Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

FIRST BELONG TO DA ORKZZZ!!!

Dat long fucking neck.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/09/new-warhammer-40000-characters-may9gw-homepage-post-4/

Characters info.

>horde armies are going to be able to protect their characters efficiently
>Orks, Nids, and Guardsmen actually getting something nice
Okay but what about armies that rely on small specialist squads?

>>53144271
Nth for Magnusstar with over. Dozen wounds

>>53144306
Just think of it as all the dudes around him lining up to take the hits for him, like an automatic look out sir.

>>53144306
welcome to second edition bitch

>>53144306
It's only for certain characters with ten wounds or less. They give the example that Magnus can still be targeted anywhere because he's big as fuck

>tfw a few Psykers could rip a titan in half with a few Smites
Oh boy I can't wait to be the only Daemons player not running Tzeentch.

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>>53144328
>Nids, Orks, and IG not BTFO by today's news

The natural order has been tampered with

>>53144328
Specialists work alone.

>>53144264
Only the tyrant guard will get to protect the hive tyrant. Gaunts are too small to do it, just fucking watch they'll do;
>Hive Tyrant will have 11 wounds
because fuck nids

>>53144370
One smite per turn doesn't seem scary.

>>53144340
3rd you could just take a leadership test to ignore target priorities.

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heroic intervention looks like one of those gimmicks you don't get to use often

what do you all think?


post kino colour schemes

>>53144306
It's a bunch of really angry blue pauldrons shooting if your general direction. Aiming is hard.

>>53144314
I wonder if they'll give snipers a special rule that let's them target characters anyway.

>>53144376
>>53144328
>implying anything bigger than raveners/warriors wont have exactly 11 wounds

>>53144314
>Kroot Shapers are now HQ

The time of Kroot-only armies has come

>>53144404
What would be the point of snipers otherwise?

So what's the general consensus on 8th Ed so far?

>>53144370
>He thinks you'll be able to cast the same power more than once.

I know the average Grognard on /tg/ treats AoS like a Vampire treats garlic, but if you just glanced at the rules you'll see a lot of things to expect in 8th edition.

tl;dr: calm down autismo

>>53144394
I thought it just meant that HQ fight together with their armies without the need to make charge rolls for them too

>>53144419
Wounding on 4, rending?

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>>53144276
NOBZ IN A NAUT

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discribe your favorite independent character in 40k with "muh [blank]"
ill start
>Ahriman
>Muh Tragic downfall

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>>53144412
Kroot uprising soon?!

>>53144443
>Magnus
>dint do nuffin

>>53144443
Lets not.

>>53144443
ahrimans story has been well handled, and hes had good character development.

>>53144389
>one smite per turn
>per psyker
Pink Horrors and Rubric Marines are going to be stronk
>>53144427
Tell me where it says two different psykers can't cast the same power? Because I just double checked and it looks like they implied the exact opposite.

>>53144426
i think it can be described as excited but nervous
i for one am mega hyped and haven't seen anything that doesn't excite me

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>>53144455
>betraying your bonds of loyalty
We're not humans.

>>53144370
>a few
>implying
Titans are definitely going to be in the 100 wounds range. Assuming you can get a 10+ on every smite and always roll a 6, you're still going to have to cast it 16.666... Times.
Statistically you'll need to cast it 50.7 times, and that's assuming that titans don't have something like a 2+ save against mortal wounds, which they undoubtedly will.

I assure you anon, daemonspam downing titans is nothing to worry about.

>>53144471
They're memeing about Sigmar because they're salty about Fantasy.

>>53144430
but how?

if they don't charge they will be several inches away from a fight, probably more than the 3" of consolidation
if they charge after an infantry unit this last one may have already covered the front to come in contact with
if the charge first they will get a full overwatch

It seems very situational to me

>>53144490
we're what we eat

>>53144505
It's basically extra charge range for your characters if your other dudes made it to the fight without him.

>>53144500
>implying
You all are fools if you don't realize this change means sniper weapons will have a special rule allowing them to target whoever they want.
Which is both fluffy, and actually gives people a reason to feild ratlings, vindicares or sniper scouts.

>>53144529
Never mind, it's free counter-charge for your characters.

>>53144520
>we're what we eat

Wait, does that mean that if you have a GF you become a pussy ?

>>53144505
They have not stated as the rule exactly work, but for example it can work if the unit with the HQ is assaulted
Your opponent may not want to fight that HQ, because he's hard as fuck/is extremely strong
With that rule they can't avoid it easily, because the HQ can reach combat on his own

>>53144541
Unless every army has a sniper unit I don't see that happening.

>>53144552
Go back to plebbit

>>53144552
>he haven't seen krootmittens

>>53144549
I wonder if that also works in your own turn. Like :
>Unit charges enemy
>Character is very close but didn't charge
>Can still pile into the combat, without any overwatch coming his way.

>>53144505
If they're surrounded by dudes, which considering the bubble of buffs they should be, there's a good chance they'll be right behind guys getting charged at some point. That's what it's for. 3" consolidation doesn't matter when they're behind a row where you physically can't get to him. I'm not sure why you'd have a guy who's invincible unless he's the closest model to the enemy and put him standing in the front right next to your guys instead of behind them.

>>53144572
>he really thinks that there will be no way to counter the "you can't shoot ICs unless their closest" rule

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>>53144471
>Durrrr step into a time machine and reveal the rules for 8th edition right now

Okay i will.


Kroot Shaman know every power of the psykers they kill in cc

BECAUSE 8TH IS KROOT EDITION

Anyone have any ideas on how to build a better looking Noise Marine out of GW parts?

>tfw Tervigons will become impossible to target
I wish they had acess to Fleshborer Hives.

>>53144471
No, one per turn, full stop.

Rule of one.

