Bladerunner's influence in Cyberpunk?

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>>53169194
It can be said that Blade Runner helped bring the Noire Detective flavor of cyberpunk, and the type of cyberpunk that doesn't rely so much on the technology and more the setting and tone. Blade Runner, and the book it is based on, doesnt contain the traditional decker, like Gibson's work. Mind you, I've only read Neuromancer, and D Androids Dream of Electric Sleep so I'm no expert, but I dont want to see this thread die

>>53169194
>bladerunner not Blade Runner

>>53172374
>Noire not noir

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Blade Runner was about interracial sex.

>>53173445
I mean I guess if you ignore a lot of it and focus on one part and construe it that way

>>53169194
>Is Bladerunner that important?

Gibson said he almost gave up on Neuromancer when Blade Runner came out because he initially felt it had already done what he wanted to do.

Blade Runner is one of the ur-works of the genre, and you can recognize a 100% pleb by their failure to acknowledge this.

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>pleb

You mean an untermensch?

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>hey girl,
>tears in rain

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The 2049 trailer got me pretty excited but I'm leery.

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>>53174369
Looks better than GitS trailers did, which ended up sucking despite great art direction and costume design. Worst case 2049 is a visual feast with an average story.

>>53174369
>no vangelis soundtrack
I'm sceptical.

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>>53169194
Blade Runner doesn't strike me as being a particularly cyberpunk story. It's more a futuristic homage to noir detective movies, than a high-tech/low-life story.

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>>53175772
It did do a LOT for the look though.

And for making people think about what it means to be human

>>53174480
Was it? Haven't seen it yet, though I've not heard much better than "meh" from it.

I wonder if with GITS and Bladerunner we'll see more cyberpunk stuff around

>>53177527
Netflix is getting a Takeshi Kovacs (altered carbon) series

>>53177527
>I wonder if with GITS and Bladerunner we'll see more cyberpunk stuff around
If CP2077 is good we might see some AAAs dipping into the cyberpunk videogame sphere.

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>>53177556
Looking forward watching it. I kind of liked the Altered Carbon universe.

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>>53177556
Cool, I've heard that series is good, haven't gotten round to watching it yet

>>53177588
Maybe. Whenever CP2077 happens.

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>>53177640
*reading it yet

>>53169194
Snow Crash was the penultimate achievement of the whole cyberpunk genre. Prove me wrong.

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Pretty sure the Nemex was described with a magazine capacity of only 6 rounds, but cool concept art otherwise.

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Blade Runner (the movie definitely, the book Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep a little less) is a slap in the face to conventional science fiction. Gone are your Buck Rogers, Star Wars, and Star Trek stories of heroes prevailing over evil because of their superior morality. It's not even really a cautionary tale a la Ray Bradbury, because nobody is really "good." The cop wants to kill the replicants. The replicants want to live longer, but will kill anybody who gets in their way. The police department just wants things back under control, and they don't really think about why they do their job like they do. The corporation would just like the whole thing to go away. Nobody's noble. Everyone's selfish. And ultimately, everyone, from the vat-grown slaves to the corporate CEO is disposable. Lives aren't important.

This is cyberpunk. It's a rebellion against the technocracy of the future. It's artificial sentience being used to fight dirty wars for corporate greed rather than uplifting mankind. It's disparity between the classes, and when the lowest people on the food chain look around and see the squalor of the planet, they think "At least I'm not a replicant." But when you can make a machine that can so cannily pretend to be human that it can even fool itself, are there any lines left to cross, or has humanity just made itself obsolete?

The Sprawl Trilogy gave us the lexicon and the tools of a hyperconnected world, but Blade Runner gave us its soul- a less than better world where technology is a prison.

>>53177712
Snow Crash is shit, like most cyberpunk literature actually. Neuromancer is ok. Gibson's short stories are probably his best works. Otherwise, Hardwired is pretty good. So is Last Stand on Zanzibar. The Kingdom of Mao Bell contains so many false predictions that it makes it funny to read.

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>53177774
It's just "Stand", not "Last Stand" - there was an old claim in the 20th Century that if everyone was standing you could fit them all on the Isle of White - when Brunner wrote the book people were saying you'd need a bigger island, like the Isle of Man, and by 2010 you'd need a much bigger island - Zanzibar (he got the time for the world's population growing to 7 billion to within something like a year)

>>53169194
there's also the mix of anachronistic and modern fashion. and the japanese cultural influence.

