/srg/ - Shadowrun General

Cont from last thread.

>Playing a white human street Sam Humanis member who only wears sleeping tigers just to start shit

That's happening for sure Chummers.

>>53132670
Human is wot?
HUMAN IS WOT?
THIS MAN JUST RACIALLY DEGRADED ME!

>>53132670
>Beef the fuck out of him and get his strength and agility high as possible
>Make him instigate fights with Goblin Metas
>Make is catchphrase white is might
>?????
>Profit

>>53132981
>rest of the team is Orks and Trolls
It builds itself.

Does anyone else's chummer crash when trying to add qualities with FA toggled on? I've got the latest nightly

>>53132996
Trolling the easily trolled trolls?

>>53132589
My team?

>Sigurd: 5'3" dickhead Norse mage with a hate-on for dragons and delusions of grandeur. Sells drugs to the community and wants to become drug lord of the Hong Kong underworld. Owns a free clinic in Kowloon Walled City. In with Tamanous in a good way.
>Achilles: 8'-fuckheug Minotaur-turned-Mutaqua Tank with a serious hate-on for Yellow Lotus Triad and a love for his Stoner-Ares. Trying to make a deal with a dragon. Had CFD prior to his Infection. Probably the most pleasant person on our team. Took out an entire house full of triads by himself, including an adept with a monowhip, shit was cash omae.
>Rowan: 7"-whatever EXTREMELY Catholic South African hedge mage (manipulatiom) Elf Infiltrator wanted for a double murder he didn't commit and has a hatred for the Infected bordering on crazed obsession. Only lives in bolt holes. Really likes architecture a lot. Not very charismatic. Seriously hates the Ordo.
>Tony Pajamas: Human face addicted to orange juice and complexity. Has infinity identities, fucks free spirits in his down time. An enigma wrapped in a riddle.
>Liv: 6'-something Elf Decker/Face. Hates Sigurd because he hates her, has a lovely daughter that has seen the mafia almost burn their house down and kill her mother. Heavily involved with the City in a bad way.

We usually improve the communites we hide out in except that one time we violently evicted a bunch of Mexicans from their apartments. We get attacked by Aztechnology far too frequently. Their recent attempt on our lives chased us all the way to Hong Kong.

I love my team, wouldn't trade them for anyone else. Dunno how they feel.

>>53133058
What you running Omae?

Your team seems.... Unique.

>>53133058
*Vory, not City. Fucking autocorrect.

>>53132996
That'd be great.

>Rest of team only keeps him around as a fall guy
>Can't fucking get the guy caught/killed
>Blame it on human privilege

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>>53133058

>>53133187
I'm the mage, and we're in 5e. We had humble origins, things just kinda... snowballed.

>>53133225
Fun fact, that's exactly the image he used to introduce the concept.

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>>53132589
Who does your team consist of?

>Close on 7' lanklet Amazonian combat monster. Loosely holding onto the last scraps of essence she has after being repeatedly gutted and re-assembled. Barely remembers what being a human being is like. Born middle class, but became a shadowrunner just to kill people essentially. Moonlighted at a Bunraku Parlor briefly for quick cash but accidentally killed a client after loading the wrong simsense. Has a sort of secret sponsorship with Universal Omnitech after a run went bad.
>A lady-killing Irish-born Fomori shaman. Handsome, smooth talker, really laid back most of the time but actually intensely radical. Wants to one day return home and kick the elves out of power. Ireland for all Gaelics regardless of metatype and all that. Pagan and hates Catholics, unsure if they or elves is worse. Unconsciously an Awakened supremacist.
>5'2' Elf rigger and driver. Born and raised in the Seattle shadows. Probably the most streetwise of the bunch, if he weren't incredibly awkward and a bit of a push over. Turns into an absolute maniac when rigging or driving though. The most bloodthirsty of the bunch. Usually ends up crying himself to sleep.. Actually pretty cute but incredibly disheveled. Often forgets he's an elf. Has a crush on the combat monster.
>Bitchy Arab Hobgoblin chick, built for edge, also the face. Has metatype reduction but plays up being goblinized when it suits her. The scion of a very recently dismantled crime family, still has lots of money. Has a baseball bat wrapped in gold barbed wire. Wears a hijab as a fashion statement while showing off tits and ass. Honestly the chillest of the group

What kind of runs do you do?

We're actually pretty average in terms of what we run. Usually end up killing more people than we should though, but that's part of our charm.

>>53133790
>Bitchy Arab Hobgoblin chick, built for edge, also the face. Has metatype reduction but plays up being goblinized when it suits her. The scion of a very recently dismantled crime family, still has lots of money. Has a baseball bat wrapped in gold barbed wire. Wears a hijab as a fashion statement while showing off tits and ass. Honestly the chillest of the group

Holy fuck Anon How do you not TK that? What a Trainwreck. Kek

I've got a question. I'm considering trying to make a hybrid street sam/infiltrator type character. What sort of gear is absolutely necessary for those two roles (individually would be easiest I suspect, I can look for possible overlaps myself)

>>53134072
Bring an adept would be the cheapest way to do that.

But some things you're gonna want
>Something to beat hand scans
>Something to beat eye scans
>Something to beat biometrics
>Any other infill gear like lockpicks and key card copiers
>Anything to beef stealth

>>53134072
Acquire fuck high Agility, take all of the Breaking and Entering Gear. Take Stealth, Gymnastics, Locksmith and Hardware alongside your regular Samurai loadout.

>>53134121
How do you do all of that?

>>53133938
The chick that plays her is hilarious, so it works out. I can see how it could turn out to be a total fucking disaster though if someone tried to play it straight.

>>53134177
Lots of ways. Cyber, magic, straight up tech. More than one way to skin a cat Anon.

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How small can trid-projectors be? Is it possible to have ones small enough to be fit onto the face via adhesives/piercings for an instant trideo-mask?

I mean, balaclavas and physical masks would easily be more useful and easier to implement, but this way sounds much more cool and genre-appropriate.

>>53134177
Well:
>Something to beat hand scans
Cellular Glove Molder, Dynamic Handprints, possibly Body Sculpt (depends on what your GM allows you)
Or simply opening it and tampering with it
>Something to beat eye scans
Retinal Duplication, possibly Body Sculpt, possibly reprogrammed cybereyes you take with you. Or, again, opening and tampering
>Something to beat biometrics
Body Sculpt, False Front, Retinal Duplication, Retinal Adjusters, Voice Modulator, having your Decker hack into it and letting you through
>Any other infill gear like lockpicks and key card copiers
This is just gear
>Anything to beef stealth
Muscle Toner, Reflex Recorder, Attribute Boost, Increased Ability (Sneaking)

This is just a small selection

>>53133790
>elf crybaby manlet with a crush on the 7ft chromed bunraku amazon
>jersey shore harley quinn slut who wears a hijab "as a statement"

...these people are from 4chan

>>53134636
Right for the first two, wrong for the second. Now guess which I am.

>>53134696
Harley Quin Hi-job goblin?

>>53134636
Lmao
>my thoughts, your words.

>>53134696
the amazon, she's first. that or the elf

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>>53134733
I'm the Amazon. The goblin is the only person who doesn't use 4chan. She's also not really very Harley Quinn-y, besides the baseball bat. She's actually the most professional of the group after my character.

>>53134246
Well, yes, but I mean specifically, fagnuts.

>>53134422
See? This guy's chill. Thanks, mang.

>>53134871
Yeah, but we'll give you feedback on a character sure.

You seem to be under the misconception we're here to build a character for you. Put in the effort first dipstick.

>>53134871
>Wtf why won't you spoon feed me!?

Douche.

>>53134833
>>53134855

But the important question is, what about the fomoroi? Are they a regular fa/tg/uy or are they some kinda celtic pride /pol/ asshole?

>>53134319
Shit's omni-directional so I'd imagine it applies vision penalties for being right up in your own face. Other than that I would have the projector worn on the front of the neck under a wide collar or armor.

>>53134924
On the more normie end of fa/tg/uy. He's posted here on occasion.

>>53134924
Who besides fat middle aged white ladies has Celtic Pride? Is that actually a /pol/ thing?

>>53135019
IRL humanis love their eurotrash pagan bs. Kinda sad how so much cool history is being used as a political tool by asshats.

>>53135117
I know about Norse and Slavic stuff, but are the Irish actually doing that now? I thought they were mainly hardline Catholics?

>>53134422
>>53134871
Generally, unless your decker is not your chummer and does not hack security cameras, you don't want to specialise in fooling biometric scans. It's expensive, gives you a small dice pool, and the system has an pretty good chance of kicking your ass on the opposed roll.

Instead, what you want are Hardware and Locksmith skills, the correct toolkits for each, and (as mentioned) the decker to hack security so you don't flag as suspicious while dismantling biometric locks.