I'm ready for Commissars to be squad upgrades like in 5th and I'm ready for Straken to be a beast and giving out combat buffs. Gonna be 5th all over again for Guard.

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>>53144604
Yes, snipers will have a retarded as fuck gimmick to shoot at ICs, they'll also be like a -1 AP and one shot each, which means most ICs won't give a single fuck

>>53144606
So they start with Smite and are barely ever actually useful?
>>53144616
What rule of one?

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Tell me about your dudes /40kg/

>>53144388

If that happens I'll take it. I'll go from 4 wounds to 11, which doesn't particularly make sense considering Girlyman went from six wounds to nine.

>>53144611
Use forge world parts

>>53144623
>implying
Please anon, do explain why you think sniper weapons and other forms of precision shot won't keep the only thing that makes them even marginally worth taking, especially when that benefit is actually useful now.
Go ahead, explain why you're such a tard thst you laugh at sniper weapons doing what sniper weapons already do, except now that's useful

>>53144642
They're red

>>53144642
my dudes > your dudes

>>53144644
girlyman gets to hide behind scouts. Hive tyrant only gets tyrant guard.

>>53144671
My dudes > your dudes in certain ways, but my dudes < your dudes in others because we all have weaknesses and strengths that shine in different ways

>>53144671
>>53144642
Dudes that I don't play but will pretend to to make people mad>dogshit>>>>both your dudes

>>53144642
They go fast, I wish they were the yellow guys but they don't go fast at all.

>>53144671
>>53144688
>>53144689
Kroot with sniper rifles >>>>>Fabius Bile>>>> Your dudes

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>>53144657
Dude just stop trying to poison the thread with such a bullshit speculative argument

>>53144640
AoS rule of one. Only one can cast a specific spell per turn.

>>53144712
>Fabius Bile

Say goodbye to your titans :^)

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>>53144376
>ICs get an area effect
>commissars can boost the leadership of multiple squads at once
>mfw

Are there any girls that play 40k at your LGS? What army do they play? Are they cool?
>someone tell me what it's like to meet a girl in general

>>53144717
Jojo reference?

>>53144727
Well that's even stupider.
Two psykers know the same power.
"Quick, cast smite on the enemy."
"I can't, someone on our team already cast that power!"

>>53144742
I guess you've never seen a /fit/ girl before

>>53144376

>S3 wounding T5 on 3+ and being wounded by S5 on 3+
>5+ saves will actually be taken against small arms now
>IG officers will inevitably keep their command squads

AGE OF IG

>>53144663
Yesssddd

>>53144745
I think commissars will squad upgrades and commissar lords will be characters.

>>53144739
Why insta death isn't a thing and moral is off models killed not wounds dealt. Even if he magically kills one they will have a led 7+ so even if they roll a six the rest of the squad is fine.

>>53144717
How did Jolyne Get out of prison?

>>53144764
Don't like it play open or narrative, they don't have that restriction.

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>>53144606

>Tau Auxiliaries Codex

YES

>>53144745
Good news everyone! The commissariat just learned a new tactic that lets them shoot anyone for cowardice! They're no longer confined to the 10-20 people they squaddie up with. What do you think of that?

>Every guardsman in the mess vomits in terror

>>53144754
There was one at my last LGS, she came in with her husband and played nids

Before that i knew a girl who came in with her boyfriend and played necrons

One of my coworkers has a girlfriend who wanted to play space marines. They never showed up in the LGS though.

Do we know if wound-allocation is still 'closest to attacking models first'?

>>53144764
Sometimes you have to sacrifice fluff for balance dude, it's why space marines aren't T5 with 3 wounds each

>>53144793
No, she looks like she has a correct distruction of fat and muscle.
git gut fatty

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>>53144541
>MFW I deploy 2 10 man ratling squads to deal with ICs

>>53144811
Nope, no idea what it will be.

>>53144800
It's like all of he best parts of tau and none of the bull!

>>53144811
If it's like AoS you will get to choose

>>53144825
*distribution

>>53144798
I don't want to play Open.
I might try Narrative though but god damn I fail to see the point of Open.
Is this a legit restriction in AoS? You think this will be a thing? Because it was implied exactly the opposite when they wrote the article talking about psychic powers.
Also this sounds like a really stupid rule, it makes no sense no matter what kind of bullshit they try to put behind it.

>>53144745
>>53144802
>Stick commissar in the middle of the army
>Execute 5-6 guardsmen every turn

>>53144832
Is that duncan?
Guess he has seen too much thick paint

>>53144839
But only one model at a time in a squad may have a wound.

>>53144427
Sure
>No Battle Brother, can't activate my force axe to slay that titan formation, Dave, my former battery from the psykana division already did this to punch a rhino. Gotta so with frag grenades today, since our assault marines already threw krak ones and our captain is munching cultist with our only meltabomb.

>>53144642
theres a lot of them
they die in droves
they serve chaos
they're green
they probably wont have rules on the launch day of the new edition =(

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>>53144832
>not already bringing low cost sniper Hobbits

>>53144854
It stops infinite summons chains. Which were a big problem. It also forced people to bring a variety of options rather than just mortal wounding the other army off the board.

If they're toting open as a legitimate play style they sure as hell better have plenty of scenarios in those rulebooks!

>>53144854
It's just an assumption people are making. It could be correct, but I'm doubtful. 8th does have a lot of similarities to AoS but they're not copypasting every rule.

>>53144857
920 noscope sustained fire with a plasmagun. A shame that he wasn't born earlier, could have been a good moritat

>>53144873
What are they

>>53144854
Yes, it is. And no it's not. It stops summoning spam and abuse of buffs.

>>53144868
Yeah it doesn't make sense but that's how it's gonna probably be but no one knows for sure , get over it and stop shitposting trying to start an argument nigger

>>53144873
Dark Angels will be fine, Anon!

