don't care what they say, we all know the old ones will be phased out eventually.

Space Wolf army led by Bjorn to inspire them into following the teachings of Leman Russ. Since they were not made the proper way, they are bereft of chapter hallmarks like wolf pelts and fetishes.

The army is set up so that they can be observed, monitored, and put down if they display behaviour that may put the chapter at risk. They are also kept away from the Wulfen and most overt display of Fenrisian magic.

In truth its just a way for Bjorn to hang out with marines who arent covered in wolves and wolfing their wolves in the name of the Great Wolf.

>>53261519
You realise that they haven't actually shown the part with options, right? They can take plasmas. Pollisbly meltas. And sarge clearly has a power sword in the video.

>>53250512
I haven't played 8th yet. I'm going to wait until I can play some games with the whole rules set to see if it's a cluster fuck or not.

40k did need a hard reset as the game had got way out of hand already with formation spam, 10 hour psychic phases, scat bike spam ,and no semblance of balance or a metagame what so ever.

Whether or not GW are able to pull it out the bag remains to be seen. If not then I've still got 30k until they nuke that. Then hopefully people will still play with 7th ed rules anyway , if not eBay and warmachine I guess ?

>>53263185
I'm planning on using Krieg greycoat bodies for some of my Blood Pact cultists. They should look real fine next to truescale Berserkers.
Berserkers are in real need of new minis, but for now I'm planning on using NuMarines, FW bits and maybe some AoS bobs.

>>53265255
>eBay and warmachine I guess ?
There's still shadow war

If any of you angsty mongoloids haven't figured it out by now GWs marketing strategy since the 90s has been ' how do we reech deez keeds?' be grateful. Their parents wallets allows you grognards to keep grognarding. These new models are totally optional and are not overpowered in the slightest so fuck off with your needless doomsaying.

>>53253252

Yes, I'm sure absolutely everyone at the club/store he plays at will agree to play an outdated edition.

>>53265383
It's not that I think they're overpowered, they're just really boring. The fluff of them is entirely uninspired, another variation of they're space marines but even more marinier and spacier. In terms of rules a marine stat line with an extra wound(in an edition where it seems even Krak grenades do multiple wounds) and attack isn't that exciting either. I almost wish they'd made them legitimately insane but of course then they couldn't sell armies full of them.

I suppose people would have lost their shit if GW just straight up released true scale marines and said these are marines now but they could have put some more effort into these guys.

>>53264849
People don't seem to understand this concept. Chess being an example of a game children can learn easily but so complex it's taken AI's to truly 'master' it.

>>53258459
>Dropzone/fleet, Infinity and Warmahordes still look like they'll have better rules than 8th Ed.
Drop* Commander sure, but the others fuck no.

And Drop* Commander is in an entirely different scale (and in one case a fucking spaceship game which GW can't compete with until they reinstate BFG).

>>53265500
Chess is deep, not complex.

The bad editions of 40k were complex, but not deep.

Complexity is bad unless it increases depth.

Depth is the word you're looking for to describe why chess is great. The rules of chess are simple, not complex.

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>>53250512

because I want an edition where Orks aren't shit on as a Le Funnah Meme Xenos faction. Which goes back to the fluff where space marines were humanity's attempt to rise to the challenge of fighting off Ork hordes, rather than 1 marine killing a million of them without breaking a sweat.

>all these faggots killing and eating each other over the fact that daddy GeeDubbs has released a super special OC Donut Steel range of marines that make theirs inferior.
>marinelets.

The funny thing is, for the last 20 years you fuckers have been on top. Nothing was as good as a marine army, what with their thousand colourful varieties and special rules padding out hundreds of books.
>but Eldar
>but Tau

Oh don't get your panties in a twist princess. Tau were dogshit, Fucking Dogshit until they had a superheavy added to their codex in 6th. And strangely enough, space High Elves have always been collected by WAAC assholes, what with their over specialised units that can do everything forever. It speaks volumes of a faction, when Apocalypse was released you had one formation that consisted of five fucking characters and a Avatar of Khaine. You know, the sort of formations filled by Baneblades and super heavy vehicles. Not for eldar, five of your named characters and an avatar, like a Death star from Hero Hammer. Disgusting.

