Exalted General - /exg/

>>53205202

Partially homebrewed, but never implemented, finished, or expanded, a set of full plate soulsteel armour that would grant bonuses and evocations if you aligned itself with its bloodthirsty and violent nature.

Turns out something similar exists in Berserk, I think.

As a story-teller, how harsh should I be about awarding 2 point stunts?

>>53206174

Don't be too harsh. Exalted is all about stunting.

Also, let's be frank, given the nature of the combat system, it can be easy to run out of applicable stunts.

>>53206174
Cool is subjective and quite relative. 1 point stunts are a gimme, anyone can get them with the least amount of effort. 2 points shouldn't be popping up on every action. If you felt particularly jazzed about a stunt feel free to make it a 2 point. Watch how many you're giving out each scene over a session or two, make tally marks or something to keep track. If you're giving out like 10 per scene that's probably too much, just 1 or 2 that might be a bit low. Obviously this depends on how cool your players were during that scene. If it was a something boring, "normal" scene then don't let that convince you you're being too harsh. Like, if the players are on fire for one scene and it spikes up to 10+ then it was probably just a pretty awesome scene.

Look at the general trends and adjust how many you are giving out accordingly.

>>53206174
Was it pretty cool? Yes/No
Is it probably the coolest thing they're gonna do this scene? Yes/No
Was it completely epic to the point where you've just basically jizzed all over your own face? Yes/No

Tally, award bonus accordingly.

making a Dawn, Supernal Melee. Which do you think is a better investment for survivability; the Ox-Body Technique branch of Resistance, or the Essence Gathering Temper branch?

>>53205202
Right now, because I know my group, I'm designing knockoffs of weapons and items from other media. One guy is a massive Ironfag so he's going to want power armor. Another loves God of War like it's fucking Gospel so I'm going to need something from that. One of the traps likes to really get into how Exalted is designed to include sex so I imagine they're going to want something porny sooner or later.

>>53206246
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>>53207159

Got it, thank you.

>>53205202
What book is Black Claw Style in?

>>53208032
The Core

>>53208064
Meant for 2E. Friends have roped me into a ridiculously heavily houseruled version of it.

>>53208148
It was an Ink Monkeys thing, I think. Might be in the ultimate collection or whatever it's called.

>>53208218
Thanks.

>>53208032
>>53208148
Check Scroll of the Monk.

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Daily reminder that Lunars will always be shit.

>>53208257
I don't know, I think the power to be Godzilla can be pretty awesome.

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>>53207220

No answer for this question, no?

>>53207220
Essence Gathering Temper. You don't need to heal if you never take damage in the first place.

>>53208499
The Ox-Body branch is great for getting initiative really fast, EGT seems to be more about offense than surviving.

Intimacies

Does it bother anyone else how much importance is placed on these?

I'm sure I've seen a few suggestions that Exalts can, at least in part, pacify roaming Demons by demanding they abide by the Yozi's surrender oaths. Am I going crazy, or do one of the books say that?

>>53209191
Nope.

In fact I think the social system is pretty swell. It actually makes you engage with a person and not just turn an entire conversation into a single roll.

>>53208537
>>53208614

So, either/or then?

>>53209262
Ox-Body gives you a chance to build up massive Initiative early in a fight and get off a decisive attack to potentially finish. The best way to stay alive is to win before they can hurt you.

So as a dawn who is sorta becoming the team medic what charms would be recommended for quick heals and patch jobs?

>>53210272
Wound Mending Care Technique and Instant Treatment Methodology.

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>>53208288

But they never get to be giant, atomic powered, fire breathing, super adaptive evolving kaiju who are damn near unkillable though.

>>53209191
Nah, I think the importance of intimacies is one of the good things about Ex3.

>>53211074
Explain. Because to me, it's the system trying to prevent players from being sociopaths who only care about things when it's convenient for them. The game weeding out That Guys will only encourage people to be lazier about policing their own groups.

Is there a Ink Monkeys pdf with all their exalted blog posts in one file?

>>53211539
There's an Ink Monkeys Ultimate Collection floating about, made by Plague of Hats. I can upload it if needed, but it might be in the OP file folders.

>>53211552
thanks I will search for it.

I used to hang out on the old WW forums back in the day; I heard Holden got fired, what's up with that? He had some good ideas but he was always a twat.

>>53211466
That's not even remotely what intimacies are, though. They're there to give some mechnanical weight to character's personalities, and to provide a foundation for a proper social influence system. The social influence system, what with actually having to account for people's desires and personalities, is one of the strong suits of Ex3. Intimacies are an important part of this system.

>>53211671
Exactly. Your XP gain increases by about 22% when you do things that are relevant to Intimacies, with the Solar Experience system. If you choose not to care, you advance slower than the players that do. I should say though, I never learned social combat in 2.x, and I don't see that changing in 3e.

>>53211466
What. I don't see how it would affect this in any way. That Guy is gonna be That Guy regardless, he'll just set abstract intimacies or sociopathic ones.
Ex3 seems to borrow heavily from CoC/Delta Green with its intimacies.

Overall I like it, primarily because it lends more weight to social scenarios when players can be trying to read intentions or cover up their own. You used to get /tg/ bait threads of people bringing up the old "What do you say to him?" when rolling social checks vs just rolling to attack in combat. I had one player also bring it up in DnD and whilst I think it's a pretty stupid comparison, Exalted's system at least brings the two closer together with Stunting and Intimacies and gets players like that to quit whining.

>>53211715
Yeah, it sure is terrible that you're encouraged to do things that make sense for your character. What exactly is your problem, here? As for not learning the social influence system, why would you decide beforehand to not learn the rules of the game you're playing?

>>53211762
Because I feel social contests shouldn't be decided with dice, at all.

>>53211724
>That Guy is gonna be That Guy regardless, he'll just set abstract intimacies or sociopathic ones.
Hell, even a proper murderhobo has intimacies he consistently follows. Stuff like "I'm gonna get rich as fuck", "Enough violence solves all problems", "Fuck [a specific group of people]", something like that.

>>53211778
Okay. Then you should just cut out the social stuff from your games, including social Abilities, Attributes and Charms. I want social characters to be viable and have a well-defined system to interatc with, though. I mean, the way strengthening Intimacies or persuading people to do anything meaningful work, you can't *just* roll dice. It's not like Ex3 social influence is just about strictly mechanical rollplaying. People should be able to play characters whose social skills are either greater or lesser than their own, and in a game like Exalted, they should also be able to play people whose social skills are just plain superhuman. For something like that to work out, a system that doesn't just amout to the ST making something up is needed.

Can A Solar Cure Ma Ha Suchi Of all his wyld crap with Order Affirming Blow?

>>53211627
He's no longer a developer. I'm not sure if he got fired or quit. He'd had some personal stuff going on for a while.

>>53205202

Bracers to make you look hot while killing people, and have onlookers love you for it:

http://howsfamily.net/Exalted/wiki/index.php?title=Perfected_Form

Reflection-themed paired swords, all about the clashes: http://howsfamily.net/Exalted/wiki/index.php?title=Twin_Mirrors

>>53213257
>Bracers to make you look hot while killing people, and have onlookers love you for it:
I'm not sure whether that's more disturbing or cool, but it's certainly both disturbing and cool.

>>53211071
Hm... what would be the closest thing to one could get to godzilla as totem?

>>53214996

Some sort of Tyrant Lizard, probably.

>>53205202
>What is Exalted?

Dead.

>>53211071
Yeah, going by what the devs have said, that sorta thing seems like an Infernals' exclusive thing in 3E.

>>53211890
Chimerism is a voluntary thing in 3e.

>>53215941
Does that matter with Order Affirming Blow?

>>53215326
Well that doesn't cover the breath thing, but it's a start.

>>53216123

You could also look into Pestletails, Ox-Dragons, and Siege Lizards (any reptile with Legendary Size, really.) but if you want fire breath, that seems something that an Elemental might have. You'll likely need to homebrew something.

>>53216311
The love child of a river dragon, a siege lizard and an electric eel should work good enough.

anybody have a backup of revlid's astrology(2e)?

>>53216311
>>53216123
>>53216951
I mean it could just be Wyld-mutated. That would be a pretty good replacement for the whole radiation thing.

>>53218329
Dragon's Breath mutation iirc? That would fit.

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>>53215829

Fuck Infernals. They shouldn't have any form of shapeshifting.

