/awg/ Alternative Wargames General

>>53143049
Those Perry figures work really nicely.

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>>53143397
Yeah it looks amazing.
There's a thread on Lead Adventure where they guy making these posts pretty detailed descriptions of how he made them too.

Most of these are perry, frostgrave soldiers and a few pieces from other historical kits and some GW bits.

Captain Blood is the name of the guy who does these.
Also has a pretty awesome HYW blog on Lead Adventure with lots of conversions and kitbashes too..

>>53143526
His War of the Roses thread is nothing short of brilliant.

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>>53143546
It's miniature porn.

I don't know what it is, but there is something so incredibly satisfying about watching a well painted and lovingly crafted collection of miniatures.

Still not enough talk of This is Not a Test.

Disgusting.

Who cares about knights and armor when you can play a group of sweaty, dehydrated outcast mutants fighting desperately against idealistic preservers in a blasted, ash soaked, post apocalyptic America. Now that's some good shit right there.

>>53144348
The Brotherhood of Steel has thought me that you can still be a Knight in shining armor while fighting a group of sweaty, dehydrated outcast mutants.

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>>53143526
Bretonnian game of thrones is best

>>53144348
Now I want to make a TNT warband of dudes who looted a museum or something and go around wearing full plate armour.

>>53144461
There are even a few guys wearing roman armor in the rulebook.

>>53143049
Could anybody shareFrostgrave rules pdf?

>>53144481

There is also mention in the rule book of a raider gang that are a bunch colonial era re-en actors that go around killing dudes with muskets.

How is possible for just pieces of plastic cost so much?

>>53145108
Sculpting, making normal sized figures from 3-ups, tooling, packaging...there are a lot of things here.

>>53145108
Perrys and other historicals are very good priced, and you can get some cheaper stuff in resin like mom

>>53145108

Because it's a niche market with high upfront costs, especially for plastic injection moulding.

And Historicals are cheap as because there's a lot of competitors. When I bought some single Frostgrave sprues for £5 each I also picked up 5 Normans for £2.10 or so, just because I was curious.

Bump - slow day, eh?

Has anyone tried/have thoughts on the Scum series by Nordic Weasel? I've had a lot of fun with their 5core stuff.

>>53149016
I like that they have fully featured solo modes because I have no friends.

>>53149040
I understand. I tricked my wife into liking games by losing a bunch. Or at least that's how I excuse losing so much

Are the rules similar to the 5core stuff? From the sounds of it they're using a more open-ended situational tags/keywords kind of thing.

>>53143049
So many games I want to get into, but no one to play them with. This must be some secret hell that I've landed myself in.

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Does anyone here play Wargods? Is it any good?

>>53144391
Probably my favorite line of GW minis ever. Striking without overdoing it. Doesn't hurt that they can be used for historical games and virtually any fantasy system you'd care to name.

>>53151084
Historical is pushing it a little bit but I see what you mean.

>>53145108
You are in the wrong thread for that, friendo. Most /awg/s are very cheap and if you pay more, you choose to do so for boutique miniatures.

>>53151084
>can be used for historical games
the helmets don't fit the rest of the armor.
The very early bretonnians, which are now sold by foundry, are a lot more accurate from a historical pov.
The knights wear chainmail with their helmets instead of plate.

The thing about bretonnians though is that for whatever reason these kind of 13th century helmet crests are nearly impossible to find.
The only variety of that you usually find are teutonic knights, which somewhat limits your options.

Reaper has some very nice footknights they call herladic knights that could work as bretonnians though.

>>53143049

Can anyone give me a rundown on warlords games? Local club plays a slew of them but their models look a little shit.

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Does anyone have good recommendations for Necromunda models? I am particularly looking for some gangers and Arbites. I am not sure whether decent ones I can bu right now exist, or whether I should just convert them from 40K minis that aren't OOP.

>>53153427
I have a bunch of their hail ceasar range and some antares miniatures and since my FLGS stock them I've also seen the WW2 metals in blisters.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the models.
Warlord has bought the rights to some kits that were previously made by other companies though.
The wargames factory stuff is a bit iffy sometimes.

Anyway for the historicals such as Black Powder, Bolt Action, Pike and Shotte and Hail Ceasar you are probably better off asking in /hwg/.

Antares, Dr.Who, Terminator Genesys and the like do belong here though.

So what does you club play?

>>53153604
Heresy Miniatures have some good not!Orlocks

>>53153669
I meant Delaque, getting my houses mixed up.

>>53153669
Thanks for the recommendation. Those figures are surprisingly affordable.

>>53153604
Heresy does a Delaque gang and the Jailbird faction by Raging Heroes is basically just Esher/Tank Girl by a different name.
These are the obvious analogues for GW models.
For goliaths you could look into mad max style miniatures. 4a miniatures has some really cool ones.
In the same vain I would look into post apoc survivors or scavengers for scavvies. Copplestone, Lead Adventure and Pig Iron have useful minis for those.

