Yugioh thread

>>53124231
I think it's complicated, but awesome. Magic never gets dinosaurs these days.

>>53124617
>summon this
>battle phase
>opponent quits
nope

>>53124231
As a MTG player, play a better game. These are my thoughts to be honest. Most Yugioh matches are decided in the first 2 turns from what I've seen, and ragequit matches aren't fun.

>>53124231
so its like
>as an additional cost to play ~, exile 2 dinosaurs from your graveyard
>during your main phase before you attack, sacrifice a creature or discard a creature card from your hand, morph all of your opponents creatures. (not really the same thing but whatever).
>when ~ attacks, instead you may destroy any number of morphed creatures target opponent controls, for each monster destroyed this way, do 1000 (which is like 1/8th of your life, so i guess 3 if we round up) damage to that opponent.
and 3500/3200 is like what? 9/8? if we just make it proportional to 8000 vs 20.
does it get to attack after it destroys your monsters? because then it can one hit you right. in magic its more deadly in a way because its possible to have more than 5 creatures (obviously).
but yeah its pretty cool. wipes your board, beefy as shit, only comes out when you have some men down.

>>53124873
>only comes out when you have some men down.
Iirc, most OP dinos are like that.

>>53124231
Man I always hate seeing the new cards on the edge of a new mechanic (links) because they always exist to push out everything else. Evilswarms did it to synchros and shaddolls did it to XYZs, this guy is obviously the "hey run links and you won't lose to this deck" build.

>>53124873
>As an additional cost
It's instead of paying its mana cost mate.
It's fucking broken.

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>>53124231
[laughs in Dracoslayer]

Seems pretty cool. Bought an old dinosaur structure deck a while back, will probably end up buying this as well and making a deck out of the two. I really wish mtg got dinosaurs

>>53124231
I searched mtg in the catalogue and this thread showed up, so to answer your question: I have no fucking clue. There are way too many words on that card and I don't know how to play yugio anyway

I used to love ygo but I guess I quit playing when most worthwhile cards started becoming inherent toolboxes. A toolbox is supposed to be a collection of cards, not the card itself. As a result games become boring because cards are too OP and players just do the same combos over and over.

>>53124870
>Most Yugioh matches are decided in the first 2 turns
Most matches are decided on opening hands.

>>53132276
Ash Blossom ban when? Zoodiac ban when?

So are people playing this with Ojama Trio and Zero Gravity or is that too slow somehow

>>53133626
None of those. It's better to use it on your opponent's turn to disrupt their plays.

>>53133626
Both those cards are way too shit.

>>53125376
fuck I thought that was a helmet but that's actually his face
peace a cute, A CUTE

My wife has been running dinos forgot about 4 years now. Just picked up this deck for her but we haven't tried it out yet.

Anyone rate my alien deck? Main play is bring out golgar, bounce swords of revealing light then replay in MP2. It's pretty fun.

20
3x Alien Ammonite
2x Alien Dog
2x Alien Grey
1x Alien Hunter
2x Alien Kid
1x Alien Mars
1x Alien Overlord
2x Alien Shocktrooper
1x Alien Skull
2x Alien Telepath
3x Alien Warrior

12
2x "A" Cell Breeding Device
1x "A" Cell Incubator
1x "A" Cell Scatter Burst
1x Code A Ancient Ruins
1x Mysterious Triangle
2x Mystical Space Typhoon
1x Otherworld - The "A" Zone
1x Solidarity
2x Swords of Revealing Light

8
1x Alien Brain
2x Cell Explosion Virus
1x Compulsory Evacuation Device
1x Crop Circles
1x Fiendish Chain
1x Light of Intervention
1x Planet Pollutant Virus

7
3x Cosmic Fortress Gol'gar
3x King of the Feral Imps

>>53124231
>dinos finally get something good
>years and years of dino support is not surfacing because there's actually a use for them now

>>53124231
>Such a huge text in such a small textbox in such a small piece of cardboard.

I never got why YGO didn't start using keywords to save space. Cards like this look ridiculous.

>>53134745
They do have a few keywords. it's just mostly saved for mill which in yugioh is excavate.

If i'd had to guess a reason why they don't do it more often though i'd probably say that it's because all the cards are translated from japanese and Konami america probably doesn't have permission to keyword it up. Possibly on the grounds that it could cause rules conflicts based on the wording further down the line. Like how all the frog cards have to specifically exclude Frog the Jam.

>>53136021
don't forget the "archfiend" nonsense

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>>53124231
It reminds me of this card.

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>>53124231
And this card.

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What are Yugioh players thoughts on Griselbrand?

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>>53137553
Hes not the best Demon

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>>53124231
I wish the Yugioh meta wasn't so fast nowadays. Like, a few years ago around right before Nekroz and after Towers was banned it was actually a game where people could go back and forth. Honestly, I still love playing the game casually with fun decks but I wish playing it competitively wasn't such a luck of the draw thing.

Makes me continue to wonder why anyone would ever play Yu-Gi-Oh?

>power creep to the point that turn 1 combo decks and turn 2 aggro decks are the meta
>Konami's batshit reprint policy means cards can go from $70+ to bin trash literally overnight
>community is so notoriously toxic even the spergs who play Magic think they're a fucking joke

Like, what is the appeal? Surely there are better ways to ogle anime tiddy.

>>53137648
It was really fun before TurboDAD.

>>53124231
how's it affecting the competitive meta? I only play card games casually but I've played MTG Pokemon and yugioh all at a competitive level before.

>>53137768
It's ran at 1/2 in True King Dinosaur, which is like low Tier 1.

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>>53137553
>>53137614
I wish I could user either as a commander, especially Withengar. Ormendahl would be fun too
this guys probably the most badass yugioh mosnter I've ever seen, but he's nearly impossible to get into play

>>53137856
It's not that hard to summon. King of the Swamp searches Polymerization and can be used instead of 1 Crimson Nova. You can easily get Karma in grave to search Crimson Nova.

>>53137908
Maybe Elemental Hero Prisma could help with that too.

>>53137614
Withengar doesn't draw cards senpai.

>>53124231
>haven't played in forever
>look up banlist
They fucking banned Stratos? Why? Big City was my jam.

