MTG PAUPER GENERAL

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Playing elves atm, little girl is broken.

Mono black rats ftw

>>53185818
Btw, is spidersilk armor really worth it?

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I'm playing izzet pump. Pic related, wee dragonauts, and kiln fiend are my best friends.

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>>53186022

My dark skinned brother from another mother!

>>53185945
It is. 2 in mainboard 2 in side. It sucks getting blown by electrickery /once you flooded field with elves.

>>53186042
It also turns your dudes into fantastic blockers, so even maindeck it's never a dead card. Decks like MUC simply run out of wincons the moment you land a Spidersilk Armor.

>>53186042
>>53186450
Thank you guys, buying 4 copies now.

>>53186524
First time that I find them cheapernin eBay than in Magiccardmarket

I'm enjoying horror of the broken lands in Tortured Existence. Card is quite good.

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J U N D
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>>53187062
Nice!

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B U G S A N D
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>control mirrors

>>53187323
>bugs and pigs
that's so retarded, I love it.

Kinda want to buy into Pauper on MTGO. Suggestions?

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>>53187431
I shamelessly stole it from MagicgatheringStrat, but the list is fantastic.

>>53187527
a mtgo account comes with 2 of each common from the last couple sets, perfect for pauper

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>>53187062
Hey Jund boy, I've got something spicy here for ya.

Tortured existence anyone? I like the complexity, but i fucking suck with it, not that its a really good deck in pauper anyways.

I also like playing boggles.

>>53187330
Ah, little else makes me feel so alive and young again.

This is beautiful.

>>53185945
Basically every deck sideboards ways to sweep 1/1s.

>>53187527
Do it. My suggestion is to buy something more interactive first and then move into the more linear stuff later. I am mostly playing ub control and enjoying it it a lot.

I started a pauper league here, ended up playing B/W tokens because I couldn't find any Rally The Peasants. Harsh Sustenance is nutty.

>>53187527

you barely need to buy in, dude. a viable deck costs less than an Amonkhet draft. just go for whatever suits your style. top decks like UB, Affinity and Delver might run you a bit more than ten bucks but if you're just getting into it, why not just go for your crazy budget brew of choice?

>>53192821
i bought ub control on mtgo without hydroblasts and it prob cost me less than 4-5 tix

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>>53187062
Elves
Lves

>>53187062
I built a jund deck not to long ago, how does it look?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-05-17-pauper-jund/

Yeah I play pauper. I've got elves and I'm waiting for the cards for bug zuberas to arrive. The deck is not strong, but getting those occasional nut draws when the zubera counter gets to like 6 feels great. I wonder if trying to put the red one in there is doable.
>>53186042
2x maindeck seems interesting. I've only tried it in the SB so far. I'm quite fond of 2x wirewood pride in the mainboard. easly castable with a birchy ranger and can both save my critical elves from bolts and end games.

awesome, a pauper thread. Thats all i do - peasant and pauper

I have a g/u Aether burst/soul barrier deck that ive never tested but seems hype.

I also have a b/w extort that is just insane, especially with Nightsky mimic & divinty.

Although i do more peasant decks. I like the added decks/tactics/additions with the 5 uncommons. Or noble is interesting too.

>>53193586
So, since I'll change the Crown of Ascension for Spidersilk armor, I won't need a third sylvan ranger. Do I add an Ulamog Crusher as a finisher?

What do people here think about the idea of Modern/Frontier Pauper/Peasant MtG?

What are the best enchantment and/or artifact removal in White? Bonus points if it works on both, that way I free up some sideboard slots.

>>53195269
Disenchant

>>53195269
Fragmentize (doesn't hit spire golem)
Patrician's Scorn (wipes all enchantments, doesn't hit artifacts)
Dismantling Blow (kicks for cards)
Kor Sanctifiers (is a 2/3)
Disenchant

>>53195269

Forsake the Worldly costs only 1 more than Disenchant, exiles, and can cycle.

>>53197168
Is exiling really worth that extra mana?

>>53197168
Or, if you're playing a Kuldotha-esque value deck, Angelic Purge. It's a sorcery though.

>>53196136
Don't forget about Sundering Growth.

>>53197259
Considering that both Stompy and Bogles are Tier 1 and both run 4x Rancor, I'd say so.

Give me your dankest meme decks.

Anyone up for cockatrice?

>>53197859
Reanimator is very shitty but it's fun when it works.

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I want to try infect, what do you think about this list?

Anyone still playing Mono U delver?

>>53198768
Looks pretty standard, I dig it. I don't play the deck though.

>>53199265
The UR versions are both better for the meta and more fun, why not play those?

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>>53193586
F O O K I N
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>>53199421
>7th edition Llanowar elves
Get out

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I really need a new list to play but nothing piques my interest.

>>53198768

I'd splash red for Reckless Charge. You aren't as fast as modern or legacy infect so you need haste to hit the explosive turns you need to steal the win.

Llanowar Augur is great, though. It's a Giant Growth that gives you edict protection.

Pauper looks fun, but aside from a half-asses ninja deck I've never played and know little about it.

What deck is fun, and is affinity fun?

What decks would you recommend to, say, a playgroup with mostly casual or bad players who like smashy-smashy and simple "combos"?

>>53200885
Affinity is a blast to play and is also super competitive. Excellent artifact destruction and flame slash are the only thing preventing it from ruling the format. And even then, the deck still wins.

Most T1 decks work well for newbies, just steer away from pure control decks (like teachings) if you want to have casual games. They aren't really that powerful, but they DO leave a bitter taste on newbies.

For simple combos, Kiln Fiend is probably the best you'll find.

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>>53200885
Pauper Twin sounds perfect for that play group.

