/srg/ - Shadowrun General

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>>53233182
>What rules do you straight up ignore?
Most dicepool modifiers are abstracted. Same for shooting at/though cover. We also tend to forget that wound modifiers affect Initiative

>What rules do you change? How do you change them?
I try to simplify the Matrix as much as possible. I'll usually ask for a Hacking/Cybercombat roll to gain access to the system, then Matrix Perception to fin what you're looking for, then Hacking/Cybercombat to do the thing you want to do.
I changed the Marks into a system of "User level". 1 Mark gets you guest access, 2 Marks give you user access, 3 Marks give you admin access. This works for entire PANs/WANs.

Astral Projections move at regular speeds. Fuck you spirits, you already have broken stats, tons of armor and can move through walls, you don't get to blink around the place like you're the fucking Flash.

>What parts of the setting do you change or remove?
Not much really. Most of the cringy things happen deep in the shadows, and my group is made of newbies. We play before the nano-apocalypse, and I'm going to have it limited to Boston, with just a few headcases escaping confinement and being hunted by all AAA corps, forcing them to leave the planet.

>>53233182
>What parts of the setting do you change or remove?
No one liked how common magic is supposed to be, so my game has awakened being several orders of magnitude more rare.
No CFD either, I'm doing my own AI and nanotech plot.

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what do

>>53233897
Stop duplicating the Guid Warning, dumbass.

>>53233897
>Duplicate GUIDs

How the fuck?

My group replaces dice pool modifiers from interference due to distance for hacking with essentially signal bars
4 bars and you can do anything
3 makes hot sim impossible and cold sim laggy
2 is the bare minimum for any kind of hacking, even in AR
1 bar and you can send a text

are there any good shadowrun-specific rollbots for discord?

>>53233917
>>53234009
fuck it, I tried using chummer update and it clearly didn't work
yekka needs to fix that or alternatively shut out that functionality

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>>53233182
Setting wise, I've gotten rid of CFD and the matrix overhaul that happened at the end of 4th/beginning of 5th (I'm using a hacked version of Ends of the Matrix), I've swapped out the "samurai" culture craze for a more general "old warrior culture craze" (i.e spartans, knights, samurai, mongols, hussars, etc), and I'm working on fleshing out the chunks of the Middle East and South East Asia that aren't all that covered by the books.

>>53235301
>I'm using a hacked version of Ends of the Matrix
what exactly have you hacked in it?

>>53235326
I've adjusted the skill rolls for 5e's system and added in adapted versions of 5e matrix qualities

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>>53235301
>swapped out the "samurai" culture craze for a more general "old warrior culture craze"
There is a Street Viking in my group

>>53234215
Do you have any set distances for the bars?

Why is there a Bulgarian as available knowledge skill? Did I miss something?

>>53236548
Chummer, languages are knowledge skills
You are wondering why Bulgarian is a skill, but not English?

>>53236548
>Not having minimum 6 ranks Bulgarian on all characters
Man, your GM must be real lenient.

>>53236583
It just grabbed my attention and wondered why it was put there as a language. I mean it is but one of the more obscure.
And then I started typing in every European language to see which ones were in.
>>53236589
kek

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>>53233897
Auto-updater didn't work; apparently some people have an issue with their language file getting locked open, so the file doesn't get replaced properly. Update manually and it'll sort itself out.
>>53231466
>Yekka, would it be possible to add the ability to add a Custom Item to Armor, with a box to let you select how much Capacity it will take?
Generally I'd prefer that people use custom files to make items; Custom Item is an ugly hack that doesn't do a lot of things it should. At some point I'm going to integrate content creation into Chummer directly, but that's still a ways off.

Would open d6 or old d20 work for shadowrun?

>>53237055
eh, don't think so
d20's too swingy
and d6 seems too narrow

The only difficult thing with the SR4/5 system is getting that many dice for cheap (and even that is achievable)

Man I wish Shadowrun could have Ed Greenwood level of worldbuilding behind it. Wouldn't that be nice?

>>53237139
who

>>53237136
D6 as in the dice pool game

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So, we always have threads on builds, tech, meta lore, and magic, so lets do something different this thread. Tell me about your runner. What do you think makes him special? Because I know you made someone special to you. Does he have any friends you're excited to see the GM play?

>>53237139
I'd rather have AncientHistory levels of dedication

>>53237271
>D6 as in the dice pool game
If it's a dice pool game, why not stay with SR?

>>53233182
Suppose I used cyberspurs in conjuction with Bone Density Augmentation. Does the Bone Density Augmentation unarmed AP and damage bonus add to attacks with the spurs since they're technically unarmed weapons?

>>53237350
No
Use bone spikes instead

>>53233182
Everything gets houseruled, from background lore to rules. It's basically a Shadowrun reboot based on a more streamlined 5e... but compatible with Chummer, because fuck trying to play SR without it.

>>53237280
My runner was a mage with PTSD, ex-military/PMC (we never nailed down the specifics) whose marriage fell apart because of it. He was mostly fine once the shit hit the fan but could barely function day-to-day. Still burned a torch for his ex-wife, a voodoo shaman; they parted on good terms and she had a mass of ghost cats that loved to cuddle up to him whenever he came around. Nearly all of his magic revolved around fire and he had a craggy little spirit of fire bound up in a circle in his rundown flat of an apartment.

He was also obsessed with figuring out the gender of the party elf. No real reason, just fidgeting and curiosity mixed with a neverending trollfest between me and the other player.

Have any of you guys read any of the SR novels? Are they good?

>>53238175
I've read:
-Striper Assassin : Pretty good
-2XS : A nice take on the setting, told from the point of view of a retired Lone Star cop. Shadowrunners only come into play near the very end.
-House of the Sun: Same character as 2XS, but the story feels less compelling. Also Harlequin's in it.
-Steel Rain: Meh. Nice if you want to learn about the organization of the Yakuza.
-Aftershock : good plot, average characters. A standard run.
-Spells and Chrome: short story anthology. Some of them are really great. Would recommend.
-Hell on Water: If you want to learn about running in Lagos.

>>53237285
SR rules seem a bit complicated for my group but i like the fluff so i think it would be good to try it with another system

>>53238541
Good luck, in order to adapt it to another system you need a working knowledge of it.

Which means learning the rules.

>>53234215
Not directly, it's more based on the kind of service you'd get in the real world. Being underground reduces your signal strength, as does going across grids or through the public grid. If it's a private server with a relatively weak signal strength then the actual distance starts to be taken into account

>>53233182

Y'all and wod/cod general should trade OP pics.

>>53238611
Well, Shadowrun does have vampires and werewolves...

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>>53233182
Sometimes I resent essence, if only because it prevents me from doing insane cyberpunk shit like that.

>>53238563
So 5e is the way to go?

>>53238757
IF you're just looking to get a sense of it 4e, might be better, as it's slightly better organised and not quite as much of a clusterfuck.

>>53238757
4E has more information on the setting and fluff, but 5E has a slightly less fucked ruleset. It's just ruined by bad editing.

>>53238826
>>53238946
so 4E for the fluff and 5E for the rules?

>>53239005
Basically. Or at least until CGL stops dicking around.

>>53239164
any news from them?

>>53239226
Aside from the new magic book and the same 'soon soon' about the Technomancer book, I haven't heard anything. Hopefully others are better informed.