>>53132589
Who does your team consist of?
>Thrall, a Scottish orc shaman with anger issues and a love for punching. He's new, both to the team and to the shadows.
>Bulwark, a dwarf who is more machine then man and inherited his cyberarms from his dear departed dad. He takes rockets to the face and keeps on ticking.
>L33T, a human hacker/infiltrator who uses the two to boost the other. He does all this with no augmentations or magical abilities.
>Fox, a fox changeling who acts as party face. Most of his plans are pretty ridiculous like drugging hobos and convincing them he's God and forging the papers needed to convince Knight Errant Seattle that he's a UCAS FBI agent named Agent Popandopilis (they're starting to catch on).
>Bill Nye the Magic Guy (me), a human hermetic mage who joined the team shortly after his wife left him. He acts as the team's conscience and tries to keep them (particularly Bulwark) from wholesale murder of anyone who looks at them funny.

What kind of runs do you do?
Our runs tend to be either extractions or data steals against various shady small time corps. Usually L33T and Bill Nye come up with a plan that falls apart, usually due to either said shadiness or bad luck, and it becomes Bulwark's job to wade in with his cyber spurs.

>What do you think of your teammates?
Fox tends to seize up when ever anything unexpected happens forcing the rest of the team to scramble to cover for him. This is upsetting but workable in most situations but less so when he has to frickin' talk his way out of a situation.
L33T needs to get some augs if he's gonna make it in the shadows.

>>53135154
its anything euro dude. norse, slavic, celtic, germanic, etc. It's mostly meaningless. but let's drop bitching about pol and go back to shadowrunning.

Has anyone had any notable encounters with humanis in game?

>>53134948
4e had full body holo wear clothing. I don't see why you couldn't replicate that in 5e until they pull their collective thumbs out of their asses and write it into Attitude V2.

>>53133039
Latest being 5.192.70? Hrm. It should work, I thought I fixed all the leftover bugs from that. Do you get a specific error message?

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>>53132589
So just how unacceptable is running a Bunraku parlor in the shadow community? If a player were to somehow come into ownership of one, would they be expected by almost all of their associates to burn it down and free the girls? Or is it mostly overblown by self-righteous Shadowland posters?

>>53135478
Hrm. Can't reproduce it, don't have access to the crash dumps at the moment either. Um. Is there a line reference? Is it a brand new character you're experiencing it on, or do they already have a few qualities selected?

>>53135241
>>Fox, a fox changeling who acts as party face. Most of his plans are pretty ridiculous like drugging hobos and convincing them he's God and forging the papers needed to convince Knight Errant Seattle that he's a UCAS FBI agent named Agent Popandopilis (they're starting to catch on).
Not for nothing but this sort of player tends to get under my skin.

>>53135553
I don't think you'd be expected to burn it down it's not like there's a shadowrunner police force coming to punish you, it's just that most people would think that you're a real piece of shit. More than most shadowrunners, I mean.

>>53135553
>Runners with morals

This isn't DnD Chummer.

>>53135589
Yeah, depending on the tone and the skill of the player it can really make or break a campaign. It's either a colossal groan fest where he drags the other players through his shitty schemes, or a hilarious romp. More often than not it's the former unfortunately, at least in my experience.

>>53135589
Furries are pretty annoying. Especially autismos that freeze up and probably shouldn't be facing.

>>53135623
>>53135241
Does he freeze up in character because of a quality? Or out of character because he's a spaz?

>>53135557
Thats the only info I've got from the crash dump box, it was on a new character though. I'll mess with the settings to see if its some weird combination.

>>53135639
Hrm. In theory it's going to be a quality looking for a prerequisite that isn't found, that it tries to then present to you. The prerequisite code is all set to if != null though, so that's puzzling. Is it a specific metatype?

>>53135687
Its present on all metatypes.

>>53135623
I can let playing a shifter slide but the spamming of aggressively stupid plans that fly in the face of reason and good sense is just unforgivable. It's always to accomplish something completely unnecessary too, like the GM mentions some small complication could arise with an existing plan and this player spins up some plan as elaborate as it is absurd just to negate the complication instead of approaching the problem from another angle.

The people that piss me off are those scrubs that think the NPC Butch ever appeared before Fourth Edition. I hate them so much, lying to my face like that.

Help me prove my beloved waifu is a 4E original, guys.

>>53135687
Yekka, shit's fucked up. If you make an Adept, give it the Stag mentor spirit, and later want to increase the levels of Light Body, you can't. If you take ranks in Light Body first, THEN take Stag, it makes all your ranks in Light Body cost nothing. This MIGHT happen with other mentors, but I haven't tested it, but I know it does it to Stag.

>>53135965
Yeah, it's a known thing. Mentors and qi foci are a clusterfuck that breaks pretty much anything with levels. I've got it mostly fixed in the databoundpowers branch, but it's currently disgustingly slow when rendering the power controls and it has some issues ingesting existing characters. I may have to just force a clean break with it, provide a dump of the current power ratings and such and tell the user to redo everything, but I really don't want to do that if I can avoid it.
>>53135921
I don't recall her from any of the older books, but most of the old BBS members were throwaway references.
>>53135743
Hmmmm. Do you have all the books turned on? Could be there's a quality that's checking for a reference that doesn't exist due to book restrictions?

Does someone have a direct link to Sixth World Tarot pdf? Having issues with the OP links.

So going off the last thread, are there any actual sources IN 5e books that state the appearance of the Sleeping Tiger suit and why it's so bad to wear one?

>>53136247
Chummer:
Go to Desuarchive or any similar /tg/ archive
Search for "Trash and Whores"
Weep

>>53136113
Is there any way other than doing that to really fix them, though? Since if there isn't, it seems like eventually it's just going to be forced to do that, so it'd be better to just rip that bandaid off and get it worked in.

>>53136247
Not to my knowledge, the actual description was in 4E books. 5E is delightfully unhelpful in that it just says that Shiawase bought out the Sleeping Tiger line and built on it.

So yeah, it's basically a suit that looks like it was made of garbage. Think 'Derelicte' from Zoolander,

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>>53136403
The major quirk is with qi foci. I can force a refresh of the quality without too many issues, but qi foci cache their bonuses in a weird way that won't line up with the new system properly. The operating theory is that I'm going to have to unbind the focus, remove it, re-add it to regenerate the bonus code, and then ideally transparently reselect the power, but I'm not entirely sure it'll behave. I can't just tell people to do Reapply Improvements due to the bonus caching either, so it almost needs a full character rebuild of the powers component, which I really want to avoid.
>>53136247
As funny as it would be for it to be trash-chic, it doesn't really fit the aesthetic that was described previously.

>>53136585
Couldn't you just have Qi Foci do their thing in the same way that Mentor Spirits would?

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>>53136247
Pic related is from canon companion, 3e. Some people here like to overstate just how much of ST is poly-latex, how uncommon and slutty that is in the sixth world, and get real ornery about it.

>>53137231
Cool, but nothing concrete has been printed about it's appearance in 5e books. That means I'm free to flavor it as I please.

>>53137933
>Nyah nyah, my niggersuit hasn't had a description made in 5e, that means all previous ones are invalid! It's not made of shitty PVC and latex that makes me look like a crackwhore, I swear!

>>53137933
Table ruling has always been free to do whatever with setting & mechanics, mate. You could say orks are purple one eyed cannibals in your games.

>>53137933
Well, yeah. That's called houseruling or homebrew. You can do what you want there, but it doesn't give you any sort of authority outside your game.

>>53136707
Short version 'Yes, but....'

There's some minor issues with it that would risk some problems with this and that. It becomes sort of a question of how much I want to invest into preventing stuff from breaking versus how much is actually being used.

This is sort of why we wanted to build in anonymous reporting a while back, it would've been useful to know that of the X adepts that have been made, only Y of them have qi foci. Not a big deal though, I should be able to sort it out soonish.

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So what's your favorite thing to come out of the most recent book? I'm pretty interested in the Elder Gods tradition for an upcoming character.


Also, I need images of street witches and other more occult magic users.

>>53138753
Adept Counterspelling, so mages can't steal my tasty veins.

>>53138844
So, questionable Awakened streetdocs when? Tamanous coming back with a reagent-gathering specialty?

>>53138753
>Be an Adept
>Happen to have Revenant Adept
>You activate it while fighting Tamanous
>They narcoject you and start cutting bits off of you to force you to keep regenerating
>They trap you in a facility, your regeneration never shuts off until you stop being below full health
>You're constantly, forever, going to be chained to a wall at near death
>You will never see again. You will never hear again. You will never feel anything but the knife.
>You won't taste food, you're fed via the Nutrition spell. You won't ever breath again, you're given oxygen via magic.
>You will never escape.

>>53139088
>you're fed via the Nutrition spell
At least this way you'll burn out, eventually.

