Are Western or Eastern dragons cooler?

>>53186879
Western ones are actual dragons by our definition

Eastern are more of serpents or wyrms.

They both have their place.

they're both fine, whatever

>>53186879
Generally, Northern dragons are cooler, because climate and stuff.

>>53186934
I laughed

>>53186934
Now go far enough south and the weather is just as cold. On earth there is just a lot less population and useable land in the southern artic equivalent. In a serting with more Antarctic population, would people think of the south as the north?

>skub

>>53186879
I'd say western dragons as I prefer some sense in verisimilitude

but the eastern do really seem to go crazy fun with their designs, when they don't go full mecha at least

variety is the key to my heart and westerns are losing it

>>53186915
Eastern dragons are closer to corporeal spirits than anything else, some of them don't even have any reptilian characteristics

>>53186879
I prefer western ones much more. Eastern ones are basically spiffed up snakes.

>>53186879
Western dragons because of the heroism involved in slaying them.
Eastern dragons just sorta get cooked goose and trick peasants into thinking hieroglyphics but shit are somehow acceptable as language.

Western Dragon tend to be animals or evil spirits, while Eastern Dragons end up more like Gods.
Even being a Weeb I tend to prefer Western Dragons, honestly, more like I could possibly share a world with them.

BotW dragons are pretty awesome though.

>>53186921
/agree

>>53186879
Yes.

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>>53186879
Western dragons tend to be animalistic monsters, at least until Tolkein got his hands on them; St George wasn't getting a conversation out of that oddly tiny thing. Eastern dragons tend to be intelligent. With copious amounts of "depends on the setting", I prefer the sort that you can talk to.

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>>53188117
Hilariously enough, Tolkien dragons were very serpentine.
You could almost call them winged snakes with limbs.

>>53186879
>depends on the setting

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>>53188645
That fits if he was more interested in Eastern-style dragons than Western-style. Seriously, no one is impressed with you, Georgie. Look on yonder maiden. Verily, she too is unimpressed.

>>53188117

Fafnir could talk. Then again, he was a dwarf that had been transformed into a dragon.

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>>53188832
Shit, even St George and the dragon look unimpressed in that picture.

>>53188832

Geeze, that thing even has butterfly wings. St. George, thou truly art a dick.

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>>53186879
>using skyrim's wyvern posers as an example of western dragons

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Best Dragon coming through

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>>53186879
Western.
>>53189281
Agreed.

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>>53189341
Fuck you Grigori, I want my heart back

>>53186879
I say both. Variety is good.

You came from that /v/ thread didn't you OP?

>>53188117
Dragons in Slavic fairy tales usually talk.

>>53186879
Not similar enough except by the vaguest of standards to reasonably compare them to each other.

One is a either a monster or an ancient eldritch being at most akin to a demigod that exists almost exclusively within the entertainment industry, with the great exception being Satan misinterpreted as some kind of dragon or snake-like beast. The other is most frequently actually part of someone's religious beliefs (inb4 edgy teens try to equate religion to the entertainment industry) and represents ideas or concepts more often than an actual creature.

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>>53188117
>>53188832
It's symbolism, dumbass. Satan is a bitch nigger compared to the might of the Lord.

>>53188851
The dragon looks more pissed that George is shoving a spear down his throat.
>Dude, the fuck?

>>53186879
BotW dragons aren't cool because you get jack shit from them

>>53189517
Doesn't make for a good story though, does it? A knight called George kills a dragon, and that's the famous thing that he does, and he's canonized for it. Having the dragon be a pitiful little thing does not fit that narrative.

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You want a dragon that eats a whole village and has mountains of treasure in its lair? A dragon that breathes fire and is a force of destruction and awe? A dragon that is physical and somewhat obeys the laws of physics? Take a western dragon.

You want a dragon that protects a village? A dragon that masters the elements in a magical way? A dragon that cannot be beaten, but outsmarted? A dragon that shits on the laws of physics and "swims" in the sky? Take an Asian dragon.

Both are good, but I prefer the latter because there's already a lot of flying death machines in fantasy as it is.

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>>53186879
>Are Western or Eastern dragons cooler?

They're both equally as awesome and cool, but for different reasons.

