Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>53124212
In Rise of the Runelords, when facing Aldern Foxglove.
The GM used the cavern and the ring of climbing the ghast had in a very clever way. The motherfucker moved around like a damn xenomorph.

>>53124212
>What was the most memorable combat you've had?
I once made an aberrant aegis gestalted with fiendbound marauder warder. The result was a fleshy monstrosity with grapples so strong it could pull down anything that didn't have Freedom of movement that was even remotely CR appropriate.

My GM still asks me whenever a game starts how powerful my character is, using the grappler in question as the upper limit of broken.

What do you guys think about Serpents skull game?

51 hours logged makes me wary of a potential bamboozle.

>>53124236
Roryanon's running it, I don't think he can afford to bamboozle.

Anyone ever try a dex based zealot? I'm not sure if I'm going to screw myself over but it feels like it might synergize with sword and board twf prereqs.

>>53124251
>sword and board

oh no..

>>53124236
Serpent Skull is incredible shitty. Is obvious it was done in a hurry except for the first module.
For fuck sake, there is a lost Azlanti city and when the PCs find it is not greekoroman but mayaincaztec which is enough hint of how bad directed the whole thing was for not speak of the damn blatant rip off on Indiana Jones and the Temple if Doom dinner scene with the talking monkeys as hosts.

>>53124251
Sword and Board can be made viable with IT style, but it remains extremely feat-heavy. DESU I'd suggest doing it with a Half-Orc, Half-Elf, or Xeph warlord instead.

>>53124328
>>53124264
I guess I'll just go archery or maybe deadly agility.

>>53124340
trying to TWF with sword and board is dumb

With piercing thunder you can shield/spear easily though.

>>53124351
B-but spears aren't light weapons.

>>53124277
>The lost city

I still remember how hard people raged in the official forums, mainly subscribers.
People pointed out that it wasn't only incoherent setting fluff wise as Azlanti were supposed to be greekoromans but that the whole precolombine thing didn't make any sense since the city was located in the Gwangi Expanse and until date it was stated that brownie land hasn't been yet fully contacted by both Avistan and Garund nations.
The mods when full spastic assburger and began deleting complaining threads without looking if they were started by subscribers and not poorfags which was the first time Paizo did suffered a big economic blow as people canceled almost en mass.

>>53124378
No thanks.

>>53124367
shortspears are

>>53124367
Polearm dancer.

>>53124390
nvm

So, serious question. Is it possible to make a person/creature from scratch? Like I've seen the spell Stone to Flesh and it gets me wondering. What spells, spell like abilities, or items would I need/need to make? What classes can do this?

Wanted to use the word waifu but I'm worried it'll get the thread pruned due to colossal butthurt man children who keep boohooing over anime OP's.

>>53124449
oh lord

DO NOT LEWD THE HAEMONCULOLI

>>53124449
There's bound to be something you can do starting from craft construct and involving a lot of permanency spells.

In light of the lack of pregnancy rules.

>>53124449
Well, you're hardly the first to consider it.
If you don't cast Awaken Construct on your favorite sexbot, then the other option is to create a Haemonculus.
Craft Construct is what you want in both cases.

>>53124457
Hold up. I never said lewd. I haven't been the biggest fan of all these lewd campaigns, but I didn't get into all that shit frenzy and just let them have their fun.

It's more because there is an idea I have for a character my DM said I could get okay'd if I explained how they could be made. Since Pathfinder has no existing PC race or +1 Template (he allows them on occasion) that could make what I want.

>>53124479
Android race.

>>53124378
>Unga Munga Land
>NoElDorado out of nowhere

How is possible Paizo is still in business?

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>>53124483
This look like an Android to you, Anon?

>>53124494
refluff the race

>>53124487
Look within yourself to find the disgust you have for your fellow /pfg/, and then realize that there're those beneath even they. The writhing mass that is PFS exists, perhaps with a hand in the same games you play, and it breaths the delusion that the system itself is a true and holy lord.

>>53124487
Back then you couldn't escape. It was Pathfinder or 4th Edition.
Of course you could go for Chartmaster or GURPS but only the desperate will attempt that.

>>53124477
>>53124478

Wait, don't a lot of constructs have like magic immunities and rules related to mind affecting stuff? Or am I remembering incorrectly?

>>53124542
yes

>>53124523
Still there must be something that makes you realize your money is being spend into crap!
This kind of module/campaign writting is teen fan fiction tier! Is like if you suddenly made a spaceship appear in Jade Regent when you are in the Crown of the World, containing an aberration capable of make perfect simulacra of its victims aand shapechange without much restriction.

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Has anyone gotten a PM yet?

>>53124572
Nope, as always.
It's no surprise, but I'm a little disappointed since Saturday turned out as it did. I really wanted to see what Overlewd might subject me to.

How're the various /pfg/ WotR games holding up? I recently completed book 1 in my home group and it made me curious.

I got a question, is it possible to have 10 or below charisma and still be able to trigger all the important conversation events and all?

One of the problems that I keep having is, sometimes I need to dump Cha in order for my build to work but I always want to get involved personally in the campaign and make all the social links, which I feel becomes super hard when you have jackshit diplomacy and bluffat least. As a result, I feel as if I end up being merely a background character in the party in the campaign

>>53124212
Once, my party was in a tournament, and one of the opponent team's leader is a thinly-veiled cameo of Rance, THAT Rance

It was memorable if only because of how hilarious it is if only because my female teammates proceeded to crit and also maul him to unconciousness after he says his typical stuff

>>53124572
nope

end my life

i handcraft waifus for you day in and day out and this is how you repay me /pfg/?

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>>53124212
Hey /pfg/, this might be a stupid question but is there a way to help lower the cost of expensive spell components?

I'm new to Pathfinder and we just had our first character death in game. I wasn't close enough to save them with breath of life so now I have to use raise dead to bring him back but the 5,000gp cost for the diamond just to cast it is too expensive for me at the moment so the other guy had to make a new character.

To help not make this happen again is there any way to reduce the price of expensive spell components in any way? I know divine focuses can cover negligible components is there something that can be used as an alternative to the 5,000 gp diamond to cast that particular spell or other spells that require expensive material components?