>>53139186
Nope.

>>53139214
Yep.

>>53139246
>>53139186
Explain instead of asserting. Burden of proof is on you chummer.

>>53139276
Read the spell. Nutrition is addictive.

>>53139310
Yeah, and? As long as you continue to have it cast on you it won't be an issue.

Yekka, there's some sort of a bug related to Infected that add magical skills like Spellcasting/Counterspelling and already having the quality that does that like MysAd or Magician. It makes the skills list themselves twice in the skills list, which bloats it up really hard.

I only know this because I'm making a Nosferatu Bloodmage.

>>53135019
>who has Celtic Pride?

Bostonians

>>53135608
>runners without morals

This is Shadowrun, omae

>>53139592
Well, it's not like hooders make enough nuyen to afford the hardware to hassle you.

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>>53139503
You brave little soldier. I acknowledge your pain. Maybe one day you'll learn to read, and then open the core book.

>>53139629
I'm sure one of the Jackpointers has a hard-on for saving people from bunraku parlours. There's lots of folks with lots of different triggers, and more than few are capable of hurting you if they put their mind to it.

Leaving aside the question of whether your character themselves is ok with the moral implications of bunraku.

[5e] Can someone have more than 1 BTL chip running at the same time?

>>53139911
You theoretically CAN if you have more than one jack, or cram two into an adapter, but it would be extremely garbled and possibly painful to the senses. BTLs are basically full sensory immersions taken directly from someone's perception, and then turned up to 11. You wouldn't want to have an unfathomably peaceful moment of you sitting in the park, smelling the upper-class food district in the distance, while also playing a really raucous love-making session. They'd be telling your brain that your body is in two different places at once, experiencing two different sets of sensorium.

Yekka, Lash is incorrectly listed under Manipulation, but it's a Combat spell.

>>53139984
You're just talking about dreamchips. Not all BTLs are explicit scenes. You also have moodchips, personafix chips, and specialised chips.

In any case;

>Roll 1D6 for each drug beyond the first, and total the results. Modify the total by drug grade (if applicable) and consult the [Drug Interactions, Chrome Flesh 193] table.

>>53139692
Tumblrposting, guess I shouldn't expect anything better from someone seriously arguing in favor of ever using the core addiction rules.

You baitin' me chummer?

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>>53140320
No thanks, m80. You keep whatever that post is for next time.

DEDICATED
SPELLSLINGER
10 KARMA
(ASPECTED MAGE: 5 KARMA)
Minimum Requirements: See description
Characters with this quality completely forfeit
use of the Summoning and Binding skills as ac-
tive skills, but they may still use any previously ac-
quired ranks in those skills as Knowledge skills. In
exchange, characters gain a new spell for free every
time they raise their Spellcasting skill, and the Kar-
ma cost of learning new spells is reduced by 1. The
character also receives a free spell for every rank
they possess in the Spellcasting skill at the time of
purchasing this quality, including character genera-
tion. Specializations count as one rank in a skill for
the purposes of the free spells offered by this qual-
ity, but the selected spell must be compatible with
the specialization. Aspected mages who are able to
learn skills in the Sorcery skill group automatically
meet the requirements for this quality.

Yekka, Chummer isn't currently properly taking care of Dedicated Spellslinger. It'll reduce the Karma cost as normal, but it doesn't actually give you the free spells like it's supposed to.

>>53139517
Yeah, it's a known thing. It's a vestige from when we made skills non-unique, I haven't had a chance to make it concatenate skills with the same ID yet.
>>53140066
Whups. Will fix.

>>53132589
Who does your team consist of?

Well, a few of them browse this thread so I probably shouldn't say much. But here's the stupid bullshit we've done before:

>ramming a van into the front entrance of a casino because they just had no fucking clue what to do
>dropping shipping containers on a submarine then our adept punching a hole through it
>a new teammate nearly dying on their first run because they took a taxi driven by a madman
>our sniper jumping off a building, killing a politician mid free fall, then grappling onto another building, all while ANOTHER team member witnessed the murder play out and was initially totally unaware of what just happened

We do some dumb shit sometimes.

>>53138261
Are they not?

>>53139702
>Jackpointers

You mean faggots right?
Same thing

>>53143249
Hey, cut that out! That's an insult to all faggots to be compared to JP'ers

>>53142717
I swear to god I've read you post about your adept punching a hole in a sub at least 4 times in the last month or two.
Matter of fact it inspired me to make my backup character based around punching holes in shit.

Is there any point in the new skinwalker quality beyond first level? There aren't many mundane critters in the books in the first place (unless I missed a book) und surely nothing with a constitution >9 that is also small enough so that you could carry it's pelt around with you.

I'm thinking of building an unarmed adept with adept spell and maybe a bearpelt, but I don't see myself using more than one level of the quality.

The flexibility of the first level is surely nice though. You get the ultra low drain of (Critter) Form but with much more flexibility.

>>53136165
Would also like this, tarot mages sound fun

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>>53136165
You mean Book of the Lost? I don't know if there's a PDF of the cards

http://docdro.id/wVKQdRI

>>53143893
Not how it works. It's a pseudo-Deck of Many Things and everyone is trying to collect the cards.

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Is there such a thing as smart-paint or nanobots that could etch large areas?

I have an idea for a revolutionary character with Signature Style who leaves behind tracts of propaganda written on the walls, so The Man has put in a lot of effort to remove them and The People can see The Truth that is being hidden from them, but I don't know how to go about it. The closest I can think of are some houseruled Etcher nanobots.

>>53144138
Apparently it's also a new tradition, new Mentor Spirit, and a new conjuring framework, all courtesy of Forbidden Arcana.

>>53144167
leaving a calling card seems like an exceptionally stupid thing to do for a shadowrunner

>>53132589
>chubby Mexican weaboo rigger. Daughter of a drug dealer, allergic to cats
>racist elf sniper. Edgier than a Rob Liefeld knife collection, fond of his grapple-gun arm
>raven shaman conman. Recently deceased because he was too confident in his mind control powers
>bliss addicted decker. Recently deceased because he was too confident in the shaman's mind control powers
>elf face/demolitions expert, which has more synergy than you'd think. Team leader.
>a human adept pitched as "Snake, but played by Michael Biehn." Group conscience/only sane man.

Together, we perform feats most runners are too smart to attempt.

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>>53144180
Gotta get around to reading FA. Still, you don't need the Sixth World Tarot for that.

>>53144196
But for a man looking the change the world, spread of The Truth is more important than personal safety.

>>53144226
>But for a man looking the change the world, spread of The Truth is more important than personal safety.
Yeah just saying, if I understand this correctly, and this is not just something he does during his downtime like a hobby, but on actual runs you are leaving breadcrumbs that lead right back to you.
And you also won't get much of an audience.

If you have a dude do graffity between the runs that another thing.
Or if spreading the message becomes the run, when you try to highjack a broadcast or something.

Maybe I just read it wrong.

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>>53144167
>>53144196
That'd be the Signature Negative Quality (RF p159) more than Distinctive Style. Pic related, in case there was any confusion. One is a calling card, the other is something about your person (tattoos, style, personality) that makes YOU easy to remember.

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>>53144254
Sorry, got the name mixed up. I knew it wasn't Distinctive Style, but I misremembered Signature.

I've played lots of DS characters, but no one with Signature, so I was looking to try something new

>>53144252
It isn't necessarily during every run, it's when the situation calls for the signature. So there's no point in doing it if the run is to go clear out a group of dwarf supremacists from the Orc Underground, but if we're breaking into a Renraku complex to grab the list of payments they are making to said supremacists, might as well swing by a public area and wake up the sheeple.

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Can't find me Chummers

>>53143642
Actually I'm not the adept. Didn't realise he posted about it so much, bless him, so sorry about that.

>>53144342
I don't think you can pick and choose when he does it Omae. Kinda negates it being a negative quality imo. I'd think of it more as your character is fanatical and thinks everyone should know about the corporate shills running the world no matter who they are.

>>53135553
A significant percentage of bunraku parlours are legit businesses with employees whose main difference is that they don't remember anything about their work day. Interfering with that is just being a dick to people trying to make their way through life.

>>53143249
Hypocrites, more like.

>>53143893
Tarot mages are in Forbidden Arcana. AFAICT, what I was looking for is the Book Of The Lost.

>>53144451
Which would be super fucking annoying to be around in the SR universe because it's well known that, that's how that world works. Kind of the equivalent to today's "Bush did 9/11" conspiracy theorists. We all know he did it, but guess what? No one cares.

>>53144528
>"Bush did 9/11" conspiracy theorists. We all know he did it, but guess what? No one cares.
lol

>>53135553
I was actually considering making a medic adept and fluffing him being some kind of bunraku technician who street docs on the side, so I'm actually curious too. Still fine-tuning the character and idea though.