>>53137987
Stratos has been banned since September 2013 because fuck HEROes.

>>53138031
>fuck HEROes
Is this popular opinion too or just Konami neutering old archetypes?

>>53138144
I just hate Elemental HEROes. The deck is just Turbo into Dark Law, summon Bahamut Shark and Toadally Awesome, set backrow and hope your opponent can't break your field. Loses if your field gets broken and has no way to recover outside of drawing AHL or Bubbleman while having no hand or field.

Most people want Stratos unbanned for some reason.

>>53138258
I just like my slow pseudo-gadgets Stratos + Ocean + Wildheart + Skyscraper 2 + 1-for-1's.
Blasting fuse was super-secret tech.

>>53137648
It's really fun if you play shitty fluff decks with a group of close friends

>>53138317
>shitty fluff decks
Fuck you, Fluffals aren't shitty. They won a 192 man tournament in OCG.

>>53124873
From a practical perspective its also more like Tap all creatures as opposed to morphing creatures.

>>53137615
Towers unban when? It only got banned because there weren't any outs back then. Rank 4 had to go into Diamond Crab King to crash with Towers. Tellarknights had Heroic Champion Excalibur. Most other decks had literally 0 outs. It was even worse for Europe because they didn't get Utopia The Lightning when America did.

But now we have fucking Kaijus and most decks can easily summon a monster to get over Towers. Even shit like Fluffals and Lunalight have outs to Towers.

>>53138350
I mean fluffy decks as opposed to crunchy decks. Like focusing on the theme and story more than winning competitively. I can see how my wording was poor. Sorry.

>>53137648
Better than pokemon at least. Had a ygo event on the same day as mtg prerelease and all the ygo players were pretty chill and watched some of our games while they were waiting between rounds, pokemonfags were a bunch of spergs flipping their shit out anything and loud as hell.

>>53138765
Nah, I know what you meant. Fluff reminded me of Fluffals.

>>53138801
Speaking of fluffy decks, how do people like my hungry burger kitchen?

1x Bacon Saver
1x Battle Steer
1x Charcoal Inpachi
3x Great Angus
3x Hungry Burger
2x Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
2x Mystic Tomato
2x Ritual Raven
1x Sangan
2x Sonic Bird
2x The Bistro Butcher
1x Gold Sarcophagus
3x Hamburger Recipe
2x Mystical Space Typhoon
1x Preparation of Rites
2x Ritual Weapon
2x Magnum Shield
1x Bottomless Trap Hole
2x Call of the Haunted
1x Compulsory Evacuation Device
1x Metal Reflect Slime
1x Nutrient Z
2x Ritual Buster
1x Waboku

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>>53138948

>>53137553
Seems pretty strong, but I don't have a sense of how hard it is to get mana, so that could balancing out. In Yu-Gi-Oh it would be banned so quick just due to the drawing effect.

>>53139360
No one ever pays the actual mana cost of Griselbrand these days. Cheat him in on turn 1 or 2.

>>53138966
How is this at 3 and normal preparation of rites is at 1?

>>53139594
Preparation of Rites is more generic. Got limited because of Nekroz. Currently, there aren't any Rituals that can abuse Pre-Prep.

>>53124231
Just another example of the game's insane power creep and bad choices in design over time.

Otherwise, it's very in flavor for the combat style used by Dinosaurs in that game.

>>53139594
What >>53139642 said. Nekroz are the premiere Rituals (with Gishki shenanigans trailing far off in the distance), but all of their ritual spells do not list Nekroz monsters by name, so they can't use Pre-Prep.

>>53139478
so its just like yu gi oh

>>53133830
Hate to break it to you, actually no I don't. It's a helmet

>>53138258
I thought #FREESTRATOS was just a meme. I didn't think anyone seriously wanted him to come off the list.

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>>53138258
>try to brew omni-heroes
>everything I make just feels like awesome heroes but worse.

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>>53140416
We've been cheating the system since the first set. Reanimator is a pretty ygo feeling deck.

>>53138948
>no bistro butcher
You done goofed

>>53145206
He's there. After sonic bird.

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We need a frenchfry mon

You know, for water decks

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>>53138948
Battle steer is unnecessary

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>>53145338
I thought about putting in mad lobster, but we here at The Hungry Burger™ only use the freshest Great Angus beef from locally sourced Battle Steers. Many of our customers have dietary restrictions and deadly allergies which lobsters may trigger. Sorry for the inconvenience, here's a coupon for a free Nutrient Z shake!

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>>53124231

I mainly play Magic but I like whipping out my Cyber Dragons and quickly trashing some kids at my locals

>>53137553
Broken horseshit no matter the format.

>>53139594
No good cards to use it with, best use you're gonna get out of it is cyber angel herald fuckery.

Would anyone play a 60 card highlander variant?

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>>53124873
>Translated mechanics almost perfectly.
That's honestly pretty cool

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>>53150185

Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned (from your hand) while all monsters in your Graveyard have different names from each other (min. 5), and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. Once per turn, during either player's turn: You can send the top 3 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard; destroy 1 card on the field. All monsters in your Graveyard must have different names from each other (min. 2) to activate and to resolve this effect.

>>53150538
I was thinking a 60 card traditional format highlander leauge, or maybe highlander having its own banlist. It would be a bit slower than normal games and require more creative deck building.

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>>53145776
>battle steer

Why not battle Ox?

>>53150601
>highlander leauge
Warriors only and no resurrection?

>>53151012
Got any bison?

>>53151093
I just thought the increased deck size and single card limitation would encourage diversity within the meta.

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>>53151120

>>53152870
I wish that wasn't pendulum

>>53152945
You can summon it as a normal Mon tho

>>53132652
When Konami can't make a profit off of them anymore, or when the top Worlds decks are nothing but Zoo with Ash Blos- OH WAIT

I really like the new throwback support we're getting
Sea Stealth Attack, Stronghold Whale, and Legendary Fisherman II are fun

>>53154803
Post decklist

>>53154836
I have a few variants but they all have a similar backbone that leads to dumb bricked hands like 2 terraforming 3 field spells, on occasion
This is the most recent one I think, probably the most successful so far. Most common consistency issues are too many Sea Stealth, not enough Field Spell, or the reverse. You can protect both from being destroyed using Sea Stealth itself though. Plus since the battle effect requires level 5 or higher, if you don't have Ocean you're not likely to get anywhere. Another variant I'm meaning to try is a frog engine that actually tribute summons instead of using ALO since it's kind of hit-or-miss compared to the search everything with everything else decks that you can run these days. Mermails are also a contender. It's a fun deck and premise but needs a lot of work.

