Primaris Space Marines

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>space marines, but spacier and marinier than before

I just can't

>>53247402
>new edit of jamal and britanny but with MARINE'D instead of TYRANIDE'D
about time

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FUGG, CHAOS WANTS SUMMA DAT SHIZ

>>53247402
Shouldn't be surprised, I honestly just don't see why we needed even more Marines. We are already awash in a tide of them and now we are just getting more.

Also does this mean that, the moment we get a Primaris special character, they'll just be better than Calgar and Grimnar?

The thing said there are gonna be whole Chapters of these guys so that means there will be Chapter Master too and...how will there be whole Chapters of these guys too, how long has it been? Also the implication is that they were made from the Geneseed of multiple different Primarchs so is the idea that Roboute asked to be allowed to use the other Chapter's geneseed as well?

>>53247402
That's a big bolter

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>>53247402
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53247402
My question: will this lead to any actual significant infighting, since the ad talks about some Marines thinking its wrong, or is that just some pointless flavour text and in-canon everyone's going to just get perfectly along with it or at most throw a mean look at each other.

>>53247515
For you

>>53247494
>Also does this mean that, the moment we get a Primaris special character, they'll just be better than Calgar and Grimnar?

I doubt that. The Big Three has nearly a millennia (in Dante's case much more) of experience these numarines don't have. They would be amazing troops but not so great commanders since they don't have experience. Either these chapters are led by veteran oldmarines or numarine chapter masters lack the finer aspects of oldmarine chapter masters.

>>53247402
So they are toilet bowl marines with a new paint job?

Fucking awful. Thanks every redditor begging to 'advance the plotline'.

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I give it two years before all old space marines are completely obsolete and Gathering Storm turns them into Gathering Dust.

8th edition a shit

>>53247546
Somehow I just doubt GW's gonna make these guys worse than their standard marine counterparts, but we'll wait and see.

>>53247585
but m..muh kald0r draig0

>>53247402
>gw tries to sell truescale marines without having to replace the other 200 space marine kits in existence

From a business point of view I get it, from a writing perspective, this is the point where 40k finally jumped the shark.
That's just retarded.

>>53247530
would be hilarious if Gulliman just started a second civil war.
This time it's just ultramarines and successors against everybody else.

Payback for the spiritual liege crap.

>>53247578
>Playing marines
That's what you get for playing the Honda&toyota/Ryu&ken/Subzero&scorpion/Vanilla Icecream of Warhammer races

*Range 30, Strength 4, AP -1 and Rapid Fire.

I presume this is shit?

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:3

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>cost more points
>not universally accepted
>neat looking
>makes Cato look like a bitch
seems fine to me.

>>53247492
Funny thing is, in the article they try to cover for Chaos that they got the support of the Chaos Gods so its okay, except I highly doubt they'll make a standard Death Guard Marine as deadly as a Primaris one.

More mechanically though, how will they be better? I mean base Marines are already now 3+/3+ and 4/4 right? So will these guys have 2+'s? Or 5/5's? In which case aren't these guys just Custodes then?

>>53247597
The FAQ states that they are better in some respects than regular marines, they tend to cost more and are alot more inflexible than a tactical squad.

So it seems you can get just as much bang for your buck with a well equipped tac squad [now you can move and fire heavy weapons]

>>53247578
Grimdark is over. Rest in peace 40k.

>>53247638
DG will be just as big, fatter, and +1 T

>>53247402
So, how long do we have to wait for these fuckers to fall to chaos? Because if they're creating chapters entirely composed of nuMarines, they gonna fall to chaos.

>>53247615
Yeah except I'm pretty sure, with how they're doing stuff, that GW is avoiding the Imperium having any kind of significant internal ructions at all.

It'd be interesting and nice to see happen though.

>>53247638
Might just be a space marine with 2 wounds and a better gun.

>>53247625

There will prob be punch fast marines, punch slow marines, big shoot marines, many shoot marines.

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>>53247644
>Grimdark is over.
And thank Christ for that

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Cawl cannot into low gothic

>>53247618
if nobody would be eating vanilla ice cream you couldn't feel so special about your chocolate scoop, princess.

The the stupidest thing I've heard. If marines weren't vanilla i'd be something else.

The other anon has it right. 40k is a setting, not a story.

I called it exactly right to my friend about the statline of the new bolter.
And I'll bet money they have S/T5 on top of it, and 30k version of heavy weapons.
>>53247625
For a basic infantry weapon, it's good shit.
For example, back in the day, space marines could upgrade from bolters to shurikats precisely because shurikats were 30", S4, Ap-1 with double tap.

>>53247402
At least none of them are female... ultimate lore break avoided

>>53247649
No need, just make the chaos version of this the chosen. Chosen marines grow a foot in height due to chaos gifts and are stronger. done and done.

>>53247625
It's a longer range bolter.

>Horus Heresy Plate with Modern Ad Mech tech on top

What does that mean exactly? I thought all "modern" Power Armour was based on that anyways?

>>53247638
Oh man i did not see that death guard video, thanks for the heads up dude

>>53247674
Bummer, I was hoping for that autistic shitshow. Would have been hilarious.

>>53247674
No helmets were removed, anon.

They're just going to take it easy for a few weeks, then you'll see Chapter Master Marianne.

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>>53247402

>"That image is fake, a kit bash."
>official GW images show them
>"They're just 'proper' Mk8 power armour"
>'MkX power armour'
>"They're just standing upright."
>'genetically altered from their brethren to be bigger'

Denial is a powerful thing.


But seriously, meh. We stormcast now.

I'd like to know where Mk9 PA and why must everything always have to be tied to 30k. Shit sucks. At this point there's HH and then there's late M41, and nothing of note happened in between. Everything is tied to HH. We might as well squeeze the timeline down to HH happening few hundred years before M41 and it'd feel much more plausible.

Couldn't Claw have done this project in secret (they could tie some of the failed Foundings on his experimentations) while trying to resurrect Girlyman. Once they got the primarch out, they could use him to find the missing pieces to complete the project (like how during 30k primarch genetic matter was used to stabilize accelerated development of Marines, allowing them to be created in a year vs. 8-10 years, if I remember correctly). Why did it have to be Girlyman's orders? Did Girlyman order Claw to find a way to resurrect him as well? Might as well. I bet the Emperor told Girlyman to do it, knowing all this well in advance.

>>53247674

Just wait until you see the Primaris Adepta Sororitas, cleansing the galaxy of mutation and heresy via snoo snoo.

>>53247641
I was mostly talking fluff, not crunch. Mechanically all types of stuff can result, Nobs often die to Marines with knives in combat in fluff but not as much crunch.