So /40kg/, What is your favourite model in your army?

Traitor librarian is mine

I knew it was coming
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/09/new-warhammer-40000-characters-may9gw-homepage-post-4/

>>53144912
renegades and heretics

>>53144854
The reason Rule of One exists in AoS is that there is a spell which all armies have access to that gives a unit +1 to its save. This is a very powerful spell and if you can stack it, things go out of control. Looks like they learnt their lesson since there's no such common power in 40k (only the D3 mortal wounds one) so there shouldn't be any need for a rule of one.

>>53144926
>>53144314

>>53144924
see
>>53144927
was a pretty good meme though

>>53144926
It's the third reply, slowpoke.

>>53144896
Open play is open, there doesn't need to be any scenarios or complexity.

Just shove models on a table and start rolling.
Matched - classic 40k
Narrative - Scenario 40k
Open - do whatever

>>53144896
Open is intended for games for new players who only have a box of guard or marines or what have you, so they can learn the rules.

Narrative and matched grow from there.

>>53144314

Isn't that Heroic intervention a rule from Lord of the Rings?

>>53144443
>Typhus
>Muh Deamondaddy

>>53144642
They're an Imperial Fists successor specializing in close combat tactics. They are called the Crusaders of Dorn. For millennium, the chapter has been tasked with the pretection of the desert world of Lemabeth, for within the fortress-capital resides a powerful artefact touched by the emperor himself. The world has been striken with the chaos and destruction of the great rift, and yet the Crusaders of Dorn endure, hacking and slashing against the waves of heretic monstrosities that assault the holy city.

>>53144642
Desert based armored recon.
About a 40/60 mix of infantry and armor.
And based on the new rules about to be reinforced by 5-15 more ratling/snipers.
And eventually this year they will get a imperial knight ally as well.

>>53144892
Infinite summon chains have already been stopped.
>>53144904
The less similarities it has to AoS the better.
>>53144913
Summon spam has been halted, why would buffs stack with themselves? Other buffs sure but themselves?
It's retarded on every front.
>>53144936
Why the fuck didn't they just say this power doesn't stack with itself? Or that buffs don't stack with themselves? With this you can give one unit +1 to their save if you manifest, if they did it like they weren't retarded you could cast that buff on multiple important units.

>>53144993
Also, I can't decide whether they should use tactics for Black Templars or Carcharadons

>>53144925
Coteaz
Only loyalist HQ that makes me feel like all my grand schemes are coming together, also hellishly cool and detailed model even for finecast, wish I had mine with me to post
>raptors with melta land behind him
>doesn't even turn around
>snaps his fingers as the traitors are vaporized by melta and plasma that was already being aimed at where they landed

>>53144925
Either my bike sorcerer, or my lord on bike with power lance.

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>>53144993
based

>>53144880
You are right but now I have more reason to get more.

>>53145067
Hopefully they get new models soon, at least they're metal and not shitcast
>cry harder aspect fags

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>>53145036
>1d4 levels of shitposting

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>>53144832

>mfw you bring your rat sniper men

>>53144642
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, but instead of a AI who wants to learn how to tell jokes, it's a Patriarch.

Also, they didn't stop dropping rocks on the planet.

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So how will Mek Guns likely be in 8th?

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>>53144328
Nided.

>>53145132
Sorry bro! My independent character is a tank! Snipe this!

Oh god commissar tanks yes please!

>>53144426
"Cautiously optimistic"
I'd give news so far a solid 8/10

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>>53144854
>>53144764
>>53144640
>>53145009

Nigga do you want to be bent over the board and ass fucked by Psykers™? do you want Magnus the Red™ casting Smite 60 times before the shooting phase? No? then play matched.

Now shut the fuck up nerd, buy some Nu-scale Space marines™, and shut up again

Kind Regards, Games Workshop™-.

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>>53145181
Tfw pask has 15 wounds with a 2+ and his own unique tank model

>>53145177
>Battleshock losses.png

>>53145158
>I'm probably /fit/ter than you'll ever be
pretty unlikly lad

>Don't you see the massive sink in the side of her belly, like if half her ribs were missing?
anon...anon you know your ribs dont go down to your belly right?I mean really lad, you claim to be fit, you silly fuck

>>53145158
I think that's not her belly
She's just wearing her pants really low and that's her hip

Also there wouldn't be ribs there in any case

>>53144858
I don't think Duncan would use a rifle.
more likely
>you show Duncan your thick paints
>he invites you over to "teach" you how to paint in a private lesson
>you arrive to find Duncan smiling
>He takes you to a back room to show you how to get a nice thin coat on a model
> you enter the room to find a porcelain bathtub half filled with water
>he sweeps your legs throwing you head first into the tub
>as you land you crack your head against the side of the tube and start to bleed
>He holds your head under the water until no more bubbles appear and you cease to struggle
>He now leans over in front of a camera and grabs his brush, palette and a Chaos Lord from a table
>He dips the brush in the bloody water an wipes it on the palette and says "be sure to get a nice amount of you Mephiston red on your palette and don't forget to get it nice and thin as we will be using two thin coats
>He calmly applies your blood to the model and finishes the video

>>53144427
They specifically said they want psykers to scale well with game size, and they've stated there will be a relatively small pool of powers. That being the case, it will be impossible to avoid some power overlap in larger games. The Rule of One cannot coexist with seamless scaling of army size.

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>>53145135

>they didn't stop dropping rocks on the planet

Are they lead by Char Aznable then?

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>>53144314
Oh, so they copied the AoS hero system

>>53145158
She's just toned as fuck anon, also I got a B in anatomy but I don't think ribs go that far downs

>>53145213
Psykers have never been able to cast the same power twice, but two separate psykers have also never limited each other.
Because both ideas are stupid.
Also no, I don't play Space Marines.

