Convince me why your Legion is the best Legion, /tg/.

>>53212945
Blood Angels. They get shit done, are chill with all Imperium forces bar Ad-Mech, had the best Primarch, look fabulous, and have the best Chapter Master/Librarian.
Their only downside is their successor chapters.

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>>53212945
If you try and fuck with the Fists, they'll bring you down with them.

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>>53213109
I agree.

>>53212945

Night Lords are... Umm...

Fuck, we're not even the best at being the worst legion.

>>53212945
Soace wolves were chosen to be the Emperor's executioners out of their unquestioning loyalty. Also space vikings riding giant space wolves and Ice gun technology!!

>ib4 space furries Wolf Wolfy McWolfen
I know, they used to be so cool, now they are so dull
>ib4 memeangel are best not traitors much loyalty such rewards

>>53212945
It's written in the fluff that they are

Iron hands. Forgotten but not dead.

>>53212945
>Raven Guard

Spec Ops in Space.

Solar Aux because: motherfuck your power armor.

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>>53212945
What, you don't like to party?

>>53213258
UltraSmurfs go home!

>>53212945
Death Guard are some tough motherfuckers OP. Superhuman constitution even by astartes standards. Chemical weapons and salt the earth tactics make for some good killing. Sure we fell to chaos because of a fucking fever dream our primarch had; and now he's being an emotional little bitch about it on Plague planet, but we still get shit done.

>>53213073
Sangy a shit

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>>53213109

Thousand Sons pre-heresy:
>Psychic legion
>Swords and psychic powers
>Beetle aesthetic
>Generally nice people
>Paradise homeworld

Post-Heresy:
>All is Dust
>Egyptian bird aesthetic
>Tragic villains, the best type of villain

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green iz da best
Promethean Cult
Fire
Lizard skins
Fire
Psykers that summon anvils to fall on their enemies
Fire
Tenacity

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>>53212945
Night Lords because fuck the emperor and chaos.

>>53213172
This is the price of freedom brother

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>>53212945
It isn't.

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>>53213109
No, that's the IW. Read the short Iron Within.

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His work speaks for itself. Courage and honor!

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We are the sons of the lion, the proudest and most loyal of space marines. We are the first and strongest legion, our loyalty is beyond quetion.

FOR THE LION AND FOR THE EMPEROR

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Ours is the most beautiful Primarch!

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>not retarded
>govern a well functioning mini-empire within the IoM with clearly higher quality of life
>not a mary sue but neither autistic retard primarch, one of the most sane and well adjusted out of all primarchs
>Rome theme is GOAT

When you start 40k you like Ultras, when you take part in the community you start hating them for being vanilla and Ward's influence and once you dig deeper, you realize that Ultras are top tier if not the best.

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I am a 40knoob and have a question for you guys.

If Eldar are smarter, faster, have better technology, more psychic, etc than humans....
...why don't they just do their own "Space Marine" programs?
Do all the same body modifications, same (or better) armor because they have better tech, etc.
You'll have giant stronger eldar who are better than space marines in every way.

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>>53215210
He's nothing compared to Swiggy:

"...He leapt to the top of the bloody heap and raised his sword to the heavens, just as a shaft of moonlight broke through the clouds and poured down over him. Picked out in the spotlight, the grinning prince could be seen for miles around and the knights nearest to him stumbled in confusion. None of them had ever witnessed such a dazzling vision of unholy power.

The column of light resembled the gaze of a god, shining down benevolently on its most beloved child. A glittering mantle of snowflakes surrounded Sigvald as he surveyed his brutish enemies. “AVERT YOUR GAZE!” he cried, his voice ringing out across the battlefield and his eyes blazing with scorn. He turned his sword towards Mord Huk’s knights. “DO NOT PRESUME TO TURN SUCH REPULSIVE FACES IN MY DIRECTION!” To their amazement, whole swathes of the army looked away in shame, humbled by the prince’s words. Others roared in defiance and launched themselves at him, but before they could reach the Geld-Prince, their brother-knights clubbed them to the ground, desperate to protect the glittering prince..."

When you are so handsome your enemies fight each other to protect you.

>>53213109
Is that why they were extinguished in the War of the Beast?

>>53215240
there are too few of them to try. Hundreds of initiates into a chapter die and the resulting marines are infertile

>>53215240

Eldar aren't superior. Most of their tech was lost after their fall. The enperor used dark age of technology era human tech as well as his psyker abilities ( dark age human tech being on par with eldar shit and the emperor is the strongest psyker to exist) so the eldar can't do it. Roboute was only just recently able to make superior marines because he has access to that shit like Corax did.

And before "muh eldar are superior psykers!" it has been said in lore that he is the only thing stopping the warp from overtaking the universe/galaxy. Hence why the eldar are helping to save anyone like Roboute and there was worries about the throne failing. If he dies, everyone is beyond fucked. He played a gambit against chaos and now he's the last thing keeping it at bay. Another reason why everyone who knows is so pissed and tried to avoid the heresy. Because now everyone's fate, not just humans, relies on him holding that shit back because his legions turning to chaos made them stronger than ever and if he fails they will be impossible to stop as the immaterium and materium collapse and merge together.

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Alpha Legion, because you can't betray the imperium if you were never loyal to it originally

>>53214559

Night Lords do fall to chaos. Only the Alpha legion avoids it since one or both of their primarchs may be alive and they believe that causing chaos to win will just destroy chaos because of the cabal. They are the only true renegade marines who avoid mutations and shit and just start up cults and use chaotic forces as pawns. Night Lords kinda scattered off and some fell to chaos, some didn't. At least one became a daemon prince at some point.