I only meant fluffwise. Not to mention the article than seems to say their only drawback is limited numbers compared to standard Marines. And as anyone who reads 40k Lore knows limited numbers is practically never a problem if you are a Marine, so I guess these guys will often just be doing for regular Marines what regular Marines were already doing for Guardsmen in fluff.

>>53247674
how do you know? Just because they haven't mention it?

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>>53247402
THE LEAKS WERE REAL

AGE OF EMPEROR NOW

>>53247695
>Not reading the Articles, none of them have any language that could refer to female, only manly men with bigger guns.

>>53247674
Why exactly do you autists keep trawling this stale bait out as though it was ever a thing?

I wonder what the chapters on the opposite side of the rift are doing while Gillyman gives everyone marines 3.0

>>53247659
Seem they're overhyping how much superior they are then, but sure that could be it, that might even be a little bit better.

I'm guessing their armour has to be better too, since they make such a thing about it, but I'd be surprised if they have base 2+ saves so maybe rather a base low Inv or something, I dunno.

>>53247625
its bolters with +6 range and the equvilent of AP 4
They are marines with kraken rounds, bretty good

>>53247671
It files Ris
>>53247676
I mean for lore, the ultimate FUCK YOU to the single ray of hope emerging from the grim darkness would be if Gulliman's ultra-ultramarines immediately betrayed his cause. Horus Heresy 2.0

>>53247690
Probably means the older more durable and high tech stuff made with the years of experience the Imperium has had dealing with current enemies in mind.

Tried and true principles, modern sensibilities.

>>53247716
Because if girls start playing with our army men too, it might be less manly.

>>53247515
It's a rifle now, I guess.

Stats are suspiciously close to what we expected Tau Pulse Rifles to be.

>>53247704
>Mk9 PA
GK armor is technically Mk9, anon, just like Aegis terminator armor is the next mark.

>>53247644
Guess we are going into the nobeldark then.

>>53247708

They never tell of the exact numbers but Guillaume's Terran Crusade led to the the near extinction of the Ultramarines and severe depletion of other chapters.

I presume this is GW's attempted handwave to make up for the losses done to a 1000 man battle formation during an age of strife.

>>53247704
>why must everything always have to be tied to 30k

People love marines. 30k is all about the marines. GW has spent a decade fleshing out 30k to the point where it's now REQUIRED READING for 40k.

You're right though. Fuck 30k. It was better off being a few pages of fluff that set the scene for the setting.

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much better than this shit

They are fixing the game. In 2 years you will be happy for having better looking armies. Also you can still play your old shit.

>>53247739
Please god, let this be true.

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Once everybody is super, nobody is super. Nice to see my marines have gone from a step up from the comparison point of guardsmen to just another rung on the ladder.

Fall to Chaos when?

>>53247671
>implying it's not just GW rebranding the bolter to Bolt Rifile™

>>53247713
Nothing said that they were all male either, anon.

They're playing it safe. No mention of lady marines for now, so they can deal with the first wave of autistic screeching. But they're coming. Better start drafting up that ebay listing.

>>53247724
I'd be pretty happy if the armour just gave them either a 3+ that ignored a point of penetration or rerolling 1's with no access to 2+ saves.

>>53247735

We Tau Marines now

>>53247757

Please, where were you when they released Grey Knights? Or even the Death Watch?

>>53247585
Jokes on gw. Muh marines are pre-heresy

>>53247704
I'm just honestly amazed Cawl managed to, apparently, keep this secret from everyone and everything, including Inquisitor Grandmasters, Drakan Vangorich, Assassins and more for the last 10 000 years. I'd have thought somewhere there'd have been someone noticing it eventually.

>>53247757
That is why marines are gay as fuck. IG are cooler

Also why Sigmarines are gay in AoS. Freeguild/empire are cooler

The gud guise are supposed to be the underdog. not the demigods

>>53247690
Mk.IV Maximus armor was considered the most advanced form of power armor. With Mk.V being last-ditch-late-war. Mk.VI being specialty armor for recon purposes. Mk.VII being cheaper than Mk.IV but nearly as good.

That was my understanding anyway.

bury it
consider this mercy

>>53247402
Nice helmet, though I still prefer my beaks. The faulds and poleyns are nice, too.

Shame the pauldrons are still just big ugly bubbles but I suppose there's no fixing that after this much time.

I already have 40 Grey Hunters and 15 Blood Claws with 25 wolf guard, so a tonne of infantry...

I guess I'll wait and see if they release a SW upgrade kit for these guys and maybe just get a single squad.

I already have bigger better marines in the form of Wulfen.

>>53247730
I highly doubt they'll do a betrayal arc, not now.

>But I play Chaos! Where are my super-super-human reinforcements?

>First off, that’ll teach you for turning your back on the Emperor.

Honestly this seems like a decent change. Seems like another low model count marine option. Neat that they were able to use the same scale helmet and pauldrons.

>>53247638
I actually don't think the statline will be better than a normal marine, but I do think they may have some "Primaris" special rule that implies they're better. If they want entire armies of new Primaris Marines, they're going to want to keep the point costs similar to old marines.

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>>53247615

Well my custom chapter is succeeding. Already said "fuck your little book pansy" about 10,000 years ago.

Fuck the Ultramarines
Fuck the Imperium
Fuck the Primarch

>tfw id already based most of my chapters personality and philosophy on The Hound from ASOIAF and now I get to actually go mimic his storyline. Thanks GW.

Inb4: it's preheresy Imperial fists. It's the scheme I use.

>>53247402
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/48444329/

AS HAS BEEN FORETOLD

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>>53247671
>10,000 years to design a brand new weapon for the next generation of super-soldiers
>BEHOLD, THE MK II BOLTER, EXACTLY THE SAME AS MK I BOLTER BUT WITH A SLIGHTLY LONGER BARREL!

Humans everyone.

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>it's just a photoshop
>it's just a kitbash
>gw would never do that

>>53247736
>GK armor is technically Mk9, anon, just like Aegis terminator armor is the next mark.

GK armour is the Aegis suit, which is its own pattern, quite clearly borrowing from the MkVI (which was the latest suit pattern at the time in production and the suit worn by the Knight-Errants). Same with Aegis terminators and their very clearly Indomitus inspired design.

>>53247740
Don't really know, Chapters often pretty much die, like the Crimson Fists, but then don't really suffer any lasting harm and are still taking part in fights left right and center and winning battles. Besides did it really say the Ultramarines almost went extinct?

Dear complaining faggots:

The box set is going to have like 2 squads of these doods and will be a great value like all the GW starter sets. Trade the deathguard half for more marines, Bam instant collection. You wont have to spend much to get up to date

>>53247492
>First off, that’ll teach you for turning your back on the Emperor.

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>>53247777
DW and GK are specialists. I don't mind a marine with extra training and equipment being better against a very specific threat. Just seems a bit annoying to just outright state these lads are better than normal marines.
>>53247794
I'd play guard if the sculpts weren't older than my kids.

