/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General - 1.0 Marines Edition

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/a-new-breed-of-hero-may15gw-homepage-post-1/

First for what are effectively true-scale Marines

>>53248291
Based Mk IV helmets.

Or is that Mk IV-based helmets?

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>>53248291
Whatever makes it easier to convert my Thunder Warriors.

It's sort of depressing that now HH players are stuck with baby marines.

>>53248433
Everyone has baby-marines in droves anon, we'll just have more of them at the end of the day.
>>53248417
I see what you did there

>>53248433
>"thunder warriors" wearing Mk X power armour, which is brand-new in the 41st millennium
I literally can't even. That's far, far sillier than the whole "blood angels in Mk VII because of the siege" malarkey.

Myrmidax cult halp!
Where is overTHEtop Grav myrm man?
awesome grav POWAH brother.

at 2500 how many myrm destructor should i be running?
should i be bothering with secutors?
i LOVE the macrocarid but for every 1 i lose some myrms :(
2 macrocarid filled with myrms doesn't seem like enough myrms at 2500 :(

All I'm saying is they better not be as tall as my Custodes.

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>>53248649
They're not that much bigger, I'd estimate they're only about half a head taller than the current marine models. IIRC custodes are bigger than that.

>>53248727
These nuMarines look like what you'd get if you straightened out a normal Marine's legs so they weren't popping a squat, and beefed them up ever so slightly. In total, it's probably only 1-2mm, but it shows.

>>53248727
>new sergeant markings
>old tank designs
Does anyone know how to easily take forgeowlrd resin and scale it by a few factors
Make Moulds of moulds of moulds?
I know when I get around to my game a normal human will be 3 inches at least

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>>53248829
*cm, not mm. That's what I get for posting without any sleep

So, with the new marine models, does it mean we can now use MkVII as part of the Heresy?

>>53248845
See >>53248565
It's actually RT era markings for UM Captains

>>53248918
The Horus Heresy didn't magically change dates because of nuMarines 10k years later. The only groups that had access to MkVII during the Heresy were WS, BA, and IF. Everyone else had to make due with MkII-VI, and Sarum-pattern helmets for that iconic angry face.

>>53248571
Don't be daft Frendon, they are truescale marine bits, conversion fodder, food for the cause ect ect.

A larger marine product is the go to for True Scale now.

>>53248727
Those look fantastic, the torsos and legs look easily convertible not to mention the helmets look like mk IV.

Those boltguns have a 30" range though. Jesus.

>>53249114
Why are we mad? Why is 8th a solution?

>>53249037
Truescale is a meme propagated by fuckwits. Look at the battle pictures in the black books, the scale of the marine miniatures used in them looks absolutely fine.

Look, using Mk X bitz in a 30k army is as stupid as using Mk VIII bitz. I mean, it's not like it's an obscure part, everybody playing the game today is going to recognise that bit as numarine legs (or whatever).

>>53249228
Well, turns out I'm pretty darn mad today. Fucking truescale chucklefucks.

>>53249296
You are tunneling on the idea that the bit isn't going to be converted.

>>53249296
The bits will be converted, truescale is cool for making bigger marines, quit implying meaning not expressly stated.

>>53249228
because we're stuck playing on a BBC computer from the fucking 80s and we want a fun HH game. Now fuck off

>>53249445
I'm sorry the games you play in aren't fun.

>>53249296
erm, wut? Truscale refers to the fact that in 28mm guardsmen and astartes look totally out of whack next to each other, one of the scales is 'wrong', so people decided astartes were meant to be bigger and went on to convert them.

>>53249518
don't be sorry, you keep struggling with your abacus like a luddite while frothing at the mouth to all your gaming buddies that it's 'the best', we will move on to the Tianhe-2

Everyone is going nuts about the new Marines and I'm just sitting here mildly disappointed that my Genetors can't steal a Warlord-Sinister so I could model the Goliath device on tracks from Leviathan and mount an actual plasma lamp in it. That would be pretty sweet, but sadly the horrific abomination psyker Titan is locked to Loyalist only, despite that not being the case with Valdor himself.

Thanks for staying comfy, /hhg/. There's not really anywhereto talk 40k with all the forums and my friends going insane over 8e, but HH is remaining chill.

>>53249758
8th edition is more consumer friendly with a stronger core rule set.

It's good for the game, no reason to explode everywhere freaking out about change.

>>53249385
>>53249409
>>53249668
Again: look at the photos and artwork in the black books (which incidentally don't contain any pictures of cadian shock troopers, so I don't see why those overscaled models are relevant to 30k). The scale is fine, there is no need for bigger marines other than snowflakery. If you're just going to ignore the black books then why even play 30k?

Hell, every army in 30k is in the same scale apart from the "truescale" ones some people make. You idiots are the ones fucking the scaling up.

>>53249668
>so people decided astartes were meant to be bigger

And those people are retards, because the Marines aren't the models at the wrong scale. It's the Guardsmen that are. Compare a plastic Marine next to the older metal Guard models - the Steel Legion or Valhallans for example. The scale works perfectly there. Making Marines 'truescale' next to the plastic Cadians throws them out of whack with every other model range in the game.

>>53249738
>this projection
I now understand why you can't have fun.

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>>53249861
>no reason to explode everywhere freaking out about change
:^)

>>53249909
Ohhhh, I get it now. You think 30k is strictly historical war game with as much an emphasis on realism as the WWII era games, I totally get it now.

It definitely isn't about personal preference and "your dudes" its all about YOUR particular perspective on how the rest of us should play with our resin or plastic army men.

You must be a hoot at parties!

>>53249941
click click goes the abacus

>>53249983
guarantee you he's either A. one of the podcast autists in denial, or B. someone who thinks/wants to be playing an RPG and doesn't realise it's a skirmish tabletop war-game

while super space marines aren't suitable / appropriate for the 30k heresy setting for perfectly acceptable historical reasons, they're still BADASS models and piss all over the 90s space marines making them look laughable.
The super marines are much more appropriately scaled and in proportion, they look more agile and much closer to the cool artwork

>>53249983
>>53250050
Again:
>every army in 30k is in the same scale apart from the "truescale" ones some people make
It just looks weird to have one army on the table in the scale forgeworld make and the other in whatever mishmash someone's come up with. It's not as bad as facing an unpainted army, but it still slightly spoils the fun of the game. That's why I have an issue with it.

>>53250050
I think it would be amazing to reenact the drop site massacre or have entirely narrative driven campaign, having mix matched suits of armor or true scale shouldn't destroy your erection though.

>>53250118
That's nice.

>>53250118
the helmets are neat

>>53250142
It's nice to see you being more temperate, playing a game against a converted or painted army you dislike shouldn't be enough to "spoil" the game.

People are investing big bucks (Subjective) into these miniatures, you are just as obligated to endorse their hobby as you are to not spam riptides or whatever the flavor of the month of op is.

This is a small highly insular group of autists across the board, with a community this small everyone has a part to play in making it a fun experience.

Its similar to D&D in that respect, if you have a meta gaming power player or a weab who insists on role playing a slut who fucks all the important NPCS, you should object when it crosses the line of impacting gameplay negatively.

>>53250118
These Primarus guys are nothing more than space marines that better fit the fluff for space marines. I don't know why they're making up all this new shit for them.

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Kraks are fairly potent. I wonder how meltabombs will be statted.

>>53249861
Well half of them are yelling about how the sky is falling, and half are screaming about how it's the best thing ever. Not much room for the usual chill discussions. I'm fairly neutral, depends what they do with the actual ruleset and whether they gimp my armies or not in their new book.

>>53250377
S9 AP-4, D6 damage but rolls 2 die to see the damage. Grenade 1 also, I'd assume

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>>53250319
Because they can't invalidate half the armies in the game. That's it. I'm sure they just started out as truescale marines until somebody had a panicattack when they realized the sheer scale of a shitfit people would throw if they released them as normal marines.

>>53250445
I like the heads, mk4 basically.