>>53169194
then you also have the small tinkerer shops who deal in ultra-sophisticated technology. that's a cpunk meme.

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To quote the shake: "Because books are from the Devil and TV is twice as fast."

Bladerunner made a visual representation and added Vangelis, now whenever I hear Vangelis I wanna by my window at night and look out at the rain falling in the city, then lament that I only have the backyard and the ghetto on the other side, but I supposed that'll have to suffice for cyberpunk.

>>53169194
I'm having a severe case of deja vu. I know it's nothing but this thread triggered it hard. I swear to god this feels like it happened a year or two ago.

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>>53178038
>that's a cpunk meme.
Is it?
I thought it was just a kind of extension of what you get with watchmakers and jewelers and shit, very small, very specialised operations.

That said, those sort of shops tend to be just electronics repair at the moment

>>53178219
Those shops are the bomb. I went to a jeweler and they wanted a fortune to get an old ring resized; went to a little watchmaker's shop who did the same thing for $20.

Place looked so /tg/ inside too, like if I'd asked right I could have got some mogwai.

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>>53173843
>artificial "womb" tech announced a couple of weeks before
>2049 trailer has that shot

>>53174480
what the fuck was up with her hair in the new film?

I know it's supposed to look like the original, with the little side-pieces, but it looked like a weird wig that kept slipping sideways

>>53177556
there's also a Judge Dredd TV series announced yesterday

>>53178335
Did they get Urban?

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https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Qo4Z8

>>53174369
The director is yet to make a bad movie, so there's reason to be hopeful.
I'm hoping Harrison Fords role is small tho. He puts amazingly little effort into his performances these days.

>>53177772
>The Sprawl Trilogy gave us the lexicon and the tools of a hyperconnected world, but Blade Runner gave us its soul- a less than better world where technology is a prison.
Well said.

>>53178616
>watch trailer
>hype, hype
>Harrison Ford
>feels like watching Star Wars: The Force Awakens
I'm not sure he's suited to sci-fi any more

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>>53178301
Yeah, those shops tend to be pretty cool - everything all piled together, lots of niche tools, only a couple of guys who by the nature of the work clearly know their shit

>>53178558
Odd look for the Turing cops there

>>53178650
I think he's basically given up giving a fuck

Still it does look pretty cool

>>53178732
I think there's a scene where they're dressed in tennis wear or something

>>53178219
well, yeah the individual, smallshop super-genious detached from any bigger corp, is a cpunk meme. especially in Cyberpunk 2020 RPG. the advantage is that it allows, in theory, for PCs to come up with technological breakthroughs and it being within genre bounds and not something highly unusual.

>>53178301
except the tinkerers in cpunk are bleeding edge and have access to shit that even the big corps don't, which makes for interesting scenarios.

>>53178335
dammit, anon, you just got me excited

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>>53178558

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>>53178838

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>>53178845

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>>53178935
took me a while to work out which way around the coffin hotel was

>author of do androids dream of electric sheep says deckard is human but at the end he realizes that doesn't actually matter
>screen writer for blade runner says deckard is human
>ridley scott: "lol deckard is an android"
fuck blade runner

>>53179151
I'm getting somewhat depressed about Ridley Scott

>Here's Blomkamp's amazing Alien 5 idea
>Hi, I'm Ridley Scott, Alien is my baby, all others must die by my hand
>Here's Prometheus
>Here's Alien: Covenant
>PS ignore anything you've heard about the Alien 5 script being amazing, there was never a script, I didn't see anything, Alien 5 is crap and cancelled

>>53173223
Great contributions

>>53177712
Snow Crash was a parody of the cyberpunk genre, you doofus.

>>53179151
>implying it matters

>>53178796
Yeah true, that's a bit dumb

>>53178616
>The director is yet to make a bad movie, so there's reason to be hopeful.
>Reversion to Mean

>>53178650
>I'm not sure he's suited to sci-fi any more
He's not. He just plays Old Man Ford all the time erry time.

>>53178838
>>53178845
This guy's stuff is great.

As someone just getting into cpunk where should I start? What books should I read? So far my only experience is watching GiTs. Also as for RPGs, is it just shadowrun and 2020? I'm interested in shadowrun but it seems a bit complex.

