Pathfinder General /pfg/

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Tell me about the time you were someone's tutor! Did your character have a tutor, and did they mean a lot to them?

For the anons who suggested I write something about a not!French dignitary in a not!Japanese country, I have pastebin notes for you

https://pastebin.com/vvcrDMSU

I'm gonna crash, probably gonna write that actual story tomorrow, it might turn out well

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Hmm.

>>53209124
You're a meme.

>>53209141
A stupidly enormous meme

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>>53209124

I'm really feelin' it.

I want to play a /pfg/ game as a young magic-scarred guardsman. Any games for me?

>>53209063
LG/CE Darklantern Vigilante.

>>53209202
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77293/ironfang-invasion-aventure-path

>>53209202

Not unless he has a huge donger from it.

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Is the Immolator Inquisitor archetype any good?

>>53209124

Akane Ketsueki is an awful character and doesn't fit Serpent's Skull in either tone or theme.

>>53209220
Only if I can donger people into justice.

>>53209124

*meow* *rolls around* *gaia tier RP posts*

>>53209267
Ooooo you're one of the invisible anons! Hi! Tell me about yourself!

>>53209219
BitF bamboozle mk. 2?

>>53209228
Explain actually, I'm genuinely curious and would love to hear why you think so. I'm always looking to improve.

>>53209304
Well it's not a regular /pfg/ name so we don't have any insurance, but this one looks like a real account at least.

>>53209228
Rate all the characters, right here, right now.

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Hehe, anons are so cowardly! Just posting baseless things and going back to their hidey holes.

>>53209399
What the fuck does this have to do with Pathfinder?

>>53209415
Since when does /pfg/ talk about Pathfinder and not whine about certain people doing certain things?

>>53209399
I warned you guys about women.

>>53209324

Frankly? She feels like a lame excuse to get some fat anime tits into a game about Heart of Darkness, what sort of invented organization is the Scales of Mourning and how are they semi-mortal badasses that Akane could join if she... What, finds a ruin? What I'm saying here is the backstory don't make sense, it hardly fits the lore and her personality comes across as that of a pouty child, which works for some characters but I don't think it will be fun for something like this.

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>>53209438
At least his legs are okay

>>53209438
I just want to know what transformations Gloriana and Sigmund would have gotten.

I mean, it's fairly obvious Vult is custom-designing these encounters for the players, what would he give them?

>>53209456
>Fat anime tits
They aren't even that big compared to other characters.
>Invented Organization
It's a Martial Tradition my dude.

>>53209438
What the fuck does this have to do with Pathfinder, as well?

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>>53209438
Delete this faggot, updated version.

>>53209438
>Aerial bones

Don't bird bones have a honeycomb-esque structure so that despite their lower weight, they're actually not too much weaker?

>>53209486
>literally a set of pathfinder house rules
This is the most Pathfinder thing that has come from PLD yet

>>53209484
They're still big, and using Martial Tradition organizations is LAME. It's like throwing a Keyblade into the game because hey, a 3pp has it!

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I'm looking to play a Halfling Cleric of Thuskchoon.

I'm looking to get stoned out of my fucking mind off of drugs, alcohol, hookah, and straightup poison in order to get bonuses from consuming as much toxins as possible, just like might Thuskchoon.

How would I go about doing this?

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>>53209508
Clearly all female characters have to be flat, only from the most extreme of fantasy artists with ridiculously practical armor in a game that's advertised as not being serious. Martial Traditions were also okayed by the GM so...what?

>>53209501
Fairly certain that structure doesn't scale well. Or if it's supposed to, then Zyke's just shit at engineering.

>>53209478
Gloriana and Lysander got fucked by the same woman, so Gloriana probably would've gotten the same things, except probably not the knot.

>>53209553
She wasn't a corrupt beast when she fucked Gloriana.

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>>53209225

>>53209573
I thought only corrupt creatures gave transformations in the first place? If she wasn't corrupt, then she wouldn't give transformations at all.

>>53209586
Her transformation occurred after Gloriana and before Lysander!

>>53209553
We talked it out with Vult a while.
When you're corrupted, you're given all the slots without knowing what they do, and you have to choose five.
It's a gamble.
However, slots overwrite, so if you get a disadvantage then you can pick it again next time to 're-roll' it.

Also, there will be ways to transfer mutations between party members so in a weird way it's sort of like dividing up random loot to whoever gets the best use of it.
whether transfers have to always be lewd is yet to be revealed

>>53209586
Dina turned out to be the tome user, she's Arc Boss

>>53209399
>supposed female
>huge degenerate
>casual rp like a furry

Women were a mistake.

>>53209611
>>53209488
Alright pfg, separate off the XXX entries and the rape connotation

Would you touch this system with a 10 foot pole to replace Magical Item of +X Math Fixing?

>>53209692

I like the idea of gambling for the slots, I'm glad I didn't apply since I don't want to play in a misery simulator. But PLD seems to be delivering the promised idea to the players, Vult even if he is a whiner seems dedicated to his fetish game

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>>53209488
>>53209611

Some of these bonuses are far more powerful than others. +2 Strength for carrying capacity is trivial, especially when it denies feet slot items. Anything that grants an ability score bonus, meanwhile, is golden.

It seems like a much more sensible way to handle a corruption mechanic is for the player to plan out in advance what the mechanical bonuses and penalties of their mutations will be, write down a wish list and a no-go list of corruption flavors (e.g. "I would like my character to have mostly furry mammalian augmentations, and nothing insectile"), and leave the precise flavor of the mutations to the GM. The GM would also be free to determine the order in which the corruptions are acquired.

>>53209723
I think part of the intention is that you don't get exactly what you want mechanically and you have to reroll and trade until you do.

>>53209692
Once again, seems like something that favors casters.

Martials can get fucked over my mutations that ruin ability to use certain gear, while most casters can just keep on casting. Typical /pfg/ horseshit.

>>53209709
I'm kind of glad I didn't get in, in hindsight. I'm not a sub at all so I wouldn't have enjoyed the game.

>>53209739
>applied to monster rape game
>not a sub at all
Exhack?

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>>53209692
Pathfinder's math is fucked but if you know what you're doing it does work with the rest of the fucked systems. This is worse than the default no matter how you slice it, but a DM is going to make adjustments no matter what you're using.

It's okay in the sense that it's not complete trash and it probably works for the game. I would never want to play with it though, and I don't think there's a way to make the concept "good".

>>53209739
I mean you can just include mutations that fuck with castery stuff like inability to speak properly or make decent hand gestures.

>>53209723
Anon, some transformations being better than others is precisely the point.

>>53209739
Funny you saw it that way.
My first thought on seeing this chart was
>Transfer Gore and Bite to Gloriana
>Level 4 character full attacks with a smiting sword/fang/gore triple combo

Meanwhile Cashmere might not be disadvantaged heavily but she has nothing that helps her with her main job.

>>53209739
>I'm not a sub at all so I wouldn't have enjoyed the game.

I'm in the game right now and sometimes I wish I could pin her down and bite until I taste her hot blood gushing out while I tenderly, lovingly massage her nethers.

>>53209784
I went in the exact same direction. If I were a player I know for a fact that I'd be fishing to break the system.

>>53209758
When you say "worse" do you mean the original is more functional? or more powerful?

>>53209784
>>53209803
Hmm, I wanted horns and some nice sharp teeth for her anyway.
It's perfect!

>>53209803
That's probably why you're not a player.

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>>53209735
>>53209779

Leaving each character's wealth-by-level progression to random rolls of the dice is a horrendous idea, in the same way that having a character's feats be determined randomly is bad.

Even loot tables allow the party to freely mix and match equipment, sell off what they do not need, purchase gear, and so on.