>>53238653
Unless you only mean during chargen, it doesn't; you just have to get creative or high end to manage it.

>>53239005
I prefer 2e/3e for the fluff, honestly.

Would someone mind posting the comic page that I remember seeing titled as 'shadowrunners spirit guide'?
Its a few panels and involves a guy getting kicked out and told to meditate, then the spirit animal comes and asks him if he'd like to make a few million dollars.
"Smartest spirit guide I've ever met." is a line.

Thank you.

Just ran my first game. How was your first time GMing?

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Need help, I made a rigger put a lot of point into the flying drone so should I give my character a backup weapon like a holdout pistol,

>>53240525

Standard advice is to always a backup weapon, especially if you get somehow separated from your drone.

A holdout pistol is decent but if you wind up doing a run against a corp, you'll need something with a bit more punch like a Heavy pistol but a holdout pistol should not be your main fallback weapom since they uaually have crap range, crap accuracy and crap damage and ap. Get a light pistol if you can for your normal runs and the holdout for last resorta or for surprises

>>53235301
The samurai thing worked because it had the ethos of service unto death, which has modern ramifications and applications in the neo-feudal corporate culture, not because it's about fightan mans. What the fuck does a Viking bring to the boardroom?

Also general Japanaphilia and nips taking over the world

>>53240762
Not much omae, but smashing what's in your way and taking what you can -does- have applications in the shadows neh?

>>53239889
How are 2e and 3e compared to 4e and 5e? what are the main differences

>>53237139
No. I don't want that autist and his power fantasy self-inserts. If I hear that Eli the Minister, 12 MAG Immortal Human empowered by a Passion after seducing it, Hestaby, Frosty and Daviar in one night, is running around Seattle, I'm gonna come after you.

>>53236548
>Not taking 6 ranks in Serbian, Croatian, and Bulgarian
>Thinks he can make it big in Seattle

Tell your GM to stop holding back.

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>>53240525
Machine pistol, or anything else that can fire full auto, preferably with an ammo capacity in a multiple of 20. Suppressing fire is good.

>>53239226
News about what? They think they're doing great.


Orc book coming, though, so that should be nice

>>53240797
Have you played SR:R, Dragonfall & Hong Kong? That's the short answer. Otherwise, the books are in the OP.

>>53240797
>>53241066
Honestly, you should probably go more into the Genesis Shadowrun. It's a bit closer to actually acting like 1e and 2e.

Just remember that as of part way into 2e/end of 1e that alphaware is just newly a thing and basically treated like beta. Beta is treated like delta in the adventures where it's featured.

Oh, and they do have some fun stuff.

Like the printing of 3e I have makes flechettes almost entirely worthless, because bad editing means that the bonus goes away if the target has ballistic armor or dermal implants.

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>>53240845
The worst alchera of all time.

>>53233182
I never allow wireless matrix, technomancers or SURGE freaks

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>>53240041
>>53240191
On the other hand...

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>>53241379
On the other other hand...

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>>53241216
This thread is now /srg/ Slav Edition

Tell me how how many packs a day your runner smokes, /srg/.
What kvass does he quaff in his spare time?
Tracksuits: Fashion, or function? Ruthenium Polymer Coating, anyone?

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>>53241510
>What kvass does he quaff in his spare time?

Whatever will put him in a somber mood to wax darkly about the inherent frailties of man, and our perpetuation of systems that seek only to destroy ourselves.

And he's not some RPC bitch; you go Electrochromic and let everyone know you're there, with Adidas logos bouncing around like DVD icons.

>>53242076
>I'm not some RPC bitch

>He appeared, to the sound of an accordian atop hard bass, an invisible man marked only by floating white ADIDAS AR logos
>The only hint he was real was the trail of cigarette smoke he happily left in his wake

Technoslavs, get on my level

>>53241135
>the printing of 3e I have makes flechettes almost entirely worthless,
Is that the original FASA one or the errata'd FanPro one?

>>53241135
>bad editing means that the bonus goes away if the target has ballistic armor or dermal implants.
The printing I've got has it as dermal armour negating the DL increase, and ballistic/impact as either ballistic or twice impact, whichever's higher.

>>53234502
bumping this question

Lore-wise, I mostly stick to canon, with the main exception of CFD being much less aggressive. I also tend to make cyberdecks a bit easier to acquire post-chargen by offering them as payment for runs. Mechanically, I'm using some alternate rules for vehicles, alchemy, archery and a handful of technomancer stuff dragged kicking and screaming from 4E.

>>53234502
Exploding Dice does the job, though I feel dirty recommending a dicebot that the dev is trying to whore out through Patreon.

hey guys i have a question for you, one of my characters with 10 health and 13 overflow took 13 damage in a matter of an initiative cycle, if we are playing by strict rules, is he dead? if not, can you explain how he would stay alive. thanks.

>>53243663
13P or 13S?

>>53243675
13p 2 heavy gun shots

>>53233182
What's wrong with fascism ?
It's not like people die because of it, only subpeople like orcs and niggers.

>>53241135
What is genesis shadowrun?

>>53243750
The old SR game for the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive.

>>53243728
>corp shills invading the board again

How much are they paying you omae?

>>53243728
It's just that fascists can't handle the fully augmented cyber-vagina.

>>53244124
Frag you for reminding me that Bill Nye Vagina Rap exists.

You know what, fuck it. I'm gonna say it.

Bill Nye is NOT being the person Mister Rogers knew he could be.

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>>53243728
I had a crack at statting the OP image to see if you could get a reasonable facsimile out of standard 5e character creation. See what you think.

>>53244182
I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about, and I think that might be a good thing.

>>53244201
Corper Social Engineering at its finest chummer.
https://youtu.be/Wllc5gSc-N8

Well, maybe not the finest, Horizon or Aztechnology wouldn't have made something this cringey.

>>53244201
If you were a fan of Bill Nye, don't click the link, anon. It's impressively retarded.

>>53243691
Depends how much body you have
3 or less, you are dead
4 body means you are down but have 1 box of overflow left
Burn an edge if you are about to die and prefer not to

>>53244484
given that he said 13 overflow I'm pretty sure he has 3 BOD
which means Burning Edge or death

New Shadowrun player here with first character ever. My group are going to play SR 5th ed soon and my Street Sam needs some help.

Question is, what bioware should he get to be better at Street Sam. From character reasons, he would try to avoid cyberware so no cyberarms or legs.

Basically to be faster with better reactions. He will most likely be melee Street Sam or use archery.

>>53246149
Muscle toner for more agility (makes you better at all weapons), muscle augmentation to be the fucking strong, and synaptic booster to get that initiative up. If you wanna munchkin a bit you can take restricted gear so you can get a pain editor and ignore all wound penalties.

>>53246194
Some of the more advanced shit to look into would include Narco (for popping those sweet combat drugs), Qualia, Reakt, Adapsin, a Cerebellum Booster, things that up Agility, Reaction and Intuition mostly.

>>53246194
Thanks mate. Would you suggest either taking A for funds or for skills? With bioware I am leaning towards funds to get all necessary stuff.

I might munchkin with pain editor.

>>53246316
Having funds at A usually means you can buy pretty much every aug you need, so unless you really need those extra skills it's a good call. What chargen method are you using, just standard?