But the most egregious and numerous assholes are Space Marine players. You fuckers have had it so fucking good, being the poster boy for a company that cares quite literally only about profit, that now has thrown you away just so they can release the same shit with a new price tag and an extra half inch.

>Primaris Tacticool squad
>Primaris Dreadnaught
>Primaris Landraider
>Primaris Rhino
>Primaris landspeeder
>P. Named Characters
>P. Terminators
>P. Assault Marines
>P. Devs
>whirlwinds
>preds
>drop pods

And you fuckers will eat that shit up. You know why? Because you fuckers Always eat that shit up and they know that. Cont.

>>53265456
Don't be facetious. I am almost certain for every person who doesnt want to play 8th, there will be another just like him.

Also, what's stopping people going back an edition for a game? When a new edition comes out are the previous ones outlawed?

Everyone always acts like a previous edition is diseased and shouldn't be touched.

>>53265569
>Le Funnah Meme Xenos faction.

ah, you must mean 2e or RT, with deadly serious stuff like Goff Rokkaz, Shokk Attak Gunz, Stormboyz being young orks rebelling by conforming, the biggest ork boss being a shit pun on the name of an unpopular prime minister, hair squigz...

plot twist:
primaris will come with female heads, too

good god, i would laugh for days...

>>53265593
You wouldn't be able to tell a male and female marine apart. They're pumped so full of space steroids any feminine qualities in their body would be completely lost in a pile of muscles and mangristle.

Which is just another reason that people asking for female marines are fucking retarded.

>>53265577
If the only place to game in your area is a GW, then yes, previous editions might as well be diseased

>>53250512
how the FUCK did I not notice the Imperium secundus keyword
like shit, that's huge

>>53265631
It's a fucking shop you gullible cunt.

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>>53265569

You space marine players will lap this filth up like you do every time a new codex is released. New tactical marine box? New assault marines and they added a single new sword? What about all the fucking chapter specific kits, characters, and add on blisters of 10 fucking shoulder pads and a banner. That's not even mentioning the forge world shite which, oh yeah, has been churning out 40k and 30k conflict materials. Remember when Imperial Armour was what it said on the fucking tin? Literally fun imperial vehicles you could add to your collection, rather than the space marine slog fest it is today.
>Warhammer forge died for you faggots.
>seriously, there was going to be a third Warhammer forge book based around the fifth battle for black fire pass, better just throw that in the trash and release more space marines.

You are the cancer that killed Warhammer Fantasy battles, so that the good guys could have some "big dudes".

You are the fucking disease that prevents this hobby from evolving past sales.

They Were going to Age of Shitmar 40k, but they couldn't risk it considering how fucking badly that went for the fantasy fan base. Hell, they already sell Warhammer as cheap fucking toys with that Battle of Vedros shit, and you know what? Normies aren't interested.

>no one is better than the emperor's finest

Well you know what? You're not the emperors finest any more. Your chunk marinelets may as well sit in their boxes unassembled and I painted forever, because GW is never going to update them again. Hell, you need only look at the "made to order" shit to see your destiny.

The end has come, and it has come for you. You grimdark, LE HERESEY BLAM, pauldron wearing, panzee ass beakie motherfuckers.

Bin your armies, they are worthless

>>53265636
Thanks for the new pasta, m8, lol

I'm gonna think of you when I buy my first squad of Intercessors (and I never even played Space Marines before)

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>>53265636
when was the last time you had a hug, man? to see that amount of futile rage in one outpouring is... i feel bad for you, i really do.

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>>53265588

Oh you mean when space marines were a peace keeping police force that ate shit, literally, and were camp as fuck. Yeah they were so super serious back then asshole

>>53265569
>>53265636
This is some pasta-worthy shit
That's true dedication

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>>53265662

From Daddy GW? Back when they produced a fucking 3D Cad/Cam stomp kit. you know, the sort of thing ork players used to make by hand from scratch, that captured the heart of what being an Ork player and hobbyist was all about. Please.