>>53209832
Functional. CRs and entries are balanced around certain assumptions about gear, I don't know the in-depths of this homebrew but from what's visible of it, it seems likely that things would fall apart going forward either for bonuses not being enough in the right directions or for things like extra WPL or pushed mutations bending the game over backwards.

I don't really blame the homebrew so much as I blame Pathfinder, gear and equivalents are the wonkiest thing to work out in the system.

>>53209879
>>53209723
2hu bringing in the truth to a shithead-GM, amen brother.

>>53209879
>Even loot tables allow the party to freely mix and match equipment, sell off what they do not need, purchase gear, and so on.

But... that's also what this system does.
The fact the party can transfer mutations between themselves is what makes it functional.

>>53209879
You say "random rolls of the dice", but don't forget. They're not random. The DM is writing these as they happen. The majority of them are going to be good for the player. They're only level 3 right now, of course they're not going to get powerful class upgrades yet.

>>53209879
How do I get spider legs?

If your character was shaped mainly by one parent, what was the other one like?

Were they a house-husband where your mother was the bread-winner? A sorceress where your father was a warrior? If they weren't around, why?

And if they weren't around, how would your character have changed if they'd been a presence in their life?

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>>53209905
>>53209907

From what I understand, the trades are highly limited.

To expound on this, if the mutations are supposed to replace wealth-by-level, then it might be interesting for them to *actually* be reflavored loot tables.

Characters would be able to freely mix and max mutations with one another, "sell" mutations they do not need, "purchase" new mutations, and so on.

A belt of incredible dexterity +2 could be a nekomimi mutation, associated with the belt chakra. Characters could freely pass it around themselves as needed. They could sell it off for 2,000 "corruption points" if necessary, or they could purchase a new one for 4,000 "corruption points."

>>53209940
He doesn't know who his parents were...nor does he really care.

>>53209943
How the hell do you "pass" around a physical mutation?

>>53209940
He'd probably be a lot more stoic if he had a strong male father figure in his life.

>>53209943
This does bring up a different issue though, if the system is too close to standard wealth then there wasn't much point to it in the first place.

I really don't think the concepts here can be worked out well. If it's functional for the game then whatever, all power to them, but it seems to me that some evolving template beside an adjusted WPL would've worked better.

>>53209943
Speaking as a player, I joined the game because it sounded kind of fun to have random mutations, and I assumed the DM to make them work without kneecapping the character. After playing for a while, I'm pretty comfortable with the fact that Vult will adjust anything that makes our characters not function or is otherwise just not fun. The thing to remember is that this is not a finalized system, it's an in-progress homebrew by a DM who's more used to 5e, where everything already requires constant GM attention anyway.

>>53209964
The same way you got it. It's an artifact of corruption. You can rid yourself of corruption by passing it on to someone else in an act of passion.

>>53209940
Father was dead. Or at least, that's what Mother always said.

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>>53209964

In whatever way the GM deems appropriate for the campaign.

>>53209985

It would certainly be viable to have mutations be something similar to mythic tiers, yes. That would take a fair deal of homebrewing work.

>>53209940
If he'd had his *real* father around?
He might actually have turned out a worse person, because he'd have had a lot more of a rosy perspective on the way things are. Practically Jon Snow-esque in his beliefs.

Knowing that his father was scum who left mom in the lurch when he saw their child hasn't helped, of course, but it left him more open to question authority.

>>53209943
>it's an in-progress homebrew by a DM who's more used to 5e
>who's more used to 5e
Well that explains a lot.

If I am an Unchained Monk with two claw attacks, how does my Flurry of Blows look?

>>53209063
I REALLY want to play a Living Legend, but I've no clue where I could make one or what I would do with it.

>>53210049
How will questioning authority feel when he's the authority to question?

>>53209063
I want to play a Wizard who's personable but in over his head and a hopeless geek for historical details. But I can't get away from my need to optimize enough to not immediately disqualify myself from any game that's recruiting.

>>53210143
Normal flurry for a monk of your level, plus two claw attacks.
You can't make claw attacks as part of the flurry attacks, only unarmed strikes and monk weapon attacks.

>>53210165
Like he needs someone to rein him in. At the very least, a professional fool to keep his ego from getting too big.

>>53210172
Claws count as unarmed strikes.

“Armed” Unarmed Attacks: Sometimes a character’s or creature’s unarmed attack counts as an armed attack. A monk, a character with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, a spellcaster delivering a touch attack spell, and a creature with natural physical weapons all count as being armed (see natural attacks).

>>53210143

>At 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action.

>When using this ability, the monk can make these attacks with any combination of his unarmed strikes and weapons that have the monk special weapon quality.

A flurry is its own attack action, you cannot gain stack flurry and naturals. Paizo devs have ruled on it too if you're a PFS guy.

It works with Feral Combat Training if you want to flurry with one particularly strong natural though

>>53210182
Natural weapons do not count as unarmed strikes

>>53210182
The text you cited does not support your position. It states that natural weapons are weapons, not that natural weapons are unarmed strikes.

>>53210182
No, natural weapons are not unarmed strikes, thats why feral training for flurrying with them is a thing

>>53210173
Then find someone to hold the reins.

>>53210143
>>53210182

If your DM is letting you stack naturals and flurry attacks you should run very far away from that game

>>53210143
Like an ordinary flurry of blows with no additional attacks from your claws.

>He takes no penalty for using multiple weapons when making a flurry of blows, but he does not gain any additional attacks beyond what’s already granted by the flurry for doing so.
>but he does not gain any additional attacks beyond what’s already granted by the flurry for doing so

If you have Feral Combat Training you can use the claws as part of the flurry. You can even use the same claw repeatedly in that flurry for all attacks in the flurry. But you do not get secondary natural attacks as part of a flurry blows. Not in house, not with a mouse, not in a box, not with a fox. No.

>>53210220
You asking for a ride? Better make sure you don't get bucked off.

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> Beep-boop, bitches.

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljt9?Meet-the-Iconics-Iseph

>>53210305
Oh look, they've rolled out another opinionated alt chick.

>>53210305
>agender shoved in there for no reason
Stopped reading there. Fuck off Paizo, nobody wants this forced shit.

>>53210319
>>53210312
question why do any of us care about Paizo's iconics

>>53210319
>>53210312
You're a robot, you can't get the dick or start dicking with any meaning, anyway.

>>53210333
Because they're a measuring stick for where the company's at, in terms of art direction and creative merit.

Do lesser metamagic rods count the original level of the spell or the adjusted level when combined with metamagic feats?

>>53210342
ok so
>Originals are shit
>starfinder ones are also shit

Huge surprise.

>>53210349
adjusted

>>53210351
There are many *moods* of shit, anon.
Consider this timeline:
>Valeros is a good-aligned human fighter who's kind of a dick but he's got a heart of gold
>Alain is a FUCKING WHITE MALE and he's always thinking with his cock because male sexuality is evil
>Iseph is a genderfluid pansexual alt femboy

>>53210357
That doesn't count the metamagic feat the rod applies, right?

>>53210398
the metamagic rod is separate from feats, yes, it doesn't adjust.

>>53210377
Anon

I literally don't care about Paizo's characters that do not matter and I will never interact with

I care about them less than I give a shit about the characters in /pfg/ games.

>>53210305
I'm just mad they made the whole 'renewal' thing voluntary now, rather than an inevitable thing.

>Player drops his sword to grapple charge an enemy mage
>Rolls a nat1 on the grapple
>Enemy mage orders his summoned air elemental to snag the +2 sword and to book it back to their lines
>PC's sword is secured in the fortress
>PC is really upset that I took away his sword that he spent most of his WBL on

Was it a dick move? I mean he really did just drop his sword right next of a summoned elemental to beeline a mage.

>>53210504
Yes but its also hillarious

>>53210504
Never drop a valuable item next to the enemy. Also, you can drop things as a free action, why didn't he drop the sword next to him and the wizard before engaging the grapple?