>>53247671
Rifle can't be copyrighted.

>>53247739
Only for the Imperium. Everyone else is fucked. Chaos had a bit of a moment of brightness but looks like they're about to get their shit pushed in hard again by the Indomitus Crusade. Apparently Chaos is so pathetic they still couldn't even actually claim control of the Cadian System.

>>53247781

The only surprising thing is that he has enough to repopulate and even build entirely new chapters out of Primaris marines.

That must mean Cawl has had AT LEAST A LEGION OF MARINES IN HIS BASEMENT. At least if it can replace the losses AND build new chapter of this period.

An entire legion! People freak the fuck out over the Black Templars having 200 marines more. But Cawl had what must have been the most potent military fighting force of the Imperium hidden in his garage for Ten thousand years.

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>>53247402
>No blast markers
>40mm Sergeants

Nuuu Games Wooorkshooop

>>53247827
And the difference is marks is usually not incredibly different, visually. The Errant got it's own mark principally because of the gorget.

I'm super happy about this. It's their way of fading in rules and models to properly represent marines as they're described in the fluff.

How would you guys have introduced rules and models to accurately represent marines without completely invalidating your army in one fell swoop?

>>53247781
If he got the order from Girlyman, Cawl just needed to show that paper to anyone and they couldn't do shit, because primarch orders. It's a bit like how SW could fight the Inquisition and not get into too much trouble, because they were both following orders. Or how the Inquisition nor Ecclesiarchy can revoke a Rogue Trader charter signed by the Emperor or a primarch.

>>53247814
>you will never get to combine human and xenos technology to create the perfect flashlight with your earth caste waifu
Feels bad, man.

So bets on which faction is getting squatted in nu40k? I've heard Tau as an option so far but that seems an unlikely about face to me.

>>53247402
Seem perfect for Alpha Legion

>>53247834
>Just seems a bit annoying to just outright state these lads are better than normal marines.

But they don't. The article seems to go to pretty decent lengths to stress that they are better in some area's but largely inflexible and expensive to produce.

Just because they're more advanced in some area's doesn't make them the new hot shit, there's still a lot to be said for normal Marines.

>>53247828

Well I suppose not. It was more assumption on my part that Guillemane would have led a larger portion of ultramarines on his crusade. And we do know most of the crusade was wiped out.

>not a single one of the numarines wears the imperial aquila on their chestplate
What did they mean by this?

>>53247834
Honestly my idea army would be a horde of guardsmen and 1-2 squads of marines. That's how it should be in my opinion. They would feel ELITE like they are supposed to.

In the books you always read about this crazy battle of normal men going on and then some marines come in and fuck up everything.

Entire armies of superhumans just aren't cool, especially when they get eaten by some gaunts.

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>>53247402
>Primaris Marines
>Has a specific name for Tacticals, 'Intercessors', just like Stormcast
>Improved geneseed
>Doesn't say how it's improved

Confirmed for working on wimmin now. Pepper ur angus for the tidal wave of butthurt.

>>53247494

I definitely think part of the reason these new Marines are a thing is simply because GW is a business and the well was running dry with regards to what they could add to the SM range. They already mentioned Primaris Redemptor Dreadnoughts and new vehicles.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the fact that you can field an entire army of the new Marines, but with less models because they cost more points wise, is GW catering to people who want a small army but don't want to be pidgeonholed into Grey Knights, Deathwing, or some other kind of all Terminator army.

As for characters, I wouldn't be surprised if there are no rules for such. The Stormcast Eternals have various characters in their lore, but none of them have specific rules.

As for other Chapter's geneseed, technically it seems like he wouldn't have to ask since it's Cawl who did the work and all Chapters send a tithe of their geneseed to Mars.

>>53247615

Eh, in some ways I think they've offered an argument for why the new Marines are justified lorewise. Chaos is on the ascendant and a bunch of Chapters have suffered heavy casualties fighting either them or other threats.

Chaos being on the rise also means that the gods will be able to invest more of their power into Chaos Space Marines.

>>53247672

The idea that settings have to remain is stasis is one of the stupidest things repeated on /tg/ and I believe solely a result of GW shitting themselves after the original 13th Black Crusade and Storm of Chaos and deciding that it's better to play it safe by piling events one on top of the other and having any new models either being magically rediscovered or always existing.

I'm pretty sure this is not the first time 40k has advanced. I recall seeing not too long ago an old interview done for the third or fourth edition Tyranid codex where Andy Chambers, Jes Goodwin, and maybe Phil Kelly talk about advancing what Leviathan is doing.

>>53247876

Seem to me to be pretty much shock troops, good but far to expensive to use on mass. I hope they cost more than terminators.

>>53247873
Imperial Guard are going according to various leaks. No one leak has been 100% accurate so far though.

>>53247848
But that's what I mean. How has he been amassing a Legion of Space Marines+, and all their armaments, and no-one has noticed? I'm hoping we'll at least be told all of Mars was in on it, and hiding it on Mars.

It just seems a bit too much to me. Surely the sheer diversion of resources he needed would ahve attracted the attention of at least some Inquisitors.

>>53247402
>redemptor Dreadnought
I know I probably shouldn't be this hard, but if all the nuMarine lore is about edgy shit like redemption and sacrifice it may just offset the hit the setting's taken to the grimdark. Super-superhumans can be done well, all it really depends on who GW gets to write the lore.

so what's the base size for these big fuckers? 40mm or 32mm?

>>53247888
Get that nazi stuff out here.

New emporium is going to be progressive democracy as they fight against the evil right wing chaos.

>>53247876
>largely inflexible

Where does it say that? It just says different weapon options.

>>53247781
he's been working for 10,000 years. Even the longest-lived inquisitor lord would be a couple of hundred at most. Maybe every time somebody was getting wind of it, Cawl just put the project on hold for two centuries and waited till everybody suspicious was dead of old age.

>>53247903
>Seem to me to be pretty much shock troops
Gamewise yeah. I can see them also being like some super secret DEVGRU shit in the fluff too.

If they have the punch of terminators but trade armor for speed though, I'll be happy.

>>53247892

The problem is a lack of standardization on what exactly a marine can do. We know very well what an IG guardsman can do. But Marines have been known to conquer entire planets on their own or destroy a lesser craft world.

On the table top a single marine ought to be able to wipe the floor of an all IG infantry army fluff wise. But of course that wouldnt be fun either.

>>53247847
You've had 20+ HH books wanking over you.

>>53247904
>Imperial Guard
>implying this
>>53247937
Right in the faq, anon, read shit.

>>53247615
>would be hilarious if Gulliman just started a second civil war.
That's too much moral greyness for new GW, this is a goodies vs baddies narrative and they're thoroughly committed to it.

