MtG $$$$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$$$ MODERN GENERAL

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>>53210941
I'm tinkering with a Gruul Dragon Tribal. Should I put Transverse over pic related?

>>53210988
If you can meet the delirium trigger, yes. That mostly means running some black for that ez T1 sorcery.

I'm not sure why you'd be in only two colors.

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>>53211061
>why you'd be in only two colors
Haven't had enough incentive to splash another color. I have Silumgar the Drifting Death, but I can cast him easily with Haven and Birds of Paradise or Elvish Piper

I'm just trying to make sure I have the most efficient search and shit for what I'm trying to do which is basically a Dragon burn/beatdown featuring Scourge and Utvara Hellkite.

The cards that I haven't touched throughout my constant tinkering and are definitely there to stay (for now) are:
>Utvara Hellkite
>Scourge of Valkas
>Elvish Piper
>Birds of Paradise
>Cultivate
>Sarkhan's Triumph
>Dragon Tempest
and as it stands, my other nonlands are
>Silumgar, the Drifting Death
>Archwing Dragon
>Talara's Battalion
>Slumbering Dragon
>Manamorphose
>Lead the Stampede
>Heat Shimmer
honorable mention being Commune with Nature which I can't decide if it's worth it over Lead the Stampede

all in all I have the core of my deck all set but I've been working for months on this deck and I can't find the best ramps and stuff for my deck, there's so much to choose from and all of it seems good

Is it stupid to not have a third color?

I've been working on this list

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/esper-tempo-light/

It's by no means complete yet but it's got some decent match ups and is pretty fun to play. It's basically the Jeskai flash deck but transposed to Esper.

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>>53211270
>Censor

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>>53211061
Fuck it. This is the fucking deck right here.

>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dragon-hive-1/?cat=type&sort=cost

and I haven't playtested it or anything, but here is a similar deck to what I was trying to do and it kind of looks better, but I'm not sure I've only been playing this game for a couple months
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-06-14-how-to-train-your-oh-sweet-mother-of-god/?cat=type&sort=cost

>>53211295
Can't blame a brother for trying

good thread

>>53211297
>>53210988
>>53211240
>MtG $$$$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$$$ MODERN GENERAL

>>53211995
A deck is competitive if you try to win with it, not if it actually wins.

>>53212004
While I can appreciate the sentiment behind making whatever deck you're running more competitive, you're posting in a general that felt the need to use dollar signs in the title to ward off "casuals". Without so much as a hint of irony.

Next time don't admit you're new, and try framing your deck idea as being related to either the usage-based-tiered decks or a formerly established standard/extended deck. And if you can't do that, basically tie your idea to an example of a concept that either *does* work or *has* worked, maybe consider that it's not the best idea.

>>53212071
That's not my deck though. Just saying the word competitive doesn't mean what you think it means and dollar symbols are just symbols. Replace it with "high dollar winning modern decks general" if that's what you want.

>>53212095
>as good as or better than others of a comparable nature
You may stop now.

>>53212120
And that's why people post their decks so they can improve them to be as good or better than other decks. The definition isn't "only stuff that wins". That OP hasn't stopped anyone in any of the threads because no one is going to automatically infer what $$$$ spam means and it still doesn't specify that Modern is a format and not a time frame.

>>53212004
I think you have that backwards. Otherwise the top 8 would be all jank brew.

>>53212144
You're autistic as fuck mate.

Once again you're purposefully misinterpreting the definition of competitive to continue this dumb argument even though you've got no ground to stand on, but then you go off on random tangents about how confusing the OP is that are unrelated to anything in my post.

Which might be acceptable if the OP wasn't crystal clear with wording such as
>This thread is for the competitive discussion of the modern format. Kitchen table discussion is not welcome, but they don't read OPs anyway. For reference the average deck will run you anywhere from $400-$2000
So not only does it explain the meaning of the dollar signs but also that modern is a format and not a timeframe, complete with a link to a primer describing modern. In this context a competitive deck refers to a deck that is at a similar powerlevel to other competitive decks. A list of those is also provided in the OP.

You're wrong on literally every front and no one cares about your dumb dragon tribal deck, thanks for wasting posts and time with this discussion.

>>53212095
Here's the part you're missing: every competitive format in the game has its own metagame that partly dictates what can and can't be successful. Being "competitive" in that context either means running one of the decks that's established by tournament results to be the frontrunners in the format, or finding a way to attack an expected metagame. Returning to old ideas can be one way to do the latter, as sometimes decks do get better with time and may present a valid means of beating expected opponents.

You can even frame it as a budget issue, but if your deck doesn't even try to play out like a tiered deck or attack the meta then it won't be "competitive in the format": and no other kind of "competitive" is relevant in organized Modern play.

>>53212199
>>53212253
I feel like the fact that people have to explain to people these points over and over and over again to seemingly no improvement in universal understanding of concepts in the Magic community is indicative of why Wizards is able to be a grossly incompetent company and suffer no pushback for it.

If players cannot grasp the parameters of what is considered competitive as you've explained, then how the fuck are they going to be smart enough to identify the company is just dogfucking the entire time.

It's crippling how much it costs to be competitive in this format, but what is even worse is players exhibiting ignorance and just unwillingness to better their understanding because they can't be special snowflakes, which is probably what sold them on the game in the first place and the harsh reality is that the secondary market and Wizards have swindled them. And they'd rather blame the mindset of competitive players than see there's a overarching problem.

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stale format general

>>53212335
Then go to a different game by a different company.

>>53211297
Im sorry friend but your deck is not good. Your threats take a long time to hit the board the way your ramp is set up and they arent even game finishing. If you want to win in modern you have to go quicker or bigger, or disrupt your opponent enough to then do your thing and youre not doing any of those things. If you want to play it casually then by all means enjoy yourself but I can think of at least 20 decks that will beat yours.

What's Burns worst matchup? All you faggots do is recommend Burn so I'm sure if I build against it I will win easy.

>>53212693
Soul Sisters or Martyr Proc probably

>>53212761
Martyr is low-key good right now unless your local is full of Tron.