>>53250445
I sort of agree, perhaps when the idea of a reboot was first being kicked around they considered squatting the og muhreens in favor of the Primaris concept, similar to how sigmarines where a biproduct of the end of Warhammer fantasy.

I think if the ip was doing worse they might have sigmared the 40k universe as well in favor of lowering cost and protecting the ip with more copy right friendly names.

>>53250445
to be honest I don't like them much, I prefer the more stockier classic look of regular marines

>>53250445
they won't invalidate them.... but you will be able to field full armies of them... soon. Guarantee you.

I'm happy they don't have a S5 T5 stat line though, my Thunder Warriors will still be crushing their skulls. KEK.

>>53250565
>muh thunder warriors
truly the worst hhg meme

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>>53250646
I like to think I've carried it relatively well, it isn't going to stop me from that sweet sweet topknot action though.

>>53250778
>even the thunder warriors were ultramarines
GW really doesn't know when to stop do they?

>>53250778
oh sweet summer child

>>53251096
I'VE BIRTHED A LEGACY, GO MY CHILD!

>>53251127
>>53251096
Child, I don't thunder exactly what kind of child warriors you are normally thundering with, child, but you aren't the fag for the job, thunder child. You warriorn't the first child, nor the last, you are but the least thunder warrior fag of all the thunder children faggots.

>>53250778
>>53251096
>>53251127
>>53251202
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53251202
But to Thunder is to first, for the Warriors of Thunder came first, not second, or third, but primaris firstus of the Thunda Fistas, o great Emprah, gift us ur

Techno Bardbarian gifts of vat grown muscles and secret cancer failsafes,

return unto us the glory of the Legions, the Thuntard Legions of yore.

bequeath to us void proven power armor so that we may Unify the galaxy in your name,

for the Lobotimist Campaign begins.

>>53251336
The Crusadus Firstus MAximus. Begins

>tfw /hhg/ got invaded by sigmarine players
I want my general back.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Low and behold my Blackshields became a meme.

>>53251432
>tee hee I'm a may-may XD

>>53251432
Fuck. Off.

>>53251432
Good job on outing yourself as a faggot from now on.

>>53251513
There was another Anon who picked up the name, it made me kek so I played along.

>>53251411
And I was just talking about how everything was all comfy recently. Omnissiahdammit.
Seriously, where's my Traitor Psitan? At least give me a chaos corrupted one in Angelus I can nick for my giant Tesla Coil Ordinatus that calls in Tunguska Events.

>>53251432
Take the knot.

IF player here and I'm looking into getting a Mastodon. I know it isn't a great LoW but the fact that it turns into a fortress after it blows screams IF should have me.

What units would be good to stick in it other than a deathstar to make most of it's large capacity and it's moving castle like nature?

I don't want to discuss the new 40k UltraUltramarines here, but I do need to point out one thing - their keywords include "Imperium Secundus." I assume they're going to say this was Guilliman's plan to keep marine production going once losing access to Terra and Mars. The mildly interesting part is that he was supposedly embarrassed about the whole Imperium Secundus thing once he found out the Emperor wasn't dead, and tried to pretend it never happened. Are people in M41 going to know that it did?

>>53251834
Thunderhammer/Shield terminators, Breachers, that sort of thing.
Bring the toughest units to where they need to go in a mobile fortification.
And keep in mind, it's a Super Heavy Transport, it can transport multiple units if I recall correctly.

>>53251903
>their keywords include "Imperium Secundus."
Nope.

>>53251903
no they don't, the 'imperium secundus' thing is a shop.

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>>53251903
No.

It's just that the Northern part of the galaxy is cut off from the rest of the galaxy by the Great Rift. It's being ravaged and conquered by daemon, heretic, and xenos. It's now called Imperium Nihilus. A place where Chaos's evil is LAW.

The southern part of the galaxy will be reclaimed and reinforced by Girlyman's crusade. From this sundered half, Girlyman will create new Imperium Secundus. A bulwark of hope against the coming darkness streaming from the north.

So we have a WHFB Norsa/Chaos Wastes situation in 40K with the north being a realm of evil and Chaos while the South is the bastion of good and order.

>>53252009
>source: your arse

>>53251950
It is? Well, I fell for it. Thanks.

>>53252039
>says anon to everything from Cadia falling to new marines being developed

When will you guys ever learn?

>>53252097
well if you have some proof you can post?

especially seeing as there's been no metion of Imperius Secundus or Imperium Nihilus yet?

>>53252077
No problem man, it happens, you can see the real one here >>53250683

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>>53252130
>Imperium Nihilus yet?

Look at the northern part of the Imperium. You see in BOLD WHITE LETTER "IMPERIUM NIHILUS".

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Locutarus have been built, next paycheck will be buying all the paints. I plan to give the Power Weapons the full Grey Knight treatment

>>53252251
They remind be of 2e Howling Banshees because of load-out.

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Since we're talking new stuff, this weapon profile appeared on an article today. I think this is the first weapon we've seen which had the Sniper USR in the old edition. In short: no wounding on a 4+, and no psuedo-rending. Quite the nerf to marksmen veterans, if it carries over into 30k the same, (with the usual disclaimers that it may or may not, we don't know,) they'd basically just be chumps with normal bolters who can target characters. I'd be okay with that, marksmen vets are too much of an auto-include at the moment.

>>53252009
>imperium secundus
It would be imperium tertius, surely?

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>>53252317

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>>53252384
That is one THICC shaft.

>>53252009
> North
> South

Do you even space?

>>53252209
Nice photoshop.

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>>53252317
>>53252384
Yea I can see what you mean Anon. Now I'm imagining that they all have Pigeon Tits under all that Power Armour

>>53252209
Why is Prospero back in real space againt....

>>53252467
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/04/new-warhammer-40000-the-great-riftgw-homepage-post-4/

My hacking skills are better.

>>53252497
"Wrath of Magnus"

>>53252497
Prospero never left realspace.
WoM moved Soritarius to the Prospero system.

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>>53249921
>the Marines aren't the models at the wrong scale. It's the Guardsmen that are
Because those guardsmen are truescale. They're selected by their combat skill, and their combat skill consists in 6'1" memes :^)

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>>53250377
>2W
Dislike

Question: Leviathan shoots a quad mortar with grav flux bombard. It hits 2 crew and the gun itself. Does the unit take 3 strength checks or 2? The gun doesn't have a strength value, but space marines also don't have T7 but get to use it as part of the gun crew, so if the crew can use the gun toughness then the gun should count as a hit to cause a strength check. My opponent was very insistent otherwise.

>>53252362
Is that the complete profile? For real sniper weapons lose any armour penetration but now shoot precision shots all the time?
Could be good, actually...if there was a way to give the rule to other weapons beyond space Remington 700s
>It would be imperium tertius, surely?
Noo noo. That thing never happened, no :^)
He knows

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>>53253285
This is the full thing, I trimmed it to avoid exposing people to too much tau.

I guess actually this might also be a hint what the Stealth USR does now, come to think of it. My bad.

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>>53252501
He's in.

>>53253349
Well I am confused
>I trimmed it to avoid exposing people to too much tau.
But you're a good Ordo Xenos operative.

>>53253208
The rules for artillery say you use the gun's Toughness as long as one remains even if it's not the most numerous model or the closest one, but wounds are allocated to the closest models.
In your case, you'd inflict three tests using T7, and allocate the first wound to whatever model is the closest to the dreadnought.

>>53253208
The gun would auto-fail its strength test if its the model the Grav Flux wounds would be allocated to. So if you get 3 hits and the actual Rapier is the closest model, it auto-fails 2 tests (2 wounds) and dies (Ap2, Ignores Cover) then 1 marine rolls for his 2D6 Strength test.

>>53250815
That's just a Marine wearing Thunder Armor, anon.

>>53250815
>only thunder warriors wore MkI

>>53251916
Are shooty units a good idea? I was thinking a multi-melta squad popping shots out if a hatch would work well with it.