>>53144942
I'm not saying it's a bad play. Hell I'd like to run with that guy in my group for the banter alone. I'm simply stating that the way signature reads, it seems like something your character almost has no real impulse control over. He just does it. Which makes sense, it being a -7 (IIRC) negative quality.

>>53144942
>>53145023

I could imagine it now

>Team does run to retrieve data for Corp
>Neo anarchy guy keeps bitchin passive aggressively the whole time about working for a Corp/being a shill
>Find out Corp is doing some shady shit
>Whole group groans ic because they know the holy tirade of I told you so's is about to come pouring out like lava from Mount Vesuvius
>Neo guy's tirade nearly blows the opp

Then you can have him also go on rants at inopportune times if a Corper says something that really sticks in his craw. Like, "the people don't know what's good for them!"

>Team can feel the anger radiate before the retaliation comes

May not be good for longevity, but shit it'd be fun.

Hey guys. Friend of mine is running Shadowrun this weekend. Him and the group have never played before so I want to play something crazy and interesting. Ideas?

>>53145023
-10* if I'd just scroll up and read I'd know. Kek

>>53145428
Naga. Partly because talking snake, and partly because I have literally never even heard of someone playing one.

>>53145428
I had an idea not to long ago to run a meta plot akin to Ozymandias and his plan in Watchmen (tweaked to the world obviously).

I planned on replicating him with lots of really high end bio, cyber, and nano, maybe a few Homebrews thrown in to make him a true BBEG. I was gonna make his plot to start a war between metahumanity and the dragons by replicating a magical explosion and blaming it on a dragon. Something along those lines.

>>53145472
Didn't know you could? it's 5e btw. Also I meant more character gimmick, like mechanically. It could be naga also.

>>53145438
Looks like you also quoted the wrong anon.

>>53145428

>>53145498
I'm this guy

Didn't realize you meant you were paying as a runner. Kek

>>53145503
No, I was quoting myself. I meant the negative quality is -10 not -7.

>>53145500
Check out Run Faster if you want wacky shit. You can play as a Sasquatch too.

As for archetype concepts? Decker/face who never meets with anyone personally but has his "face" carried around in a briefcase.

>>53145428
Do you have any idea what sort of char you wanna play? Like street Sam/face/Decker/mage?

>>53145663
Not really. I've made a mage of the vodou(voodoo?Typo in book perhaps) tradition that I haven't played much which could be fun, but i'm going to be playing him in another game. I feel like no to playing a decker but also i'm the only one who knows how the decking rules work, so I may have to.

>>53145738
Decker/rigger old gnarled dwarf who lost his family to some tragedy or another is an idea I've been messing with.

Was thinking of making all his negative qualities an extension of him losing his family. Addictions, driven, vendetta all that jazz. Control freak type who needs to be in control cause last time he lost control his family died.

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>>53145738
>vodou(voodoo?Typo in book perhaps)

Both spellings are used.

>>53145738
>>53145798
If that's too dark, I was also thinking of doing an elf infil/face who changes genders to suit the job. I figure I fluff him being an ex bunraku puppet with no real personality left who uses persona chips and BTLs. All his negative qualities basically being an extension of it's shitty life.

>>53145738
>>53145824
>Not playing a voodoo made who's personality and voice is basically RDJ in tropic thunder.

What are you even doing with your lives anons?

>>53146043
Mage*

What am I even doing with my life anons?

Is it possible to make a character who is both a good mage and a decent decker?

>>53146559
no

>>53132589
>Who does your team consist of?
Dorkula. He wanted to be called deadeye, but he dresses up like dracula had a baby with Chow Yun-fat so that ain't happening.
Galzila. She's a surge lizard with anger issues. Also dorkula's roomate.
Speed Racer: I forget what he wanted to be called but that's ok, he's speed racer now. He's the rigger, obviously.

>>53146559
>>53146599
You can probably be mediocre as hell at both. Like if you didn't have any augs, so as not to affect your magic and relied solely on skills and external gear you might be vaguely okay. But I doubt you'd be able to stand up to a dedicated decker. Consider a Technomancer, they're hackers but are very magelike, despite being purely matrix based.

>>53146559
Depends on the GM. I'd say no on principal because magic isn't intended to be compatible with tech. Plus the adept hacker is a well known cheese.

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>>53146559
The problem is that decking is both skill-intensive and resource-intensive, while magic is attribute-intensive and skill-intensive. If you're playing a Prime Runner game, you might be able to afford a mediocre deck, Cybercombat, Hacking, and EWar, and be a Hermetic otherwise.

>>53146687
Raw magic and technology don't mix well, doesn't mean that they don't mix at all. Awakened people can still use computers, and things like Eliohann have datajacks. There's nothing that says that learning magic prevents you from learning how to hack, or vice versa.

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>>53142717
>sniping during freefall

>>53146733
I wasn't insinuating that, I apologise for the vagueness. I'll dig deeper into my thought process.

As an adept I would allow you to have adept affected attributes if you were to hack in AR. However, if you wanted to jump in and hotsim you go off your attribute without the magical assistance.

It would also be up to debate which magic actually even helps in AR too.

>>53146818
Cont.

Which is why I would just say no on principal unless a player hardlined on that being the only thing they'd want to do in the system. Simply because of all the different rulings I would want made.

Maybe I'm autistic but what's with the whole Veins thing about adepts? Saw it in the last srg.

Easiest way to make the rest of the team hate you IRL?

>Decker/swarm rigger

>>53146952
Tell me more? Swarm rigger you say?

>>53146913
tl;dr: adept body parts make nice magical reagents if you're an awful person.

>>53147015
As a Decker you take up a shit ton of time to begin with, couple that with a swarm rigger (rigger with a shit ton of little drones) and you have a character who will be eating up about a third if the session time on his own.

Okay, so according to the new magic book concrete spirits claim to have a union. Can they go on strike? Do they go on strike?

>>53146818
>>53146856
How is it up for debate if adept abilities work? You're boosting your Logic. Nowhere does it say, "Improved Ability can't be used for decking in hotsim/AR, because having a better brain only applies in meatspace." It's like saying that you can't get Improved Reflexes and use those passes to fire a smartgun, or that you can't use Heal to fix biofeedback. You're not sending magic through the Matrix, you're enhancing your own body and then using that body to interact with the Matrix.

Also, the word you want is, "principle."

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>>53147043
So every Awakened, basically.

>>53147088
I understand that raw doesn't specifically state that magic doesn't go into hotsim. I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to me considering magic and tech don't mix. It makes sense to me that machines can interface with other machines and that damage to your body could be healed with magic. Magic ability translating into the matrix however, makes no sense to me.

>>53147139
Cont.

Think about it like this, would you be able to cast a spell on the matrix? No. Then why would magical buffs exist there?

>>53147164
>>53147088
>You're not sending magic through the Matrix, you're enhancing your own body and then using that body to interact with the Matrix.

>>53146952
We love our swarm rigger though. She's our mobile CIC and is invaluable for scouting and surveillance.

>>53147196
Your sending a representation of your body into the matrix though and your body is being affected by essentially a magical buff. Why would that carry into the matrix? That's like saying a foci should carry over into the matrix as well.

>>53147217
I believe it. I'm just saying if you make a swarm rigger Decker you're going to be basically playing by yourself which will make people resent you.

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>>53147230
You're not sending a representation to do shit; it's the internet, not an astral plane where only your true self can travel.

You are plugging your brain into a computer and thinking. If you use magic to make the brain better, you can think better, and despite what you want there is no divide between thinking and writing something down, thinking and having it transmitted via trodes to your commlink, and thinking and having it transmitted via datajack to dataspike that spider.

Again, you're not using magic on the Matrix. You're using magic to alter your own body and then interacting with the Matrix, which violates no rules of mechanics or fluff.

>>53147329
I understand once again that it doesn't defy the rules to do so. I'm simply stating that it doesn't make sense.

Now if the attribute bumps you got from being an adept were permanent I'd have no qualms with it. But because they can be turned on and off or be lost with essence loss, to me they're simply sustained spells.

>>53147329
But it's not allowed at his table, so shut up and make a new character or leave Dave.

If you're not Dave, I apologize.

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>>53147428
Read closer. It does make sense via fluff. There is not some concrete wall between magic and tech. Analyze Device is a spell in Core, and it's not the only one that interacts with technology.

And what do sustained spells have to do with proving you right? Both would let you deck better if both increase the relevant skill/attribute. Whether or not it's temporary has absolutely no bearing on the effect.

>>53147088
>>53147196
>>53147329
>Pretending CGL raw is law
>Playing with qualities that have typos because that's raw

>>53135638
The latter. The rest of us have stopped covering for him and so he's constantly salty.

>>53147529
Salty about you guys covering for him?