>>53212779
What do you think the best version is? Traditional mono white, the popular black splash, or something spicy like Wr with Nahiri?

>>53211295
Literally no reason not to run censor
It's a strictly better mana leak

>>53212867
It's only good as a tempo card because people will still play around it game two after you board it out for real cards.

>>53212895
if you had ever played U control in your life you would know that counterspells suck ass if you're on the draw

wizards have literally saved blue decks by giving them a turn 1 play

>>53212849
Wr is really about Blood Moon to shore up the lousy Tron matchup, Nahiri just feels unwanted to me. Wg gives you Sigarda and a whishboard, blue gives you Spell Queller, Detention Sphere, and a better Wrath.

Really my heart's telling me to run Bant but I can't quite justify it to myself.

>>53212693
Any life gain. Or fucking eldrazi tron since they can chalice on the entire deck.

>>53210962
Anyone have those meme eldrazi cards with things like "cream 6" as the annialator?

>>53212950
You mean spell pierce?

>>53214354
>meme

Seriously the most overused word on 4chan. Those cards aren't fucking memes. Just because a picture is funny doesn't mean it's a meme. I know exactly what your talking about, but I'm not gonna post them untill you stop using facebook-tier adjectives. Fucking cancerous newfag. Kys

>>53212950
How the fuck does it give you a turn 1 play? By fucking cycling? Pretty sure I'd like to have a scry 2 stapled onto a 1 mana cantrip. Oh wait...

>>53215998
>I know exactly what your talking about
thats wat makes it a meme desu

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>>53215998
>be on the internet
>go to 4chan
>see exactly the kind of shit you expect to see
>get upset about it
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why doesn't anybody want to play against 8 rack? :(
It's annoying but it's not even good.

>>53217450
Because it's annoying

Fellow storms player, when is the best time to bolt the baral ?
Also, what is the best 2 CMC spell to hit with a counter

Hey guys I was wondering if you had any tips for the sideboard in my snake tribal deck. I've been tuning it for a while and it's pretty competitive, I regularly go 3-1 at FNM with it and it seems to be decent in the current meta.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-05-17-dont-tread-on-me/

>>53218121
How shitty is your meta to let snake tribal go 3-1?

>>53218121
This is worse than kithkin, holy fuck.

>>53218139
My meta is pretty healthy and fairly competitive. We don't have any of the cancer decks right now like Storm, DSJ or Tron, but we do have a lot of fiercely competitive players.

>>53218183
>cancer decks right now like Storm, DSJ or Tron
You are the cancer

>>53218270
>you're cancer for not playing gay uninteractive decks like storm and tron or "rape your hand and play an 11/11 and 7/8 on t3"
Sure thing bub, just because I'm not netdecking some broken list doesn't mean I'm cancer.

>>53218328
>these are the opinions of new players
This game is dead.

>>53218362
Been playing for 5 years kiddo

>>53218396
Yea. That's what I said. New.

Abzan Player here, going to try the new hotness of Plague Belcher

3 Gravecrawlers, 3 Relentless Dead, 4 Bloodghast, 3 Plague Belchers, 2 Garys plus generic abzan shit (Meme Rhino, Lili of the Veil, Phyrexian Obliterators because Gary)

Should I go up to like, 4 Leyline of Sanctitys instead of 2 in the board? Because the burn matchup is rough.

>>53218407
What isn't new to you then you elitist cunt?

Playing since magic's inception?

>>53218121

Relic of Progenitus to go after Graveyard strategies
Kira, Great Glass-Spinner to handle targeted removal (also good with Time of Need, which you play)
I have no idea what else your deck struggles with if you don't have Storm/DSJ/Tron. I'd think because you're an aggro deck you'd be weak to combo, so having some extra counterspells in your sideboard would be a good way to switch to a more "control" gameplan against them (Mystic Snake is good, too). That's all I have for general advice.

>>53218121
>people are responding to a not modern legal deck

6/10

>>53218587
Looks modern legal to me

>>53218587
>>53218729
Wait, nevermind

I just saw that Kaseto is commander only

>>53218415
why bother with the other colors?

>>53218817
Considering dropping green, but I need white for Stony Silence and Path

Green is currently giving me Abrupt Decay and Siege Rhino

Until I have a replacement for Meme Rhino though, that is, the slap a body on the board and gain life at an equal or lower cmc, I don't feel comfortable getting rid of green

>>53218850
Also Lingering Souls is good

>>53218850
Kitchen Finks is a card

>>53218893
>>53218893
>>53218893
Doesn't give black devotion, doesn't play well with Plague Belcher.

Part of me wants one of the Souls Sisters, because of how much I'll be recurring Bloodghasts, tokens, and Gravecrawlers

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>>53218931

>>53218415
That's not abzan it's a zombie shitbrew

>>53219002
>>53218975
Somehow, this general is worse than pfg

What the fuck happened?

1-2 my first modern tournament
2-2 my second one :)

skrad

>>53219015
>this general is bad because people don't like my shitty half baked "abzan" zombie deck
wew

>>53219015
>someone doesn't tell you to fuck off with your non-competitive shitbrew
>instead you choose to ignore the advice and propose worse options for yourself
>complain when people start shitting you completely
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME?

>>53215998
Epic meme anon!

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>>53218451
>Not being Richard Garfield's best friend

>>53212867
>It's a strictly better mana leak
>strictly better

I don't think you know what this term means.

I really like the new Egyptian aesthetic
Gonna make a Cat-themed deck

>>53219917
>implying anyone plays off curve
>when they do you can cycle for a better counter spell

>>53212867
Waiter this meme is stale

>>53219917
I think that you are just bad at Magic, like most of the people here...

What's with the huge influx of casuals lately? There's more shitbrew posting than ever in the last week or so.

Like, fuck off with your kitchen table jank

>>53221102
They'll post in the threads regardless but they think it's funny to "troll" the thread. That and I'm sure some people are doing it for the easy (you)'s

>>53221102
Casuals are bad but don't you think anti-casuals are just as bad? I mean casuals post shitbrews but anti-casuals just complain about shitbrews.