>>53186022
Why on earth are you playing dragonauts in izzet blitz? Dragonauts suck donkey balls. Even if you use tainted strike instead of temur battle rage, wee still needs 3 other spells to kill in one swing. Cyclops/fiend kills in battle rage + 2 spells.

On a totallh different note - izzet blitz is one of my decks too.

Others are:
Ur delver
Tron
UGr threshold
UB control
MBC splashing momentary blink
Rg infect
Kuldotha Boros

why is Ninja of the Deep Hours so expensive on MTGO? it's like 4 dollars, while Higure, the Still Wind which is a rare is only 4 cents

i just want to make a ninja deck

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Why is Moment's Peace 4 tix per copy

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>>53203784

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>>53188672
I still don't get how TortEx is supposed to work, it seems so, so slow

>>53203563
Because it's pauper mono blue aggro staple.

>>53204313
grind them out.

The only thing that's stopped me from building a battle box IRL for my friend group (of whom I'm the only serious MtG player) is how expensive shipping is when I'm ordering upwards of 300 cards

Is there a better alternative than MKM for EU?

>>53204362
I like this one, can I copy it?

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>>53204541
Save it, it's all yours my friend :)

what are the best blue cards for drawing cards in pauper?

>>53205147
After memecruise was banned, Gush, Faerie Miscreant and that ninja.

>>53205165
Also Mulldrifter.

rate my 'ninja' deck

slither blade x 4
triton shorestalker x 4
mistblade shinobi x 4
deathcult rogue x4
neurok invisimancer x4
tandem lookout x 4
shield sphere x 4

steel of the godhead x 4
essence shatter x 4
cancel x 4

i can't afford ninja of the deep hours or else i'd put that somewhere in there

>>53204313
Mostly i just lose. If i get good hands against specific decks then it gets interesting. Ie recursing stinkweed to fuck their anglers.

>>53187062
This is almost card for card a Jund deck I built like a year ago on mtgo.

Are you a Sorcerer?

>>53204313
You grind hard as fuck. Literally the most grindy deck in the format. You grind them to death with your toolbox. Nothing short of exile stops you from having the exact creature you need several times over after you've drawn/dredged a copy.

>>53205285
Accumulated Knowledge
Whispers of the Muse
Think Twice

>>53205704
Pretty bad, desu, you want more etb stuff you can abuse with ninjas, fewer counterspells (take cancel out of your deck and run counterspell for fuck sake, what is wrong with you?), what the fuck is shield sphere even fucking doing, more ninjas, drop steel of the godhead auras are the last thing you want when you're bouncing your own shit, get some better removal.

You went autistically hard on the "unblockable" thing to force through ninjas, you seriously don't need it, fliers do just fine, and deathtouch creatures, both discourage blocks enough that you'll get several ninjas in for free. Of course after the first ninja your opponent will be more wary of unblocked things, which is where deathtouch pays off.

>>53207107
>more etb stuff you can abuse with ninjas
any recommendations?

>>53207558
Mulldrifter, archemonacer, augur of bolas

Go nuts with value

>>53207558
You could try something like spellstutter sprite or thalakos seer

>>53207729
These are also fine suggestioms though you might find them hard to attack with, or in drifter's case too expensive to keep casting.

>>53208051
>>53207729
how does this help me win the game, though?

>>53208088
Spellstutter Sprite is pure tempo and the others dig through your deck for the good shit, spells and ninjas. If you decide to pick up this deck I suggest getting ninja of the deep hours eventually, it's the best card in the theme by a long shot. Okiba-Gang Shinobi is also a great addition as a one or two of.

>>53208051
I'm using Escape Artist because I waifu it hard, and because she's been in my ninja decks for over a decade now, but holy hell how did I not know about the Seer?

>>53207107

So 4 Miscreants and 4 etb are better than 8 unblockables in your opinion?

>>53208153
I'd personally go 4 miscreant 4 thalakos seer, but if you decided you wanted to go hard on a spells subtheme an augur of bolas or archaeomancer could be really juicy. While I cautioned against going all in on the unblockable, you should still rate evasion highly when evaluating cards for the deck.

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>>53207558
This little dude. Imagine the crazy combos you will find or most realistically how hard it will fuck you up. Confuse your enemies! Confuse your friends! Confuse yourself!

>>53208380
I played this deck a few years ago that was that dude, mesmeric fiends, faceless butchers and a bunch of sac outlets. It got very out of hand.

>>53208621
nightmare motherfucking effect.

I run green black delve but I have been having trouble with control at times and losing steam in a grind. Any chance I could add reanimator? Is ulamogs crusher worth it in reanimator? Typically I can slam a turn 2 or 3 gurmag for cheap. But in the grind I need more fuel.
Suggestions? I'll try and post list tomorrow.

>>53209684
is there a better reanimate target than the crusher in pauper?

>>53209787
Storm Crow

>>53209787
I guess my point is does reanimator work in pauper or should I consider sideboarding in macabre waltz or something.

>>53210166
It doesn't work unless you get very good hands.

Any suggestions for a Rat Tribal deck?

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>>53209684

>>53211177
Did you copy my deck???
Anyway it doesn't work most of the time.

>>53211173
MBC is not far off rat tribal anyway.

>>53210166
you need another reanimation spell in color i think, like zombify, to make that deck good. Anyway Greater Sandwurm is a really good card for reanimator, since it's big, hard to block and has cycling.

>>53211734
The problem is that the rest of reanimator spells are uncommon.

The worst thing about pauper reanimator is when you've got your target in the bin and exhume in hand and your opponent evokes a Mulldrifter.

>>53212246
that's what i meant. deck will be weak untill another reanimator spell (or cheap tutor), and i douby we will get that even in a supplemental.

>>53202898
damn thats juicy, im stealing it for the WG pauper i already have

>>53190252
Could I see your list?