>>53147503
Yes, there are spells that are designed specifically to interact with technology. But not all spells inherently interact with technology. So if you wanted to get that deep into the rules as they're stated, then I'd simply state that your adept powers would have to be specifically tailored to interact with tech then. Meaning they're useless outside of the matrix essentially.

>>53147529
Good. If he can't play the character, you guys need to let him die. And don't let him make another face.

>>53147590
Am I the only one thinking that if you want to be an asshole GM, you can actually justify someone with a magic'd up brain trying to use a datajack working against the datajack's object resistance in some way?

>>53147590
We already have adepty/magey deckers. They're called Technomancers. Maybe the guy should try one of those instead of working to cheese the system through CGL's fumbled rules.

>>53147628
I'd say there's grounds for it. I'm personally a fan of awakened having sensitive system automatically for being awakened.

>>53147651
That's basically what I've been getting at. That's why I make it so hard to be a mage/Decker because Technomancers exist, but no one uses them because they can't be munchkined as hard as mage/Decker can.

>>53147544
Salty that we're not covering for him and he has to roleplay instead of just rolling his 18+ dice.

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>>53147590
So do you make all your adepts get Mystic Armour (Blades and Clubs) and Mystic Armour (Firearms)? Do they need to buy two different kinds of voice control, one that works on people and one that works on devices? Do mages need two kinds of Detox, one for natural drugs and one for artificial ones?

You're throwing up barricades where none exist because you don't want magic and machine to meet in any way, despite that not making any sense when you think it through. If you don't want adept deckers, say you don't want them because you don't like them; you have no in-universe justification to ban them.

>>53147651
A) I don't want to play this character, I'm someone else
B) Technomancers aren't adepty deckers. Every Time Until You Like it guy, come forth! An adept decker is literally just a decker except he gets his LOG boost from an adept power instead of Cerebral Boosters.
C) This isn't cheesing the system, this is preventing someone from breaking the game because they didn't think out 'magic and tech can never mix'.

>>53147706
Why the fuck did this guy make a face?

I can't stand when munchkins make faces. They're almost always too autismo to actually play it.

>>53147706
Motherfragger should have rolled with a mindcontrol mage if all he wants to do is roll dice and get people to do what he wants.

>>53147755
Whatever, Dave.

>>53147755
It's definitely cheesing the system Anon. There's no other viable reason to be an adept/decker over a techno.

>>53147755
Fuckin Dave.

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>>53147794
You do it because you want to be a decker but want to play one without augments.

You do it because instead of being meatspace/astral capable, or meatspace/matrix capable, you want to try astral/matrix capable.

You do it because you understand there's nothing at all similar between deckers and technomancers, you don't want to fuck around with sprites and Resonance and all that shit which are technomancer things that are not part of decking, because you are not such a drooling retard that you think adept deckers are just better technomancers.

Lots of reasons. But LOG is your dumpstat, so I understand and I'll stop pointing out you're wrong.

>>53147706
>>53147758
Should have stuck to what the autismos are good at. Being pixie mages.

>>53147865
Never let the cheese die! Pixies Decker adepts forever!

>>53147865
Behold, the salty munchkin in his glory.

Dave, I swear to God if you show up with another Adeptrigger or decker you're gonna be kicked from my table and my house. No more homemade tendies and rice crispie treats.

>>53147888
DON'T YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON ME! DAVE'S IN THIS THREAD!

Fucking shit goddamnit. Dave, don't you fucking DARE.

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>>53147892
>implying that you make your own tendies
>implying you make food for your table at all

>>53147865
Okay hotshot. Show me adept/mage deckers and riggers in the fluff. Sourcebooks, novels, whatever. Show me ONE.

I'll wait.

>>53147948
>Pretending Dave didn't shit all over the boards and disappear

Omae come on.

>>53147948
Jake Armitage
It was a dark time

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>>53147948
Well there canonically is ONE shaman that dabbled in decking/decker that Awakened.

>>53147930

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/8849/baked-chicken-nuggets/ It ain't even that hard chummer!

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/218376/marshmallow-corn-chip-treats/ melt a cup of caramel into the marshmallow goo and it elevates it to a whole new level.

YOUR CALL DAVE.
>>53147997
Wait...wasn't he in the SNES game?

>>53148013
>Wait...wasn't he in the SNES game?
yes, also in the Returns game, and IIRC in some SR1 fluff

>>53147948
>>53148013
He was. Also in other things. You can probably also count Leonardo (who made a biological deck, among other things) and that one dragon whose name escapes me. Datajack-ed one.

>>53148063
Celedyr ? The one behind CFD?

Jake is a rare Shaman mix with ranged combat and Decker cyberware, because he had it implanted before discovering his calling as a Dog Shaman, his spirit protector and guide.

Even his description is basically saying "this guys is bullshit, but here he is"
Kek

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>>53146818
>>53146856
>>53147139
>>53147164
>>53147230
>>53147428
>>53147438
>>53147590
This rates pretty highly on the /SRG/ Scale of Daft Fucking Headcannon.

>>53148100
>>53148063
wait no im an idiot
it was another dragon but it was working with Celedyr

Can anyone name a character from cannon that didn't fall ass backwards accidentally into decker/mage?

>>53147794
>There's no other viable reason to be an adept/decker over a techno.
Frankly, if you're the GM, put your game on hold. You don't have a strong enough grasp of the rules to run a game yet.

>>53148178
What reason is there outside of cheesing and optimizing?

>>53148167
Eliohann

Fuck you guys, I'll make my own technomancers! With Blackjack! And Hookers!

>http://www.shadowrun.com/forums/discussion/42995/technomancers-in-5th-edition
Every time until you guys fucking get it

>>53148167
If I'm not misremembering, Frosty was a mage and took on some decking/rigging stuff.

Leonardo, by extreme technicality.

>>53148193
Mostly flavor, since there's only a small number of tricks I can't pull about as well by being a mundane (if expensive) decker.

Alternatively, wanting a bigger deck by cutting down on 'ware prices.

>>53148178
Hey omae, we're not the ones trying to use magic to enhance our brains, and then plugging a magic enhanced brain into the matrix without making any object resistance tests.

>>53148217
We get it. The troublemaker is Dave.

>>53148216
He's also been in a come since the crash. Which makes me wonder more about how basic interacts with the matrix. And makes me believe further that they're not meant to interact.

>>53148258
Coma* magic* not basic. Fuck Android 7

>>53148193
Thinking a techno is a non-cheesed version of an adept decker makes it clear how little you understand either archetype.

>>53148287
Then explain smart guy. Or stop just dismissing it by saying "well you just don't know."

>>53148258
with the dragon is question about implementing the technology with unknown neurosystem.
Second many people died during the crash not just a single individual.

>>53148287
So what's your headcanon that's so much better than Shadowrun's setting then?

>>53148317
He didn't die though, and it specifically states that.

>>53148336
e-ghost
people turn into e-ghost too
listen enough with your headcannon

>>53148312
>>53148329
Have you considered that maybe, just possibly, you should attempt to read and understand the rules before going off half cocked as if you're knowledgeable? Or maybe even reading the technomancer writeup that gets posted here literally every thread?
http://shadowrun.com/forums/discussion/comment/181431/#Comment_181431

>>53148380
Hate to be that guy, but it doesn't say he turned into an e ghost either.

>>53148458
yes he did
that was the whole point of CFD to transfer the e-ghost back into the body of the dragon

>>53148457
Have you considered maybe explaining yourself since the burden of proof rests on you? I don't think anyone in this thread hasn't read the technomancer writeup. It was already posted anyhow, so you're the one whose reading comprehension is suspect.

>>53148457
We understand that they don't play like Decker's. No one is debating that. We're simply stating that there's no reason to play an adept/Decker over a straight up Decker other than to cheese. Using the excuse that you want to use two systems doesn't make sense when there's a blended system for what you want to do already. However poorly written their rules are is inconsequential considering everyone knows you need some form of house ruling to make them (technos) even viable. Because magic blended with matrix is a stupid fucking idea.

>>53148576
I'm not even sure what the cheese is? I mean, sure there's the Artisan's Way's expansion of Centering that's nice, but usually not vital.

And the restrictions on Improved Ability make it nice, but not that great unless you're doing it by switching around Qi Foci, in which case you're eating into that budget pretty quickly.

>>53148683
It's the same cheese that exists with a base adept only you get the added benefit of being a monster in another system as well as being a monster adept.

>>53148566
>I don't think anyone in this thread hasn't read the technomancer writeup.
And yet here you are asserting that a techno is just a less cheesy adept decker. The mind fucking boggles.

This entire argument stemmed from a guy disallowing the +2 bonus for hot sim on a adept/Decker.

>NOT DISALLOWING HIM TO DECK AT ALL, SIMPLY NOT GET THE +2 FROM HOT SIM AND BE FORCED TO DECK IN AR

If you don't think this is about cheesing, you need to read the whole conversation.