Nu Games workshop knows Exactly what floats your boats, you power mad egotistical faggots, with an inferiority complex as long as your leather trench coat. You mark my fycking words, primaris marines will destroy you, and all the better for it.

Oh god I can't wait to play an army of entirely new Primaris Marines vs some fat autists marinelet Dark Angels or Space Wolves and beat him the fuck out and have him go into an apoplectic frenzy about how muh evul geedubz ruined the game for him.

>>53265636
>Pic related

I wonder if some miserable bastard actually bought that much plastic in one hit

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Why exactly are people surprised that this is the direction that GW chose to take? The rules were too hard for some of the kids to pick up, and making it easier makes it better for all concerned. If I had to face someone that had a flimsy grasp of the rules I'd rather try to explain the 8th rules than the 7th.

>>53265675

I'm the man that proved that the 8th edition of Warhammer fantasy was Good. Not broken, not weak, not un loved. Good.

Hell, I was called a hero once.

>>53265711
Honestly even as someone who has played every single edition of this game and has a solid handle on the rules, they were ridiculously fucking overbloated and needed this streamlining bad. It's not just a good change for the new kiddies entering the game, it's good for everyone. Nothing of value was lost.

>>53265711
>>53265722
Seriously, it was a fucking mess.
Anything short of AoSing is a change for the better.

>>53265722
I said kids because in my area there are a lot of kids starting the game. I realised after posting, as usual that generality is typically better for these things.

>>53265732
AoS gets a lot of shit but I think it deserves a bit of respect for being the first to take the hits so that the problems with it could be fixed for 8th ed 40k. It was basically the beta test and it seems the designers did actually learn from their mistakes with it, which is great.

>>53265718
8th edition is a good edition, and trust me I would probably play it till the end of time, but trust me when I say that when I read the news that fantasy was the lowest grossing product in the GW line, I wasn't surprised. Even in my playgroup back then people bought an army and continued to play that one army for years. It was one of the best rulesets for the gametype, but sadly the high price kept people out, or only invested in one-two armies at most.

After the fact it now does mean that most people that play it have about $4000 of plastic sitting in their attic, but AoS got GW out of the financial hole they were in. At least for now, there's Total War Warhammer and Vermintide. I also yearn for the days of storm of magic too, and trust me I would pick that up again in a heatbeat but I guess that just isn't what most people want anymore.

I'll be honest, I heard this when it was announced. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHMBs5yZDEc

>>53265089
...why?

>>53265478
They're obviously trying to just update and replace manlet marines while avoiding so much outcry. Elite armies in AoS like Stormcast feature 2 wound infantry and 3 wound elites.

>>53265831

>fantasy sales.

You better have evidence to fucking back that up.

I've read the investor reports dating back to 1993, GW Never print their sales figures of individual lines, only total gross through stores.

so again, where the Fuck did you read that.

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>>53265636
Here is "you".

>>53253485
>enjoy age of shitmar
God I hate you

That new bolter with inline ejection port, barrel and magazine gets my dick throbbing

>>53266001
why wot?

>>53266145
Well obviously I don't have that, but from how the stock dropped abruptly after the release of 8th I can beg to reason that it may have had a big hand in sales over the years leading to AoS. 40k can only carry so much.

>>53265636
k

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>>53258496

>>53265831
AoS didn't get GW out of shit.

GW's rising profits coincide with all the wish fulfilment 40K stuff being released and the company starting to reintroduce actually good deal sets.

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>>53267098
cuuuuute

>>53258496
It's a shame the bolter is just a big Godwyn.

Then again, if the arms fit Custodes bodies, you're halfway there in making your tactical bolter Custodes.

>>53265718
The rules were good a part from magic maybe being a bit too powerful in some ways. It was the unbalnce between factions and the need to buy hundreds of supposedly elite models to play deathstar vs deathstar with powerful mages hiding inside them. Heck alot of tournaments had some armies playing at 300 500 points more than others to even make them competitive. 40k is in an even worse state right now with special rules and formation bloat and a complete reset of the rules it's what is needed.