I like how Eastern Dragons can spit out water, lightning, and just in general have all sorts of weather powers and they make PEARLS.
DRAGON PEARLS sound like the kind of treasure I want to steal- I also really like how there's this wiggle room on Snakes, Carp, Turtles, etc, all having the potential to turn into Dragons if they get old enough or what have you.

Western Dragons are cool because they breath fire, poison, etc and hate christianity and in the same sense still represent nature and the wild the western world didn't want.
I dunno, I can't remember many western dragons to be quite frank with you- I think they got drunk on milk? And some guy killed one with armor covered in spikes?

I remember Russia used to be ruled by multi-headed Dragons (whom had crowns and everything), but Cossacks kept figuring out ways to kill them and steal their land, like, they'd literally house-invade them in their palaces and murder them.

>>53189679
>>53188832

You gotta step into my boy G's shoes to understand his plight.
You're a knight of the lord raised up to believe the devil takes many forms to get ahold of the earth, and then you see what essentially is a komodo dragon that can actually run like a sprinting crocodile and presumably (depending on the painting) can also fly. What if he could melt his armor and char his skin with poisonous breath?

That sounds like a very intense tale, the fact that he's always depicted as impaling him straight away makes it even more awesome, if you imagine it as some sort of "do or die" situation.

I think we're just numb after powercreep in media in general.

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>>53186879

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>>53189281
>using winged, non-serpentine posers as dragons

>>53188856
Honestly medieval dragons were meant to be scary due to a sort of cosmic horror of being the devil's external additions to god's design, and thus being deformed, purposeless amalgamations of scary creature parts.

>>53189927
DaveB pls

>>53188832
>>53188856

No see, the dragon was legitimately large and threatening, but after my man George busted its teeth in he decided that a holy beating wasn't enough, so he had every make it look like a bitch in art so that even its reputation got wrecked.

>>53191008
I feel like this image is biased.

>>53191083
Thats because it is.

Just looking at the physical traits gives it away.

>look at this loooong list of different animal parts so much more creative am I right?

>wow look at this western dragon. It only has two (four) physical traits listed and we shall ignore the rest

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>>53191008
> Mouse-like tail
If you're going to be unsubtly biased then at least don't start making factually incorrect shit up.

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>>53186879
west

I just love me a good proper murder lizard

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>>53191008
Actually now that I look again all of those animal comparisons are just wrong.
I don't have an appropriate 'You're an incalculable idiot' reaction image so have this dragon instead.

>>53189558
Have you trued shooting theur horn with an arrow?
best way to farm rupees by far

For realism, I'd go with the western dragons.

For fantasy escapism, I'd go with eastern dragons.

By the way, for me western dragons are best as intelligent beasts, not these Smaug "I am death" types. Giant fire breathing beasts that are attracted to shiny things. I'm happy with that.

>>53189558
BotW dragons are legitimately some of the coolest dragons I have ever seen. Seeing Farosh's massive serpentine body erupt out of Lake Hylia and wind up into the sky with absolutely no warning was one of the most amazing experiences I've had in a video game. It sparked a sense of wonder in me that I haven't felt since I was a kid.

Plus if you shoot them you get scales and horns and shit that you can use for quests and Elixirs.

>>53189341
It kind of diminishes your dragon's menace when you give him a normal ass name like Gregory. What's next? Tanner the Lich. Devin the Pit Fiend?

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>>53188832
>>53188851
>>53189523

It was some wierd medieval art standard, for some reason everyone had to look bored and indifferent becausen they weren't into individual emotional expression until the Renaissance.

>>53191990
Tim the Enchanter?

>>53186879
>Are Western or Eastern dragons cooler?
They're both retarded as shit. Dragons are just autism dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were cool enough on their own AND they were actually real. Love dinosaurs, not dragons.

Neither. They are all cool in their own ways. Besides you've left out like 6 different varieties of dragon anyway.

>>53186879
You need to post a western dragon so I can truerly compare. Easter dragons are definitely superior to wyverns though.

>>53192026
>King John, why do we fight enemies who know not the thrill of battle?
>Simple my Sargeant, for until the fields stain red, I shall know no thrill myself.

>>53192026
Never take NyQuil before a battle

>>53192026
Some of those guys are asleep.