>>53215306
where's the beast?

>>53215488
Yea thats true, a lot of the modern Night Lords have been tainted.

I suppose i prefer them over Alpha because there are pure raider groups who only act in self interest whereas Alpha dudes seem to be directed in a master plan.

>>53215366
Sub-optimization principle. A system is more than the sum of its parts. Individually an Eldar is clearly superior to a Human. As a collective, however, the Eldar posses faults that could categorize their civilization (system) as inferior.

>>53215240
>drink your paint water

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>>53215240
Aspect warriors equal marines in skill, training and firepower, if you want genetic modification go to Dark Eldar.

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>>53212945
Our traitors redeemed themselves.

>>53214398
>>Paradise homeworld
Only Tizka, Prospero itself was dangerous shithole.

>>53215947
Not all of them.

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Best Legio(n) coming through. We even fall to Chaos better, we just get the ability to Sweep. There's way more of us than there are Marines, we can be commanded to heal ourselves, our heroic sacrifices produce Battle Cannon shots and we can beat down Custodes handily. Astartes aint got shit.

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>>53212945
>First amongst equals
>the Warmaster's own
>most full compliances
>bros with almost every legion
>shattered force of a few thousand marines on a dead world held off the full force of four traitor legions after being backstabbed and virus-bombed into oblivion
Cast off the heraldry of the traitorous cur, brothers, we are wolves once more. While one of us still draws breath, none of those motherless bastards shall leave this world. Kill for the living, kill for the dead!

>dark angels
First legion best legion
Awesome robed aesthetic
Top tier primarch who was implied to have inherited the Emperor's godly aura
Based space catholics who literally serve no one but the Emperor to physically remove heretics
Plasma is love, plasma is life

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>>53213109
>>53215714
>Got wiped out to the last man
>Orks are still the most numerous race in the galaxy
>The Beast is still around.

Not even Iron Hands can fuck up as badly as the Imperial Fists.

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sexual domination by women

>>53212945
Alpha legion

Two words
> CIA space marines
If that isn't the sickest legion I don't know what is

>>53215488
>alpha legion avoids corruption
everyone is susceptible, part of the corrupt mockery of their 30k form in 40k is that they have so many cells, operators, double agents, etc. that they don't know what they're doing, none of them do, and probably aren't doing anything unified anymore. Lots of them fall to chaos, its not like you can start a cult from a distance and not get touched by that.

>>53215947
If all you have to do to get redeemed is get killed fighting your enemy, in the galaxy's largest civil war, its not exactly hard. They didn't go very far into the deep end either.

>>53212945
The Blood Ravens are not the best, but they already stole the title from anyone who was.

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>>53212945
>Convince me why your Legion is the best Legion, /tg/.
Mind control - the best form of convincing

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White power.

>>53215714
killed by vulkan, not the fists. Fists fuck everything up and go crying into their pain glove

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>>53218380
The thing is, we know absolutely bugger all about post-heresy Alpha Legion, but then again those who actually fell to chaos are a radical minority, while it's certainly possible that some of them fell to chaos, it's just... we don't know, it's simple as that, we have no bloody idea.

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>>53220733

We know why they turned traitor.
There's no reason for them to fall to chaos at all.

Though there is value in making others think they have.

>>53213804
Objectively false

>>53220139
>killed by vulkan, not the fists.
No... Vulkan fought the Goff Beast/Prime-Ork and lost. The same Beast came out and crushed the last Imperial Fist underneath his gigantic boot after Koorland and buddies barely managed to kill the Death Skull's Beast/"Prime-Ork".

>>53220733
>>53220794
The thing is, we have articles in the index astartes that talks about them being fragmented and corrupted. Like, you can fluff ur doods as renegade bad boys who play by their own rules operationally, but as a legion they're just as lost and damned as everyone else. That they don't know it themselves is part of the irony.

>>53217886

Custom chapter idea: Moon Coyotes. Loyalist. Primarch ... uncertain.

>>53221229

Didn't the latest age of emperor, or whatever the fuck, book feature a couple of uncorrupted legionaries fighting some sororitas? I can't find the fucking thing but I know that it was going around for awhile.

Besides, most of the lore you're referencing is from before the Horus Herasy books.

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>>53221735

Found what I was talking about.

Look at these uncorrupted motherfuckers.

>>53212945
Orkz is da bess lejun coz deyz da biggist an da shootiest and da stongest and da greenist

>>53220794
Alpha Legion is decentralised af. Whilst this ensures that they can never, or at least highly unlikely, be completely wiped out. It means 10'000 years of variations, evolution, and decisions make them susceptible to change - as is the case of all CSM legions.

This feeds into the high degree of independence and autonomy present in them pre-heresy both in a strategic and tactical level. On a tactical level all legionaries were able to voice their agency in an uncensored manner and were trained in every manner of warfare. On a strategic level their order of battle constantly shifted and changed, partially to meet emerging threats, and partially to confuse and dumbfound witnesses.

In the heresy there was a massive civil war within the alpha legion. Whilst some of it can be explained by: shattered legion, and loyalist elements; omegon v. alpharus split; and warlordism within the legion. I think that their decentralised nature really fractured them as a legion then.

After the heresy, what groups that still survived, probably continued to remain highly autonomous from any centralised command. A portion can be assumed to have stayed loyalist and joined the imperium, some joined chaos due to a variety of reasons (warlordism, exposure and corruption, and rejection of orthodox alpha legion doctrine), most I think stayed renegades. Their decentralised nature really means that anything could happen.

>tl;dr alpha legion was always decentraised, individual warbands could change for the better, worst, same

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They fucking exist, that's more than some assholes can say.