>>53252412
there is such a thing as galactic north, go back to space school please

>>53254269
Just having fun with museum pieces.

>>53252009
Imperium Secundus was whipped from Imperial record to keep Bobby G from losing face iirc. Likely the only ones in the 41st millennium who know about it are the chapters that were involved and maaaybe some citizens of the 500 worlds. Oh maybe some high ranking Inquisitors too

>>53255207
Meant for
>>53251903

>>53250377
Frags too if everyone can throw them, and especially against light infantry, and if you can charge after throwing. Lets say a squad of 8 marines throw frag grenades against guardsmen. Since we don't know how grenades work yet let's be conservative and assume each of the d6 must roll to hit. That's 28 shots, 18.67 hits, 9.33 wounds, 6.22 kills. Compared to 3.5 kills from 8 bolt pistol shots.

Could be cool.

Even if only one man can throw grenades per squad per turn, it would behoove you to do so since at that range it would be more effective than having that single guy shoot his bolt pistol.

>>53250377
Grave wardens should be fun with that krak profile.
>77
How appropriate.

>>53255293
>everyone can throw them

Not likely. Enjoy 1 grenade per unit per phase.

>>53255293
They won't do entire squads throwing grenades purely because krak-armed guardsmen would upset muhreen players.

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>>53248085
As a Canadian I can fully say that thing is straight from our collective worst nightmares.
>>53255293
Would put some new life into tacs squads pulling an assault on a unit; riddle the fuckers in a hail of frags then go boot the survivors in the face. Its how I would imagine a storm-trooper analogue unit would do an assault.

is there an argument to be had?
local horus heresy players complaining about players using custodes.
theyre trying to say they have no place in games since in the fluff they never left terrra during the heresy.
i try to point out that the majority of the legions at the club never fought each other and the primarchs certainly didn't either, but they don't have issue with this and reply "its a big universe and legions were huge so they could've fought "
any halp?

>>53255679
>>53255293
>Frags too if everyone can throw them
But that has never been a thing, and I don't think 8E will be any different, not to mention 30k is far from 8E (mainly because FW is slow as fuck, though)
>>53255679
Whenever the dire goose opens its beak, it spits mosquitoes :^)

>>53255846
you're fighting on terra
bam

>>53255846
>they never left terrra during the heresy
But they did.
It's pst heresy to 40k (Pre Guilliman's wild ride) that they never left.

>>53255846
Yeah, I think you can only justify restricting Custodes if it's a strictly-controlled narrative campaign or event. One that doesn't allow named characters, maybe even doesn't allow all the legions.

They did leave Terra; there were some watching over Lorgar, and that custode from Master of Mankind, Ra, presumably got as far away from Terra as he could. You could even have some of them exploring the webway from under the Imperial Palace and popping up on random planets. They should not be as common as they are, but neither should primarchs!

The real problem in your local scene is probably not fluff-related.

>>53255846
It's a wargame.
>deal-with-it.gif

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>>53255846
Yes. First of all, write correctly.
Secondly, there are instances of the Talons operating outside of Terra. Also, 30k is NOT the Historical reenactment game. It can do so, but the developers even suggest you can use alternate scenarios like Traitor Ferrus vs Loyalist Fulgrim and stuff.
I wish I could post three images per comment: the one I described, the one about the autist that refused a WS vs UM game because there was no novel about it, and this one.

>>53255679
I know I shouldn't be talking about realism with 30/40k but entire sections don't lob frags at a single target.

A grenadier and another guy crawl forward and frags them, the rest of the section suppresses.

Not only would it make assault weapons less important/unique in their role, but the image of a whole unit slinging their weapons (and giving the enemy an opportunity to stick their heads up and fire back whilst everyone is fumbling with grenade pouches) and chucking 10+ grenades at the enemy seems silly to me.

>>53249296
> Look at the battle pictures in the black books, the scale of the marine miniatures used in them looks absolutely fine.


You must have no understanding of proportions. FW marines and Guard look better than GW but they're not "better proportioned", just not all squatting in the same lame ass position. Not sure why you're so butt mad about people converting (mostly likely in a 40k context) marines to fit the fluff. Even if one had a whole army true scaled, it's just an excercise in creativity. Any vehicle would shatter the illusion.

>>53255877
>>53256644
Eh, blame it on many an intense game of Battlefield 1 where my squad nades the shit out of a position then bayonet charges the survivors. Seems cool as fuck in my head at least.

Oh god fuck the horror, mosquitoes and a hydra headed goose? RIP

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DORNAHLD

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>>53255679
>>53255877
>>53257187
honk

>>53257328
>AL
>Not Genetor anon's next wacky kitbash
Mecha Goose-Hydra

>>53256644
I had a great-uncle who fought for the Spanish Blue Division on the German side against the Soviet Union, near Leningrad. There was a spell of cold weather in early '42 when it was too cold for rifles to work and everyone lobbed grenades at each other before closing into bayonet range (and hoping the other guys would run away - only a few people were actually willing to stab enemy soldiers). So... combat doctrine will change based on the nature of the battle, culture, and millennium.

As another example, German infantry sections tended to be based entirely on their machine gun. They didn't seem to do much fighting except to support the section MG, and if it was taken out then they kind of gave up. That way of fighting was realistic but only specific to a narrow time and place.

>>53257328
Jesus Christ you faggots they're just birds.

>>53257876
They're basically dinosaurs!

>>53257876
A bird with a burning hatred of all other living creatures, worthy foes in the dark future of the 31st century The only bird with a worse streak are Aussie magpies

>>53258072
I'm looking forward to a Dire Geese or Space Swans 2nd founding chapter.

>>53257453
>There was a spell of cold weather in early '42 when it was too cold for rifles to work
Literal hell on Skalathrax.

>>53258072
>>53257876
Its true, those fucking birds are on my top avoidance list when flying because they are both, big enough to seriously damage my aircraft and colossal cunts to everything. Also its illegal to shoot the fucking things in Canada or else we would have exterminated them.

>>53257453
Precisely, for cityfights or fights in rough terrain it makes sense to fling fuckloads of frags at the other guys to at least panic them enough to not gun your ass down on the charge. Most likely they will take casualties and be unready to meet the charge or be falling back and get stabbed to fucking death while running away

I just realized it, Thallax in 8E are going to be good since autocanon-like weapons aren't going to be half useless.

>>53258262
Can their bites pierce jeans and coats? Because if they can't then grab a stick and you'll be invincible. In the lake where I used to run there were geese and sticks. Both them and I were lucky they didn't honk at me.

>>53258286
I dont see them as much different, they'll still have high strength single-shot weaponry which wont have much AP.
>>53258381
They don't need to pierce, geese have gonad-seeking beaks and cause great blunt trauma

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>>53258406
>gonad-seeking beaks
My only weakness. And hands and face.
Btw how do they cause blunt trauma?

>>53258381
Pierce, not likely. But they will bite, peck, tackle, attempt to scratch you with their feet, and probably shit on you while fighting. You will likely win one on one, but at what cost?

>>53258381
>weregeese

Jesus Christ!

>>53258472
>>53258443
These. There is no pain until an angry goose missiles its beak into your balls

>>53258286
Points costs are what determine what's good or not.

But you're right, armor penetration modifiers and the S/T table should make units more versatile by reducing how many things are hard counters to other things.

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>>53258472
It does sound like a fun brawl >>53258512 as long as you can avoid the cockgobbing
>>53258542
They do cost more than termies. Dammit.

>>53258381
There was a story about a guy on a kayak drowning after geese hounded him while he tried to swim away.

It probably isn’t true that they break your arm or leg bones with their wings – but that’s how they attack. They’re basically taking swings at you with their arms.

>>53258642
Aviation side I have heard stories of the fucking things flying through Cessna windscreens and being intact enough to try and maul the pilot before it dies of internal hemorrhaging. The cockpit is pretty fucking cramped in those things. Half the reason I always pack a Kbar while flying honestly

I wonder what they are going to change about aircraft in 8th ed? Also hurrahs to the Fire Raptor hopefully becoming the A-10/Mi-24 anti everything hate machine it was destined to be.