>>53246328
We are using standard priority for chargen. Going with DCEBA with these advices

>>53246411
What
Thats an awful plan
Rule 1 of Character Building: Primary skill dicepools at 12, secondary at 10, and tertiary at
Second Rule: Do not put your skill priority higher than skill priority
Switch skills and abilities priorities
Do no buy skills at to 1-2 ranks dunning char gen. In game getting skills from 1 to 4 takes 10 days. Getting skill from 4 to 5 takes 5 weeks.

>>53246772
Fuck!
I mean skill priority higher than abilities

>>53246772
Gotcha

>>53246411
Eh?
That spread is fine. You'll be light on Attributes starting out, so if you want higher AGI, WIL, or BOD, you'll need to drop a few other attributes low. You also have a fuckload of nuyen, so you can supplement your low attributes with ware. Muscle Toner, Bone Density, Orthoskin, Synaptic Boosters, Platelet Factories, are all core options for the Biosam at chargen.

You'll want to have one point in Etiquette, Con, Pilot Ground, and Computer. Probably Armorer as well, so you can Handload APDS rounds in your spare time. You'll have lots of skill points, so consider subrolling into Driver (high Pilot Ground Craft, high REA, a nice car), or Infiltrator (high AGI, high Stealth, breaking and entering gear).

DBECA works fine as well obviously, it depends on the type of runner you want to build.

What's the best breakdown of priorities for a physical infiltrator adept with a touch of combat and social capability?
I was thinking of B/B/D/B/E, which would net me:
B3 A7 R3 S2 C6 I4 L3 W3 E3 M6 (Elf). I considered min-maxing a bit more, but I don't enjoy the thought of playing an idiot.

Astral Perception
Attribute boost AGI 1 (Qi focus)
Combat sense 1
Facial sculpt 1
Flexibility 1
Hang Time 1
Improved potential physical
Improved reflexes 2
Nimble fingers 1
Voice Control 1

Stealth group 5
Assensing 5 (9)
Automatics 6 (assault rifles) (13,15)
Con 3 (9)
Escape artist 1 (8)
Etiquette (10)
Gymnastics 4 (11)
Hardware 2 (5)
Impersonation 2 (8)
Locksmith 5 (12)
Negotiation 3 (9)
Perception 5 (9)
Pilot Ground 1 (6)

The idea is to be the gray man, hence facial sculpt and voice control powers. His role would be to find a way in for the whole party, preferably by use of subterfuge, but potentially by use of disguise and social skills as well. He would play like a professional, who has almost a neurosis about his real face being known by big brother (faceless quality).

Thoughts, comments, critique?

>>53247702
There is no point in not going D/B/B/B/E for this build. Going B/B/D/B/E results in MAG 6 but you lose out on the 4 Skill points you get from Priority B Adept. You could use the skill points in bolstering your Con and Impersonation skills. They're your tool to get past the front door.

>>53247702
On top of my head you would stop dead in your tracks when facing a maglock. So either boost hardware or hope your decker got your back
Otherwise looks fine

>>53247862
I considered that, but I feel like going with just 2 points of edge is suicide. I may play around with it to see if I can get it to work.
>>53247879
I'm fairly certain maglocks only require locksmith. I took hardware to disable some sensors after passing them, but I'm not certain if the points are worthwhile, since the pool is so low.

>>53241510
My entire team independently rolled up European immigrants. Two are chromed up sams; Slavic and Polish respectively. The third is playing a Russian face, and I'm German mage. None of us knew what the others had in mind before we started the first session.
The Polish guy is actually Polish, too, so large chunks of his dialogue are him swearing in Polish.

>>53235360
>There is a Street Viking in my group
Vard varg.

Does the same limits on Autosofts apply to Tutorsofts and Skillsofts for drone?
Wondering about getting a Sparring Drone and putting Unarmed Tutorsoft 6 in it.

So, what books would YOU personally like to see?

My next campaign is gonna be set in Las Vegas. Anyone already done some world building there that I can rip off? I'm also curious as to how casino security would look to prevent cheating, magical or otherwise.

>>53256679
A book about lolis.

>>53256679
Love to have a CAS book, and maybe some exploration on how things are shaping up after the Azt/Am war. Aztlan took some hard hits from Sirrurg.

So I've never played SR before, and I'm reading along with the 5e rulebook and working with Chummer to make my first character. One thing I'm curious about is electrochromic clothing. Can I add the electrochromic mod to any gear as long as it doesn't take it over the restriction of Avail 6 for starting characters? For example, if I have an armor jacket, a set of plain clothing, and a cloak, can I pay to have all of them use EC thread so that I can change their color or is it specifically only clothing?

Yekka, MysAd power points still aren't actually deducting karma for them. I've not modified my files in any way other than enabling houserules.

>>53257119
It's not just clothing chummer, but it is limited to fabric. You can get around this by just applying it to a duffle or backpack for whatever you need to carry.

>>53257428
Okay, so for example, the fabric of the jacket, but not the armor plates can be made to change color with EC thread? Or is the entire armor jacket made of armor plates and synthetic leather? The description in the book isn't too terribly clear. The idea of having a duffel made of the fabric is fantastic, thank you.

>>53257119
The restriction of availability is 12 at chargen, device rating is what has to be 6 or under.

>>53257512
Ah. Okay. That opens up way more options. Like giving my guns actual suppressors, for example.

>>53257493
Hes saying that you can't coat a gun in Electrochromic, its limited to fabrics. If you cover an Armor Jacket in EC, the whole Jacket can change. Same with Full Body Armor, or a Helmet. But that means you can be creative. Acquire a Backpack, a Cloak, etc, with EC.

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>>53237055
>>53237136
How about d%?

>>53257574
Okay, that's really cool. Thanks a ton for all this help. I appreciate it greatly. I know literally nothing about how the gameplay works and some of the stuff in the books is pretty vaguely worded.

>>53257681
Everyone's first experience in 5e is like this, null sweat.

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what race do you guys play as?


me human same time elf

>>53256898
https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/2b9zt4/shadowrun_gambling/

>>53257119
>>53257522
>>53257681

Here wit hone last question before I stop being a pest. How exactly to mods work? Is it additive with the Avail of the weapon or gear? For example, my Ruger 101 is 4R. A suppressor has an Avail of 9F(Labeled +9F in Chummer). So does that mean the Avail of my rifle would be 13, meaning I couldn't take the suppressor at chargen or is the cost of the accessory separate from weapons proper?

>>53242169
>>53243301
I think it's the original. And the wording in mine makes it look like the D category increase only happens against unarmored targets (and is also nullified by Dermal Armor).

>>53243750
>>53243759
Yeah. Before Shadowrun Returns, there were three Shadowrun games.

The SNES one (which gets the flavor great but goes on the mechanics about as well as a lot of the early novels did), the Genesis one (great rules emulation for a real time game, less flavorful than the SNES in appearance and looser story), and the Mega-CD one which I know nothing about.

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>>53257732
All

>>53257163
Alright, I found out why. If you have "Can Spend Spells as Power Points" ticked, then it ALWAYS spends spells as PP, there's no option. You just automatically do it.

Also, Dedicated Spellslinger STILL doesn't work.

