Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>53135821
I want to play an Oracle of the Apocalypse with the Forgotten Curse, ideally in a Gestalt with the other being Warlord or Warder!

>>53135821
I really wish I could've gotten full Bab on him

On the bright side I have all good saves and no reliance on dexterity, so that's good

>>53135879
>TFW Stalker isn't a full BAB class

>>53135821
Thinking on how many levels of vigilante I can get before I lose most if not all the goodies of being an investigator.

>>53135917
It really should have been.

>>53135821
>back to the drawing board

Not a character, but a dungeon. I'm finally getting around to redesigning the first floor of a massive tower, a super-dungeon my players will encounter later in the campaign. The square floors span an area of 120x120 feet (or 24 squares to a side), so it's a sizable job. I needed to remake the first floor because I wasn't satisfied with the design I had (too many small rooms, which are bad for combat and less interesting than bigger, more grand chambers) and because it clashed with the new structure I've set up for the dungeon, which gives the first three pairs of floors an associated purpose (floors 1&2 for receiving/impressing guests and primary guard stations, 3&4 for religious services and the tower's own temples of worship, 5&6 for the vast library and workshop of an elven wizard and his apprentices).

I've been way overdo and working on this, so I'm forcing myself to make time for it. Otherwise, I won't have the whole structure done in time for the PCs to begin exploring it.

I don't do character ideas anymore because I forever DM.

>>53135931
I would play so many Brutal Slayers if it was a full BAB.

Where were you when we learned that DHB is literally cursed.

>>53135821
I...I love this picture, OP. Thank you!

A character I've been ruminating over has been my arrogant noble swordswoman. Right now she's simmering until the next applicable game appears though.

>>53135964

Why not Serpent's Skull?

>>53135955
Shanan has worse luck. Essa just can't pass a strength check, any strength check, to save her life. Orlan was considering just tossing her up the cliff she was trying to climb.

>>53135964
Happily in my apartment, running one campaign and playing in three while smiling at all the people I can talk with about all kinds of things without having the judging eyes of /pfg/ telling me that my 8 fighter/5 ranger/ 2 brawler with sub 15PB sword and board rage-mutation and punch machine is too spread out and lacks focus.

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>>53135821
Speed Motif Henshin Hero||Self Pact Avowed using Sonic Aether Channel. Flavored as either an unarmed Street Boxer or a rapier-using Ouji/Prince (female), maybe swapping to Nation Pact.

The thing I get hung up on is the actual thematics of the Henshin. In Kamen Rider, abilities, thematic, as well as character personality and occupation are often all removed from each other. Leaving occupation to be campaign specific, and having sorted out personality and abilities, I'm left with coming up with the actual thematic of the Henshin. "Speed" isn't exactly related with a lot, so I'm strapped for ideas besides pic related.

Any help with speed themed transformations, /pfg/?

>>53135821
I'm still making my psionic breakdancer. I just have to draw her now.

>>53135987
-1 Climb result!

>>53135983
The Rorygame? I've thought about it. I'll probably give it a look tonight and see about adapting.

>>53135939
Does your dungeon have bathrooms?

>>53135821
I was putting together a stalker that dual-wielded keen kukris, but I had to scrap it after mentioning the concept to my friends since they immediately gave the character the nickname "Critler". Now it doesn't matter how much I pour into the character or his backstory, at the table everybody's just going to parrot Critler and think they're funny.

>>53135931
>>53135940
None of the full initiators should be full BAB.
Warder likes having the d12 hit die, but it doesn't need the hit bonuses or iteratives.

>>53136058

Sure, but they're not called "bathrooms", they're called "the corner where the person you don't like sleeps".

>>53136100
Nigger, you're crazy.

>>53135821
I cannot find this image anywhere, OP. Where did you get it?

Where were you when we found out Wist and QANON are gay for each other, and two /pfg/ waifus were taken off the table at once?

>>53136155
I've known they're super best friends for a long ass time

>>53135821
>Where were you when we found out Wist and QANON are gay for each other, and two /pfg/ waifus were taken off the table at once?

Who? I thought they were both sockpuppets of Bailey

Why hasn't your character found a good woman/man to settle down with, shit out a herd of kids and retire from all of the childish adventuring they are doing right now?

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>>53135821
I'm tired of being a dexfag and want to be STRONK, but hate the gestalt/PoW Str-fag meta and don't actually like heavy armor that much.

>>53136217
His quest will not end until the whole world has heard his saga! He will be legend!

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>>53136144

>saucefag

>>53136217
Because I never got to play a game to the end.

>>53136217
They've found the woman, but before they settle down they need to conquer the world first

>>53136222
Invulnerable Rager barbarian w/ one dip into High Guardian fightman, then abuse AoOs to heck

>>53136217
Because I can't support a wife, or kids. I can barely keep my gear in shape and my mount fed.
And who would really endure a creature like me, really?

>>53136181
I want to be their super best friend!

>>53136222
Have you considered Self (Body)-pact Avowed, getting STR to hit and AC, and CON to saves and your Avowed features?

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>>53136263

But anon, people endure horrible creatures all the time! I'm sure you'll be fine!

>>53136277
I'm still waiting for the next avowed update, as well as the full BAB channel archetype

>>53136263
I'm sure you'll be able to support a whole bunch of kids real soon, mister. So long as you don't spend *all* your gear on that damn nodachi.

>>53136217
He has. It was a nice epilogue.

>>53136217
Everytime my character finds a significant other they end up dead long before their time.

My DM is of the opinion that death = drama at all time when it comes to NPCs. He failed to take into account that while my PC is broken almost every time, the player behind him is weary and barely cares at this point.

He stopped after I talked to him about it after the fourth time, now my character has a spouse that he's sickeningly happy with that won't die two months into the honeymoon phase.

I mean she's still totally going to die eventually, she married a fucking adventurer. A successful one. But at least I'll get more happy times in between.

>>53136294
Amieko pls.

>>53136294
Quinn pls.

>>53136217
Because the world still needs saving.

Anon, I always retire a character if they make a ton of money and there's no clear reason to continue adventuring, but you have to understand that it's kind of hard to say, "I'm done" when the world's on fire and you're one of the few who can put out the flames.