>>53124899
You could possibly have had a cleric as a friend / sucked some cleric's dick, or offered to get something a high-level cleric doesn't has time for done in exchange for raising your friend upon request completion (i.e. sidequest), or gone mining in an abandoned-because-of-dangerous-undead diamond mine. Other than that, you can't really avoid material costs, the entire point is to stop you from casting powerful spells at a whim.

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>>53124888
LET ME SNOOZE, RUSE OOZE!

>>53124888
>tfw I'm legitimately sad about the Ruse Ooze not being accepted
This should not be happening.

>>53124888
She was too pure and innocent for this world of high impact sexual violence.

>>53124899
Reincarnation is cheaper than Raise Dead, but it's a bit more obscure of a spell, listwise.

Also the discount comes with 'coming back random'

>>53124457
Ravioli
Ravioli
Sacrifice to the unholy!

>>53124099
If you're still here, anon, go on

I know Inquistor is a very middle of the road class, but I was wondering what any of you think of the Living Grimoire archetype? I like the flavor of it, just don't know if it's a downgrade/sidegrade/upgrade from the base class and I'm not too experienced with the class itself.

How would Rahadoum feel about Ur-Priests?

>>53124888
Wist's availability was just too narrow I think

Also nobody with a DSP monster class got in, so i guess the DM was just giving people rope to hang themselves

>>53125473
Wist was available on Sunday evening GMT+8 though.

>>53124888
>tfw got attached to a character that wasn't even mind
I think I waifu'd wist somehow while knowing [nothing] about her, send help

>>53125514
I could send the Cashmere logs

>>53125592
post them pls

>>53125599
>They were https://pastebin.com/v5XNDraV
>But they expired

Fuck.

>>53125622
Were these the CORED logs? When the fuck did they get posted?

>>53125622
Good thing I saved them to a text file.

>>53125631
stop teasing me and post them already

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>>53125636
How badly do you want them?

>>53125592
Do you have part 3?

>>53125662
pls ;_;

>>53125662
Just post it in a permanent pastebin or hastebin or ghostbin or something m8
why the fuck are there so many bins

>>53125678
>>53125692
https://ghostbin.com/paste/7kawf
I only ask that you don't shitpost about this constantly

>>53125669
I've never even seen part 2.

>>53125714
bless

>>53125714
how wet was wist when she was RPing this, seriously

>>53125745

Why is Vult so terrible at RP

Wist is playing their heart out and he can barely muster three sentences at a time.

>>53125758
Wist is too good for Vult
YOU could've run PLD instead of Vult, and Wist would be lewding YOU right now

>>53125764

No thanks. Noncon isn't my cup of tea.

Your implications of jealousy ring hollow.

>>53125786
you could be in a game with wist and have loving tender e-sex though

>>53125786
Does it occur to you that the lack of emotional connection on the part of the rapist is part of the kink?

>>53125804

Then more effort should be put into physical description.

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>>53125798
>mfw in a game with Wist
>mfw her PC is yandere for mine
>mfw this all started because I deflowered her PC to NTR another PC just to take revenge on the third party, didn't even particularly care about Wist's PC

>>53124695
There is a WotR game but is pay per play.
Not sure if its /pfg/ related.

>>53125837
Wist is best girl

Man, Wist has some fucking stalkers. No wonder the logs got cut off

>>53125888
It's like half the thread at this point somehow

>>53125888
And this is why women shouldn't be allowed on the internet. Shit like this.
>>53125899
To be honest it's like two dudes jerking each other off over how much they want to bang some """"female"""" on the internet.

>>53125888
Last I checked, Wist only has one confirmed stalker.

Aster, the Avowed|Stalker gestalt in FOTJR
Last seen forced to hold Quinn's hand for the whole day because she failed her mission

>>53125908
First of all it's definitely more than two people, second of all no I mean it is literally almost half the posts in the thread

>>53125943
At risk of sounding like a broken record, I too would tenderly make love to Wist

>>53125662
Is there more?

>>53126100
>>53125908
>>53125888
Well Wist being a >girl aside, she
1. makes good characters
2. isn't an insufferable cuntbag and doesn't attentionwhore
3. isn't annoying at all apparently, I've literally never seen anyone insult her in any way which is really fucking weird for a big-name who became a meme
4. is incredibly good at ERP

Some DM on Roll20 mentions /pfg/. Is that you, Anon?

>>53126128
I'm a small name that sometimes moonlights as a meme and even I'd smooch Wist on the first date.

>>53126128
>isn't an insufferable cuntbag
But she won't post part 2 and 3 of the logs

>>53125923
>Wist was a literally who that got into RotJR with an average app among the famous ones

Did RotJR GM see the hidden meme star potential?
Or did he train her up over the past few months with secret intensive ERP lessons, turning her from a shy wallflower into a waifu paragon?

>>53126173
Give her time. She'll come around

>>53126336
I'm convinced every post about her in a waifu manner delays the logs by 2d3 days

>>53126356
I'll see if I can't butter her up some and get those logs out and about by sending some super hot-and-heavy PMs.

>>53126188
Wist got in as a pair app with QANON.

I can only assume that she is QANON's moepprentice.

>>53126416
What happened to QAnon anyway, she shows up way fucking less now.

>>53126416
I will steal Wist from QANON. My intensive training in Cute and Lewd will not cease until I succeed!

>>53126425
She got BTFO by the pathfinder discord
First it got way more popular than her shitty IRC room, then she got banned from the discord for causing drama
Now nobody knows how to get ahold of her

>>53126461
She pissed off Bailey, so she got the boot. You don't fuck with Bailey.

>>53126440
Good luck, anon. Quinn, Aster and Tia typefuck so often it's become a meme in the game. And I'm pretty sure they're actual girlfriends or something.

>>53126461
I thought QAnon was cool, what the fuck?

>>53124695
Book 1 bored me to tears.

>>53126461
>>53126516
But... she's there in the discord right now.

>>53126516
She was, before she went full gamer gurl. We gave her an ounce of attention, and she never stopped wanting more.

>>53126589
t. Bailey aka Wist aka QAnon

>>53126490
Logs?

I'm addicted to reading Wist's ERP, and the only cure is reading more of Wist's ERP.

>>53126613
I don't even waifu her OOC and I think she's fucking amazing at ERP, it's like natural talent or something.