If you are just looking for something more generic Northstar, Foundry and Copplestone are pretty good places to start looking.

Redemptionists could be done with Frostgrave cultists + their sci-fi conversion parts.

Urban War has a pretty cool range that could be neat if you want to do a custom theme for you gang.

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>>53153685
I think most figures would be affordable at 'Munda scale, considering you only need like half a dozen guys.

Also Urban War Junkers might do you for Arbites, these days they're sold by Scotia Grendel.

>>53153736
>>53153742
These are really good as well. I got some of the Frostgrave cultists a while back, and with the pointy hoods and some relish they would make perfect sense as redemptionists.

I didn't think of using the urban war guys as arbites, but looking agian they just make sense. Thanks for the rec.

>>53153641

Pretty much anything from the Warlord line + games workshop.

I'm of the opinion that the faces on a lot of the warlord stuff look a little, bloated, swollen etc.

>>53153913
>I'm of the opinion that the faces on a lot of the warlord stuff look a little, bloated, swollen etc.
Can't really say that for the minis I have.
They are quite a bit smaller than the average GW face so they have a bit less detail, but I don't think I have any that look swollen.
I mean a paintjob can hugely affect how faces look.

Just think about what people say about sororitas. The sculpts are absolutely fine, most players just suck at painting females.

>>53150860

I don't "play" it, but I have played it. Aegyptus only, though.

The rules are very good, as are the models. I have some complaints, but they're mostly minor.

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I remember people being super hyped for this, but not that it's out I never heard of it again.

Anybody got opinions to share?

>GoT

lel

>>53143049
Are there any good producers of British folklore minis?

>>53155153
>British folklore
Since I'm not a brit I'm kind of drawing a blank here.
What do you mean?
The only thing I can really think of is the Green Man, but after consulting wikipedia it seems it's not even an exclusively british thing.

You can probably get good minis for charcters from the arthurian legends, and I know that Warlord has robin hood and his merry men. Northstar also has some robin hood themed stuff.

Aside from that I have no clue what you could be looking for though.

>>53155003
seconding this, sounds like post-apocalyptic mordheim from the back-of-the-book blurb.
5 minutes of searching yields no reviews or pdfs

>>53143526
>>53143575
Man these are amazing. I'm working on a diorama of a local War of the roses battle and these are really inspiring.

>>53155308
You rather hit the nail on the head without understanding why.

I want to spread traditional British folklore more locally and that means I need to be able to find suitable minis based around British folklore. King Arthur, Robin hood and Greenman are basically the only things any one knows so I was hoping someone had done more than those and I wouldn't need to swipe parts from different ranges to make anything.

>>53155520
Okay. I guess that makes sense.

I still don't know what you are looking for though. I may be able to help with the miniatures even though I don't know the folklore.

>>53143049
Whats a good system for GoT skirmish? dux brit?

>>53153959

Its often the cheekbones - some models look as if they've been stung by bee's, you'd have to file them down. Some just don't look very sharp, very soft edges etc.

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It shouldn't be too much trouble to use some Perry Mahdists as Lotr Mahud right?
After their brutal nerf actually tracking the real thing down just doesn't seem worth it.

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>>53156373
Its a shame that a lot of the lotr lines are out of production, some of them look really quite good.

Particular fan of the men of harad.

>>53156456
>watchers of Karna lost their melee skills and anti-ghost powers just to become an archer upgrade
I'm surprised the merchant guard is still okay.

>>53150860
I find it's a pretty solid game, only a few small niggles. The models are nice, but the big problem is I think they could really benefit from plastic or resin models which would allow them to provide the weapon options for the units. There are plenty you can outfit guys with, but their metal models are limited in options.

I would love a skirmish game in the Wargids setting.

What is awgs opinion of halo:ground battles?
On a different note, anyone know where I can get 28mm scale Halo heads, specifically ODST or Spartan style helmets?

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>>53144348
just fyi there's someone on ebay (uk) selling hardcopies for £30 + £1 postage, which is a good damn deal.

You can also play knights in armour in it, I think? IDK, I'm going for tribals and uh the merchant faction, whatever they are. At 1/35 these water bottles (Meng Model) may technically be out of scale, but fuck that, clean water (or other clear liquid) is a wasteland trader staple.

>>53144551
Heh. There's also a note that just before the fall, a company (called Las) tapped into a massive worldwide trend for regular firearms that looked like science fiction laser guns, and that's why you can use a lasgun model and treat it as a perfectly normal rifle if you're so inclined. it's cosplay!

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>>53156373
>>53156456
>>53156478


I would love to see the dunlending warrior lines come back in full. and muhad.... and everything else for one of the best games GW made.

Sadly here in america finding someone to play is like finding a needle in a haystack thats sitting in a barn with 100 other haystacks you have to look through as well.

>>53156373
Add some Zulu shields and you're set.

>>53158488
Meh, the Frostgrave Barbarians are pretty much perfect for Dunlendings, so I wouldn't bother.