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>>53136263
>>53136324

Which of the men in Blingmaker would make the best husband? Which woman would make the best wife?

Which would have the most kids?

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>>53136217
>Human Brawler
Because he's got a reputation to uphold in the tournament circles. "Upstart youth with a heart of gold" leaves no room for that sort of thing.

>Dhampir Inquisitor
There are more enemies of Asmodeus left to destroy. Plus, all that 'relationship' stuff sounds like fun. Fun is the enemy.

>Halfling Sorcerer
He's got five siblings, one of them'll do it. If even one of his brothers proves as virile as dear old dad was, the rest will be aunts and uncles several times over. TOO many and they'll all squabble over the inheritance.

>Half-Elf Oracle|Warlord
Maybe someday, she just hasn't really thought of it.

>>53136217
She did actually. But after her husband died and her children grew up, she decided to travel. Why not? Nothing else to do.

>>53136267
QANON is really friendly, you should PM them.

Now another question about love and marriage of your characters: How many of your GMs are actually original and not complete expanded dongs that your character has managed to get married and stay married before/during their adventuring carrier? Why has it/has not worked? What about kids?

>>53136294
>Simul
Eh

>>53136358
God I hate it. When I say SIGNIFICANT TO CHARACTER to the DM, I basically mean "don't you fucking dare making them die".

I have a character whose old chief and boss was the one he eyed and she disappeared without a trace along all the people in his tribe something like three years before gametime. I'm basically setting him up for having him run after her again once the DM drops a glimpse of her existence to me, and I'm letting him carte blanche for whatever happened / happens.

Additionally, I think killing a popular NPC is a real dick move, so when I'm DM, I avoid. I only ever do it if it's an ultra-ultra-dramatic situation, like "dude, I gotta do this, I'm going to die for it but please, it's my time". End-game grade happenings. If the PC is romantically involved or much of his personal quest was to run after that one, I no touch.

>>53136240
>>>/a/

>>53136217
He will soon. That will be his IC exit from the campaign torn apart by OOC misconduct and abuse. He'll get the happy ending I lost!

>>53136414
>best husband
Andrik
>best wife
Viviana
>most kids
Kyras

>>53136495
What if I already have?!

>>53136144
I picked it up from a character art thread or drawthread here about a month ago, sadly I have no more information on its original source.

>>53136538
A pointless NPC death is only fine if you're trying to set tone for either what the campaign is going to be or where it's going to go.

Killing off important NPCs should be a turning moment in the ever expanding plot, not JUST a chance for "muh character growth". If you are going to kill them off, it better be for reasons, not just a reason.

The last stand of an NPC is kind of overdone imo but it's a classic for a reason. I generally prefer taking out NPCs by unseen machinations, but I also give the PCs the slimmest of chances and vague clues to possibly catch it before it happens. When the strings come together for them and they realize exactly what happened is always a rewarding moment.

>>53136217
Those in need must be served and enemies of the fist remain. But he took vows as an ascetic monk and relationships are (mostly) a waste of time that could be used to become perfect and one with the universe

>>53136414
>Best Husband
Franze

>>53136606
Then I wager you're already good friends, because her constant aura of charm person has a stupid high save DC.

>>53136666
The trick is that she's a 5e player so she targets charisma saves, which no pathfinder player has so they default lose.

>>53136703
>/5eg/ in my /pfg/
GET OUT REEEEEEEEE

Have you ever tried to RP as a dandy?

>>53136751

Yes. There were no survivors.

Wasn't my fault or anything, we just hit a TPK.

>>53136666
A stupidly enormous save DC?

>>53136751
I have. He was an item crafter. Everything he crafted was gaudy and ostentatious.

>>53136100
Watch out, you're trying to use common sense in /pfg/ when it comes to PoW. You can't do that, you'll rile the autism.

>>53136624
I have an NPC that worked up her entire life to do something that her culture was forbidding (being a female warrior). She's eventually going to have a moment when she'll put herself in a quasi-certain death situation, for honour, just to be like her male peers. Stopping her would be a dick move.

The PC is her best friend and he has his own obsession with magic. Both are ready to die for what they want. I'd consider it fair.

However, it's still not certain she'll bite it. I consider that the tone of the campaign is set by how well generally are the players performing, with always a chance for powering through the encroaching darkness.

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Anyone ever done the Captain America Brawler-Shield Champion build?

Just starting up a new side campaign with a buddy, it's a 1 on 1 for the forseeable future and I've made one of these for kicks. Any tips?

>>53136580
>Most kids
>Kyras

That's cheating, he's shooting litters!

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>>53135821
He's a melee character that requires a minimum of three feats for little more than roleplaying purposes.

Can't make it work.

>>53137048
are you a barbarian

>>53137089
There's no room for power attack at 1st or even 3rd level, so no.

>>53136982

I've played one before-quite a lot of fun. Not exactly difficult, just smack them around if they're close, ricochet if they're not. Don't forget about your Martial Flexibility, though-could get you a useful maneuver or bonus if you've got an idea of what you're walking into.

>>53137048
>>53137109
You don't need power attack till level 5 if your strength is huge and you use a two handed weapon

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>>53137150
My desperate need to optimize won't let me do it no matter how hard I try.

>>53137176
What the heck feats do you need that you can't even spare one for power attack. Aren't you a human

>>53137048
Play with feat tax rules and be free, my child.

>>53136852
That seems to go against the idea of a dandy.

>>53137192
Racial Heritage, Storm Soul, Storm Warrior.
>>53137194
I tried. My DM wasn't having it.

>>53137214
Take storm warrior level 5. That is also the same level barbarians get good DR with invulnerable rager so you can play it that your mastery of your giant ancestryis being attained.

Plus don't you think that barbarian fits a giant heritage person more.

So you take racial heritage at level 1, storm soul at level 1, power attack or storm warrior at level 3, then the other at level 5, and raging vitality at level 7. Then anything you want.

>>53137214
>My DM wasn't having it.

Slay them and consume their heart, becoming DM.

>>53137273
This is a good idea.

7 just seems so far away when I only get to play once a month... or less. Especially when a regular barbarian could just have power attack and raging vitality at level 1.

>>53136495
I'm trying! Been chatting with 'em for a while now, but my awkwardness might be slowing me down a bit.