I love this thread.

Geese are complete cunts where I lived. Can confirm they're also a huge hazard with regards to aircraft mishaps at out local airfield.

In other news, pretty excited how my ad mech stuff will translate into 8ed. Thallax and myrmidons in particular. On the flip side, I am worried that some of the rules that don't have sculpts yet may never be seen, like the Arlatax. I want to convert my own but my own jobs 9 out of 10 times end up looking worse than the official minis.

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>>53258806
Fuck, forgot the picture.

Also, which would suite SoH better? Sicaran or Fireraptor?

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I srsly now want to squeeze and break a goose's neck with my hands

>>53258808
More Mechanicum units should wield volkite.

>>53258806
>I wonder what they are going to change about aircraft in 8th ed?
Yeah, I'm the guy who was planning on running a missile launcher heavy support squad because none of the other AA options fit my fluff (white scars on extended operations so no air support, and their chogorians so no dreads). I'd love to know if I can save the flak missile points.

Gotta protect the khan's cyberhawk from them daemon geese.

Though I'll just go ahead and build them. Sounds like we'll be waiting a while.

>>53258924
Fire Raptor if you're doing a Dreadclaw-heavy list. And it's quite good, rules-wise. Just hard to assemble.

>>53258262
>and colossal cunts to everything
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Canadian geese are big and really, really fucking dumb. Their only strength is in numbers.

>>53259466
They're dumb AND malicious.

>>53259041
>>53259055
I have a 10 man squad that I have sit with a MoS for BS 10 then 5 relentless squad with my SoH, other heavy support is a Spartan for a Justaerin loaded armoured dong thrust into the enemy. The sicaran and the Fire raptor both seem about even in my eyes; for both Im planning on using a storm eagle to punk heavier targets and to drop off Praetor+tacsquad. More reserve heavy than anything but only 1 dreadclaw with termis as a plug unit

>>53248571
>new marines are in Mk X
>Mk IX gets skipped because it doesn't sound as cool
How retardedly predictable...

>That's far, far sillier than the whole "blood angels in Mk VII because of the siege" malarkey.
How is that silly? They literally had Mk VII at the Siege. Probably way more than the 50 suits it would take to equip all your models.

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>>53260010
>tfw the whole point of space marines is thrown out the window with 'new' and 'improved' space marines
>that are literally just shitty sternguard made to sell more models

This video only gets more true as time goes on.
https://youtu.be/_zSxQnZ3TM8

I just hope they realize these were a fucking dumb idea, I for one realized that the modern writing team has no commitment to the over-the-top mocking tone that originally made 40k. Guess I should've seen it sooner, though. At least HH still as bits and pieces hidden away

I'm looking to put together a terminator armored command squad, but I've just realized the standard bearer is supposed to be carrying a combi-bolter, a power weapon and the standard.
Does anyone have any pictures of how they've modeled their own command squads, looking for inspiration.

>>53260213
I just stuck a Tac Squad banner on the back of a terminator.

Then I got bored with it and realized I never use command squads, so I took it off. Jolly good stuff

>>53258808

I'm seriously looking forward to see how fear translates to 8th for my Night Lords because that may seriously make or break my continuation on playing them. It's painfully obvious that only Cult Legions matter in 40k, and in 30k, just about every legion has our rules but better.

Uhhhhhh. Did anyone else notice in the Primaris article where they mentioned 40k Termies are now 2W?

Cause....... that's kinda important.

>>53258808
>tfw one of my first memories is getting attacked and bitten by a goose at the beach and my dad smacking it in the head with a sand pail
Canadian geese are NOT a meme.

I'm also excited for 8e admech although I won't be happy until FW releases rules for skitarii and sicarian rusrstalkers.

>>53260458
they showed the new termie profile in a previous 8ed preview

>>53260568

Ah. My bad. I missed that.

Interesting though. i wonder if/how FW will approach it for HH.

>>53260611
>aquilon and Justaerian termies are now 4W

JFC I hope they don't screw the balance

>>53260644
As dope as this would be I think 3W is more reasonable. Wont complain either way however, as long as my Justaerin stay tankier than your average Terminator

I'm wondering, is there anything stopping me from putting a AL Saboteur in an Anvillus Dreadclaw and drop podding him first turn? IT only says he is deployed by reserve rules and has outflank.

>>53260140
>This video only gets more true as time goes on.
I know right. But I think at least it stops here and goes no further.
When I utter these words, I feel such a bad omen. Something so terrible crawling its way towards us and the tabletop.
Centurion suits were already so dumb, a decent concept so wrongly executed. What can come next?

>>53260466
If you can repel them with what google tells me it's a plastic bucket, then yes, they are a fucking meme. And Canadians suffering under the terrible lordship of the Unspeakable Geese seems even more of a meme to me.
I MUST FIGHT A GOOSE NOW!!

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>>53260140
>filename

>>53260780
Yeah, though honestly I'm curious about how stats are gonna work in 8th.

Like +1T won't mean as much as it does now, same with strength and wounds. I'm curious if they'll switch to have more AP and damage modifiers rather just T changes.

Have they given a top point for T yet? I guess anything past 20 is redundant, yet ya never know

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>>53260926
>why can come next

1) What if we get a Space Marine-Space Marine inside a Space Marine Space Marine? I introduce.... the Primaris-Devestator Centurion Omega Armor!

2) Primaris Space marines were good, but wore to quickly... now, guilliman has sent forth a legion of gene-seed crafted Warriors born of Astarte and Custodes both. I introduced... Alpha Destoryer super-Hunter Space Marines!

3) FSM. Not that I have anything against women, but I feel like it'd be a more symbolic change from the good ol' fashioned catholic Space Nazis to that weird new style we see.

Btw, am I the only one that's noticed the style change? Like artwork and stuff, it reminds me of when Runescape changed 2011~ and kinda hit the fatal blow.

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>>53261611
I would buy the hell out of marine x eldar ynnari hybrids.

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>>53260140
>A Space Marine INSIDE a Space Marine
Monkey Trouble confirmed for best Primarismarch.

>>53260466
Least it's not swans. At least once a year a bunch of teenagers will sneak out to the pond in our town park to get drunk at night, and one of them will decide he's a bad enough dude to fistfight one of the swans. Spoilers: Beer muscles do not make you a bad enough dude to fistfight a swan.

>>53258072
>>53257328

I know one thing far worse than a Dire Goose.

A Dire Emu.

>>53262694
no you dont, emu's are weak dogs even compared to common geese, dumber than rocks and cowardly to boot.

You're thinking of the Cassowary

>>53262949
How many wars has man lost to geese? None.

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>>53262949
The cassowary seriously looks like a dinosaur, and it makes a sound like the THX ad before movies.

But I think he's referring to the Emu War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War

>By 8 November, six days after the first engagement, 2,500 rounds of ammunition had been fired.[6] The number of birds killed is uncertain: one account claims just 50 birds,[6] but other accounts range from 200 to 500—the latter figure being provided by the settlers. Meredith's official report noted that his men had suffered no casualties.[2]
>The machine-gunners' dreams of point blank fire into serried masses of Emus were soon dissipated. The Emu command had evidently ordered guerrilla tactics, and its unwieldy army soon split up into innumerable small units that made use of the military equipment uneconomic. A crestfallen field force therefore withdrew from the combat area after about a month.[11]

Someone stop me from getting 2 more Deathclaws... Please.

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>>53263058
Warmaster Guilliman says get the Dreadclaws. You did mean Dreadclaws, right?

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>>53262949
Cassowaris are their own and I'm not going to say anything against them in the chance one of the Cassowari Intelligence Agency operatives is here, but Geese hold no candles against Emus.
>>53263058
Emus will stop you from getting more Deathclaws.
When they stop your heart from beating.