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So the Spirit of Fire is finally coming to fleet battles

>>53156240
Lion Rampant maybe?

>>53149016
What have you liked about 5core?

>>53143049
The image is the one made by the guy that posts on leadadventure, right?

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>>53159915

>>53158488
With the prevalence of good plastic kits from third parties and historicals, I'd say it's a good time to get into LotR stuff right now.

> Gripping Beast Saxons for Rohan, Vikings for Dunland, Arabs for Haradrim, Romans for Gondor/Arnor
> Victrix Romans/Carthaginians for Numenor
> Frostgrave Barbarians for Dunland and the upcoming pirates for Umbar
> Fireforge mongols for Khand, maybe their Russians for Dale

>>53160855
I've also toyed with the idea of sculpting facemasks onto Samurai minis so they could double as Easterlings or Seanchan from WoT.

>>53160276
What's lead adventure like? I keep meaning to lurk there but it's so segmented I never know where to start

>>53160980

Nice little place, I mostly hang about in the Fantasy Adventures section looking at the miniatures people are painting for genteel skirmish games.

>>53161330
How lefty is it? I often find nest forums and then find half the topics are bitching about how chainmail bikinis are sexist etc. Does my head in

>>53158274
>On a different note, anyone know where I can get 28mm scale Halo heads, specifically ODST or Spartan style helmets?
I never played a single halo game and i have no clue what the abbreviations stand for, but pig iron have heads that are quite often used in converting halo minis.

>>53144539
Shameless self bump.

>>53160075
From mostly playing 5 Parsecs I like the kill dice/shock dice representation of suppression fire and for demonstrating diversity of weapon roles. I like the campaign/skills format being more towards 'sort it out with your opponent' instead of tournaments. Mixed on the action roll at the beginning of the turn, makes it kind of swingy in game, but I understand its suppose to represent your skirmish being subject to a larger battle with unforeseen consequences in the ww2 stuff but it didn't mesh as well for dirty frontier space battles imo. Just makes it really janky sometimes. I thought the displacement rule was a clever way of showing how disorienting and startling it can be running around battlefields and shit coming out of nowhere. Guard fire and the 2 model-turn has so far kept it from turning into just sitting and waiting for someone to move, but I haven't tried to abuse it. Making aliens is fun.

Basically I like how easy it is to set up, I'm interested what their new/different approaches to squad building/campaign stuff works and am curious if it s significantly different mechanically.

>>53161355
the only place i ever saw people seriously argue about chainmail bikinis is /tg/...

generally speaking it is my impression that Lead Adventure mostly attracts older semesters or people that come from the historical or pulp gaming side.

And since there are tons of games and miniatures from different companies I find it fosters an inherently more amicable atmosphere.

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>>53161355

>How lefty is it?

Oh awfully so mate, don't bother.

Grow up you little tart.

>>53155520
>King Arthur
ree post-romans fuck off britain for the real britons

don't get me started on the fucking saxons

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>>53160855
>Dunland as Vikings not Welsh (GB Dark Age Warriors)
>Gondor as Romans and not Byzantines/Late Romans (GB Late Romans)
>Umbar as barbarians and not Arabs/Moors (GB Arab range)
>Khand as Mongols and not Indians (GB Timurid range(no plastic))
>>53160882
>Easterlings as Samurai and not Russians (GB Rus rage (no plastic))

>>53160980
It's a good site, the various subforums are mostly period-specific (or fantasy), still not a huge fan of the way they have game subsubforums.

The main problem is that there are way too many fucking amazing people there. It's not that they call you a cunt and ask if you painted your miniatures by sticking them up your arse if they're not very good, it's not like they're Frothers or anything, IIRC they're actually pretty friendly and enthusiastic about people who aren't good at art, they just scare them off from posting their minis because it feels like you're comparing them to ridiculously good stuff the regulars post.

basically go post, you'll be fine. or don't post, and just lurk. you will also be fine, and inspired.

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>>53160855
apparently miniatures wargames has a two part article the next two months about doing fantasy with historicals. might be worth a look when it's out, preview spread attached.

>>53163746
GB are generic as fuck, I picked vikings because they more closely match the old GW Dunlendings which there seems to be some nostalgia for.

GB's late romans was implicit because they don't have any other kind in plastic

I said those upcoming frostgrave pirates for Umbar, not the barbs.

There's so little canon information about Khand really you can do whatever you want with them.

>>53164045
>GB are generic as fuck

GB's Dark Age warriors*

>>53164066
The dark age warriors can serve as wild men of Dunland or even ruffians.

>>53162420
get your hormones tested

>>53160980
It's a neat place but it's a bit slow, some amazing models however.

>>53163813
>>53161330
>>53160980
Are you guys talking about lead-adventure dot com?
You got me interested about the site but all i found is some store and 500 internal errors.

>>53164848
>http://www.lead-adventure.de

Here you go.