>>53137176
Power attack is just -1 hit, +3 damage until BAB 4.
You'll be missing out on 6 damage then until level 5, but you can hold out for that long.

>>53136495
What's their Discord? I just might.

Two decent threads in a row with actual, decent discussion about pathfinder instead of just meme games? And not a single kitsune in sight? What is even happening here?

>>53137362
barbarians use two handed, but you are about right.

>>53137366
Posting discord addys is against the rules, but they're Ceri in the /pfg/ discord

So, what's the closest approximation to breakdancing fighting? MoMS to fuse Janni and Monkey style?

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>>53137395
>And not a single kitsune in sight?
Hold on, let me fix that

>>53137422
you got it exactly right.

>>53137460

ETAN NO, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED

>>53137422
Gonzo has a dancefighting Style.

>>53136294
Where did you get a picture of me?

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>>53137460
REMOVE FOX

>>53137471
Not qualified to do what, anon?

Sit in the passenger seat?

Surely he can do that.

>>53137474
It does? Shit, I need to find that.

>>53137471
He's old enough to sit in the front seat, you egg

>>53137577
http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/gonzo-feats#toc56

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>>53137546

Nah.

>>53137590
Thanks!

>>53137599
Seriously stop spamming this shit.

>>53137599
>Etan and Casimir.png

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>>53137655
>How did they find our secret?

>>53137730
Because Casimir wasn't as good and caring a daddy as you thought

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Is there a spell that you'd like to use, but have never gotten to, /pfg/? Anything in particular you'd like to do with it?

>>53137626
>a thing that happens maybe once every few dozen threads
>""spamming""

I do admit it was supposed to only be one image,
but I forgot that there was someone with meme filenames

>>53137748
Basically most of the Shadow spells that aren't just boring 'copy this other spell' things.

>>53137748
>a spell that you'd like to use
Explode Head

>Anything in particular you'd like to do with it?
Explode somebody's head.

>a spell that you'd like to use
Aversion

>Anything in particular you'd like to do with it?
Fuck somebody up in a fight with a spell that clearly wasn't made with combat use in mind

Can what alchemists do be loosely considered arcane casting for the sake of meeting prerequisites?

>>53137815
Not by RAW or RAI, but it doesn't hurt to ask your DM.

>>53137815
Logically it would make sense, since "infuse with magic" is in the description for how extracts function. Mechanically though? No, because fuck you for wanting anything but disappointment.

>>53136982
I gestalted a Shield Campion with a Skirnir Magus once.

The sheet was lost in the Great Fire, and I barely remember enough to sort of rebuild it.

>>53137815
Despite the fact that that one magic book a while back said that the alchemy that Alchemists do is actually arcane in source, by RAW, no.

There is a discovery that lets them prepare and cast actual spells though. Might do the job for your DM.

>>53137837
>>53137843
>>53137910
So you're telling me that I can't transition from the Blood Alchemist archetype into the Bloodmage prestige class without having to take levels in another class too?

Man, that's lame. I just wanna have fun and play weird builds.

>>53137395
Relatively open-ended questions that play to aesthetic sensibilities instead of autistic superoptimization or pandering to memes. It's not really that hard, just something we haven't tried in a while.

>>53137991
We could always go back to talking about alignment if you want.

>>53137937
>have fun and play weird builds.
>in Pathfinder
What, did you think this was a good system or something?

>>53137937
Not by the basic rules.

But it's not the kind of thing that would actually break anything at all, so I'd ask your DM if he's cool with it.

Cuz if he is, there's nothing stopping ya.

Benefit of tabletops, yaknow?

>>53138002
Ugh, I'm still pissed about them keeping alignment in for starfinder

>>53138103
It allows for more customization than most.

>>53137937
Just ask your GM, anon. Unless you're playing PFS most GMs won't have a problem if you're not trying to abuse it.

>>53138108
>>53138140
Where do you guys find these DMs that just let you do things?

I want to play with your DMs.

>>53138125
"more" options does not a good system make, especially if said options amount to shit

>>53138176
Is there a better system out there?

>>53138154
Reasonable human beings aren't that hard to come by if you don't doggedly try to abuse every single bit of leeway they offer.

>>53138140
Would it be okay to bring in a feat like Kung Fu Genius? I mean, Monk's a shit class anyways so making it have a little compatibility with Int based classes wouldn't hurt.

>>53138211
If we knew, do you think any of us would be here?
Also, it heavily depends on what you mean by "better" in this instance, sincethat can be construed to mean "better" in any number of different ways, like design, balance, fluff, concepts, options, and what have you

These slow threads are killing me.

Don't you guys realize I have no one else to talk to?

>Find a nice theme song
>Can't find instrumental version
FINE, I DIDN'T WANT A THEME SONG ANYWAYS.

>>53138515
What's the theme?

>>53138507
What do you want to talk about? Memegames? Wierdo builds? That Guy storytime?

>>53138507
What's your favorite meme couple?

Nosferatu are coolest vampire breed

>>53138545
I like talking about weirdo builds but trying to put them together myself usually just makes me frustrated.

>>53138549
No.

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>>53138549

>>53138549
Your waifu x A fat bald man with no eyes

>>53138519
I don't have the vocabulary to describe the sense of music I'm going to even though I'm sure it isn't actually very complicated. I just wanted to anonymously complain about my mundane troubles. Thank you though.

>>53138549
Gonna be honest Gamze x Essa because I want to see DHB fall into degeneracy.

>>53138583
He meant post the song you numb numb.

>>53138569
What's making you frustrated? Maybe we can help?

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>>53138154
>>53138213
If you find a good GM willing to let you get away with silly things, treasure them. TREASURE THEM. Don't abuse them, if you're worried about something, express your concerns and let them do the same.

>>53138569
>I like talking about weirdo builds but trying to put them together myself usually just makes me frustrated.
I know that feel, friend

>>53138596
Oh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEyNxfS4NaU

>>53138582
NOT MUH WIST!

>>53138549
Gloriana x Sigmund ;_;

>>53138612
It's just that I usually end up getting halfway through finishing a character sheet before realizing it probably won't work in the way that I wanted it to.

This game offers a lot of flexibility but unless you're playing a spellcaster you're more or less stuck with a handful of viable builds and then a bunch of useless trap options.