>>53148807
>Continues to avoid explaining his point

>>53148719
If you're going to be a monster in one area, Adept usually isn't also going to make you a monster in another.

Absent being a grenade thrower, but that's more because of the cheese inherent in being able to throw multiple grenades.

I mean, sure, you could start with IR3, which is going to be better than what the pure decker starts with, but the sacrifices to get the adept hybrid to IR3 means he's probably not also going to be able to afford Reflex Enhances, which can make up for the lower WR.

An Arm of God is probably also out for the hybrid, especially if you were wanting to buy the mental enhancers, and that has plenty of fun things you can do.

Of course, you can put adept power points towards making up for the lack of the super-arm, but that then means that you've got less essence to play with and probably got your Improved Ability locked down, so you're not putting it towards, say, Hacking.

>>53148851
My point is and has clearly been that your understanding of both adept deckers and technomancers is lacking to the point of utter incompetence.

>>53148940
Sure I can see your point. But if you compare the overall cost of being a straight up Decker (karma+nuyen) to being a Decker/adept, there's no contest you go Decker/adept every single time.

>>53149008
>You don't know shit
>You're incompetent
>Still doesn't explain why

Come on omae. You can't keep going "you're dumb cause I say so." And expect people just to let that slide without further explanation.

>>53149011
Sprinkle in prototype trans and way of the burnout and you got yourself a cheeseburger in Paradise.

>not making a mystic adept/Decker/rigger and doing runs on your own because you're that OP

Do you even cheese?

>>53149011
I'd say that it's not quite that simple. The adept's going to have a lot of karma in the same places unless they're going to use their adept powers to get to parity instead of boosting in one place.

Especially since the adept's going to want to eventually get metamagics, and those are hefty thwacks of karma.

And the deck upgrades are likely to cost around the same, unless the adept was actually focusing on being a face. But then that makes for yet another compromise on where your PP goes, and makes it even less likely to afford it all, even if you use Foci.

And if you took a Way, then that's less karma on hacking related qualities or (if the GM's not nice enough to take freelancer word as intent) a lot of karma for a relatively small trick and a pittance of PP.

>>53149181
All you really would need to spend money on is the deck as an adept/decker. Maybe a foci or two. That's about it. You don't even need a gun technically as an adept and you can get your decking attributes up high enough that you don't really need that much dedicated to actually being a Decker other than a few skills.

If you wanna be world's most Ace Decker ever, than yeah, being a straight up Decker is better. But if you want to have decking as an after thought that you can throw a shit ton of dice at while still being the main or co-main damage dealer, then you go adept. That being said you can get dice pools high enough as an adept/Decker that being a straight up Decker would only get you sightly better dice pools and make you much much much less useful in combat. Short of an arm of God, and even then you don't have the initiative that adepts do.

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get a question about rigger, can you have a Drone that looks Humanoid.

>>53149690
Yeah. Anthropomorphic drones homes. And get realistic features on it. Depending on how much money you'rewilling to dump, it can get pretty damn close to the real thing.

If you just want a drone that is humanoid then don't even bother with realistic features.

>>53149402
If you want to be an unarmed adept, what are you giving up to not be human? (Or perhaps what are you cutting to get things that boost you from 6S damage, which is the absolute minimum you need but even that is probably eating lots of your points.)

And if going for improvised weapons instead, what are you doing to make up for the horrible limits?

And what's getting cut to afford the boosts to your mentals? If it's 'ware, then are you still in that same point of essence, or not. If drugs, how's your resistance pools.

And if you're talking about the matrix attributes, then, again, it's basically the same expenditures as the decker's making.

>>53149048
Did I miss you reading the techno post and then retracting your assertion that an adept decker is just a cheese version of a technomancer? Because that's the contention here, and it's been clear as day since minute one. Or are you insisting I read it and post it here, itemized, to spare you the apparently monumental task of reading and understanding?

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>>53149743
thanks. I just started getting into rigger and what to make a Humanoid Drone with a shotgun

>>53147888
Why would pixie adept deckers be cheese? Optimizing for pixies results in a stealthy mage build that takes advantage of their innate invisibility.

>>53148193
What reason is there outside of cheesing and optimizing to play anything? Because one wants to. What more reason does one need?

Quick question, is anything going on in Milwaukee in shadowrun? I know its just north of Chicago and my players are curious about thd cities around bugzone.

>>53150000
>Quads

Wizard confirmed

>>53135378
Hey how did you implement the requirement for Skinwalker? I tried with Zoology Knowledge Skill but that didnt work

>>53147997
>>53148005
Jake Armitage is based on Samuel Verner afaik.

>>53150160
Curses, I've been discovered! *activates pixie invisibility*

>>53150153
Going by the Shadowhelix:
Big D's Will has an entry that says that there should be a school for children of all metatypes to give education to underprivileged (meta-)human children to "foster peace between the races"
It contains the UofW-Milwaukee
It has a professional Baseball team "Milwaukee Bucks"
Lone Star has the security contract for it and has a "Lone Star Academy". When the Star still controlled Seattle it exchanged personnel between Milwaukee and Seattle when needed
It's controlled by the McCaskills (mafia)
It also has a chapter of the Ancients

Sources: Feral Cities (4e), SWA(4e), Portfolio of a Dragon (2e), Target: Smuggler Havens (2e), Target: UCAS (2e), Underworld Sourcebook (2e)

>>53148131
Eliohann. 'Magic Decker' guy mentioned him already, but of course that was ignored by people who already made up their minds about how their headcanon is true.

>>53148229
>cutting ware prices

Sure, but that's balanced out by the price of going adept (though you could maybe go human and a low priority magic if you just want magedecking). I'd need to mathhammer it to see, but I'm pretty sure it isn't worth the better deck.

>>53148807
>If I avoid explaining my point long enough, they'll let me win the argument!

Elaborate or fuck off chummer.

>>53148258
He was in a coma because his mind was in the Stock Exchange when Crash 2.0 hit. Lots of people went braindead, some ended up as e-ghosts, Celedyr assumed Elio was the latter and tried to bring him back, thus CFD. I don't know if they ever confirmed Elio was an e-ghost and just got mixed up with Deus, or whether he was totally gone and the thing that escaped in Boston is entirely non-draconic in mind.

6E wish list time?

Mine is
>Go back to 2050s, pre 20 tons of bullshit
>Unfuck the cluster fuck the system has become
>Some semblance of Fucking balance
>Maybe an editor
>Splat books that aren't just mission modules
>CGL not creating it

Anybody else?

>>53148825
No, the guy said "adept deckers shouldn't use hotsim, even AR is questionable, I ban them."

If he wants to ban because he's afraid of cheese, that's one thing, but he asserted that adepts using AR is against canon, which is pantsonhead.

>>53150969
Uhhh not the guy, but no he didn't.

He said that he banned them from using their magical attributes in hot sim, but they could translates to AR decking perfectly fine.

>>53150894
>I've been given a detailed breakdown of the difference between deckers and technomancers, and if I read the books I could know that adepts can only be declers and never technomancers
>if I refuse to read it, I win!

Educate yourself or fuck off, slot

>>53151068
Oh can the bullshit. The question was never about deckers and technomancers. Nice goalpost shifting omae.

>>53151068
Who said an adept wanted to be a Technomancer?

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>>53151008
>It would also be up to debate which magic actually even helps in AR too.

>>53151068
Dave, man. You're just an embarrassment at this point. If you need extra time to come up with a new character, I can work you in later in the campaign.

But I swear if you show up with another adept decker or rigger you are out permanently.

>>53151094
It was perhaps poorly worded. Just wanted to drive home that the things that technomancers can do (Resonance Realms, Sprites, techno-only techniques) are entirely beyond adept deckers, and any decker. It's two entirely different things, there's literally no connection between what an adept decker does and what a techno does.

>>53151115
>Tumblrposting
Dayum. I mean, I get adepts being useful in AR decking, but using datajacks with magical enhancements is what's up for debate.

There's no rules against it, but also no rules supporting it. Or if there are, you're going out of your way to NOT reference them and just look like a drek-head.

It's time to put up some page numbers and references or shut the fuck up already.

>>53151115
>I wasn't insinuating that, I apologise for the vagueness. I'll dig deeper into my thought process.

>As an adept I would allow you to have adept affected attributes if you were to hack in AR. However, if you wanted to jump in and hotsim you go off your attribute without the magical assistance.

>It would also be up to debate which magic actually even helps in AR too.

There's the whole post Omae so you can reread it. Note he specifically states "As an adept I would allow you to have adept affected attributes if you were to hack in AR" which would lead me to believe the next sentence isn't referencing him nerfing the attributes of an adept decking in AR, simply that other adept abilities depending on their function, may not interact with ar.