>>53247900
Plus people have been wanting marine armies that are closer to the fluff power levels for ages.

>>53247870
Yeah but in that scenario people would still KNOW. I don't mind if people knew but let it happen. That's fine. The problem is, seemingly, no-one but Cawl and Guilliman themselves knew anything about this. Honestly who prepped the recruits?

Also if I recall correctly the SW's and Inquisition didn't not get into trouble due to going 'Primarch's orders' but due to the Inquisition determining it was not in their interests to fight them and reduce resources. At least at the end of Sanctus Reach the Inquisitor definitely doesn't withdraw due to thinking about any Primarch orders.

>>53247402
As if we needed more marinewank.

>>53247952
>Right in the faq, anon, read shit.

>So, Primaris are just better in the game, right? What’s the point of using older Space Marines?
>Marine to Marine, they certainly have some advantages over a Tactical Squad, but it comes at a cost. These guys will cost more points than standard Space Marines, so you’ll have fewer of them, and their weapon options will be different. For maximum tactical punch, you’ll want to bring all your Space Marines to the tabletop.

kys

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>>53247897
>The emperor was black all along, so was jesus
>50% marines are now female because due to genetic manipulation they are equal physically
>50% of male marines are now black because they waz kangz
>Chaos are all white, like abbadon, kharn etc because they are evil
>Eldar calling people monkegh is no longer canon because it sounds like monkey and may offend KANG players

Question

Which chapters would be AGAINST these numarines?

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>Ultramarines successors use more and more NuMarines
>Eventually become the mainstay of their legions
>Other chapters eventually outright refuse them, clashing too much with their own Primarch's gene seed
>Ultramar revolts
>Imperium Secundus
>Horus Heresy 2: Heresy Harder
>Ultra Ultra Marines become the new hot shit

This is the trouble with 40k: Everything new has to be more powerful than something else otherwise it won't sell. You end up with ridiculous power creep where Marines have gone from Angel os Death to just the baseline for the setting.

>>53247961
Mechanicus Magos have a huge amount of autonomy. There's virtually zero oversight from Mars.

>>53247876
also, even if they're smart, strong, tough, fast and really well equipped...

...they have less than a year of actual battlefield experience. Compared to the 70+ most tactical marines have

>>53247938
Since we already have inquisitors who can pass their minds over into younger bodies, and more besides, I'm honestly sure simply putting your project on hold once the Inquisition is suspicious of you does not automatically solve all problems.

>>53247995
Black templars maybe, they might get uppity about people trying to improve upon the god-emperor's work.

>>53247753
In 2 years people will still be stuck with gorilla guardsmen, 20+ year old metal SoB, warp spiders, wartrakks etc.

But at least we got new marines!!!!

>>53247888
Probably because Guilliman is trying to de-fash the Imperium and they're his pet project. Of course he's going to cut back on the iconography.

>>53247995
Imperial Fists probably.

The other first founding chapters are so weak and close to extinction they'd guzzle a litre of cum if Guilliman said it'd improve their battlefield odds.

>>53247903
>Shock troops, good but far too expensive to use on mass

You mean Terminators? Why fill a role that already exists?

>>53247995
Raven Guard would be constantly on edge for the issues which plauged the Raptors to appear.

>>53247961
Cawl relied on the one imperial aligned faction that everyone believes is dead... That's right, Cawl was working on this project alongside the Squats.

>>53248014
This again, yes Mars has a great deal of autonomy, but that does not translate into the capacity to do anything whenever it wants too, as shown throughout the story. That this never gained the attention of anyone surprises me.

Then, with that said, if Mars as a faction was in on this together, then I am willing to believe it, but as of yet it has not been indicated if any Martians besides Cawl knew.

>>53247937
It also stresses that you'll want to keep normal marine options in your army too, plus it imply's it's smart to add them to a guard list. Seems to imply that even though they're better in some ways they lack the range of options of the other two army's and they benifit from the backup.

>No way! Primaris Space Marines do not replace regular (if a superhuman killing machine can be described as ‘regular’) Space Marines. These guys have a few extra genetic enhancements, thanks to Belisarius Cawl, and serve as additional reinforcements in the Adeptus Astartes arsenal, not replacements.

>Yeah you can. These new Space Marines will be available to use alongside all Imperial armies to fill some battlefield roles your army might normally struggle with.

It's all a guessing game for now though and that's just my read of it.

>>53248018
That's an excellent point too fluff-wise.

>>53248046
see
>>53247942
also because of money, this is a business after all.

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>>53248001
>Dorn, Khan, Russ, Vulkan, all come back to put Rowboat back in his place

>>53247900
They could have released new rhinos and rhino chassis vehicles anyway. I doubt there's a single person who wouldn't want new rhinos that actually fit together properly, have turrets that actually lock in to the hull like the russ has and they could throw in the old style doors and shit too.

>>53248036
Fuck that noise.


>>53247402
But do they fit in Rhinos and other transports at the same rate? Custodes dont, for instance.


New metal boxes inbound?

>Average Space Marine probably thinks he's the hottest shit
>Suddenly Primaris Marines are introduced, and now they're supposedley better, smarter, superior than you even though they have less combat experience and everything
>You're relegated to cleaning up the Chapter toilets while the Primaris Marines get the glory and the battles
I feel bad for those Scouts who just barely missed being turned into Primaris Marines and are now average Space Marines.

>>53248046
It's about making marines what they should be, should have been all along since the game went beyond skirmish. It's the initial transition. They have no specific role other than the supplant the existing models long term.

>>53248046
terminator armour supposedly includes a small sliver of the emperor's armour...

...after 10000 years, and god knows how many chapters, they might be starting to run low on bits of Big E's pants

How big are these fags compared to custodes?

Is this what it feels like to have played Bretonnia?

So between Custodes, Primaris Marines and normal Marines are all the best base warriors in the game now from the Imperium?

>>53248079
Russ is dead in like two canon events. And why does everyone forget about the Lion?!

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I'm calling these Primarines

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>>53248103
Just improve the power and points cost of existing marines then. If this is about making marines what they should be, why don't they just change the old marines? This is pushing old marines back into the dirt.

>>53248123
nah, mate. Bretonnia didn't get replaced with Nuknights that are Knightier with Double Chivalry.
They just died out.

>>53248129
So they don't make people's old models invalid. Now they're just making them 2nd tier.

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>>53248091
>New metal boxes inbound?
It does say there are new vehicles.

cheaper land raiders when

>>53248113
Could make a whole codpiece with what the Dark Angels are lugging around.

>>53248125
They're jealous of our obvious superiority.

>>53248129
> why don't they just change the old marines?
Because they want your money, duh

>>53248095
I suspect the Primaris Marines were never scouts. I reckon they were vat-grown.