3 Terrorking Salmon
2 Stronghold Whale
1 The Legendary Fisherman III
3 The Legendary Fisherman II
3 Cyber Shark
3 Depth Shark
1 Gazer Shark
3 Warrior of Atlantis
1 Gameciel the Sea Turtle Kaiju

3 Moray of Greed
2 Twin Twister
2 Terraforming
3 A Legendary Ocean

1 Torrential Tribute
3 Sea Stealth Attack
1 Solemn Warning
3 Solemn Strike
2 Breakthrough Skill
1 Bottomless Trap Hole

Extra has 3 Bahamut Shark, 2 Toadallys, Silent Honor Ark, Abyss Dweller, and some other random garbage that I usually don't use

Deep Sea Diva is pretty much the only tuner I looked at, and has zero synergy with higher level monsters unfortunately

>>53124231
>been playing tag force v recently
>cards like snipe hunter and mst are at 1
>see this shit
Playing it made me forget how crazy things have gotten. TF5 is only 6 years old for fuck's sake.

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>>53156543
>>53124231
Compare/contrast the boss Mon from the dino deck from 10 years ago.

>>53137703

I dunno, Chaos/Goat Control was pretty cancerous before then. There was that nice window when it was axed before DAD, though.

>>53137614
He doubles his attack if someone loses?
Huh?

>>53137648
>can go from $70 to trash overnight
This is a bad thing?

>>53137648
Their reprints are a hell of a lot better than any other TCG unless you're an investor fag. Nobody wants to pay out 70+ dollars for a card that's requires playsets of to play.

>>53157198

He's meant for multiplayer games, although he's garbage in the most popular multiplayer format so I dunno why they designed him like that.

>>53157082
That card also wasn't really playable even 10 years ago.

>>53137648
>>Konami's batshit reprint policy means cards can go from $70+ to bin trash literally overnight
This is the one good thing about yu-gi-oh
Fucking kill yourself I bet you support the reserve list

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Water Dragon Cluster
Water Sea Serpent / Special Summon / Effect
LV10 2800/2600
Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned by a “Bonding” Spell/Trap Card, and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways.
(1) If this card is Special Summoned: You can activate this effect; the ATK of all monsters your opponent currently controls becomes 0, also their effects cannot be activated. These changes last until the end of this turn.
(2) During either player’s turn: You can Tribute this card; Special Summon 2 “Water Dragon” from your hand and/or Deck in Defense Position, ignoring their Summoning conditions.

>>53124231
is the precon one of those "buy 3 and you have a competitive deck" situations? I fucking love dinosaurs. Magic refuses to do them more than one card every 5 years for some reason

>>53124231
Have they given up and started shipping packs with magnifying lenses in them yet?

>>53159983
You'll have a solid deck. You'll need some extra stuff to make it competitive. Mostly 1/2 Evolzar Laggia and 1/2 Evolzar Dolkka. If you really want it to be competitive, you'll need 3 Dragonic Diagram, which is like $100+.

>>53157082
>10 years ago
oh my god

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Tbh I'm fine with the new dino support since I've been a long-time fan of the archetype, but if those True Kings could tone it down a little, that'd be nice. Alas, I'll always have my Deskbots.

>>53146080
I see you too are a man of culture.

>>53137648
>>Konami's batshit reprint policy means cards can go from $70+ to bin trash literally overnight
Kill yourself speculator

>>53159944
Are there any super dope water dragons to abuse? How restrictive are the summoning conditions for this card? Does "tribute" translate to "sacrifice"?

>>53158500
at the very least it has held and probably always will hold the honor of the being the monster with the highedt attack that can be normal summoned

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>>53161182
In his picture is a card that just got revealed. It's support for this thing, which was released like 10 years ago and has never been good. However that new Water Dragon Cluster seems amazing.

>>53161082
>>53159640
Not him, but the problem is that you have to get them when they are $70 if you want to compete, only for that $70 to vanish completely instead of being able to get the money back when you no longer want the card.
I'm all for low card prices, but having a market that crashes the prices isn't good. They should try to keep the prices relatively constant.

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>>53161182
>does "tribute" translate to "sacrifice"
yes
It's my first time seeing that card, but based on the way it's worded it refers to a really old card "Water Dragon". There are likely newer and better reprints of this card in that deck too. Yugioh has a ton of throwbacks to older cards and the many of the last few decks released have had support that tries to make monsters from 10+ years ago viable in the new crazy meta.

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>>53161372
>if you want to compete
>playing kids' card games at a "competitive" level

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What are Yugioh player's thoughs on pic related?

Hexproof: It can't be the target of spells or abilities you opponents control.

Exile: Banish.

Scry: You look at the top card of your library and you can put it at the bottom of your library.

>>53163009
What's the minimum deck size? And how easy is it to exile something?

>>53163090
Minimum in most is 60 cards, and exile availability is depending on what sets are out and in rotation generally pretty easy to do though. 4 max of a same card in a deck.

>>53163009
>>53163090
Its worth noting that spells that destroy ALL of something still hit hexproof because the spell isnt targeting it specifically.

>>53163175
>>53163201
seems pretty awful, but cool I guess.

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>>53124231
>Ultimate Conductor
>Lv10
>Has nothing to do with trains

Get the fuck out.

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>>53163009
>be a sucker for janky alt win-cons
>see this
>at rare

Even I can see this shit is impossible to pull off.

Approach of the Second Sun is the real Exodia, my niggas.

>>53124873
It cannot attack directly after doing this, but yes. It's pretty good.
Because it punishes people that spam aggro weenies. This guy can curbstomp an agressive opponent if you actually manage to tap them out of counters first.