>>53124695

WotRaunchy ran last night. We mostly finished a fight and then Lorelei and Tia interrogated a bad guy while Rath and Artemy headpatted a slime girl and Irina and Sen took care of looting.

Then characters started bickering over leadership. Angrily.

>>53126613
>>53126623
Wait, how many released logs are there?

>>53126680
>Rath and Artemy headpatted a slime girl
deeeeeeeeeeets

>>53126686

It was just headpatting. Even though she wanted the dick. For food purposes.

These boys are too nice to take advantage of a poor dimwitted slime who was being used as a garbage disposal.

At least just yet.

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>>53126716

>The men turned down pleasuring themselves with a LITERAL cum dumpster

>>53126685
Nine, at last count, but some are cabal exclusive DLC.

>>53126716
Was she a Cube
Is it the Ruse Ooze

>>53126731

They're gonna take her back to town or drag her along, depending on what's happening.

But we needed someone to watch the ko'd and tied up smug kung fu oni harem that was fought and one character has a habit of just running forward without rallying everyone first.

>>53126768

Any sufficiently thicc slime-girl can turn into a bed, they just have to feed her enough yummy cummies to grow big and busty.

Hey guys, ive been out of the running for a while now. What major books have I missed? Last thing i picked up was the advance class guide. I remember news of the occult class book. so what is the essential reading i need to do to catch up on the biggest releases?

>>53126761
Damn. The one up-thread is pretty good already, now I'm wondering if the others are as good or even better.

>>53126782
Bestiary V and VI are out. I think both are in the trove, if VI isn't it's also on 7ch.

>>53126731

We asked what her name was and apparently she has only ever been called 'dumpster' by these cultists.

So Rath named her Dimple since he is our official Giver of Names.

>>53126844
Wow uh rude

>>53126731

>ywn see logs of two big men bonding over having their penises kiss in the middle of a sandwiched goo girl

WHY LIVE

>>53126731
Not everyone who plays RPGs are sexual addicts like you.

what are some must have potions for any adventure?

>>53127017

Restoration and neutralize poison definitely.

>>53127035
what about potions that a wizard can make?

>>53127017

Depends, anon!

Spider Climb and CL/M/SW are always nice, and Ant Haul is a good potion to give to your BSF when hauling out loot, etc!

>>53127043
Male wizard, or female?

>>53126761
Any on pastebin?

>>53126792
IT'S THERE. QANON DOES HER JOB.

>>53127105
thanks
Also ur an attentionwhore

>>53124212
Where's the previous thread faggot?

>>53127105
Thank you very much.

>>53126623
Why are you guys so certain you're talking to actual women on the internet

Or is this just one of those denial things where "as long as she says she's a she it's not gay even when balls touch"?

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>>53126844
>Dimple
>not Junko

>>53127159

Deleted and gone.

OP is not a fag in this case.

Also let's drop the insistence on serial threads for a while.

Is Dance of 23-Steps worth the 2nd level spell slot?

For those who can't recall it instantly/don't know it it means that as a free action I can take a -2 penalty to melee attacks and CMB and need to make Concentration checks to cast spells, but gain a +2 dodge bonus to AC until the start of my next round and it increases both penalties and bonuses for ever 4 Perform (dance) ranks I have.

>>53127197
Because it literally doesn't matter. We will never stick our dick in her anyway even if it's a girl and some of us might be non-carpetmuncher women to begin with. On the internet no women exist but the opposite is also true. On the internet you are genderless, because anything that could possibly matter decisively because of your gender doesn't matter.

>>53127208
>also let's drop the insistence on serial threads
>in a general thread
???

>>53127069
Male

>>53127275

Cute!

>>53127239

Just you wait until Vult goes down to Texas for an engineering conference and we see irl video logs of he and iKiD reenacting that Gloriana scene.

I'm here watching all of you idiots just rant about women drama on the internet and how much X is a slut and Y is a cunt instead of talking about tabletop and Pathfinder.

On other threads I bet you're the ones to stroke your dicks about how the people on /tg/ are sooo smart and focused and passioned.

>>53127323
>the ones to stroke your dicks about how the people on /tg/ are sooo smart and focused and passioned
who actually does this?

>>53127341
That's what I wonder but they do. However it's even far worse on fulchan. People there have gone insane since years.

Huh, so, writing "eitechan" is enough to get detected as spam? SocJus overlords much or something?

>>53126613
tabletop gaming was a mistake

>>53127372

THIS

>>53127316
What are you talking about?

>>53127390
Vult has a dog.

>>53127400
Who is vult, why is he pretending to be an engineer, and what scene are we talking about?

>>53127400
A...
A DIAMOND DOG?

>>53127368
I think people raided /b/ or something with it at some point? Dunno there was drama with hotwheels or something I think too

>>53127400

Oh god.

I'm afraid to ask its name.

This is getting TOO wierd.

>>53127400
>yfw Vult is a dog

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>>53127429

Picture of Vult running his game RIGHT HERE

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>>53127429
>vult's fw the catmeres out of the bag

>>53124888
'LET ME SNOOZE, RUSE OOZE'

Anyone here play a vigilante? What sort of theme did you go for? Any particular kind of build you used?

>>53127150
YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT. ANYWAY, DID SOME TROVE UPDATING AND SOME LONG OVERDUE ORGANIZATIONAL BULLSHIT, AND NOW IT'S FUCKING BEDTIME

LET'S GO SNOOZE, RUSE OOZE

>>53126613
>reading Wist's ERPs
>not making your own ERP logs with Wist

>>53127583

Thank you very much! Sleep well!

>>53127583
Wait! Let me warm your bed for you first.

I'll even heavy pet you until you fall asleep.

>>53127225
It's a bad spell, friend, and isn't worth the slot.

>>53127422
In any case my point stands. /tg/ there has been taken over by all sorts of pathetic idiots, and the new admin has decided to enable them. You'd have, for example, a kobold thread, in which I was interested to discuss, you know, actually making interesting kobolds, but it was constantly spammed by some cunt who reposted a hundred of kobold-related pictures found on Google; and what remained of attempts for serious discussion was taken over by an obsessive douchebag who made a "kobold rape system" and forced it down as the main subject of the thread.