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So, they no longer let characters hide in units, but they can hide right next to units?

And they don't give a buff to the unit they join, instead they give a buff to all units within a certain radius.

This is meant to stop deathstar combinations how exactly?

Also, fuck everything about that hiding from shooting bullshit. You can target a unit of ratlings behind a unit of ogryn, but a guy who is way bigger than an ogryn can hide behind ratlings? Except not if you're a bad guy race, because all their big guys are going to be slightly above the threshold.

There was literally nothing wrong with the current rules except for badly written special rules spreading onto units that were joined by characters. Just remove all the automatic group benefits and have them grant them conditionally to units with certain keywords and it would have been fine.

>>53145135
Fuck.
Now I'm craving semi-political hard(er than usual) sci-fi.

Why does 8th have Ork Mob Rules? I mean why are my models killing each other like Orks when they fail leadership?

>>53145256
Copied and improved very much, it appears

>>53145256
>Oh, so they copied the AoS
yes

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Who are the chavs of 40k?

>>53145275
Except Ariman with his "spam-shit 4 eva stick"

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>>53145026
>his robo-eagle clawing out eyes and feeding on the dead

>>53145303
those look like neds desu

>>53145303
Orks, Imperial Guard.

>>53145158
You're looking at her from the side, that's her fucking hip. The reason there's the cut there is because if you lean back like that your abs are tightened to hell to hold you up. It's just you that's having trouble with anatomy.

>>53145286
Yeah, they added some kind of snipe-defence. AoS was a beta-test for AoE and now AoE will work as beta-test for AoS2. I like this

>>53145281
Because now it will be "This unit gives bonus X to the units and in most cases it could end up being "the nearest unit", not all of them with the keyword Y within Z inches"

Just to give an example, now Azrael can't most likely give a blob of guardsmen his 4++, since the rule will most likely say that they must have the Dark Angels keyword

>>53144426
Optimistic, wirh reservations.
I wish charge wasn't a random value.

>>53145304
Oh yeah, he breaks a few psychic rules with that stick though, like "a psyker may only cast one witchfire per psychic phase"

>>53145303
Chavs playing any 40k army.

>>53145349
>chavs playing 40k at all

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Back to the age of Big Mek bubbles

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>>53145145
Hopelessly weak. They already screwed everyone who was willing to pay the price to make an ork army that was capable of winning, so there's no incentive to make them OP again. Plus most of the things that make them good are accidents of rules which are unlikely to be repeated in the same way in a new edition.

On the other hand, if they keep random AP, the ones which do that will be less shit because there's no more AP 4 being wasted against Sv 3+ units.

>>53145285
It's not mob rule.
Its daemonic instability/crumble

>>53145365
IZ GONNA GET ALL SPARKY UP ERE LADS

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Are there any 40k characters that can manipulate time? The only ones I can think of are kairos and Orikan the Diviner, but they really just see into the future
Feel like it would be cool to have a model that can once per game redo a fight subphase or something like that to show he's fucking with time

>>53145324
If he even gives an invul anymore. The are supposed to be very rare

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>>53145324
Right, but the changes they made to character rules didn't fix that. Making the bonus locked to the faction keyword was what did that. They could have easily done the same thing with the old character rules.

>>53145311
I've killed off Warlords and termies with that fucking Eagle, it's not to be fucked with

>>53145381
In anycase it does not feel like a proper retreat and just model exploding on site.

Something I never liked about AoS was that, faster game sure. But it just felt odd

>>53144460
>independent character
>Magnus

This ain't the Horuz Heresy, you're a jolly red giant and couldn't even follow the rules.

>>53145275
If you had two IC psyker joined in same unit only one of them could cast any given power.

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>>53144271

>>53145365

Well, that might be interesting for Orks if Forgeworld ever updates their Ork line.

I believe in addition to the Big Mek, they'd have a tank and two walkers that could take a KFF.

Probably not a game changer, but slightly more useful than before. Especially since one of them can join a squadron of dreads.

>>53145399
Actually Orikan the Diviner can travel through time, it's how he ensures his predictions always come true.

Also it wasn't intentional but there were some time travel shenanigans in the Ahriman novels.

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Post pics describing 8th edition

>>53145441
Magnus is too big of a guy to be in a unit

>>53145481
Why not make himself smaller and be sensible oh wait he is Chaos marine. He is retarded by default

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Considering that Characters can no longer be part of a unit, but instead can't be targeted by shooting unless they're the closest, and spread their buffs to all units of the same faction/army within X inches rather than just the unit they joined ... You could say that Characters now automatically join ALL units within range.

Only being able to target a character if it is the closest unit also allows fast, mobile units like speeders or bikes to actually make a run for the 'decapetating strike'

Seems like there will be a lot more tactics around killing characters or keeping them safe, or at least more than "Can I stick this character in the most tanky unit y/n" and "Do I have the firepower to remove the unit around the enemy warlord y/n"

>>53144925
I really like Greyfax and after that my IG commanders. I made one count as for Creed and one for Straken. The Creed one I like the most. It's the 2 Hot shot pistol arms from the Scion kits and a Scion helmet with the spike on top. He looks like a kick ass gunslinger commander. The Straken one just has a robotic power sword arm and a power fist arm along with the Scion Beret and mask head.

Greyfax though is just so fierce. She's so much taller than everyone else and on a bigger base. She just looks bitchy and cold. I always make her lead my Conscripts, but I don't use the Greyfax rules. I usually do a Xenos Inquisitor with Rad Grenades, a Force Sword and Psychic Shriek.