>>53138549
QANON x Wist

Is it really bad to have this as the theme for my character even though he's not supposed to be for lewd?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWpZC1bKfX8

>>53138549
I don't want to push it too hard. I don't want to rush it. But there's another character that I'd really, really want to see a romance start with. Just so long as it can be done right.

And no, I haven't PMed them. I still worry that that'd be forcing it.

>>53138657
I feel it. It sucks to build spellcasters imo. Feels like I should have just played an archer for damage, or picked something with more thematic consistency.

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>>53138691
Qui audet adipiscitur!


PM your crush today, /pfg/. You have nothing to lose but your chains. You have the world to gain!

Curiously, I was thinking of making a spellcaster who can also grapple an enemy... how would I go about doing this? looking at a gestalt combination, and I'm just looking some half decent options for it, but I'm finding nothing.

I'm looking into it for the Rory'sSkull game

>>53138691
ANON WHAT IF ONE OF THE OTHER PCS TAKES THEM?

>>53138744
Summoner?

>>53138743
And say what? We should commit to this because I really like your character even if you might not like mine?

Besides, I'm pretty sure there's at least one or two others who also like that same person.

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What's your favorite weird build?

What's weird build are you currently working on?

Please help.

>>53138781
He could always steal them. Love triangles are hardly unheard of. Even King Arthur was cucked!

>>53138781
...Would it even be fair to PM your crush if it's in a game going on? I feel like it's more rewarding to broach the subject IC.

>>53138790
Dibs on that good daddy dick

>>53138744
Synthesist can get you large from Eidolol as early as lv.1 if you take extra evolution for 4 starting points. Enlarge Person will make you huge, giving you a nice reach and super grapple bonuses against smaller creatures.

>>53138790
>Second spoiler
I reeeally hope this is a /pfg/ game and we get all the details in the coming months.

>>53138807
Slow's a good sort, but not who I'm thinking of.

>>53138812
>Eidolons need level 6-7 to be able to size up to large
>Enlarge Person doesn't work on outsiders

shit nigga do your homework

>>53138822
You do realize you just cut the field of potential heartthrobs in half, right?

>>53138800
Currently trying to figure out how to make a non-magical detective that can compete. Or at least non-spellcaster. Vigilante into Sleepless detective seems like my bet at the moment.

>>53138841
Ah, but Anon--what if that anon IS one of those heartthrobs?

>>53138841
Why'd we automatically assume it was a male PC? I mean I did too but maybe there's some top waifu in a game we overlooked.

>>53138800
I'm confagging with the Veiled Lord Warlord. Crimson Totem at first level lets you use CON for to-hit and damage!

Seeing as the Holy Gun archetype for paladins is utter shit, what's the better way of going about doing a gun wielding paladin?

Gunslinger (Mysterious Stranger) 1/Paladin X?

>>53138841
>>53138858
>>53138865
Is DHB applying?

>>53138868
Is there a list of conversions to to-hit and damage like that?

I want to build the most SAD character possible.

>>53138879
Game is already running.

>>53138827
Fuck, forgot about that. It's been a while.

He could still get enlarge if he went Ifrit, but yeah forgot there was a level requirement on large.

>>53138868
How else doth one CONfag as a Warlord? It seems a bit awkward to do that and not go all the way with CON. Is there an Akashic Kineticist yet? For that matter, is there ANY archetypes for the Akashic classes?

>>53138888
Wasn't serpent's skull only posted like 2 days ago?

>>53138800
>Base Aasimar
>Ravener Hunter + Sanctified Slayer Inquisitor
>Noble Scion: War + Desna's Shooting Star
>Way more resources than any same individual should waste for something so shit

It's so bad but it amuses me to think about it.

>>53138858
Anon's clearly one of those heartthrobs. It's obvious! He can't hide his true face no matter what mask he chooses to wear!

>>53138879
DHB's only /pfg/ is just only about one third a man but it would make sense that there'd be competition for a DHB character.

>>53138893
>Akashic Kineticist
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19mnwMU_YslGOhDOg6TUbUFnGu8q5-NWHInQS4s6B0M4/edit

As for SAD CON Warlord, no idea. And there are no archetypes for akashics. :(

>>53138905
I read your post again, but still can't understand the fuck you're trying to say.

>>53138807
I dunno, I'm bracing to press F before too long. I've been burned before, so I'm scared.

>>53138869
Mysterious Stranger/ Paladin is a trap. It sounds nice in concept but it suffers from Stranger being a poor gunslinger and his damage being shit compared to other rangers. It's best qualities is that it makes for an alright face and starting lv 2 they are tough as nails save wise. Other than that they are mediocre or straight bad at everything.

Consider any other gunslinger archetype / Inquisitor instead. Keep the flavor of holy gunner and lose out on saves but get 1st level casting out the gate, some neat class features and WIS bonuses fucking everywhere which is always nice.

t. someone who only played various gunslingers for a year when he started

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>>53138869
Is it really that bad? I wanted to make one.

What's bad about it?

>>53138902
Bingo

>>53138790
I can't think of a single game with a love quadrilateral in it. What are you even talking about?

Is this a Dicky Daddy joke, because I'll fuckin' riot, I swear.

So has anyone PM'd DHB? Or is everyone to intimidated like me?

>Azlanti discuss with the Gillmen what the plans of the Veiled Masters are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcQq6VR13Ls

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>>53138930
This doesn't look official.

>>53138942
You Blingmakers better not be romancing it up one session in, you literally got years ahead of you!

>>53138979
Like I said, wanna take it slow. Wanna do things right.

>>53138644
Why don't you do a private "What If?"

>>53138978
>Implying there will ever be more official Akashic content
nice meme

>>53138941
You lose Smite Evil and Detect Evil.

You only start with 1 grit per day.

Your replacement for smite requires a standard action, which means no full attacks, AND it costs a grit point per shot. No AC bonus from it either.

>>53138941
You lose Smite for a shittier version that only works for a single standard action shot, You lose Detect Evil for just Amatuer Gunslinger and Gunsmithing, which is honestly not much of an even trade, and you don't even get Grit until 11th level and even then its severely handicapped so even when you get it its pointless.