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>>53257627
chummer, d% is just a d20 where you roll a d5 afterwards. Distribution wise it is the same

Unlike a d% or d20 or d6 whose probability is flat (same chance to roll a 20 as rolling 1) the probability of the SR dice pool system is a weighted bell curve whose median is dependent on the dice pool size
http://anydice.com/program/bafc is a good representation of this (click on calculate and then on Graph): Higher dice pools increase the average amount of hits AND decrease the chance to roll a glitch (see pic related)
A rookie with medium attributes is going to have a good chance of glitching on his test and the better you are the more secure you are in your abilities which means lower chance to glitch

>>53234502
I use this. https://github.com/pknull/pk.shado
Not great code, but does exactly what I want.

Is shadowrun anarchy good?

>>53258251
nope

>>53258251
No.

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>>53258251
Shadowrun returns, hon kong and downfall are better.

5e Hard Targets question, I've seen on other forums that the manablade and powerblade spells are broken but not why. I'm a newbie that wants to take them, since lightsabers, but I'm not sure.

>>53258656
Most people don't know what the spellcasting roll does (in this case just makes it harder too dispel).

Powerblade is only broken if you use reagent limiting to ensure that you can get a high Force without taking physical drain.

Manablade is broken because it combines the best of a direct mana combat spell (only resisted by Will) with the best of an indirect spell (base damage). So at anything but super low forces it's basically a OHKO.

>>53258655
but those are video games

>>53258257
>>53258301
Why not?

>>53259006
Because it tries to be good, faithful to shadowrun, and rules lite. It fails on all three counts

What does your runner eat?
What do they wish they could eat?
Do they splurge and get some good stuff after a run or just eat the same thing forever?
My minotaur bulk orders instant noodles and then mixes in other stuff she can afford to make it taste better.

Yekka, you can't take the Aspect Mana Line ritual even if you have the Geomancy art. It says "Missing requirements: All of:Geomancy" despite there being literally only the Geomancy art and that's it nothing else.

So what are some of the platforms of the UCAS political parties? As far as I've seen I can't really pin down what the Archconservatives and Technocrats are all really about. There must be some reason for them to be different from the Democrats and Republicans

>>53247702
Have you considered going full body morphing with Keratin Control, Melanin Control, and Body Sculpt?

Pilot Ground 1: what do you expect to gain out of this that an autosoft or pilot upgrade wouldn't achieve, and then some?

>>53258024
It doesn't give free spells because I haven't had a chance to code that in to work in career yet. I know how I want to implement it, but there's some technical issues that need to be worked around.

As for the the Mystic Adept thing, I'll look into providing more granular behaviour with it. Currently it's an all-or-nothing thing.
>>53259523
Fallout from a change I made with art requirements, sorry. Will be fixed in the next nightly.

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>>53257070
This. Shadows in Focus: Atlanta or Dallas, please.

What is the most over the top thing a character can do in this game?

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>>53259531
Shadows of North America, 171 is what you want to read.

The Archconservatives are hardcore regressives, made of the wealthy and influential who want to go back to the 1950's before things were so complicated with this women's lib and Awakened rights.
>they're devoted to things like 'traditional values', hard work, and the good ol' days when you didn't let people different from you move in next door without throwing them a welcoming cross-burning

The Technocrats have a deliberately vague platform, advocating for 'progress', which allows them to be a mouthpiece for corporations, as well as getting the votes of all the middle management types.

>>53261722
Practicing restraint.

>>53259447
The overweight human rigger in my game is a soydog connoisseur.

>>53261722
using that spirit speed boost power to make a bike move faster than the speed of light. That story is probably not going to be topped.

>>53259286
>258251
>Shadowrun returns, hon kong and downfall are better.
I'm about to run a game of it tomorrow. I did some testing and honestly? It feels like is going to be tons of fun.

>>53259447
My character eats as much real food as he can. He supplements most meals with the small garden he owns, and is a good enough hunter to catch small game when he needs to, or he'll butcher a chicken.

My character is lucky he doesn't live in Seattle proper.

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>>53259447
My players go to a hotpot place in Puyallup after every run.
They've gotten food poisoning a few times, but they keep going

>>53233182
So, I spend to much time thinking about the setting, and one thought struck me...

Mega corps are a product of the setting, and perpetuated by shadow runners. Basically it is an economics thing, cost of security as barrier to entry. Before businesses relied on the internet, you mostly had to worry about physical security. Generally this could be provided by the government up to a certain size, but over that you needed internal security. Internal security isn't something you can purchase in small units, and gets more efficient in larger quantities. Ten guards provide more security to a location in ratio to their cost then one guard. Also the threat of the business collapsing unexpectedly goes down as the size increases, giving more incentive for career security dedicated to their jobs.

Small businesses rely on the government to provide general security, so the group always most threatened are midsized businesses. big enough that they are a target for more complicated crimes, but to small for internal security to by efficient. Now in the 6th world the weight is multiplied by three, adding magical and matrix security. For a small scale engineering firm that has 150 employees, the cost of even one guard for each plane is heavy. Yet if you don't have a spider, you might as well just give any competition your contracts. Same if you don't have a mage watching for spirits. Yet these people need to sleep, so you are really talking about shifts. minimum 9 dedicated guards, but probably a minimum of 15. Your HR costs just went up 10%, probably more because these are specialists in demand. There goes your profit margin.

Mega corps can easily provide this security. They are big enough that a spider knows that if he robs them, they both will still be around to complain and make it hard to get a job. Big enough to have career professionals dedicated to security, and rotated through positions to maintain efficiency.

>>53263213
Now we come back to shadowrunners. I know it seems like they are constantly hitting big Megas. Those are the runners people talk about, much like those are the companies people talk about. Except those are the exceptional runners. What about the much larger mass of criminals seeking to emulate them? Well they don't run on Megas more then once. They hit companies with shitty security, but big enough to be worth robbing.

>>53262806
>My character is lucky he doesn't live in Seattle proper.
Or anywhere affected by paracritters and pollution.

>>53262559
Elaborate please

>>53262559
>>53263365
The main problem is that it's no longer A Thing™.

People still like to trot it out as though it were.

>>53263319
Paracritters yes, he's just able to kill or shoo away the ones that try to eat him, thankfully. Pollution is a little less worrisome so he's lucky there.

Ok guys I intend to get into Shadowrun(probably as a forever gm). Can you give me a rundown of with edition is the best one and what are some essential reads?

>>53264683
>http://pastebin.com/SsWTY7qr
There's a New GM document just for you at the top!

>>53264683
5e for crunch (do not be afraid to houserule and homebrew, it's mess but it's the easiest mess to use), and 4e for fluff (though you can take inspiration from it to update 5e's fluff if you want to run in 207X)

>>53264697
>>53264710
Thanks guys will take a look at that

>>53233182
Dune Spice name: Godspeed, as in God speed your journey.

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Was playing Saints Row IV earlier and it got me thinking about the Matrix. Mainly, how crazy can the runs get in there?
I never hear many people here talk about matrix stuff, come to think of it.

>>53261722
>>53262559
Okay, so light speed bikes don't exist anymore. What's the most hilariously broken thing you can do in 5e right now?