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>>53262949
>>53262433
Cassowary are not to fuck with; there is a reason Strayabuck dingo people fear them

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>>53263035
I heard they can smell fear by looking at you and that one of them killed a guy with a flying kick, and that another one did the equivalent of the Shaolin Finger Jab heart stab with its claw.

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>>53263104
>Warmaster Guilliman

>>53263184
They're insanely aggressive, and they respond to threats by leaping at them and pecking your eyes out before kicking you to death. Dunno about smelling your fear, im pretty sure they would just attack regardless if its a lost little girl or a terminator

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>>53263035
>>53263184
>>53263115
Great Crusade would have been over in half the time with 2% of the sum total casualties if there wasnt fucking Geese, Cassowary and Emu's on nearly every fucking planet in the galaxy. Even Orks and Chaos wouldnt try and fuck with these death machines. They are the real reason the Federation of Man collapsed at the end of DAoT

>>53263209
Since the title will forever carry the echo of Horus, now they're calling him "Lord Commander of the Imperium", not unlike they did with Warmaster Macharius, Lord Commander Solar.

>>53263104
>>53263115

Yea, I mean Dreadclaws. I have one, and I'm debating getting 2 more because they're fucking awesome

>>53263370
But what are you going to put inside those. What's your list anyway?

>>53248291
>Mk. X power armor

What did Mk. IX look like?

>>53263444
Cawl went from MkVIII to MkX because there would be recognition errors with the older Mk0.99 models. The same as Windows

>>53263245
Lord commanddr of the imperium isnt the same rank as warmaster though, the warmaster leads a crusade while Guilliman is the leader of the Imperium above the high lords, basically taking Malcadors role.

>>53263483
>In the Grim Darkness of the far future, there is only inconsistencies in naming conventions.

>>53263443

I'm Night Lords, so I get claws for days. There will likely be a chainfist Contemptor and two of either Terror Squads or Vets depending.

the MkX armour makes me fuckin sad. Y'know why? Because I built my vets in a specific way to show their veteran status, mk8 + mk4 helmets...so now they're going to look like manlet mk10s and I have wasted months of work.
also canadian geese - in the civilised world we just poison them.

>>53263483
What about Power Armor Mk3.1?

>>53263879
>in the civilised world we just poison them.
In America we pay the government for the privilege of shooting them.

Because Murika.

>>53264248
>Paying the government
Birds have no human rights, because they're birds. And they can't denounce you :^)

>>53263879
I'd love to see a picture of those vets. You didn't waste that time it sounds cool. MK. X is only for BigMarines anyway. Your guys should look like manlets next to them.

>>53264454
>they were coming right at me!

Should I not use Orbital Assault w/ a lot of Vets? I have like 7 Drop Pods in my ebay cart as of now but not sure if should I do this or not/

Well, the claws I was eyeing are gone. Oh well. Now I just have to decide if I should get just the claw bits from Z

>>53264541
>It was going to shoot its honk at me!
>*honk* dindu nuffin.
Fucking technogeese and emubarbarians. Unification Wars when?

>>53263503
>the warmaster leads a crusade
Slightly offtopic because it's M41 stuff, but they're calling it the Indomitus Crusade.

>>53264682
Sure but Guilliman isnt JUST leading the crusade.

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>>53264541
>>53264658
Oh man this needs to be a thing, homebrew technobarbarian ruleset, and give them fucking beam rifles and power talons. THATS why the Unification wars took so long; some demented Magos Biologis gene engineered these fucking things to stop the Emprah

So tg, tell me about the fluff around the smallest faction within your army.

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>Tfw you finally manage to snag a real MKIII Boarding Shield Marine
>It actually shows up in a FW bag

Holy shit

>>53255293
the numarine profile showed of frag grenades and kraks, frags were D6 shots S3 ap- D1 and kraks were 1 shot S6 ap- Dd3 or something like that.

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>>53265111
Smallest faction? Like, a particular unit/group within our army?

>>53265453
Was thinking of the smallest allied detachement, but if you don't have one, reading about one particular squad would be nice

>>53265353
Are thoses purity seals ? I thought the "warrior monk" theme of the space marine came after the heresy

>>53265573
They're fluffed as "oaths of moment" in M31.

>>53265564
I don't even own my own detatchment yet, though I did some list-building recently. They're the militia of a factory/forge world out near the Halo Stars in the service of my marines after establishing their compliance. Imitating Mechanicus troops, their soldiers are heavily augmented to increase their chances of survival in combat due to alien raiders prior to their compliance. What they lack in power compared to their Marine leaders, they make up for with toughness and tenacity, allowing them to hold their own in the field.

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So I'm working on my BaC Contemptor conversion and was wondering what other ideas you guys might add or suggest for him.

If it helps, he's gonna be IF.

>>53265846
a bigger head and maybe some fists, currently he looks pretty plain.

Some added bulk in the form of extra plating could be cool too

Does anyone use the TL volkite culverin on a Dreadnought? The weapon looks great on a contemptor and a bit different from normal but on paper a kheres cannon looks like it would do a better job.

>>53265846
>normal marine helmet in a contemptor
This always looks silly to me.

This guy has a pretty cool guide: https://xenite.wordpress.com/2016/01/02/converting-the-bac-dreadnought-part-1/amp/

>>53265997
FW should have scaled to Contemptor down a bit, so that normal helmets work on it, like on the GW venerable dread.

>>53265846
Not bad anon. I wouldn't use that mk III head though. If I am not mistaken there's a contemptor head in the missile launcher kit that looks pretty cool

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>>53248433
They are pretty nice conversions anon - do you have any of the official Mk1 armour?

Actually, that goes out to anyone - I know it's pretty irrelevant now 30k is a thing, but has anyone used the models from this set in their army?

What was that khorne guy conversion of a thunder warrior with the big fist?
That was also pretty cool, was that you as well?

>>53265573
It wasn't made as a 30k marine, it's a captain from 40k in Mk3

But what >>53265616 said works in 30k

>>53250778
No. It's a shit meme for shit people that took 3 lines from a passage dedicated to WE and a book that is known as one of the if not THE worse of the whole HH line to argue THUNDER WARRIORS WERE THE BEST YOU GUYZZZ!!1!

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What do you guys think about the new plague marines as late-Heresy Death Guard? I'm not too sure about the backpack and the bells.

>>53266586
That's mark 3, so it might be fine. If they turned to Nurgle early then the bells might be alright because they're a fairly common symbol. However, what concerns me is that it looks like those bells might be hanging out of his intestines.

>>53266586
I plan on getting a box of 10 and mixing them with my MkIIIs to make some corrupted HH DG that I can use as Plague Marines in 40k. Also, get a ton of those MkII helmets, they're the shit compared to the FW ones.

>>53266586
Pack's straight from the 2e chaos marines, and I imagine the helmets will be perfect for 30k DG troops.

But the death guard didn't get real nurgle'd up until the final voyage to earth. Them being full on plague marines was more of a scouring thing.

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>>53266586
Yeah, the bells and rot ruin it for me - the Death Guard, outside of perhaps Typhon's inner circle, fell basically all at once, and would just be grimy and damaged.

The spikes on the helmet look okay though.

Actually, now I'm thinking about it, when did bells become such a nurgle thing?
I don't recall them before.

>>53266645
At least 3e era plaguebearer musician had bells.

Bells are sometimes associated with the plague, so I think it comes from that.

>>53266586
Less usefulness than the 40K TS, but that's to be expected.
Heads and backpacks with the bells and/or spike cut off would work great on any 30K DG army.
The arms and legs would work here and there, or if one was theming heavily on late era.
The torsos and pauldrons look like a no-go without heavy work, which is a shame.
All still usable of course, just not as simple as the TS sets which are basically mix and match friendly out of the box.

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>>53266586
Where's that pic from, I haven't seen the new plague marines yet?