>>53210504
Should have just had it carry or throw the sword across the battlefield. Keeping him from picking it back up is one thing. Crippling your player on a long-term basis is another.

And really, the mage should have been more worried about keeping the PC distracted so he wasn't fucking murdered than screwing over the PC at the risk to his own life.

>>53210522
He wasn't screwed, he gaseous formed on the same turn away.

>>53210534
The point remains, your player is now out his most important tool. This is the point where you need to decide whether it's more important to you to "win" or keep things running smoothly.

>>53210554
The player was given a backup tool just about as powerful moments prior to that, so everything's fine.

It just was the poor goblin's goblin-hero sword they won fair and square killing their leader so it has sentimental value to the character.

>>53210554
Alternatively this could be a useful teaching tool for the player to not make such foolish decisions in the future. He'll likely get it back eventually, and until then he has to live with the shame of the backup sword.

https://app.roll20.net/users/1844395/temeria

Reminder to PM Cierra's player and find out if she's cute! And see if you can get her to leak dragon logs!

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>>53210670
Jesus fucking christ.

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>>53210522
Generally, if you have to ask, the answer is yes.

And what do you know, it absolutely was.

If you wanted to steal your player's weapon in an encounter, make an encounter with a thief who's looting their camp or somebody who is known for literally stealing people's shit mid-melee.

But just randomly dicking your player over like that is kind of really uncool.
>Buh-but I gave him a replacement sword! It even has sentimental value because whatever fucking bullshit contrivance.
I imagine he had a sentimental connection to the sword he spent all his hard-earned money on too. Besides, if you were going to dick him out of his weapon, and give him something roughly equivalent to compensate, why bother stealing it in the first place?

I get the feeling it was just some opportunistic bullshit just so you could essentially force the PC to use the sword he picked up instead of just carrying it around to sell at the nearest big town.

You're kind of pathetic, Anon.

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>spent hours trying to rebalance one of my players' homebrew 3.5 class for Pathfinder
>mfw suddenly realize it's just a Barbarian with a beefed up Rage and all detriments removed

>>53210720
Well that was meant for >>53210504 but whatever.

>>53210670
That's not cool man
that's really not cool

>>53210670
This is a new low, even for you.

>>53210732
How is this any different from any other PM your roll 20 crush shitpost? Because it's someone in a game you don't like?

>>53210734
Even for me? What does that mean?

>>53210748
The fact that you're obvious the witch-hunter?

>>53210748
>How is this any different from any other PM your roll 20 crush shitpost?
The difference is that you don't aren't "encouraging" a mass of people to PM someone that think is cool/easy/fun/whatever, you're putting a target on a rando.
You know damn well you're putting that person up to get trolled by a bunch a people with literally nothing better to do.

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/5014066/applications/?pageforid=5037960#post-5037960

Oh dear.

>>53210792
>tfw i've already lost

>>53210792
God, Sleep r e a l l y liked that F-list meme

>>53210784
>>53210789
Air of ironic detachment aside, I have actually no idea what you're talking about. I simply want to know more about the mysterious person who got the spot, and their apparently adorable character.

>>53210792
>Availability
I hope he's picked and Rory schedules it over one of the games he's hosting just for the shitposting hour.

>>53210817
fuck off

>>53210720
The sword he lost is the one with sentimental value, modifying and upgrading it painstakingly himself.

The sword he got that's roughly an equivalent is a rando sword he got from one of the bigger bads, which is meant to be worthless (sentimentally)

I told him twice, 'Are you sure you want to drop your sword in the middle of a battlefield when you're surrounded by people', and he said yes.

Iunno, I tried to warn him, but he still went for it. I just didn't think he'd do it considering how much of a warning I gave him.

>>53210827
>stop being interested in things i'm not interested in

>>53210817
Just FUCK OFF already, you idiot.

>>53210792
>Actually wields a quarterstaff
>Named it "Not The Actual Staff (You Retard)"

>>53210853
I know you're trying to appear stupid, but you're really just cunty

>>53210817
It that IS true, which I doubt do to the negative stigma PLD has with pfg, you could've just PM'D THEM YOURSELF instead of potentially sending waves of harassers.

The way this place is, I refuse to believe you are genuine. It's too dumb of a mistake to make here for it to be.
This is coming from someone that just wants all the pfg game groups to have fun, and constantly hopes for then to do so

>>53210869
this

this is the meme we wanted

>>53210890
I banked on /pfg/'s love of cute girls and lack of courage to bully people on a non-anonymous forum.

>>53210890
Conscientious Anon, you're one of my favorites. I'd send you a cute PM if I could, but I'll settle for thanking you here!

>>53210792
You already shilled this earlier, sleep

>>53210933
but now its finished and funnier

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H-hey look at that, I got PM'd! Isn't this great???

>>53210993
Man if you really want to talk, just drop by the Discord and say so. We'll be here for you, pal.

>>53210993
Anon pls, don't make me bully you here too. :)

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>>53210993

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>>53210890
Somehow I feel like she's gonna be okay.

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>>53211010
Are we playing this game, now? I just got another PM.

>>53211021

*meows* *rolls over* *licks the chat* =^.^=

SPORK!

>>53211021
To be fair Luna, all of my PMs are VLC PMs I'm not clearing

>>53211013
>rofl
>no oxford comma
Literally human garbage.

>>53211034
teh penguin of doom xd

>>53211034
You must accept rolling.

>>53210792
We all thought we knew what BBC stood for in the Mwangi Expanse.
Little did we know it stood for BOSS BITCH COCK

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Why is running a game such a rush?

And why do I always feel like I didn't do enough for the players?

>>53211072
thats a cute rat!

>>53210927
I'll have to just take that then, thank you
I'm kinda paranoid with that kinda stuff here

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>>53211079
Only until my half-baked campaign kicks into gear. Then I hope she brought her weapons with her

Apparently the physical Adventurer's Guide is out, anyone pick it up? I'm curious what the content list looks like.

How do I make something approximating a mecha using just Pathfinder rules?

I'm thinking it would be some kind of custom construct that lets you substitute your own BAB for its BAB while riding it, with the main drawback being that any spell effects target your saves instead of its own.

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How do I at least approximate a headless character, /pfg/? Even something re-fluffed is fine. Some people have told me I should refluff a familiar, but is there anything else, ideally 1pp?

>>53211176
What type of campaign do you want to run?

What type of story do you want to tell?

>>53211080
I totally understand, but if you're as nice as you pretend to be, I wish we could be friends.

>>53211217
I bet it's QANON.

>>53211220
It's not, I know who it is. :)

>>53211217
>>53211220
I'll give a hint
I've recently Friended QANON, Wist, and am a member of the positive tower on the discord

>>53211236
Oh? If you do PM away~

>>53211243
The hell is "the positive tower"

>>53211264
Dick joke

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Anybody have a PDF of this? I'm really curious what the Superhuman class is, but it's not in the trove and I won't have the money to buy it for several days

(yes I'm aware it's all of three bucks, i just don't have that kind of money right now)

>>53211264
A small joke between the positive members of the discord, which there are 3 of funnily enough

>>53211326
Oh, then how about fucking off and taking your "super sekrit club ;)" memes back to that very Discord?

>>53211338
the salt

>>53211362
Hey hey, there's no need for that.

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>>53211201
I'm a player--I just want to know if there's a way I can build some kind of powered armor or guymelef just in case our party needs to throw down against something way above our weight class.

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>>53211428
unfortunately, we don't have anything like that at the moment. If you can wait until August, though, Atarfinder is going to include rules for power armor and mini-mechs as core, with gundams and similar shit coming later.