>>53148107
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE MILLION-DOLLAR PIXIE BOUNTIES THAT DEFINITELY EXIST

>>53151190
>Rarest creature in 6th world
>Disappears when it dies

No one wants money for that!

>>53151190
Wasn't Million Dollar Pixie some old flatvid with Clint Eastwest or something?

>>53151188
He broadens it out to 'magic is questionable', which to me read that he would allow attribute boosts only but thinks it questionable to allow anything at all. I can see the other reading of it.

>>53151242
Strawman argument.

>>53151297
Show you the raw or it doesn't exist right?

>>53151306
Don't argue your headcanon as though it's fact. Pretty simple.

>>53151347
Got it. No one's allowed to infer anything.

>>53151360
Not if you're that bad at it, no.

Guys, all of you should just go and get yourself some nice Used MBW3.
And all you Essence drinkers like vampires should get yourselves some Used Muscle Replacement 4 and Used Titanium Bone Lacing on top of that

>>53151188
>>53151288
I am the guy and I definitely don't disallow AR decking for adepts. I just don't allow hot sim. The last sentence was simply me saying, that there's potentially other adept powers I wouldn't allow to affect the AR. But that would be a case by case thing.

>>53151425
Let 'em do it man. Just make them pass a test vs. the device resistance of their datajack each time they wanna jump in.

>>53151425
That basically just places a tax on all adept deckers where they have to waste half their PP on init boosters, or else they'll be objectively worse than normal deckers.

>>53151466
Not him, but well yeah?
Decking for deckers, Adept stuff for adepts

>>53151466
That's the point.

>>53151466
How horrible that your special snowflake cheese build is penalized so that you're not outperforming dedicated deckers at decking.

Truly terrible.

>>53151396
>Bounties exist for rather common creatures
>One of the Rarest creatures in the game, no way it has a bounty
Wut

>>53151542
It probably does chummer, but for some autists it has to be spelled out explicitly. Like that one unfortunate soul who seriously suggested using the core addiction rules.

Good luck collecting a bounty on a dead pixie though. Gonna have to take them alive chummer.

>>53151595
>Gonna have to take them alive chummer.
that's what CCTV and Neurostun is for

>>53151595
I get that you'd have to take them alive, I'm just marveling at the fact that someone considers it so preposterous for pixies to have bounties.

>>53151633
The point is less about the believability of the idea than it is poking fun at the hilarious aggressiveness with which headcanon is pushed in order to punish a player option they dislike.

>>53151722
We get it man, if it's not raw you don't want anything to do with it.

>>53151736
Not that guy but no, the problem is your headcannon is punitive garbage that lacks verisimilitude.

>>53151482
Adepts don't have "adept stuff". They just do other stuff such as face stuff, sammy stuff, or decker stuff, but with magic instead of ware.
>>53151496
>trying to make anything out of the ordinary is cheese
I assume you think pixie riggers and naga faces are cheese too?
>>53151736
Not him but
A: pixies have been stated to interact with society in fluff without being hunted. Some countries and corps even give them SINs.
B: If a player is trying to play something you don't want, just say "no pixies." Don't let them create a character and then go "neurostun falls, the pixie is taken away and vivisected."

>>53151876
How does it not follow that if much more common Metas have bounties, that it would also extend to much rarer Metas?

>>53151897
>If I strawman hard enough...!
Never said anything out of the ordinary was cheese, but abusing the rules to be better at a role than the dedicated archetype? Yeah, that's pure limburger.

Eat your (You) and be happy.

>>53151945
>abusing the rules to be better at a role than the dedicated archetype?
Being an adept <foo> is a dedicated archetype. An adept gunslinger is dedicated to shooting people. An adept face is dedicated to facing. And yes, an adept decker is dedicated to decking.

>>53151969
Then what's the problem with implementing the rule that makes adept deckers be adept deckers?

>>53151897
>A: pixies have been stated to interact with society in fluff without being hunted. Some countries and corps even give them SINs

The UCAS (the country with the fucking bounty on Metas) doesn't offer them SINS. So why would they not offer a bounty in them?

>B: If a player is trying to play something you don't want, just say "no pixies." Don't let them create a character and then go "neurostun falls, the pixie is taken away and vivisected."

I don't ban them. I just simply let the entire party know the value of one of their co-workers. What they decide to do with that info is up to them.

>>53152007
The rule doesn't make adept deckers adept deckers, it makes adept deckers worse deckers
>>53152056
>The UCAS (the country with the fucking bounty on Metas)
No, they have bounties on infected, cuz they're a public health issue.
>>53152056
>I don't ban them. I just simply let the entire party know the value of one of their co-workers. What they decide to do with that info is up to them.
So you don't even have the balls to go neurostun falls and instead try to start pvp. Yeah, that's a great way to get the players all pissed with each other. You do realize the advice Paranoia gives you on GMing isn't supposed to be applied to lesser, non-computer approved games, right?

>>53152220
Why the hell did I quote your tweet twice?

>>53152220
>No, they have bounties on infected, cuz they're a public health issue.

Certain Metas do too. It's in running wild iirc.

I don't promote PvP and I strongly suggest against it. I just like for my runners to know the score when the game starts and that one of their comrades can potentially be a huge liability

>>53152237
>Tweet

I think you may be lost.

>>53152277
>it's in running wild
So it is.
>I don't promote PvP and I strongly suggest against it.
If you say to the players "By the way, if you sell <player name> to the azzies you get a million bucks", you're encouraging PVP. Giving players rewards for doing shitty things to each other is literally Paranoia 101.

>>53152511
I... I can't disagree.

>>53152572
I don't preface it that way, and I do that intentionally. I simply let them know the rarity of the thing they're running with (if they find out what it is) and that they have a bounty as do several over Metas. Now if a player chooses to roll to figure out more, there's only so much I can do as a GM without railroading.

Also I should note that if a player decided to do this, I'd let him know before hand that this will be an amount of money your runner will retire on. Do be prepared to create another character as well for turning him in.

>>53151542
Strawman.

>>53151542
A bounty? Sure. Bounties are 25,000 nuyen as a negative quality. 1M nuyen bounties are fanfiction.

>>53152786
Where's this coming from?

>>53152773
Your only argument is that it's not in the books.

>>53152769
Seriously, stop pretending you aren't encouraging PVP. That is the direct result of what you are doing. Dressing it up and pretending you aren't going full paranoia doesn't change it.

>>53152866
not him, but if you are told that your chosen character might fetch a nice sum of money and you STILL want to play it then you are either naive as hell, trusting the other players that they won't sell it or are wanting PvP

>>53152912
Or you just outright think the other players are dumb.

>>53152912
>>53152955
No, I think the GM is being a passive aggressive little bitch, because remember, a bounty on pixies isn't mentioned in the books. The only reason to add such a bounty is if you think pixies are badwrongfun, but don't have the balls to just ban them.
Like, seriously. Just say "no". It's not that hard. Don't leave your players in that disgusting halfway zone where they can play a thing, but you'll consistently fuck them over for it.

>>53152848
>Where's this coming from?
Run Faster, p159: Wanted

Still, it's "at least 25,000 nuyen".

>>53153056
>isn't mentioned in the books

At least you finally said your only legitimate beef with it.

>>53153129
I meant the one million nuyen thing.

>>53152866
Oh my God! He's just realizing the 6th world is a cyberpunk DYSTOPIA!

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>>53132589
Who does your team consist of?
>Chain smoking no-nonsense middle-aged Englishwoman Mage who used to run for corporate security. She's been out of the game for over a decade, but she still looks good enough in a power skirt to play the face. Complains about blood pressure constantly.
>Hyperactive antisocial dreadlocked hacktivist Elf decker from the Cali Free State who bleeds soykaf and never sleeps more than an hour at a time. Dresses exclusively in flannel and denim, hoverboards everywhere and uses 'man / dude' as punctuation.
>Thai Ork adept, martial artist and spiritualist. Hobbies include being aloof, bumper sticker philosophy and Pilates. Makes yoga pants look good. Produced a small series of get fit trideos. Thinks he's getting somewhere with the Englishwoman, but it's never gonna happen..
>Softly spoken Troll Rigger / driver from Québec with a penchant for heavy metal and strapping guns to everything. Spends most of his time doing *something* to the teams van when he isn't watching Urban Brawl. Die hard Seattle Screamers fan.

>>53153139
No, my beef is that it is a passive aggressive way of saying "no, you can't play that." I'd be upset if it was canon too. Even more upset, in fact, as it'd be really stupid of CGL to provide rules for playable pixies and then punish players for using them.

>>53153194
What does it being a dystopia have anything to do with encouraging PVP? Games with character creation this long and combat this lethal are not intended for PVP. The end result will be either one to two players being incredibly pissy that they get left out of the session, or everyone getting pissy that the session has to be put on hold while one to two players roll up new characters.