>>53266455
>I never hear many people here talk about matrix stuff, come to think of it.
I think a lot of GMs just ignore it. When you're on a run, you'll mostly be doing stuff in AR, and when you're not on a run you'd really need your own session of Matrix shenanigans. My 'net expertise lies more with CP2020, and in that you'd do basically your own little net dungeon crawl thing to get files/access/whatever if you're the team Netrunner, and then be largely limiting yourself to Menu commands from the battlefield when you're with your buddies. Taking over cameras, opening doors, dropping things cranes are holding onto, that sort of thing. Like Syndicate 2012's hacking stuff.

At least in SR the decker can keep himself busy playing ECM/anti-hacker.

>>53266515
More broken than hilarious, but if you make a Nosferatu adept, they get to keep their power points and become mystic adepts.

>>53244182
You mean bill Nye the Cuck guy? His show on Netflix is fuckin pathetic Tumblr tier garbage.

>>53266515
>Become a blood mage
>Get like 20 things of adept veins
>Have like 50 karma lying around
>become a beast way adept with the ability to turn into a Roc
>use the sacrifice metamagic to turn damage into force
>Turn into a roc
>Rocs get the ability to turn their speed into damage
>murderhobo a bit
>summon a blood spirit
>it has the movement power
>Burn edge on the summon check
>adept veins to laugh at drain, alternatively just buy edge for 5 karma and burn it again
>tell spirit to use movement power on me
>Multiply movement speed by force
>Turn into a roc, get movement speed to damage
>murderhobo a bit
>use the sacrifice metamagic to convert that movement speed into force
>summon a blood spirit
>burn edge to summon
>use veins or edge to bind
>repeat until you bring the horrors into this world 2000 years early

>>53262559
You can get a drone to go over a million times the speed of light without a spirit if you know a well augmented rigger and a mechanic.

>>53267160
Well, over a million if you do the speed calculations the wrong way. Doing it the right way you still hit about 4x light speed.

>>53267141
>Aztechnology: Project Thunderbird.

I think you just unraveled the new metaplot omae.

>>53267206
I really want to have a campaign set in a world where characters have access to the rulebooks and the PCs are tasked with stopping world-ending exploits bored fa/tg/uy hobos discover like some kind of superhero squad
that sounds hilarious

>>53267231
You say that like mentor spirits and great dragons don't know how their world works. The hard part will be convincing your runners to deal with dragons.

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>>53241216
Interesting that early soputh slavs were peaceful people surrounded by psychotic horse nomads and muh honor violent dickheads.

Am I blind, but I cannot find skill specializations in the chummer 5. Where it is?

>>53241216
>Implying the serbs did anything at all
>Implying the souther slavs and the bulgars were not the ones that showed up and broke the utopia of the Byzantine empire
Geez cant believe how wrong a person can be

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to the right of the skillname in a drop down menu

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>>53267999
Once you've put at least one point into the skill, the combobox to the right of the value should be enabled. You can then select the specialisation. In career mode, there's an Add Specialisation button to support adding extra specialisations.

>>53268037
>>53268046

Now I feel super stupid. Thanks omaes

>>53268031
Is nipple okay for blue board? Or is it just robonipple?

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>>53268025
t. serb apologist

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Do you think this means you can choose on a summon-by-summon basis which one you want?

>>53268557
Yeah, unless there's a rule I missed that says you HAVE to choose a spirit type at chargen or Awakening, it looks like you have the option to summon plant spirits depending on your needs.

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>>53264710
>do not be afraid to houserule and homebrew
Noticing this brought up a lot more often lately.
Is it a shift in how the community is engaging with SR or just confirmation bias?

>>53268386
Point was serbs were just a tribe under the Bulgarian Khaganate.
The Slav-Bul union was the thing kicking Byzantine and killing emperors.
But back to shadowrun. Millitary level campaing on the Balkans where there are no corps and the only rules the one you make yourself. Yay or yay?

>>53259447

My current runner subsists almost entirely on a diet of soykaf, bubblegum and potstickers.

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>>53268695
/srg/ bias. There has always been a need in 5e to do some houseruling to clear up things that CGL left ambiguous or contradictory, but lately there's been some people here arguing for wholesale slash-and-burn.

>>53268695
>>53268814

Yeah, SR5's not that complex a system, the basic skill+attribute dicepool vs. target number or opposing dicepool is easy enough to deal with and should be kept but... Beyond that there's a lot of balkanization in whether or not to simplify matrix rules or slash and burn, how to handle spirits being OP, the whole gentleman's agreement about grenades, etc.

>>53268895
>gentleman's agreement about grenades
Is this chunky salsa related or something else?

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>>53269083
Basically. Grenades are hilariously lethal when you factor in the rules about contained explosions (or gas grenades with non-lethal toxins still killing everyone with overflow), so the agreement is, "Players don't grenade-spam their way through everything, corpsec doesn't start carrying grenades."

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>>53268128
Only one way to find out!
>>53269083
The basic idea is that if you don't use certain types of grenades, the GM won't use those grenades against you. This commonly extends to a blanket ban on grenades entirely, since it's not particularly difficult to wipe out a party that's not expecting someone to pull the pin on a neurostun grenade.
>>53268557
Case by case basis, is the way I read it.

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>>53268645
The thing is that other traditions (except Draconic because fuck you) all have one specific spirit in each category. Case by case makes sense, but I like it when rules are broken if they provide an explanation as to how the new paradigm works. But you know CGL.

>>53269282
I guess it's just plantbros being plantbros. Just uh..stick to summoning marijuana spirits instead of nightshade and you'll be fine.

>>53269186
>>53269215
Fucking toxin rules, chummers. Every time.

>>53269326
If I was going to say, "This tradition is all plants all the time," I would lean more into it. Make it so they can only summon plant spirits, because the tradition already gives a bonus to summoning those spirits, with maybe a "one free optional power" rule.

>>53269215
>you can ready as many thrown weapons as half your rating
The hell kind of build is your waifu running there with her 8+ thrown weapon skill?

>>53259640
Yes I have, but those together would cost 2PP, which means I'd be spreading myself too thin.

Not that I don't enjoy the thought of a social chameleon, but it would end up being a completely different character.

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>>53269482
>not getting Throwing Weapons (Non-Aerodynamic)

It's like you don't even want to throw grenades, explosive clips, and dwarves

>>53269215
Haha, our party encountered Neurostun for the first time during this run. We spend the week between sessions hashing out a rough plan and getting details from the GM. Finally as the session starts, our employer mentions "By the way, they have Neurostun IX in their security system and recently bought two less-than-legal nonlethal defence drones." We figured since he left it so late to tell us that it wasn't that important, and besides that we were itching to start the run, so we just power on. (Also, the players are all fairly new to SR, if you couldn't tell from that.)
Long story short, we tripped the alarm most of the way into the place, got gassed and knocked out most of the party in one shot, then got hit with a Filchetti Pain Inducer (or whatever it's called) on this big fucking drone on the way out. Somehow zero casualties, but you bet your fucking ass we're all buying Chemical Seal armour before next run.

>>53269553
>Filchetti Pain Inducer

Most underrated weapon in SR. Strap one on a drone and you can take out the tanks the sammy can't cut through.

>>53269587
Having been on the receiving end of one and barely surviving with a better than average edged roll, I completely fucking agree.

>>53269526
Huh didn't think specialization would count toward thrown skill rating when figuring number of objects readied.