Once it became clear everyone from admin to use were more interested in enabling that behaviour than what they circlejerk about ("we're serious, passionate and smart RPG- players guize") then I understood my time there had come to an end.

Before you ask about the system, it was autistic only as a chan user could make it, with things like "subservience stat" or so.

>>53127622
So it's pre-nazimod /tg/? I don't see a problem.

>>53127622
>some cunt who reposted a hundred of kobold-related pictures found on Google

It's always the same seven pictures, isn't it?

>>53127634

Nazimod was the best thing to happen to our board.

Do you guys even remember RMD and Golden Neckbeard and how autistic 4e arguments were?

Those of us on topic had no issue at all. Only buttblasted lewdposters and cringelords cared.

yall need jesus really

you gotta stop being weird here bro at this point nobodys gonna wanna contribute here.

>>53127679
He says, immediately after someone contributes.

>>53127590
But isn't Wist occupied?

>>53127692

A man's memory is longer than one post, anon. Just because one person starts contributing does not mean the rest of the thread isn't crap.

>>53127675
>our board
I don't know where you heard of ancient tripfags but it sounds like you came afterwards. You kind of have to understand that even the stuff you described is really on topic. Making "interesting kobolds" is common sense and merits no discussion in the way making interesting orcs merits no discussion, anything you could possibly say, anyone who has anything to contribute back has seen or thought of already.

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>>53127675
No, nazimod was shit, for thew exact same reason they're being shit now.

>>53127644
Theres really not a lot of good ones.

>>53127710
/pfg/ has an average of 40-60 IPs. It's had an average of 40-60 IPs for the entire three years I've been here, and I'd be willing to bet it still has 40-60 IPs in another three, regardless of the puritans and the anime haters and the normies, because pathfinder attracts a crowd of lewd autistic weeaboos, and the people complaining about it aren't the people contributing. If you want a normal thread, go play a normal game, instead of this bloated garbage heap we only cleave to because it's the glue that keeps us together.

>>53127775
this

>>53127775
Are you suggesting that the only place /pfg/ has left to go is tripfag drama? Thats kind of depressing, man.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71521/the-great-bamboozling

>The Great Bamboozling didn't pick players!
It really was a bamboozle after all.

>>53127843
He's implying that people need to stop fucking bitching and learn to fit into generals they like, instead of moulding a general they like to conform more to their own preferences.

>>53127855
0 hour GM named Bam Boozle m8
I think it was a one-off joke even whoever Bam is a sockpuppet for forgot about.

Have any interesting builds been posted for the Roll20 games?

>>53124264
With the new shield specialization and uhnindering shield, sword and board is actually really good as long as it's a buckler.

>>53127959
>2 feats minimum so you can slap a buckler on your 2H Fighter

I guess you won't need those feats for anything else anyway, but damn if that doesn't feel like a waste.

>>53127936
Depends on your houserules
Just about every game recently has been using insane rules like
>2hu grimoire from 3.5e
>gestalt
>DSP monster classes
>playing as monsters
>nonstandard settings aka mechs, future, etc.

>>53127634
Don't need to have nazi mods to be serious people talking seriously about what they came to talk about, ie tabletop.

Except when your main demographic are a bunch of obsessed children in grown men bodies, apparently.

They cannot self-moderate therefore you need to impose moderation to them. Laws exist for reasons other than dick with people but they were all in their trip of "muh fulchan independence & freedom of thought im being thread on reeee".

On their free time they were just huge bullies for everyone that didn't share their mindset. Sounds familiar?

All I wanted was a place to find the REAL deal of serious people that weren't anally constipated with a bad case of the PC like on Reddit. In retrospect going somewhere the crowd cheerily announces their autism as a badge of pride was a bad idea.

>>53127644
They did that in every other thread... Gnolls, where they'd often repost just actual furry OCs (so unable to tell gnoll from furry), or actually werewolves (can't tell wolves from hyenas.....), etc etc. On the other hand, whenever someone busts their ass for some original content (I don't want to make this personal but I kind of did) to try and bring something they either didn't care or called it edgy, autistic whatnot.

>>53127644
Much of it was badly drawn trash.

>>53127775
>I'm an insecure sexual addict therefore everyone else that isn't as obsessed with sticking dick in every hobby I have must be a puritan and a normie and I also watch anime.
Pathfinder is very much normal when you're not around to try making it weird, Anon.

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>>53128007
>serious people
You are on the wrong fucking website. Serious is not what we do here, we come here to have fun AND discuss things. If you can't discuss things that are silly, or insist on serious business all the time, and get mad at actually on-topic derails, you are unironically not in the right place and might prefer reddit as an actual alternative since I understand their pathfinder bunch are supposed to be not complete arse.
Why do you think people hated /b/'s bullshit about chanology or op. payback or other retarded shite? It's because they decided to take things seriously (even if in a spectacularly over-the-top way). What's the fundamental reason people hate /pol/? Racism? Being offensive? Supporting Trump? No, it's because they take things seriously on fucking 4chan and are incredibly obnoxious about being serious. They start campaigns to elect the president of their choice, they seek to 'make a difference xdddd' and do ass-fucking-retarded twitter crusades, and they preach to anyone who will listen about the virtues of doing things 'their way'.

>>53128007
>They cannot self-moderate therefore you need to impose moderation to them
Wrong website. Mods exist for the sake of the users, not for the sake of rules. Mods exist to prune single highly disruptive posters like spammers or baiting retards, and to delete illegal / R18 content (if on a blue board) as well as modulating where things should be posted (so no Superman THREADS on /a/ - you can still post a single picture if it's relevant to your post). Not because you are asshurt.

>>53128068
I've seen plenty of serious people around here, I think you misunderstand "not-serious" with chill. You can be a serious-minded person that is not anal.

>>53128119
What did I just say, anon, or maybe you skimmed the part with a kobold rape system or the one with image spam.

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>>53128007
>All I wanted was a place to find the REAL deal of serious people that weren't anally constipated with a bad case of the PC like on Reddit. In retrospect going somewhere the crowd cheerily announces their autism as a badge of pride was a bad idea.
>Reddit
So just hold the fuck up one moment.
You are an actual, self-admitted fucking redditor, using reddit spacing, who was too autistic to keep his /pol/ in his pants on reddit, and came to le edgy 4chan because surely 4chan is not PC and conforms to my political beliefs, to have serious discussions and to praise nazimod on /tg/, and to virtue signal about how grown-up and mature you are. Are you for real right now?