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One thing I do notice on Lead Adventure is there's plenty of project logs around using Historical minis and SAGA for A Song of Ice and Fire games, yet I've never seen much discussion of that elsewhere on the net.

>>53164559

I'm just saying, I don't think I've ever considered the general political leanings of a toy soldiers forum before deciding if it's for me or not. Hopefully when you mature a bit you'll realise you just sound daft.

>>53162235
Isn't it in the OP?

>>53163853
Does it have pdf version?

>>53158360

Yeah I was going to pick some of those up for objective tokens and maybe load a few of them on some pic related with some weapons and some other gubbins for that caravan scenario.

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>>53165273

4chan decided to not upload my pic for some reason.

>>53164872
Thanks mate.

>>53164972
>you

I wasn't the guy who asked about whether lead adventure was pozzed or not.

I was just amused that you massively blew up with a butthurt comment when someone expressed an illiberal view on 4chan, probably the center of extreme right "culture" in the world right now.

>I'm just saying, I don't think I've ever considered the general political leanings of a toy soldiers forum before deciding if it's for me or not.

Yes, this is evident by the fact that you are pissed off that someone on 4chan isn't liberal. Perhaps you should have.

>>53164972
I'd like to start a Riverlander army that took part in the Dance of the Dragons for the blacks.

>>53165183
>Isn't it in the OP?

Jesus yes it is. When I first checked I downloaded twice thawn of the lich king campaign book. But there is also core rulebook set. Thanks!

>>53165519

Christ mate, I was only having a giggle now you're being a dullard.

>Yes, this is evident by the fact that you are pissed off that someone on 4chan isn't liberal.

Not at all, more curious as to why you'd even care. I voted for Brexit last year, don't give a flying fuck if the guy I'm reading the project log of voted the same way as me or had a different opinion.

>>53165632
I doubt that guy cares what they think either, he just doesn't want to read nauseating shit tier content about PC in the context of an extremely niche hobby. Which to be fair does creep in a bit, see the dice bag lady syndrome.

>Not at all, more curious as to why you'd even care.

Again, it wasn't me. But if you dont care that he has a different opinion then dont make an effort of jumping out of your pram to neg him.

> I was only having a giggle

As was I when I said the hormones thing...

> I voted for Brexit last year

o/ o/ o/

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>>53165632
>I voted for Brexit last year

>>53165945
>imageflip
Triggered.

Only faggots, nu-males, cuckolds and trumpsters talk about politics on miniature forums. Actual adults simply post images of their painted hoplites or space marines.

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>>53156240
Advanced Song of Blades and Heroes! Can´t praise it enought.

- works with every fantasy setting
- easy to learn
- every character is custom (all miniatures are welcome)
- very dynamic fights
- terrain is super important and brings tactical depth

Didn´t even touch any other skirmish systems since my first encounter with this game. I collected Citadel fantasy miniatures but hated all their systems, so this was a welcome discovery. I really do not know why this game is so rarely discussed.

Also: This is one of my warbands.

>>53167070
Does it have more than two stats?

>>53167150
Nope, but 2 stats are more than enough.

>>53167070
I tried it once it was good, but as I see it now it's easy to make op character there.
In my game we basically ended with bunch of meat bags on on side and heroes on the other.
Actually just one ranged champion with great stats and 2-3 skills could take a model per turn.

Of course this flaw can be neglected by having 2 players with sane approach while making your warband.

>>53158488
give it time. the ranges are coming back into stock. especially once the hobbit line is done with.

>>53168412
They still have the limited edition UJ starter. I can only hazard a guess it didn't sell well.
Then again that's more due to the Hobbit movies being a slap in the face to fans and only attracting the kind of idiot who thinks shadow of mordor is a good game, ships Kili with Tauriel or Fili, and doesn't have the patience or care to put the models together or much less paint them. Which is why iron hills dwarves are forge world only.

>>53167070
>I really do not know why this game is so rarely discussed.
Squad building is fun, tinkering with tons of special rules isn't

>>53153742

You could use judge dredd figs for arbiters since that's what they were based on/homage to

Actually the whole dredd range might be useful but iirc it's oop

>>53164972
>I'm just saying, I don't think I've ever considered the general political leanings of a toy soldiers forum before deciding if it's for me or not.

Some of us don't like being bludgeoned about the head and shoulders with uninformed political opinions in a non-political forum, especially when we aren't allowed to disagree

In some venues, it's not even possible to just ignore and move on because peer-pressuring the herd into compliance and ostracizing non-believers is so deeply integrated into its culture

>>53162420
want a fuckin fite? Ya poof

>>53169423
>Some of us don't like being bludgeoned about the head and shoulders with uninformed political opinions in a non-political forum

Then shut up about it.

>>53169492
Isn't miniature hobbying haram for your kind Achmed?

Can we just go back to /awg/?

>>53169640
No.