Also, Pathfinder Gun Rules.

So yeah, its a straight up downgrade from the standard Paladin

>>53138973
This is hilariously perfect.
Never heard of this game, is it any good?

>>53138942
>>53138998
>one or two others

Holy shit, I thought the Franze thing was a joke

>>53139035
>>53139045
He's not talking about Holy Gun, he already talks about how it's shit at the beginning. He just wants to play a holy gun wielding warrior.

He's asking about a standard paladin / Stranger multiclass or gestalt.

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>>53139035
>>53139045
This makes me sad.

>>53139087
Just play a normal Paladin with a gun. Dip 3 levels of Trench Fighter if need be, for the little bit extra DEX to Damage.

>>53139084
Read it again. He was asking about holy gun and why it was bad.

>>53139066

It's a kind of okay game that got ruined by shitty marketing.

Excellent soundtrack though, and the plot is A+.

>>53139087
see
>>53138940
You CAN play a holy gun warrior that's at least somewhat useful, especially if this is gestalt and not multiclass. Just don't get hung up on Paladin or Stranger and force it, WIS is where it's at not CHA.

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>>53138790

Okay, this conversation is getting a little hard to follow. Can you just tell it to us plain, who you are and which character you have the crush on?

>>53139103
Then why did he specify mysterious stranger but not Holy Gun in his theoretical layout?
>Gunslinger (Mysterious Stranger) 1/Paladin X
Also
>what's the better way of going about doing a gun wielding paladin?
>better

He already knows it's garbage.
>Seeing as the Holy Gun archetype for paladins is utter shit

You reread his original post, fairly certain you misread 100% of it.

>>53139141
You missed a message inbetween them.

>>53139119
I am Anon and I am playing my character and I have a crush on all of you wonderful people.

>>53139141
>>53138941

>>53139160
>Is it really that bad? I wanted to make one.
>What's bad about it?

That could have meant the idea of a holy gunslinger in general. Why would he ask if it's that bad if he's already described it as utter shit? It doesn't get much worse than that.

>>53139184
Two different people asking, friend.

>>53139119
Don't tell us! You'll ruin the mystery! Just keep being your ridiculous self and hope for the best!

Nothing wrong with being the King of the Friend Realm

>>53139119
It was confirmed to be Blingmaker further up the thread. And a specific character, if you look closely.

The same asshole who keeps coming back to do schtick. And it's not too hard to figure out who else he means, since he only ends up flirting with one other motherfucker.

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Gentlemen.

Rebuild the fighter from the ground up using every archetype as source material.

>>53139206
That Andrik's pretty hard to resist. I don't blame him.

>>53139119
From what I've gathered of it he's Kyras from Blingmaker but I only know the basic memes of the game so I have no idea who the crush is.

I was a little disappointed it turned out to be Blingmaker. Nothing wrong with the game but it feels like shipping is a foregone conclusion there. I'm way more curious about couplings that might never pay off like RotJR.

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How do you build him?

>>53139184
You're confusing yourself.

>>53138869
and
>>53138941
are different people.

The first one (me) is asking about alternatives for Holy Gun.
The second one (other guy) is asking why Holy Gun is bad.

>>53139224
The fuck do you even mean?

>>53139224
Fighters gain Fighter Talents at every odd level. Fighter Talents are composed of all things that archetypes give.

>>53138790
>>53139119
Honestly, I'm more interested in an answer to the question at hand.
If you're in a game, is it kosher to PM someone else because you like their character and want to do something in game? Or is that something that should just be allowed to play out or not based on what happens in the sessions?

Because I'd assume the latter.

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>>53139193
How was I supposed to know? I thought it was just someone asking for build advice getting ignored again.

Either way, getting too wrapped up in this and missing the point.

Holy Gun is the shittiest way to build a holy gunslinger. That much is certain.

Stranger/Paladin is better, but not by much. The second an archer gets his mwk composite longbow (+2) with agile he's going to be eclipsing you in consistent damage.

Inquisitor or even Cleric in a Gestalt build is the best I've ever found, even beyond getting better spellcasting you wear so many hats it's ridiculous. Encyclopedia, Skill Monkey, high saves all around with a high initiative (DEX+WIS for Inquisitor), ranged damage dealer with better weapon choices (Musket Master, Pistolero, even Bolt Ace).

>>53139299
I thought this would be an easy answer but I'm really not sure after actually trying to think of one.

I mean it's certainly strange for two people to be playing characters that normally interact with each other in events that won't hold, but there're definitely going to be things you want to do, ERP or not, that don't come up during a game proper.

And while /pfg/ has somehow come around to the idea of contacting players for off-the-record relations with these characters, it does seem odd to me that this might somehow be more okay than two players who already have chemistry and have a groundwork doing the same.

I mean if there's actually a love triangle in a game and your character loses, isn't it weird that a stranger would have more right to what-ifs than the character who could've been?

>>53139296
>feats + AWT + AAT + fighter talents
Too much. They would completely shit on every other martial by a huge margin.

>>53139299
First, try going with your heart. PM them or don't, and if you don't want to, then maybe let things play out IC and see where it goes.

And if that doesn't look like it's going to work out, see answer for >>53139026

>>53139352
>I mean it's certainly strange for two people to be playing characters that normally interact with each other in events that won't hold, but there're definitely going to be things you want to do, ERP or not, that don't come up during a game proper.


Some games have Ratings Gates that prevent certain content, for instance. While most of the people here are Lewd As Fuck if you let them tell it, not every group does that sort of thing, so sometimes you'd be forced to resort to parallel tracks, so to speak.

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>>53139268

Is full-attacking with a gun something you just don't get to do?

Do you carry a gun for each attack?

>>53139421
Rapid reload + alchemical cartridge + pistol/musket with level 3 musket master.

>>53139407
Impossible Bloodline Sorcerer is a thought.

Dark Tapestry Oracle is another.

>>53139299
It just depends! Are your sessions really crunchy and combat-heavy, or do you get lots of fluffy time to spend there?

>>53139407

Oracle or Bard gripped by madness.

Seriously, read the Call of Cthulhu, it provides the perfect example of what a Human PC chosen by the Old Ones would be like.

>>53138812
>>53138782
Well, I mean without uses a summon to grapple the opponent. I wanna get up close and personal.