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>>53267386

That is not an argument in favour of abandoning the setting, rules system and collectors entirely. A system reset could have been facilitated by a new edition of the rules, which is what Was done in the past.

Binning the game all together and creating a smaller skirmish game was completely unnecessary in order to facilitate those changes, and unlike what >>53266241 said, a high barrier to entry does not provide proof that sales were at rock bottom.

Hell, All hobbies have a high barrier to entry, if the only gauge you use is what is played competitively.

>minimum 2000-5000pt games
There is not one shred of evidence that this was a required norm. You Can play WHFB in under a 1000pts, which is less than 60 models a side. The Blood Island starter is proof of that (sorry, Dawn Spire for all you AoShills and Man Children). As are all starter sets to new editions proof.

Hell ill go further. The island of blood box not only gave you more than one hero, which was popularised in 7ths battle for skull pass set, it also gave each side a wizard so you Could learn what spells did what, which previous sets Never did.

You had a Flying character, Monstrous infantry, horsemen and two elven units that previous didn't have plastics (swordsmasters and lothern sea guard).

They had a system on the brink of being good, and they trashed it. They changed CEO because of how badly it went. That Must tell you something.

>ad mech
>genestealer cult
>SWAG
>rumoured sisters plastics
>actual plastic primarch models

They are hitting the panic button Hard right now.

>that's not even mentioning Bloodbowl coming back.

>>53268366
>>ad mech
>>genestealer cult
>>SWAG
>>rumoured sisters plastics
>>actual plastic primarch models

>company creating products people actually want
>somehow a bad thing

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>>53258610
>because this is clearly just a way for GW to steadily move us toward truescale.
I hope that means truescale for everything, not just Space Marines. I can forgive GW for a lot of shit if they manage to make plastic Imperial Guard with Forgeworld proportions.

>>53258610
> it's just sort of lame from a fluff perspective.
It's worse than that, it's a break with a pillar of the setting. The waning of a Byzantine beaurocracy, in its last struggle for survival after science and progress have given ou-lol now there's angels 2.0 that some guy has had in has basement for how long?

>>53268646

We're talking about Games Workshop.

This isn't some company that releases things because people want them. People have wanted more models in a box and lower prices for decades, that doesn't mean they are going to get them.

You mark my words, if we see a resurgeance of Mordheim, Necromunda, Epic Armageddon or Battlefleet Gothic it won't be because "the fans demanded it".

Hell, if that was the case, then why for every Ad Mech or Stealer Cult, was there a fucking awful boxed board game of Betrayal at Calth or Cities of Naggaroth DE gang war.

>GW only give a shit when it hits their wallets, like shooting themselves in the foot and exiling an entire third of their audience.

>>53260100
By Orthodox do you mean with or without the '92 revision to endgame draw states?

>>53268656
Makes sense that they'd want Space Marines, the poster boys of the franchise, to be the first of the truescale releases, but I doubt they'll be the last. Hopefully we'll see gradual rolling out of new models for most Imperial factions. They've been teasing at a return of the Sisters for ages as well.

>>53265753
>the designers did actually learn from their mistakes with it, which is great.
Understand that the most valuable commodity you have is the IP, so don't fuck it up? Because I don't know they learned that.

>>53265636
10/10

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>>53250512
nah, grew out of GW years ago. Graduated to historical wargames.

Turns out there are games where your tactics on the table actually have an effect on the game, instead of "my codex is very unlikely to beat your codex, there is almost no point in playing this game"

Now I can play balanced games with real units, based on conflicts that actually happened (and so have a wealth of documentation - first hand accounts, documentaries,video footage, books, songs written about, etc.)

>>53268717
You're conflating different things. To them Genestealers and Ad Mech are new product lines. Mordheim and Gothic are rereleases.

>why for every Ad Mech or Stealer Cult, was there a fucking awful boxed board game of Betrayal at Calth or Cities of Naggaroth DE gang war.

different divisions.