>>53269526
All I want to do as the Forever GM is play a 14 Strength Punch and Throwing Weapons troll. I want to hit people for 16p with a Boomerang, damn it.

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>>53269659
My mistake. It's half your Agility rounded up for how many you can ready, and half your Combat Skill for how many attacks per Phase. Still totally possible to get 7AGI in a variety of ways, though, or to spend two simple actions to fill your hands with grenades for your dramatic entrance. Your dicepool is going to be shot anyways with Multiple Attack pool-splitting, might as well make sure you're using handfuls of smoke grenades scattered everywhere.

>>53269716
One day, anon.

Automatic or single shot?

>>53270412
Semi-automatic. Nobody uses full auto or burst, because you won't hit anything and only waste your ammo.

>>53270519
Sniper rifles or automatic rifles?

>>53270554
I was talking about automatics.

If you get a precise enough of a rifle, you can go with semi-automatic for sniper rifles too.

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>>53270519

>>53270412
Unless your character has 1 strength, SA is better. Assuming your character can buy enough Recoil Compensation, Burst Fire and Full Auto are fucking powerful.

Don't listen to >>53270519. Chummer has gun autism that influences his Shadowrun.

>>53270554
Automatics
Assault riffle with improved range finder will cover all of your ranges durning almost any run

>>53270519
>With explicit knowledge of the fact that I'm going to set off an autismo Joe

Pray tell friend, how do you figure?

>>53270700
With regards to shadowrun or real life?

>>53271126
No one gives a fuck about your weekend warrior skills and deep tactical knowledge. SR or fuck off.

>>53271475
Everyone in shadowrun uses full auto, because the devs are retarded.

>>53270519
You are correct in real life. Wildly incorrect in Shadowrun.

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>>53271604
t. 4e player

>>53270519
Only if you're an idiot who doesn't mod his gun.

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Which edition has the best magic/mundane balance?

>>53273626
Shadowrun Anarchy

What are some Geas's you've taken or seen taken?
How major do you usually go for them?

>>53273646
Lol it's easy to balance nothing.

>>53274401
One of my players took the Incantation Geas (fluffed as singing). She is a druid who awakened during a concert she gave (where she caused some people to die through mob control) and now she sings to keep control over this

>>53271604
I can understand the realism you go for in thinking that recoil would still be the biggest deciding factor in scatter in terms of firing a full auto weapon (I assume that's the argument anyways). The reason average people never fire full auto is because of recoil right?

>>53233182
Playing a shark adept who punches his way through problems.

How do you play such a character right? I mean, in combat I soak up hundreds of rounds of automatic fire, and I hit like a truck but I never seem to do really well.

Usually it's one or two rounds in and I'm on my last legs.

Even with ~45 dice for my armour/body save I get shit kicked every combat.

What are your strategies for not getting hit?

>>53274484
No, it's because it's useless and wasteful.

I can go more into detail if you wish.

>>53274605
Nope. I thought that was your argument. No need of it's not.

>>53274604
How the fuck are you taking that much damage with that large of a soak pool?

>>53274604
Be faster. Dead them niggas first.

From what I understand, it's really hard to actually tank without some type of hardened armor because you get butt fucked by stun.

>>53274635
It is a part of it, but not all of it. Even with a subgun with a negligible amount of recoil, you generally don't shoot full auto.

>>53274655
Well, every enemy has high end firearms and APDS ammo.

The mooks I mean. The non-mooks get a makeover to be a suitable challenge.

our DM has a bit of a love affair with infected.

>>53274662
My initiative is 20+4d6, I don't know if I can get much faster without a lot more karma/money. Or becoming infected...

>>53274662
But yeah you're right. Sadly I spent my last big paycheck on augmented muscle 4, and a force 6 weapon foci made out of Drexel.

>>53274807
Get some more Edge. Use some to go first. Then do your best job.

>>53274807
How strong is your group?

>45 soak and 20+4d6 int

Fuck me

>>53274807
>high end firearms and APDS ammo.
what kind of high power games do you play? APDS should not be that common, especially not with MOOKS, you know expendable enemies

>>53274832
Ah, well. Our entire group consists of two folks. The shark adept troll and the blood mage pixie.

Because it's only two people the GM gave us a few handouts.

"Demigod" which is a homebrew that increases two stats and their cap by +1, +2 essence, and +100k ¥ at Chargen.

Past that, he might go easier on us for some loot purchasing (provided we throw enough money at it)

I can post my chummed sheet if you'd like.

>>53274807
APDS doesn't chew through 45 soak. Unless you're getting hit with anti tank rounds, you shouldn't worry about damage.

How the fuck is the rest of your team alive if they're getting through your soak pool?

>>53274878
>Turning SR into mutants and masterminds

>>53274460
Is there a list of reccomended geas's? I thought i had to fully invent my own

>>53274901
Not really. It lets him turn up the heat with his custom creations, and is supposed to account for the fact we're missing 1/2 to 2/3 of a properly sized group.

There's only two of us runners after all.

>>53274933
I'm playing 4e so there's a bunch of them in Street Magic.
In 5e I'd guess they are in Street Grimoire

>>53274898
Oddly, the troll draws fire, and the pixie has an ungodly high defensive pool, plus giving -6 to hit due to size and pixie invisibility. She tends to throw down with mages, not mooks. Physical is my job, magic is her job.

What is transgenic? Google is as usual unhelpful and I dont know where to look to find it in the books

>>53274962
though looking at my sheet, I think I've made a few mistakes. Gonna have to fix that before next game.

Anyway, here it is.

Name: Makton Shliebler Alias: Bjorn
Troll, Male Movement: 12/24
8'3", 673'b Composure: 6
Street Cred: 5 Judge Intentions: 7
Notoriety: 1 Lift/Carry: 20 (180 kg/120 kg)
Public Awareness: 0 Memory: 4
Karma: 23 Nuyen: 97045
Age: 21 Skin: Grey-Blue
Eyes: Yellow Hair: Bald

== Priorities ==
Metatype: A - Any metatype
Attributes: B - 20 Attributes
Special: C - Adept, Magician, or Technomancer
Skills: D - 22 Skills/0 Skill Groups
Resources: E - 100,000¥
Bonus Skill: Unarmed Combat

== Attributes ==
BOD: 8 CHA: 3
AGI: 5 (6) INT: 4
REA: 4 (8) LOG: 1
STR: 8 (12) WIL: 3
EDG: 2 MAG: 8

== Derived Attributes ==
Essence: 7.28 Initiative: 8 (12) + 4d6 (+8 from adrenaline power)
Physical Damage Track: 13 Rigger Init: 12 + 4d6
Stun Damage Track: 12 Astral Init: 8 + 2d6
Physical: 14 Matrix AR Init: 12 + 4d6
Mental: 3 Matrix VR Cold Init: 4 + DP + 3d6
Social: 5 Matrix VR Hot Init: 4 + DP + 4d6
Astral: 5

== Active Skills ==
Gymnastics Base: 0 + Karma: 3 = 3 Pool: 9
Perception Base: 6 + Karma: 0 = 6 Pool: 12
Pilot Ground Craft Base: 2 + Karma: 0 = 2 Pool: 10
Sneaking (Urban) Base: 0 + Karma: 6 = 6 Pool: 12 (14)
Throwing Weapons Base: 1 + Karma: 0 = 1 Pool: 7
Unarmed Combat Base: 0 + Karma: 6 = 6 Pool: 15

>>53275122
A short description is in the Chrome Flesh section for Transgenetics.