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>>53212415
And when someone points how fatally flawed this game is, there is people who are happy with how things are. Which is fine on it's own end, but fuck off with your "go to different game" when someone is pointing out how fucking stupid this game can be.

>>53221603
But if you find the game stupid you should just leave? Why do something you clearly don't like?

>>53221603
That pic tho

>>53221712
Because he clearly likes the game and also has a good understanding on how the game works, but is not content on flaws it has and would like to rather see them being fixed instead of neglecting them and spiraling into shitshow? Wizards is incompetent. Have you seen standard? Have you not seen how draft sets are inconsistent and good draft environment seem to be more of accident than fruit of good developers?

They just don't need to fix anything, because the big population that makes them money doesn't care about competitive scene that much or potential the game has that haven't been addressed.

>>53210962
been outta the modern loop since RTR
heard jitte and pods got a ban
what are the meme decks now?

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>>53222007
Also I'm pretty fucking sure about WotC having any kind of data about any format regarding on the game. WotC is so bad program that I doubt it's even possible to pull out format data to form any kind of database on broken cards and even if they could do that, I doubt the B&R team would have any cohesive idea on what to do about it.

There is so many blatant lies I have seen them say that it's not even funny.

>>53222026
Jitte was always banned

>lands

holy shit, why are lands so cancer?

you have basic lands, ok

then garbage lands like evolving wilds, relatively

then the great fetch/shocklands/etc

then the hilariously never reprinted dual lands

like why the fuck is this a thing, why make them mythic/special reprints? I get spells, creatures and gimmicks are better/same and some of the more gamebreaking and powerfully situational cards are really rare or simply powerful and drive up the price, but lands are so ridiculously overpowered that you won't ever win against an equally skilled opponent with a generally weaker deck because he can cast his shit before you, and more reliably.

>>53222078
must be going crazy, regardless I heard pod got banned so what is the fun stuff now.

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This just made my day. He had Mindslaver active by the way.

>>53222181
devoted druid

>>53222181
Collected Company, Traverse the Ulvenwald, and Ancient Stirrings.

BGx is still the top dog, blue is still useless, and tron lands continue powering big creatures.
Dredge lived, died, and is trying to live again. Cycle lands printed in Amonkhet caused Life From the Loam to spike. Devoted Druid hit 7.00 following the reveal of Vizier of Remedies.

The format is okay.

>>53222181
DSJ!

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>>53222229
>>53222216

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How do we fix Blue?

>>53222347
Let islands tap for green or black mana then use them in a deck with green and or black cards

>>53222347
You don't. Not even counterspell can fix blue.

>>53222347
First we print a reason to back off on all the targeted discard.

When Black gives good control (discard and destruction), and Green gives good library manipulation, what's the point of Blue?

>>53222454
>what's the point of Blue?

Annoyance.

>>53222347
blue is okay for a format like modern

Whats a good skred deck list?

>>53222465
Nothing Blue can do is more annoying than 8rack or Lantern.

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>>53222514
How many cards on hand?
:^)

>>53222548
>would love to play 8 rack
>price of lili's and needing a playset

>>53222555
You don't NEED a playset. A friend of mine does just fine with his budget 8Rack. If you count 2-2 or 3-1 fine, I guess. Is Lili better than 4 additional discard spells? Sure. Is Lili absolutely necessary? Not really. You can get by just fine without her.

>>53222621
>$$$$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$$$ MODERN GENERAL
If you aren't going 4-0 consistently it's shit.

>>53222639
>implying anyone in this thread has the brain capacity to see the right lines of play to make it to four and zero.

>>53222501
mine:
4x Arbor Elf
2x Birds of Paradise
3x Huntmaster of the Fells
3x Inferno Titan
1x Glorybringer
1x Acidic Slime
1x Goblin Dark-Dwellers
1x Thragtusk
4x Blood Moon
4x Utopia Sprawl
1x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
4x Stone Rain
4x Mwonvuli Acid-Moss
2x Boom // Bust
3x Heaven // Earth
1x Primal Command
4x Windswept Heath
4x Wooded Foothills
1x Mountain
3x Stomping Ground
9x Forest
sb:
3x Ancient Grudge
2x Anger of the Gods
2x Sarkhan Vol
1x Fracturing Gust
1x Harmonize
3x Obstinate Baloth
1x Relic of Progenitus
2x Thrun, the Last Troll

>>53222639
>budget options for mediocre tiered decks are expressly forbidden
>if it's not my tier 1 baby, then fuck off

8Rack isn't that good to begin with. And this general has been absolute shit since you dumb fucks went back to "$$$$$". There's a reason we dropped it the first time.

>>53222740
This.
The $$$$$$ are like facism. It's good as a mechanic to clear out stagnant ideology and revitalize society, but after that facism itself needs purging because it is also ideology.

The good news is that clearing out the $$$$$$ is no trouble so long as the next OP isn't a tard.

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>>53222347
What is there to fix?

>>53222788
Boring deck

>>53222779
Or we can just ignore $$$$$$$.

8Rack is a shit deck. I'm sure some find joy in playing discard but it can't kill fast enough, even with lilies.

>>53222852
No disagreement. 8Rack is the "I am building Jund and need something to do with my lillies" deck.

>>53222873
>playing 8 rack
>building traditional jund
El oh el

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>>53222852
>can't kill fast
*teleports behind you*

>>53222707
But that's just a shitty GR stompy brew.

>>53222919
:^)

>>53222740
It was shittier before with dumb faggots shitting up the thread as opposed to people complaining about some fucking cash signs in the OP

>>53222898
Can 8Rack kill creatures by the second turn?

>>53222955
>Can 8Rack kill creatures by the second turn?
what's fatal push? what's dismember?

>>53222975
This relies on your opponent having a creature on board T1 or T2.

Bone Pickers is slow.

>>53222946
Newsflash: people STILL shit up the thread, only now it's compounded with more fucktards saying, "your deck is shit" instead of just ignoring kitchen table decks like we used to.

>>53222997
yeah, who's the stupid that play creatures on t1 on t2?!