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>>53187062
Thanks for the inspiration mate. Started in the morning with your pile and ended up on pic related, about which I'm quite happy so far.

>>53216324
Why would you ever fucking use murder?

>>53216382
Because it's a catch-all at instant speed.

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>>53216402
I prefer Victim desu,

>>53216440
I did not take Victim because it does not kill Angler.

>>53216402
>not just go for the throat

>>53216503
...at uncommon?

So I just got the snow lands and I want to make something UR, like delver or fairies. Could wee dragonauts work in a ur shell, I can't get it to work right, they should be able to fly in for significant damage after skredding and bolting blockers, plus they fuel spellstutter sprite.

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>>53216583
Dragonauts got dropped for Nivix Cyclops IIRC.

>>53216604
Yeah, that's more of a fling/combo deck. I was thinking more ur delver as in mono blue delver that trades some control like counter spells for threat removal like
Skred.

>>53216649
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/magic-online-formats/pauper/672186-primer-snow-go

>>53216583
Dragonauts suck. I already explained why above. If you absolutely have go, you might try running 1 or 2 in ur delver, for the synergy with spellstutter, hoping you get a lucky ponder into gush into bolt for 6 extra damage, but in something like ur blitz, the difference between wee dragonauts and nivix cyclops is huge.

>>53216324
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pauper-murasa-rock/
For people who do not know the cards and don't want to search.

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Can mono U delver be saved? The ban of memecruise and free faeries hurt it a lot

>>53217873
>they banned cloud
>instead of fucking delver
>but not to hurt delver
>to hurt familiars

>>53217873
MU is one of the best decks in the format. Its currently under representef due to its bad stompy matchup. But it will regn again once BTE gets the ban.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mono-black-land-destruction-3/

disgusting

>>53217860
While i'll admit sometimes it can be hard to get the third colour online, i've not lost any games with it due to mana problems yet.

trying to put together a banding deck for fun

does anyone understand how it works?

>Any creatures with banding, and up to one without, can attack in a band.
>and up to one without

is that one per combat phase, one per band, or one per creature with banding?

>>53218311
It's not unplayable, but I'm a believer in consistency. So far my 2-color brew behaves well, but I'm not saying it's outright better. I just happen to really enjoy playing it.

>>53216649
You mean the 2nd most played deck on MTGO right now?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pauper-ur-33326#paper
>3x Skred - 100%

>>53218355
One per combat

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>>53216440
Would you have any suggestions for putting a crypt rat and a corrupt into my deck? I've noticed that corrupt would win me a ton of games, but I'm not sure what to take out for it.

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>>53219643
Maybe swap a Pestilence for a Corrupt?

is affinity the best choice for winning leagues on mtgo? is there anything else that comes close? i just want to win a treasure chest. i know they're supposed to be shitty but i'm curious.

>>53222168
Affinity is the best but a lot of people would sideboard for it. imo I would go for izzet blitz or boogles.

>>53216583
"Mono Blue Aggro" on mtgtop8.com is a UR delver deck.

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Here is my mono-green ramp durdle. Any suggestions?

I was thinking of maybe splashing either black or blue for draw and some control. Should be fairly easy with adding abundant growths and more utopia sprawls, while still keeping the forest count fairly high.

>>53224102
Maul splicer is a great payoff card for ramp decks.

do you guys play pauper at your LGS? What is the turnout like?

>>53226268
I basically just play it on modo. I briefly got the group I play with irl to play it for a bit but they moved on to other things.

>>53226268
Only two guys play it, one plays Mono U delver and the other plays goblins.
I don't have many problems with my elves deck.

My LGS is starting Paper Pauper.

I play Skred in Modern. What's the closest midrange build?

Also, separate question--apparently the meta is around 50% delver. Lots of blue spells.

How do I fuck delver

>>53227221
Closest midrange is probably Kuldotha Boros, but it has more of a focus on token kills as opposed to big beaters.
If you want to beat delver, play Stompy.

>>53226268
People from my LGS organize evening tournaments in every format except Modern.
Pauper has the biggest turnout (like 12 to 14 people, 8 to 12 for legacy, and 4-8 for casual EDH).

I'd say the players are not the best but it's funny, and the meta is very diverse. Burn and MBC are getting some momentum rn.

>>53226268
My LGS is trying to organize pauper events, but they need momentum. I would love them to manage to fire them consistenly.

>>53188628
I want to kiss the hand of the reeking autist who, having been beaten by stompy as a delver player one too many times, spent hours poring over commons until finding this beauty.

>>53188628
Fug, this kills the elves

>>53218355

with banding creatures, you can any use any to # block/attack per combat. Think of banding as a 'group'. In each of these groups, there may only be one creature in that particular group without bands or banding.

These groups get blocked/block as a single unit, i.e. a single creature.

When a 'group' is blocked/blocks, you decide how the damage is distributed.

If you have a benalish hero 1/1, and a Deadly insect 6/1 in a 'group' and it blocks a rogue elephant 3/3, you can have the elephant deal all 3 of its damage to the benalish hero, as opposed to the opponent deciding to split the damage between the insect/hero. Thus, just your hero dies. Trample damage still carries over, and first strike still damages first.

I dont know how it works with flanking, though.

I am hung up on making a B/G pauper deck. I dont want to go elves, dont want to go dredge/exhume/reanimate. I keep trying to work with pestilence, but am never happy with it. Regen creatures use so much mana, and life gain creatures get killed to easily; however life gain w/o creatures just doesnt feel like it would work in a match..

>>53199421
Does elvish vanguard work well?

>>53237408
>Does elvish vanguard work well?
Every time I have seen it in play against me, it was a 6/6 or something like that. Guy gets swol real quickly.

>>53226268
I play in Santiago. We have a pretty good group, around 25 regular people, with an usual turnout of 14-16 playing twice a week.