>>53211428
There was a player who applied to a /pfg/ game with a Pixie in a set of red armor. An Armor Suit Construct with its own sheet sounds easy if you want to do the punching yourself, but ask the GM first if he'll even allow it.

>>53209324
She's be far better off in Skull and Shackles, comparatively, where a violent streak would fit.

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Have you thanked your DM lately for being beautiful, /pfg/?

You should. Send them a PM right now!

>>53211611
I prefer to just thank them for running game in person, right at the end of session, like I always do. I make sure they know they're appreciated.

>>53211428
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uaw8?Pierce-the-Heavens-A-Pathfinders-Guide-to

>>53211629
But just imagine this, Anon: They're in the middle of some really involved prep work, and it's getting tough. Wouldn't it just brighten their day to know that someone cares about them and appreciates them in their darkest hour, when they need it most?
It's easy to cheer someone on in a moment of triumph, at the end of a session. Far greater is the player who's attentive in between sessions!

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Is this accurate?

>>53211709
No, there's no way in hell those people are high functioning

>>53211709
Someone needs to make one of these for a buddy cop movie starring Rory and Vult

Do you guys think that love can bloom

even on the battlefield?

>>53211795
No, but it can bloom in a Medium Tent.

>>53211795
Not for you, dude.

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http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljs2?Organizations-of-the-Adventurer-s-Guide

What're you most interested in seeing? This companion is aimed at player options, so should we expect a mammoth barbarian archetype?

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>>53211939
>Silver Ravens

Sasuga JJ.

>>53211939
Aspis Consortium (Profiteering Syndicate)
Aspis Consortium (Profiteering Syndicate)
Aspis Consortium (Profiteering Syndicate)
Aspis Consortium (Profiteering Syndicate)

>>53211939
Oh, seems like the Hellknights are getting some more stuff. Neato.

Applying the ghost salt weapon blanch to a net wouldn't allow it to trap incorporeal creatures, would it? Could it? Please!?

>>53211939
A Red Mantis PRC that isn't awful would be nice.

>>53212104
Probably would, yeah. Blanches don't last too long though, so it would only work for a short time.

>>53212126

>An application of ghost salt remains effective until the weapon makes a successful attack.

What I am wondering is, would the ghost remain entangled after the attack? Could this be a poor man's ghost touch net?

>>53212124
>Red Mantis
What were those guys again?
Some mantis kaiju cultists?

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Earlier, I had run my second session of a Spheres of Might playtest game. There was actual combat this time, even if it was just one very quick battle. Apparently, I plan my playtest games so poorly that I spend more time faffing about with pure roleplaying scenes and noncombat challenges, like three-fourths of the party being charmed by a crossdressing kitsune boy. I allowed the players to edit their sheets after the fiascos of the last session ( https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/52967210/#52967443 ), including shelling out for a lantern of revealing auras.

Before the session, three out of four players had expressed a total loss of interest in Spheres of Might. They each had their own gripes, but the long and short of it was that they had lost their faith in the product's mechanical integrity. They all played with me nevertheless, for their own individual reasons.

The characters were as follows:

• Sumi, the human blacksmith 5: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1la4qB3GxxPrQ8FMPnNvu0aoooEMu3YdtbIV57Se8wBQ/edit
Sumi is a cute battle tailor.
Sumi specializes in killing people with Oversized Weapons nodachis. She deals massive damage with a Furious Focus'd Brutal Strike exertion while expending martial focus, then trivially regains focus using either Savage or Focusing Connection. She also buffs the entire party's manufactured weapon damage rolls by +4. This is what she does every single round. Passive and off-turn talents carry her defensively.

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>>53212252

• Sylvia, the human armiger 5: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T6SIEYl8nT9Rtw-RDn78sdoPJME5t-vHHMHpRjOp-5U/edit
Sylvia is a cute battle maid.
Sylvia specializes in killing people with an Oversized Weapons nodachi. She deals massive damage with a Furious Focus'd Brutal Strike exertion while expending martial focus, follows up with a rapid assault for a second attack (a.k.a. fake full attack), and trivially regains focus using either focusing switch or Focusing Connection. This is what she does every single round. Passive and off-turn effects talents carry her defensively.

• Linle, the human conscript 3/alchemist (mortal chemist, tinkerer) 1/cavalier (blooded knight) 1: https://pastebin.com/m5RctJza (plus a sheet for combat calculations that I do not have on hand)
Linle is a cute sheepgirl human.
Linle specializes in killing people with Improved Acid Flasks. She deals massive damage with Cluster Toss'd Improved Acid Flasks that benefit from a Craft result of 45, Intelligence to damage on each, and the party blacksmith's sharpen weapons. She need only target a grid intersection's static AC 5, and offers enemies no saving throws. She expends martial focus, but trivially regains focus using either Savage or Focusing Connection. This is what she does every single round. Passive and off-turn talents carry her defensively.
Linle is by far the most powerful character in the entire party, no contest. She needs only hit AC 5 regardless of the enemy, she deals absurd damage that lingers the next round, she doles out partially-party-friendly AoEs, and she is in full plate and a tower shield. She also has the most noncombat utility due to her Intelligence.

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>>53212263

• Jacobo, the human gunslinger (gunfighter) 5: https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1190617
Jacobo is a cute soldier boy.
Jacobo specializes in killing people with Oversized Weapons pistols. He deals massive damage with a Barrage, Dual Wielding, Impossible Reload, Crushing Combo while expending martial focus, and trivially regains focus using Focusing Combo. (Thank goodness for ranged touch attacks with Dexterity to damage and no misfire!) This is what he does every single round. He had no budget for passive and off-turn effects, so he is screwed if anyone attacks him. It does not help that he is the only party member not in full plate, and two other party members have a heavy shield and a tower shield, so he is all the more tempting a target in contrast.

You might notice a few common themes across these characters.

• They are all very good at killing people. Why should a spheremighter bother with debuffing/control talents that must contend with CMD or saving throws? They can instead obliterate enemies outright with things like Equipment's Oversized Weapons, Berserking's Brutal Strike, Dual Wielding's Crushing Combo, and Alchemy's Improved Acid Flasks. Spheres of Might's damage output is apparently being balanced against permanently-hasted Paizo martials who are always in full attack position, yet the writers seem reluctant to make Spheres of Might's debuffing on par with top-notch battlefield control spells.

• They can regain martial focus trivially. Every character had martial focus at almost all times, because focus was pathetically easy to regain with their class features and talents. This is Spheres of Might's combat paradigm: nearly every spheremighter wants to take a focus-replenishing talent ASAP, so as to constantly expend and regain focus.

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>>53212271

• Most of them repeat the exact same routine over and over and over again in combat. Damage is the best way to end encounters as a spheremighter, and a spheremighter only really needs one combo with which to kill enemies. Once that combo is attained, why bother spending talents to expand horizontal flexibility? It is better to use those talents on passive/off-turn defensive abilities that can help the character survive. The Dueling dip with both drawbacks for Defensive Slice and Scar Tissue was an especially good deal.

• Most of them have a familiar for +4 initiative, +2 Perception, and +2 Sense Motive. Two of them took familiars via the Beastmastery sphere, the Unskilled drawback, and the Pet talent. It is a good deal for any character, so why not take it?

• Most of them have nil for noncombat utility. Whereas most of Paizo's half-casters like bards, inquisitors, and hunters have the luxury of choosing high-impact noncombat spells like invisibility and suggestion, Spheres of Might's noncombat talents are decidedly weaker and likely to be passed up in favor of high-impact talents like Equipment's Oversized Weapons and a focus-replenisher.

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>>53212277

Shortly after arriving in a fairy tale demiplane attached to the Dimension of Dreams, the party picked a fight with four (cute) CR 7 advanced maftets: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j1rRX3g8-PcmbemiLiGbB2OiCyEoBgwz8mvKUIya7Bk/edit#

This was technically a CR 11 encounter against four 5th-level, 20 point buy PCs. However, that CR 11 is a bit misleading, because the maftets were nothing more than all-melee beatsticks. This was intentional, because I wanted to start off with a simplistic battle against simplistic enemies just to gain my bearings.