>>53248123
Bretonnia is just dead. Here you still have a space marine army except all your old marines are worthless.

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>bigger than regular Astartes
>32mm bases
>not as hunched, seems just slightly taller
They don't really look that fucking gigantic compared to typical Astartes. I sorta expected something the size of a Custodes, but these dudes look like they're the size of the Deathwatch Marines.

>>53248043
lol'ed

>>53247704
I was happy with other developments for 8th, but this one just seems goofy

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>>53248125
>Wanting a heretic to come back and fight Girlyman

>>53247897
Is there any foundation for complaints, besides pearl-clutching anti-sjw shit?

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>>53248018
Astartes were better than Thunder Warriors when first deployed, purely due to training, Mk II power armour and the nature of their enhancements.

Hell, there'll be IG veterans with more experience than the Nu Marines, doesn't mean they'll be better than them.

>>53247995
Marysuetaurs will be against it, but only because they actually have their own Primaris+1 marines and don't want to downgrade.

>>53248036
A lot of Imperial iconography is linked to worship of the Emperor as a god, so you may well be right.

>>53248170
>They don't really look that fucking gigantic compared to typical Astartes
>when that guy in the middle is filling up a 40mm base better than a terminator
I know he's doing a jojo-level pose, but even a deathwatch marine or rubric would have sincere difficulty filling a 40mm that well

>>53247659
2W True(ish) scale Astartes have been my dream for years.
They look fucking fantastic too with their Maximus style helmets.

Fucking hyped af.

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>>53248079
>Built the strongest fort in the galaxy

u wot m8

>>53248129
Because the margins on large models is higher and because the primaries models are more or less to scale now with everything else. Marines now have the rules of marines and the models to represent their fluff.

As a business they're trying to balance their revenue with the expectations of the customer. They do all or nothing where you have to buy a new army and they'll lose too many people. They do just rules, then revenue stagnates and margins remain the same, meaning less retained earnings to reinvest in new product lines. The way they're doing it is a transition. Mark my words, in 5 years, nobody will be using old marines.

>>53248170
Just not walking around like they've just been buttfucked will make them significantly taller than oldmarines.

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>>53248170
They look like regular Marines that have had their legs straightened out a bit and everything beefed up ever so slightly. So they're pretty much true-scale Marines.

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>>53248001
>Warhammer 42000
>Guilliman's Heresy

>>53248091
I agree with you, but hopefully this is a sign that the fluff will touch on the conflict between Big G and the existing Imperium. If we're lucky it won't just be "Big G is right, remove all of that troubling eagle related imagery from our fascist theocracy."

>>53248215
Well he did and you knocked it down
>>53248252
But he asked Dad first.

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>>53248170
Is that the new Guilliman approved power pose?

>>53247794

Normal people get their shit pushed in when their opponents are buffed up by the power of gods. The Empire had technology and discipline on its side, but that doesn't mean much when you're pretty much facing an entire civilization backed up by monsters and daemons and with the power to weaken you from within via plagues and even turning your own food supply against you.

Empire only survived as long as it did because GW deemed that it, plus Kislev, and Dwarfs was enough to stop the last great Chaos incursion.

>>53247888

Pretty sure the skull and wings has always been an alternative for Marines.

>>53248089

Sure, you can possibly retread ground with other older kits, but what then? GW may be at the point technologically where even they don't expect to sell new kits that are just marginally better than what they released a few years ago.

Another factor is that GW loves and views as a strength the fact that all of the Marine ranges are basically compatible with each other. If they just decided to make the same old Space Marine kits but bigger, that shits all over one of the range's strengths. I think that is why they bother to even answer the question regarding whether or not you can kitbash Primaris Marines with older kits. Seems like you're still losing a lot of options, but since the Primaris Marines are separate units with their own rules it theoretically doesn't sting as bad.

>>53248170
Which is awesome since I just started building a deathwatch force for my first marine army.

>>53248157
They would be stupid not to work this lack of humanity angle into new rifts between marine forces.

>>53248170
You can see compared to the marinelets on their left and right, they're about a head taller.

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>>53248201
The Sarge is doing Guillimans pose and is the only one on a 40mm base. But I'm just eyeballing it based on that shot in the vid, I could be completely off. Judging by that pic they look to be half a head to a head taller than regular Marines.

>>53248236
Yeah, the Deathwatch Mk8 Marines all stand upright and look enormous compared to regular Marines.

>>53248270
Like pottery.

>>53248221
My problem is that while yes, the models and rules of these guys do represent oldMarines better on the tabletop, have you *seen* GW's lore escalation with hyper-marines? Every Custodes costs as much as an entire space marine chapter to train and equip and could take on a thousand space marines and win. These are the same space marines that can purge entire planets of orks by themselves in some lore.
Mark my words, each of these marines will be able to punch a land raider in half barefisted. We Dragonball Z now.

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Welp since I have never bought any wh40k stuff I'll just wait till the oldarines get nukes and the numarines come in right?

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Orkz iz nev'r getting an update.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/news-from-the-plague-planet/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BceinBiT9jQ

So mortarion confirmed?

See the video

Or is this old news? im out of the loop.

>>53248256
The FAQ and article both hint that everyone isn't totally cool with this, I certainly can't imagine the Ecclesiarchy and SOB are ok with what's going on and an Inquisition v Rowboat prizefight is basically guaranteed from where I'm standing.

>>53248272
>Pretty sure the skull and wings has always been an alternative for Marines.
Didn't it start as a way for loyalists to separate themselves from traitors in the HH? Makes sense that for a guy with no regard for the religious slavery to tradition that Rowboat seems to be he'd ditch it if he didn't need it.

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>>53248126
?

>>53248324
Old news buddy

>>53248324
There's a date on it. Months old.

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>>53248043
Are you calling the space wolves and dark angels weak? You're a retard my dudes.

>>53248323
Ironjawz AND bone splittas
Oh wait you play spacemarinehammer40000
Why would they update orcs in 40k when marines are 88% of the playerbase?

>>53247736

Lupio pattern (Space wolves runic armor) is the Mk IX.

>>53247888
>>53248272
>>53248332
>Niggas don't know the Imperialis
That's the name for the skull and wings symbol, literally been a SM symbol since the start.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperialis

>>53248343
Not bad, but needs the nose and tutu.

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>>53248126
Mega-Marines

>>53247811
>tfw id already based most of my chapters personality and philosophy on The Hound from ASOIAF

lol what a cuck

>>53247753
So instead of simply fixing old models they created a new kind of space marines, and left old models as is.

>>53248343
Codex Approved

>>53247494
They are supposed to be replacements to the existing space marines. They just really don't want to admit it.

I will eat a land raider if they don't phase out the current range of infantry over time, replacing them with slightly bigger equivalents.