>>53218758
Shintais are a perfectly fitting part of Infernals. Lunars are and should be *the* shapeshifters, but they have their own specific flavor of shapeshifting. There is room for other splats to have some limited shapeshifting stuff without stepping on Lunar's toes.

>>53218819
2e shintai yes. 3e green dbt hell no

>>53218819

There obviously isn't room for it when anything possibly interesting (ie: Not a bog-standard animal) gets relegated to "Buh buh it's not for Lunars because Lunars have to be animinuls ownlee!".

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>>53218851

Wasn't the Infernals Preview shit-canned for being canned shit?

>>53215829
>>53218758
Reminder that everything >>53211071 said minus radioactive already applies to lunars.
>>53218758 Is right in sofar that super-adaptive shapeshifting shouldn't be part of infernals, but transhumanist evolution into something alien that kinda breaks logic at times should be well within the themes of infernals. Like malfeas charms changing how natural soak is calculated by way of fractally folding unto yourself, becoming so accustomed to running it becomes recuperative and so on.

>>53218819
Honestly, imo, an Infernal's shintai is something I've always looked at as a final boss's second form, which seems entirely fitting to their themes. So I've never seen what the issue is with Lunar fans getting pissy over it; Lunars get a broader range of functional shapeshifting while an Infernal's shintai is essentially just getting bigger and stronger. You won't see an Infernal turn into a mouse or a tyrant lizard; he'll grow horns, claws, wings, etc. but he's just going back to the same general form each time.

>>53218868
Aside from the facts that there's nothing uninteresting about animals, and that shapes themselves don't have to interesting anyways as long as you can do interesting things with themselves, Lunar shapeshifting doesn't have to be just about animals. However, the sacred hunt, or more generally having to actually acquire the shapes they use, is an importan part of Lunar shapeshifting. It's one of the actually cool, well-defined and thematically appropriate things Lunars have had in the past. They don't just turn into whatever, they turn into something whose shape they haven claimed through strength or cunning. Partial shapeshifting or mixing features of various creatures to come up with some kind of a chimera form is fine as far as I'm concerned, but that still leaves plenty of shapeshifting room for other splats.

>>53218925
>You won't see an Infernal turn into a mouse or a tyrant lizard

The problem is turning into a tyrant lizard or a mouse, traditionally, is pretty shitty. Theres really been no reason to assume most animal forms outside of the occasional mechanical trick (some of which got removed entirely in eratta's or what have you anyway), or squeezing through shit as a mouse or something equally tiny.

It's also because it's usually more beneficial to apply bonuses to yourself, than try to turn into something else entirely, because of how flaring would lock you into certain forms, which meant you couldn't spend much essence or had to somehow have a base form that wasn't complete shit. Thats why DBT was usually the go-to anything for Lunars, and why turning into other shit usually sucked balls.

tl;dr If shapeshifting were just bonuses added to your base form you'd probably have better overall Lunars, than Lunars trying to turn into Tyrant Lizards, because of how the system usually works.

>>53205202
Black jade daiklaive and black jade full plate: took crumblepunches water dragon style, cut it in half and split between the two.

Soulsteel daiklaive: took crumblepunches fire dragon style and cut a bunch of charms and refluffed it as black flame

Orichalcum chain shirt: bunch of resistance charms from an infernal homebrew

So has no one put up the antagonist pdf yet?

>>53220486

No. One guy bought it and said something about a watermark, but posted the text to pastebin.

https://pastebin.com/nWSGkM8D

>>53216057
Chimerism isn't caused by wyld taint in 3e. It's what happens when a Lunar adds a second(maybe more, we don't know yet) animal to her Spirit Shape.

>>53219024
The solution is obvious. Let the Lunar take that 2e merit that lets them use Strength instead of Dexterity for accuracy pools. That is LITERALLY all it takes for Lunars to live up to their insanely powerful warrior fluff.

>>53211627
Onyx Path didn't pay him and some other writers for cut material pulled from the core and put in the backer charms pdf, so they went on silent strike.

OP then fired them and put Vance and Minton in charge.

No one really comes off well here, apart from Vance and Minton - Vinton? Mance?.

>>53220486
Slight follow up, whens the first bestiary?

>>53211778
I feel combat shouldn't be decided with dice at all either.

That's why every conflict the game is decided by who buys Pizza next time.

Are non-wyld mutated animals with inherent magical properties, like say, furnace rhinoes, still valid targets for lunar shapeshifting in 3E?

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>>53213257
Have you put them in homebrew folder up top?


General Question: How zany / wacky do people let their Exalted games become?

Do you feel meeting Raksha and the Wyld allows you to up the goofiness and do stuff like homages and parodies?

Like "While journeying in the Wyld, you come across a small yellow bear in a red shirt, blindfolded, and meditating on top of a large beehive"

>>53211890
Would it make a good story if the PCs could do it as an afterthought if they had the right charm, and were fucked if they couldn't?

Charm or no, I'd give them several possible avenues to overcome this, as well as several contradictory hints about what's likely to happen if they do.

did infernals have some special ability to sense or recognize demons in 2e?

I feel like I had read that somewhere but didn't see it when I looked quickly

>>53221654

Yuo're probably thinking of the Unwoven Coadjutor, which is capable giving bonus dice to social rolls against demons and can detect Yozi Cultists regardless of how well they conceal themselves.

My players are attempting to open the seal of eight divinities. I know what I want one of the keys to be but I'm drawing a blank on the other 7. Any ideas?

>>53221914
What side of the Seal are they on? Are they Autochthonians or are they in Creation?

>>53221914
The only thing that springs to mind is key like objects that are easy to find themselves but need to be 'activated' by exposure to the elemental poles. That only covers 5 though. Maybe the other two are one exposed to the void and another from someone in heaven?

>>53221654
ah, found it. it was demonbloods

>>53222374

Five elements, Malfeas, Underworld, Heaven. That's eight.

>>53221914
He fled Creation because of the Solar exalted, so maybe the one of the keys is proof of the Usurpation?

And another is a crusty old God the players have to convince that #NotAllSolars are assholes.

But yeah it'd makes sense if some of the keys weren't physical objects, but concepts, moments in time, or memories.

Auto left due to the Geas being bound on Mountainfolk right? So maybe breaking the Geas would also break one of the seals?

>>53221809
thanks, I was thinking of a mix of that and the demonblood 'caste' power from scroll of heroes

>>53222474
Anon said he already had an idea for one of them. But yeah if I was ever going to run a game like that, that seems fairly thematic and suitably epic.

I don't know any way to contact the guy who does the Google Docs character sheet, so I'll post this here in case they see it :

The Socialize DB charms are missing bro! Apart from that, brilliant job, I love it.

I betcha you can't come up with a Night/Day/Scourge concept that isn't an assassin, a thief or an identity thief.

>>53223463
Now that Night Castes can have Investigation as a Caste ability? Detective, Batman-style.

Exalted shit is way too confused and up it's own ass, particularly with the many different types of exalts. I get that:

Solars = Glorious Golden Gods, classical era hero's (complete with the flaws)
Lunars = Enkidu to the Solars Gilgamesh
Abyssals = Corrupted Solars
Alchemicals = Basically exalted from a different setting where everything is technologies
Sidereal = Ching-Chong exalted who are more like wise men and tao masters from eastern mythology(?)
Terrestrial/Dragon Bloods = Mortals with some boons, the Power Rangers
Infernals = ????? Corrupted Lunars ??? (if this isn't what they are, this is what they should be)
Liminals = Frankenstein/Manmade Exalts
Exigents = Exalteds belonging to smaller gods
Getiman = What the fuck?

TOO MUCH BLOAT, WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING SHITTING THIS OUT IN THE CORE? These are all decent idea's that deserve their own books but jesus mcfuck-daniel christ, they barely have core out!

Just focus on the fucking Solars, Lunars, and Exigents! Then give the Abyssals, Infernals, and Terrestrials their own book! Then the Alchemicals, Liminals, and Sidereal!

Heaven
Corrupt/Earth
Weird unnatural shit

>>53223785
Infernals are Solars with the powers ripped out and replaced with transhuman demon shit.

>>53223785
How about, instead, you go fuck yourself.

>>53223785
>Alchemicals
>unnatural
Nigger what?

>>53218902

Infernals are a shit idea to begin with.

>>53223785
Regardless of how much he gets wrong, this anon is right. There's too many splats already. Too many EXALTED of SOMETHING. I mean what's next, Exalted of Elsewhere?