>>53124231
first ban list after Link this thing and the true king will be gone forever.

>>53163363
I find cards like that fun to play. Give me more!

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>>53163363
Is that thing limited?

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>>53163009
Something like this?

YGO forbids having more than 3 cards in the deck with the same name, though, so its effect would need tweaking.

>>53165551
You may run 4. Vintage is the only format in magic with a restricted list.

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>>53165985
Better version

>>53166186
>semi limited
Sasuga konami

>>53124231
It's not the problem card of the deck.
The problem are the baby dinos and Dragonic "+1 billion" Diagram.

>>53138144
HERO always floated on the edge to tier 0.
"fuck HERO" is an absolutely sensible stance to take.

>>53157174
t. i dont know what im talking about

>>53141604
That's because the only non A-HERO deck that is actually good these days (Plasma Turbo) was neutered by Lavalval chain getting hit.
I mean, you can play your Bubble Beat, I guess, but it's basically A-HERO, but much worse.
You can splash Miracles or Parallel worlds, I guess, but you can do that in A-HERO too.

>>53124231
too many words. MTG would have said the same shit in like 2 sentences

>>53166186
It has to have a cannot be targeted clause.

>>53167161
Re-read the last sentence.

>>53166045
Why is it a Xyz? Why not make a Fusion?

>>53167126
It's 3 sentences. Summon condition, 1st effect, 2nd effect.

>>53167724
because fusion is garbage haha

>>53167724
Little things. The Meld mechanic is sort of like Contact Fusion, except it keeps the Materials on the field instead of sending them to the Graveyard. Xyz is the only form of summoning that keeps its materials on the field.

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>>53124231
two-of

but seriously ygo competitive scene sucks and the only format is legacy where the new sets they print have to be relevant in order to sell, thus power creep. Compare new Tyranno to pic related.
This is before even addressing the TCG/OCG split.

>>53167987
The only reason not everyone is playing BLS right now is there not being any decent chaos-enabling archetype.
We're so close to tier 0 Lightsworn again, it might just happen.

>>53132276
>Most matches are decided on opening hands.
Most matches are decided on who goes first

>>53133626
trap cards don't see play unless they don't let your opponent play the game

>>53136021
excavate just means reveal, pot of duality excavates

>>53137553
good thing I start with 8000 life, amirite?
EXODDIAAAA

>>53157237
by the time reprints happen the deck is effectively about to rotate out of standard but isn't as powerful anymore, and less strong than BG was at the end of AER standard


>>53166045
not a fusion/10
really should just be a fusion, doesn't make sense to have an xyz with that eff
zoodiac, amirite?

>>53168014
lolk, keep telling yourself that
koomy just needs to make a good game and stop doing archetype stuff
go back to goats, have decks like dragon rulers and dinos that are tribal and not archetypes or let's just play mtg, even if my opponent always wins the die roll and has Toolcraft into Heart into Thalia into Gideon

>>53132652
>Ash Blossom ban
Ghost Ash is necessary, because it means you don't get violated by 60 card bricks and Diagram at least every few games.

>>53168162
>decks like dragon rulers
Dragon Rulers might technically not be an archetype, but you still didn't run any monsters except Veiler and Glow-up in Dragon Rulers.

Dinos are not the issue with the whole Dino King deck. The problem are the True Dracos and the Dragonic Diagram, which are basically Dragon Rulers 2.0

>>53168230
summer rulers didn't play GUB
september rulers and versions after was the maximum amount of rulers you're allowed to play plus the other good dragons to do things

All four rulers made bad decks good and if they didn't allow you to banish dragons from grave, even if you could still banish dragons from hand, they wouldn't have been a deck together.

>>53168286
Looking back at my deck, I myself did play one.
I also played REDMD and Maxx "C".

>>53168342
was it the eclipse wyvern ladd build that summer?
You're proving my point that rulers used other dragons

>>53168421
>was it the eclipse wyvern ladd build that summer?
Wasn't that just Chaos Dragons with the rulers thrown in?

>>53166186
Yeah, something like that. Would it be broken by YGO standards?

>>53168439
no, that was right before DUEA came out
the build I'm talking about is when LTGY was brand new and people were split on playing a build more like the one hoban won nats with or one similar to the jap who won worlds

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>>53168457
No, it would be complete shit and "targeting" is kind of a wonky concept in Yugioh.

>>53168457
Gold Sarcophagus can banish a copy from your deck, Left Arm Offering banishes your hand to search a spell. If you open any of those and Hedron Alignment, you win. Unless your opponent has Ash Blossom or can get rid of Hedron Alignment.

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Would the Storm Ability be broken in Yugioh?
Basically this card deals 400 damage to target player for each spell you cast before it on the same turn.

>>53168457
>>53168457
no, it's REALLY bad
like, really, really bad
also, a fundamental thing about magic is that you can't get stuff back from exile, your banish zone in ygo is to your graveyard as your graveyard is to your hand

>>53168555
It's a better Magical Explosion.

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>>53168555
>>53168576
It's basically a better Chain Strike.
And Chain Burn is probably the third most degenerate deck in the game of yugioh.

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>>53168555
would be the same as in mtg, either very bad or your win con

>>53168613
>passing your turn to let your opponent interact when you can just win on the first turn with reversal quiz

>>53168735
you can activate during his standby phase
or you can mill it and use that new monster that can banish himself to activate a trap effect from the grave (great idea konami, what do you think people are gonna use this card for?)

>>53168760
they can still interact with it

people back in the day boarded 3x poison of the old man to interact with explosion/tundo/last turn decks

the new monster is the first time i'm hearing about, seems stupid

>>53168760
>>53168828
Junk Collector is like 8 years old.

Also, TCG never.

>>53168735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUzn07nKFZQ
lolok

>>53169036
explosion decks in modern yugioh are just small fish in a big pond along with the rest of the other degenerate decks

>>53169189
My point was that explosion was a real deck at one point, even if briefly, reversal quiz has always been shit
degenerate is just a buzzword like velocity, fun and tournaments with prize money

>>53169245
explosion was a real deck back in 2008 and so was reversal quiz thanks to the cyber valley engine.

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>>53168457
What about this?