>>53169066
they don't actually, it sold through. but iron hills being forge world doesn't make a difference to the old lines coming back. we've already had mounted gandalf, the shade and scouring of the shire sets come back in their original material. i.e. metal. and we've had new plastic releases in the form of the laketown houses.

>>53169616
That's a Bruce, not an Achmed

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>>53169975
Looks available to me.
But that doesn't matter, I just want them to reprint their old stuff and add the units from LoMe they never actually released profiles for (such as the beornings).
Making warbands be able to have more than 12 guys would also be nice.

>>53169577
Hence why I would like to avoid it. Now hipsters are using tabletop as an excuse for drinking and they invade our cozy forums and force politics into it

>>53143049
>Can we just go back to /awg/?
Sure. Let's discuss what game has the coolest monster minis at an affordable price. I.e. Not kingdom death

>>53170243
UK it sold through. you know, the important countries.

>>53170780
>UK
>important
Joking aside, the game never had trouble in Europe for some odd reason.

>>53170922
We're still arguably the world capital of wargaming, at least.

>>53170922
most likely because it's an alternative history of england and europe?

>>53170922
European males are 90% of the wargaming market. Almost every teenage boy here did warhammer for a few years. It's easy to see why it took off.

>>53171065
That was my first thought, but it's not like American history (real or fantastical) interests Americans.

>>53171110
Really? I'd always had the impression that WW2 was immensely popular in America

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>>53171359
Only in visual media.
Maybe it's a cultural thing.

>>53171359
An alt-version of WW2, where GI Joes and superheroes won every battle

>>53171110
to be fair, america has fuck all history compared to the rest of the world. you've got your civil war and that's one of the biggest things you've had. europe calls a civil war "tuesday".

>>53167070
people on /tg/ rather talk about games than play games

hence why 40k general moves so fast and why I made AWG

The ganesh games were my pillar, along with small scale fantasy (my go to for this is now kings of war for use with my 6mm minis)

SoBAH is quite popular, as you can see we have all their PDFs and sometimes we even talk about blogs and battle reports about SoBAH

but there's no drama, it's a finished system, you either like the game and play with friends or you don't

there's really nothing new to discuss, we discussed it and moved on

your warband looks sick by the way, love citadel sculpts

>>53171614
If the wars have to specifically be on the continent there's also the Mexican-American war, or the Spanish-American war, or you could even look at CIA interventions in South America if you want to. You are right though, European history dwarfs pretty much any other bar maybe Indian or Chinese.

>>53171614
>American Canadian war
>revolutionary war
>civil war
>expansion into the west
>war with Mexico
>brief stint into ww1
>war with the Spanish on Cuba
>ww2
>cold war (contains vietnam and korean wars)
It's not like there's nothing work with.

>>53171110
america loves civil war and world war 2

hell america also loves vietnam

america loves american history

>>53171699
Correction, they love action in those periods, not the actual history itself.

>>53171614
>regularly drops the most destructive bombs
>has a very recent blood history with lots of struggling, suffering and most importantly, written documentation about the founding and birth of a nation
>world war two
>the west
>gold rushes
>countless border wars
>civil war
>vietnam
>countless international counter terror task forces

yeah, no, america has fuck all compared to europe which has old rocks that people used to live in six hundred years ago

>>53171728
>old rocks that people used to live in six hundred years ago
I don't have a clue what you mean by this

>>53171728
What's worse, America putting all the Japanese into concentration camps or the Mexicans mass deporting Chinese and their families (who were Mexican)?

>>53171760
castles
>>53171773
deporting

>>53171698
>Wearing a cowboy hat makes something bland interesting

>>53171898
>skirmishes with natives and ruffians is boring
If LoToW pulled it off, surely someone else can.

>>53171698
>American Canadian war
>revolutionary war
>expansion into the west
>war with Mexico
>brief stint into ww1
>war with the Spanish on Cuba
Nice "wars"

>>53172069
I'm not taking lip from someone who hails from land where people killed one another over a bucket.

>>53172069
Four wars, a theatre of a larger war, and a great skirmish game setting

I don't see the problem here

arguing about which country has had the best wars seems kind of absurd to me, but let's just stick to the topic of the thread.
If you want to continue this discussion /hwg/ is a better place for it anyway.

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>>53172171
Not at all, it's like emos saying they have the shittiest life for cred among their kin.
Are emos even still a thing?
On another topic, Empire of the dead is pretty much Lotr but with d10s.

>>53172171
American detected.

Americans are so bland they have to add aliens to the wild west. Then they paint the Nazis are super scientists making zombies and shit. When they didn't even fight them...

What would it take to make Americans interesting? McDonalds Vs burger king wars of 1990s here we come..

>>53172279
I'm German.

if america is so bland why is hollywood a thing?

>>53172303
Okay Hans-Jurgen.

>>53167070
How are all Minis welcome? How do the rules work with that?

>>53172370
Likely by having you create your own unit's profile.