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Best Dragon

I prefer western dragons, they are regal & majestic as fuck. Eastern dragons are wonky-looking, have no real predatory features, swim in the sky & have weather powers while a Westerns have impenetrable scales & fire that melts rocks.

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>>53192622
>>53192608

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>>53191802
Dragons did nothing wrong

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>>53186879
As someone with a passing interest in dragons, this question feels quite underwhelming.

Should I consider Tiamat western or eastern? And what about Boitatá? Or Grootslang? Indombe? Bakunawa is eastern but has little in common with chinese dragons. Where does Păl-raí-yûk fits?

>>53192752
Tiamat is literally smack in the middle. Except for D&D'session version which leans west

>>53192752
They fit wherever they will satiate you're autism the most

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>>53186879
Western dragons have been a mixed breed in the last hundred years. They went from monsters with no standard form to something as rigid and god-like as the easterners. Both the god-made Hydra and the medieval symbolic abominations combining baleful traits were dragons, now it always has to have four legs, wings, smartness, magic... They even have to look good nowadays.

>>53189929
Like that horde of dragons who look like someone made a scorpion out of reptile bits, giving them two heads instead of pincers?

>>53192832
In terms of geography yes. But when it comes between "eastern" and "western" dragons, it is closer to freaking Azatoth.

>>53192923
I never quite got what /tg/ says is "autism". I'm guessing it pertains to making an effort and reading a lot before executing an idea.

My autism is never satiated, mah boy.

It came to the point where I don't have anyone to talk about things unless I teach them first.

>>53191990
>biblical name
>normal
Nigga, you high on Jesus or what?

>>53186879
>Are Wyverns or Eastern Dragons cooler?

FTFY

>>53193141
If you seriously don't think John or David or Michael aren't the norm in the West, you're either not from a Western Country or live in one of the most sheltered areas in the world.

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On a slightly related note, does anyone have a picture of that one medieval drawing with a really bored looking knight fighting a tiny, goofy looking dragon? I've been looking for it for ages, but can't seem to find it.

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Slavic dragons are the shit.

You can't go better than to mix dragons with Greek legends.

>>53192029

Enchantment?

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>>53193722
This one?

>>53193955
Yeah that one, minus Wojak and Pepe.

Naturally depends on the setting. I'd prefer skyrim wyverns in a low fantasy as a good boss-enemy type.

For a CUHRAZY high fantasy adventure I'd love to bash in some magic city-spanning dragons and not give a shit.

>>53193294
Grigori is not John, David, or Michael dipshit. How many Grigoris do you know?

None of that "Well akshully it means Gregory" I'm talking Grigori.

>>53186915

fpbp

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>>53193722

>>53186879

Western dragons are more commonly depicted as breathing fire, so they're definitely not cool.

>>53191409
>look at this loooong list of different animal parts so much more creative am I right?
Pretty sure that's the way chinese described their dragons

>>53189802
Maybe the Lord shouldn't have made a dragon then
Worst GM ever

>>53191990
Gregori is a biblical name. Which is very fitting, because Dragon's in Dragon's Dogma are Angels.

>>53194915
Sometimes God gets drunk and forgets what he makes.

>>53194508
thanks mate

>>53186879
Not sure it's fair to compare them, they're extremely different and themselves are varied in usage and interpretations. I like and use them both.

>>53193955
I love the idea that he's just sitting there calmly and chuckling like the joker as he gets hacked to bits.

>>53192712
that just triggered a major nostalgia boner.

>>53192923
Your*

How has nobody corrected you since you posted that?

>>53194199
Not that anon, but the specific spelling of "Grigori" is significantly more common in Russia than wherever you live. America, probably.
Hebrew based names almost always get translated from Hebrew to a native form, so while a specific spelling may be different, the meaning and roots are (usually) the same.
English says Jesus. Spanish says Heysus. Aramaic says Josue (or Yosue or Joshue or something).

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Western Dragon done by Japs are the best

>>53194915
Look, he came in saying he was all the good and all the evil, he's got quotas to fill on both sides.

>>53197737
This.

>>53186879
they are not real, who cares?

>>53189281
>using a made up definition that no one cares about to talk about dragons

>>53186879
An attack buff offers no advantage in that section whatsoever.

IATYQ: >>53186915

>>53197737
That's because the Japs still know the difference between a dragon and a wyvern.