>>53180245
>where should I start? What books should I read? So far my only experience is watching GiTs.
Blade Runner (movie)
The Sprawl Trilogy (Neuromancer, Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive) (novels)
Hardwired (novel)
When Gravity Fails (novel)
Cyber City Oedo 808 (anime)
Akira (anime/manga)
Bubblegum Crisis (anime series, encompasses six different shows and a manga)

As for RPGs, the big ones are Shadowrun and CP2020, and CP2020's only really still big in Poland. There are a number of others, however, that run the gamut from PbtA hacks (The Sprawl) to Rolemaster derivatives (ICE's Cyberspace) and everything in between. There's an image floating about that has a bunch of them (and SLA Industries, which is strictly speaking cyberpunk's close cousin biopunk).

>>53180245
Seconding this request as a GM interested in running a cyberpunk game using GURPS, have read Do Androids dream of electric sheep?, any other recommendations as well as any general tips for running a cyberpunk game.

>>53180380
No Robocop, Judge Dredd, Johnny Mnemonic, Strange Days, Total Recall, A.D. Police Files, Battle Angel Alita, Armitage III, Appleseed, Renaissance, A Scanner Darkly, Babylon A.D., The Running Man, Armitage III, Natural City, or Serial Experiment Lain. Are you even trying, chummer?

>>53180245
Personally, I'm sold to Cyberpunk 2020. It's not the best or most recent system in the world, but it's solid and pretty simple. I used it as intro system for new players. If I had to play a new game, I'd probably give Tech Noir a try.

>>53180781
>A.D. Police Files
Comes under BGC you doof.

>>53180807
This pathetic damage control. If the new guy is looking for Bubble Gum Crisis he will only feed Bubble Gum Crisis related stuff. And that's no fucking excuse for leaving Robocop or Total Recall out!

>>53180840
>Bubble Gum Crisis related stuff
Like ADPF. I did say
>encompasses six different shows and a manga

>>53180380
>>53180781
Good recommendations. I'd also add

>Stand on Zanzibar
>Mirrorshades
>The Girl Who Was Plugged In

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PKD is an oversensationalized nobody. His books were mediocre, his genre of ultra-grungy punk rock cretins died off early. His only claim to relevance is the small cult of purists who keep trying to define cyberpunk.

Bladerunner is the actual founding father. Followed by the numerous knockoff games and movies which mimicked themes from it.

>>53178558
armitage looks like batou m8

>>53180858
You only find it after reading a Wikipedia article, where it's only mentioned. If you don't know that it's there, you won't find it. Which would be a shame because A.D. Police Files is excellent and a perfect intro to cyberpunk.

>>53179151
DADOES is a terrible book. Legitimately horrible

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And if you search for Bubblegum Crisis under images, you only find BGC stuff, including ponies and cosplay.

>>53181039
I mean it has a brilliant concept and explores its theme effectively, but yeah I agree the writing is pretty horrible. PKD is brilliant but not the best storyteller, he gets caught up in the philosophical essay type of writing

>>53179151
who cares? the movie is only superficially related to the book. you would know that if you read it. the director can change it however he wants, and I think that makes a good ending. it just feels shitty now because of seinfeld syndrome

>>53173445

Bladerunner was a cautionary tale about the dangers of inadequate lighting.

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>>53181577
Kek

>>53177556
Neat. Still want something done of Market Forces or Black Man from the same author, though.

>>53177712
Snow Crash was post-cyberpunk, dimwit.

>>53175772
Cyberpunk encompasses more than just high-tech low-life.

Rare to see a Cyberpunk thread on /tg/ so I guess I'll ask quickly. Does anyone know if there are fall damage rules in Cyberpunk 2020?

>>53177712
You can't even use the word penultimate so I don't think I'll bother.

>>53180201
I mean, it worked out okay for Force Awakens - him channeling Lee Marvin almost makes you forget that the script makes Solo into a shit pilot, shit smuggler, shit husband, and shit father.
Admittedly, Deckard being portrayed as a fuck-up doesn't feel all that out-of-place. So maybe it'll work.
Still a redundant, pointless piece of nostalgia-bait not worth watching.

>>53183618
Yes, though high-tech/low-life is pretty central. Another important component would be the powerful and ruthless megacorporations. Tyrell seems to be big but it still has to conform to law. Then you'd have cyberware and cyberspace. Both don't seem to exist in Blade Runner.