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>>53169661
pot of greed level of busted

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>>53169859
Speaking of which...

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>>53169896

>>53124231
It's a little silly that every non-vanilla monster in YGO needs to have "effect" in its type line. It's also a little silly that you have to count balls to see what level a monster is rather than just have it written as a number. I get that bigger numbers are cooler, but having three significant figures seems too compicated for a game aimed at kids. Whatever, I guess it teaches them how to do math.

Regarding this specific card, seems a little wordy and badly translated. Of all the professions I would assign to a giant cybernetic dinosaur who can win any fight and trample over any monster, "conductor" would not be near the top of the list. I don't know if he's conducting a train or an orchestra, but either one is pretty funny to imagine.

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>>53169661
YGO already has a card like that and it's banned.

>>53124231
>Surely there are better ways to ogle anime tiddy.
Shadowverse is aight I guess

>>53138765
>fluffy
>crunchy
Is this real slang???

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How did I do?

>>53170617
...those terms have been around for decades, and have widespread use in every traditional-game-related community that they're applicable to. How on earth have you not heard them before?

>>53170020
This one is draw 2 discard 3, pretty relevant.

>>53170241
He is conducting electricity.

>>53170736
They definitely aren't applicable to mtg.

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>>53170736

>>53170784
Hell, even I can conduct electricity. His mere conductivity does not do justice to the fact that he will shoot lightning and kill you.

>>53171115
Yes, you can conduct electricity, but are you an ULTIMATE conductor? I think not.

>>53137908
>King of the Swamp searches Polymerization and can be used instead of 1 Crimson Nova.
This doesn't actually work.
>"Must be Fusion Summoned with the above Fusion Materials and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways."
This explicitly means that you MUST use three Crimson Nova the Dark Cubic Lord; fusion substitute monsters like King of the Swamp aren't allowed. Elemental HERO Prisma would work, however, as its activated effect lets you treat its actual name as Crimson Nova.

>>53167987

Envoys were a mistake.

>>53168132
>Most matches are decided on who goes first
Most matches are decided by sidedeck contents

>>53172950
Most matches are decided before you even start building your deck.

>>53173281
Matches are decided before you're even born.

>>53173281
You mean by your bank account?

>>53171091
Try
>select and activate one of the following effects:
>*draw 2 cards
>*increase your life points by 4000
>*conduct an extra normal summon this turn
>You can only activate one "Black Lotus" per duel.

>>53124231
I remember when blue eyes was considered a powerful card.
I remember when it was fun to make a deck the way you wanted.

>>53166186
only usable in shitty stall decks

>>53168555
Busted as fuck and would encourage more shitty solitaire decks like exodia.

>>53169661
printed then banned next set

>>53169896
>>53170020
>>53171091
None of these would ever be printed.

>>53173458
Before someone jumps on your ass, I'll cover this. Blue-Eyes was never very good until it got a bunch of powerful support a few years ago. Even early on, cards like Summoned Skull were a lot more reliable.

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>>53173458
You're talking about kitchen table la-la rules mate which is still true.
We are talking about the game being played in a competitive environment which was never how you thought it was even on release.

>>53173479
Sure but it was still useful. Now you can get a 4000 point card on the field with little effort and no fun. I don't know but it just feels like the game lost its magic these days. And the cards all have these boring, unoriginal design.

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>>53171153
This little thing is a superconductor. It has exactly zero electrical resistance. Literally nothing can conduct better than this, even if it's a dinosaur.

>>53173619
It was never useful

>>53173619
What monster are you talking about? Can't think of any 4000 atk monsters that are can be easily summoned without opening specific cards or without Synchro masturbation.

>>53173581
I will admit I've never been into competitive, mostly because it makes the game boring. So how is it? Is it like the pokemon games where the top 5 team/deck are just copies of each other?

>>53173619
You guys show up every yugioh thread and everyone calls you wrong which you ignore then just do it on the next thread.

Just because kiba used blue-eyes and you thought is was cool in the show doesn't mean it was.
Your dark holes were never at 3 either and mst doesn't negate.

Now go bitch on a thread where you actually contributed to the games scene.

>>53173665
Been some time since I've last played but I remember a dragon xyz card that required very little to summon. I can't remember its name, hell it might be a 3000 point card but I remember it having a really broken ability and it being super easy to summon.

>>53173666
That's every card game on a competitive level so yeah, the pros innovate the meta and the masses follow.

>>53173722
Dark Matter Dragon? It's a neat card, but its not really easy to summon. Dragon Rulers had to run shit like Mythic Wood/Water Dragon, Beast King Barbaros, sometimes even Hieratics. It also took a few spaces in the extra deck. Most of the time it required at least 2 cards to summon.

>>53173697
Calm your jets mate, I've just arrived here. Its not my fault you guys get continually arrases by comments like these. I'm just voicing and opinion.

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>>53173666
Depends on what you'd consider copies of each other.
Yes, meta decks are composed of similar archetypes, but what makes a deck truly competitive are the techs you put in.
For example, more people are using Windwitches to make a CW Synchro Dragon that's immune to being destroyed to card effects.
In response, people are running more Monarchs Storm Forth, which lets them tribute an opponent's monster for a tribute summon, which isn't considered destruction.
True Draco has Spells and Traps that activate from the grave, so Cosmic Cyclone is becoming more common, which prevents their graveyard effects.

>>53173722
>dragon
>super easy to summon
>3000 point
Chaos Emperor Dragon?
He's been banned for over a decade now, I think.
Not Xyz, though.

Dragon Rulers?
Also been banned for years.

>>53173773
I don't think it was dark matter, maybe I'm just exaggerating things but I swear I saw that card pop up early in every high level dragon decks.

>>53173825
Number 62: Galaxy-Eyes Prime Photon Dragon?

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>>53173797
>>53173825
Found it, I think.
It doesn't seem that bad now that I look at it I but I swear I kept seeing this thing early summoned everywhere.

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>>53173904
Oh yeah, I have him in my Blue-Eyes deck.
He's alright, but I prefer using Hope Harbinger when I can Xyz for Rank 8.
In my opinion, protection is more important than destruction when you have 3k beatsticks anyway.