>>53224524
Do you know why 3.x/PF is such an enduring DnD edition, despite it's flaws? The sheer wealth of material players and DMs have to draw on. There's nothing wrong with having a lot of splats available, the ST doesn't have to allow them all. Most games only use one at a time.

>>53223785

While your whole post is fucked. I agree with your main point. The exalts we had back in 1e were enough. I know they need to sell books, but I just look at everything past the five basic Exalts as bloat. I'd rather have book detailing the regions, adventures etc. than this shit.

I do find Exigents to be quite a cool idea that sort of eliminates the need for more Exalted types.

Gentimen are the chosen of Fuck Fate and draw from weird fiction. It makes Sidereals less monolithic in their wheelhouse, all to the better.

Fuck yeah Sidereal cold war and civil war.

>>53224688
Couldn't you just reuse 2Es region books?

Plus obsessively detailing every part of the setting dragged 2E down

>>53224801
>Sidereals already got 99 problems
>But they need 100 to be interesting

How do Sidereals get anything done

>>53224959
1 Sidereal to each problem.

>>53224988
>Be the one Sidereal assigned to the Abyssals
>Gotta fight 100 Abyssals
>And somehow win

I'd run it.

>>53224486
you're clearly thinking of abyssals

>>53225042
no you're thinking of lunars

...tom cruse kinda sucks at acting

>>53223463

SWAT officer. Kick your fucking door in in the night, and bust your ass.

>>53223463
James Bond

>>53224590
>There's nothing wrong with having a lot of splats available

There is when the splats aren't really optional like they are in D&D. You can easily toss in or ignore everything thats not in the 3 core books in D&D.

In Exalted, it's hard to ignore shit, because everything has a place in the setting, and they're also gonna divide that everything up into at least the Core+DB's+Lunars+Sids+Abyssals. Now they want to add 3 more fucking things needed to run an essentially "complete" game.

>>53225419

And yeah, you're supposed to run Solar only games. That still creates the problem that your "Monster Manual" is divided into at least 4 other fucking books, each detailing only ONE fucking "monster" each.

>>53225419
> everything has a place in the setting

It's a big setting anon, fast means of travel or teleport have been vastly cut down on on, as well as setting-level end threats that MUST be resolved.

It's like complaining when running Forgotten Realms you absolutely need details on Sigil or Mechanus.

Getimians give Sidereals a chance to play their own isolated Fate games ala Alchemicals without having to run every other splat at once.

Plus Getimians can get all the chaos-time stuff that Sidereals are supposed to fix.

Same thing with Liminals, Abyssals and the Underworld - Liminals focus on all zombie Frankenstein themes so Abyssals can be more deathknight, and they both can fight in the underworld.

Exigents are just so you can play a cool PC or NPC exalted without having to justifiy an entire splats place in the setting - they are unique.

All of this looks like to me an attempt to splinter exalted into something like the NWOD, where you have multiple splat lines with their enemies - like Mages and the Technocracy, but you can still play them in the same game.

>>53225428
Solars are the most popular splat, so they get the most game focus, but they aren't mandatory. We just don't have the rest of the books yet.

>>53223463

Fixer.

>>53225428
>That still creates the problem that your "Monster Manual" is divided into at least 4 other fucking books, each detailing only ONE fucking "monster" each.

Dude, have you not heard of Quick Characters? Or of spirits, demons, elementals, as well as the bestiary coming out piece by piece?

It's not Exalted vs Exalted and all other NPCs suck.

Sure criticise, but actually read the 3E core first, and the OP blog on what's coming out.

Don't expect your opinions to be accurate if you're going off the 2E fan echo chamber.

Holden and Morke were shitty about open development, but the guys replacing them aren't, and have been posting lots of little previews.

>>53223463
The day caste in my game is the reverse flash

>>53225654
Did he brag about ruining his Night Caste nemesis' life from the very day he was born?

>>53225689
IT WAS ME BARMETHEUS
IT WAS ME ALL ALONG

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Woops, forgot image.

>>53221587
Laozi Pooh? Yes PLEASE.

>People talking about the new exalt types when we still literally know nothing about them

>>53221914
You know, if I was Auto-kun, I'd make damn sure the Solars ONLY manage to open the seals when they are sincerely humbled and apologetic to me.
Themetically fitting would be anything that makes sure that is the case, from using the Eye of Autochthon to offer up your own Divinity, to lifting the great Geass, really annything showing sincere sympathy.

>>53226853

Breaking a seal couldn't be that difficult if the Alch's managed to do it. They're supposed to be the "lower" tier Celestials. Or are people assuming breaking a seal from the inside is somehow easier than from the outside?

So, at what point, if any, do Resistance charms surpass armor?

>>53226920

The honest answer to that question will only come when we have some good artifact armors with a complete set of evocations to look over and compare.

That said, it currently starts being better the moment you take Resist Supernal.

>>53226915
Yes, quite literally that. The Seal of Eight Divinities was said to be impossible to unlock from the outside, once you unlocked the first 7 and as soon as you unlocked the last the first 7 would reset. Alchemicals are opening it from the inside and therefore just need to put in the correct protocols Autocthon set up to get out.

>>53223463
Catgirl Indiana Jones.

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>>53226939

"It belowings in a meowzeum."

>>53226935
Spirit Strengthens Skin costs 11 motes to match what heavy artifact armor gives passively for 6 motes.

Adamant Skin Technique lets you apply soak to Decisive attacks for 8 motes.

These charms are your actual armor replacers, the rest do other things that are useful but these two do the job of armor. Aegis of Invincible Might takes it even farther but requires a massive investment every turn to keep it going. If you got motes to burn then sure, ditch armor. If not, armor is going to do more for you than charms, simply due to the cost if nothing else.

>>53226915
Keeping the dmn solars out was the entire point of the seal, ofc they'd have aa hard time opening something made by their creator against them. The exact reason why, I think, is the eight seal being something no solar would do, at least not in the first age, something that reaffirms the solalrs as heros over the tyrants they have become in Autochthons eyes.

>>53225419
There is absolutely no reason to try and shove anything that exists in the setting into one campaign. No in-universe reason, no real-life reason.

>>53223463
Spymaster

Zoro

Detective

Secret police commander

You know, it's really not hard if you have a single shred of creativity and aren't a lazy fuckwit.

Alright /exg/, could use some help figuring out evocations for my dawn caste's artifact weapon. It's a moonsilver and orichalcum wrackstaff, which was made for an ancient martial artist (the character's past life) specifically so that it could be used with any martial art style, because the martial artist in question supposedly knew every Style in Creation and Yu-Shan and hated having to carry different weapons on him at all times (since not all styles can be practiced unarmed, like Single Point). So far, the two evocations I have for it are;

>First Evocation (and most important): The weapon can change shapes, going from its normal staff form to a hook sword or a pair of smashfists or any other weapon type on command
>The Second Evocation: The weapon can grow bigger, letting it hit enemies out to short range from the user.

Any basic ideas are appreciated, I just need an idea of what direction to take the artifact from where it is now.

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>>53223463
Someone who walks through the darkness they call home, catching the monsters that dwell therein.

>>53228811

From the looks of it, you're going with versatility, right? Maybe the Third Evocation has the weapon augment whatever Martial Arts style you're using, or allow inter-Form combos. (i.e. You can seamlessly switch between Form-type charms for no cost.)

Alternatively, it could be a big combo using multiple weapons at once, as the staff changes so rapidly and so fluidly you're hitting him with every weapon that could possibly exist.

>>53228858
Hm. Well, the first one I don't think would work, since MA Forms already refund and spend the cost of entering them towards any other forms you enter in the scene (so, if I go from a 6m form to an 8m form, I only have to pay 2m).

As for the second idea, that could work but I'd have to figure out how to make it work mechanically. Would it be a multi-attack charm? A charm to let me combo normally incompatible MA charms? Some sort of Gate of Babylon or Unlimited Blade Works kinda deal? I'd have to think about it. Making it do something where it lets me combo MA charms that wouldn't be compatible might be difficult though; my group's been hesitant about letting MA charms combo together -too- loosely.

As far as themes go, I'd say it's core themes are martial arts, versatility, and fluid shape. The way I've been viewing it is sort of like Goku's power pole but with the ability to be other things besides a staff.

>>53228961
Considering how much Exalted borrows from Dissidia, take a look at Firion's moveset.