>>53184556
There's not a lot of cyberpunk around that focuses on people within the corps, though. That's why I like Morgan's writing; it's not just J Random Loner.
Market Forces is about executives dueling each other in cars and then having to act polite in the office despite knowing you have to kill some of those people to get their job.

>>53184267
I feel Deckard is a bit more highly strung than Han Solo. I mean, Deckard was a cop who nearly died a lot doing his job and seems pretty stressed for most of the film. He did at least set a trip-wire trap/alarm in the tailer.

Han Solo is a smuggler and famous rebel scum, who gets to bang a princess, and has a giant dog-friend to help out. I guess he basically has more friends, and a whole interplanetary army that see him as part of a historic event, even if he's just slubbing around.

>>53179763
It does matter. It matters a lot. If Deckard isn't human, then any realization that androids are just like him is 100% meaningless because he is an android himself. Any dehumanization he experienced doing the job would also be meaningless as he's not a human to begin with. He's just a robot made to hunt down robots, and not a very good one at that. His realization that whether someone is android or human is only superficial would be greatly undermined by being an android.

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>>53184556
I think the closest we see to cyber anything would be the videophone

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>>53177527
>I've not heard much better than "meh"
You know how people were bitching about casting Johansson instead of an Asian woman and that it was whitewashing? The actual whitewash was taking a very Japanese story about depersonalization in society and the eventual acceptance of being subsumed by the collective, and retooling it as a story about a tough character's self-actualization by way of standard Hollywood action movie tropes 'the good guys lied to you' and 'tough main character reclaims sense of self by getting revenge.'

You can see Rupert Sanders categorically miss the fucking boat on 1997 film here:
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ghost-in-the-shell-director-rupert-sanders
Notably: "...there were things as a fan of the original that I felt had to be in there, that I really needed to cinematize and to translate much closer to the original. The water fight, exploding geisha heads, Major on the tank, Major jumping off the roof.
Fuck getting the tone and underlying themes of the narrative right, yeah? The important part is reshooting all the scenes I thought were cool.

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>>53188511
Ah, yeah that does suck.

Funny enough you could explain any given actress playing the Major in several ways - for one, she's built in a lab so has no need to look like anyone (other than for blending in, but she has literally invisible camouflage so w/e), we KNOW she doesn't belong so not fitting in actually works to a degree, and there's at least a few reasons someone might want to look like ScarJo

But to lose the point of the story because you were more focused on re-doing the shots is a bit shit.


Thanks for recommending Cyber City Oedo 808 whoever that was, it's alright

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>>53180245
TANK POLICE

FEEL THE POWER THAT WE GOT

TANK POLICE

WE'LL GIVE IT OUR BEST SHOT

>>53174480
Well, at least they got Doctor Strange right finally.

>>53188511
Actually the funny part is that Manga-Motoko's appearance was specifically made to be "generic" because otherwise she would be a target. That was part of the identity issue she was having - her external appearance was a commonplace version.

>>53183761
1d6 per 10 feet fallen, like normal.

>>53190513
thanks bruh, idk what you mean by normal. D&D is I think 1d10 per 10ft

>>53190620
>D&D is I think 1d10 per 10ft
It's 1d6 in every edition of D&D other than 4e. AD&D has an optional alternate progression of each 10 feet of fall distance adding [1d6 per ten feet fallen] (so 10' is 1d6, 20' is 3d6, 30' is 6d6, etc.).

>>53190620
Actually, I'm not sure if that is an official rule. I found it in a thread where somebody was asking where the falling damage rules were in Rifts UE, and somebody else gave CP2020 as an example of a system where fall damage was 1d6/10', but I can't find the book it's in.

Not like it matters, it's pretty easy to just declare that a houserule in effect. Might want to think about adding the ability to get shock absorbers in cyberlegs, though.

>>53191015
>Might want to think about adding the ability to get shock absorbers in cyberlegs, though.
hmmm, I think that would be a bit more deus-ex-y than I'd like. like falling implies you don't have control, so you wouldn't usually land on your legs. Like in 3.5 I would let people negate a certain amount of fall damage with a Tumble check, could do the same but with Athletics or something.

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>>53188178
We already have shit like robot legs and arms. Bionic eyes are also in their infancy, but they're extremely low resolution and only have 2 colors: black and white. There's also been someone who lived for over a year and a half without a heart, instead using a bionic heart that had to be carried around in a backpack.

Then there's also shit like Facebook and Google, which own websites that make up over 80% of all internet traffic, filtering content in favor of their preferred presidential candidate (not that it worked).