>>53128156
>I think you misunderstand "not-serious" with chill. You can be a serious-minded person that is not anal.
You are doing a piss-poor job of showing me how.

Anyone play a vigilante?

>>53128161
...No?

The message clearly states: "don't want to go on Reddit". What's your first language?

>>53128180
What are you asking for advice on anon? Plenty of people like using vigilantes in my experience.

>>53128188
How do you know you don't want to go on reddit and in such detail if you haven't been there? And stop fucking spamming your spaces already holy fucking shit.

>>53128177
You're the one that gets pissy when I tell a story, if anything. I can only imagine this has to do with you somehow feeling targeted.

>>53128191

Just wondering what people's experiences with the class are. What sort of themes or builds they used, and how they felt about them.

>>53128180
They are not bad in a social setting with enough of an interaction. Stuff with intrigue and the like. They are not that bad, but they do lack in combat compared to combat only classes.

>>53127998
Three feats with Shielding Gauntlet Style to gain: shield bonus from a gauntlet, an attack that scales up to 1d10 and a shield bonus that can be enhanced by the magical enhancement of the gauntlet, and the ability to retain the shield bonus while using a 2-handed weapon and getting the attack capacity of the gauntlet so you can switch between 2 weapon and 2 handed fighting and still gain a shield bonus either way.

my gm got into the alt right meme and now he introduced orcs that speak in ebonics into the game. They also try to rape women no matter where they are.

>>53128199
>I consider internet websites to be actual physical locations akin to countries therefore enforcing a cultural and national background over someone in such a fashion that I may be an autist over someone else allegedly clicking on certain website search results.

Wew lad.

A lich who's skeletal head detaches to blast/cast while his body gets up close for melee combat. Probably some kind of mechanical augments on the body.

Too cheesy?

>>53128215
I played a swashbuckling vigilante who was a minor nobleman who's persona was 'The Sparrow' and he wore a beak and bandanna mask.

>>53128233
Aint that what orcs do normally

>>53128209
>when I tell a story
You what? What story did you tell that I got mad at? The one where you catagorically call everyone who disagrees with you "pathetic idiots"? Or the one where you show next to no knowledge of what nazimod actually did, which was hammer EVERYTHING that had even a semblance of possible off-topic aka the natural tangent (which is how *chans work) or even natural derails?

>>53127017
Invisibility, Fly, Water Breathing, and any healing potion you can possibly think of.

woke af adventures keep a potion of sanctuary on them too.

>>53128245
its pretty obvious what he's trying to do when he introduces orcs named jamal who wear bandanas and call everyone "nigga".

>>53128241
So you're not only a redditor but an unapologetic redditor, nice.

>>53128245
I think orcs are usually more into the pillaging and burning part of raiding, less the rape part.

>>53128244
Sounds like a demilich who enchanted his old body or something? Is that even possible or is the old body automatically beyond repair?

>>53128216
>lack in combat
Dude, you have not even looked at the vigilante talents. You can spec out a dex based high damage vigilante who does fd8's in sneak attack damage just about evey time they move. Avengers get full BAB and one talent can gain as many as three bonus feats in scaling benefits, including then entire blight fighting tree, whip mastery tree, weapon focus+weapon spec, and object damaging feats and abilities.

vigilante is literally one of the best tier 2 classes that doesn't require magic (though they can get the unchained Rogue Talents Minor and Major magic, and with Studious Rogue can gain access to all 0th and 1st level sorc+wizard spells)

>>53128233
make a blond-haired blue eyed white girl who wants the orc dick and shuts down anything else.

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>>53128293
But Green isn't Black.

>>53128180
>>53128215
They're bretty gud, but are slightly behind many other classes in raw power. Especially in the archetypes department, though they have some absolutely radical ones even if they are weak. Some are also huge faggots about the dual identity gimmick and cockblock the class entirely because "fuk u I don wan B@man", even though there are literally a million ways to use that feature besides just being a fucking comic book character.

>>53128292
>blind fightign tree
Spellchecker...plz .

>>53128293
haha I should.

>>53128292
>Vigilante
>>>Tier 2

I don't think that means what you think it does, senpai

>>53128279
You're going first circle now. That's the kind of sterile talks I don't miss.

Moving on...

>>53128244
Probably, but you could always introduce one of those actual lich head creatures. Demilich or whatever they are called, while adding in an undead combat monk or death knight.

would be more than an intense encounter.

>>53128271
Oh dang well that is something. In the past when I was a DM I had an encounter with the PCs, who's barbarian was an orc. I forgot about what style I wanted to roleplay the orcs in so on the fly they ended falling into fratbros and introduced them when they were conducting pranks on the farmers on the edge of a big city (egging and stuff) the party's orc was inducted because he was challenged to 'wreck that house' and when a little old lady opened the door he smashed the whole egg carton into her

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How worth is taking one fighter level at 8 with an archer inquisitor ( so Inq 7 / Figh 1) in order to get Manyshot at 8 and Clustered Shots at 9?
I'm trying to build an Inquisitor archer with only core, APG, UM and UC (blame my GM, but at least he let me take Fate's Favored)...

>>53128364
iirc Demilichs used to be lichs but shittier in AD&D
Then they got a huge buff

>>53128279
>I think orcs are usually more into the pillaging and burning part of raiding, less the rape part.

The number of half-orcs is evidence enough that Orcs *love* shoving their dicks into places that don't want them, and you're forgetting that rape is part of the "pillage" thing you just mentioned.

Raids and rapes go together like peas and carrots, been that way since ancient times and it stayed that way until the rise of truly professional armies.

>>53128288
I was under the angle that the Demilich just attaches itself to a skeleton/mechanical body/etc to keep up appearances, or something similar.

It's really just a head, but the body is an addon.

>>53128364
That sounds good to me. Thanks.

>>53128407
Well mainly because when all you have next to you are sweaty Roman men and that hot Persian girl is cowering in front of you...