I predicted that the following would occur in this encounter:
• The armiger and the blacksmith would have trouble hitting the enemies' high ACs, but would chunk away terrific amounts of damage on a hit.
• The blacksmith's +4 bonus to everyone's manufactured weapon damage rolls would prove instrumental in taking out enemies.
• The gunslinger would inflict major damage on a single enemy before being ganged up on and taken out.
• After taking out the gunslinger, the advanced maftets would have a hard time meaningfully hurting the remaining party members due to their impressive defensive abilities, such as Parry and Riposte and Scar Tissue.
• The conscript/alchemist/cavalier's Improved Acid Flasks would be the single most devastating thing in the entire encounter, corroding away the vast majority of the enemies' hit points.
• The battle would last two rounds at most, and each PC would do the exact same thing on both of their turns.
• None of them would have any trouble with martial focus whatsoever.

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>>53212282

All of my predictions were 100% correct. The battle played out exactly as you would have expected it to. The armiger and the blacksmith really did dish out obnoxious damage on a hit, the blacksmith's sharpen weapons really did push the party's damage over the edge, the gunslinger's high-accuracy and high-damage attacks were ended by enemies ganging up on him, the advanced maftets really did have trouble hurting everyone else afterwards...

And most of all, the sheepgirl's Improved Acid Flasks stole the entire metaphorical show. They dealt a disgusting amount of damage across all of the enemies, to the point wherein her net contribution to the fight was almost that of the other three PCs combined.

Even after the gunslinger went down in the first round, the party simply had to mop up the remaining enemies during the second round, spamming the same routine with ever-replenished martial focus.

In the end, the players did not have much to say about the battle, though a couple of them did bemoan their PCs being the "brutally effective yet also insufferably boring and repetitive" type, which is not much different from regular Paizo martials anyway.

My group's morale for Spheres of Might is still low, and I am starting to wonder if continuing this playtest will have any point to it. We have already learned some very obvious lessons about Spheres of Might's "kill everyone by spamming the same martial-focus-replenishing routine round after round" paradigm, and there is not much more we can learn.

>>53212252
>>53212263
>>53212271
>>53212277
>>53212282
>>53212288

That's really thorough! And it seems like it's a sound conclusion too. Why don't you just discontinue the playtest?

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I desire to discuss mechanics.

The topic for today is the popularly discussed yet seldom used 'Bad touch cleric'. Sure, save or sucks are prevalent on the cleric list and while they probably won't be as potent as a wizard's options, the cleric benefits from 3/4 BAB which nets them a reliable hit rate with just 10~14 str. Cool enough back in the 3.5 days, but things have changed with the inclusion of spell perfection.

Since most of their damaging bad touch deal static damage, what would be the cleric's best option for his spell perfection? Is Harm worth it? What free metamagics would you tack in there? Piercing Persistent would certainly make avoiding it difficult, but you'd have to go through so many obstacles, the first of which is actually landing the hit, followed by getting past his SR, before he even needs to roll to save which probably won't kill.

All this probably won't justify investment in SF/GSF Necromancy and Spell penetration.

>>53211176
This system is horrible at combat, and worse yet at mounted, and then further-still-somehow worse at trying to apply vehicles.

Honest, anon, anything else. Anything else at all short of POSSIBLY MAYBE FATAL could be better suited to your need.

d20 mecha was... poo.

>>53211176
You go use the Gonzo mecha rules for Pathfinder. They're pretty fun actually.

>>53211176
If you're running things:
You have two types of stats. Your normal stats. These function normally in a pathfinder game.
Then you have MECHA STATS.

Regular stats are SEVERELY WEAK to MECHA STATS. Like, a factor of 10. Thus, enough wizard's fireballs can take down a mech, but for the most part will just be just scorching the paint job. Conversely, MECHA STATS are VERY STRONG against normal stats; a MECHA sword swing can flatten most fighters in a single hit.

Then just run mechs as golems fighting each other with MECHA STATS

>>53212210
Assassin duders

Something I realized recently, is it a strange mindset to generally prefer quests that are more plot-oriented instead of being pure dungeon crawl or combat slogs and yet the characters I make tend to be very combat optimized?

I realize that this seems like a contradiction to me, so I am not sure how to feel about it

>>53212417
Is it possible to just get a custom magic item of Harm and try to boost DCs through items rather than it?

Sorry, don't have much experience with 1pp magic.

>>53212417
Shit bad touchers honestly, an Ectoplasmatist/fractured mind spiritualist is far better and carries a damn good list for it too

>>53212457
Pathfinder characters lean towards combat mechanically; but your desire is for roleplay and plot stuff.

Some would say to migrate to another system. I feel that it's just getting the best out of both worlds.

(So no, it's not too weird)

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>>53212357

Some of us are enjoying the roleplaying and the storyline so far, even though I personally believe I am deeply miscarrying and mismanaging the game due to my inexperience in running group games (as opposed to one-on-one games). I suppose that is one incentive to continue.

Another incentive would be the fact that Spheres of Might could very well change and improve in the future.

Addendum to the playtest report:

• Drawbacks need to change. It is too trivial to cheese them into cherry-picking exactly the talents you need. You will observe that the entire party is milking drawbacks for all they are worth.

• Alchemy's Improved Acid Flasks, Cluster Toss, and Snap Toss need to change. They deal completely ludicrous amounts of damage, and the flasks need only target a grid intersection with AC 5.

• Equipment's Oversized Weapon is a cancerous talent. It is a mindless damage boost to many weapon-using characters, and it does not change up any playstyles in a meaningful fashion.

• The armiger should encourage mixing up various weapon types, instead of nudging players into picking two of the same weapon type so that they can hit hard with their rapid assault class feature. Our party's armiger has two Large nodachis, after all.

• I dare say that the gunslinger (gunfighter) is an overpowered archetype by 5th-level. Between Dexterity to damage, ranged touch attacks, Equipment's Distance Shot, Equipment's Firearm Fiend, the Barrage sphere, the Dual Wielding sphere, and Dual Wielding's Impossible Reload, firearms are a terrifying source of reliable damage.

• Something needs to be done about the "spam the same trick over and over again, with the help of focus-replenishers" combat paradigm. Likewise, there needs to be an actual incentive to mix up attacks, rather than fill out a spammable combo and then take passive/off-turn abilities with the rest of one's talents. Compare this to the Tome of Battle/Path of War, which force characters to mix it up.

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>>53212452
Oh shit right, assassins.
Huh.
Wow.
Hm.

>>53212288
How much of a hand did you have in helping everyone make their PCs?

You've pointed out very real big problems but I could foresee a common criticism of your results being that you encouraged every PC to focus on your optimal build strategy of a single devastating combo, and people allowed to 'just build for fun' will find more enjoyable results.

Do you think there would be merit in trying to encourage a new paradigm of diverse and dynamic playstyle prioritized over damage and seeing what the players would come up with in that case?

>>53212463
No. Saving throw DCs from items suck unless you spend WAY too much money boosting them, and you can't apply shit like metamagic rods on spells cast from items.

>>53212495
Aren't there ways to substitute your DCs instead?

>>53212471
After seeing one of my minmaxing friends talk about it, and after going through a combat session which was AMAZINGLY sluggish because the GM was obssesed about 'challenging players I kind of realized myself why do I do this alot

It turns out that I kind of hate how combat goes in general. Suddenly I symphathized with said min-maxer who said that his reason for doing so is to get combat out of the way as fast as possible

Drawn out combat is an extreeemely life-draining experience. That whole waiting your turn or even not getting one because you had nothing else to do in combat

>>53212486
yeah they're assassin cultists to an assassin god thats a giant red mantis, specifically he's all about assassination, and is the god's assassin

>>53212498
Staves use your own DCs by default, you can get archetypes/abilities to do that with scrolls and wands, but I don't recall seeing any that would work with other kinds of items.