>>53145477
That's one thing I love about him, he's not very good in melee, but the rules for his staff of tomorrow implies he fought you and then went back in time before loosing to fight you again, but this time knowing what moves you'll make so he can get more hits in

>>53145423
Here's hoping Crusaders are good so I can have an IMPERATOR VULT inquisition rape train

>>53145494
>Someone as arrogant and egotistical as Magnus not making himself the largest thing on the battlefield

>>53145527
>Getting shot down by laspistol due to size
Yep total retardation

>>53145495
Can't you just put the character in the middle of the unit and consider the unit to be around him in a "doughnut" shape?

That way you would most likely only affect that unit like now, but you wouldn't be snipped unless there are units that can avoid that rule, since there can not be an enemy unit that doesn't have a model of the friendly unit between it and the character

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>>53145550
We shall name this manoeuvre "Cream Pie"

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>>53145480

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>>53145495
>mfw tactics in my 40k

>>53144490
>loyal
the kroot are constantly disobeying the tau, taking work from other species so they can eat more things

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>>53145578
Smooth

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>>53145578
Is this what the sisters of battle use as dildos to test their faith?

>>53144642
splinter fleet from behemoth gets reawakened and picked up by a small tendril of leviathan after a century of hybernation; the twin fleets of the so called amphiteres now orbit each other in a dance that make them share resources, compete for genetic domination and ultimately fuse into a single hive

the hive fleet is relatively small to the point the genestealer cult one of its genestealers spawned ended up becoming an almost more powerful force on itself, mainly due to its spacebound nature allowing it to outrun the tyranids and its patriarch to evolve into a new and horribly bloated form on its overgrown biothrone

main characteristic of the biomorphs of this swarm is the symbiotic relationship with the psychoreactive colonies of unicellular beings "adopted" during the invasions of the mining worlds of dyte's gates, noticeable on the tyranids of the fleet thanks to bioluminescent spots over their carapaces

the fleet seems keen on testing new and extravagant biomorphs but incapable or unwillingly to stabilise the mutations into a specialisation for the whole swarm; most exemplary of this behaviour is the stealth-o-skull pic-captured deployment of a strain of hive tyrant, named "gnasher" by the greenskins fighting it, seemingly incorporating the same gravity warping technology of the narvhal-ships into a miniaturised set of thick claws on thin mantis-like limbs capable of punching burning holes into space, the barely contained forces unleashing havoc among greenskins and the swarm supposedly tearing the tyrant itself apart if the interpretation of the blurry pic captures is to believed

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>>53145527

>>53145495
well, I know I might actually dust off my MM landspeeder to blow up characters

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>>53145480

>>53145240
What if instead of the rule of one, they add a rule so that units cannot be affected by the same abillity more than once each turn?

I think such a rule would scale well as a power would have more targets in larger games and would prevent repeated stacking buffs and easy psychic focus fire (aka no smite spam on the same unit).

>>53145671
Okay, that's pretty fantastic

>>53145543
Flying monstrous creature getting shot down by a laspistol? If the dice hate you that much then it's destiny. Magnus is used to getting his ass kicked because he thought he deserved it.

>>53145283
There's not enough of it in the world.

>>53145243
Well, they are NOW.

Can jump packs be good please?

>>53145578

>this kills the warlord titan

>>53145626
They do mercenary work for almost anyone. Thats what they do. But they all return to the Pech eventually and Pech is part of the Tau empire. Kids going to be au-pairs aren't betraying their families. They are broadening their worldview.

>>53145684
>dice hate
Its a 1 in 6 chance to wound. Doesn't take much hate

Also interesting that we didn't hear anything regarding Challenges in 8th, which I would think falls under the umbrella of character rules. Since characters are no longer parts of larger units, they now enter melee separately I suppose, and the target unit doesn't have a character in it, so you can't just call out a challenge to that unit. Do you think challenges might instead be a calling out a challenge to enemy characters within X range?

>>53145700
If chainswords are AP -1 then ass marines will be pretty big guys

>>53145716
MCs in general are going to have tons of wounds. It'll take a lot of concerted laspistol fire to down one.

>>53145716
Don't forget to-hit, armor/invuln saves, and the extra wounds.

>>53145427
Battleshock represents individuals in a unit fleeing combat. That is why models (even multiwound ones) are removed during battleshock rather then the unit taking wounds/mortal wounds.

>>53145717
Its likely that challenges will be going away, as you can just attack the separate unit that is the character.

>>53145135
So i just looked up the plot synopsis for this, and it looks dumb as hell

>>53145716
>1/6 chance to hit
>1/6 chance to wound
>1/36 chance to fail a 2+ rerollable
>1/3 chance to fail a grounding test
>1/3888 chance to get shot down by a laspistol
The dice really hate you

>>53145747
I'm seriously doubting he gets a 2+ rerollable in 8th.

>>53145739
As mentioned above, it's entirely possible (as far as we're aware) to just donut a defensive blob around an IC still, and this would make it such that you cannot charge said IC. A hypothetical challenge mechanic would allow you to try to draw out such cowardly characters. It's also really thematic for the 40k world to have Warbosses bellowing out "FIGHT ME YA GIT" to some farseer or something.

>>53145731
Actually it's more than just units fleeing. It can represent taking the wounded back to base, a wound they had taken earlier finally catching up to them, a lucky shot blowing the generator on their power armor. Anything that takes them out of combat for 10-15 minutes is enough to be battleshock.

I was reading about Titans because I like planning silly projects even if I'm working on the whale-stormbird at the moment, and 1d4chan mentioned an unreleased Imperator Titan with an aircraft carrier deck instead of a cathedral. Is there any substance to that, or is it just 1d4chan being 1d4chan? Sounds like fun to build.

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>>53145480

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>>53144443
>Swarmlord
>Muh Space Gargamel

>>53145716

Yeah, but is that really a big deal?