Lots of fun and a pretty cuthroat meta. We even have a pauper FNM,

>>53240059
>cuthroat meta
Just like the "friendly" league online. Pauper can be so competitive between experienced players. I love it.

>>53185738
I foiled out MBC.

>>53242663
Post pics! I love shiny pauper!

>>53204362
(MBC Here) My experience playing against affinity is they stream a bunch of 4/4s into your face and then G-Blast / Fling you to death. Sometimes affinity beats itself super hard. The 16-17 land deck flops in about half of the games. I do not know how people ever go 5-0 with this deck.

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Did we get anything useful from Amonkhet? I usually buy all the good commons when a set comes out but I haven't paid attention to Magic for a few months.

>>53242765
Blazing Volley replaced Scouring Sands

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>>53242684
MBC [MAINDECK]

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>>53242663
MBC [SB]

>>53186042
>2 in mainboard 2 in side
2 in the sideboard is more than enough.

>>53187530
I don't play Pauper but I'm just looking at decklists to get a feel for it. Is Ulamog's Crusher the top end creature in the format? I can't think of anything else as big at common.

>>53243298
Annihilator 2 is more important than being an 8/8, 2bh.

>>53238017
Nice, I'll add two copies here >>5319358. (Any ideas about what to take out?)
What's curious about this card is that it was originally rare but it got the downgrade.

>>53243400
Elvish Vanguard may not be a lord, but he is a damn good card and he can dodge dead weight (-2/-2), Disfigure (-2/-2), and Galvanic Blast (4 Damage) and many of the best removal spells in pauper. He is dead to terminate, and some other spells, but overall he is very hard to deal.

PRO TIP: Edict effects do tag him, SO NEVER LEAVE HIM ALONE.

>>53198768
Infect always seem to fall flat in any meta. The deck struggles because of the premium removal suites, premium counterspells, and many of the grinder elements of Pauper.

>>53217873
Su mono blue delver deck se ve muy divertido para jugar. Mucha suerte en sus ligas. Mayo usted 5-0 en el regular.

>no one has posted white weenie yet
it's like you all want to lose

>>53243996
To be fair

Mono White Tokens = BAD

Mono-White Soldiers (with Lords, Fog Effects, and a Strong Removal Package) = DECENT

>>53185738
I just got into magic/pauper, and I'm wondering how I would buy a set of cards for my deck.

I'm missing the following cards, and whenever I go online, no one store seems to have them all, so shipping costs would fuck me in the ass.

Where would I go to buy a bunch of commons?

Anyone have the following spare?

Burning-Tree emissary x2
Giantbaiting x2
Fists of Ironwood x3
Groundswell x1
Lightning Bolt x4
Jund Hackblade x4
Rancor x4
Nettle Sentinel x4
Kird Ape x4
Scab-clan Mauler x4
Skarrgan Pit Skulk x4
Elictrickery x4

>>53244045
TCGplayer cart builder has some great options. You can move all your selections into one shop for convenience (which helps with pauper where paying 0.15 per card instead of 0.13 is not an issue) or spread it out to reduce the cost of the order (which helps out with big legacy and vintage orders).

I love cool stuff inc, but they are terrible with keeping pauper staples in stock.

>>53187530
Rolling Thunder is uncommon, isn't it supposed to be commons only? I don't play Pauper so correct me if I'm wrong

>>53244104
It received a common printing in Planechase, so it's cool.

>>53244029
actually only white token decks run lords the bottom deck is less about creature type and more about small bodies with insane value- thraben inspector, lone missionary, loyal cathar, that sort of thing

>>53204295
That hurdle is terrible. When you have a build your own Rue Goldberg Machine When you take 20 minutes to execute your combo you are asking for unintentional draws. PLEASE NEVER PLAY THAT CANCER IN ANY LGS.

>>53204362
Very nice. The classic atog feels good flavor wise.

>>53208380
A 3 CMC 3/4 with effects is not good enough for pauper right now. TOO SLOW.

>>53216324
Your GB Rock deck needs more tuning. Overall great start.

>>53219643
>>53219961
Fellow MBC players. We can rejoice and continue to champion the well-oiled machine of great consistency that is MBC. The pestilence versions are better aligned against elves, and stompy.

W(Splash R) Spirits: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13446&d=278979&f=PAU

W(Splash Blue) Tokens: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14491&d=286853&f=PAU

W(No Splash) Weenie: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15435&d=293975&f=PAU

>>53217895
Esper Familiars is still a thing

Dinrova Variant:

1. http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15379&d=293560&f=PAU

2. http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15201&d=292249&f=PAU
Gray Merchant of Asphodel Variant:

1. http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13599&d=280047&f=PAU

2. http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13257&d=277804&f=PAU

Sage's Row Denizen Variant:

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12967&d=275597&f=PAU

>>53243996
Well, elves has been posted two times and it's pretty much the same with a green paint job.

>>53243865
Gracias, Google!
I'm still not sure about gitaxian probe, I use it to spend my counters and resources wisely, but sometimes it just sits in my hand. Maybe two Daze and two void snare would be better.

>>53244690
Addressing the translation. I saw the funny translation of Spell Stutter Sprite and figured I would try to compliment your deck in your first or second language.

Spell Stutter Sprite when translated back and forth in Spanish turns into spell spell stutter.

I think Spanish does not have a proper word for Bonesplitter.

>>53244743
I would have been less literal with the translation... Hada interrumpe-hechizos?
Quebrantahuesos is fine for Bonesplitter.

Anyway, yes, they translate things weirdly. Wellwisher is translated as bienechora (she who does good) It took me years to realize that she's supposed to be wishing on a well, and not doing good (well? Lol)

>>53244809
Ninja of the Deep Hours

(Ninja de las horas profundas)

The translation mistakes deep with profound. Deep is used in more of a meditative combat focus type of "deep"

Is this translation correct?