>>53172314
Jews. It's entirely funded and run by Jews so your greatest asset is run by your greatest ally ;)

How do frostgravers line up with the perry boys? Are they about the same scale?

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>>53173253
they are not the same scale, but as demonstrated by the pictures here
>>53143049
>>53143526
>>53143575
you can definitely kitbash them.
Here is a size comparison with a perry sudanese to the left and some frostgrave soldiers.
Check the filename for the manufactuers of the other minis.

>>53173591
Thanks buddy I appreciate it.

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My friend and I played some Frostgrave today, two encounters from a branching campaign I've worked up. Good fun, including a sneaking mission.

>piss tier pictures

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Went in to my local game store and did an Epic Minigeddon battle today. All painted minis. Took a lot of flipping through the rules to remember everything but it was great fun. Spess Marine vs. Tyranid. Every table was eventually filled yet there were more people playing Epic than Warhammer 40k (2 versus none). Seriously though it was pretty cool and I can't wait to actually try a 3k battle with more than 1 objective. Starting small let us both get through a game in a reasonable amount of time despite not being experts at the rules and more importantly, not fielding bare metal.

>>53165183
Yeah, they sell PDF copies at reasonable prices if you can't get it locally.

>>53175442
Reading about the format, that sounds pretty nice. Now if only Epic casters weren't so secluded. I will have to look at the Adeptus Titanicus stuff when it comes out as well.

>>53172100
https://www.local10.com/news/weird-news/deputies-couple-arrested-in-burrito-assault-fork-stabbing

Yes, people attacking each other over a burrito is a much better place.

>>53177513
You should see the mass shootings.

>>53172261
Lotr? It's Mordheim from top to bottom. And like Mordheim, its creators have killed it.

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Alrighty, /tg/, I made a thread about this a week or so ago, but since it died without any replies,I think it would be more appropriate to ask about here.
I've been on the lookout for a good Mobile Suit Gundam wargame. The best one I've found so far is Mobile Suit Gundam Skirmish, made by a guy called Donkus. Seems alright at a glance, but I was wondering if anyone else had any experience with it or similar games that use 1/144 scale figures as wargame units. I'm going to try my hand at generating stats for later-war Zeon units since their roster is pretty sparse compared to whats been made for the Federation (damn Feddie bias).

>>53177783
Have you tried adapting Mobile Frame Zero?

>>53177764
>combat is done the same way
>spendable points to influence dice rolls
That's where I draw the similarities. Roll attacks higher number wins Fight decides ties winner makes strikes is really only in EotD, lotr, LotOW, and LotHS.

>>53171098
Unironically this, even the normiest dude in Spain (weed lmao normies too) got some warhams or Magic. But then in Spain there isn't a divide between chad,geeks normies or jocks (I tought it was an exageration from USA films truth be told).

>>53174566
Cool I'm about to start my fun with Frostgrave too.

How do you see it playing with just 2 people every game in campaing? (I mean 2 the same, separate warbands every game)
To me, it looks like the game doesn't lose much because 80% of a band are meat bags anyway.

>>53177823
That's the lego robot game, right? I don't know much about it.

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>>53178185
It plays fine. I typically play against two opponents (friend and wife), and I use different bands against each unless we're playing a three-player game.

Your soldiers do make a difference but the power gap between wizards can get pretty big and snowball a game. But as long as you aren't the type to shit their pants over perfect balance, it's fine.

>>53177913
I'll agree to disagree, since the whole to-hit/to-wound system is more or less lifted from mordheim and WHFB.

At any rate, it's nice to see that other people are playing the game.
What gangs do you run? I've been playing a campaign with a Darkfire Club and Nosferatu.

>>53178592
Yeah.
It's pay what you want, so it's worth checking out at any rate.

http://mobileframezero.com/mfz/

>>53179045
Yeah I'm looking for a system that allows me to play several matchups using the same warbands with a grillfriend.
At first I thought about Open Combat, and in fact I'm still going that way, but as I'm using frostgrave soldiers and barbarians I can also buy 2 more wizards and go with frostgrave.

I think even if we use the same warbands every time, it won't be perteptible as much playing once a week.

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>>53179216
>grillfriend

/tg/ is getting really watered down.

On an unrelated note, you felt right that anyone who's not a wizard is just a punching bag. I'd say try Frostgrave, play a couple of games, and then you'll see. I'd recommend taking a look at Otherworld too, although it lacks a campaign system, it seems great fun and a huge potential to modify what you want. Once I get around doing it, I want to add campaign rules, more magic, modular minions and some more heroes.

>>53179216
Otherworld Fantasy Skirmish could also work.

>>53179216
Have you looked Song of blades and heroes? It isn't wizard heavy like Frostgrave buy you can mix and match your warband at your taste. Of of gods and mortals if you want truly big magic people/dominions like game.

>>53179245
>/tg/ is getting really watered down.
I'd love to hang out with sweaty neckbeards like you guys. Unfortunately where I live the wargaming hobby is non-existent*, fortunately, my gf likes fantasy, throwing dice and competition.