Weren't Necrons already able to do that easier than most factions will be able to in 8th?

>>53145717

Challenges are gone for sure. There's no way something that clunky is staying. I'm amazed overwatch made the cut.

>>53145747
>tfw fateweaver has these exact same odds and your seargent shoots him out of the sky with his trusty sidearm

So they seem to be trying to nip deathstars in the bud. I don't know if this is the right way to do it but it is one of the ways i guess. Every new article that comes out that messes 7thed meta makes me hopeful for 8th.

>>53144754
My gf plays Gks/Inquisition.

>>53145801

It's likely from Titanicus.

>(we’re looking at you, Dark Angels and Space Wolves, running around in your Ravenwing/Thunderwolf units).
They've mentioned this multiple times, are multi faction deathstars really that viable after they couldn't start together?

>>53145801
Never heard of that myself, but it's entirely possible, especially before the Heresy.

>>53145843
Well the biggest thing they can do to screw deathstars is change what psychic powers are available.

>>53145843

I just wonder if it's done anything in favor of or against vehicle and walker spam.

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Kroot armies, never ever

>>53145843
I guess 40k players will have to use actual tactics now

>>53145864
There's nothing stopping Battle Brothers from joining eachother during deployment. You're just not allowed to start in eachother's transport vehicles.

And only being able to kill the parts of an unassembled deathstar if you have to first turn, and then just your shooting phase, isn't that great. Specially with proper LOS blocking terrain.

>>53145906
Looks like your memes will stay dreams kroot fags, buy more battlesuits like good little slaves

>>53145881
Squads being able to split fire might curb a lot of vehicle heavy lists since you can afford to give every squad a lascannon or melta now. Then again your designated tank fucker might get knocked out by battle shock so it might be a good idea to still keep an anti-armor unit instead of just one big gun in a group of small ones.

>>53145854
Yeah, that was my line of thought.

>>53145867
Guess that's another thing going in the Ideas Book, along with the crawler Ordinatus Minoris crab-tank with Volkite turrets and quad-mortars that shoot The Cloud from New Vegas, the Admech Manta with a lower foot made of two pairs of Baneblade tracks just to start with and the Genetor Warhound with cast deer skull built in as head and torso. At least I'm building one of those.

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>>53145930
Fuck you.

What one thing could GW do to ruin 8th for you bar squatting armies?

Is 8th edition looking fun?

>>53145981
Yup.

>>53145911
Someone will find a way to break it and render all tactics moot. Only real change is more frequent updates.

>>53145981
More fun than 7th edition. Though admittedly that isn't hard to achieve

>>53145919
Oh wait really? I thought units couldn't join together at all until the game started
>tfw you've been hiding coteaz in a corner turn one and then joining in the movment phase for months

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>>53145976

>replace ww1 era tech leman russes with skimmer leman russes that shoot plasma lasers that guilliman personally designed and cawl built secretly on mars

>>53146019
The marines can get more advanced tech and become more sci-fi, but let the guard stay rugged and utilitarian

>>53145864
They are concerned about loyalist marines working together, but things like Eldar, Tau and Inquisition working together is not a problem?

So if space marines get over a dozen implants in 40k what implants do you get in the modern marines?

>>53145976
Adding those stupid joke rules AoS has like twirl your mustache or fart in opponent's direction for X bonus.

>tfw people are still defending AoS as a good game while GW actively designed rules to shit on them.

>>53145671
KEKE

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So, I think I see why characters can't join units anymore. There are a bunch of things that give a buff to a unit, notably psychic powers. In 8th edition there will probably also be things which give a unit extra actions, re-rolls, etc. using command points. In order to prevent one form of abuse of this rule, they stopped you from letting you give all your characters a buff along with a unit.

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>>53146019
If it weren't for the skimmer part and they were literally just plastic Leman Russ Incinerators I'd be okay with it.

>>53146013
7th had something I was hard to do since 3rd for me.

Proper Witch Hunter army. SoB, Inquisition, Storm Trooped and IG in a single army.
Sadly waacfags abused this till the point of boring.

>>53146002
Day one 2-3 army builds will cause people to freak the fuck out because they are gamebreaking or unbeatable, and then people will actually play them and see why they aren't, and hopefully the strong lists that do rise to the top aren't as broken as the ones in 7th

>>53145837
What's wrong with overwatch? It's not clunky.

>>53146047
No clue, they might get less implants but better ones, the same but modified to be more effective, or maybe even more.

Who knows.

We don't even know what the modern marines are yet

>>53146047
The alcoholism gland

>>53145976
Not much.
Drop the Orks FW models and rules would be about it, I put too much work into my conversions to be saddled with "counts as looted tank/deff dredd".

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>>53145823
>you can protect tyrants with litteral screens of disposable gaunts
>hormagaunts are fast enough to run around units, such assaulting other IC hidden behind their own troop-walls
>nids somehow BTFO

This makes no sense, just like Fabulous Bile supposedly killing titans all alone, for some reason.

>>53144613
That's only if they gain the character keyword again. And they said in the large models post that the largest nids will be above a dozen wounds. I'm guessing mawlocs and trygons at 14-16, tervigons and tyrannofexes at 12-14, harpies/hive crones/maleceptor/drop pod/exocrine at 10-12, and carinfex and tyrants at 8-10.

11 if they want to shaft us further.

>>53145976
Nice try, Cruddace, but you'll have to think of ideas yourself.

>>53146075
God why are leman russes the sexiest tanks in the galaxy? Can you think of a more fuckable piece of heavy armour?

>>53146090
My guess is that they're just an optimized way of making new marines, so that the amount of casualties among aspirants is lower and thus more can be made without sacrificing quality.