>>53248256
Yeah, I want to feel like the imperium is at odds with itself, not that GW is at odds with the player base.

Somebody burning his space marine army and posting a video when?

>Khan comes back

Makes Fast Marines

>Vulkan comes back

Makes Hammer Marines

>Russ comes back

Makes Furry Marines

>Corax comes back

Makes Sneaky Marines

>Mannus comes back

Makes Headless Marines

>>53248360
Space Yiffs are borderline extinct after Magnus fucked them, Dark Angles are probably doing alright tho.

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>>53248368
>That's the name for the skull and wings symbol, literally been a SM symbol since the start.
Oh well.

>>53248360
Dark Angels legion building when?

>>53248391
I need this. It'll help fill the void that the lack of autists screeching about FemMarines left in my heart.

>>53248324
we have seen some small pics of the whole model already

>>53248388
I think its a good thing. The old marines look like ass. Only minus is the price going up.

>>53248414
Can I get a tldr; of that event? Magnus came back and destroyed Fenris right?

>>53248391
Won't happen until they announce the Primaris geneseed works on girls.

>>53248399

>Lion comes back
>Makes Chaos Space Marines

>>53247638
Unless the Primaris are S/T 5, they're probably going to be outclassed by cult marines. Rubricae already have a better gun (R24" and AP -2 versus R30" AP -1), plus a 5++, plus conditional 2+ armor.

>>53248388
I imagine a new base tactical squad will get produced before too long.

>>53248378
I imagine the issue is that once you start tweeking things towards "truescale", all the other models will also need a similar revamping. There are scale issues all over the damn place.

Also, they seems to kinda care that a lot of people have a a lot invested in their marines.

>numarines use more refined geneseed
>more alike to a primarch than a normal marine
>blood angel numarines have wings
>space wolf numarines have fangs and claws and shit
>salamanders numarines are literally fireproof
>dark angels numarines all have autism

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>>53247994
>never has this image been more relevant than now

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>>53248424
>>53248438
Smells good

>>53248324
>death guard

lol who cares

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we're fucct

>>53247800
What you gonna do when Primaris Wolfen hit the streets?

>>53248424
>>53248438
You are now imagining the mould line on the backpack that goes right through the middle of the backpack and over the lip of that armour plate on the exhaust things.

Have fun.

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>>53247897
My dick is ready.

>>53248424
>Be numarine and barely out of training
>Forget spare ammo and only realise ten minutes before the grizzled oldmarine sergeant's inspection
>Panic because sergeant is scary despite being a marinelet
>Get one of the serfs to paint some onto your armor
>tfw sergeant doesn't notice

>>53247811
>Based on the hound

So your chapter says fuck the Imperium, goes around screaming at little girls, rescuing kittens, eating whole chickens and murdering farmers?

...so they're space wolves then?

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>>53248414
Nigga this is the snowflake wolves we are talking about. Logan will probably decapitate 3 in one swing.

>>53248456
I would not mind whole chapters of winged marines.

>>53248429
Almost, wolf spirit of wolf planet Fenris defeated chaos an shieet.

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>Banner for 8th was a NuMarine all this time and we didn't realise

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>>53248449
>scale issues all over the damn place.

Damn right. Get the tanks in line with scale so they don't look so childish and derpy.... Leman Russ tanks, I'm looking at your 400mm barrel/shells.

>>53248456
Pretty much confirmed in the FAQ.

>>53248491
Nervous NuMarine is my new favorite thing.

>>53248429
Magnus came back and fucked shit up then the inquisition purged 90% of the survivors for seeing demons. Mortarion also nurgled an entire planet next to Fenris.

>>53248170
well at least these will be cool for true-scaling some kill teams.

>>53248503
Does that not then confirm chaosbigmarines.

>>53248503
Well no it's basically just a slightly altered Mk IV helmet and GW art has never been consistent.

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>>53248079
Good luck fighting real god mon-keighs.

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>>53247811

>Reading ASOIAF
>Bitching about a shitty book

>>53248521
They kind of are pretty close to true scale already.

>>53248519
>inquisition comes up and kills more than Magnus because "CANT BE TOO CAREFUL"

Serves em right for Prospero honestly

>>53248514
Fuck you I love my massively over-calibred barrels

>>53248503
I sincerely hope this is the art on the box of the starter kit. That would be really dope.

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>>53248284
Its captain though, see image.

>>53248043
Weren't the Imperial Fists killed down to a man?

Wouldn't that mean basically their entire chapter will be the new marines now?

Wait, does Guilliman still think 1000 man chapters is the way to go?

>>53248424
honestly the only thing I'm not digging is the lip around the knee-pad. Hope there's going to be some with the MKVI style legs.

>>53248539
>real god
>an eldar god is being held in a cage by some fat turd since forever
lol

>>53248557
G-Dubbs plz

>>53248527
Yeah, the FAQ mentions Chaos will be getting an equivalent.

>>53248514
People who bring realistic proportions into 40k are the height of cancer.

>>53248445
>the geneseed is in the elbow now

>>53248567
That was back in M32. They rebuilt the chapter using the geneseed from other Imperial Fist successor chapters.

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>wanting to keep your old marines
lololololl

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>>53247811
>my custom chapter is succeeding.
>id already based most of my chapters personality and philosophy on The Hound from ASOIAF

I think I speak for every loyal servant of the God-Emperor when I say; nothing of value was lost.

>>53248456
my body is ready

>tfw all Salamanders Primarines are Perpetuals

>>53248591
>...back of the knee maybe?

>>53247828

Wrong. The Ultras lost, at most, the 3 companies he took on a joyride. Granted, they were the first, second and third...

>>53248616
>>53248569
It all makes sense now.

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>>53248600

>>53248585
Height of cancer?

Uh. I'm not sure what you mean.

Did you mean leading cause?

>>53248567
That was 8,000 years ago, the successors reformed them using donated marines and equipment, plus the geneseed stocks kept on Terra.

If anything, I'd expect the IF to be one of the most resistant, along with the BT, to using Numarines.

And yeah, doesn't sound like Guilliman has changed his mind about disbanding the Legions.

>>53248503
To be fair, I don't think anyone thought they'd copy the MkIV helmet so closely. Aside from MkIII (which is basically heavy armor MkII), every type of suit is fairly distinctive. MkVIII isn't a real suit

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>they really are making AOS 2.0 with BIGGA MARINES
>Gw really will never recover

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>>53248585

>>53248503
I called that shit ages ago.

>>53247402
Makes me glad I don't play Marines.

>>53248591
Makes it easier to extract that having to saw open the thorax.

>>53248030
I'd say black templars would be neutral about it, but it doesn't fit their recruitment pattern.

The Dark Angels would probably kill them with fire.