Mutagenic Growth (Crecimiento mutagénico)?

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>>53211173
YOU WANT RAT TRIBAL? MY NIGGA.

I have ~5000 commons lying around
Is it possible to make a good enough pauper deck from that kind of bulk? Or is Pauper full of must-have staples?

>>53246913
There's a good chance you already have a lot of staples. You might need to buy some cards but most of them are really cheap.

>>53246913
Pauper is like a lot of formats, it has a few major archetypes that fill out into multiple decks and a few screw balls. Delver has U, UB, and UR versions which all put up results, there are at least two good tron decks, 2 stompy lists, etc. Once you get the base for an archetype it is cheap to fill out the versions.

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all the shineys

>>53246913
Have any of this?
>>53244045

I'll buy them off of you.

And from what i've seen, you'd probably be able to make a deck. On the other hand, i'm new to magic, so don't listen to me.

>>53244081
Is it possible to choose specific sets via that? I'd prefer the cards to have the common symbol, and to not look old as fuck.

>>53250358
>dangerous wager
Is it worth it over tormenting voice?

>>53246809
WHERE'S THE REMOVAL NIGGA

>>53250869
I like wager because you can cast it from an empty hand and it's instant.

>>53250358
No Thermo-Alchemist? And main deck Curse?

>>53251456
The deck was built before Alchemist existed, from what I remember.

Curse is good because it's constant damage and keeps damage going, so even if you draw YET ANOTHER FUCKING MOUNTAIN from the top when they're within killable range, Curse still helps.

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>>53251632
I know you just said that the deck was made before thermo-alchemist, but this card just became common and I think its pretty good as a two of.

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>>53252920
MFW miracles is better in Pauper than in Modern

>>53253289
To be fair Pauper is stronger than standard and not too far behind modern. With the paper only commons and no bans it might be stronger (high tide combo, drake combo, storm combo).

>>53253536
This is true, my elves deck holds up pretty nicely against modern decks. It doesn't win often but doesn't lose miserably either.

>>53253536
Which pauper decks would handly beat mardu vehicles? I would love to challenge my friends money decks.

>>53253905
I have a bogles deck and my friend has an infect deck. I see both of these having pretty good odds against standard mardu vehicles.

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Working on a white weenie deck with a focus on grinding, it works pretty well when it comes to value but it can't race for shit. What should I take out and put in? The sideboard is a mess, I know.

>>53253905
Turbofog to a hilarious degree, pretty sure affinity is a slightly better version of the same deck but with an instant win button in atog, Murasa Tron.

>want to get into Pauper
>don't know where to start, how much I have to invest or if anyone even plays it here

Fill me in, /tg/, how do I get into Pauper and how much variety is there in viable/strong decks?

>>53256266
There are like 6 Decks that you see often in tournaments and its got a couple hundred people who play on MTGO pretty constantly. The common archetypes are Delver variants, Tron variants, Affinity, Stompy, Elves, U/B Control, Boggles, Burn... Affinity is probably the best to pick up going into it, costs like 20 tix online and doesn't really have a terrible matchup.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/pauper/full#online

>>53256266
The two ways I know of to get into it are to either get some interest and make a battlebag of 20-30 decks to play casually (they are very cheap) or play on mtgo.

Viable tier 1 decks:
U delver
UR delver
Ur Control
Dimir Control
Mono Green Stompy
Burn
Affinity
Murasa Tron
Mono Black Control
Kuldotha/Boros
Elves
Turbo fog

Tier 2 decks:
Mystical Teachings
Infect
Goblins
Mono U control
Temur Tron
Red Haste (bushwacker red)
Mono Black Aggro
Defender Combo

Jank people love:
Tortured Existence
UG Madnesd
Threshold

>>53256266
Why don't you tell us what do you like to play and then we see which deck fits best your expectations? There are so many flavors of pauper that one of them will be just the right one for you.

>>53250358
10/10:

Fireblast and Flame Rift look beatiful.

Lands 0/10:

They are mismatched. WTF MAN!!!!?????!!!

>>53256350
>>53256440
I guess I'll fumble around in MTGO or XMage with it for a while. Thanks for the overview.

>>53256560
I usually play decks of the Simic "control and ramp into big game enders" variety and prefer to take it slow or combo out. Was considering getting Eggs for modern but the buy-in of all those freaking fetchlands is still too much for me, combined with the rest of the stuff needed.

>>53246913
You need the staples:

Lands:
Ash Barrens
Terramorphic Expanse
Evolving Wilds

Blue:
Mulldrifter
Counterspell
Preordain
Brainstorm
Ponder
Delver of Secrets
Faerie Miscreant
Flicker
Mnemonic Wall
Spellstutter Sprite

Red:
Lightning Bolt
Skred
Flame Slash
Rolling Thunder
Faithless Looting

... THERE ARE Much MORE ...

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>>53256630
>control and ramp into big game enders

Pauper doesn't have many big game enders, but if you want to ramp, try out Mono green tron

Creatures
---------
4 Fangren Marauder
3 Fierce Empath
2 Maul Splicer
3 Wretched Gryff
3 Ulamog's Crusher

Land tutors and card selection
---------
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Crop Rotation
4 Expedition Map

Mana fixing
---------
4 Prophetic Prism
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star

Game ending spells
---------
2 Rolling Thunder

Tron lands
---------
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower

Utility lands
---------
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Forest
1 Haunted Fengraf
1 Khalni Garden
1 Sejiri Steppe
1 Shimmering Grotto
1 Tree of Tales


Sideboard
---------
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Circle of Protection: Green
2 Circle of Protection: Red
2 Electrickery
2 Leave No Trace
3 Reap and Sow
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Tangle

The creatures you cast from there are some of the biggest beaters in the format. You get a sweet ammount of tutors to shape your hand and a sweet toolbox in Crop rotation. Want to finish tron? Search the missing piece! Want to save a creature? Get sejiri steppe! Want to revive a big creature? Haunted fengraf!