They're not that much bigger than normal marines so I don't think they'll be super marines.

>>53146089
It is annoying. Making charges harder than they are already.
Right now you need to by lucky or have them so close to the enemy that rolling is not even needed.

Charges and overwatch was odd and clunky in 7th. 8th it seems a mix of 3rd with 7th. Which doesn't look good right now.

>>53145911
Rather than players bringing guns to a paintball match, they'll find a way to bring frozen paintballs

>>53146121
>Hive Tyrants have ten and a half wounds
>Rounded down to see if they're kill or not.

>>53146137
>waaa I'm not guaranteed to get my squad of absolute rape in combat because taking risks is too annoying

>>53146146
Where were you when hive tyrant was kill?

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>>53146119

storyline wise, chaos confirmed big bad and central antagonist despite nidfags telling people here otherwise, nids not featured on the new map, etc

>>53146119
But what about the donut-defense?

>>53146137
I don't see how it's annoying, the enemy has a small chance to maybe kill 1 or 2 dudes before you get in and absolutely destroy them.

>>53145318

The bottle of bucky gives it away

>>53146119
I Play nids and am going to enjoy a hearty chuckle when all these dumb Tyrant screen tactics are BTFO the day the rulebook drops and it says Monsters can't do that

Maybe i'm just conditioned to brace for disappointment but WHY would Tyrants be able to hide behind tiny gaunts? that doesn't even make sense, i would feel bad telling my opponent that

Tyrant Guard, yeah no shit, if they DON'T have a look out sir type rule for friendly Tyrants within say 3 i'll be shocked, but nothing else.

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Here's a visual for the new wound chart in comparison to the old. Not included are S/T10+ but thats a given.

>>53144642

A Necron lord who has gone insane thinks that he has contracted the flayer virus and mutilates corpses and pretty much acts like a flayed one even though he isnt. He made a cape out of flayed skin and demands his lynchguard do the same. He wakes uo every once in a while to kill things in his home system but goes back to sleep when he feels he has "fed" enough

>>53146141
That's actually a really astute way to discribe it
Waacfags are still gonna try and break the game, but hopefully they don't break it as bad

So if you surround a character with a blob of chaff, your enemy can't just launch artillery at it because templates are gone and the chaff is closer?

>>53146152
Anon I play Guard. I don't want people near me in melee, but I understand how annoying it is.

Picture shooting was like assaulting.
Roll to see distance, regardless if you can shoot the other unit, the enemy unit can assault you back.

It is silly to have random charges. Specillay now when movement value is a thing

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>>53146121
I'm thinking we might see a bunch of twelve-wound ones. Monstrous creatures are already tougher than your average character, and the idea that you can't target a synapse creature with anything until you defeat an entire horde army seems like a bit much. I'd prefer they still force a choice to either mow down the horde or go for the bigger targets. The balance I'm hoping for with nids comes from versatility and rebalanced point costs.

>>53144426

It's 2nd Edition without the extra bulk.
So good.

>>53146200
So basically higher strength weapons got worse against lower strength models in exchange for lower strength weapons being buffed
Infantry hammer is upon us

>>53146173
If Nids were featured as the big bad during the reboot of 40k this season, who would be the big bad to keep interest next season?

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>>53146173
As a nidfag, I'm ok with this.
We are hungry npc space bugs devoid of personality, not the big bads of the story.

>>53146224
>Sasktel
Hello Leaf.

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>>53146224

>CSM loses the retarded challenge rule

>>53146197
No such thing as MCs anymore, anon. Besides, GMan went from T6 W6 to T6 W9, and is not exempt from the shooting rules.

Tervigons will rules 8e.

>>53146229
I can imagine tyranid warrior primes being able to hide behind the hordes though.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/09/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-astra-militarum/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/09/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-astra-militarum/

>Nope, now, with the added “encouraging” presence of a nearby Commissar – which limits the losses of a bad Morale test – Astra Militarum are downright stalwart.

Looks like Commisars will limit battleshock casualties to 1.

>>53146224
Aww. I know it was clunky, but it was flavorful. So now you just try to use your 3" pile in to drag in the hiding enemy character? Seems like we'll have a lot more character v random guys and less character v character, at least until the units start to get small.

>>53146252
Loss of challenge-gained chaos boons, though.

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So, according to the 40k facebook, challenges are gone but you can choose which unit to attack in close combat. Does this mean that characters are likely to get killed by squad leaders all the fucking time?

>>53146281
You still need to be able to reach them. Just surround your squishy character with chaff.

>>53146260
Yep, it's not just being hard to hit because dudes are in front of you, it mentions being the closest target to you. 10+ wound monsters are supposedly so big they stand out and are easy to tell from the rest of the crowd. Smaller ones are lost in the blur.

>>53146258
>No such thing as MCs anymore, anon

Unconfirmed

AoS has keywords, 8th is confirmed to use keywords.

'Monster' is a Keyword in AoS, and cannot benefit from cover in matched play for example

Stop talking as if you know the 8th rulebook, nothing beyond a handful of information we have is concrete

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>>53146281
Yes.
Doom is upon us, abandon all hope, ebay your shit for 10% retail and drop the link

>>53145215
More likely he'll have 30 now that GW saw fit to put him in a FUCKING BANEBLADE!

>>53146272
We all saw it coming, but it's nice to have confirmation. Let's hope nids and orks get similar ways to avoid the worst of battleshock.

>>53146262
>>53146272

>What if Bullgryns and Rough Riders were actually scary in combat?
>Rough Riders
>Rough
>Riders

NEW ROUGH RIDER MINIS WHEN?

>>53146272
Rough Riders got namedropped.

Also snipers being allowed to target characters regardless of intervening units confirmed.