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>>53212490

I had a very heavy influence in building PCs.

>Do you think there would be merit in trying to encourage a new paradigm of diverse and dynamic playstyle prioritized over damage and seeing what the players would come up with in that case?
This would be somewhat pointless, because more diverse and dynamic playstyles will be heavily overshadowed by the boring and spammy playstyles.

It is quite damning to conclude that a product makes boring and spammy playstyles so much more effective over varied and diverse playstyles, no?

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I love the smell of PMing my crush in the morning.

Smells like victory.

>>53212503
I never really have this issue -- GMs who run slow combat need to prepare better; and players who take too long in combat need to fix their shit as well. Realistically, a turn should take less than a minute. Move, action, continue on. That can still be pretty long, but that's just how this game rolls.

I tend to eat inbetween my turns.
I also play turn based games when I'm dealing with online combat, since that takes foooooooooreevver

>>53212534
I love the smell of crushed PM in the morning.

Smells like democracy

I'm absolutely new to pf, I'm playing a dervish of dawn bard halfling so I'm currently at small size. If I used reduce person on myself and my natural reach would go to 0, what would change in combat while using my scimitar to hit? Would enemies close to me get attacks of opportunity every time I try to hit them?

Not played Pathfinder yet, saw the core rulebook in a shop the other day, why is it so fucking huge?

>>53212938
because its a complex system, no reason to buy it though, d20pfsrd.com

>>53212885
you'd have to move into their square

>>53209879
>>53209943
>>53210016
You know, when you know precisely who I am on discord, it's typically worth your time to ask me directly when you are just conjecturing about what I'm trying to do

>No, this isn't a 100% replacement of magic items
>No, this isn't the limit of power for it, there are further tiers
>Yes, this is going to MODIFY wealth by level
>The only thing I'm trying to out and out replace are the stat boosting items
>Also, I'm trying to give dangerous effects that give boons for the price of corruption
>The bad effects are the price of gambling, and are why I baked in "re-rolling"

This is a system that I'm trying to combine with giving magic items, but giving them as plot appropriate rather than opening up walmart to the players. (For example the PLD party is about to get at the bare minimum a Handy Haversack and a Wand of CLW in addition to the magic collars Cashmere looted)

And most importantly, I'm not developing it in a vacuum, I'm being super open with my players and they're helping and making suggestions.

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>>53212998

I was in contact with one of your players who had directly informed that the subsystem, and I quote verbatim, "also effectively replaces wbl."

With that misunderstanding out of the way, I still do not think you know what you are doing here. You have a goal of presenting innate abilities that serve as a partial replacement for wealth-by-level, which is perfectly valid.

However, you additionally have two conflicting goals:
1. Ensure that the abilities are actually useful and scale well.
2. Ensure that there are abilities of trivial utility for the characters said abilities are intended for, such as a bite attack on a dedicated spellcaster, or +2 Strength for carrying capacity and a denial of feet slot items, so that characters are encouraged to "reroll."

You are effectively stuck having to design both "actually useful abilities" and "tripe abilities," when you could be focusing on the former and instituting a system wherein characters are enticed into corrupting acts to acquire more of the "actually useful abilities."

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>>53212946
>no reason to buy it though

>>53213121
>its literally all free
>online
>d20pfsrd

>>53213070
You missed

3. Provide them enough aesthetic transformations without tipping their power level one way or another

I'm perfectly fine with including small to useless abilities like Temeria's vestigial wings. And not the least of which reasons are because no one has told you apparently that I already plan to include a second tier, that you can only get by having a similar base transformation (Like, manticore tail can only come if you already have a cat tail) which are much bigger bonuses. Getting vestigial wings isn't going to help anyone that much. Getting a fly speed will, and that comes later.

And I really need to rename it to something other than Corruption, since it happens from a transfer a tangible /thing/ in universe, not from being tempted to do bad things. It's like absorbing the essence of the monsters

And say "You are not achieving what you're trying to achieve" or something instead "you don't know what you're doing"

>>53213131
They're called tabletop RPGs for a reason mate and I'm not taking a laptop.

The books are nice anyway.

>>53213164
>using a tabletop
>in the current year

>>53213177
It's how its meant to be played mate.

>>53213070
>or +2 Strength for carrying capacity and a denial of feet slot items
You realize it was one of my players who did the color coding, not me, right? I feel like you're assuming I think increased carrying capacity is worth losing an item slot and that I didn't put it in as a penalty transformation

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>>53213142

Frankly, this is sounding overambitious. You now have to design:

1. Actually useful and desirable abilities.

2. Strictly disadvantageous flaws.

3. Cosmetic abilities with a nearly useless ribbon attached.

4. Actually useful and desirable abilities that have a prerequisite of a specific cosmetic ability with a nearly useless ribbon attached.

All of this goes on to a roulette wheel for randomization. You also have to balance around the fact that abilities can be traded, which means an ability that is supposed to be a useless ribbon actually becomes a terrifying tool in another character's hands.

Teams of professional RPG writers (I am not just referring to Paizo's) already have enough difficulty trying to design merely category #1 with fair price tags attached. What makes you think you can fairly balance #1 through #4 just because you have a handful of people to bounce ideas off?

>>53213200

Is that supposed to fall under category #2, then?

>>53212210
They are The League of Shadows, assassins tasked with stabilizing the world, they do odd jobs on the side, killing for money, until they need to assassinate to save the world again.

>>53213221
It's not a roulette wheel. Here's how it currently works

There are slots
>EARS
>MOUTH
>HEAD
>BODY
>SPIRIT
>BACK
>HANDS
>LEGS
>XXXm
>XXXf
(Non-lewd games obviously don't have the XXX ones)

Each slot gets assigned a transformation based on the donor monster. The player then picks 5 (4) slots they want to get, and are then told what was in the slots. That then replaces whatever they had in those slots, even if it's >RESET< and they go back to human there.

Furthermore, the only abilities in the base tier that have to be "actually useful and desirable" are the stat modifiers, which there's pretty good precedent on the rate those are supposed to be doled out. Everything else can be at the level of skill modifiers, or minor abilities at the cost of corruption (which is needed for the Nightwalker Rage feature)

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>>53213359
>They are the League of Shadows
*hired guns

>>53213393
They're both.

>>53213359
Who are the Aspis Consortium? Are there other notable organizations?

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>>53213386

This is still terribly randomized for a subsystem that is supposed to comprise a significant portion of a character's abilities. Again, compare it to wealth-by-level, which gives characters freedom to mix and match among themselves, sell, and purchase. Your system is more or less gambling, particularly when there is the distinct possibility of putting a semi-decent ability at stake and receiving a strictly disadvantageous ability in exchange.

This also runs the serious risk of overcomplicating character progression. If this is to stand alongside regular magic items, then you are going to have characters managing two entirely different sets of slots on the body, which is quite cumbersome.

>>53213386
>>53213445
I think the best way to handle it is to make it entirely separate from WBL, instead of trying to figure out what each mutation is individually worth and overcomplicate calculations.

Give the PCs a fraction of their WBL (more than half, this system is less reliable than the auto bonus progression one) and just play the mutations by ear.

>>53213434
Aspis consortium is just your average generic world spanning criminal organization. They're merchants and smugglers. The only time I've ever found them interesting is in Garund, in deserts they're often fronts for Blue Dragon dens, in Rahadoum they smuggle in religious contriband.