>>53223014
>ignoring like we used to
Literally never happened, the people who shit up the thread with casual garbage or new magic questions would get flustered when we told them this sin't the right place for their shit. At least we can just say

> MtG $$$$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$$$ MODERN GENERAl
And move on instead of indulging them like past threads.

>>53223038
DSJ/Jund comes to mind as someone who isn't putting many creatures down early. At most it's Bob, and that only recently went away from running two copies.

But, the deeper principle is that you're reliant on your opponent in order for your deck to work. That's never a good thing.

>>53223182
if you play 8rack and you care about slam a creature ASAP while facing a Jund or a DSJ you have probably missed the whole point......

>>53218328
>netdecking
>top tier decks are cancer
>Deaths Shadow is oppressive
Please fucking kill yourself

>>53220227
Strictly better is something like comparing Shock to Lightning Bolt or Lightning Strike to Lightning Bolt

>>53222347
Honestly you dont want blue to be good because deck manipulation like Ponder and Preordain doesnt make control good it makes cancerous no interaction combo decks good

>>53223730
>tfw Wizards needs to reinvent Blue and honestly Red
>tfw it's going to take them five years and they're not even going to do a good job

I just hope for a future with good alternatives to Hearthstone.

>>53223730
Preordain honestly would have been fine before they printed electromancers 5-8

I know we joke about mill, but what is the best possible decklist for competitive mill? I've seen just UB but also White splash for Path to trigger Archive Trap and Souls to buy time. Not sure if any other splashes would work.

>>53224516
>best decklist for competitive mill
There isn't one, just give up mill anon

>>53224548
There's literally no reason to play mill over burn

>>53224577
Decks usually have answers to Burn in the SB, but nothing for mill.

>>53224516
>I know we joke about mill
>joke
No jokes my man. It's awful.

>>53224676
most decks run 42-36 answers to mill in the main

>>53224676
It's because you don't even need to sideboard to beat mill consistently

>>53224676
I have 15 answers to mill in my sideboard

>>53224676
Leyline of Sanctity fucks mill pretty hard, and you aren't even in the right colors to destroy it.

is the only viable mardu deck mardu tokens? Been looking for a variety but it seems like a tier 2-3 deck at best

>>53225598
Mardu isn't very good

Do any lands exist that have an effect that pops when it leaves the field?

>>53225897
Flagstones has a field to yard trigger

>>53225897
god's eye and flagstones of trokair are the only modern ones AFAIK

>>53225969
gods' eye*, the apostrophe placement is important for search engines I suppose.

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>>53225967
>>53225969
>>53225986
yee

Quick question. Why are Burn lists on MtGO running 2-3 Sudden Shocks in the side now? Is it just for killing Storms discount creatures without them being able to respond?

What do you run in a UB deck for threats besides Tasigur and (in a roundabout way) snaps?

>>53226219
pls respond

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>>53222347
Staple Snapcaster effects to more cards.

>>53226258
Forgot to mention Bob, Fulminator, and Kalitas.

>>53226258
Build Grixis instead.

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>>53226279
I really like this image.

>>53226307
Don't get me wrong, I completely realize the utility of bolt and terminate; I'm just curious to see if there's anything usable (much less viable) in just UB that I haven't already thought of.

>>53226345
You're using Blue, why not just counter the shit out of everything rather than destruct.

>>53226258
clique
tar pit

>>53226352
That's what the main goal is, of course. The only worry is that there's no fallback against decks like delver, which is where the necessity for damage comes in; Bob, Tasigur, Snaps, and Kalitas work of course, I just wanted to make sure I didn't forget anything.

>>53226367
I always manage to forget clique is a thing, thanks.

>>53226390
Silumgar himself is nice removal if you have the dragons to back him up.

>>53226345
I just feel like Snapcaster is that much worse without bolts, unless you're playing some form of Death's Shadow. You can try subbing out the bolts for more Fatal Pushes, Dismembers, and Go for the Throats and more counters I guess. Bone Picker seems like garbage to me but it might be fine with heavy removal. I've been testing out Cryptic Serpent in an Izzet deck but it's also vulnerable to Fatal Push and doesn't play well with Snaps and Tasigurs.

>>53226337
>yfw you're literally the only good blue card in modern.

2 Gilt-Leaf Palaces or 4 for GB elves?

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>>53226556
post build

>>53226676
basically this one
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15497&d=294456
+Rec Sage -Spellskite main

>>53226219
What do you mean now, they were the answer to infect and closes out other burn waiting to bolt you out in response.

>>53226337
>>53226279
New snappy is possibly one of few new art for older cards when the art is actually better than the originall imo

>>53229351
>tfw pulled a foil one last time I was at LGS
Felt so good, especially after getting shit from MM for so long.

>>53229393
Lucky, only decent foil I've pulled was Abrupt Decay, but it's worth next to nothing since the foils were given as promos at first print.

Has anyone tested with new Nissa yet? She seems interesting and I was thinking of trying her.

>>53222555
>>53222639
I have 4 Lilis and took 2 out because to be honest you only need her when ensnaring bridge and Raven's crime are in their place. Board whipes work better when not.

>>53221603
>that image
Miracles was holding the entire format hostage, you'd have to be a retard to not see it.

>>53230069
Maybe learn to read, because that image wasn't about being salty over miracles.

>>53226556
4 for sure.

>>53223639
Dsj is oppressive

>>53231392
No more than traditional jund. If you lose to hand rape then you've been oppressed in modern for a long time.

>>53210962
Any resources for THG decks? The community I live in is obsessed with the format, we barely get to play singles now unless it's Standard or Draft.

>>53222423
>implying counterspell wouldn't fix blue

>>53226556
I play 4 buy I will probably drop to 3 when I get around to buying caverns

Should paper magic be played with chess timers?

>>53234220
No. Fuck off with this shit bait

>>53234220
>by turn 3 in magic a chess clock would see as many activations as it might have seen in an entire chess game

>>53231614
It wouldn't, efficient card selection however would.

>>53234220
There's way too many passes of priority to make this at all logistical.

fuck

>>53234220
Not possible to implement IRL. It's nice it's a thing on MTGO though.