>>53275122
In 4e it's Augmentation, in 5e it's Chrome Flesh
Basically it's non-metahuman genes spliced into your genom, which leads to a number of improved stuff, like Adapsin (decreases your Essence loss of all ware after it), Dynomitan (which increases INT skills) and various adaptations (that decrease penalties from various environments)

>>53275202
Transgenic Inspiration vs Normal Inspiration
is transgenic the 'permanent' version and normal the limited time one?
Using chummer 4e for reference

>>53275155
== Qualities ==
Adept
Agile Defender
Allergy (Common, Extreme) (Shellfish)
Allergy (Uncommon, Moderate) (Pullution)
Biocompatability (Bioware)
Code of Honor (Akichita Code)
Computer Illiterate
Critter Spook
Faraday Himself
High Pain Tolerance (Rating 3)
Mentor Spirit (Shark)
Perceptive II
Phobia (Common, Severe) (Drowning)
Prejudiced (Specific, Outspoken) (Bioware Users)
Prototype Transhuman
Quick Healer
Simsense Vertigo
The Beast's Way
Thermographic Vision
Tough and Targeted
Tough as Nails Physical I
Tough as Nails Stun II
Toughness
Wanted (EVO wants there ware back)

== Powers ==
Adrenaline Boost Rating: 4
Astral Perception
Attribute Boost (AGI) Rating: 4
Counterstrike Rating: 1
Critical Strike (Unarmed)
Improved Reflexes 3
Keratin Control
Killing Hands
Living Focus
Mystic Armor Rating: 2
Penetrating Strike Rating: 4
Spirit Claw
Traceless Walk
Transmit Damage Rating: 2

== Lifestyles ==
Da Truck! (Squatter) 1 months
The Djinns Gym (Medium) -1 months

== Cyberware/Bioware ==
Bone Density Augmentation Rating 4
Muscle Augmentation Rating 4
Platelet Factories
Reflex Recorder (Skill) (Unarmed Combat)
Striking Callus Rating 4

== Armor == ( I'm pretty sure this is wrong and armour doesnt stack. Chummer stated only the highest value is used?)
Forearm Guards 3
+Gel Packs
+Holster
+Throwing Knife
Full Body Armor 17
+Chemical Seal
+Fire Resistance 3
+Gel Packs
+Nonconductivity 6
Full Body Armor: Helmet 5
+Gel Packs
+Biomonitor
+Image Link
+Sound Link
+Vision Enhancement Rating 3

== Weapons ==
Unarmed Attack
Pool: 15(19 with agility boost) Accuracy: 14 DV: 18P AP: -4 RC: 5

>>53275232
As you can tell the DM was fine with us going nuts with qualities, as again, its just the two of us and he loves to use them on us. Specifically my allergy to so :/

Still, I knew what I Was getting into when I took that one.

>>53275202
Does adaspin increase essence retention at character generation as well?

>>53275232
What's pullution?

>>53275266
>essence retention
If you take it at chargen, yeah. Restricted Gear (Adapsin) and Biocompatibility (Cyberware) is handy.

>>53275304
Lol I worded it oddly and was too lazy to rewrite so I just went with essence retention.

>>53275224
>Transgenic Inspiration vs Normal Inspiration
There are two Inspirations available, but the one in the gear register is IIRC just the one in the cyber register but not installed yet. So should you find a canister with the genes and vectors that would be the gear one, and once you "install" it it would be the augmentation one
At least that's how I understood your question

>>53275289
That's what you get if you stay in Puyallup for too long

>>53275289
Specifically the abilities of pollution mages, but also zones which are heavily tainted by industrial waste or even an especially smoggy day.

>>53275289
>>53275382
God dammit. Yeah, thanks for pointing that out.

>>53275382
So, pollution?

>>53275382
No, anon. pUllution.

>>53275399
Kek

No prob.

>>53275372
I thought that was the black lung?

>>53275334
I just reread it
Correction: The gear one is what you buy, once the duration ends you make a Essence+Edge test. Depending on your hits you get different results :
>Crit Glitch means you develop a tumor and die in 2d6 weeks
>glitch means you take 2S unresisted, unhealable damage
>0 hits mean the positive effect fades but the negative effect stays
>1-4 hits means it fades normally
>5 hits mean you get the full effect permanently at the cost of 0.4 ESS

>>53275155
Post it as a .pdf chummer

>>53275526
You know, I'm not sure how. Been trying to figure that out as I go.

>>53275644
Doesn't chummer5 have a print to .pdf option?

>>53275644
click on the Printer button, click on the arrow next to "Save as HTML" and select "Save as PDF"
If that doesn't work, install a PDF printer and print using that

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>>53275681
That would make sense, but I cant find it. Save as, print (which brings up the various formats of character sheet) and export dont seem to work for pdf.
>>53275693
Danka

Have to go through and clean up the attributes, as chummer doesnt like some of the custom stuff the DM is doing, and the DM wanted me to swap out a few negative qualities. (shellfish with soy for example)

>>53275756
>3 willpower, no double elastin, no pain editor
Found the problem, omae.

>>53275756
Sorry, how long have you been playing as this character?

Are there any guides to playing a Rigger?

>>53277899
there are the Hayek Sheets in the Mediafire

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How decent is this idea? Dwarf mage hunter. Mundane, but high will power and magic resistance to shrug off spells. Sawed off shotgun in one hand and a sword in the other. Uses as much ware/drugs as he needs to, but takes time to research his opponents and prep too.
I guess if worst comes to worst he could be an adept but I like the mundane factor.

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>>53278540
Just remember, smoke grenades cut off mage LOS.

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>>53278540
>dwarf
>melee

Not unless you've got Skimmers, anon.

>>53281005
They actually don't.

>>53281298
Yeah they do. They even have thermal blocking smoke if you're one of those mages with thermographic vision or cyber-eyes.

>>53281005
>>53281298
>>53281402
Depending on how heavy the smoke is judged to be on a given turn out of the default 4 (or so), it's anywhere from -1 to -6 on the spellcasting roll, 0 to -4 if the caster has thermal vision and you're not using thermal smoke.

You might consider also investing in some RPC mods for your armor to get the most penalty you can.

>>53275155
7.28 essence.

What the fuck am I reading?

>>53282474
His GM gave them 2 extra essence and 100k nuyen to compensate for there being only two runners in the group.

As opposed to the more rational NPC decker/technomancer and running a street level campaign.

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>>53278540
Forbidden Arcana has Null Wizards, who can only disrupt magic. That might be an option for you, if you're not totally committed to being mundane.
>>53281298
SR5 p.174 >Whether it’s natural rain, fog, smoke from natural sources, or smoke screen of some type thrown up for cover, they all block line of sight.
Line of sight is used consistently to refer to spellcasting.
YGMMV on whether vision modifier penalties apply to spellcasting and whether you can avoid those penalties by casting Astrally.
>>53275155
8 MAG?

>>53282532
>Forbidden Arcana has Null Wizards, who can only disrupt magic.
And conjure spirits.