Neural networked artificial intelligence is just starting to boom; Nvidia recently released a (relatively) inexpensive neural network supercomputer for something like $150k USD to allow smaller business and schools to get their hands on the technology than could before. And there's other shit going on like that SPiNNaker project which is trying to make an accurate simulation of the human brain with hundreds of thousands of multicore processors, with each core emulating 1000 neurons each.

Then on the more consumer end of if, there's stuff like the Raspberry Pi foundation trying to get computers to people all over the world, the internet of things making internet connected home appliances more available, and self driving cars hitting the road.

A few months ago, there was a Formula E race between autonomous vehicles. A dog got onto the track and one of the cars managed to get around it safely, but the other crashed itself while avoiding the dog.

Most of this has been in the last couple years or so. Cyberpunk is trying really hard to become real.

I THINK I want to get out of this rathole. I WANT to get online. I NEED a computer.

>>53191493
>the internet of things making internet connected home appliances more available
Although it may be cyberpunkish to have everything in my home hackable from 1000 miles away I sure as hell don't want it and see absolutely no advantage to having a smart toaster or refrigerator or anything like that. I just hope that those tinkerer shops mentioned upthread will be able to thoroughly lobotomize any "smart" appliance that I might be forced to buy in the future due to lack of availability of a dumb version that would work just as well for all legitimate purposes.

>>53177588
>Deus Ex wasn't triple A

>>53192161
>Ion Storm
>Eidos Montreal
>AAA

>>53175772
>It's more a futuristic homage to noir detective movies
So, literally Cyberpunk then?
>than a high tech low life
And the market scenes? The characters? The run down cities? Low life is a heavy part of the old noir stories anyway.
>>53184556
>Both don't seem to exist in Blade Runner.
Other than the replicants, you mean. Cyberspace isn't a keystone of the genre, but an expression of it. The replicant technology fulfils most of the same checkboxes.

>>53169194
Blade runner as a story doesn't fit within cyberpunk proper.

However it's aesthetics and imagery inspired cyberpunk (and especially Gibson) so much that by its own account he molded his novels around it.

>>53190452
Did they get the bit about the Puppetmaster uploading itself to a shell of the same model as Motoko?

Also, the remake team consistently refer to her as Major in the third person, as if it's her given name, which I find incredibly jarring. Didn't they only do that in the original media when addressing her directly?

>>53172374
And if you're specifically playing the Cyberpunk RPG your pic is probably pretty related because Mike Pondsmith is pretty big on that stuff.

>>53177716
Sadly it also calls it clip capacity.

Note to self: put a standard weapon that actually uses clips in next campaign.

>>53179151
Now it's up to Scott to find someone to contradict him. Ford could be good.

>>53180380
>(and SLA Industries, which is strictly speaking cyberpunk's close cousin biopunk).
No its really just modern as it is all in the heads of a crazy Glaswegen guy and various folks on a drug

>>53195363
Double-spoiler that shit or Nightfall Games will fucking glass ya, mate.

>>53195363
We don't talk about the Writer's Bible. It's not even canon anymore.

>>53195201
It'd be more related if people could get themselves out of the Shadowrun mindset long enough to play a Cop campaign.

>>53195261
The gun has probably an internal magazine that is reloaded with 18-round clips. The Mauser C96 had the same design (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Tc_idfDp8). Nothing wrong there, apart that it's not very practical. The Philips gun is probably the same. The gun has a magazine and you load the magazine with a block of steel. The block of steel would be the clip.

>>53194136
No - only Batou called her Motoko. Everyone around her referred to her as Major, except outsiders, who referred to her by her last name.

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>>53195363
>That spoiler
Now I'm thinking about cyberpunk or cyberpunk-alike stuff set in some different locales

With the poverty and rampant drug use in some areas (anyone remember those US school kids who tried to start a charity campaign and got possibly the most Glasgow response ever?) as well as some pretty nice places it seems a fair fit for cyberpunk - it's always raining, half the people you see are off their face, even the nice areas are pretty grimy, it's famously violent, the sports fans are seriously tribalistic etc.

>>53195709
Didn't Corporation make Glasgow into one of the most important cities in Britain?

Has anyone ever run a space cyberpunk game? Like, CP2020 with Near Orbit/Deep Space or something?

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>>53195818
>Corporation
I don't know - a quick google doesn't suggest it, but maybe?