>>53231324
>>53231674
Yeah, I was going to run 2 Blooming Marshes, but I don't ever see a point to running Blooming Marsh over Gilt-Leaf Palace.

Both come out untapped turns 1, 2 and 3 and Gilt-Leaf also can come out untapped any other time if you have the right hand whereas Marsh will be too slow any other time.

Maybe its to protect against some jank shit like Crumble to Dust?

Is anyone else sad that Burn players have finally gotten off the Nacatl train? I never got on in the first place and I kinda miss easily winning the mirror match.

>>53236685
I've been saying since the unban that Nacatl is shit and now people are finally waking up. Fuck, how can so many Burn players just be so bad at this fucking game.

>>53236972
Because there's a bunch of them. A person is smart, but any time you get a large enough group, 50% of them are dumb. But it's really the same for any group. For every dumb Burn player, there's an equally dumb Tron/Affinity/[insert deck here] player.

And with Nacatl+ ACommand, the creature beat down plan works well enough. It's just not good enough anymore.

>>53236560
I also have 2 blooming marshes but that's because I had spares laying around. My mana base is some jank shit I pulled out of my binder on the fly. 4 palace 2 marsh 1 overgrown tomb 1 verdant catacomb. I figured with 8 black sources I had good odds of seeing one each game. Looking to cut a forest and a palace with 2 caverns and call it a day since I'm not going to shell out for canopies until they get reprinted, so no white splash for this goy.

>>53236972
>>53237045
Do people even play green in burn anymore? Every recent list I see is totally boros with a single stomping ground for revelry in the SB, and maybe 2 a-command as extra skullcracks

>>53237478
That's literally all the green is for: A-commands and revelries

Otherwise, it's purely boros

>>53237287
If you had every card you wanted, what kind of mana base would you run? I'm new to the deck and had some extra money lying around from selling some cards so I was going to shell out for the mana base

>>53237490
I remember seeing a lot of nacatl lists that seemed heavier on green in the main a year or two ago and now everyone quit, I think boros + revelry is probably stronger anyway tho

>>53237526
3 cavern
3 palace
2 blooming marsh
1 overgrown tomb
1 temple garden
3 green fetch
3 canopy
3 forest

You can run white chord targets like selfless spirit, and reasonably cast them if you end up drawing them. Also lets you jam RIP if graveyard shitters are loitering at your LGS and scooze doesn't seem to be enough.

>>53213483
If you've let the game stall out long enough for them to get 3 chalices out youre pretty shit at magic.

>>53238073
Chill bro. You've never just had a bad game where they drop chalice on 2 to turn off artifact destruction, then on one next turn?

>>53237045
I had some guy tell me he was running Burn when it was stuffed with Kird Apes and Nacatls. I trashed his deck and he was salty the entire night, went back to Eldrazi next week.

>>53238409
Do NOT bully Zoo.

>>53238193
Make that's not possible chalice on 2 counters chalice on 1

>>53238750
.... What? He wasn't saying "Chalice for 2 on turn 2" he was just saying it happens.

>>53238796
That's not what I said mate you can't cast chalice on 1 if there is a chalice on 2 in play

>>53238891
Correction you can cast it but it will be countered

>>53238463
Zoo is fine. Playing Zoo and calling it Burn and refusing to budge on how wrong you are... Now that is NOT fine.

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>>53238891
Son of a BITCH

>tfw you're a scrub in paper
>tfw no automated rules engine to hold your hand

Is 3 damage to the face basically a card worth of damage? Is 3 damage from a permanent or whatever basically a 1 for 0?

>>53240901
Yes, and yes?
1 mana = 3 damage = 1 card has been the standard (as far as fair decks are concerned) so, I guess if a creature can me roughly equal to that, you can consider it 1:1. However, creatures usually follow 1 mana = 2 power (as far as Modern playable creatures are concerned) if Goblin Guide is anything to go off of. Tarmogoyf follows a similar pattern with 2 mana = 4 power (or more). So, uh, if a creature can hit multiple times, you can consider it advantageous as far as resources is concerned? I dunno what you're really asking, to be honest.

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Ban pls wizards

>>53241217
Why?

>>53241217
>*reprint pls wizards

ftfy

>>53226473
W-w-w-what about D-d-delver?

How do you guys feel about Thraben Inspector in Death and Taxes?

>>53229351
>Nicol Bolas

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>>53240675
>tfw scrub online and ace with paper
>tfw no friends

>>53241454
Thraben Inspector and Loyal Sentry with Flickerwisp are spicy. Run two Isamaru, Hound of Konda too for that early aggro beat down.

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>card you love
>card you're ambivalent about
>mediocre card is SLIGHTLY better than card you love
I don't know what I want to fucking do, bros. I like the aggro deer but turn 1 ramp plays are essential to my deck which I can't do with deer.

>>53241454
I don't like it and I want Mother of Runes in Modern.

>>53241454
Fine in aggro human synergy lists. Not good in slower hatier lists.

It's nice to draw a card later on, but it's not better than just drawing a better card instead on it's own.

>>53241591
search your feelings, you know the answer within you already
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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>>53241496

>when the only friends you have that play magic only play $5 kitchen table decks
>when they refuse to step up their game and secretly hate playing against you

I mean for fucks sake, they all looked visibly angry when I gave one of my creatures hexproof to remove a pacifism one of them played on it. All they know is creatures with lifelink

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>>53241632
FUCKING THIS
I've been working tirelessly on my deck constantly trying to improve it, but as soon as my friend gets a build he calls it a day and THEN has the gall to get annoyed when he keeps losing. FUCKING WORK ON YOUR DECK DUDE. FUCKING EVOLVE.

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>>53241624
I always drop the big bucks. I play fucking Modern. Just dropped close to $100 on some Wooded Foothills.