Silver Ravens are SUPER PATHFINDERS THAT ARE ALSO HARPERS AND PLUCKY GOOD REBELS THEY ARE THE BEST ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS A FUCKING SHITLORD.

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>>53213464

It should be noted that halved wealth-by-level strongly encourages PCs to save their wealth strictly for absolutely essential magic items such as ability score belts, ability score headbands, and cloaks of resistance. There is no wiggle room to purchase more interesting magic items.

>>53213445
>>53213445
How do you not realize that the gambling is the point? And how did you blank from your mind that it has been stated several times that the party, in downtime, can swap slot for slot between each other.

I'm curious, do you actually think you can throw the same CR encounters at any given party of the same level? It feels like you have this dogmatic belief that the game is destroyed if players get the slightest detriment to their optimization.

Do you never play with cursed items? Never deal with negative levels or lead with ability-damaging enemies?

Do you only play APs?

>>53213500
Is there a place to see the PLD rules?
(especially the transformation part)

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>>53213121
Why would you want to give paizo cash?

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>>53213500

>How do you not realize that the gambling is the point?
Why does gambling need to be the point?

>And how did you blank from your mind that it has been stated several times that the party, in downtime, can swap slot for slot between each other.

This point has never been elucidated clearly enough.

Now that you bring it up, you raise another issue. It is very difficult to design abilities that are merely cosmetic effects with "useless ribbons" if characters can freely mix and match abilities.

A 1d6 damage bite attack on a dedicated spellcaster is not going to do much. It is a useless ribbon. Give it to a melee attacker, however, and they have just received a non-negligible upgrade to their full attack routine.

>I'm curious, do you actually think you can throw the same CR encounters at any given party of the same level? It feels like you have this dogmatic belief that the game is destroyed if players get the slightest detriment to their optimization.

>Do you never play with cursed items? Never deal with negative levels or lead with ability-damaging enemies?

>Do you only play APs?

Most players prefer for difficulty to arise from the fact that the opposition is noteworthy, a challenge to rise to. Difficulty arising from being forced into gambling for character abilities and being dealt a bad hand, on the other hand, is more frustrating than anything. (See: Randomly rolling for ability scores and winding up with a poor array.)

Furthermore, if you are going to rig the gambling such that players always receive something useful, then what is the point of the gambling in the first place? You are just pretending that there is an element of randomization by that point.

>>53213529
>Post an incomplete and inbalanced homebrew in here
What could go wrong?

No, I'm not posting the link to the whole thing yet. There's only like two dozen tf's so far anyways. The only thing of interest that seems robust enough is the template, which I still haven't written rules for un-smutting

The Nightwalker Template (Subject to tinkering)

For every point of HP magically healed, gain 1 Corruption.

When you gain Corruption and it meets or exceeds your Maximum HP, you must make a Will save, DC {10+Corruption-Max HP}. On a failure, you become incapacitated with madness until after an overnight rest is completed, at which point the EXCESS corruption is removed (Warning, large amounts of expelled corruption have unknown magical effects!). On success, you have the option to initiate a rage as though you were an equivalent level urban barbarian, using the Restrained Rage feature, and Fast Healng {Level+Con}. When the rage ends, you will be incapacitated with madness for a short period.

Resting for an hour at night is the equivalent of resting the whole night normally. Resting the whole night restores all HP. Resting all day removes all Corruption.

DR 1/Moonsilver (magic)

If you become overwhelmed from a forceful transfer of corruption, a poison held in all bodily fluids much like a disease, Nightwalkers have a chance of absorbing the essence of the source, their bodies transforming into aspects of the other's body. These transformations only manifest at night, melting back into the body under the light of the sun.

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What adventure path would you guys suggest for someone who has never run Pathfinder or 3.5 before?

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>>53213565
>Why does gambling need to be the point?

We are clearly playing two different games.

>>53213605
Giantslayers is pretty easy and doesn't rely on douchebaggery to become a meat grinder.

>>53213142
>temeria has wings now
Cute! CUTE!

>>53213570
>DR 1
Do you mean DR 1 per HD? How is that even worth tracking, otherwise?

>>53213799
It's a flavor thing. As far as the peasants are concerned, Nightwalkers are functionally immortal. Monsters? They don't care so much

>>53213821
Do peasants in your world only do unarmed strikes with no damage stash, or something? DR 1 stops being functionally immortal when the club is invented.

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>>53213710

Is Rise of the Runelords any good for a newbie GM?

>>53213565
While I agree I'd argue it's even worse than a poor array, because at least with a shit set of rolls you can still figure out where to go from there and shape your character to deal with it.

When a crit-fisher who'd want full +X enhancement, keen and Collision gets nothing but 4 burst abilities and a +1, he's fucked out of a job.

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>>53213710

What about Rise of the Runelords or Kingmaker?

>>53213821
Are you sure you don't mean Regeneration 1 (Moonsilver)? DR 1 just means they take 1 less damage from an attack. Even peasants are gonna be doing like 1d4+2. That's not immortal, that's barely tougher than a regular guy.

>>53213849
HP is blood points, Nightwalkers level more than non-nightwalkers. The DR works against bleed out damage, so you automatically stabilize. This is more legend than fact.

>flavor

>>53213867
pray tell, which of the penalty transformations, which only last until the next batch of tfs, is so bad that it's fucking someone out of a job?

>>53213531
Because you guys want the books as soon as possible.

>>53213869
Rise of the Runelords yes, Kingmaker maybe!

Just be sure to add trigger warnings if you do Rise of the Runelords, some of the later stuff can be pretty traumatic.

>>53213869
Bilbo is cute!

>>53213891
I have no idea what you just tried to say. Blood points? DR doesn't apply against dying. I have no idea what you're trying to do with this, but you haven't done it.

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>>53213899

I've never played RotRL. What parts should I warn my friend about?

>>53213916

How do you like your Halflings, anon? This is pretty close for me. That or I run them like Lalafell from Final Fantasy FFXIV; horrible little capitalist midgets with destructive magic who worship a god of death and taxes.

>>53213851
Yes, pretty damn good since it introduces you to magic which is the foundation of pathfinder.

>>53213925
I mean when you get hit, you actually get hit, take visible damage, lose blood, etc. Not the usual assumption that they're "close misses" or "just a bit of fatiguing" "using up your heroic luck" or whatever. A nightwalker with 80 hp brought down means he took enough damage to kill 10 men, probably more.

Also, I haven't added it as its own proper wording, but Nightwalkers auto-stabilize. For lewd reasons that should be obvious.

>>53213899
>Trigger Warning
>There are Trigger Warnings in this thread, which may cause those triggered by trigger warnings regarding trigger warnings to feel oppressed and/or trigger their post-traumatic stress disorder about that time their mommy said no to them when they really really really wanted that candy before supper.
>None of this would have happened if you weren't one of those horrific rape monsters made entirely of penis.

>>53209088

Well, a character of mine once took it upon himself to give his sort-of-adopted daughter a scientific education. She became a highly-gifted surgical assistant, and aided considerably in the process of creating new mutant servants.

>>53213933
I like my halflings to be kind of like how Kender are described, minus the "adorable" kleptomania: childlike innocence but still with moments of maturity when the situation calls for it.

Also, I like them to have their heights swapped with gnomes, because it feels weird for the strange fey race to be taller than the mini human race.

>>53211186

I think some sort of tumor familiar is probably your best bet, unflattering though it might sound. Admittedly, a normally headless PC isn't something I've had to devote a whole lot of thought towards before now.

>>53213899
>>53213959

I thought it was Hell's Rebels that had the unironic trigger warnings regarding the visions into the true nature of Barbie's evil?

>>53213869
Big issue with Rise of the Runelords is it can be surprisingly lethal after the first book, I dunno how you feel about randomly killing your players, but it can happen.

Kingmaker has multiple subsystems you'd have to learn.