If versatility is what your aim is, you could try giving it evocations which help set up subsequent actions. Onslaught penalties that stick around if you change form since fighting someone with a transforming weapon would be hard. Or if the third evocation is like the staff equivalent of a one-inch punch where you swing with a staff, letting you swing quickly, but it turns into, and gains the mass of, a sledge/testubo before impact, sending them away a range band. Useful in and of itself but also a perfect set up for the pole extend as well.

Maybe evocations that let you use it in a shield form to absorb damage and then unleash it later similar to MH Charge Blades.

>>53226939
sorry, catgirls are badwrongfun. solars have to be pureblood humans. even solar halfcastes(which is itself a retarded idea) almost never become solars because of their mutations

>>53229561
>solars have to be pureblood humans
They explicitly don't. Having a human soul is what matters. In this respect, catgirls, wolfmen and all manner of beastfolk are completely human.

>>53229561
the most you're officially allowed is a former catgirl who's exaltation burned her ears off leaving human features that ever so slightly hint at something feline in the point of her ears shape of the eyes and lines of her nose, and even that much is to be strongly discouraged by the storyteller 9_9

in a game that leaves a full half of the map blank and refuses to fill in many details to force you to homebrew it is bizarrely restrictive on that front

>>53224590
>There's nothing wrong with having a lot of splats available

Point of order, too many splats is what killed WOTC and caused them to be bought up by Hasbro

People forget that RPG's crashed in the 90's, hard, because of splat bloat.

>>53229662
That was only a problem because they had to keep all those splats in print. If it's digital-only/print-on-demand, there's no problem at all.

Also, WotC got hit real bad by the CCG crash in the 90s, too.

>>53224183
>>53224524
>>53224688
Great arguments anons you really convinced me with your hot opinions

This shit is all bloat.

Solars make sense

Lunars make sense

Abyssals make sense

Sidereals make sense (kind of - conceptually yes, their powers and niche is hard to encapsulate though)

Dragonbloods make sense

Exigents should be a good catch all for literally fucking everything else, and be the build a bear of exalts. Yes I am including Alchemicals, because what are Alchemicals if not just exigents of Autochton?

>>53229577
I'm pretty sure that, bith by RAW and RAI, you can create a beastman Exalt with all kind so mutations. It's just that you have to pay for those mutations, as usual.

>>53224294
They are literally machine dudes from outside creation

>>53229701
How do Lunars make sense? They're just shittier solars with "lol i so animal" in the place of "lol i so awesome". They are easily replaced with Solars.
>>53229577
Not the case in the 3rd ed, AFAIK.

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SINCE EVERYONE IS GETTING THEIR OWN EXALT

FAE EXALTS WHEN

WE CHANGELING THE LOST NOW

>>53229737
They are made by one of the guys who get to decide what counts as natural though.

>>53229752
I swear, if Liminals' Dark Mother is the Dark Mother from the Beast...

>>53229803
What, don't want to fight misogyny elementals?

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>>53229744
Lunars do have that problem of being the solars second fiddle, they're supposed to be Gilgamesh's Ekidu though, or Chiron to Hercules. Solars are cultural heroes representing civilization, Lunars are Cthonic figures. Solars are human exceptionalism, everything a person can aspire to be - Lunars are everything not human, the forces of nature personified. Pic related is a Lunar villain, flanked by Beastmen spawn.

That shit is had to represent mechanically.

>>53229752

Didn't Holden mention Wyld Exalts or some such?

>>53229848
I think the greatest problem of Lunars is that OP don't fucking know what should be the unique power of Luna. Solars mirror UQS perfectly, and that's good, since he's the Cool McAwesome 2ez4me dude; Sidereals mirror Maidens perfectly, and that's good, since they are weird, alien metaphysical super-robots of Fate; Lunars mirror Luna perfectly, and that's bad, since Luna is undecided on everything, has nothing going for her, and plays second fiddle to pretty much every other Incarna.
Well, akshually, Luna has The True Love shtick, but nothing good is done with it, really. Desus on Lilith abuse and "lol you're now tied to this land specifically since you care about it" are not good. I guess she could also cover the base of "things that could be in Creation if Titans haven't fucked it up".

And while your presentation makes sense at first glance, every non-Solar Exalted are "everything not human".

>>53229968
So what your saying is the issue is LUNA isn't really fluffed out well enough to give her thematic exalted

>>53229986
Yes. Celestials reflect their patrons with all their quirks, and that what makes Sids and Solars cool.

>It is known that Luna is not a true Celestial Incarna. It has been speculated that s/he is from the Wyld, as the moon of Creation controls the "tides" of the Wyld and the Lunar Exalted have some limited access to Raksha magic.

Why not just drop the pretense and make Lunars the fey/wylde exalted?

>>53230036
I think because that's basically TAW Lunars. Could be done at >your table, but not officially.

>>53228855
Well, I've got the NPC head watchman for my next campaign.

>>53230036

Except we already know her origin story. Oramus created a whole bunch of nightmare beasts personally, had them fight each other to the death, and had the winner eat/absorb the loser. Rinse and repeat until there's only one left and, oh hey, it's Luna.

>>53227131
I'm guessing it required the honest self sacrifice of a solar, or the extraction of their solar exaltation.

>>53230236
Her 2E origin story, though, 3E is not confirmed to be the same.

It is a pretty good story though.

>>53229848
>>53229968
The problem of Lunars is that they never had a good charm set. That's all.

A good, thematically interesting charm set will bring back Lunar into the fold. It will be the dawn of the Lunardom.

Shitty charm set is shitty. 80% of the Exalted setting is expressed through charm sets. It's the power of a splat, how they awesomesauce taste on their pizzas. Lunar pizza always tasted not really good, bland, like a bad cheese pizza. Not even a pineapple chocolate pizza, one with a carefully particular taste some people like and other hate, just the 1$ pizza with nothing but dubious cheese and some meat without taste.

Bring back the pizza in the Lunar and you will bring back the zazz.

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>>53229842
>The Dread Sarkeezan raises it's famed axe, Kokutter
>I...I perfect!
>You made one mistake, it ignores all male defenses!

>>53229701
Alchemicals are FUCKING AWESOME ROBOT PEOPLE that's what.

>>53229803

Care to elaborate on what she's like, for those of us that aren't familiar with her?

So Vance says Living Shadow Preparedness only adds successes up to the dice limit of a roll Do you agree with this ruling? Is the charm worth paying 1wp for?

>>53232314
A vague mix of two archetypes: The Mother of Beasts and The Mistress of Beasts. She subtly protects, directs and nurtures soulless humans who can manifest most ancient fears of humanity as a whole and who need to feed upon inflicting terror and psychological (sometimes, physical) torture. She tries to steer humanity away from civilization and the worship of heroes (since those are egomaniacal murderers envious of primordial horrors), and towards "the wisdom of fear".

>>53232820
Yeah. It's still worthwhile to have, especially if you can get away with full excellency-ing the roll for it and then regain all your motes before you get up to your sneaky business. Having the ability to add up to 5 guaranteed successes to a roll for no mote cost is pretty powerful.

>>53232939

So how does this tie into "Misogyny Elementals?"

>>53233183
Not him, but Beast is a blight upon NWoD. Let's not talk too much about it. It's a flawed game, born of flawed minds, trying to apple to flawed souls, from flawed premises. Exalted 3e, with all its numerous issues, is a far better game Beast will ever hope to be.

>>53233489
Has Onyx Path officially dropped Beast then, and any further supplements?

>>53233489

Oh, hang on. Isn't that the one where Gamergate is was one of the examples of an oppressive evil in society or some such rot?

For 2nd edition. Is it really necessary to spend 72 xp to reach essence 5? Like...is it better just to spend the bonus points to get essence 5 instead? Because that seems like a long time to do nothing.

>>53233560
It's the one where the sociopathic murder-happy monsters who literally eat souls are presented as victim of the society, and the people who want to put them down as psychopathic morons.

It is the one where they tried to pander to a tumblr mindset so hard it became weird, and then frankly strange, and then just ridiculous.

From a writer perspective, it's a logical move. The tumblr mindset is sociopathic, murder-happy, violent, xenophobe, racist, and just plain crazy. They decided they wanted the tumblr audience, and created a carefully laid game where the sociopathic, muder-happy, violent, xenophobe, racist, crazy people are the good guys... except that's just ridiculous as a concept, and everyone is laughing at them for that.

Do not talk about Beast. It is a silly place.