*In the range of 50km there's one wargaming store. The guy owning it knows 6 guys playing 40k and 1 guy playing Infinity. Never heard of frostgrave for example. So yeah, burn my heretic, casual soul, by my grill is my salvation here.

>>53179402
>SOBAH
That was the first thing we played, with unpainted zombiecide minis and terrain made with girly boxes.
I liked the gameplay in overall but lots of special traits is hard to keep track off. And its easy to make unbalanced characters.
Also I'm looking for a campaign to play several times with the same dudes. I wan't to see my guys develop and die during the process.

>>53179248
>>53179245
>Otherworld
Never looked into. Added to the list. Will check it when I'm bored with Open Combat and FG. Thanks.

>>53179514
THere are expansion about that, the Dungeon crawlin' one it's called Song of Gold and darkness or something, the one with expanded campaings song of deeds and glory, and there is another for terrain I thing called song of wind and water. Also I tend to play with pretty basic guys, I dunno why would you use lots of rules unless you are making uber noldor elfs/vampires.

>>53177995
>But then in Spain there isn't a divide between chad,geeks normies or jocks (I tought it was an exageration from USA films truth be told).
Well, the Hollywood Highschool with its well-defined cliques absolutely IS an exaggeration, even in the USA. Of course, you're always going to have some of it, because teenagers from any country are usually just trying their hardest to fit in, and group identity is one of the main ways to do that. But I was a total geek in highschool, and I had friends from across the social spectrum. So I don't really think the stigma is the issue.

It's just, for whatever reason, tabletop isn't big in the USA. It exists, but it never took off in a major way. I never even heard of warhammer until college. I work for an engineering company, and probably 2 other guys (out of 60 or so engineers) have ever painted a miniature. Magic has a bit more traction. There's certainly a nerd culture (arguably a dominant one), but it tends to focus all its attention on other things like videogames.

>>53179123
Just doing the little starter scenario with Holmes, Watson, and Mr Ripper here and there over the years.
Was always interested in gentleman's club.

>>53179735
Ah, yeah, that'll do it. I've never found the taster to be close at all to normal gang-gameplay.

It's a cool scenario though.
Gentleman's clubs are pretty great - well, normal ones and Sons of the Empire. Especially when carrying a lot of rifles.

>>53172171
>arguing about which country has had the best wars seems kind of absurd to me
Yeah, couldn't agree more. These national / continental pride arguments always kinda baffle me. It's like people completely forget that we're just 8 billion microbes clinging desperately to an insignificant chunk of rock, hurtling at high velocity through a universe that doesn't give a fuck about us. I mean, that's ridiculous (you can't just FORGET a thing like that), but that's how it feels.

>>53172261
>Are emos even still a thing?
I'm sure they exist somewhere. Cultural trends (at least in the US) tend to be introduced at the coasts and then propagate as a wave across the continent. There were emos in NYC about 10-15 years ago, so I'd expect the wave to be somewhere around Indiana by now.

>>53172279
>McDonalds Vs burger king wars of 1990s
They already did that in Demolition Man. Taco Bell wins.

>>53172608
Oh hey, ConspiracyAnon! How's it going, bud? I guess you're off your meds again? That's cool, we all agreed you're a lot more fun that way.

>>53179514
>I'd love to hang out with sweaty neckbeards like you guys. Unfortunately where I live the wargaming hobby is non-existent*, fortunately, my gf likes fantasy, throwing dice and competition.
That's brutal, Anon. Hang on to that grill, she sounds like a keeper.

>thread starts great with really nice pics
>/bintpol/ ruins it
There are 4 containment boards for you faggots, why don't you stay there?

>>53174566
>road way arches
>none of them line up

>>53179916
Shoddy engineering those ancients had, that's to be sure

Why do you think all their buildings are all crumbling and decrepit?

>>53175442
>more people playing Epic than Warhammer 40K
That's awesome to hear. Epic was always the better GW game, anyhow. And it's only got better since the community took it over.

>>53176642
>if only Epic casters weren't so secluded.
You mean geographically? There's actually a pretty decent number of casters making epic proxies now (although shipping can definitely be a bitch depending on where you're located). Off the top of my head you've got Brigade, Microworld, Onslaught, Vanguard, Trolls Under The Bridge, the new Age of Tyrants stuff... I'm sure there are more I'm not remembering.

Plus you can go on your local ebay / bartertown / whatever and typically find plenty of old used official Epic stuff. Nowadays, you can even just 3d print pieces you want for relatively low cost.

>>53179985
If your group is amenable, you can even just play with epic rules in other scales... anything down to 2mm and up to 15mm can probably be made to work. We've played Epic here using our 10mm dropzone miniatures, and it worked fine.

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>>53179850
>There are 4 containment boards for you faggots, why don't you stay there?
Sorry, you're absolutely right. I'm done.

Here's a pic of a mini I love to get us back on track.