It's cheap (sub 25 tixs), powerful and really enjoyable to play once you get the hang of it.

If you fancy more control, there is murasa and dinrova tron, which play super neat counter/removal game and follow up with dirty big mana spells.

>>53252920
I built a UR burn deck right after Thunder became a common. Thermo-Alchemist feels right at home in a UR shell, and Delver of Secrets is pretty much a Nacatl. Plus Tandem Lookout became a common in Eternal Masters as well, and pairing it with Alchemist feels outright silly sometimes.

>>53259813
I play an izzet faeries deck with that combo. I found that tandem lookout is just better than ninja, as you can hit with fliers to draw, and if there is an opening draw two off of one guy. Essentially Blue Bob.

4 spellstutter sprite
4 zephyr sprite
4 faerie miscreant
4 tandem-lookout
4 thermo-alchemist
4 counterspell
4 lightning bolt
4 skred
2 echoing truth
4 preordain
4 faithless looting
8 evolving wild/terramorphic expanse
Twice as many snow covered island as mountains.

>>53260377
2 Echoing Truth?

Do you use it proactively or reactively?

>>53257779
>Game ending spells
>---------
>2 Rolling Thunder


You mean "Soul Crushing Spells"

_ _ _ _ _

2 Rolling Thunder

Every time Rolling Thunder resolves it usually signals the game is over or puts the opponents really far off from winning.

Suggestions for early interactions:
Flame Slash?

>>53260946
>flame slash
You could, but it clashes with the deckplan. The deck wants to get tron ASAP and cast fatties. Early game is reserved to finding tron, casting ancient stirrings, expedition maps and crop rotation. Mid-lategame you have 7-13 mana to work with, so why spend a card slot for a 1 mana removal when you have huge 7+ mana spells available?. Also good luck casting it early game. You could use eggs to get red mana turn 2-3, but it will slow you down a lot.

>>53257779
Man, I never played Tron in any format ever until I played it in Pauper and I can see why everyone prefers the Murasa version, Temur Tron is fucking depressing against stuff like Burn, G1 you can't do shit until they're easily within Fireblast zone, and G2 is "mulligan until you hit CoP:Red".

It's not bad though, gaining ten life off two Marauders and watching the life flee from your opponent is pretty solid.

>>53250358
>Dangerous Wager

I swear all you Pauper Burn kids are all a little bit insane. I trust you've got good experience with the card?

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Am I the only one who pimps his deck with custom tokens?

>>53262301
It's literally draw 2. You tend to empty your hand pretty quick.

Creature (6)
2 Gurmag Angler
4 Augur of Bolas

Artifact (2)
2 Pristine Talisman

Sorcery (4)
2 Chainer's Edict
2 Evincar's Justice

Instant (25)
4 Counterspell
4 Accumulated Knowledge
3 Disfigure
3 Mystical Teachings
2 Exclude
2 Prohibit
2 Diabolic Edict
1 Echoing Decay
1 Dispel
1 Deprive
1 Ghastly Demise
1 Rend Flesh

Land (23)
4 Dismal Backwater
3 Dimir Aqueduct
2 Radiant Fountain
1 Bojuka Bog
9 Island
4 Swamp

Sideboard (15)
3 Duress
3 Hydroblast
2 Curse of the Bloody Tome
2 Diabolic Edict
2 Dispel
1 Wail of the Nim
1 Nihil Spellbomb

Been doing just fine with this, usually 4-1 and sometimes 4-0-1, but I always fell short of the 5-0 everytime and I don't know what I'm missing here. I can hold the ground against Stompy decently enough thanks to the 4 Augurs and digging into Justice, but I feel that one more Justice in the mainboard can't hurt nowadays. Some more unconditional point and click removal that isn't fucking Rend Flesh (which is there as a catch-all answer) or things like Ghastly Demise / Victim of Night / Doom Blade that can't hit Angler would be appreciated.

>>53257779
Shit list m8

am i wrong in assuming Green is one of the easiest/ best colors to play in pauper? It ramps fairly easily and has strong monsters for just being common

>>53250635
I'm pretty sure I don't and if I did I would probably use them

>>53256649
I'm missing a lot of those and I don't want to buy anything for Pauper yet
I have an EDH deck to finish first

>>53266303
if you need the evolving wilds i will send you some for free...
please take them i have so many im begging you

>>53266321
>More Evolving Wilds
No, thanks

>>53266293
I'd probably say that UB control is the easiest to play. Or Bogles. Stompy is real fun though.

>>53266293
Green is king in Pauper currently (as is the case with most of modern Magic nowadays). Delver was the most played deck because Blue was the most powerful color, and Stompy was it's natural predator, but the printing of Burning-Tree Emissary at common has given the deck speed reminiscent of Modern Affinity.

>>53266253
pls

>>53266674
If you want unconditional removal you could run murder, teachings tutors it. Maybe 1 or 2 copies?

>>53260903
It is the most universal catch all in the format. Lets me return spellstutters, alchemists or tandems, hits enchantments, artifacts, wipes tokens.

For the side I run 3 curfew, 4 flameslash, 4 dispel, 4 electrickery.

>>53266253
You are using a good deck, maybe you just need to tight up your plays. Watch your replays and look for moments where you could make other plays. This is a great excercise to find all those small details that need to be perfected for getting a win.

Pauper is a really tactical format, skill is real important for getting better results.