>>53241591
>slightly

>>53241632
For fucks sakes turn 5 zombify a fucking inkwell leviathan isn't THAT GOD DAMN BUSTED KYLE STOP PLAYING DOOM BLADE TRIBAL TO CHEESE WINS AGAINST NEW PLAYERS AND YOU MIGHT FIGURE OUT SOME COUNTERRPLAY FUCK

>>53241632
I know that feel. I found out a few of my coworkers played and was excited when they asked me to play. So I bring a handful of decks, Pauper UB Delver, Modern Burn, kitchen table tier Affinity, a couple of Commander decks. My custom playmat that I love to show off.

The first thing they said to me when we sat down was, "Not to scare you or anything, but D's Goblin deck is pretty wicked. He can win super fast, like turn 7, and it's totally the deck to beat."

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>>53241624
They're both cheap.

>>53241720
I'd say they are both equally good depending on what you need them for. I guess I answered my own question in my post
>turn 1 ramp plays are essential to my deck which I can't do with deer
but the deer is so much radder...

>>53241730
That hurt to read. Better just not talk to him again.

>>53241730
>then you look like a tryhard for winning every time and no one likes you anymore

>>53241732
>>53241705
Point is only one is truly competitive

4 Arid Mesa
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Inspiring Vantage
6 Mountain
6 Plains

4 Lava Spike
4 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt

4 Ghost-Lit Redeemer
4 Ghost-Lit Raider
4 Kami of Fire's Roar
4 Skyfire Kirin
4 Ryusei, the Falling Star
4 Yosei, the Morning Star

What's the strongest Modern deck so I can playtest mine against?

>>53241802
It's really debatable right now. I think the consensus is Death's Shadow Jund but a lot of decks either give it a run for its money or attack on a completely different axis.

/tg/. Today I beat a man in modern while high on weed. He himself, was not high on weed (as far as I could tell.)

Ask me whatever.

>>53241835
So sounds like Modern is a good format? It seemed that way to me when I started playing like 3 months ago.

>>53241836
>Ask me whatever.
why are you posting

>>53241836
Please die. No one cares about your drug habit fag.

>>53241802
just goldfish like you're on the draw throw away your best card every turn for 2-3 turns then around turn 4 put 1-2 of your lands into exile and then turn 5 take 16 damage

>>53241785
deck name?

>>53241748
>>53241774
At least they've gotten better. They still don't pack enough removal, but their understanding of the rules has vastly improved. Next week, I'm bringing a wierd janky deck to teach them about layers.

>>53241802
You need to Playtest against several decks. Burn (because it's the definition of a fair deck and sets the speed standard for the format), Affinity (it's the deck to beat right now), Jund ( a classic staple), Storm (you need to have a decent chance against combo decks), and Tron (because Tron) at the very least.

>>53241785
Any advice on this list guys?

>>53241730
>bring my casual decks to a casual meet up
>like one of them is literally a singleton deck. It's a naya pile I made out of the ajani vs bolas duel deck explicitly for playing newbies
>the difference in power level is fucking archenemy tier
>smash cunts with my BUSTED ass captured sunlight into recumbent bliss combo
>BW warriors and BFZ block landfall.dek never stood a chance
>sit back and chat while watching others play because that's literally the weakest deck I've got
Maybe I should just buy a fat pack and make a sealed deck, that seems to be the style for these guys

>>53241877
R/W Kami

>>53241857
>>53241864

Ok then let's talk about Magic. Do you think Abzan has currently eclipsed Jund as the go to rock strategy in terms of the current meta?

>>53241680
>>53241722
>>53241730

They don't even like to play 1v1s. They prefer THG or just free for alls so they can focus me down and then slam creatures and turtle for 30 minutes by themselves. They all seem to have a fear of attacking until turn 40 and when I build a deck to get around their massive walls of timmy creatures they just hate me for it.

It's fine though, the matches I've played against random people on xmage with competitive decks are much more fulfilling and satisfying than any match I've played with them before.

>>53241836

Is this supposed to be an accomplishment? I rarely play if I'm not stoned because of anxiety and I perform well enough. I do feel sorry though for the opponents that had to face me when I was first learning miracles.

>>53241900
Yes because Lingering Souls is very good right now and Path is better then Bolt as a removal spell. Also you get Noble Hierarch ans turn 2 Lilianas and turn 3 Rhinos feel really good.

>>53241900
dude weed lmao

>>53241900
Are we talking about non-shadow decks? Because I would say yes since lightning bolt isn't actually very good in the meta right now, so the path deck seems to be the better option currently

>>53241785
>MtG $$$$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$$$ MODERN GENERAL

>>53241917
But doesn't Jund have decent tech against both Abzan and their souls? Bonfire, Thundermaw, things like that? Plus Confidant just seems way better than Grim Flayer in the matchup

>>53241922
k, back on topic yeah? XD

>>53241923
Yeah, staple Rock. Apparently Mono-Black rock has been making a comeback as well. Feels nice to drop Obliterator against Shadow

>>53241951
Thundermaw is good tech but Souls is powerful because its good against Affinity, DSJ, and random other decks

>>53241936
This is competitive, Ryusei and Yosei dont die to Fatal Push, and if they do die somehow I get a sweet effect. Also Skyfire Kirin steals creatures.

>>53241951
Good Abzan lists don't run flayer senpai unless you're running that garbage low to the ground abzan with confidants

>>53242058
Good may not correspond to popular unless the metas on goldfish, top8, ect. are wrong. I'm looking to beat the most popular things not the best

>>53242012
True, is it a case then of Abzan being more viable or Jund not being viable at all?

>>53241951

Not him, but since we're talking about midrange GBx instead of DS I would say Abzan just has better answers and access to more relevant cards. While Jund CAN have better game against small/niche metas, Abzan fares better when going into an unknown or diverse meta. It has access to the best sideboard cards in modern, along with maindeck answers to threats that lightning bolt is worthless against (DS, Goyf in 90% of cases, Wurmcoils, etc.) You could argue that bolt is good against Affinity, but why bolt creatures when you can just Stony Silence games two and three.

With that being said, I would just give in and join the dark side by playing DSJ. It does pretty much the same thing but at twice the speed and efficiency. It's also pretty fun

>>53242102
So then would you think Ajundi could be a thing again? Run an Abzan list with red for Bolt, Anger, Kolaghan's, and Terminate?