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>>53283099
Heh. Yeah, I noticed that as well. Quality CGL, you'd think they'd just say 'The only magical skills the character may use are disenchanting, counterspelling and banishing'.

>>53277395
About 3 runs over thrice as many sessions.

The last run had a net payout of about 300k because there were only two of us.

>>53277067
Not overly familiar with the bioware, what do they do?

>>53282532
two initiations which allowed me to put those starting special stat points into magic.

>>53283284
Maybe you should be playing Exalted or Mutants & Masterminds.

>>53283307
How the dick did you afford all those qualities AND the initiations? Did your GM just throw buckets of karma at you?

>>53283284
>Not overly familiar with the bioware, what do they do?
Definitely nothing different here, compared to what's written in the books.

>>53277067
>double elastin
thanks chummer, didn't know that was a thing. Thats basically right up my alley. Might even have enough to get it done after this run. (sitting on 90k nuyen)

>>53283360
The GM allowed us to take as many negative qualities as we were willing to suffer for.

I was originally going to keep the list quite tame, but the more experienced player told me to go big or go home so here we are.

>>53283362
Double elastin and pain editor are pretty terrific. Should be able to pick them up and stay within my essence limit.

Also, by way of explanation, the GM takes essence before magic if you have less invested in the latter than you have left of the former.

ie, 8 magic (6 core, two initiation) with 8 essence, leads me with a spare 2 essence to either invest into magic for, or into augmentation which is what I've done.

It is very over powered, but the GM likes his high level games because of all the custom critters he throws at us.

>>53283170
At least they got it right in the path of the Pariah tradition later in the book. Speaking of the variant Aspected mages, any idea when they'll make into chummer Yekka?

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Can a mage target themselves with a los spell using a mirror or something? That new growth spell seems neat and I was trying to figure out ways to use it.

Apologies if its a dumb question, I'm pretty new and our group's GM likes to have us read the books a few times before any questions.

>>53283681
Any GM who isn't a hairsplitter will probably just let the mage look down at their body.

>>53283695
Ah, makes sense. I just wasn't sure if you needed to see the whole body or face or what have you. Thanks Chummer! I appreciate the help.

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I'm trying to put a nuyen value on some stock. Anyone ever seen monetary return values for megacorps in any edition?

>>53283941
>Stocks
Go SK or go home
Always bet on the Dragon

>>53283941
>players are buying stocks

This is what happens when you play Shadowrun with economists guys.

>>53284002
This is what happens when runners are stupid. Stocks have to be tied to a SIN, and it's all too easy to have to burn a SIN.

>>53284002
My training is more in statistics, not that I've ever actually worked in the field since I graduated. It's the reward from the Lockdown adventures (3% Monobe voting stock) that I'm trying to put a value to.

That said, I've got my own calculations that peg them as about elsewhere, but I'd rather base them on something more complex than that chart on 'what buys what', mucking around with PPP and a few older book references on what 'hoarding' cash means for a megacorp.

>>53284021
Depends on how you do it. Extraterritorial SINs can work in your favour for that sort of thing; and there are services that can work anonymously mentioned in fiction. They even mention the SIN thing in 4e in relation to housing - sure, live in an EVO owned rental house. Buy a SIN from them. Just never run against EVO.

>>53284335
>being in a megas pocket ever.
why don't you just ask the GM to fuck you over a barrel?

>>53284385
In a situation where you've got that much voting stock, you're not exactly playing a normal game so standard doesn't apply.

What's the best way to crank up your initiative for an adept? Current idea for the build has Increased Reflexes 3, leaving me at 4d6+10 init. Any way to get that last die or a solid increase other than drugs?

>>53285309
Initiative boosts don't tend to be compatible, and the best ones push you up to +4d6. Just take Improved Reflexes 2 and pop Jazz before fights, unless you're avoiding drugs for character reasons, in which case, tough.

>>53285309
If you absolutely must get great initiative without drugs, you can blow a bunch of karma on Adept Spell (Increase Reflexes) and the Spellcasting rank to be decent at it. Gets you fast as fuck with a good roll but you need to sustain it.

>>53285309
Move By Wire 3 and Adrenaline Boost works.

>>53283669
Still trying to puzzle out how to implement them without giving point buy the shaft. I may have to make them into separate qualities, that'd probably be the easiest way to manage it, but there's no karma costs. I guess I could base it on being an Aspected Magician?

>>53285592
>MBW3
>on an adept
Why not tell him to take it as Used too, while you're at it?

>>53283170
You'd think, but then what's right next to it? The Seer! Which says does "not manifest any magical talent", and "Cannot take any magical skill group".

>>53286734
I could, but after that post we're full up on acerbic retards.

Adrenaline Boost is one of the few ways to upgrade MBW initiative that doesn't also add to Reaction and become incompatible without using Accelerator. (which is still good to look at afterwards)

Burnout's Way is the only way to get Alpha MBW 3 during chargen - and you're not getting Beta or Delta without a long, skinflint game or GM intervention.

>>53283343
That's what I said! M&M campaign is what they're playing.

>>53244256
hey, rachel bloom is fabulous. don't front

also
>not realizing that you're the guy at 1:30 with the pocket protector

>>53244256
Bill Cuck the cuckiest cuck that ever cucked.

>>53286937
>Dangerously cheesy

>>53285309
More drugs

>>53287630
>wasting all that adept essence on MBW

It's as cheesy as those yellow plastic bricks Americans eat

>>53283941
Read the market panic book to get an idea for who is on top. For a baseline on how big a AAA stock is think of the biggest company you know that owns several companies and then multiply that by 3.

>>53288236
Yeah, I'd thought of that but I was hunting for actual nuyen values. I've got a bodge-job running across a spreadsheet based on what I came up with earlier, but any hard data is more useful.

>>53288537
The hard data is, "Enough money to retire on with High Lifestyles for the rest of your life." 3% stock in a AA that is practically a AAA (if only they can sort out the politics of getting a seat) is an unconscionable amount of money. There's no value for it, because it's Congratulations You Are Winner Play Again?

>>53288641
Yes, I know. I'm not doing it for game purposes, I'm doing it for my own curiosity. Cheers.

>>53288654
The only time I recall people really talking about selling shares is with the PCC, but they never gave a number for it. Other companies are theoretically publically traded, but it never comes up except for things like the Nanosecond Buyout.

>>53288822
Yeah. There are a few sections where 'hoard'ing cash for a megacorp is described as hundreds of millions, and a few tentative fuckaround calculations of mine peg global GDP at something like 450 trillion nuyen, with the the vast bulk of that being money moving inside megacorporations and never leaving it, just paying for internals goods and services. I valued Shiawase at around 1.8 trillion, for example. But this is all very back-of-the-envelope, with heavy extrapolations from mcdonalds figures on the sales of big macs and chinese state corporations.

Aside from Corporate Guide, out of ideas.

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>>53288641
That ain't retirement money. A lifetime of Luxury lifestyles is retirement money.

>>53289169
Greed is the root of all evil, anon.

I forgot that Luxury was an option, it's definitely worth that

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>>53289926
Chummers, when was the last time your runner had a luxury lifestyle? How did they pay for it? How long were they able to keep it? Did it change them?

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>>53290313
>ever having a luxury lifestyle
>being a runner

crash.exe