Vurt's getting an RPG - it's not really cyberpunk, but there's quite a few of the same vibes, and the game's art suggests quite a cyberpunk feel

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>>53196096

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>>53196101
No idea the source on this one but I thought it looked cool

>>53196053
Isn't Eclipse space cyberpunk?

>>53196127
Nah, it's too transhuman for that. It's more post-cyberpunk than anything.

>>53196096
I found the Glasgow mention.
Glasgow Skybridge Terminal
The Old City of Glasgow was destroyed in order to construct the
Skybridge Terminal. The populace were moved to the Old City of
Edinburgh which now suffers severe overcrowding and has been
the site of one of Eurasian Incorporated’s most violent rebel
uprisings to date. The UIG permitted E.I. to place a Spire over
Glasgow by way of an apology for creating the disaster that is Old
Edinburgh. As it stands now, Glasgow Spire and Terminal are
beautifully constructed, run and maintained. As a result it is
extremely successful and has become a hotspot for the rich and
famous.

So they took all the Glaswegians and put them in Edinburgh. I see no way this can go wrong.

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>>53196195
Is transhumanism the utopia while cyberpunk a dystopia of the same concept? That is, the evolution/involution of the human race.

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>>53195433
This is a cyberpunk thread so in the interests of the punk and tech part of the themes, FUCK DA POLICE!
Also I was a bit wrong because it has been a while as it was created in a crazy dudes head but has kept going after he suicided and is mostly real

>>53196266
It's probably important to note that this was declared non-canon soon after it was leaked, and the current direction of the game may not align with the one presented there.

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>>53196195
That definitely sounds like someone who knows both cities having a laugh.
Probably a weegie, but you never know.

>>53196246
I think one of the central conceits/themes of cyberpunk is that though the tools and environments of humans change, the people don't, on a fundamental level.
Transhumanism has people changing and evolving, cyberpunk has them pointedly not - usually emphasised for ill, with criminals and assholes, but there's quite often still lovers and freedom-seekers in there too.

Or that's how I interpret the difference, anyway

>>53196278
Have they even released anything since that leaked? I vaguely remember mention of a new edition at some point and that could be sweet.

>>53196246
Transhumanism is all ove rthe place as some are totally distopian and others utopian, more about the nature of being human than human nature if that makes sense

>>53196419
That leaked just after Cannibal Sector 1 came out, in 2007 right? In that case, there's Hunter Sheets 2 (that's just been/being printed), Ursa Carrien, Klick's End, Momic 0.1, The Dream, Threat Analysis - Hominid, Hunter Sheets - Red Alert, the Data Packets (Boomer, Croak, Titter, Gator, Shadow, and Krell), and the upcoming Cannibal Sector 1 wargame. They also reprinted the core rulebook as version 1.0 with version 1.1's cover and fiction.

There was a comment on the CS1 KS that they were planning on having a couple more supplements for v1.x (one of which I remember being called Whistling Bridge, and maybe another on The Dream or something), then advancing the timeline about ten years and making version 2.

>>53191493
>A dog got onto the track and one of the cars managed to get around it safely, but the other crashed itself while avoiding the dog.
>implying the dog wasn't carrying a remote relay for a close-range hack

>>53195709
>anyone remember those US school kids who tried to start a charity campaign and got possibly the most Glasgow response ever?
yes, I remember that

>american evangelicals doing "gods work" in 3rd-world Glasgow

>>53196643
>>53196419
So I went ratting through the KS comments looking for that other supplements stuff. Found this:

>If the CS1 wargame and RPG reprint do well, is there a possibility of seeing any of the older supplements (Karma, Mort, etc.) reprinted?
The resources it took for the RPG Reprint were considerable, higher than doing a new book. With the CS1 book, Shi'An and a few other surprises enroute.. we won't have the resource or time to redo Karma or Mort as the files for them are long lost and they would require completely redoing.
>Have you/Nightfall Games ever thought of adding content to support PC Shivers or Rival Company operatives?
We have, yes! Lots of cool stuff coming in the next few years ;)

Also in that pair of comments was something about the species makeup of the Shivers, but that was an "I'll ask Dave, but they're mostly human" response.