>>53139433
Ah, alchemical cartridges, that's the missing link I was looking for

>>53139447
I don't know how Blingmaker tends to go, but I'd assume the latter given the nature of the AP.

I'm personally more interested in just the ramifications of this question with regards to the group dynamic and etiquette of roleplaying.

>>53139485
You could alternatively use a bunch of pepperbox's with quickdraw I think.

>>53139375
>First, try going with your heart.

I'm going to clarify this with the fact that if *your* heart is implicated in this at all, that's highly suspect (unless it's Wist, then you're just human like the rest of us.)
PM if you aren't confident in your ability to get your point across IC, or if you need the PM format to get something done you can't do in the sessions.

>>53139224
Startoad pls go

>>53139486
Anon, just remember that a PM does not cement the relationship, you still need to roleplay that out and if that roleplay feels stilted and awkward, well, it means it wasn't meant to be.

Kingmaker is about building relationships and spending decades together, growing old together and having kids. You should absolutely PM them expressing interest in a relationship, but PM them explaining how you see the relationship working and if they think it will work too.

The absolute worst thing someone can say to that is "no," and from what I've seen of the Blingmaker players none of them would or will be jerks about it.

>>53139506
>get your point across IC
This bit is interesting to me actually. What kind of things might necessitate a PM? Roleplaying ability? Lack of downtime?

You know that feeling when your character is so stupid people think you're mocking them, not that your character is just a complete retard.

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How would you go about building a painter that can summon his paintings to fight for him?

Hard mode: It can't be a summoner.

>>53139540

More of the latter than the former, you send a PM when you want to tell the player you are interested in their character and want to do something with them. This doesn't mean you can skimp on the IC, it just means the player understands just exaclty what that character means when they stare at them.

>>53139224
A link for you.

http://pathminder.github.io/base-classes/fighter-drill-sergeant-mutation-warrior-myrmidon/

>>53139531
This is an excellent point. What you're suggesting is pretty involved, and while obviously we can't plan out our RPG character's lives in too much detail in advance, we tend to have a pretty good idea what kind of story beats we'd like to see. A long term relationship is a huge deal, and so that's something the other person might be interested knowing about in advance, especially if it conflicts with something else they might have otherwise planned.

That being said, if you're a strict traditionalist, you can stick it out with Session-based IC only, and hope that the other players are mature people who understand OOC and IC distinctions enough to realize that if their character and your character really are hitting it off, the Player's plan to do some stupid shit in the late game might not matter if the character yearns for something different.

>>53139224
Why not just play DHB's unchained fighter?

>>53139637
I wish other people were as into dysfunctional relationships and failures as I am. I live to see my characters suffer.

aaaaaa i wanna be in an unrequited love

>>53139540
Either one. It's understandable that you might have doubts about depicting the difference between humorous jabs and romantic overtures; real people mistake these all the time, every single day.
It also makes sense if you want to pursue something that isn't necessarily compatible with the sessions near you chronologically, but otherwise jives with that phase in the storyline for the characters.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHvD7PKMzdE

>>53139660
I mean, if that's what you want, then you don't need to PM anybody. Just make your character a mopey motherfucker and you'll be set.

But it's called escapism for a reason, friend! I wouldn't recommend doing this to yourself.

>>53139540
Here's an interesting one based on a true game. Two characters are into obviously into each other but neither would reasonably pursue each other romantically in-character.

What would you do /pfg/?

>>53139660
What if I already love you and you don't know it? You're in an unrequited love right now!

>>53139686
Awkward sexual tension punctuated with hooking up under the influence of substances or magic.

>>53139695
I guess there's always the big painoff of failing to love someone back.

>>53139686
Wait for a situation where their inhibitions are lowered and have them make unreasonable moves.

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>>53139572

>>53139761
Art summoner kineticist. Check SoP wiki, I think.

>>53139572
There was a 'storyteller' feat or something, that you could use to summon a person from an epic that was your level +2 for a number of rounds a day.

>>53139572
>>53139761
I'm not super familiar with the class but I'm fairly certain Occultist has some implements that can access summoning. Ask to use your paint brush or pictures as focuses for your powers. You should be able to get a nice Craft (Paintings) total on them too.

I want to dump DEX, what should I know?

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>>53139572
>>53139761
Tough call. It's a little hard to carry paintings around but I'd allow someone to re-fluff a spellbook as prints of their paintings. Or maybe have some sort of Bard/illusionist fluff their illusions as their paintings come to life. I love the concept, though. I have a Sorceress vampire NPC who traps the souls of her victims into her art to immortalize them. The party ended up befriending her and even let her paint an amazing picture of them with the promise that she won't trap them inside the picture. She hopes to outlive them and figure out a way to trick them into her painting eventually as it's one of her best.

>>53139572
>>53139761
Spellcaster with Scribe Scroll, refluff scrolls as paintings and refluff the spells on the scrolls as something "cast" by the painting minion. The spell consumes the paint though, so your little buddies are sacrificing their all for your sake.

I think of them as Pikmin, except they're not effective projectile weapons in their own right.

>>53139807
if you are a barbarian dex is for losers anyways. (Unless you are a come and get me build)

>>53139807
Brutal Slayer Stalker

>>53139792
Do you have any more information on this? I can't seem to find anything about it.

>>53139801
This is really interesting, I'll have to look into it.

>>53139814
A sketchbook would work fine, that's probably much more portable.

>>53139829
Scribe Scroll was absolutely on the list of things I was looking at.

Improved TWF and Greater TWF on a Steel Serpent/Thrashing Dragon/Veiled Moon stalker. Worth the feat slots?
I'm thinking no, since there's only a few full-attack strikes from TD. Sure, the high level one is nasty, but not worth-two-feats-to-improve-further nasty.

What day does WWW run again?

>>53139839
Depends on build and if feat tax is allowed. Deadly agility, slashing grace and dervish dancer do kinda make dex builds semi viable since they let you more or less dump str.

But from pure optimization standards, yeah str builda are more optimal but not everyone wants to be the strong type

>>53139882
I really can't remember the full name but its exactly what you are looking for. It might be a spheres thing.