>>53128396
The name implies that
>demilich = half-a-lich = literally worse than a lich

>>53128364
lmao what a rad dude

>>53128337
They're a high tier 3, but >>53128292 is right. I run an all vigilante campaign and Stalkers are basically a replacement for any Rogue or Bard, while avengers pretty much invalidate fighters and can easily replace Slayers, while either has a lot more capacity for social situation than rogues or bards can manage. Both can be incredibly deadly combatants with minimal effort.

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Best personnality for an orc samourai ?

>>53128474
Ever seen a Blademaster in Warcraft?

Go play Warcraft III again.

I just realized blindsight is real
What do?

>>53128510
Become a dragon

>>53128521
I'm serious tho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight

>>53128373

Well, the sooner you can get the extra arrow and the DR counter, the better for an archer. Though admittedly, I don't know enough about inquisitor to say if you're shooting yourself in the foot by delaying progression at that point.

>>53128474
Brutal warrior who uses his strength to combine with his skill, but is still the 'enforcer' type samurai. Who makes his presence known at the end of a tetsubo. He likely is locked between a raging combat and being serene and strict as is samurai way.

>>53128510
Consider blind warrior monks. Those end up not bad though.

>>53128510
You should play a Spiritslayer going down the Blinded Blade style.

>>53128510
You know what else is real
*breathes fire*

>>53128437

Or that hot Anglo-Saxon girl... Or that hot French girl... Or that hot Greek girl...

... Back in the day, raids were brutal things. The men who went on them were eager, stressed and more than a terrified at possibly running into an enemy force (either before, during or after the raid) and getting viciously slaughtered to the man. They also typically got paid jack shit, hardly more than the food put in front of them or the clothes on their back - you only got your big cash reward for being a soldier AFTER your term was up.

Rape and plunder were the rewards for service, as grotesque as it might sound. Same with sieges, when you put a sword in a man's hand and the Commander more or less gives the green-light for you to do "whatever" to a village, you awaken something terrible within the average man.

Now imagine how that must be for an Orc, who are stuffed with even more testosterone, even more evil and raised on a culture that glorifies conquest and domination. There's a very good reason the men and women of that town in Giantslayer give their people "Mercy knives."

>>53128607
okay but here's an even scarier thought
the orcs are PCs

Are the following acts evil?

A NG character promises to spare a defeated NE opponent if said opponent surrenders information. NE guys tells all he knows, and the NG kills him.

A character of non-evil alignment agrees to secure an object for a character of non-good alignment in exchange for payment up front. Once the object is secured, the non-evil alignment character gives the object to another non-evil alignment character who is in direct competition with the non-good alignment character. The non-evil alignment character keeps the payment.

Two people are arguing. One is TN, the other is CG. The TN character is correct, but the CG character doesn't want to admit being wrong. A NG person enters the argument and sides with the CG person because they are good aligned, even though the subject he is arguing for is incorrect.

Thanks and Shelyn bless.

>>53128627

Yes, no, no.

>>53128627
>alignment argument
pls no

>>53128627
Yes

No

No

>>53128627
Haha time for autism
Yes, because it was in cold blood and against his word despite defeated opponent no longer posing a direct threat.
No, simply Chaotic.
No, because Good people can easily be deluded about facts or remained convinced in the use of argument-from-goodness without being Evil, and can more generally be wrong or biaed without being Evil.

>>53128627
That's why I don't do alignements. When the DM requires me to write one, I just pick Neutral.

My character has his reasons for what he does.

>>53128627
>>53128692
>>53128647
>>53128667
I think that this is entirely what a Chaotic Good character would do. Evil guy is a piece of shit. I'm a Good guy and I beat the shit out of evil. Suck it up, demon-fuckers. Being NG, I think Anon should try and argue his case to the DM.

>>53128470
>Invalidate Fighters/Rogues
Pretty sure they don't get AWT or AATs but I can sort of believe it on a base level, since the Vigilante is harder to fuck up. Rogues (even unchained) have always been invalid so this is nothing new.

>replacing Bard/Slayer
nigga you high af

>>53128724
No, because Good characters can't kill in cold blood after sparing someone. That's probably NOT evil because the reasoning is likely to be "you are too powerful to lock up and there is no other way to be sure you won't start eating virgins and trying to summon the King in Yellow again while I'm away", but neither is it Good because he's defeated and helpless already.

>>53128627
Yes, unless the NE opponent had commited acts worthy of being judged to execution, in which case it's merely Chaotic and not Evil.

Yes, Chaotic and Evil, since this is called scamming and breach of contract.

No, this is lying and being an idiot, but isn't an evil act.

>>53128627
>A NG character promises to spare a defeated NE opponent if said opponent surrenders information. NE guys tells all he knows, and the NG kills him.
Yes

>A character of non-evil alignment agrees to secure an object for a character of non-good alignment in exchange for payment up front. Once the object is secured, the non-evil alignment character gives the object to another non-evil alignment character who is in direct competition with the non-good alignment character. The non-evil alignment character keeps the payment.
Stealing is evil, so unless there's a really fucking good reason for it, yes.

>Two people are arguing. One is TN, the other is CG. The TN character is correct, but the CG character doesn't want to admit being wrong. A NG person enters the argument and sides with the CG person because they are good aligned, even though the subject he is arguing for is incorrect.
No, just petty and certainly not the kind of conduct a Good character should engage in.

>>53128760
>you are too powerful to lock up

Prisons did not exist in the Middle Ages. If the prisoner was a nobleman, you either threw them in the dungeons or kept them under house arrest. If the prisoner was a commoner, you'd throw them in the oubliette or give a swift and immediate punishment (mutilation, forced payment, etc.) and that solves that.

>>53128804
Dungeons are prisons for people like what we're talking about depending on what the king wanted done, it's literally locking them up and that's that. Commoners generally just got fined and locked in the stocks for a day or two unless they actually dun goof.

>>53128647
>>53128667
>>53128692
>>53128765
>>53128780
Is the first one still evil if the NE guy had killed one of the NG guy's friends during combat prior to being defeated?

What about if he hadn't killed, but just severely injured one? Like dropped to low single digit HP severe.

>>53128760
Rules are for the Lawful Evil. We're talking Chaotic. He breaks the rules to save the world. Deadpool would do that as well.

>>53128765
>scamming and breach of contract.
Or opportunism.