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>>53196831
From Update 78:

By that, we mean that the World of Progress is a living, breathing setting which will develop and expand in coming months and years. The Cannibal Sector 1 setting for the Skirmish game is an integral part of this story, as is the Shi'An Sourebook and Whistling Bridge - the future publications will advance the World of Progress in a huge story arc which will, eventually, take us to SLA 2.0! Its way too far off to talk much about that right now.

From Update 76:

RPG Update In amongst the Cannibal Sector One work I've been gradually plugging away at the rpg material. As I'm pretty sure I've already stated, there's two major releases to put out before we move onto the much-anticipated '2nd Edition SLA Industries'. That's the Shi'An Sourcebook, and Whistling Bridge. Right now, the focus is on getting the first part of Shi’An – Neophyte together, so I’ve dividing the time available (about 2 hours a day) between the art and writing. I’m hoping to at least get the first draft of this release into editing with Jared in February. Here’s one of the new interior illustrations I’ve finished for the book. Hope you like it. Until next time, Dave

Shi'An's the Dream/Grey sourcebook I was thinking of.

>>53194136
Motoko's known as Major to most people in universe, the Japanese fanbase and most of the Western fanbase use Motoko or the Major interchangeably.

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>>53169194
>sequel to a 30+ year old movie
>reboots
>remakes
>this endless cultural necrophilia
If there is a greater sign of the decline of our culture, I don't know what it is.

>>53197074
At least there's Mute (from the guy who did Moon), which sounds like cyberpunk Berlin

>>53196278
I like the underlying idea of a game having a Super Secret Background and if it gets leaked or there's a correct consensus as the designer you make up a new one. No rule changes, everything published except the Super Secret Background in the writer's bible remains canon, as designer you "just" swap out the back end.

>>53197328
>some dick leaked the source of all our material
>well, kill off those two homeless guys, and find me a new pair of homeless guys

>>53197372
I think just swapping names doesn't really count. noone said it should be easy.

But also, I'm generally opposed to having this fancy Background that you make Super Secret.

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>>53196696
Was so dumb

>>53196651
The question is, is it a hacker using a dog, or is the dog uplifted to be smart enough to be the hacker?

>>53196119
that's the last place I expected someone to cyberpunk-ify, is there a setting for this? Though that said, I did write a UK setting for CP2020 which was set in Liverpool

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>>53199716
Yeah, I wouldn't have thought so either
Apparently the guy is called Trevor Storey, but I haven't found any lore behind it - there's a couple of others but they've got really big spaceships in them

I'd like to know more about your Liverpool stuff though

>>53199928
>I'd like to know more about your Liverpool stuff though
The bulk of the doc I wrote isn't about Liverpool, it just suggests that Liverpool is the most likely place for a game in the setting to take place (which is exactly where my current games are set), along with Hull.

I can link it to you regardless if you like, I've shared it on here before but it generally gets a lot of stick because it's 4chan and no one is here to love anything.

>>53199964
Yeah, might be cool - I'm guessing Hull and Liverpool because they're both ports?

>>53200102
Yeah, would be Portsmouth too but the proximity to London makes it difficult

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cMsbLUgabxgvs5Y0Hr3j8_a70kbUz88vLBem9VGGQJM/edit?usp=sharing

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>>53177689
>>53177702
>>53177716
Missed one (although I was also missing one so thanks)

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>>53200145
I mean, the Eb and combat zone stuff I understand is for CP2020 (which is a bit odd world-wise anyway), but yeah that's pretty nonsensical on the whole.

Still, does make sense for both cities to be important

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>>53197074
>when I was a kid in the 1990s, they never made remakes of older movies

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>>53200467

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>>53199928
>tired of ridicule about their accents liverpudlian hackers engineer a virus that attacks the speech centres of brain
>rich and powerful corps rapidly develop cybernetic surgery techniques to repair or bypass the damage
>only the poorer civilians are unable to get the help they need
>newly spawned scouse-speaking communities cause a new spread of accent through multiple generations as part of their natural culture
>even today some parts of Brazil and Africa speak with a strong Liverpool accent

>>53201836
>a trio of other hacker groups get wind of this in the early stages
>unfortunately one is from birmingham, one is from newcastle, the other is from glasgow
>instead of doing anything to stop it they create their own versions

>>53196096
>>53196101
Speaking of which, did that Vurt RPG ever come out? It had a cool video trailer and the book was pretty good too, but I haven't heard anything in a long time.