This link is not the feat or anything remotely to what I am talking about but its cool check it out

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner/archetypes/paizo-summoner-archetypes/story-summoner-summoner-archetype/

>Touching up on an old rejected app due to finding a new tool for it
I think I really do prefer building to playing.

>>53139922
This is cool as hell. I was hoping to avoid summoner entirely but I'll bookmark it in case I can't make anything else work.

>>53139931
You can build every day, but usually you can only ever play a few times a month.

>>53139807
You're going to be wanting heavy armor to help your ac. Then what happens after is dependent on what flavour you're going for. If you are a martial anyway if you're a caster then err focus on spells that aren't ranged touch attacks?

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>>53136001
There's also pic related. Or pull a TAHN AHP and when he runs through the screen-thing it's like breaking a speed barrier.

Is Swashbuckler a bad class? And on that note, what about the prestige classes Swordlord and Duelist?

>>53139987
In-game its not a bad class. (as long as you dont shit up the game power levels with initiators) but here in the thread people will say its shit.

>>53139987
All shit.

>>53139987
Swashbuckler is bad unfortunately. It doesn't do much and what it does do it does worse than other similar classes.

>>53139882
A sketchbook sounds great. Color Spray could be a picture of a rainbow that suddenly veers off the page and into someone's face. Or Darkness could be a pair of white eyes staring out from a black page, overtaking the sight of those who look directly at it as they grow larger and glow brighter before winking out, leaving them sightless.

>>53139814
As an oil painter, you can literally paint on most things as long as the paint sticks. Quite a few paintings were done on paper or wood back medieval times as studies, they just didn't last because the paint eventually came off or the oil was absorbed so the pigment died.

Canvas or Linen, considering the time it takes to stretch and mount and the general cost, was only used for finalised paintings or by richer people.

That being said, even canvas/linen paintings are easy to transport, you cut the cloth from the back of the stretcher bars or whatever frame you are using to paint on and it can be rolled and carried as just a roll with no damage to the painting itself. You can have a small satchel with over 20 paintings on just rolls of cloth that you can stretch back onto a frame when necessary for presentation.

>>53139987
You can kip up! DON'T YOU WANNA BE A COOL GUY ANON?

>my planned endgame armor
>+5 Mithral Mind Buttressing Restful Glamered Comfort Greater Shadow Greater Slick Breastplate

What should I call it?

>>53140037
Bullshit.

>>53140037
I'd call it the Wasted Mithral.

>>53140037
heheh, buttressing

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>>53140037
>buttressing

>>53140037
How often will you need Greater Slick while still wearing your breastplate?

>>53140069
>>53140055
Mind buttressing is one of the best armor enchantments there is because it makes you immune to charm and compulsion effects + possession.

>>53140037

"The Slippery Jimlad"?

>>53140104
The reason it is Mithral and Comfort is to get it to 0 ACP.

The armor is meant with Restful & Comfort to make it so I never really have to take it off unless I feel completely safe. So Shadow and Slick are for various things one would normally use them for. Plus slick means my escape artist check can be used to escape grapples.

>>53139501
Pepperbox's are super expensive, only really practical if guns are commonplace.

>>53139807
Synthesist Summoner can dump DEX and STR if they just wear their super-suit 24/7.

What class is the nicest? What do I play if my character concept is the biggest pushover ever?

>>53140186
You only need one pepperbox per full attack you plan to make in a given fight. Just draw-fire your normal pistols until you decide to full attack, then whip out the pepperbox and empty it

>>53140208
How big is the average pathfinder battle?

I usually find myself pressed to make at least two or three full round attacks per combat, especially as a gunslinger who's job is to keep good positioning while blasting with accurate shots.

>>53137748
Reduce and Enlarge person.

Both obviously have tons of reasons to use them in AND out of combat, but we all know why.

>>53140201
Commoner

>>53140208
>>53140237
You could get the guntwirling feat and quickdraw so you can reload two revolvers as a free action with metallic cartridges. Revolvers are expensive, but crafting two of them is not that expensive. I did this once as a skeletal gunslinger

>>53140201
commoner or bard

>>53140259
>peasant covered in pig shite
>nice
Not in my experience, at least.

>>53140269
I'll agree with that. Especially the part about crafting, my DM tries to shortchange me on that soooo much even in commonplace guns. Rifle and Revolver are not far off as long as you have your handy dandy gunsmith's kit.

>>53140280
If you're a pushover your charisma probably isn't going to be so hot.

That would be one shitty bard.

>>53140299
exactly

>>53140201
Define pushover. No adventuring class really suggests being a wimp compared to a normal person

>>53140269
On the other hand, Rapid Reload and any advanced firearm has already solved your full attack problem.

Only real flaw is that advanced firearms being available is locked behind GM fiat.

>>53140201
>What is objectively the nicest?
Nicest? Probably Paladin, LG required.
Gray Paladins go home, no one loves you not even your god.
At the very least, they are nice to common decent folk.
>What do I play if my character concept is the biggest pushover ever?
Just play a cleric or any buffing class. Whenever someone asks you to buff them, comply immediately.
Even the enemy.
Baring that last part, just blow all your buffs to please others and keep running out of spells before the day is even half over.

>>53140201
Paladin that emphasizes the role of being a servant.

>>53140201
>>53140361
Oracle might be good for this. You might even be able to pick up a curse to help you reflect how much of a pushover you are mechanically.

>>53140361
>>53140371
Pushover Paladin~!
Will fight a demon to the death but says nothing when others take advantage of them!
Crusades because it is expected of them, and they don't want to let you down!
Lies awake in bed each night, mortified by small mistakes they made during the day!
Takes criticism poorly and is dependent on other people's opinions of them!
Pushover Paladin!

>>53140423
I want to fuck this paladin tenderly.

>>53140423
Likes abuse. Lets it happen to them. I played a knight like that in 3.5

>>53140423
Paladin it is.

Cantrips can be used an unlimited number of times in a day, right? It seems like that's what the rules are saying, and looking around on the internet that seems like what the interpretation of it is. You can only allot a few to use, but those few can be used as much as you want without depleting, unlike 1st and onwards level spells.

My DM is saying that you allot your three or four or whatever you get, and can only use them once before being depleted, so you'd have to prepare two Acid Splashes or whatever to use it twice. I don't understand why he thinks this and why he's being so obstinate about it, but I'm an early level caster and it seems like it's unbalancing shit if I can't use cantrips how they're supposed to be used.