>>53233560
Beast is hilariously bad and is shat on from both sides of the political spectrum. Left wing people hate it because it seems to endorse the wife-beater mindset ("I'm hitting you for your own good!") by having the monsters do horrible shit to people to try and make them better people and portraying that as a good thing, and having almost every Hero be a gay person who was abused by their Beast boyfriend or girlfriend and then having the audacity to say that the Hero is wrong to want to fight all Beasts after getting horribly psychologically abused by one.

I've only ever seen dipshits who proudly claim themselves to be "centrists" supporting Beast. Lefties and right-wingers loathe it.

>>53233560
>>53233806
To give an example, a "Hero" is the generic enemy of a Beast, they hate the Beast because reasons, but if their compassion or whatever increases past a certain point they just...stop being Heroes and fuck off. This means that a Beast is ONLY opposed by people who are dicks, no ambiguity, no "we fight because we disagree on stuff," no, they're just assholes. Assholes for wanting to stop an otherkin from giving people nightmares that are somehow a good thing, but that otherkin will totally become the dragon they are on the inside someday, you'll see.

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>>53233980
>>53233995

So it's really just a game for, by, and about assholes?

>>53233980
>Left wing people hate it because
Because it was an uncomfortable refletion of how they really are.

>>53234086
Basically. It reeks of edginess and appeals to only a very small subset of people; those who are ostensibly liberal-centrist but will act conservative every so often (the kind of person who laughs at all the "Trump is gay for Putin" horseshit that SNL and Colbert put out, for instance). Leftists hate it because it is antithetical to actual leftist values and right-wingers hate it because it's Tumblr otherkin trash.

>>53234126
Fuck off moron

>>53229701
Abyssals are boring as piss, it should have been Infernals as the primary antagonists.

>>53234086
You play a beast.

A beast eats soul and terrifies people and murders people. This is somehow a good thing, because you're doing it for their own good. How eating people and eating souls is a good thing is never properly explained.

The people who oppose you are heroes. Heroes are MORONS and SOCIOPATHS who want to kill the kind monsters who only want to eat your souls for your own good. They are the WORST. They just want to kill you when you are just doing a favour to humanity by eating babies for their own good.

>>53233550
HELL no.

>>53234126
>I have never talked to a leftist
Here's a secret for you, anon: you can't tell the average left winger from the average right winger unless you talk specifically about politics. There's no great different in behavior, hobbies, interests, intelligence, level of education, social relationships or even life goals. Differences become apparent only when talking about the kind of large-scale, relatively abstract stuff that most people on either side of the political spectrum don't actually understand all that well.

>>53234126
Or at least a really scathing parody thereof, which at times feels like it was written BY somebody from the alt-right.

>>53233980
>I've only ever seen dipshits who proudly claim themselves to be "centrists" supporting Beast

Fuck that noise. Even if I did bring myself to enjoy the overblown presentation of both SJWs and MRAs, Beast would still be garbage because it's *also a garbage game mechanically*.

>>53234141
He hit your nerve real good lefty bitch.

>>53234145
Abyssals are boring due to lackluster execution, not because there's anything wrong with their concept. The same is true of the Underworld in general. A twisted reflection of the Creation, not so much the Creation of today as a patchwork world consisting of memories of several different eras, with eternally dying titans slumbering in the middle of it, should by all rights be an extreemly cool and interesting setting. It hasn't been so in the past editions, but it could be so without having to make any great conceptual changes. It's the same for Abyssals.

>>53234168

And I take it that the book isn't supposed by read as the personal account of a single Beast desperately trying to justify his actions as he slowly descends into the darkest depths that humanity can reach like some sort Brundlefly-esque tragic monster?

>>53233980

Pretty much. Beast is this horrible cycle of abuse that tries to play the original abuser as a good guy because the victim NEEDED abuse and says that abuse victims trying to get justice are horrible people who should just let it go.

The worst part? This is WORLD OF DARKNESS. You don't need to try to sell people on 'Beasts are good' when 'Tortured monster fighting it's own worse nature' is kinda in your wheelhouse already.

That and the beast/hero dynamic just gets more confusing the more you look at it. So beasts were all the fictional monsters who were hunted by heroes? Some of those mythical monsters are other splats, how does that factor in? Was Dracula a vampire-shaped Beast?

>>53234145
Abyssals are only a interesting a the ST allow the Underworld to be. Pure nihilism is boring, they need to have stuff beyond that.

>>53234315
Nope. Omniscient narrator voice.

Some of the writers in the fiction anthology rebelled, though, and portrayed Beasts as precisely as worthlessly reprehensible as they are.

>http://projects.inklesspen.com/fatal-and-friends/kurieg/beast-the-primordial/

Here's a mostly-good reviewer taking the thing down.

>>53234367
>You don't need to try to sell people on 'Beasts are good' when 'Tortured monster fighting it's own worse nature' is kinda in your wheelhouse already.
The problem is, IT DOESN'T DO THAT. Instead, every single page of the book is about how Beasts are good and virtuous and better than humans who should be grateful for being hounded and tortured to the point of madness or death. Beasts are objetively good and are rightfully proud of what they do. Anyone who disagrees is a big mean nazi goobergator.

>>53234289
>>53234376

Yeah, but I don't have a whole lot of hope for their iteration in 3e. There hasn't been a whole lot to work with yet, but my biggest issue is that it feels like they've been trapped in a single aesthetic, this "wow so grim such love of death" thing that really limits the amount of creative freedom you can have with them. At least the Infernals felt weird and unique, with a Malefeasian being totally different from a Defiler or the Prince of She Who Lives in Her Name.

I dunno, maybe I just have a thing for really colorful or strange antagonists, but I could never really get behind the Abyssals as much, even when I wasn't running games.

>>53234367
>You don't need to try to sell people on 'Beasts are good' when 'Tortured monster fighting it's own worse nature' is kinda in your wheelhouse already.

Pretty much.

I'd gladly play a tormented beast trying to fight against his own impulse to devours people, fighting everyday against the eldritch abomination that is calling your, demanding of you SLAUGHTERS and BLOODS and MURDERS.

I'd play gladly play an anti-villain, one who is only here to be killed by heroes. One who understand that it is on the bottom of everything humanity as to offer, who hate itself, and only want it to end.

A sympathetic murderer who is somehow absolutely right? What the fuck?

>>53234434

Oh yeah, that was exactly my point. They could have made them tortured monsters and a lot (But far from all) of the issues would instantly vanish as now they are the monsters they very clearly are.

So if I'm getting this straight, Beast: The Primordial has been about as well received by the WW fanbase as if they published:

Nazi : The Reichening
or
School-Shooter : The Sociopathy

>>53234434
The book does try to say that there are some Beasts who do just feed as they will without regard for "teaching lessons", but the problem is that there's not nearly enough of a delineation between feeding to "teach a lesson" and just feeding.

>>53234494

>Nazi : The Reichening

We call that Charnel Houses of Europe.

>>53234494
>Nazi : The Reichening
>or
>School-Shooter : The Sociopathy

The difference is that both of these sound like they'd be Rocky Horror Picture Show bad, while Beast is Star Wars Holiday Special bad.

>>53234494
i'd play the school shooter one, but only if i could shoot people for their own good.

>>53234586
When you end a life, anon, you're always doing it for their own good.

I don't say that because I already killed people and hidden their bodies and were never found. It never happened.

Just know that killing people is always a mercy kill.

>>53231267
Well, they way I see it, the ingredients for a pizza are taken from Incarna/some other patron deity. Shitty, bland Incarna = shitty, bland pizza.

>>53234289
>patchwork world consisting of memories of several different eras, with eternally dying titans slumbering in the middle of it

I've always seen the Underworld as an immense mass grave and communal refuse pit of worlds.

Oblivion at the bottom, and then the Neverborns tombs floating above it, then old ghosts and lands precariously on the tombs starting from the distant past until meeting the Shadowlands at the present day. The Labyrinth forms the sides of the pit and is in the same places the Wyld would be.

That's why almost nothing is left of Primordial age in Creation - it's been dislodged by the shifting of the tombs and been obliterated. Same with the primordial world bodies - they were dumped in the pit.

Cracks form in the layers of the grave and allow ghosts to adventure down, and spectres to crawl up. In the middle of creation the layers are supported the least and it is possible to fall from a shadowland straight to the Mouth of Oblivion. Or Glide.

>>53234451
>There hasn't been a whole lot to work with yet, but my biggest issue is that it feels like they've been trapped in a single aesthetic, this "wow so grim such love of death" thing that really limits the amount of creative freedom you can have with them.