>>53138948
10/10 would play against

>>53173797

CED was one of the first cards to BE banned.

Although Black Luster Soldier: Envoy of the Beginning clung on for what felt like a very long time until someone realized letting Chaos and Graceful Charity be in the format was fucking stupid.

>>53175630
He's unlimited in the OCG, because he got errata'd with a weaker effect.

>>53175701
I'm not a fan of banlist erratas. Sangan and Witch would have fine at 3 before links.

>>53173773
>Dragon Rulers had to run shit like Mythic Wood/Water Dragon, Beast King Barbaros, sometimes even Hieratics
And yet Dark Matter Rulers were probably the most broken variant of Dragon Rulers.

>>53170020
a field spell version of Graceful Charity, what a great idea.

>>53173371
MtG already has mechanics equivalent to drawing cards and increasing your LP, which Black Lotus doesn't let you do. It does let you summon creatures more powerful than you could normally, though, which the effect you describe can't do.

>>53173371
so why would you ever use anything but the PoG effect?

>>53179398
This completely useless, when do you ever have six cards in your hand?
You even don't have six cards when you open with this and you're going second.
I mean, you could open this and Desires, but I wouldn't rely on it.

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>>53171091
>>53173477
And here's one of the nerfed versions

>>53179519
1 is outclassed by brilliant and fucking double summon
2 is just bad. level manipulation outside of level eater is such a clunky and terrible mechanic
3 is kinda awful

>>53179570
The effects don't even matter. It's shit because it will either die, or you will lose after waiting 3 turns for it's effect. The fact it gets counters during the standby phase rather than the end phase really doesn't help it.

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>>53179519
>>53179619
I think this is more accurate to how the Suspend mechanic works

>>53179665
it still so ridiculously slow that you don't need to bother for these trash effects
Here's the sort of stuff you'd need to give it for it to viable:
>Choose 5 cards from your deck, your opponent adds one to your hand, send the others to the graveyard
>draw until you have 3 cards in your hand
>your opponent cannot activate card effects this turn

Basically, a spell version of Pot of Taboos with stronger effects than the banned cards it references.
the joke here is that the Painful Choice effect is just Painful Choice

>>53179665
>>53179710
Given that YGO is faster-paced than MtG, I'd just reduce the number of turns you have to wait.

>>53179739
No, the effects are garbage, that's why it's not worth playing.
Just keep the theme of banned cards after a time period and run with it.
The drawback is that you have to wait three turns.

>>53179739
The effects are really quite bad anon. Extra normal summon does not achieve much, changing levels for the cost of a card is awful and the last effect would only be good if you could remove counters as a cost as much as you want during that turn.

>>53179379
>>53173371
You wouldn't, I was just trying to make it more about resource control than the other one.

Probably needs an additional effects like
>*special summon 2 lotus tokens (L1/ dark/plant/0a0d) lotus tokens cannot attack, destroy all lotus tokens on field at the end of turn
And maybe have the whole thing trigger off a die roll

>>53179710
>Choose 5 cards from your deck, your opponent adds one to your hand, send the others to the graveyard
Lol

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>>53180049
It's an actual card.
It's banned because it's extremely busted.
It's one of the best cards in the game that isn't degenerate combo or FTK bullshit or a simple FREE CARD ADVANTAGE effect.

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>>53180049
>>53180070
It was created mainly as support for this guy.

>>53180097
After all the Exodia support and alternate wincons, is pure Exodia (arms + legs) solitaire still the best way to go?

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>>53180097
It's support for these guys.

>>53180129
Yes.
Activate all your cards and hope you don't lose the game is still the only viable Exodia build.

Just ban fucking library already, Konami.
There hasn't been a single deck that used it that wasn't degenerate retarded bullshit.

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>>53180097
>>53180134
No, it's obviously for Noids.

>>53124231
och god the text, wait isnt this a play-win card? Once it's in you can just spam attack and kill the other player if he has any monsters down

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>>53180167
what are you saying, it's clearly BA

>>53180167
>>53180188
The first appearance of Painful Choice was someone in the anime using it to summon Necross.

Complete with Kaiba thinking his opponent was a moron who played it just to show off that he had Exodia in his deck.

>>53180217
The entire point of these shitposts is to show how many near-top tier decks would be even stronger if they had the damn thing.

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>>53180337
Either that or pic related would get emergency banned.

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>>53180337
>foolish burial of belongings
>mill imperial iron wall
>offer your opponent a handshake

>>53180070
>It's an actual card.
>It's banned
Again, lol

>>53180337
Make it only 1 card, so that you're not effectively giving the player infinite mana.

>>53168162
Removing archetypes will only make the game even harder to balance than it already is, the game is already in the state where people rip out archetype specific engines and jam them all in the same deck and coast on pure value and this has been going on for years now.

>>53170538
Not as long as the skeletons inside skeletons versus miko armpits meta is going on.

>>53181856
Miko armpits?

>>53124231
>Destroy one monster in your HAND
wtf if it's in your hand how is it destroyed? They mean discard?
>Set EVERYTHING for free
>Attack everything
>Autodestroy anything in defense mode, that it just did with aforementioned ability
>Do 1k lp damage with that ability too
All for the low price of
>Exile 2 dinosaur from grave (holy shit graveyard is really the second hand )

And the worst part is that it's STILL not too overpowered in YGO

>>53182404
Because it specifies 'destroy', it synergises with cards that like being destroyed, like Babycerasaurus.

>>53182501
Is there even any reason for cards to destroy monsters from hand/field instead of just sending them to the graveyard?
It's fine for Ultimate Tyranno so it can synergize with Babycerasaurus and Petitranodon, but why do the True Kings have to do it too?
True King Dino turboing into turn 1 VFD is disgusting.

>>53182629
Because that's konamis op gimmick right now.

I like the mtg cards that have been converted into yugioh cards that have been posted so far, someone should try the cards from Amonkhet. Those are perfect to convert into yugioh cards, due to the whole egyption theme. Found a whole bunch of yugioh cards that have been converted into mtg cards on deviantart, not so much the other way round yet.

>>53183158
I could give a try. Just need to download something first.