>>53146262
Holy shit they listened and gave actual examples! I saw on the facebook page they mentioned that people HATED the chaos marine article because it told us nothing we didn't already know, and they'd take that into consideration. Hopefully they update that one.

>>53146224
>>53146281
My guess would be that when two ennemy characters are in melee, they are locked into fighting each other until one of them dies or retreats.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/09/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-astra-militarum/
>Guard Player
>Leman Russ fan.
> "Leman Russes, for example, have Toughness 8 and a 3+ save, so they won’t be slowing down until they’ve lost half of their 12 Wounds."

Stop Stop, my battlecannon can only get so erect

>>53146272
Rapid Fire is now actually useful, and if Sniper AND Precision Shots allows you to target characters through Priority screening then Skitarii Rangers might actually Git Gud again.

>>53146272
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/09/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-astra-militarum/
>>53146262
ahahahahahaha

i only need 200 guardsmen to kill a titan now!

>>53146272
Way better than the chaos article, hopefully future articles will continue to provide little rule tidbits.

>>53146272
That's quite a leap of faith from "limits losses of a bad morale test" to "limit 'shock caualties to 1".
Anyway, nice article that actually gave us something unlike chaoscucks who got empty promises in their focus article.

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>>53146272

>Orders auto-work now

Based GW

>>53146329
>ahahahahahaha
>i only need 200 guardsmen to kill a titan now!

I swear, this shit is the worst meme.

>>53146173
>"(Alleged) bad guys"

>>53146329
And then one sixth of your guardsmen die

I call that a success if I've ever saw one

>>53146322
I'm still waiting to see if I can keep my Inquisition, SoB and IG army. While not getting dick over by command points

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>orders autowork
>commissars limit battleshock
>leman russes are T8 3+ with 12 wounds
I've never nutted so hard in my life

Hey, we got what Rapid Fire X is! Looks like X shots at full range, or X*2 at half or less.

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Leman Russ stats we now know:

Toughness 8
3+ save
12 Wounds

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>>53146272

>plastic cadians photo
>plastic cadians photo
>plastic cadians photo

Remember when people thought Steel Legion were getting plastics?

if every faction gets the same treatment as they just gave IG then this will be the golden age of 40k. (at least until people figure out whats broken so like two months)

Hold on to your butts!

>>53146272
makes sense, commissars shoot 1 to keep the rest in check

>no more faction focus
damn it

>>53146375
3rd edition meme? Same as plastic SoB next month?

>4 lasgun shots per guardsman at close range
god damn

Did we get told what faction focus is next?

>>53146241
What the Tyranids are running from

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>>53146272
> Leman Russes, for example, have Toughness 8 and a 3+ save, so they won’t be slowing down until they’ve lost half of their 12 Wounds.

Well, that tells us most of the LR's stats. Looks like they will be pretty vulnerable to heavy bolters, if the S 5 AP -1 speculation is accurate.

Seems increasingly like there is no simple formula for converting vehicle stats between editions though. Dread had 3 HP, gets 8 W, LR had 3 HP, gets 12 W, Naut had 5 HP, gets 18 W, Knight had 6 HP, gets 'dozens of wounds'. This might mean that the speculation on weapon stats is completely off too...

>>53146371
Looks like t8 sv3+ is the default vehicle profile now.

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>mfw guardsmen get 4 shots at close range
>50 conscripts now have 200 shots
And here I thought this was "#makeTerminatorsgreatagain"-Edition

>>53146329
I would assume Titans get an invul. save on behalf of their void shields.

>>53146339
>Anyway, nice article that actually gave us something unlike chaoscucks who got empty promises in their focus article.

i am fully convinced GW does this just to fuck with CSM players, everything Chaos is handled with piss poor quality

i have no idea why as it surely must damage sales but it cannot be unintentional at this point

>>53146401
It factors in the av value too. Lemon had better overal armo value so it has now more wounds.

>>53146414

its a void shield not sun cream. titan is dead in the water.


what a time to start collecting imperial guard

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>>53146322
>Even Ratlings – with their sniper weapons allowing them to pick out and target Characters
Snipers being relevant confirmed !

>>53146401
Maybe instead of a linear relationship, there's a slight exponential to it, so more and more HP means increasing conversion rate? And then clearly some individual variation based on how they choose to balance things. Really want to see some point values to know how these things compare cost-wise.

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>>53146241
>>53146398
Squats.

>>53146401

I wonder how many Wounds things like the Warlord Titan and Manta will have.

I recall them both having at 30 or over 30 Hull Points.

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>>53146292
>10+ wound monsters are supposedly so big they stand out and are easy to tell from the rest of the crowd.

>Number of wounds is a measure of size.
>High-ranking officers always have more wounds.
>Everyone uses the ork system of authority.

>>53146430
>tfw been playing CSM since 2nd edition.

>guardsmen think t8 leman russ is good while the equivalent of av14 would have been t10
really gets your orders relayed

>>53146401
>Knight had 6 HP, gets 'dozens of wounds'.

For their Large Model article they mentioned Knights have 20+ Wounds

With the change to snipers being able to pick out characters, it's starting to look more like an RTS game, with unit types strong against some, weak against others.

Makes me think if it would be possible to create a tabletop wargame with actual base-building.

>>53146430
Such is the life when you are slave to the darkness. Daemons gets treated well, mortal pawn are used like toys they are.

>>53145911
Were death stars even that bad? Surely the absurd amount of gunlines and not vehicle spam was what ruined 7th

>>53146490
>t.2++ rerollable invisible 24'' per turn moving fair and casual list player

>>53146437
>its a void shield not sun cream
right, its a bubble with a surface of not-real

>>53146485
I mean, you technically could, but I think it would only really work in an Apocalypse style game where you have enough turns, enough space, and enough numbers for it to matter.

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Fulgrim and EC release when