>>53248456
Raven guard marines are literally invisible?

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>yfw your centuries old space marine veteran of countless battles is now a mediocre, second rate nobody compared to bigmarines, just like a guardsman

>>53248565
>Captain
>Ultramarines 2nd Company

WHAT DID YOU DO TO CATO?

>>53248658
Well, bigger marines was really the only way to go for Age of Guilliman™ since, unlike Fantasy, 40k already had space marines.

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>>53248642
>spoiler
fuckin fight me nerd

>>53248667
>The Dark Angels would probably kill them with fire.
I wonder how this is going to work into the whole "Hunt for the Fallen" thing. Or is that cat out of the bag?

>>53248673
>Mfw guardsmen now doing co-op missions with Space Marines and telling Space Marines what to do and also how to dig a trench

>>53248642
I thought they'd keep the iconic grill-mouth of the old helmets honestly.

The Mk IV looks cool but GW is normally really pissy about it's IP and the old helmet is part of the spehs muhreen image. Plus the leak had an Mk VII helmet.

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>>53248673

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Primaris CENTURIONS WHEN?

>>53248567
>Wait, does Guilliman still think 1000 man chapters is the way to go?

Not sure. Honestly I hope there is a removal for the 1000 marine limit. It just doesnt make sense in the context of a great new crusade against literally unreality ripping the galaxy in half.

And lets be real here, The Ultras, Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Fists can become legions overnight if the restrictions were lifted.

What new powers will the Prime Beef Marines have?
Will anything top being able to eat your opponents flesh to gain his memories?

Bye bye games workshop naive of me to think it would not end up like this, nobody's fault but my own

Will the deathwatch get new marines? Will they become blackshields and forever stay in deathwatch? This is both in lore and models.

They said the pauldrons can be swaped with oldmarines, so i guess i can still use DW pauldrons on these boipusis

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>>53248703
"So, you gotta put the sandbags like this?"

"No no no, the wall's'll cave in like that, you do it like this!"

"Ah man, I'm never gonna get this!"

"It's ok buddy, you're learning, you'll get there."

>>53248518
Never won't be golden.

>>53247402
Honestly, aside from the inherent shittiness of advancing the setting and Guillicast Eternals, this has been surprisingly decent. It looks like we might be getting just about the best outcome out of a shit-decision.
But it's hard to get hype because I keep waiting for GW to be, well, GW (of the last 10 or so years anyway.)

>>53248730
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53248658
Yet you will keep buying their shit and appreciate their past decision in the next years

>>53247811

Enjoy your special snowflake chapter getting BLAMMED by the Minotaurs, anon.

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>>53248703
I love this image.

>Throne, the new guy is strong as fuck but he hasn't got the first idea how to fill a sandbag. I'm basically having to babysit him 24/7, fuck the Commissar for assigning him to me...
>I know, I've been running an intro-to-camouflage session with some of the new guys from 3rd platoon all morning, they just keep repeating 'but how will the enemy know who is killing them if we hide our heraldry?'...it's driving me fucking nuts, they're going to give out position away in the first ten minutes of the deployment!

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>Primaris Redemptor Dreadnought

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>>53247995
I wouldn't be surprised if Ultramarine Successors get mad

>Daddy comes back
>Immediately has new kids which are better than you in every way
>He leaves with them to go do dope shit
>Doesn't even care about you anymore

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>>53248730
>being this assblasted
lol

>>53248762
Nervous NuMarine canon when?

>>53248703
this is how the Imperium should work

also I bet you the enhanced gene-seed will include some super memory organ or something that speeds up their learning even more, like, instead of eating brains they can eat books now, so after eating the Codex they'll become instant geniuses

>>53248788
>Ultras get pissy
>Steal new geneseed
>go meet fabus bile
>Make us better than numarines to get back at daddy
>Fabus makes Fabulous Marines, which are Primaris Chaos
>New Chaos faction/traitor legion

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>>53247422
>filename

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>nigger faggot deploys his army comprised of nothing but primaris shit inc primaris dread and primaris landraider
>big grin on the greasy fuckers face
>mfw I deploy my sm army that only has 2nd edition shit that includes a rogue trader pred

Get fucked

>>53248788
>Ultramarines successors
>Getting mad at Daddy Guilliman

The Ultramarine's whole thing is blind loyalty to the book he wrote 10,000 years ago, he could line all his Oldmarines up and order them all to shoot themselves in the head to make way for Numarines and they'd do it with a smile.

>>53248597
That and they have one of the deepest recruiting pools of any chapter too.

Well the Wolves are probably getting a ton of these, and I'll just bet they'll be perfectly suited to counter my Thousand Sons.

Guess I'll just start bitching now before the WOLF WOLF WOLF starts

>tfw your defining feature is being xboxhueg but you aren't xboxhueg anymore
I feel bad for that one guy that made Minotaurs with Stormcast bits.

>>53248703
>Marines having to do on-the-job retraining to be guardsmen

plz yes

see how the fucking glory hogs like holding the fucking line for once

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Guys guys. There is example of Knight-errant becoming Grey Knights when they replaced their old geneseed with Emperor'd. I suspect its possible to upgrade old dudes in fluff.

>>53248659
Truescale marines are cool and can stay.

>>53248807

Maybe we have legion sized marine formations that is closely integrated with the IG. Ultramarines being the prime candidate.

Then we have a solo chapter sized groups that just do their own thing and disregard these new heresies. Chapters that like their independence and remain isolated and even more mistrusted. They're able to respond to crisises quicker and easier but are working with inferior support and resources as time drags on.

>>53248821
>yfw Numarines are better than Oldmarines in every way
>Numarine kiddy reks u despite barely understanding how to play because his 30" range, S5/T5, FNP 5+ primaris are only 5pts more expensive than your tactical.

>>53248835
>One of our only benefits now is +1 Save against Damage 1.
>These guns are AP -1 so we're exactly back where we started.

Yeah we're fucked.

>>53248835

It would be nice to see the Wolves get more than one "successor" and closer to legion size.

But how would it work? Would it be Russ's geneseed thats editted or is it giving them perfect Girlyman geneseed? Whose geneseed is this made from?

Being a BA player, I hope they explore the implications of these guys basically being pushed out of vats and onto the battlefield.

Blood Angels spend years as neophytes learning to hone and control their rage before they're even allowed to touch a bolter. One of these clowns with not only the red thirst, but an exaggerated version of it, sounds like a recipe for disaster.

>>53248170

Other than their shoulder pads still being illogical, their proportions look a lot better. They don't look like huge headed, squat leg fucks.

>>53248688
Promoted to bodyguard of BobbyG.

>>53248879
Rowboat frots with his corpse and distils their seed together in a big pot.