I agree with >>53266628, DG for most of the heresy were dark and spikey, but they weren't rotting

>>53266731
>>53266645
>and rot ruin it for me
What's wrong with the rot? Didn't Nurgle give them an absolute pummeling before Mortarion submitted? Weren't they 100% full-on plague marine at Terra?

>Where's that pic from, I haven't seen the new plague marines yet?
I'll give you a hint: it says in the picture.

>>53266645
>Actually, now I'm thinking about it, when did bells become such a nurgle thing?
Realm of chaos, way back in ye olde tymes. A few of the nurgle champions had bells on their staves and kit.

You just didn't see them much because bells were ass to cast well.

bells was lepers, they had to ring 'em to warn people they were coming, so that's nurgly enough.

>>53257358
I have some spare wooden ducks I got as a Christmas present to chop and change. I can build a turbolaser into the four smaller heads and make one big cockpit one, add some armour along the sides and plate the legs and neck with proper armour seals, count it as a Warhound. It's going to be great.

(RIP ideas book #2)

>>53266876
>spider-mastadon
>Dire mecha-goose
>a few less memorable ideas
Send us a copy of your ideas book sometime, i feel like i've come up with or at least added to at least a quarter of the shit in it

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>>53266645
Bells were used by the people who carted out plague victims to tell people they were there to collect.
Bells are used a lot as plague symbolism in classical literature because of this.

By the time of the Siege if Terra, hadn't a lot of the traitors gone full retard? It describes Legio Mortis as having tentacles and shit.

>>53267395
Yeah - basically by the siege of terra the armies look like what they'd look like in 40k - the legions might have more older armour (and even then, both sides got the prototypes from Mars and equipped everyone they could - it's the fight of their lives, after all), but other than that it's the same - the rebels are fully chaos, their armies have loads of daemons and the dark mechanicus have made the first daemon engines

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Any of you got a Tribune with dual Solerite Talons or similar? I am building one right now, hoping that 8th makes claws great again, and I am kinda stumped how to pose his arms.

>>53267803
Based Custard Anon where you at? man needs photos and I'm away from computer so don't have them

>>53266645
Dont tell me this isnt Nurgle af
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEQnzs8wl6E

The 'issue' such as it is, is that while at the siege the respective armies looked 40K in the main, most of the community don't especially want to run 40K looking armies or play against them.
But it's not really a big deal, people should do what they want if they have a vision to make. Don't plz don't be butthurt if people are disappointed or aren't immediately as impressed if you are doing a 40K plastic Siege themed force, that's all.

>>53268735
I mean, if you're dedicated to the theme then fine
But there's more than enough plastic stuff around now, it can't be used as an excuse anymore

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>>53268735
>the most iconic battle of the Horus Heresy isn't 30k enough

>>53268477
Very fitting for DG.

Actually, quite a few Metallica songs do, at least in theme - Creeping Death (literally a DG rule), Nothing Else Matters (very nurgle), One (a soldier who can neither live nor die, in agony), For Whom The Bell Tolls,

>>53266586
According to the guy who painted it, that is WAY too big for use in 30k. Like Custodes size. Source Dakka.

>>53269230
Perfect for nurgle-corrupted thunder warriors then!

>>53254514
Probably works well too, it's a really solid transport with a ton of health, units that would have trouble reaching their intended target are the ideal transported crew.

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>>53266539
>HH1 being the worst, after it gave us Luna Wolf, Death Guard, driving Morty, Indiana Morturg and Saul Tarvitz fluff
Kek, get out and get raped by an Emu,

>>53269575
He's talking about Outcast Dead - he said
>and a book that is known as one of the if not THE worse of the whole HH line

The "and" is important, he's not talking about the FW HH books

>>53267083
So far the list is at something like:
>Whale-stormbird
>Whalepod Manta
>Magos Xander and his Enginseer crew
>Huxley Cyber-Occularis
>Bane BioCastellax
>Zerg Overseer Arvus
>Sentinel Matrix Vulturax
>Spider-mastodon crawlerordinatus
>Dire Mechagoose
>Deerbone Titan
>Tesla Coil Ordinatus
>Flash-clone Levy blobs
>Cyberdog Chaos Spawn
>Bio-phage bombardment servitor-crewed artillery tanks.
>Clone-vat Stormlord.
>Dune Navigator Magos/psyker
>Plasma ball Void Shield Generator

Plus probably a couple other things I can't remember right now.

>>53269817
Oh that book.
Ok, srry. I'm going to see if I can call off the Emu squad...
...
...Nope, can't. Srry. But I can call yet another squad to fight that previous squad. Swan Thralls, weaponized bird-gladiators.

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>The XIth Legion Astartes: The Cassowarryors
>other cognoms: Straya Slayers, Bonza Cunts
>observed stategic tendencies: mounted warfare (similar to the White Scars, but once engaged would fight much more like the World Eaters); scrapcode attacks; void warfare (utilising unique 1-man anti-grav platforms). Tolerance for poisons/toxins said to be close to the sons of Barbarus.
>fate: purged after primarch Dunn-Dyy pissed his brothers off with insentient shitposting (claimed to be "bantz") over the astrotelepathic network.

>>53270428
Now I wish we had three missing legions.
Cassowarryiors, Iron Geese and Dark Emus

>>53270531
You're forgetting the Emperor's favored of the missing legions: The Ostrich Wolves.

>>53270809
>the legio wolfstodes
>the wolves of silence

>>53270428
>Dunn-Dyy
that part's actually good

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So, I posted a few threads back on the subject of traitor Space Wolves. I'm gonna make a 40K Kill Team for a little project of those guys from the Heresy (they'll be Chosen).

Basically, they were an unstable bunch of Space Wolves that were practically disowned by Russ for their overkill and general disrespect for order. Exiled to serve with a Sons of Horus expedition, they melded well with the increasingly wild Cthonians. Istvaan comes, they're entirely on board with Horus and support his claim, despise their actual genefather for their abandonment, and take on the sea green of the Sons while keeping all the runes and general culture of Fenris. Minus the shitty awoo wolf tails.

10K years later they've been raiding and hiring themselves out as mercenaries, kept the sea green and reject Abaddon's Black Legion - in a way still loyal to the memory of Horus, they become a sanctum for dispossessed, bitter veterans of the Long War of the Sons of Horus who hate Abaddon. They're loosely aligned to Khornate worship.

Thoughts? Any ideas for a unique aesthetic, they're gonna be a blend between the two wolf-legions obviously. Top knots, runes, Cthonian gang inscriptions and wolf pelts. They take pride particularly in embodying the perfect hybrid between wolves. Also what kinda colour scheme following the main colour of SoH green? I love that colour.

>>53272939
Wolf for the living, wolf for the dead.

>>53265111

My Ashen Circle have never been blessed in the skeins of fate as the Gal Vorbak; Iconoclast Vorr and his ever-dwindling group of Incendiaries always suffered misfortune in the midst of battle.

It was as if the Four wanted them dead.

As the sons of Lorgar waged their holy war just below their feet, teleportation technology would refuse to work, causing them to arrive when the battle was already finished.

On the rare occasion where they did arrive on time, they struck into the heart of the enemy without the support they were promised. Astartes know no fear, but Vorr and his Incendiaries have lost many good brothers to simple miscommunication and what seems like chance.

In combat, too, they suffered the hand of misfortune. Axe rakes skittered off vulnerable joints when they should have cut deep into flesh. Phosphex grenades skittered back into their lines, or exploded harmlessly. Flamers guttered and died, weak torrents of cleansing fire scorching, but not harming. Bolter shots that should have been deflected, penetrated with lethality.

As Vorr watched his Ashen Circle dwindle, his bitterness stoked the fire of his rage. Increasingly reckless and empowered by the hate that flowed through his blood, the Ashen Circle went from a respected order of the XVIIth Legion to nothing more but glorified cannon fodder.

No longer did they earn the privilege of fighting at Lorgar's side; that was reserved for the Gal Vorbak, and them alone.

Shunned, bitter, and suffering an unsustainable rate of attrition, the Ashen Circle were on the verge of extinction.