>>53179613
Didn't know about the expansions. But I got enough material to read so far, 3 different rule systems, none played enough to have a favourite one.

About the sobah rules (and I was talking about the skills system), you've got some for walking, for the armour, for the character size, for the weapons they use, some additional ones like 'bravery<?>' when you try to do extraordinary guy.
Last game we played I made a sharpshooter, with 2-3 perks for using bow. In the end he was able to take out anybody, from a distance. Too good quality, too high atk value.
I'm not saying the rules are bad, they just need a little fiddling around untill 2 semi-balanced warbands are made.
But in terms of free cration they are pretty wide.

Of course you can just play with 10 regular guys having the same description. But then why play a system like that in the first place.

>>53179834
Thanks bruh. When everything fails I can always turn into historicals. My brother would be delighted, of course, if I did both armies.

Anyone got any idea when the english rules for last saga are supposed to land?

>>53171773
>Americans exterminating native populations
>Mexicans did that too

Oh wait, turns out both countries are assholes

>>53180879
Every country is an asshole looking out for itself.
The basic concept of my dudes > your dudes.

>>53179916
>the ruins aren't pristine

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>>53180090
Aside from Confrontation and Dark Sword Miniatures, what other anthro figures and/or games are there?

>>53179916
Wizard animated half of them as golems, put them back in the wrong place. Or there was a small localised earthquake or space-warping thing that moved one side of the road.

Wizardtown! (is fucked up, metaphorical shotguns everywhere)

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>>53179998
Amusingly, a lot of Official oldschool minis are already in 2/3mm scale. I mean, look at these thunderhawks and titans. Those are not 6mm scale.

In any event, I acquired my minis in a combination of buying some in the early 2000s from GW online (never played it though), some off ebays (titans), and some stuff from "Not-Epic" manufacturers like Onslaught. Illicit recasters are a little clique I'm not part of.

>>53183098
This is is the reason why caring about scale in Epic is completely pointless.

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>>53183098
>>53183605

Yeah, there were certain periods where GW dropped the ball on scale. Maybe deliberately, as if they were just treating units as tokens.

>>53172402
I cant see a situation where someone doesn't just make some over powered mother fucker that kills the fun for everyone

>>53179809
It's funny when retards thinking calling something a conspiracy invalidates a truthful statement. Fuck off back to /co/ and do us all a favour.


Perry minis arrived today. Casting is weird. It's really good details but the polearms are a bit lacking in edges. Maybe it's the scale of the weaponry but I'd like something a bit sharper all the same. Still nice that the men at arms box includes a handful of full plate models as well as the men at arms standard cloth armours. Will be useful for some variety in diorama models. I'd say give the perrys a hand for how well they turned out but I hear they have a 25% hand loss rate so maybe I'll keep it.

>>53183753
Aren't the larger ones greater demons? That plague bearers awesome. Shame they made chaos so generic now. Early chaos stuff was full of character

>>53185141
Thats why its not a tournament game. There are some rules stated by the creator as op and taken with caution (I think It was an assasin skill). You dont just go and play random people at lcg but establish some scenario before playing.

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>>53185292
Nah, these are the greater daemons. They just randomly made some metal lesser daemons in 10+mm for no reason in an earlier edition. I don't even know which, they are before my time.

As for character, perhaps. I've seen people posting their WIP though, and I think the new Nurgle stuff looks awesome. The old Greaters had more character though, sure.

>>53183098
6mm is not a scale. It's a size.

>>53185699
Not even that alone. GW used to post hardcore chaos conversions all the time. Now I see more conversions being putting a different arm or gun on something. Miss having the cool cluster fucks of early chaos

>>53185874
In terms of wargaming, that is entirely pedantic and pointless. 6mm refers to the size of a human, making the scale 1:300, which can be interchangeably used. The vehicles are not to size nor scale given a 6mm infantryman.

In another random amusing scale failure, Marine scouts are a full MM taller than armored Marines, too. The other anon who mentioned that the units are basically "tokens" is right. I like consistency, but it isn't a killer in a game never meant to have it.

>>53186024
>You know remember the possessed great demon conversions for the various races that were unlocked by the Demon Hunter book

>>53179514
mmmm forget her anon come sniff me moobs

seriously though iktf buddy all we have here are the old guys who like model railways or the GW spergs and they're the worst.

>>53186486
Got any pics?

>>53159915
>>53160604
I picked up Pikeman's Lament today, haven't played it but it seemed largely alright enough. What's wrong with Lion Rampant? As a point of serious interest, as I'm looking at getting that too soon.

>>53181625
there's pond wars by heureka and another one that is either world war one or two. I think the minis were done by khurasan.
Khurasan also has some other odds and ends like 15mm sci-fi tigers in power armor and armadillos and bears with guns.
Reaper also has a bunch of single miniatures, most can be found under their were tag or they are labelled as star signs.
Hasslefree has a few dogs in power armor and the most recent addition is a platypus.