>>53187111
fucking christ

>>53197737
Why are the Japanese so good at using western culture?

>>53188645
That's because original western dragons were serpentine too. They were never supposed to be lizards. "Dragon" meant a large snake in latin and greek.

Assuming you were comparing Pic related, i'd say eastern. I like my dragons to have scale. Kinda like in the hobbit movies, the scene of the shadow covering the land (movies weren't great, but that scene).

>>53189679
People was not retarded and understood the symbolism of their time. George is depicted as bigger because good guys > bad boys. It's not meant to be "a good story" by your arbitrary standards and even if it was the story is not about how George was strong or skilled but about how he had God on his side and the dragon did not.

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>>53197737
Yep.

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>>53198511
Meanwhile, some settings use Japanese "dragon" under the name of "kirin".

>>53192960
>now it always has to have four legs, wings, smartness, magic...

Only for autistic D&Dfags.

>>53198626
I think it's actually because it's more foreign to them. They see it as new and interesting, and and get really into it. They still see the weirder and more interesting aspects. That's my attempt at putting to words why I think they make neat western stuff.

>>53198820
But can you drink it?

>>53194740
They combine 4 seperate traits for western dragons in to two points of physical description. They also ignore physicall characteristics of the western dragons.

They also add a lack of a physical trait for the eastern dragon as a physical trait.

It wasn't what they are describing but how they chose to do it.

>>53198933
Why isn't the opposite true? The only westerners that seem to do weebshit right is the French.

>>53192752
>boitatá
My BR brother.

>>53199709
>Why isn't the opposite true? The only westerners that seem to do weebshit right is the French.
Asians doing western: They think it's weird and cool, so focus and deconstruct the weirdness or play it straight. Who the fuck knows, that's why it's fun.
>Western doing Eastern
Westerners try too hard to make it "authentic", so it just comes across as a racist/cliche knock-off lacking the subtlety and cultural momentum of the real thing.

For example, look at all the western settings that are still "Japanese" ( Why the do their western settings still have honorifics?) that Japan makes.
There are basically none of the reverse, where a westerner makes a eastern setting with a Western mindset. If you want to be interesting take Asian dragons and the stereotype that they are good, but make it western anyways and make them evil serpent dragons that horde wealth because in the west dragons are evil gold hoarders.
Mikos are weird as shit, make them psuedo-nuns.
Reinterpret Shinto into a Abrahamic style. Don't worry, Japanese fuck up Christianity all the time with their shinto-style "god isn't actually good or all powerful, demons are not inherently evil, the church is invariably occult and/or corrupt."

>>53198800
>Sarkhan Vol makes a slice-of-life anime

>>53199944
I remember a manga that had circles of hell and heaven, with the furthest you got from Earth in the middle the evillest the inhabitant on both side. First circle of hell guys were basically just roguish good guys while high level angels were all sort of insane.
Also the big bad was God himself and his cherubim (as in modern flying baby) apocalypse.

>>53198741
On the other hand, Beowulf is depicted as smaller than his foes.

>>53198464
I don't understand what you mean. Everything about dragons is made up.

>>53186879
I'd say eastern because they seem more mysterious

>>53199709
>The only westerners that seem to do weebshit right is the French.
[citation needed]

>>53201940
>On the other hand, Beowulf is depicted as smaller than his foes.
Beowulf was a godless piece of shit who won everything by being a complete badass, not by being holy.

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Drakes, Dragons, Wyverns, Wyrms, Long, Ryu, and all other subclass of what we consider draconic in nature,
They're all just magic lizards of power levels ranging from angry chihuahua to cosmic god. Don't bother deciding which one is best, they're all best for whatever niche you decide they are to fill, so long as you, personally, can write or draw them well enough. Some of the worst creatures in concept can become some of the most memorable under a strong enough creative hand, and some of the best can be complete washes under a writer of sub-par skill, or completely ridiculous under a poor artists. If you want the better dragon, find the better creative forces and the better settings that come from them, I'm sure you'll find dragons you like there.

>>53186879
The coolest dragons are the ones that don't necessarily have "fire breath" in such specific ways.