And then, suddenly, opportunity for greatness. The Crimson Apostle, Zardu Layak, had need of their services, promising a glorious future for the old sons of Lorgar through the dark channeling of the Primordial force.

Glory always comes at a price. For Iconoclast Vorr, it would be his soul.

>>53273172
Dammit chaos gods why u such a dicks

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What makes the Mastodon so bad? It seems like a suitably massive brick with some decent supporting abilities for a sufficiently deepstrikey army, and you can cram it with those squishy shooty squads like Supports.

There's no Word Bearers in my ideas book yet, so I was considering a massive rolling dark cathedral, with a chaotic Void Shield and summoning affects. Inspired by the chap who made a Spartan Assault Church, since with Dark Brethren I can load it up with Daemons or even Ashen Circle if I feel they're likely to get gunned down.

>>53273172

Damn, that's atmospheric. I presume you don't have great luck with them, then. Doesn't bode well for my army, that.

>>53265111
Does a Knights-Errant in my Talons count?

I just wanted to cram all the agents into on army, so there's Custodes, Sisters, Knights-Errant and a small Militia Detachment as Malcador's Chosen.

Get fucked, traitor scum, the Emperor's judgement is here.

>>53273424
>Spartan Assault Church
I would like to know more

>>53273424

Anon here.

Horrible luck with them. I love the models and I love their background, and I think they're really fun units, but man they are garbage on tabletop (especially in my hands, since I suck at the actual game). Overcosted too. Maybe 8th will fix them, probably not!

There was one time I deepstruck them and they instantly died because they scattered off the table. Twice.

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>>53272314
You rang?

>>53273469
Can't find the picture of it, but it was a Land Raider modified with proper cathedral pulpit on top with a Dark Apostle levitating in it and using some of the 40k scenery bitz to cover the boring chassis with gothic walls and actually well-done spikes. Sexy as fuck, I was thinking of something similar with a Baneblade chassis or two, but I have no idea about the dimensions of the Mastodon.

>>53273544
Think that chapel-tank was on the "tale of five heretics" bit of ADB's blog, but he seems to have deleted all the posts relating to it.

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>>53273544
>>53273634
>>53273469
Found the bugger. Turns out it was actually dark angels.

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>>53273716
And another, blurrier pic.

>>53273716
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Loyal"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>53273716
Mmm yes, this feels like its own reward.

>>53273742
That's the Empire Graveyard right?

Where's the skeleton cage from?

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>>53273716
>>53273742

I seem to remember seeing it on /tg/, so maybe there's two of them. Either way, that's about right.
The Mastodon tank seems to be about twice the length of a Rhino, so a Baneblade chassis made slightly narrower might work well.

Alternatively I make it akin to an actual Mastodon, but I feel that would probably fit the Genetors better. No idea what to load it with, though, since you can only fit so many Gal Vorbak in a list.

>>53273489
>not sure if heresy

>>53274114
It's a Custard. They can do almost anything they want.

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What are you working on, chaps? I'm sitting here working on a massive essay and need to see SOMETHING interesting today or I'll go insane. I can only read so much of Kant's impenetrable prose. Any cool homebrew rules or models, or anyone got some new fluff for their armies?

>>53275299
I feel your pain anon. I'm writing an essay about Hobbes and how Locke took his theories about absolutism to establish the bases of liberalism. Fuck, sometimes I hate studying history

>>53275299
I'm painting tyranids in the ridiculous hope that 8th will make them playable again. If you're wondering what the fuck that has to do with 30k, I've discovered that pallid wych flesh is a lovely paint and it's surprisingly easy to get a nice white with it (doing a blue/white winter scheme on my nids). As a result I'm back to umming and ahhing over what legion to play, having un-discarded white scars as an option because it may actually be within my skill to paint their fucking colour scheme. Will have to do a test model and see.

It's between them, salamanders, and the word bearers, incidentally. Raven guard were an option but I just can't make a test model look good. Also, whatever I go for will probably be fairly mechanised (plan for scars would be an armoured breakthrough for fast tonks rather than the usual bike spam) and that doesn't fit the cawcaws.

+++SHITTY BLOG ENDS+++

>>53275464
Word Bearers is always the answer anon. Maybe Word Bearers with Salamanders and Raven Guard corpses impaled in your vehicles to suit perfectly to your taste

>>53273922
I believe the Empire Inn, though given the color it might be resin.

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I'm working on my loyalists, as usual. Made some more greenstuff wings the other night and put them on my Tartaros, in following with my Cataphractii. I'm nearly finished with a Plasma Support squad, and have been working on and off with a Rhino too.

>>53275106
>They can do almost anything they want.
Like fail to protect the Emperor in his time of need.

Which is why Roboute Guilliman is our spiritual liege and not Konstantin Valdor!

>>53273922
Empire graveyard. The skeleton cage comes from the giant kit

>>53275602
Gold looks too bland. Give it extreme highlights with silver

>>53275383
For me it's the driving forces behind the European moderate Enlightenment, which are pretty much wrapped up a good few decades before Kant wrote anything worth a damn. But I have to talk about him to talk about Leibniz and his influences, and he's slightly before the relevant bit so I have to look at Locke to get a link and a situation to rip into, and then I STILL have to do two thousand words for Friday and do my supporting historian.
OK, bitch over. I would probably agree with the man if he'd write less convoluted logic I could actually understand at less than four pages an hour.
>>53275464

Word Bearers, anon. Paint gloriously butchered loyalists on all their bases if you want pretty contrast, plus you get to play with daemons and convert the shit out of everything.
Good to hear ONE of the white paints is simple to use, my pale-fleshed servitors will appreciate it.

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Since we were talking about my exact project earlier i will share. Im building a mk3 white scars force. Forgive literally everything in this picture, including mold lines, armor autism, general shitiness of the conversion in general, etc

>>53275571
>>53275719
Well, this is sounding pretty definitive. Looks like it's onwards to damnation for me!

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>>53275807
And some WIP vets for some non bike white scars

>>53275812
Lorgar bless you

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So FW fucked up my order and accidentally sent me two Xiphon Interceptors instead of just one.

How douchey is it to run two of them in an Imperial Fist army at 2500?

>>53276034
I would imagine not very, since they're made of shaved paper and nearly everyone has an AA dread or a squad of Hoplites or something. Also a lot of points, but anything that isn't AV14 is going to be evaporated pretty much instantly.

>>53276034
>gee siggy, how come etc. etc.

>>53276034
Doesn't matter, since you ought to send one back.

>>53251685
*the top knot
Only the biggest one will stopper anons leaky ass from the chaos rift

I've never played 30k.
I've never played much 40k. So I'm a complete beginner to tabletop of this caliber.
Got a calth and prospero boxset.

I'm learning towards spacewolves because they seem so much better character wise than their 40k counterparts.

I just want to be mobile and close quarters but also retain at least a little ability to shoot.
I know they have slightly different rules compared to others, no libs or apothecaries. They have their own special unit for that role. Your basic guys are going to be grey hunters. Everything else is just secondary support. What else am I missing?


I'm not totally against picking another legion, Anything that's geared towards being just slightly more mobile and melee next to being a jack of all trades type. Seems like the calth boxset was geared heavy to be ultramarines. But sw seem the most fun to build, and hopefully somewhat entertaining to play without being too much for a beginner.

>>53276408
>implying they care

>>53262433
>cool show
Wow bertholdt the guy is a tall and scared when eren says how his mum died is the colossal titan
And Reiner is the titanic who has the same hair style as him
And then armin is saved because mikasa is so STRONK she could even kill Levi

>>53276546
>stealing £83 of resin

>>53276534
Don't play space wolves
Play sons of Horus, far better

>>53276534
Well, you still get apothecaries, just not the supersize HQ option.

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>>53276599
>implying

>>53276599
actually my friend has plans to make a horus army. Other is going nightlords... why idk.