>>53153771
I dunno chummer, maybe it's that not all Shadowrunners are dogooder hooders, some are just trying to get ahead in a crapsack world and you can't climb out of the gutters without getting your hands a little bloody.

Maybe it's the fucking overarching theme of how much of your humanity you're willing to give up to get ahead?

Think a bit on it, and maybe try to make a character that won't cause PvP just by fucking existing?

>>53154257
>maybe try to make a character that won't cause PvP just by fucking existing?

That is 100% on you being a dick to one of your players instead of just saying "no pixies."

>>53154257
>PvP makes sense in character
I won't disagree there. It would make sense for most shadowrun groups to turn into paranoia groups by the third session. But they don't, because that wouldn't be much fun.
>Think a bit on it, and maybe try to make a character that won't cause PvP just by fucking existing?
If you're setting up the game so that playing a pixie causes PvP, then say no pixies. It's not that hard.

>>53153169
Someone's flustered arsehole.

>>53151633
It is kinda strange, though. Who is making these bounties? France, Ukraine, and Tir na nOg recognize pixies. There are no native pixie populations elsewhere in the Sixth World.

Are legislatures passing laws to hunt one of the most rare metavariants out there, just in case one happens to cross an ocean to get there? There's not really a good reason to go to the trouble - they're not an invasive species, nor are they known for causing trouble or even for going outside of their forests.

>>53154257
If you decide to turn on a party member for no reason other than a bounty (that does not by RAW actually exist) that's on you and the GM who offered it, it's not the fault of the pixie player. It's what my character would do is a valid thing to say, but you've still made that choice.

>>53154257
Other anon has a point.

If a thing exists within setting and is given as an equally viable PC option, but the way you're interpreting the world gives it no room to exist, then you have failed the sniff test and need to reconsider how overbearing you're being and what offsets the bullshit on both sides of the fence.

>>53154446
Literally any corp magician at any level could offer a significant bounty and turn a profit in research.

>>53154446
That's not true that there are no native pixies elswhere, can appear anywhere that there's enough wilderness and enough mana, those are just the largest population centres.

>>53154446
I feel like enough people play pixies in SR to really throw off the demographics regarding how many of them are violent criminals.

>>53154490
>If a thing exists within setting and is given as an equally viable PC option
Well that's the central contention, isn't it? CGL snowflaked pixies so hard that they're arguably not viable. Nevermind the busted stat line.

>>53154520
Not literally any, but I see the point. I think we need to clarify if we're talking a real, public, established bounty, set up and sponsored by an institution able to enforce it, or a private citizen putting up cash for personal gain. The latter certainly, but I don't know if (for example) UO is going to put out hunting and game laws for pixies; there's little chance of massive gain compared to the odds of getting nothing, and some negative press.

>>53154520
If you could preserve a body post-mortem sure.Otherwise, I've got to think by now the corps have learned all they can through simple capture interrogation and vivissection by now. Unless you've got something specific in mind I doubt you can just drop a pixie in at your local Renraku branch and collect the cheque, especially as unlike Drakes, pixies don't come with the wanted quality unless they take it.

>>53154652
How are they snowflaked. Seriously asking - afaik they get one brief writeup in RF, and there are no canon pixie NPCs, or even characters in their short fiction (even centaurs have better press).

The mechanics are broken, but in fluff they are a nonfactor.

>>53150583
Thanks for the info, Omae. Ive already started building a run for the Art mueseum out there.

>>53154652
How are they snowflakey? There's no fluff on them at all other than "They exist, and they dissapear when killed." Hell, I played a pixie in a game recently and one of the funnier issues we had was that I, and thus my character, knew nothing about pixies other than the 1 paragraph writeup in RF.

>>53154682
Runners Companion and Running Wild have them listed as so rare there's no population count. They live in tiny communities in forests with Bronze Age technology and are all magical, but not just regular magic, Fey magic.
Of the rare few that have any interest in metahumanity and choose to seek it out, 2/3s are said to leave back to their homes in under a year. The runners also quip that effective firearms can't be made for them due to size issues. Not just firearms though, "their delicate physiology and small size make them generally ill-suited to life in modern urban environments."

Why make that a playable race?

>>53154978
>Why make that a playable race?
Why not? You can literally play a giant snake who has great and terrible arcane power but can't open a door. (no hands)

>>53155147
DESU I don't think the anti-playable-pixie lobby is probably very pro-playable-naga

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What are some good ways to make players avoid highways during a road trip arc? I'm gonna be having my players dismantling a continent-sprawling terrorist network, and I kinda wanna give an American Gods type feel to the whole experience.

"They also possess the innate magical ability to conceal themselves; this seems to be their natural state, as they immediately disappear at the moment of death, which makes postmortem study and taxonomical classifiation of the species a challenge. Unsavory elements have attempted living autopsies, but pixies are tricky and tough catch, and those who claim to have information from such procedures are not necessarily to be trusted." -Run Faster, Page 99, The Mess of Metahumanity, Pixies

This necessitates two things:

>One: Shady people are very interested in "studying" Pixies, meaning they see profit in the activity.
>Two: Pixies must be collected alive.

What happens when shady people want a rare and elusive creature? They pay out their ass for people to collect specimens.

There are not active, literal, official bounties on Pixies, there is just the undeniable assertion that there are parties who would pay big money just to have a live mundane Pixie in a cage. An Awakened Pixie might actually be worth more as a mageslave, unless someone's very desperate to discover the potential alchemical properties of an Awakened Pixie's wings and spleen.

To clarify: There is no explicit canon regarding bounties on Pixies, but there are implications and allusions toward the possibility that Pixies will be blackbagged and dissected for profit. This is probably not an active looming threat that the international Pixie population has to be constantly wary of, but it absolutely happens.

So maybe your Pixie teammate is worth more to you in Nuyen form. You still have to find a buyer. You're not going to be automatically guaranteed money, and you've probably never seen the offers that people make on the little winged fucks.

>>53155560
Fuuuuuurthermore, since it was mentioned earlier:

"France is the only nation that issues permanent SINs to pixies; the governments of Tír Tairngire, the United Kingdom, Tír na nÓg, and the UCAS issue criminal SINs to pixies convicted of a crime. NeoNET and Evo are the only megacorporations with pixie corporate citizens." -Same citation as the last quote, because I'm a lazy cunt

>>53154490
Uhhh...what?

Oh. Put it this way. Already said no pixies, but you guys are doing a damned good job of being That Guy who won't listen and keep arguing.

>>53155625
All that means is that if a pixie wants to have the Sinner negative quality, they need to have a silly french accent.

>>53155315
It is my understanding that there are significant stretches of highway outside the sprawls that are just a few levels above Mad Max.

If it's not crazy go-gangs, heavily armed nomads, or corp/government military convoys, it can be paracritters. Have a juggernaut burrow through the asphalt at some point if you wanna send them offroad.

>>53155633
If you have a problem player, kick them out of the game. It's not that complex. Don't be passive aggressive, that ends with no-one being happy.

>>53155315
They can't afford the tolls.

CHiPs is looking for them, or someone else with access to the surveillance network.

Due to increased gogang activity, patrols have drastivally increased on major routes, and the players don't want to run a thousand checkpoints between here and Des Moines.

The question is, what happens that makes them not use superhighways, but doesn't make them take a flight?

>>53155670
Believe me, if Dave shows up with a pixie adept decker because of you assholes tonight he's going out on his ass.

>>53155695
>The question is, what happens that makes them not use superhighways, but doesn't make them take a flight?

The goddamn TSA. Can't take your gear on a commercial flight chummer. Not even in checked baggage. And that's assuming you can afford the surcharges for extra luggage.

>>53155633
>Already said no pixies,
No you didn't, you said that you'd allow it but tell the players that there's a non-existent bounty on pixies and wait for the inevitable PvP rather than simply ban them. Note that if you're not the guys that said that I apologize.

>>53155749
Coyotes exist, omae. A T-bird can cover half the country under the radar in a matter of hours.

>>53155794
That was after I said I wouldn't allow it in a previous post, but people keep arguing why. So I started explaining why and what was likely to fucking happen and people start jumping on me for being 'passive aggressive'.

Yeah, offering an explanation is somehow passive aggressive these days. Fucking 4chan has thinner skin than Tumblr.
>>53155844
>Cross country in a T-Bird.
>Under the Radar
>Over the Great Plains and Midwest where there's no goddamn terrain features to get 'below' radar in.

It's okay omae, most Americans don't even know the geography of their own country.

>>53155881
>doesn't know that 'under the radar' is a common metaphor for being undetected

It's ok, omae, most channers don't even know the figures of speech of their own language

>>53155969
yes, but in this case it also refers to something literal you do if you don't want people to know where your plane is.