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>>53256594
I don't have 19 of the same foil land

>>53267375
I run Rend Flesh as the catch all answer. What I want is a 2 CMC removal that isn't shit like Doom Blade / Victim of Night which fails to hit Gurmag Angler every single time.

>>53271360
Been playing Pauper since 2012 and this particular deck since early 2015, but never really stopped to watch my replays. Thanks for the advice senpai

>>53265417
Are there any good places to pick up custom tokens?

>>53265417
I would love to pimp my tokens and get some cool saprolings.

>>53244467
Anon.
That's the joke.

>>53275628
I bought them in Magiccardmarket, but that's only euro I think.

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So pauper players, what your opinion on playing against counterspell? Is it as frustrating as wizards makes it look like?

>>53273032
I always have every basic land be different in every deck. Feels more like a traveled walker.

Is there a Pauper primer? You know, so I am building an actual deck rather than just framing a bunch of commons in? Particularly since most of what I have on MTGO is just the Kaladesh deck builder's box.

>>53287351
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/pauper#paper

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>>53286851
Counterspell is just a part of the format. It's something you play around when your opponent leaves open (U)(U) and is fine.
t. Dimir Teachings Player

What is everyone's favourite Counterspell art?
Mine is tempest for that flavour text.

>>53289495
My afro american brethren. Care to share your list? I'm the one who posted the list a few posts ago.

>>53288522
On one hand the meta looks very diverse, but it's also kind of narrow.
How well do outside decks tend to perform? I'd really like to make a Naya or Esper deck, that is one that's more than say WG with a splash of red in one or two cards, but I get the feeling pauper doesn't have access to the mana fixing needed to run three colors without getting color fucked often.

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>>53289495
ice age

MAKE ICE AGE GREAT AGAIN

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>>53289495
The one with the wizard with a spell that poofs.

>>53290778
Pauper lists tend to be similar to Legacy ones: there is a large number of viable decks but brews tend to be too weak to play well. For instance Murasa Tron is basically Temur Tron with 2 cards changed out but was hugely different in play, and decks like UR and UB control share MUC cores.

Anyone excited for the first ever Pauper Challenge on MTGO this weekend? What decks are people bringing? How do you think it will compare to the leagues?

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>>53290111
My list is still pretty stock, I'm thinking about replacing the Compulsive with a Deep Analysis, but other that I don't really think I would change much. Might even run two Deep Analysis and cut the Mind Games.

>>53234317
there's still tortured existence, infect, and my favorite aristoctats

>>53292195
Actually, Murasa is UR splashing green for pulse. UR comes from the times of Cloudpost and has emphasis on removal more than on wincons.

RUG Tron aims to get Tron much faster and drop fatties (Fangreen Marauder, Ulamog Crusher) asap.

They are completely different decks. More than just a few switched cards, just like Legacys RUG and BUG delver qre completely different besides sharing 2 colors and delvers.

>>53294015
>Mind Games
Why not just another capsize?

>>53294233
I am too drunk to debate this right now, but I will say that I acknowledge your point but still think they share enough cards that transferring from one to another is not like switching from MUC to Delver, but like switching between delver variants.

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>>53292195
That's a shame, but I imagine the pool of viable commons is quite small, leading to a largely 'solved' or at least highly-optimized meta.
I pine for the day I can play a Naya critters deck in some format and not just get assfucked by everything remotely competitive.

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Rate and check mate

>>53298292
Looks good, I would like to know why you went with firebolt over lightning bolt, and no burning tree emissary.

>>53298431
Uh I run both?

I tested burning tree over river boa; boa tested out far superior. Burning is a power common card but is much better in a mostly mono red

>>53298460
Oh god my brain, the signed ones are bolts...

Boa always seemed sideboard to me, but I tend to be the blue side so what do I know.

>>53294015
Why not Diabolic Edict over Devour Flesh? It's strictly better.

I'm also not a fan of Mind Games and Capsize, the meta has sped up too much for those kinds of shenanigans. I would cut those two.

>>53298292
>Rate and check
Let's see
>Windows
>Chrome
>LoL
>12h clock
>gaming periphereals
>at least the screen is nice
I'd say 3/10.

>>53185738

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I felt like a horrible person when I played this.

>>53298292
where are the Rancors.

>>53301071
>>>/g/

>>53300095
Not that anon, but the life gain is barely relevant to the opponent considering you often win by milling them. And it has the edge case benefit of letting you sacrifice one of your own creatures (post-board) if you desperately need the life.

>>53185738
I mainly play pauper EDH right now i got shaman of the pack elves going on

Talk me out of it on MTGO:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/playing-pauper-domain-zoo

>>53265417
I hate custom tokens, call me autistic but I won't fuck custom anything unless it stritctly adhears to the same structure or format as wizards tokens.

I'd be super down for tokens with custom art but the lack of consistency bugs me too much in the current market.

>>53306591
Looks good senpai, but I would cut Capsize. It's too slow for the current meta, Stompy is sanic speed nowadays. Also cut back on edict effects and run more disfigure, they've become less valuable also thanks to Stompy. I'd run one more Justice and four Augur of Bolas to dig into your shit as well as chumpblock 2/2 forever.

I'm more interested in your SB

>>53309976
>I'm more interested in your SB

Don't have one - We tend to play casually/for fun, so nobody has an SB.

>>53217873
Changed the Gitaxian probe playset for 2 echoing truth and 2 daze.
Works better now imo.

>>53306591
Oh teachings, the 4chan of pauper decks. How is the tron matchup? Are you bad against anything but aggro?

>>53185738
Pauper is best format.

Mono-White and Affinity player here.

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>>53289495
I like this one because the Text is centered, no flavor text, and a mage meditating into unspeakable power is pretty cool.

>>53310837
Tron generally has trouble with those efficient sacrifice effects.

t. Tron Player

I'm looking into token generators for my sideboard.