>>53276534
>mobile and close quarters but also retain at least a little ability to shoot.
You just exactly described the Sons of Horus, anon. Much more tasteful, better paint scheme, Horus is awesome and rules give you bonuses for being up close and personal with BS5 combi-weapons and such, then outnumbering the enemy gets you extra swings in melee. Space Wolves can't really do anything other than charge a mass of infantry across the board with a Primarch megaunit, which is pretty boring all things considered, especially when painting is concerned. SoH can do pretty much anything that has a speedy element to it, and suit Calth and Prospero fairly well due to liking Veterans and Termies a lot. Hell, they can do the SW thing pretty well with the Long March if they want to, although they're better off with Rhino vets IMO.

>>53276785
SW all have counter-attack, so I could see a pod army being made of them.

>>53276819
You know combat will be completely redone when 8th Ed is introduced ugh?

>>53276571
>implying they care

>>53276856
Then why bother having any discussion on the rules at all?

>>53276534
Read this
http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpastebin.com%2FiUqNrrA8
>>53276599
Dubs prove it

>>53276874
Because one or two things being good could change
But if you have a general trend with an army e.g. iW well then you can plan this out if you realise before hand SW are just a terrible legion all around

>>53276785
>recommending SoH with a straight face
You are an evil, evil man.

>>53276904
>SW are still good at X
>nuh uh! 8th will change that
>but you could say that about everything
>nuh uh! IW and other shooty legions are still going to be good
Care to give us more info insider-anon?

>>53276904
The general trend of SW is to be good in melee, so that's covered.

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>>53276908
Im in agreement with SoH anon; Soh are the more tactically diverse army. Requires some brain power to use properly however

>>53276534
>geared heavy to be ultramarines
Play Ultramarines.

>>53277134
They are surprisingly rare in 30k groups. Don't think I've ever seen a smurf in /hhg/ for example.

>>53276785
SW are gay as fuck, and not the good gay.

>>53263879
Can't call them a waste when Guilliman modeled his new men after yours!

>>53269817
Outcast Dead competes with Battle for the Abyss?

>>53277252
They are too reformed to be on /hhg/

>>53277487
Outcast Dead was a fine novel, one of the first to bring the narrative to Terra, pushing aside general notions of realism (WE captain punching through the artificer armor of a Custodian, ripping out his spine killing him instantly for example.)

The segments with Arik Taranis and Ghota are well written in my opinion.

The Thunder Warriors are a cool concept, rather than being Space Marines +1 they are a force that fell prey to the Emperor's early machinations, serving him purely as tools, having been birthed using crude barbaric technology they fought the Gene-hanced Techno Barbarians and best them. Despite being based on the same technological principles, they open up potential for forces during the HH that don't fall between the regular Loyalist/Traitor archetype.

>>53275837
Looking pixely but pretty good, anon.

>>53277490
I believe the word you're looking for is 'refined', which isn't a word I'd associate with the majority of Ultra players. 30k fans, perhaps, but 40k-centric Ultras can be just as insufferable as SW, BA, or DA.

>>53277812
No no, I meant reformed guy. only degenerates post on /hhg/

>>53276534
I'm not sure both box sets were a good idea, but let's see what we can do. You'll want to pick which types of units get Mk III armor and which get Mk IV - e.g. 30 Grey Slayers in one type, and veterans in another. Grey Slayers should take advantage of all the upgrade options they get. Buy some axes because a few of your power weapons should be AP2 so you don't get suck against artificer armored sergeants.

Veterans are great, just kit each squad out for one particular role: anti-tank with meltas and combi-meltas, anti-terminator with all the plasma you can get, or just good, outflanking shooting with bolters and the marksman ability. (Nothing wrong with a couple of heavy weapons for any of them.)

Cataphractii Terminators usually get kitted out for shooting because they can handle return fire and can't sweep like Tartaros can - the latter need an assault vehicle.

>>53277849
That's /tg/ as a whole though. We're all degenerates here.

>>53278001
But by extension they are too reformed to post here.

>>53278001
are there a bunch of ultra fags in the 40k generals?

>>53277589
I am beyond tempted to put my editor hat on and rip Outcast Dead a new one, but instead I will just say that I admire your statement and am glad there are people who genuinely enjoy it. God bless.

>>53278006
I find that to be a bit of a stretch. I think for a lot of people, Ultras already get tons of attention in 40k, so they'd rather play something more flavorful in 30k. As a result, they're something of a minority among 30k factions. There's a few groups you hear from regularly in /hhg/ because they're the most popular, or the meme of the month, but Ultras and others regularly slip through threads with little to no mention. I think I've personally seen three different posters with Ultras in the 7ish months I've been browsing here.

>>53278113
The book definitely doesn't read well, granted, and there is a level of inordinate appreciation that I have for the Unification/Early Crusade era.

What I liked most about the novel is entirely within the small sections with Arik and Ghota, be it personal bias or the manner in which they depict the character, I would still argue that the crude barbarian with an honor code archetype was represented fairly well by them.

>>53278113
Actually I'd really like your opinion on Outcast Dead. Also are you the guy who occasionally does literary reviews of the HH Books?

>>53278250
I don't know if I'd say I do literary reviews, but I am the anon who qualifies opinion posts about BL books by saying I actually am an editor ofnonfiction. I went on a tear about the writing styles of the various authors one time I think people enjoyed (I did anyway) that got a good discussion going if that's what you're remembering.

ADB and John French talked negatively about the poor criticism MoM and PoD got on here on a podcast yesterday, I think that was sliiiightly unfair, the people in who aren't meming generally have valid things to say.

>>53278338
>ADB and John French talked negatively about the poor criticism MoM and PoD got on here on a podcast yesterday

Where? And what did they say?

>>53278338
Which podcast?

I actually really liked Praetorian of Dorn until the end... felt sudden and wasteful to me. But I thought the other 95% was really well-written.

Master of Mankind was a tougher read; it felt important and educating, but I didn't really get into the main characters.

>>53278422
The Imperial Truth. Aaron mentioned the "channy reddit places" were complaining about MoM from a position of stupidity / ignorance a few times, John just kind of nodded along and mentioned the grief he got for killing Alphy.

They were perfectly nice, no reason for anyone to be upset, I just thought it was a little unfair that they focussed on the negative crits, as there were always people in those threads putting the actual authorial intent to the complainers, but I guess creative types just focus on criticism. ADB is a lovely guy but he doesn't react well to people 'not getting it'.

>>53278545
They're going to hate the living shit out of me when and if I ever get to a HH Event. Because I want them to have to confront an actual human being with those complaints and actually have to explain themselves.

Also the Imperial Truth, well that says a lot.

>>53277990
>You'll want to pick which types of units get Mk III armor and which get Mk IV - e.g. 30 Grey Slayers in one type, and veterans in another. Grey Slayers should take advantage of all the upgrade options they get. Buy some axes because a few of your power weapons should be AP2 so you don't get suck against artificer armored sergeants.

got both of the box sets for a little under the price of one, they were opened. The books, boards, etc were all missing, and a few bits. But other than that it was all there.
Everyone at my gameshop said, in general..run with the cataphractii terminators and claws, or at least claws and chainfists.

I figured split the grey slayers into 3-4 groups or categories. Boltpistol / melee wep, bolter groups, and heavy weapons/anti-tank.

As far as other bits go, the gameshop i got to most of the time has a community bits box. Just a huge box of parts from different games, partially sorted. You can pay for what you pick out. Or everyones cool if you donate some if you use any. There's a ton of SW parts, blood angles, grey knights and saw a fair bit of ultramarines bits while sorting through it today.
So that might help out.

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damn, didnt know spacewolves get so much hate. As much as I would want to like them in 40k, they did take the wolf motif a bit too far. Plus there is much more to pick from. I'd consider Auxilia or Mech, if it were not my first time playing a game this size. I got the 2 boxes now, so i should at least do one good legion.

>>53276872

I would care. Frankly my bet is that if anon called them they'd say keep it.

But at least then anon's conscience would be clear.