>>53183590
Base atk in yugioh doesn't go over 5000.

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>>53183635
>Base atk in yugioh doesn't go over 5000.

>>53183691
Anime cards don't count.

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>>53183691
Is that a real card or something from the cartoon?

>>53183590
This is really shit, just fold, side those kaijus in for game 2 and 3 and just blow this fucking thing out.

>>53183819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou8qcg33TQU

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Mythic Dragon eat your heart out.

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>>53184471
Nice -4

>>53183869
That was painful to watch.

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>>53184471
It's sillier than that.

>>53184616
See >>53184606

>>53184616
kaiju :^)

Anyone got YuGiOh cards made into Magic cards?

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>>53184606

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>>53184815
Posting superior version

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>>53184753
>>53184847
Something like this?

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Let's try some weirder mechanics

>>53165042
The old L5R had the worst/best Exodia.

Ring victory. It was pretty much "DO EVERY SUBSYSTEM IN THE GAME."

>>53185623
what have you done.
Tier 0 battling boxers

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>>53183158

>>53182629
How do the dinos synergize?

>>53185993
I feel like stuff like Flying shouldn't be included when translating a card. Fairies also fly. A lot of things in Yugioh fly. Yugioh also has a lot of giant monsters that would have Reach.

Also, why tribute? Shouldn't it be "You can discard this card; Draw 1 card."

Shouldn't Enbalm just summon a token? Like "You can banish this card from your Graveyard; Special summon 1 "Oketra's Attendant Token" (Winged Beast-Type/LIGHT/Level 5/ATK 1500/DEF 1500)

>>53187567
Forgot to add
>If this card attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict piercing battle damage to your opponent.
to Writhing Township

>>53137553
Assuming 8 mana is represented by a ridiculous special-summon only effect, 7 life is balanced out to 7000 lifepoints (instead of the more accurate 3400ish), probably insta-ban since Jar of Greed is still banned to my knowledge, and all that does is let you draw ONE measly card, and not even on the turn you set it.

>>53185140
Should be a white card.

>>53170020
Literally Graceful Charity, but you get one every turn. Solitaire decks would love it.

>>53187663
Jar of greed has been at 3 since forever. Only Pot of Greed is b& because it's an instant +1 that goes in every deck and favors the lucky more than any other card.

Jar of greed only sees use in exodia and chain burn anyway

>>53187849
It's supposed to be draw 2, discard 3, not the other way around

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>>53187567

>>53180129
Yes, especially since a few of those support cards let you win if your Exodia pieces are in OTHER places than your hand as well, and it usually has enough free space to include a check or to to other big-name decks.
Plus, a surprising number of decks crumble on their own if you can stall them for a few turns. Exodia decks are also nearly meta-proof, and while rare, getting a goddraw is a magnificent feeling.

>>53185993
When you normal summon from the grave do you have to sacrifice?

Anyway, I like the mishmash of effects this card has, reminds me of early yugioh.

>>53186208
Maybe it should be
>can attack directly unless opponent controls a monster that can attack directly
Or
>if opponent controls a wind monster this monster must select that monster as its target for attack.

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>>53183158
I made a few in a thread ages ago

Not based on a mtg card, but since people are posting mockups, I thought I might post something. It's supposed to be a D.D. like card.
>Light
>Level 4
>Warrior/Effect
>ATK/1600
>DEF/1900
Before damage calculation, when this card battles an opponent's monster: You can banish this card and that monster until your next Standby Phase. During either player's turn: You can banish this card from your field and 1 other card on the field (this is a Quick Effect). You can only activate this effect of "insert card name here" once per turn.

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How'd I do?

>>53189359
Would make a fun addition to Obama trio decks... Would be great in the new Zelda meta

>>53189502
There's a few wording issues, like "for each of those creatures" should be "for each creature sacrificed this way." Also, you don't have to say "sacrifice a creature...that you control." Sacrificing already implies control, and considering the microscopic font size, you really want to cut down on unnecessary wording.

Delteros is a Stellarknight, not a Satellarknight, and there's a typo where you left out "dies" on him.

Triverr should only return nonland permanents on cast, not when he enters the battlefield, considering his cost and how easy it is to simply cheat out/put a creature onto the battlefield in this game. Even then he's arguably a better Cyclonic Rift in the right deck.

Stellarnova is busted with so many other soldier creatures (and token generation) in the game. It should cost at least 1W, and there's no way it would ever be printed at common.

Technically all of the Satellarknights should probably be legendary, given they have proper names, but I won't split hairs over that.

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What are YGO player's thoughts on a card like pic related? (Compared to how YGO is played). Eldrazi would be an archetype. Basically this lets you pick an Eldrazi either from the Banished zone or from the SIDEBOARD.

It's not a strong card for MTG Standards, but i thought i might ask, this thread is really fun.

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>>53190502
>from outside the game
Is that from the MtG equivalent of the Side Deck, or from anywhere, as long as you own that card?
Either way, it wouldn't be that good.
Side deck contents are usually staples (i.e. non-archetype) addressed at whatever you're playing against, like switching in pic related for games 2 and 3 if you're playing against a trap-heavy deck.
If you're going to tag in a card that's part of the archetype you're playing, it raises the question of why you didn't include that in your main deck in the first place.

>>53184606
You know, I enjoyed running Kaiju as their own thing, but I hate them being sided into every deck. I'd almost like to say Konami should rule all these "tribute opponent monster" cards as effects instead of costs, but then it'd be whoever ran bigger beatsticks.

>>53170241
What I don't understand is why spell types do not go in the type line.

>>53190854
This basically applies to its use (or lack thereof) in MTG as well. And that's why CFTBE is a $.10 rare.

>>53171091
Make it something like:
You can special summon one monster from your hand or extra deck, any particular conditions of special summoning are ignored.

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>>53191354
>Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned (from your hand) by Tributing 3 monsters whose original names are "Slifer the Sky Dragon", "Obelisk the Tormentor", and "The Winged Dragon of Ra", and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. This card's Special Summon cannot be negated. The player that Special Summons this card wins the Duel.

>>53191431
As OP it may sound, that's exactly what Black Lotus does.