>>53242077
>I'm looking to beat the most popular things not the best
Well then, you don't need to worry since Abzan lists that run Flayer aren't very good in the current meta and should be easily beat provided you aren't running some jank brew.

>>53242124

You could try, but it still is abysmal in matches where it's already pretty bad. Unless you have a small creature-heavy meta or everybody is playing elves/coco memes, I just don't see a reason to run such a shaky manabase like that for red cards.
Red just isn't good in general right now unless it's in lightning bolt tribal or storm.

>>53241437
Based as fuck. Just not in Modern


>T. Player whose first deck was Delver

But I'll be back on the Delver train if they ever ban DS which it looks like they won't.

>Crypt Incursion against CoCo decks
Yes, keep calling mill bad...

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>>53242039
>this is competitive
Here's a (you) for making me laugh lad

Come back when you have an actual deck. You have a good portion of burn with those cards, why not build that?

>>53242330
I, uh... What? How is crypt incursion good against CoCo?

>>53242039
I just playtested against your deck a couple times and it's pretty meh. My deck sucks and it won best of 3 and the win was a close match. Kirin seems good, but it's situational as fuck. I'd honestly probably sideboard him. Put in a couple of field wipes as well, like Fumigate to pop your dragons effects or something.

>>53242414
CoCo decks have to run ~28 creatures for consistency and crypt incursion gives life based on how many creatures he's milled, which is likely a decent amount.

Still doesn't make mill good against anything though lmao

>>53242476
No. Just, no.

>>53242476
You can't, now fuck off

>>53241802
The gauntlet is something like Tron, Death's Shadow, Storm, Affinity, Burn and Eldrazi & Taxes.

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>>53242532
I know, that's why I'm asking.

>>53242553
Shit nigger if you insist.

>>53242566
This general is ONLY for decks other people have placed at tournaments with.

>>53242593
Are you saying that ironically?

>>53242615
I'm not sure.

>>53242593
Well, that's not entirely true. I could brew up a jeskai midrange deck full of competitive cards and post it here, expecting feedback. What is not tolerated is obviously kitchen table garbage thrown into a pile with PtE.

>>53242400
Burn? What cards does that run?

>>53242682
>Your mom
>2 CMC
>Creature - 0/2
>When this card enters the battlefield, she sucks off your highschool bully, doesn't say she loves you, then kills herself.

>>53242682
I'm the off chance you're not joking, instead of reminding you that you are two clicks away from Google, I'm going to spoonfeed you.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-burn-34574#paper

>>53242707
Come on, man, we don't have to be mean. If everyone tried to be a little more civil, /modern/ could be a little less shit.

>>53242707
Geez why are people so hostile? All I asked was what cards the deck he suggested ran. Jesus.

>>53242741
>>53242748
>mean
It's called banter he set himself up for that I almost thought it was intentional.

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>>53242741
Oh I already have 3 of that deck

>>53242748
>why are you being hostile when I'm asking a retarded question in a thread about competitive modern discussion
Gee Bill I dunno

>>53242774
Yosei is a bomb

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>>53242785
so is your mom

>>53242790
I chuckled. Your moms the Evening Star tho.

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>>53242785
I'm sure your 6 mana do nothing creature works wonders in your 18 land deck while you destroy all of your opponents with overcosted kami garbage

kys

>>53242758
It's not "banter". It's aggressive, mean-spirited comments meant to put down people and push them out of your little boys club. You can lie to yourself all you want, but it's "banter" like that that makes people think the community is filled with terrible, awful people.

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>>53242827
Holy shit, as long as it's not filled with retards like you it's better off.

>>53242827
Damn you're a faggot.

>>53242837
>>53242844
Go ahead and keep going, asshats. You're only proving my point.

>>53242827
Go get a safe space you fucking pussy

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>>53242856
Everyone was laughing and enjoying themselves and MTG besides you. Fuck off, you're everything that's wrong with the world. Kill yourself.

>>53242856
Just because you're a cuck who wants to get punched in the stomach doesn't mean I'm not a sadist who enjoys bunching you in the stomach and calling you a little bitch.

We can help each other, but you need to stop being a cuck and accept that I'm doing this to help you.

>>53242820
Its 24 lands lol and kami are cool animefag

>>53242895
>Just because you're a cuck
99-1 it's a chick, which is even wore imo


>stop being a cuck and accept that I'm doing this to help you
listen to this man

>>53242876
I can say the same thing to you. I'm telling the truth and you're insulting me for it.

>>53242888
I don't think anyone enjoys themselves in this shithole.

>>53242895
You're not helping anyone. You're part of the problem by continuously insulting people for no reason. I'm the hero you need. You're the hero you deserve.

Why is this the only mtg thread that's pure shit?

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>>53242923
>I don't think anyone enjoys themselves in this shithole.
Re-read this: >>53242888
and stop posting

>>53242929
everyone else comes to shitpost here

Legacy is dead, pauper has nothing to discuss, standard is clueless, and EDH just shitbrews 24/7 and has no idea how magic actually works.

>>53242938
No-one was actually laughing and enjoying themselves. All people do is autistically ree about people not playing exactly what they expect.

>>53242896
Doesn't make them competitive though and this is a thread for competitive modern and last time I checked Kami were and never will be competitive now fuck off retard this thread isn't for you

What ever happened to Harsh Mentor? I don't even see it in sideboards. Even Pithing Needle manages that sometimes.

>>53242951
Re-read this: >>53242938

>>53242976
It was more of a legacy card desu and it was way overhyped.

>>53242956
Kataki, Wars Wage is a competitive kami

>>53242989
re-read this >>53242956

>>53243025
I meant as a deck but considering that's not a card he included you're only proving my point

>>53229450
Interesting in what? That's the problem

is 6000 a lot of mtg cards?

>>53243234
It's not really the amount that matters, it's whether or not they're worth playing.

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>>53243234
That's what, 11 booster boxes of cards?

It's a decent amount, yeah, but even without going too crazy like pic, I know people who buy a box every set to draft with. So in three (?) years they would have 6k cards plus whatever they got from prize pools/misc sources.