To be fair they tried modelling their charms after the Deathlords, but ran into the Lover ravish/rape ghost thing.

I'm guessing they are keeping schtum about it until they have their full attention on the Abyssal splat book, and they've got a good picture of the 3E fanbase to avoid stepping on people's toes.

>>53234553
>Star Wars Holiday Special bad.
You know after that cringe I'm surprised Lucas made the prequels with Yes-man. I'd have that burned in my brain for the next 30 years as an example of what happens when I'm given complete creative control.

>>53234761
Luna killed 30 eldritch abominations alone in 1v1. She is the most powerful seductress of creation, she can withstand literally everything, and she can one shot kill menaces that the UCS can't because he is too virtuous. She is not bland.

Lunars are. Lunar charmsets are. From an immortal incarnation of sex and destruction to solar charms but worst. Just give them a good charmset, and people will like them again.

Look at TAW. I do not agree with it 100%, but it certainly succeeded at making Lunars interesting.

>>53234882
Maybe we are the problem at this point.

The fanbase has so many conflicting visions of what Lunars should look like that we are impossible to please.

Plus you just know assholes are going to complain no matter what that they are silver solars/infernals/alchemicals/furries,

>>53234289
Sounds a bit like the Throne outskirts in Kill Six Billion Demons.

>>53234993
There are certainly worse sources of inspiration for Exalted than K6BD.

>>53234882
I always say Luna as TWS Bucky to UCS's Cap. He's the hero, she's the black ops assassin who does the dirty work to he doesn't have to.

>>53234863
>To be fair they tried modelling their charms after the Deathlords, but ran into the Lover ravish/rape ghost thing.
Call me a teen edgelord, but that charm was as old school gothic horror as it could be. Seems like a very fitting thing for new Abyssals to have.

>>53235026
There is a significant overlap in the fanbases yes, although the creator hasn't played it.

I'm really hoping they can get him to illustrate the infernals / hell / Wyld books

>>53235079
I agree mate. I fucking love those charms. I heard about the backslash far before I read those charms, but those charms are fucking great. Really fucking the best.

>>53235079
>>53235101

Well yes out of context its fine.

But then you have 2E mind control social charms, 2E Desus wife beating rapist and 2E Infernal/Lilun hunkering over the whole thing.

Remember the whole thing with Something Awful taking the worst sex parts of Exalted? That had happened relatively recently.

I'm hoping that with time and 3E standing on its own they can do something with the Abyssal splatbook without bringing back those shitdark associations.

>>53235136
>Remember the whole thing with Something Awful taking the worst sex parts of Exalted?
Yet more proof that Something Awful is fucking cancer and should be purged in fire. Or at least summarily ignored.

>>53235136
>2E mind control social charms

Circlejerking. The books don't really make a point about using your mind control charms to get the cute DB to suck your cock. It is pretty mild, very tame. Even 'sex' charms are incredibly tame.

Add 8 years of circlejerking and suddenly every Solar is a sex god.

>2E Desus wife beating rapist

Secondary, incredibly secondary, so much that almost everyone knowing Exalted won't know about Desus. The one who will will find that it's a pretty cool and horrible backstory. There's 0.01% of the Exalted fans who will shit about Desus. Circlejerking again.

>2E Infernal/Lilun hunkering over the whole thing.

Literally, personally, I have never heard anyone bitching about Lilun but the official forums with 45 years old neckbeard circlejerking about the strangest shit.

The proportion of people caring about dick sucking 2e mind control charms, Desus, and Lilun is literally minuscule, and most usually virgins who should get a life. It is a sad day when WW needs to pander to virgin neckbeards.

>>53235247
Sure but those circlejerking neckbeard virgins can be VOCAL, and I can see why OP didn't want a new line launch to be tainted by them.

It just takes tumblr picking it up and nailing it onto RPGs are sexist and you've tainted the impression for all your potential new players.

Leave it for the splatbook.

>>53234882
>she can one shot kill menaces that the UCS can't because he is too virtuous
Huh? Where was that bit? Must've missed that.

Nevertheless, I just can't see what she can do that's impossible for UCS to do. She may have killed 30 abominations, but he kicked a Primordial out of Creation. He can certainly withstand anything with his Aegis, and the whole world was drawn to him and could have burnt out because he was so perfect in every way.

He sits on his Ultimate Raw Power perch pretty well, and trying to oust him serves nothing. Other Incarnae need to do shit that's utterly impossible for him and not because of his self-imposed limits, and shapeshifting as it is now just doesn't cut it: it's primarily way to gain some more raw, direct power, which cannot really compete with his.

And TAW has its own vision of Luna and of Lunars, which is closer to the Wyld Exalted of an exceptionally powerful Raksha noble than to what we have.

>>53235080
He's drawing from sources that inspired Exalted itself, so it's not that surprising.
I feel bad that I'm not reading all that shit

>>53235321
I think it was an Ink Monkey thing, TUS had some kind of deal with a Fae noble that let it steal his power as they fought, but Luna could still kill it.

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>>53235321
>Huh? Where was that bit? Must've missed that.

There's a bigger, badder Raksha, a master Raksha, which you'll need to ask me the name later because I am quite inebriated, but there was that Raksha.

And then the UCS was like 'I love everyone'.

And then the Raksha was like 'I am like your biggest love, I am made for you'. She was a whore obviously.

And then the UCS was like 'I can't kill that eldritch abomination, because she looks like my love, I am virtuous, and I don't kill girls. Especially if I love her.'

And then Luna was like 'LOL don't care faggot' and she one shotted that eldritch abomination who was 1s away from destroying Creation.

Picture unrelated. Some faggots liked to post Godzilla girls, so I post one too.

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>>53235348
Fine let's all post Exalted / K6BD images

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>>53235531

>>53235429
Ah, the story when UCS fell in love with a mortal girl, she died of old age, and that made him sad. Sad enough that when a Raksha wearing her face strolled up to Creation, UCS just become its bitch-boy, etc...

Dunno, maybe I'm just too disappointed in Luna and Lunars and too invested in muh own vision. After all, right now they are the Exalted of Do Whatever The Fuck You Want, and that's sufficient to have a niche.

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>>53235531

Who is best Alchemical and why is it vid related?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ihIJ1UZAVk

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>>53235715
Is that a Jojo reference?

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>>53235715
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>>53235728
That's what I was talking about

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>>53235904
I imagine this could look like dealing with a Third Circle soul.

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>>53235936
And this is more like a general Malfean scene.

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>>53234086
>>53234168

http://projects.inklesspen.com/fatal-and-friends/kurieg/beast-the-primordial

Ok I just read this review of it, and apparently
>So it's really just a game for, by, and about assholes?

Is completely accurate - and Heroes are human assholes made so by the Beast arseholes.

It should be renamed
High School Drama: Otherkin

Anyone got an edit of this image like the Lunars one?

>>53235998
>>53235936
>>53235904
>>53235728
>>53235651
Is this actually worth reading? The setting looks cool as fuck, but I'm really wary of western comics/web comics, since everything I've read has either jumped the shark hard or lost sight of what originally made it good.

>>53236733
>since everything I've read has either jumped the shark hard or lost sight of what originally made it good.

Well that could be said to be a risk for every long running series - like Bleach or Liar Game.

But so far it's solid gold and updates twice weekly. There's usually a thread in /co/ about it.

Some characters grate in the first "book", but they tend to settle down as the author got audience feedback.

>>53236688
Oh, also from the review - Beast is basically the embodiement of 5 social geek fallacies - basically we're all outcasts so lets accept and not reject everyone, not matter how toxic they are.

http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html

Anyone got links to Clutch of Dragons and the Alchemical 3e homebrew?

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>>53236808
Whoops forgot the image

So, /exg/. Tell me of your coolest Alpha-Strikes.

>>53237393
I play a song that reminds the villain of his childhood when life still had hope before the battle starts. Literally top tier.

Is there a martial arts style that's all about taking cheap shots and generally fighting like a total cad?

>>53237858
Minmaxing?

But seriously I don't get why such a style would be passed along - what character wants to learn a style that makes you look like a cad?

Oh that's just Solar Bob, he trained at the dojo for douchebags


I guess if it was one aspect of a greater style theme?

>>53237927
>what character wants to learn a style that makes you look like a cad?
The kind that doesn't care what people thinks of him as long as he can win fights.