>>53128780
>Stealing is evil,
AHEM

Whoah there.

Robin Hood, no?

>>53128862
Largely inconsequential, unless killing said friend was done as a cruelty (killing a noncombatant that was just there).

>>53128881
>>53128760
>for the Lawful Evil
Lawful Good, I mean.

>>53128862
>Is the first one still evil if the NE guy had killed one of the NG guy's friends during combat prior to being defeated?

People tend to die when you're fighting them with swords and spells.

>>53128470
You are soooooooo dumb I am upset.

>>53128881
Robin Hood had "a really fucking good reason", since he was acting on behalf of the righteous king(and thus what he did was arguably not stealing in the first place). Similarly, if you're stealing just enough to survive when you're out of other options, that's not evil. But stealing is still generally evil.

>>53128994
Robin hood acting on the behalf of the King actually still makes it stealing due to how most feudal contracts at the time worked

>>53124236
I think it has the potential to have some pretty good moments, what with the noblemen being exactly what you would expect from a british expedition crew, and the cute girls being cute girls. My personal favorite app would probably be Lord Cornelius Lanchester, followed up by the latest one by Nox

>>53128994
Everyone has a reason, Anon. Everyone thinks they fight for God.

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>>53129006
>tfw going to submit Samuel Harfield aka The Smiling Man, a serial killer vigilante

>>53129095
even me?

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>>53129095

Man, that's all I want. A setting that isn't Eberron that actually has that aspect of Eberron in it; where divine magic is real but the gods are ambiguous enough you could have schisms, heretics, holy wars and more.

>>53129095
Robin Hood doesn't "think" he has a good reason, he is quite literally fighting for the actual king in exile.

>>53129122
The "actual king in exile" is not necessarily a good reason.

>>53129095
Not everyone has a GOOD reason, even if they think they do.

>>53129138
In Robin Hood's case it is.

>>53129122
>>53129138

>Richard the Lionheart
>Exile

He was busy killing Saracens and getting captured.

>>53129180
Yeah except it really isn't

>>53129208
Richard was a terrible king in the sense of a terrible ENGLISH king, his brother is underappreciated.

I have been trying to build a good vivisectionst alchemist for a while but I need help. Do I go for daggers and twf or natural weapons but without beastmorph? Any good feats or discoveries to support it?

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>>53129245
>his brother is underappreciated.

Hey, John! Normandy's looking real fine this time of year, yeah?

>>53129268
Fuck off Richard

>>53129100
The idea is he is called the smiling man for the nature of his calling card. He breaks and the jaw, pulls out the tongue, and slits the cheeks to give victims the appearance of a wide manic grin.

This looks awful and doubles as making them unusable for Speak With Dead, making it much harder to find information on him.

Since he is level 1 (even with gestalt) his victims were limited in scope. He is a CE political terrorist along with simple murderer, targeting the families of government officials. When they are not available he kills prositutes in the same manner.

>>53127017
Elixir of sex shifting

What are some good Teamwork Feats for people whose BAB is too low to qualify for Outflank?
I was thinking Escape Route, but I'm not sure quite how useful it would be

>>53129267
>without beastmorph

But why?

>>53129333
Beacuse I didn't think of it before we started play and its too late to go back

>>53129293
>>53129100
Why the fuck would anyone want this in their party?

>>53129383
For the drama. Duh.

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>>53129293
>>53129100

I don't think this is going to work for a campaign about jolly cooperation in the steamy jungle.

>>53129117
If it's proved it exist it isn't a belief. If it's quantifiable like science it isn't magic. Do like me, make your own settings...

Standard D&D mentality is trash if you ask me. I'm not gonna get into that, as I'll end up working for things nobody here will care about and lead for nothing useful to me, but for one, why do people assume that if there would be gods then they would think like us and worry about heretics or our petty morality.

In my settings the "Gods" are personification of forces, or they are mysterious beings, some of them are amenable and empathic, some others are malignant. Depending on what they are they are more or less sapient in the same way as we are.

It leads you to consider a number of creatures as "godly entities" or spirits based on what they appear to be, and make them much more approachable. As an example, you might meet a "god" living at the heart of a dense forest, and you might converse, exchange, and leave, but he remains uninterested in the things of "outside", although he sometimes watches and studies mortals, and sometimes intervenes to help someone lost in his grove, or a clan that went to him for help. You might also try and kill him, if maybe you believe you could steal his power if you took his horns.

Very much case-by-case basis. Certainly no table with a list of domains and who owns what. This isn't a sort of cosmic feudalism. When you meet what you think is a god, you must first get to know him, and you'll never be sure what, in the end, IS a god.

>>53129122
So... He does think he has a good reason.

Just like any racist thinks he's right. It's all perceptions. You say "legitimate king"; for you, maybe.

>>53129102
All. We think we're right.

>>53129145
And who are you to judge what is right?

>>53129407
The idea is he is fleeing persecution after his one big score, where he managed to kill an aging important official who had fallen sick. He doesn't want to be chased and thus went somewhere no one would follow.

Now that he's here he has no reason to hurt anyone in the party, unless they are either taldan nobility or red headed prostitutes.

>>53129452
>or red headed prostitutes
WHELP! Back to the drawing board!

>>53129429
>Just like any racist thinks he's right. It's all perceptions. You say "legitimate king"; for you, maybe.
>thinking claimant to the throne is an opinion
Fuck off buddy.

>>53129452
>either taldan nobility or red headed prostitutes.
Which of these is more likely in a /pfg/ game?

>>53129267
Natural weapons. Even without Beastmorph you still have access to Beast Shape and other polymorph spells. If you want to be cheeky, you can even grab Treacherous Toxin and/or Pernicious Stab once you have Beast Shape 3 and start tagging people with poison from your chosen form. Or just become an octopus and do 8 sneak attack tentacles a turn.

>>53129429
>You say "legitimate king"; for you, maybe.
Legitimacy is actually quantifiable, in that generally speaking first kings of a line not inherited from a previous king are never actually legitimate, they can only ever say FUCK YOU I HAVE 80000 POINTY STICKS AND YOU ONLY HAVE 12000 SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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>>53129429
>You say "legitimate king"; for you, maybe.
Succession isn't an opinion.