Some rumoured shit.

quote:

>NuMarines are called Primaris Marines
>Guilliman started the Primaris Marines project back during the heresy to combat chaos-infused Traitors because normal marines were losing ground vs chaos-powered brethren
>They are Bobby G's geneseed crossed with methods of making Custodes and added AdMech Tech
>only Cawl and Bobby G knew of the project
>Thousands of Primaris Marines we created and stored on different worlds across galaxy in cryo-pods ready for deployment(remember the teaser video)
>Fulgrim vs Guilliman happened and the Primaris Marines were never launched
>Cawl didn't want to launch them without the word of Bobby G
>Cawl's actual main objective was to get these marines to launch, but the objective of rezzing Guilliman came first
>These marines are to help bolster chapters that are low in numbers
>Some will reject the Primaris Marines as abominations because they are not made with X Primarch's geneseed
>potentially cause a rift in the Imperium

Gamewise:
>They are THE answer to Truescale marines without replacing the entire range(and pissing off customer base), so they can be used as Truescales OR Primaris Marines
>Primaris Marines can be fielded along side other Space Marines
>Primaris Marines can be fielded as a standalone force
>More points heavy than GK
>Primaris Marines have exclusive access to some new weapons
>1 type of weapon per squad, so all 5 guys get the same weapon
>The Starter set is Ultras VS Death Guard (You do get Primaris Marines, too.)
>Starter set should include roughly 56 models
>Under $150 USD
>5 Books at launch, Space Marines, Imperium, Chaos, Xenos 1, and Xenos 2, each serving as a printed compendium of the "all released at once" rules update for 8th with faction exclusive updates coming later

>>53248842
It is. The Emperor gave Corax access to gene-tech that allowed him to produce marines that were stronger and faster than regular Astartes, in a fraction of the time, so he could rebuild his legion.

At least until the Alpha Legion spiked it.

>>53248756
I haven't given GW a cent since 2011 when they put the international sales embargo in.

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>>53247402
fluff me some explanation why flesh tearers should get primaris specimens?

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>>53248170
>Those derpy fucking marinelets in the background

>>53247402
Funny how GW can ruin all the hyped they put into my with that tease. I was waiting for a new kind of super soldiers with their own faction and theme and stuff. Hell I was even accepting the idea they could include women but no they just fuck everything in the last sec. by doing SPESS MEHREENS 2.0. with the same exact models than before just a little bigger and different armor.
Space Marines were a very complete and characteristic faction, this was absolutely unnecessary.

>>53248905
I meant upgrading existing marines to primaris.

>>53248917
>They're dying off because they're going crazy
>So they need Primaris™ reinforcements?
>Yes Lord Guilliman™
>Alright, send some their way, my Primaris™ Adeptus Astartes™ are too primaris™ to go crazy.
>Are you sure Lord Guilliman™?
>Fingers Crossed™

>>53248913
I bought a whole AoS army when the Generals handbook came out. Also bought Silver Tower
No regrets. They did what I wanted so I voted with my wallet (you did points + new heroquest? yes please.)

I haven't bought any 40k shit in a while but if the new edition is a better game, I will buy stuff.

>>53248917

Easy,

Theres only 4 battle companies worth of them and the ongoing crisis pushes their extinction ever closer. The instability of their seed means they are desperate for a long term solution.

This lets them have a stable core of marines that survive century after century leading a pack of relatively short lived attack dogs. This causes tension as all senior roles are filled by numarines but since most original flesh tearers die or succuumb early to the black rage anyways its not a huge concern.

>>53248917
They shouldn't they're stuck in Imperium Nihilius.
But as we learn more of the fluff we'll get a better idea.

>>53248929
>this was absolutely unnecessary.
Feel exactly the same way mate. Just why?

>>53248887
Yeah, the shoulder pads are at least smaller, but realistically you couldn't make them functional without removing them altogether or redesigning them and they're too vital to the distinct Spehs Muhreen profile for GW to do away with them.

They've basically done what the Space Marine vidya did and just altered the proportions so they can at least move like a human.

I wonder if we'll get Primaris termies that make sense....

>>53248929
>include woman
Everybody point and laugh at this low test beta loser

>>53248929
>this was absolutely unnecessary.
Their autistic fanbase was going to bitch, whine, and moan incessantly no matter what they did, so they just said fuck it and did the easy thing.

>>53248957
Hopefully not. I'm kind of hoping these guys will be a decent sub for termies in a normal marine army list.

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>>53248917
They'll kill them, probably. I'm sure a lot of chapters won't want to deal with Skub Marines. BA and Flesh Tearers won't because they're not a great fan of Bobby G anyway. The question is if the NuMarines are from Rowboat's geneseed or there's one for each primarch. If just Rowboat's, Dark Angels won't, they want to keep their secrets in the family, Blood Angels won't, aforementioned, Wolves might have to with how big their losses have been but I can't see them doing it happily. Fists would probably not care so much, they can replenish losses through the Last Wall without needing NuMarines. If anything, this'll make Ultra successors stronger and more distant from the rest of the chapters, potentially causing a rift.

>>53248929
You might be one of the only people who thought it would be a new faction. The teaser video outright said that they would be reinforcing existing chapters and reviving ones that were lost. Nothing was last second.

>>53248947
I'd consider giving GW money if 8e ends up being playable and they release plastic sisters or a non-shitty IG regiment in plastic, but I have no interest in bigmarines or slimeymarines so it's still 12+ months at least before there's even a chance of that happening.

>>53248970
I wonder if any of them would accept them and then send them off to some random battlefield to die just so they could steal their fancy Mk2 bolters

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>>53248904
>Starter set should include 56 models
>56 models
>under $150
It's like the Betrayal at Calth box, but with even more MEAT

>>53248970
They aren't just bobby g's geneseed, that's not even a question. It mentioned that they'll have their primarchs geneseeds and the facebook team confirmed that it meant the legion they're in.

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>>53248929
>Surprised they did Space Marines 2.0
Were you even paying attention? Better question: did you learn about 40k from 8e? Do you know anything about GW?

>Include women
So many laughing gifs and webms to choose from.

>>53248951
Because marines don't play on the table like they do in the fluff.

They want to replace the marine models/rules but people with £8000 of marines (and everyone has a marine army) would reeee the fuck out, so they've done it this way to avoid a straight squatting of the old marines.

>>53248996
If it's true.

please god

>>53248931
Makes me think of that shit 343 pulled by making ODSTs into Spartan 5s or whatever.

>>53248996
>I'm starting up a Space Marine army
>a friend wants to make Deathguard

By the throne let this be true!

>>53249013
They could have just buffed the shit out of marines and stopped using them as the baseline. Sure people would use less models per game, but it's not like they were fielding all £8000 of models at a time anyway.

>>53248424
I do appreciate that they are using my favorite helmet style