>>53237964
How is that any different than choosing he mechanically best style and being a dick?

>>53237964
Honestly, I'd say regular brawl works best for someone like that. No fancy forms or moves or whatever, just straight knuckles against teeth.

>>53237858

Fist Pulse style in 2e was a TMA that did exactly that. It emulated street fighting.

>>53237858
Black Claw Style. It'll make you look like the defenseless little thing that kicked the big guy in the nuts in self defense.

>>53233183
the writers were nuts and anybody who didn't like them was some redpill mra shitlord and anybody who criticized their work was taking a personal shot at them, and any discussion was (nonconstructive)criticism

>>53237858
I wish 2e infernals had a second hero style for gsp like that, the infernal monster thing is more of about being an akuma

>>53229752

Would not surprise me at all.
Eventually, even Behemoths will get Exalted. And as an anon said, they'll probably come up with some Elsewhere Exalted just to fuck with us.

>>53240238
Fuck Infernal Monster in its ugly bootleg-Malfeas face. If you're gonna make Hellish martial arts, make them appropiately esoteric and strange, rather than ham-fisted shit about how big and bad evil you are. How about a style based on the grace and might of the Brass Dancer?

>>53234494
>Nazi : The Reichening
actually, I think I would play that

>>53237858
That's the fluff for Dark Messiah Style. I think it has a charm that has you go for their eyes,

>>53240415
you know where /pol/ is
alternatively, you can play a paladin in 3.5 d&d and rouse good volk against subhuman CE races.

>>53240524
boo

>>53240382
it was 'gorol the solar akuma of malfeas' style, not infernal hero style, and thats sad

>>53234471
>>53234367
Isn't this Changeling already though? like Changelings feed on people emotions and try to inspire strong feelings to feed on, and what feelings they feed on depends on their court?

Beast is really just a really, really shitty version of Changeling with any of the nuance or moral ambiguity taken out

>>53234718
We all deserve to die.

Tell ya why Mrs. Lovitt, tell ya why.

Because the lives of the wicked should be made brief.

For the rest of us, death would be a release.

And i'll never see Joanna again...

>>53234882
>Luna killed 30 eldritch abominations alone in 1v1. She is the most powerful seductress of creation, she can withstand literally everything, and she can one shot kill menaces that the UCS can't because he is too virtuous. She is not bland.

So she's a mary sue who literally outsues the GOD of being a Mary Sue

>>53235531
>Fine let's all post Exalted / K6BD images
So all of them? like just dump the whole comic?

Whens the first bestiary and what are the chances of a third circle demon?
I want to summon that golden lantern district demon and fuck it

>>53241188

Do you really need stats to fuck the Unconquered Loli?

>>53235651
That has to be my favourite page in the entire book. "And he smote their ruin across that dead city."

>>53241241
No but it would be nice. Also I just want some demon to fill out the sex demon line that started with Neomah then went to Mara.

>>53241271

Erembour is the next step. Being described as "unquestionably one of the finest existing instructors in the arts of love" and sometimes summoned just for that reason.

>>53240823
Sol Invictus is the god of all possible perfection. Luna is the goddess of the impossible.

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So why don't Sidereals have Iconic/Totemic Anima Banners? It just seems weird and arbitrary to remove them, yet the SIdereals presented in in The Scroll of Exalts have them.

>>53242085
After affects of the mask being broken maybe. Though Im curious, where does it say they dont have iconic animas?

>>53240823

consider suicide if you think calling something a mary sue in a fucking EXALTED thread is even worth a fragment of the cognition taken to write that fucking post

>>53241188

I need this image, for reasons

>>53242085
>>53243010

If you are a superspy, do you really want an unchangeable anima that allows you to be told apart from every other sidereal of your caste?

Of course there's only 19 others so

Do lunars get charms to change their anima to match other exalts?

>>53243010

Page 549 of the Core. It was like that in other editions as well.

>>53245617

>do you really want an unchangeable anima that allows you to be told apart from every other sidereal of your caste?

A redundant question, don't you think? Night Castes can't change their Anima Banner either, because if you're in a situation where you've gone iconic you're cover is blown. Besides, Arcane Fate dictates that no one is likely to remember you face. [Type] Exalt Ways in Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Style allows you to mimic the Anima Banner and Effects of other Exalts.

If I tell a bound demon to take me to Malfeas, can they just warp back with me in tow or are we gonna have to find a portal the hard way?

>>53247506
If it has a charm that lets it hurry home with passengers.

I'm making a character (zenith necromancer) who's very physically attractive in most respects, but who due to backstory shenanigans has a mass of lash marks on her back and terrible burn scars up to her elbows, from an incident where she plunged her arms into boiling oil.

How should this be represented Appearance-wise?

>>53248473
If your ST hasn't fixed the BP/XP split, appearance 1

>>53247968
Most demons in 3E Core can't travel to Malfeas with Hurry Home, only to their summoner's side.

>>53229803
The Liminals preview came out way before Beast.

Beast itself is an immense source of schadenfreude for me. After all, it was made by good, progressive, uncontroversial devs, it employed the sacred hype/marketing tool that was open dev, and they totes promised to change anything the fandom didn't like about it, how noble of them!

And then somehow, Exalted turned out to be really good anyways, while Beast is undeniably the biggest blight in new-new WoD.

>>53235155
Daily reminder that SA knowingly let a child molester run their forums for years.

>>53235079
>>53235136
>>53235247

I think if you have a game about incredibly glorious heroics you need incredibly grotesque villainy.

Plus, I think Exalted really needs to stay rooted in it's ancient mythology feeling more (seeming to be losing a lot of that is my main problem with 3e so far), and there's a ton of weird sex stuff in ancient mythology. Remember Set and Horus? With the lettuce? And them uncle and nephew.

Plus this might be edgelord of me to say but it kind of adds verisimilitude for me. Considering what terrible things ordinary humans have done in real life history, a setting with immensely powerful, passionate human/humanlike beings who have their flaws magnified alongside everything else will for sure end up with horrible shit happening. If there wasn't some hint of this stuff, that would be unrealistic.

Plus I think the response to the sex stuff in particular is partially a symptom of a culture that villainizes sexuality. That section of the populace that treats rape as worse than murder without thinking of what they imply by that, who go "yeah trapping someone's soul into an eternity of restless agony in a cold void-metal by inflicting horrible physical, mental and spiritual tortures until their will breaks forever is fine, but I don't even want to HEAR about someone slipping someone a magical roofie".

>>53251263

Probably because people are more comfortable with horrific violence because of their cultures, rather than rape. Rape's been vilified for centuries, while violence, well...Hasn't.

Also honestly, no one wants to see another fat fuckin' neckbeard toss out a rape scene at a table. That shit's just awkward, bro.

>>53251699
Yeah I can just see some shitty ST somewhere thinking "Sure my NPC makes my players uncomfortable, and molests their characters but he's a villain, so it's OK!"

Remember there's a huge difference between literature and collaborative roleplaying.

Imagine being stuck in an anonyous house in the suburbs somewhere while the ST or another player starts roleplaying molesting your character. And your pickup is still 2 hours away.

Much different than reading a book and deciding not to continue with it because it's just not for you,

>>53251699
>>53251861

You can include stuff without going into detail with it. Like, if you're deliberately running a horror game and your players are fine with it go ahead, and if they're not fine with it you can just abstractly say what happens. You shouldn't have to just throw it out completely, which is what I feel like I see people saying.

>>53251263
>That section of the populace that treats rape as worse than murder without thinking of what they imply by that
You mean feminists?

What if instead of summoning a couple blod apes to safely smuggle my kid out to my brother's safehouse I summon Octavian?

>>53252448
Remember to explicitly tell him to not conquer the lands between your place and your brother's.

>>53252448
Well if he conquers the city and all the lands between it and the safehouse no-one would suspect he's doing it for Mistress's child! Plus the kid's GOT to be safe in an army.

It's the perfect plan!

>>53247262
I mean night now have the iconic also makes the person perfectly unrecognizable deal.

>>53248473
Well you see clothing is a thing so you could have a respectable appreciate 3 or possibly 4 but work out with the ST that if you are working without clothing people should react as such. You could even be one of the rare few *cough* any exalt ever *cough* who makes scars look more mysterious and alluring than vomit inducing

>>53252996
i don't know, everyone in my circle is unscarred, its pretty great

>>53250839
>good
>progressive
Now, I'm not going to say to pick one, because they're not always mutually exclusive, they just...usually are.