The important question is why you're asking?

>>53243283
i just opened my old mtgo account after not playing for years and noticed i have like 6000 cards and was like damn that seems like a lot, where did all these come from desu

How is affinity doing nowadays?

Tons of people are playing it but I see it get beasted on by anti-creature strats

>>53243430
The deck loses to itself. The deck needs some string of good luck to go 10-2 or better in long tournaments.

How ass is this? pls no bully

>Creature (27)
4x Elvish Mystic
4x Llanowar Elves
2x Rhys the Redeemed
4x Wolf-Skull Shaman
3x Elvish Harbinger
4x Wood Elves
4x Master of the Wild Hunt
2x Wren's Run Packmaster

>Sorcery (6)
4x Harmonize
2x Howl of the Night Pack

>Instant (3)
3x Collected Company

>Artifact (4)
4x Lightning Greaves

>Land (20)
20x Forest

>>53243473
Why is it so popular? Easy/linear to both build and pilot?

I know T1 is based on meta share and not on raw 'power' like a fighting game (or else shit like Esper Control would be tiered to begin with) but this deck doesn't feel like it should be T1

>>53243495
It is easy to pilot.

THIS DECK PUT AN 11 YEAR PILOT INTO A TOP8 OF A GP. (NUFF SAID)

>>53243495
Easy to play and has a decent skill cap so it rewards practice

>>53242330
>when you're playing 8whack and the mull player is on 1 health and crypt incursions for 45 heath

>>53243526
He's been piloting it for 11 years? Wow. Not surprised he made top 8.

>>53235883
Playing storm, there are some turns where I just F6 and other turns that take 5 minutes. Its better than in paper, wheresome fuckface tanks for most of the time to try to get a draw.

Alsom Storm Players should be playing more swan song

Why is infect so fun?

How do you play against burn?

>>53243478
Its just alright, playable but most of your wins will come from lucky CoCos

>>53243673
An actual 11 year old boy. 11 years was his age.

>>53243780
I know and it's pissing me off. The deck would be better running pure elves if that doesn't go without saying, but using elves to summon wolf tokens I think is probably the best way to use wolves that aren't werewolves, but that being said just discourages me from the deck all together.

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Which is better, lads?

>>53243829
Thats the thing, brews rarely if ever are better then an established deck. I try brewing often but never actually build them because I realize its a waste of time. I want to build a RGW Knights deck but itd just be worse Burn. I also try brewing block constructed decks which is fun.

>>53243869
instant speed obv

>>53243869
>>53243896
Cultivate provides more CA even though they both ramp the same.

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>>53243896
Fuck that. I think what it comes down to is having to sac a land.

With Cultivate, you get to keep all your land, but only 1 land hits the field and it's tapped, while the other lingers in your hand. But Harrow, two lands hit the field and neither are tapped, but you gotta sac a land.

Which is faster? I think that Harrow is immediately faster but Cultivate will pay off in the long run I guess? Cultivate is great if you didn't play a land yet this turn so you can just dump both pulls right onto the field.

I can't fucking decide.

>>53243869
Cultivate is basically infinitely better.

>>53243924
From experience playing ramp decks harrow is the overall better card.

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>>53243936
>>53243939

>>53243936
explain

>>53243939
explain

>>53243924
You can cast Cultivate into blue mana or Aether Vials and the worst that can happen is you don't new lands.

If you're going real deep on landfall you could make an argument for Harrow I guess.

How are Goblins right now? Thinking of picking up 8Whack

>>53243956
>tapping for mana before saccing

What did he mean by this?

>>53241217
Why would they ban it? What does this card do, other than enable certain decks to compete in certain matchups in game 2/3?

>>53243995
>other than enable certain decks to compete in certain matchups in game 2/3?
But Eldrazi Tron and Boros Prison run it in the maindeck, anon

>>53241732
You know what you have to do anon. Mono-G manadorks, rock the meta, play a set of both plus birds.

>>53243991
that depends which card you are advocating, genius
I'm assuming Harrow?

>>53244026
>Tron boogieman and some meme deck

Oh no ban it now WotC!

>>53244044
>both plus birds
There's more than just Paradise?

Either way, time to build a manadork zoo.

>>53243988
8whack is strong because of how explosive it can be in a meta of tron and deaths shadow.

I play it and I've been doing pretty decent against tier 1 and 2 decks. Last 4 moderns I've gone 3-1, 3-1, 2-2, 3-1. The problem is consistency.

>>53244058
I worded that poorly. I mean both the elk and the elf, plus the birds of paradise.

And don't forget Werebear, for those late game 4 damage swings.

>>53244076
Dude I was considering Werebear over Elvish Mystic because I'm also the one wondering about Cultivate/Harrow, but Harrow would combo great with Werebear by dumping land into the grave, plus Werebear is way cooler.

>>53244086
Werebear isn't modern legal ya goof

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>>53244099
FUCK.

Fucking don't even bring up Deathrite Shaman, who would have been absolutely perfect.

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Anyone want to play some games on xmage? I'm down to play against any tier 1/2 decks. I'll be playing an unfun deck

>>53244109
Mana dork zoo isn't going to work

Just play the Arbor Elf/Utopia Sprawl jank pile that I see BRs play on Xmage all the time

>>53244099
Odyssey Remastered when???

I want to cast some Mystic Enforcers.

>>53244120
Sure

The server is going to reset in about 50 minutes though

>>53244128
>Arbor Elf/Utopia Sprawl
I was toying with either this or Elvish Mystic/Harrow. I found the latter to be better as it thinned out the deck and I wouldn't be crippled by Enchantment removal.

>>53244136

I cap my matches at 30 mins. I'm on the german server just look for "/tg/". Password is the same.

>>53243478
Pretty bad.

But I also think the same thing from anyone that wants to run lightning greaves in non-EDH formats.

Why are greaves such noob bait?

>>53243478
Why run Rhys? Why not just run your average elves shell with Ezuri as your wincon? You're just shooting yourself in the foot by making it worse

>>53243760
By playing a deck that doesn't lose to spot removal