>>53214053
>Kingmaker
It's got the mass combat rules (which are unanimously agreed to be trash), the kingdom building rules (which are slightly less unanimously agreed to be trash and have an updated, improved version that was released later), and a hex crawl system. Am I missing any systems?

>>53214048
I've always preferred the oldschool generalized disclaimer.

>Bambi II
>This movie contains sexually explicit scenes and course language. Viewer discretion is advised.

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>>53214053

I'll write off Kingmaker. Mummy's Mask got suggested to us but no one is feeling up for an Egyptian themed adventure right now.

Rise of the Runelords it is!

>>53213359
>assassins tasked with stabilizing the world
wait what
>>53212507
Gods' assassin, assassin of gods, or god of assassins?

>>53214093
Yes

>>53214074
That's about it, but it can be an annoyance.
>>53214090
Alright then Anon. Be sure to hype up the true final boss of the first book. Giant Enemy Crab

>>53214105
>ATTACK ITS WEAK POINT, FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE

>GIANT. ENEMY. CRAB.

>BASED ON JAPANESE HISTORY.

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Is there a way to get spells or even full casting with a Path of War class?

>>53214093
what gods has it assassinated

>>53214296
Only archetypes, and not for fullcasters. Thank fuck, having a character with fullcasting and initiating would be too much.

>>53214319

What archetypes could get you spellcasting then?

>>53214296
There's a couple PrCs with maneuvers + casting.

>>53213605
I suggest Rise of the Runelords.

>>53214573
And somehow it's still okay to bring that trash here. Then you wonder why people just quit coming here... Then quit checking 4chan altogether, and all that's left in /tg/ is depression and politics posting.

Very seriously: if I'm being surrounded by idiots and asshole, I'm simply gonna take my business elsewhere.

And then where do I find level-headed people to play with? On Reddit? Full of PC-loving snotty fucks? On Roll20? Where everyone's an edgy little tart? On here again, if everyone's an autist and a sex addict?

There's just no middle ground. And it was already hard to find THE game I wanted to play, HOW I wanted to play it.

>>53214616
What are you going on about you sperg

>>53214625
Some post that apparently got banned about the Discord associated to this thread, complaining people just talk ERP on there (specifically how some guy took CLASSES for that...).

And having checked the Discord, I can confirm it was quite annoying to see this.

But apparently that constitues a derailing of thread so... Nevermind.

>>53214653

There are ERP classes?

Count me as interested.

Who should I PM?

>>53213933
You should warn him about rape, violence against women, pregnancy and casual racism towards PoC.

Quick question for y'all.

If you applied to a game, and the GM didn't like you as a person, and thus would never pick your app no matter how good it was or how bad the rest are, would you prefer he tell you this, or keep the illusion that you had a chance of getting picked?

And for the inverse.

If you applied to a game and the GM likes you/is your friend and basically guarantees a slot for your app regardless of how good or bad it is, would you prefer the GM to inform you so, or keep the illusion that you were selected on the quality of your app?

>>53214718
Fuck off back to /pol/.

>>53214725

GM here. I think it's better to be up-front with players if they come and talk to you. But if they're silent after putting up an app, I don't really think you have much of an obligation to do so.

>>53214725
If they ask, you should tell them. If it doesn't come up, you shouldn't feel obligated to bring it up.

What is the best "For the King, For The Land, for the Mountains" momment in campaigns you played?

>>53214925
?

>>53214934
Epic Fantasy heroic moment.

>>53214735
But that's stuff that happens in the campaign?

>>53214958
>casual racism towards PoC.

>>53214925
Darmok And Jalad, At Tanagra

>>53214986
Shaka, when the walls fell

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>>53214986

>>53214984
The campaign's fairly critical of Belor, and Nualia's a woman of color.

>>53214998

Temba, his arms wide!

>>53215042
Mirab, with sails unfureld

>>53215029
Belor's a super fucking minor character and Nualia is an Aasimar, I don't think normal human ethnicity is even applicable to her and even if it was she certainly isn't anything I'd describe as being of color.

And even if THAT were the case and Nualia was, it's not really racism since you're not kicking her ass because of her race. You're kicking her ass because she's trying to destroy the town via Goblin and Demon.

>>53215066
> posting best version on an sfw board of an indonesian toaster fabric community platform

>>53215066
Wow, that... went places I wasn't expecting.

Reading over the Aberrant Aegis and Feral Heart Soulknife, it seems that even though they modify your body they stack with polymorph effects, letting you become a wolf with tentacles or a hill giant with claw and bite attacks. Hell, if you're really into multiclassing you could even go Aberrant/Feral Heart/some shapeshifting class and go wild.

>>53215066
>already removed
aaah! Someone link it or put it in the discord!

>>53215237
>>53215182
Makes me think the poster didn't realize it went THERE when they posted it.

>>53215087
That's still racism, she's evil because of her discrimination.

Even if you're going to be this bull-headed about this (ugh), that still doesn't erase all the problematic aspects of RotRL.

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>>53215486

Oh, hush, before you get your mint tea privileges taken away.

>>53215486
Seriously fuck off to /pol/ with that "lets [pretend to be a leftist strawman" bullshit

>>53215567
Are you telling me a game that features literally rape, incest and extreme violence shouldn't have warnings?

>>53215580
Don't try to change the subject with how you injected a generic "muh racism" in there when there is none.

>>53215580
That AP needs a gnoll warning.

>>53215580
I suppose then somehow playing a career soldier plunging sharp metal weapons into the guts of monsters and men alike doesn't require a warning?

>>53215603
No. That was just the GM being a dick.

>>53215602
It's literally racism. She is treated differently because of her race. That's what racism is. Just because she has angel blood instead of African doesn't make it not racism.

>>53215603
Warning: Gnolls

Best warning

(I love gnolls, I always make them slightly psycho goofs with ADHD that love ironic humour and practical jokes.)

(Also are much more artistically creative than normal races)

>>53215580
Rape happens off-screen.
You are certainly right on warning your players because back in 2007 many of mine complained on this campaign being too heavy on horror in the second and third modules though things go back to normal heroic fantasy in the fourth and fifth they almost drop in book six with the dorf cannibal ghosts.

>>53215608
Killing men doesn't count

>>53215461

I didn't.

>>53215608
Violence against women is way more severe than violence against men, especially when you learn the women are evil for sympathetic reasons, like body image issues or literally being a rape survivor.

>>53215696
t. Sexists fuck

>>53215629
She's not really treated differently because the people thought themselves better than her. Quite the opposite. And even if it was Racism, referncing racism existing doesn't really require a trigger warning unless it's a huge part of the story or very severe.

Nualia's bullshit basically
>people bugged me a lot as a kid and put too many expectations on me and I couldn't keep my legs closed for the first man who wasn't an annoying cunt to me. So now I'm burning down my hometown in the name of the deity that got me into this mess to begin with.

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>>53215650

I think one of my favorite interpretations I heard on here is that they're a naturally philosophical race, but their low intelligence means they usually get distracted or start arguing in circles before they can make any meaningful conclusions.

>>53215538
He was talking about Night Tea you goofball, a substance that is the right of every woman who wants to actually have control over their own body.

>>53215658
>>53215696
Fuck off. That's not even true in Runelords or in Paizo shit because most of the fucking villains are female.

>>53215723

That's it, no more tea past 7 p.m. for you, anon!

>>53215723
That's a shame. Mint is fucking terrible.

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What is the best secondary archetype for a Myrmidon Fighter? Lore Warden? Mutation Warrior? Is an Archer any good, or am I better off going Lore Warden?

I was thinking about doing a Dex focused build that jumps between using a bow and melee, probably Tempest Gale and Thrashing Dragon.

Also how do you cheese using Advance Study?

>>53215765
What type of personality and goals do you want your character to have?