>>53264901
>we're gonna get dumbed down skrimish game foe 13-year olds
so basically 3E

>>53265569
>The funny thing is, for the last 20 years you fuckers have been on top. Nothing was as good as a marine army, what with their thousand colourful varieties and special rules padding out hundreds of books.
t. never played competitively

>>53269121


Got proof of that?

Do you have any shred of proof that there are different divisions of game design and release at GW besides "well it makes sense".

Because last I checked, all they had was the GW Design Team

>>53269099
>playing as nazis

wow edgy fedora teen from /pol/ detected

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>>53250512
>New edition looms
>I like the new changes, though have some reservations
>Infantry focus
>MC creep stopped
>Flyer creep stopped
>Starts off focusing entirely on Cadia
>Rule changes that benefit infantry the most
>GW showing they want to expand existing product lines!
>Think maybe now Guard might get a resculpt, or even more plastic choices since they took Cadians off as the poster boys
>Possibly even seperate IG codexes or even rulesets for regiments in the codex
>Maybe even Nids as a horde army again
>GW might be turning a new leaf
>Trying to trim the bloat off the codex creep
>Maybe SM wank will lessen and they try to push other product lines
>New announcemnet
We have decided to make! Space marine..... SPACE MARINES!!!!!!!

>>53269245
>Plastic Havocs? Real Chosen? Not-shitty looking Bikers for Loyalist and Traitor?

>HAHA, HAVE SOME SPACE MARINES

>>53269238
>nazis
the aircraft in the image is Finnish, although its not my table or miniatures though.

fyi I play all factions from many periods, from ancients through to modern. WW2 Nazis are in there, as are the US, Soviet, British, Chinese, Japanese and Italians.

Playing Soviets should be considered much much worse - they did kill more innocent civilians in WW2 after all...

>>53269099
What`s a good ww2 wargame? I had my eyes in FoW, but TY is the thing now. Is Bolt Action any good? I`m more interested in the models than the game tbqh.

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>>53269562
Bolt action is essentially 40K from around 3rd ed, but with WW2 skins. If you want nice models and something fun to play, thats probably your best bet. Its fairly popular too, bound to be people near you that play it.

>>53265705
Pretty sure they sold out of them

>>53257366
>they don't make sense

They're their form of making long sought after truescale marines without rendering classic sized marines obsolete. I'm not going to regard them as newmarines, I'm just going to use these models for my movie marines rules with which I already play.

>>53269562
Team Yankee, and the other cold-war stuff, is still not as prevalent as their WW2 product.

FoW's in the middle of switching to v4, and right now only North Africa mid-war stuff has books for it. The other periods and fronts will see new books arriving, so the spotlight will shift away from cold-war and back to WW2 soon enough.

Haven't played Bolt Action so can't compare the two, but FoW plays pretty well and the results are reasonably authentic/accurate without bogging down into purist grognard territory.

>>53265569
How fucking autistic can one person be to unironically spout this verbiage?

>>53265569
>>53265636
Is this how copypastas are born?

>>53265636
Who even plays space marines now? The 5 people in my area who still own any 40k have admech and tau and so on. Where would you find a kid with space marines in this day and age?

>>53250512
Because I hope that new edition willl be more balanced. And said balance will be tuned constantly according to a feedback from tournaments.

And I like the idea of much less random blast weapons (i.e. getting rid from scatter) which will be able to deal more than a single wound to MC.

>>53265626
My GW owner lets us play previous editions of 40k and allows games of Fantasy, as long as we have the books, he also lets us use proxies as long as they are 51%+ GW parts. So while that may be true for some gamers, it is far from a universal experience.

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>>53265693
You are in need of this.

>>53271503
>Who even plays GW now?
No one at my LGS. Way better games out there.

>>53269562
Battlegroup. It's based on GW's Kampfgruppe and offers all manner of stuff in terms of lists, settings and equipment. Even support units have a role in it and you have to manage your resources.

>>53258461

>t. some 12 year old after a day on /pol/

kys