>>53140494
>My DM is saying that you allot your three or four or whatever you get, and can only use them once before being depleted, so you'd have to prepare two Acid Splashes or whatever to use it twice. I don't understand why he thinks this and why he's being so obstinate about it, but I'm an early level caster and it seems like it's unbalancing shit if I can't use cantrips how they're supposed to be used.
Your DM is retarded.

>>53140494
He is probably used to how it was in 3.5 The reason they changed it was because it made early levels tough.

>>53140458
Don't forget to pick another PC with a strong personality and latch onto them because you're incapable of making decisions for yourself, you pathetic weakling.

>>53140534
I think I'll take an Oath of Chastity too. Wouldn't want them to think I'm looking for something you know?

>>53140515
Apparently.

>>53140528
I don't even know if he's played 3.5 to be honest.

>>53140534
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v22Ht1TwUqk

>>53140554
It's not like anyone wants your character anyway

>>53140554
I wonder what's the maximum amount of oaths one could stack by raw to weigh down a paladin.

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>>53140554
>you'll never force a qt pushover paladin to break her oath of chastity

why even live.

Post a character you want to play

Bisexual Kitsune Vigilante (Magical Child) boy with the Companion to the Lonely trait

>>53140494
>>53140563
Well he didn't like me arguing with him, so he told me to quit if I was going to keep it up. So I quit. Not a great loss, but still disappointing and bizarre, we had just come off a good session.

>>53138595
Is Gamze's player a degenerate?

>>53140664
What kind of adventure could you even throw this catastrophe at?

>>53140695
Considering that Gamze is constantly trying to get the boys to notice her? Yes.

>>53140695
Their Overlewd character is a literal prostitute isn't she?

>>53140664
Kitsune merchant prince struggling to take back his business empire

>>53140664
>>53140739
Did some lewd game just wrap up and spit the players back into the thread?

>>53140726
Is there a story?

>>53140775
I remember something in the logs about Orlan teasing her about being pale for a Keleshite, and Shanan saying he liked darker girls.

Which made her react something fierce.

>>53140703
All of them?
>>53140754
Not for me.

>>53140733
The least lewd prostitute.

>>53140834
>>53140775
More detail:
>During some idle chatter, Gamze says she needs to be careful that she doesn't get too tanned during this adventure.
>Orlan comments that she's already very pale for a Keleshite.
>Shanan adds that he likes darker girls himself. Then he gets a clever idea and sets Gamze up for some embarrassment.
>Asks if Orlan likes Gamze's current skin shade.
>Orlan takes the question very seriously and proceeds to stare intensely at Gamze.
>Gamze gets incredibly flustered.
>Orlan says he likes the way she looks, but adds that she blushes a lot.
>Gamze decides the conversation is over

>>53140876
That's cute!

>>53140886
Gamze is cute!

>>53140906
>>53140876
Gamze is the one that's Pariya-san, right?

>>53140908
Yes

>>53140876
Any stories of the other party members? I'm curious what they're like.

>>53140856
She's pretty sedate compared to the other apps. She sells sex and is violent but doesn't really combine them, although apparently she's a bit of a technophile from what I read on the app?

The literal thicc meme troll, the three-headed thicc dragon, the innocent succ, and two lawful dick machines were way more meme.

>>53140932
There are a lot of short bits of Iolanthe trying her best to make her clothes fall off

>>53140953
I wish I knew what "meme" meant in this context, I get the feeling people substitute it for "thing I'm salty about"

>>53140981
"characteristics which are highly stylized without attempts to make them appear natural to the character and setting", I guess?

4916 and Umbranae were the only ones that seemed particularly outlandish as picks, though.

>>53140963
Gamze is long-suffering in the face of THOSE.

It's been two harrowing nights so far.

>>53140981
Meme just means outlandish here, it's not complicated.

>>53140995
>>53141033
Well, given that both of those apps were really well written, I'll continue assuming it's just salt.

What's the craft DC for pearls of power? I can't seem to find where to find craft DC's for wondrous items

>>53140876
Stories about Essa?

>>53141116
DC 5 + Caster Level + 5 for every unmet prerequisite (aside from Crafting feats- they're mandatory).

>>53141134
Not much that hasn't already been shared.

>>53141145
You don't need a specific craft skill?

>>53141156
Spellcraft

actual Craft (Whatever) checks aren't used because only wizards are allowed to do anything cool

>>53141171
Oh right that makes sense. Do you need craft alchemy for brew potion or is that just spellcraft as well?

>>53141183
You can use either skill for potions

>>53141171
Mundane craft is some of the stupidest RAW I've seen, especially when you compare it to magic item crafting.

>Alchemist fire: 20gp, DC20 check
>If you make the DC20 check it takes you 3 1/2 days of work to make one 20gp item
>For it to only take you one day, you need to make a DC70 craft (alchemy) check

>The speed you can work on items multiplies with its DC, so it's 20 times easier to hurry production on a DC20 item than a DC1 item

>>53141215
Weapons and armor literally take years

>>53141200
Thanks. This thread is always super helpful. Can you take ten on spellcraft checks to craft items? What about copying spells into a spellbook? Or researching a spell?

>>53141156
>...spellcaster must make a single skill check (usually Spellcraft, but sometimes another skill) to finish the item. If an item type has multiple possible skills, you choose which skill to make the check with.

Each category of magic item lists other skills that are valid (i.e. armor and weapons can be made with Craft (armor) and Craft (weapons)), but Spellcraft is always an option so you'll probably do that.

>>53141223
Unless you're trying to craft or research or whatever while in immediate danger or distracted (basically in combat- you won't be), then you can take 10. You can only be denied the ability to take 10 while in immediate danger or distracted, or if there's a specific ability at play that prevents it (Use Magic Device specifically mentions you can never take 10 with it, for instance).

>>53141262
Thank you. So when I research a spell do I have to do it non stop for a week or can I take a ten each night for spell craft and knowledge arcana until I've spent the necessary amount of time and gold.

How does learning path of war maneuvers work?

Is it just like ToB when it comes to initiator level - maneuver level?