>>53202996
Apparently, as of literally 2 days ago, the PDFs went out to the backers on Kickstarter

>>53197074
It's usually because old movies are lacking behind in visual technology. This makes their viewing experience somewhat underwhelming when viewed by a modern audience (used to modern standards). Only a handful of old movies 'age well'.

Remaking movies using modern technology / technique is not a problem.

>>53203076
Hmm, cool. Looking forward to previewing the PDFs...I might even buy the hardcopy book, the art was quite pretty.

>>53178477
Still very early preproduction. No cast attached as yet
megacityone.com

>>53203312
Ya, the art certainly looks decent

>>53172374

What's the source for that gif? Google brings up "Megatokyo" but that doesn't seem right.

>>53205860
Google tells me A.D. Police 1990

>>53205966
I think it's actually BGC. The clip appears in the ADPF MV for the MegaTokyo Mix, but at least 2/3 of that is clips from BGC episodes. It seems to be from a scene where the ADP are chasing the Sabers through a tunnel.

>>53200467
Escape from LA is at least nominally a sequel.

Does anyone have a download link for the Altered Carbon series? Everything I'm finding is sketchy as fuck, and I'd rather not put my firewall to the test today.

>>53207800
A.D. Police 1990 is BGC

>>53209675
It's a satellite series. I was meaning BGC itself.

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>>53200467
Not an argument. The situation gets worse every year.

>>53210888
>time increases right to left
I'm upset.

>>53194136
dude, the ONLY way to properly watch GITS of any kind (at least animated GITS) is to watch with subs. if you don't, you do not properly get the personalities of the characters involved, Japanese Motoko in particular - which is WAY, WAY cooler (literally) than in the English dub

>>53210888
as in the case of the memes of old 4chan (compared to 2017 4chan), the low-hanging fruit have been picked. there is nothing anyone can do about it.

>>53211120
to follow up on this: it's the same in music, etc. the 20th century was a Gründerzeit, a time of pioneering, discovery and expansion. it's slowing down.

and the slowdown is everywhere and responsible for what I believe deluded keynesians are calling secular stagnation. which great technological breakthrough in personal or home tech have we seen in the last 10 years except for smartphone and tablet? the tech curve is getting flatter.

now, it doesn't mean that we won't see any breakthroughs anymore. but like world records in athletics, it's becoming rare - unless you choose nullify existing world records under the pretext of doping suspicions, so that you can reemploy record-breaking for marketing purposes.

>>53210888
>Not an argument.
But a graph with no citations or axis scale does count as an argument?

>>53210888
>>53211203
This. You would have looked like less of an idiot if you hadn't posted any "sources" at all.

>>53211203
>>53211348
not him but is anyone seriously arguing that there aren't more reboots and remakes than in the past?

>>53200211
What's that from?

>>53210888
Even if you had shit like a decent infographic, that would just mean that viewers are stupid and only go see sequels and reboots.

>>53196246
transhumanist believe that technology will free humanity from its ailments allowing us to finally be the beautiful creatures we were meant to be.

cyberpunks believe that all joe schmo is going to do with his new cybernetic arm is beat his wife harder. Her new eyes will be used to steal credit card numbers from across the street. The hoover cars that drive themselves will still be carrying drugs and guns and whatever else because even if you give the powers of god to a shit head he's still just a shit head.

tl;dr transhumanist this technology make people better cyberpunk think that people will be people no matter what.

>>53211930
I think people are saying that "more sequels" /= a "decline in original movies". Even in that shitty infographic the red line doesn't look consistent enough to clearly plot, and seems to be at an all-time high in '11

>>53212067
Looks like altered carbon like the rest

>>53178303
>artificial wombs
>source is a "Dr Flake"
Sure, we believe you, buddy.

Kind of how I imagine South Night City, though with less blacks, more whites and latinos: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph3Tauf__1Q

>>53214715
It's not a full one, but it looks like it'll be good for very premature babies, and it's a step

Has anyone here ever run a game of The Sprawl? What were your experiences with it?

>>53211930

It's not at all implausible, no. The most famous rendition of King Long was a remake in like what, the 70s? And that was itself the third rendition of that same story iirc.

>>53217149

>Long

Wew

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>>53188511
This guy gets it.

>>53217252
Why is Vince Vega at MIT?

>>53210888
>>53211930
The graph also doesn't mentioned whether the box office revenue is adjusted for inflation, either. Many Hollywood films make less money in "real", inflation-adjusted dollars than older movies.

>>53217165
Heh