>>53297176
I feel like the pool of viable cards is bigger than you may realize. It doesn't feel solved to me.

My friend runs a Naya critters deck in pauper and it's a good deck.

>>53218035
>BTE
>Eating a ban
Well meme'd friend

>>53319227
Didn't cloud of faeries get banned for the same reason?

>>53319840
No, it got banned for enabling degenerate combos, similar to peregrine drake.

Wow, this thread is still up!

I designed a new deck that does well playing an aristocrats strategy along with a lot of artifacts along with Kuldotha Rebirth and Atog. It is really flexible, you can make one huge creature, a lot of small ones, or you can burn your opponent out.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kuldotha-aristocrats/

>>53291138
Ice Age unironically had some of the best art for reprints - Counterspell, Swords to Plowshares, and Disenchant come to mind here

>>53310837
With Tron you just shoot a Rolling Thunder for 20+ or cast the same Ulamog's Crusher for the fifth time after you've overloading their answers with Haunted Fengraf and Mulldrifter drawing you gas all the time. 4 Firebolts is also 16 damage by themselves.

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unban *post

>>53298292
I see what you're trying to do anon, and I like it, but your mother and I are just worried that you're not attempting the most optimal way to do it. Where's Burning Tree and Rancor? Those Mogg Fanatic friends of yours aren't exactly the best influences right now, and are you sure your relationship with that boy Hooting Mandrill is sustainable? You know he eats a whole graveyards to come in, you sure you can afford him in your life? You're not always going to have your friend Wild Mongrel to feed him, you know, and the day will come when he'll eat something dear to you like that Firebolt.

What I'm saying is that maybe for a Burn-Madness-Zoo shell where the goal is to fill out your graveyard, you'd still wanna cut maybe a Blastoderm and a Mandrills or two for that BTE speed. And your slowest aggro card should be cut in favour of Rancor. But hey I'm just an autist who hasn't even touched your deck so you do you. Maybe you're all in on that midrange game I'm not seeing in this list.

>>53309415
Be a man, anon, DO IT! I adapted this list for Modern for my wife, Tribal Flames for 5 is one of the best feelings one could ever ask for.

Although I think you should run some degree of Heliod's Pilgrim and Brainstorm + Ash Barrens to help power out the Nylea's Presence combo better, the deck doesn't seem to have its legs without Domain online.

Is there such thing as a cheap modern deck that wins by turn four?

>>53325460
MonoR Burn under ideal circumstances (aka MCL). Dredge is the cheapest actual deck along with Affinity, the former's just better though.

What does everyone think of the new weekly challenge? It seems like a good payoff for pauper players, as first place is worth more than a collection of decks.

>>53242694
I think it just comes down to mulligans, but yea, when you play 7 cards on turn one and are topdecking the rest of the game, you can get hosed pretty bad, especially with any kind of mass artifact removal

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>>53185738
I fell out of playing MTG about two years back when my buddy moved out of state, but I always wanted to throw together a pauper deck.

All I really remember was planing to use Poison Slivers and changelings and the whole deck was all 2 and 3 cost cards, I should really get back into magic.

>>53325838
If you get a good standing, is definetly worth it. That entry cost though.

>>53328834
It was a sad day when they stopped updating tomo chan.

>>53316495
I started with 7th edition so these counterspells mean a lot to me.

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>tfw someone called my UG infect pile spicy

>>53324662
Only if they are going to do a mass unbanning. Faerie, drake, post, invigorate, cranial plating. Let the lords of chaos rule.

>>53338691
This please.

>>53338691
fuck bans.
let the formats burn.

>>53339946
Yeah I want treasure cruise back. It wasn't even that good.

>>53338691
What would no-banlist pauper look like? I assume it would just be Cranial Affinity v Cruise Delver v Storm?

>>53325460
Storm is fairly cheap as far as Modern decks go and is easily tier 1. Don't expect that to last too long though with WotC's hard on for creature based aggro.

>>53340161
I dont think so. I think it would make a spectrum, with infect and affinity outrunning storm but losing to delver, delver losing to drake and 8post, and atorm beating drakepost.

>>53325228
this is why i come here
top post

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here is my bg delve list, suggestions? I was thinking of adding 1-2 corpse churn mainboard. Late game i feel like i need the support against control.

Any aristocrats list floating around?

>>53340179
Wizards will always hate storm, but we endure.

>>53341242
Needs some copies of Misery in the aide for turbofog. Just slow draw until you hit one, dredge yourself out and then kill.

I just assembled a Grixis Delver deck. I'm so fucking tired of seeing everyone playing Delver, or Gurmag Angler or Thermo-Alchemist in my meta, that I just put them together. Here is the list, wat think:

Main deck:
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Thermo Alchemist
4 Gurmag Angler
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
2 Preordain
2 Agony Warp
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Terminate
3 Manamorphose
2 Diabolic Edict
2 Spell Pierce
3 Mana Leak
4 Evolving Wilds
3 Swiftwater Cliffs
3 Dismal Backwater
5 Island
2 Mountain
2 Swamp

Sideboard:
2 Nihil spellbomb
4 Pyroblast
4 Hydroblast
2 Electrickery
2 Stormbound Geist
1 Evincar's Justice

My metagame is full of Burn and MBC, also Elves, Boros Kuldotha/Metalcraft, Affinity and Murasa/Tron. I'm not convinced by Manamorphose as I don't always have a red mana, and I think I'll replace Diabolic Edict with Chainer's Edict as soon as I get them in the mail. The sideboard is not great either but I have no idea...

>>53328834
>come looking for mtg threads
>find a cute manga
Just marathoned that shit, I love it. /tg/ is best board.
Also slivers in pauper is rad, they can do some INSANE shit if they curve out.