>>53179398
Looks like a fun meme card, would be ran in competitive for a week then dropped

>>53179665
>On your 3rd standby phase...
well it's shit, could literally say "you win the game" and would still be shit

>>53180461
Your grave is a second deck in yugioh mate, look at Sixth Sense which is also banned.

>>53183590
neat but too beefy on stats and needs some sort of immunity

>>53184616
This is a well designed card. Super rare in japan and secret rare here.

>>53185993
Super strong, there would be some otk gimmicks, needs to say "you can only use the last effect of Oketra's Attendant once per duel"

>>53187955
Cool idea but people would just run the field spell most likely.

>>53188680
Doesn't need the paragraph of text at the bottom.

>>53184616
>xyz
>doesn't require same levels
Way too easy to make.
As it is, it's just an Five-Headed Dragon that's going to be emergency banned.
Sure you can Solemn/Kaiju it, but it's still retardedly strong, not even The Lightning can punch through it.

>>53134007
Alien Hunter, Skull, and Grey all suck. Breeding Device and Incubator also suck. A Zone and Solidarity are inefficient. You need 3 Code A, 3 Mysterious Triangle, and 3 A Cell Recombination Device. Get rid of Cell Explosion, Alien Brain, and Crop Circles, max out on Planet Pollutant and add some Mass Hypnosis and Brainwashing Beam.

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>>53190854
>why you didn't include that in your main deck in the first place
Pic related is part of the first (and only cycle) of cards to feature this type of tutoring effect. Coax is garbo as it begs the very question you asked and is found wanting. There is no benefit to having a selection of eldrazi clogging your sideboard. In the case of Burning Wish, the answer is "I can only run four Infernal Tutor." Beyond that, it allows one access to his or her choice of kill card (like Empty the Warrens or Tendrils of Agony, both featuring the storm mechanic à la >>53168555) as well as sideboard options without burning main deck slots. This comes at the cost of a weaker sideboard as you eat slots for wish targets.

>>53124231
Yugioh started to decline hard when the sep 13 banlist hit. Dragon Rulers started to seal up the coffin. DUEA was the last nail

>>53189502
Triverr is hilariously busted. At the very least make that nonland permanents.

>>53188680

Oh nice you did Tarmogoyf, want that card so badly but its so pricey. Nice work on yugiohfying it.

>>53186208

I agree on the token summoning effect, would make it more like the enbalm effect in mtg, but for the rest I really like what you did with this card.

>>53188680
Considering there's 16 types in YuGiOh vs Magic's 8, I'm willing to bet that Goyf is a bit more busted here?

>>53193804
It's true that there are a lot of card types, but what kind of deck would run all of them?
I'll use True Draco, which is the most common meta deck right now, as an example.
It has:
Effect Monsters
Normal Spells
Quick-Play Spells
Continuous Spells
Field Spells
Continuous Traps
Which gives it 2400/2800, which is respectable for a level 4 that's easily summoned, but can still be surpassed by a lot of things.

For the purpose of fairness, let's try it in the most diverse deck I have, which is D/D/D.
It has:
Effect Monsters
Pendulum Monsters
Normal Spells
Quick-Play Spells
Continuous Spells
Normal Traps
Continuous Traps
Counter Traps
Fusion Monsters
Synchro Monsters
Xyz Monsters
That gives it 4400/4800, which is far more intimidating and even surpasses the Egyptian Gods. If you think about it though, it takes way too much work to prep the graveyard, and The Lightning can still get through it.

It only sounds busted on paper, but it's too impractical.

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>>53192579
Regarding goyf, considering there's no precedent for it in PSCT, I figured if there was ever a time when you'd get a clarifying paragraph, it would be then and there.

>>53194117
Also, something like D/D/D wouldn't waste their normal summon on something like this. A 4400 beater without protection or any other effects is pretty worthless.

>>53191174
That and how retarded pendlum looked when I compared it against every other type of summoning are the main reasons I did not get into yugioh.

>>53194163
It should probably be legendary and the cast requirements should be written as:
>As an additional cost to cast ~, sacrifice three colorless creatures.
If you REALLY don't want it to be cheated into play (which isn't really a big problem, as there are way worse creatures to cheat out nowadays like Eldrazi), I'm afraid there's no rules text or precedent for the proper formatting of "can't be put into play except from your hand by paying its costs," so you'd just have to wing the rules text in that case. Just be warned that there are plenty of cases where this might get tricky depending on how you word it, such as with mechanics like Manifest and the command zone.
In any case, it's really not that great of a card. The prohibitive casting costs and non-gamewinning abilities mean that stuff like Karn or Eldrazi are way, way better colorless spells for tron. If it were legendary, it might see play as a commander, but even that's a stretch.

>>53194163
Towers isnt' even that good in Yugioh. Only got banned because most decks didn't have outs to it. Now we have Kaijus and shit that can easily get over 3000, like Utopia The Lightning.

>>53190502
I mean this would be really busted or really shit, depending on what the archetype actually would do.
For instance if it had access to specific floodgates, you can just search them from your side deck, which is absurd.

>>53124851
What is Emrakul?

>>53194163
But it would just never be printed, yugioh doesn't like to make new mechanics. People say excavate is new but we've had it for literally ever they just put a term to it.

Last new card mechanic we got that wasn't a new color frame card was artifacts. (no they aren't like magic ones either)

>>53196844
Artifacts weren't new, the mechanic just sucked.
Also, people used to set their monsters in Infernities, because they're cheating cunts.

>>53171072
Yes they are. The trick is no one does it because no one bothers with fluff in magic because it is so lacking.

>>53173622
Its a combination of these tyrannos

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Conductor_Tyranno

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimate_Tyranno

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Don Thousand/Monster C
ドン・サウザンド/モンスターC

Card type Monster
Types Effect
ATK / DEF 100000 / 100000

Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned (from your hand) when a "Don Thousand/Monster B" you control is destroyed, and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. This card cannot be destroyed by card effects, also it cannot attack. Your opponent cannot target other monsters for an attack. During your opponent's End Phase, if they did not declare an attack this turn, they lose the Duel.

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>summons card
>opponent leaves

>>53199033
The answer, as always, is to put a Kaiju on it.