Focusing the fire breath into a cutting beam that explodes when it hits you? FUCKING HYPE.
Breathing some kind of giant sigil that summons a goddamn nuke? FUCKING HYPE.
Breathing like 800 individual fireballs at once that each seek out and hit their own individual peasant? FUCKING HYPE.

Dragons should always have at least two stages of breath. One normal fire stage, and one stage after that which makes players say OH SHIT

>>53203644
You fought Midir recently didn't you.

>>53203772
Yes.
Then I went and watched the end of final fantasy online again.
Then I tried to remember that one video that had a dragon shoot hundreds of dark seid style right angle beams that all exploded when they hit, but I couldn't find it.

>>53202701
>Beowulf was a godless piece of shit
Come the fuck on, man.

Partially off topic for the thread; but how the fuck do you define all those weird japenesy dragon types?

Like the weird beast animal furry dragons from monster hunter, and such? Because I think they're really cool and want to incorporate a similar design, but I have no idea how to describe them.

>>53191008
this bitch ever SEEN a mouse or a shrimp?

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>>53203977
The thing with monster hunter is that it takes the idea of an immortal race of godlike dragons, but applies the rules of natural selection and evolution to their offspring. Understanding this, describe them as things that may have at one point been dragons, but have since become something fairly alien from their heritage, with a description of the creature specifically either following such a statement, or immediately before. This way, you can get across the idea that a description which otherwise wouldn't really evoke a dragonic image does. Pic related, it's a cat mixed with a bat, yet somehow it's clear that it probably had draconic heritage

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>>53186879
space dragons, either base

>>53203946
What? He was.
The only one where he had god was the christian censored version.

>>53192026
"War is hell"

>>53194508
>"there must be more to life than this"

>>53186915
2nd post best post

>>53198820
Kirin is a "Chinese unicorn".

Those scaled dog things you see statues of are Kirin.

>>53198626
because we are only really exposed to the good examples, rather than the vast quantities of shit media any region pumps out

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>>53186879
I think West Coast dragons are the dopest.

>>53198738
JRR Tolkien's the Hobbit
Maplefilms fan-edit.

Makes one excellent 4 hour movie from the 3 extended cuts.

>>53189679
Go read the Fariy Queene instead if you want a better story of it.

>>53191912
>For realism, I'd go with the western dragons.
>realism
>western dragons

No western dragon could realistically fly, ever, while being a physically imposing threat. At least the eastern one realises this and goes "fuck it, it's magic".

>>53202653
Dofus

Western if they are wyvern-style with 2 legs and 2 wings, otherwise eastern.Vertebrates shouldn't have more than 4 limbs.

>>53210120
My nigga, you're more /lit/ than /lit/

Jet dragons best dragons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiwyd0HXoGo

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>>53186879
western dragons (eastern)

>>53186915
Western ''dragons'' are chimeras from Christian bestiaries.

Propper western Dragons were also serpentine until the rise of Christianity.

The whole Serpentine Dragon myths originated in central Asia and spread towards both west and east.

>>53210939
Explain fish having more than 4 fins.

>>53211737
Show an example of that first.

>>53189759
The Slavic word for Dragon is ''Zmaj''.
The Slavic word for Serpent is ''Zmija''.

Christianity ruined dragons by turning them into 6-limbed chimeras.

Prior to that they wera all badass magic serpents and 4 limbed dragons.

In slavic myth there are several stories where dragons serve as trial masters to grant a wish or power to those with pure hearts who pass their trials.

So i guess we confirmed that Slavs are Asians by the definition of west-cucks.

>>53191912
>For realism, I'd go with the western dragons.

Biologically it's far easyer to imagine a quadriped eastern dragon that can jump really good.
While a western Dragon has 6 limbs and too much body mass to fly.

Thanks but i'll stick to the eastern dragons that were also present in Europe prior to Christianity ruining them.

>>53197737
>Ear fins
Eww

>>53198820
Kirins have horse bodies, dragon heads and doggie feet.

Some theorize that they were a myth derived from giraffes.

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I like both

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>>53206145
gaping dragon best dragon

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Fore limbs, hind limbs, wings, and breathes an element (fire).
Ridley best dragon.

>>53203977
Most creatures in monster hunter are actually classified as Wyverns of different types.

True Dragons are closer to the real deal with some notable exceptions.

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>>53213688
this