>>53251699
That's why I have a PbP site.

>>53252996

I want to circumvent the cool/attractive scars cliche, though. Is there no merit/flaw that would cover "take a penalty/gain a bonus to Appearance when showing/covering part of your body"?

Also, what's the general interaction between scarification and Exalted? I gather that Exalted will just heal most scars, the way they heal most crippling injuries short of actual dismemberment, but if I read the implications of how lunar tattoos are described to work, an Exalt can keep a scar if it has somehow become part of their identity? Like, a scar that has significance as a mark of honor or shame, or was from a critical injury dealt by a personally important enemy during some climactic moment, that will stay, while the scar from bonking your head against a corner of the wall because you tripped over a yu-shan curb while drunk on celestial wine will fade no problem. Is that right?

>>53253569
You could talk to the St and work on a sort of switch hitter hideous merit that had a cost since it can be turned on and off?

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Am I the only one who has never really known what the fuck to do with or think of the Fair Folks? I mean sure, conceptually they are cool: alien fey from the outside primordial chaos who look super freaky and beautiful at the same time. Sure, that's cool.

The thing is, the writers never really figured out wtf their deal was over the course of what is now three (and a half?) editions. Are they beings of pure chaos who hate all concepts? If so why do they have a society and caste? Are they just 'alien people who feed off humans'? Are they cthulhu and nyarlathotep wearing elf cosplay? Or are they sentient stories and a walking pretentious postmodern diatribe with unplayable mechanics? I'm genuinely confused as to what even would be the ideal concept for them. Perhaps it would just be better to never flesh them out and leave them all weird and fancy because any explanation will come off as muddled and confusing.

>>53253742
I think that's the idea, they can't be strictly defined, so much of what they are and what they can do is a matter of opinion.

>>53253804
They aren't PCs so they can be whatever the ST wants them to be.

>>53253742
I found them a bit odd too. They're clearly based on old school "evil" Fey. Like Unseelie style. But the whole "destroy Creation" thing makes it weird when they're chilling in Great Forks or wherever.

I think its best to just make them weird and unpredictable. Imagine how humans might be viewed by the Watership Down rabbits. Sometimes humans are nice, sometimes they hate you and poison you or hunt you. But most of the time you're just getting in the way when they come to pave your shit with a new Wyld parking lot.

>>53254523
They're not monolithic, some Fair Folk might want to undo Creation so the Wyld can go back to being timeless, but they're not all going to agree. I doubt it's even possible for them to have a unanimous opinion on anything.

When you run a game, do you make changes to accommodate the players, or expect players to adjust their characters to suit the campaign?

>>53253569
Flaws are designed to be customized. Just take it up with your ST that you could have one which penalizes you if people can see your scars if you're trying to influence.

Exalts can scar from grievous wounds, from memory. It probably applies more if you were scarred prior to exaltation. Remember Solars are walking legends, if the scars are a part of your story it just works.

I think even ghosts are described as often fairly alluring despite bearing the marks of their death. A Solar can probably pull it off too.

>>53233774
Did anyone have any insight to this? I am really curious because it is better to buy up to essence 5 with experience. I do think that it is a waste of 72 experience and a lot of downtime doing essentially nothing?

>>53255164
Getting E5 at chargen is only useful if you want to get charms that actually use it. Example, Glorious Temple Body, passively adds (Essence) to your feats of strength, move speeds, and jump distance for no cost, it's a permanent upgrade. Otherwise, it's not worth the cost IMO.

>>53233774
>>53255164

You can only get up to Essence 3 with bonus points.

If you want to skip downtime, IIRC 2nd Edition allows characters to instantly buy an increase in Essence when they complete their Motivation, IF they have the xp on hand.

>>53254648
A bit of A, a bit of B.

>>53255263
I believe you have a very good point there, but I don't think there are many charms at character gen you could get that make use of essence like that. Glorious Temple Body is arguably one of the best examples for what you said I think.

>>53255341
I did not know you were limited to essence 3 with bonus points. Does it say that anywhere specifically? I've seen people break that rule if it is a thing.

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Running a campaign in the West, any ideas for cool encounters or islands the players could find? They're gonna be traveling a long distance soon, need ideas for stuff they can run into between where they are and their destination (which is a couple thousand miles away currently).

>>53256190

an island of a single lunar's descendants, all catgirls, with a few catboys thrown in for reproductive sensibility. see which player wants to adopt them first.

>>53256190

I made the skeleton coast about the last week in March for a thread.

>>53256190
I don't read a lot of Shonen manga but....go look at One Piece for inspiration? It's about super powered weirdoes on boat and islands surely there is a lot of shit to milk out of it.

>>53228225
>no real-life reason
to purposely frustrate yourself in order to fell justified when you go online to rant about how the game sucks and that everything devolves into a clusterfuck because there's too much shit in too many books?

I mean, I'm not saying that's a -good- reason or anything, just that it's -a- reason.

>>53250839
>>53253157

Ironically, despite it all, I swear the more I hear about Beast the more it seems like it would be something the progressive crowd would be up in arms against rather than for, I mean, let's say you buy into the idea that "Beasts are totes a metaphor for being gay/trans/[Minority of Choice]/whatever!" then that means the game is basically saying members of that group are literally inhuman monsters that go around causing and feeding off of suffering while justifying their abusive actions by in essence saying "Bitch had it coming" I don't remember if it was here or on another site but the best nicname I've heard called it "Abuser: The Victim Blaming" which honestly seems pretty fitting.

>>53259663

from ancient recall, that'd have... warrior giants, dinosaur island, and candy island? it might work.

Yet more movement on Arms of the Chosen. It's now in Editing, and also in Art Direction, with artnotes to arrive.

>>53256190
Infant storm spirits that play hell with the rigging but only because they like watching Exalts fight things.

>>53262320
I guess it might actually be out when the devs said it would. Damn.

So, do you think evocations will replace magitech?

>>53262515
In which way you mean?

>>53262574
Magitech used to be how the Exalted expressed power via advance artifice. Articulated plate and daiklaves were basic tools, virtually nothing compared to celestial battle armor and essence weapons. Warstriders, airships, the Shrike. But with evocations you can add comparable power to normal weapons. Volcano Cutter is arguably more useful than a heavy essence cannon, Dauntless is comparable to some power armor, do you think the devs will use this to avoid adding magitech to 3e?

>>53262320
No movement on scion sadly. Which I can never tell to talk about here or /wodg/

>>53263186

Scion is still early on in development though

>>53263569
I mean, there have been a decent number of previews at this point. It looks like its well along the way. Hell it was supposed to come out in May, they said in an update in march I think that it wouldn't make that date, but they thought it was only going to be a few more months at most.

>>53262665

I consider magitech as a term kinda pointless.

I mean even in 2e you could make non-techy artifacts that gave a lot of powers similar to magitech as well

>>53225060
no you're thinking of your mom

>>53260908
no fair! my answer was going to be autism

Are there any good exalted fanfictions or comics or anything. I finally know the pain that is the stalling of keychain of creation so I'm looking for other things

>>53263186
Honestly, the Storypath stuff should have its own general.

>>53264214
>Are there any good exalted fanfictions or comics or anything.
No.

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>>53264214
There's god kicking boot, chorus of the neverborn, kill six billion demons (no really), 35 worm/exalted crossovers of various quality (it got me into worm, was a decent read), Cast In Gold (6/10), Glorious Shotgun Princess (4/10) and its spinoff (6/10), A Green Sun Illuminate the Void (9/10 would read again).

>>53248473
Pick a number and go with it. Low Appearance? You're physically uninteresting, not even repulsive. High Appearance? You're like that girl from Katawa Shoujo. High Appearance and the Hideous Merit? You're actively repulsive to everyone around you.

are integrity or dodge ever rolled or is it just used to calculate dv?

>>53234471

they don't even really need to do /that/ either. just make the beast full evil and drop the "heroes need to quit oppressing me" victim complex bitchfest

>>53254588
in fact, they have ALL the opinions.

Do you have to enter a martial arts form to use generic martial arts ability rolls with a martial arts form weapon? for example, learning wood dragon doesn't let me take normal bow shots with martial arts right? because that seems silly but someone at my table is trying to base their character off it.

>>53267191
As far as I'm aware that's perfectly fine. Admittedly I've yet to actually find a group, but I don't see the problem*.

*assuming wood dragon has bow as one of it's weapons, as I can't check the book right now.