>>53129487
>inb4 someone pitches a taldan warpriest or cleric of Arshea which also haves the Noble Scion feat and is red headed.

>>53129472
God this autism. Legitimacy is literally a point of view that is why they justify it with a God-given right. Learn something before opening your mouth.

>>53129540
Someone sounds like a faggot who supports usurpers. Gonna get hanged quick with that attitude.

>>53129494
>Legitimacy is actually quantifiable
Because SOMEONE made a rule but if you know anything about History, it's always contested and changed. Why do you think that.

>>53129507
Yeah it is that's why there are a thousand different laws in a thousand different cultures such as primogeniture or gavelkind you fucking tards

>>53129540
Take your ancap ass back to /pol/.

>>53129559
I'm going to go full ree in three seconds

Whats he best initiator for Dex/Cha? Particularly TWF faggotry.

Some kind of warlord? One of the initiating archetypes?

>>53129540
Legitimacy isn't a point of view, legitimacy is proveable (and forgeable!)
There's a reason that people will protest but only quietly if my sister with 25 INT and even higher CHA usurps my throne because she actually has a claim to it, especially if she's older and we simply use agnatic-preference succession. If you, a murderhobo from nowhere, does so, you can't even begin to argue your legitimacy no matter how tyrannical I was.

>>53129565
If you know anything about history then you'd know that even so it took time for claimants to fuck off and for people to accept that the king is now of a new lineage.

>>53129565
>hurr durr, I don't support legitimate line of succession like any good Englishman would
How's the baguette treating you frenchie?

>>53129293
I like it. Is he handsome?

>>53129602
>we simply use agnatic-preference succession
...So it's a point of view

>you, a murderhobo from nowhere, does so, you can't even begin to argue your legitimacy
...Unless you chose "might makes right".

The law is as legitimate as you make it out to be.

>If you know anything about history then you'd know that even so it took time for claimants to fuck off and for people to accept that the king is now of a new lineage.
And in the end that makes him legitimate, so it's still an opinion.

Either legimitate is forever either it's a passing thing, and therefore, you can't just just people for doing what's wrong now but will be seen right later.

At one point it was legitimate to take people as slaves, I'll remind.

>>53129633
Do you know pinhead larry?

>>53129466

Anon pls, redheads are preciously rare enough in Pathfinder campaigns.

Man, I love creating new stuff!

Someone review my Serpents' Skull paladin, pleeeeeeease, I'm shit with backstory so you'll know it when you see it.

>>53129452
>red-headed taldan noble prostitute

Now what, Stabs McGee?

>>53129619
I-I'm not French...

>>53129648
How much for one

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I noticed there's a lot of enemies that have str modifiers which cause them to deal negative damage? Such as the Zoog or Pickled Punk.

How does this work, exactly? Obviously these enemies are pointless if they do zero damage on every attack, as they would pose no threat, but I can't find any information on how this is supposed to work?

>>53129659
Wasn't prostitution a semi-popular thing for bored noblewomen in Ancient Rome? I recall passages of Catullus that discuss how noble ladies would sneak into the night so they could get their fill of men in some dingy stable.

>>53129633
He has 16 charisma if that's any indication. Though he would not be classically handsome.

I am still half thinking of giving him thinning hair and a weak chin, along with a constant dower expression. Basically the sort of face that changes quite a bit when he actually changes to his vigilante identity and decides it's time to fight.

>>53129698
I believe every attack has a minimum of 1 damage.

>>53129697

Ten Drachmas for a redheaded Barbarian, Twenty Drachmas for a Redheaded archer.

Fifty Drachmas for a redheaded priestess.

>>53129639
>...So it's a point of view
What? No agnatic preference succession is a law system, what the fuck are you on about? "Thieves will pay twice the value of goods stolen" is a point of view?

>unless you chose might makes right
Which is another succession system, and not the one ever used under heriditary monarchies. Glad we cleared that up.

>At one point it was legitimate to take people as slaves, I'll remind.
Because it was lawful to do so. It is not actually lawful and cannot be contested as lawful to take the throne by kicking out the old king as a non-claimant (pressing claims is saying 'look I should've been king, I'm just righting an old wrong) and unfortunately changes in law are not retroactive - it does not retroactively make you a legitimate king, although your CHILD may well be considered legitimate for all intents and purposes.

>>53129659
Then he has to have a serious sit down and think about killing you, and whether there is some way he could do it without arousing suspicion.

>>53129700
Roman women were bored a LOT.

>>53129721
Ah, that makes sense then.

>>53129698
>If penalties reduce the damage result to less than 1, a hit still deals 1 point of nonlethal damage.

Are there going to be space dragons in Starfinder?

>>53129655
She's no kobold, but at least a lot of the story seems about right for a gnome. So props

>>53129726
Yes it is. Law IS a point of view on Justice and how do you apply it. I mean if you get out of your country you're gonna see that nobody has the same laws as you do. And your country keeps making new ones or change the old ones.

Limiting yourself to what's written right now as what you're allowed to do is incredibly illogical for any sort of character.

So I am the King and Idiot McGoodtart is my Paladin. I make it illegal to have blond hair. Goodtart goes on to justify why there are nowadays not many blondies in Fantasy. Right in the middle of it, I think it's funny to say that it is now legal to have blond hair. If we're going with this logic, Goodtart would have to stop immediately murdering all blondies, and in both cases, he'd have been considered a "Lawful Good", since I'm the King, and I make the law, regardless of my alignement, which will always be Lawful Good anyway, since I'm the King and I make the law and I said that the King is always right.

The true distinction between Lawful and something else is committment and consistency, not the Law itself as a social construct.

>Which is another succession system, and not the one ever used under heriditary monarchies. Glad we cleared that up.
Really? Might makes right is the History of England from the Norman invasion up to the Victorian Era. There are "official" and "actual" events.

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How do we stat these murder machines?

>Serpent's Skull is pitched
>Not a joke
>People starts to pitch characters instead of laugh their asses off by this blatant lack of good taste.

I guess you fucking divas don't give a fuck for the plot nor setting as far as you can have your power fantasy and sexual paraphilia fix.

>>53129856

Wrong one, mine is above that one!

>>53129872
You please don't.

>>53129885
What are we talking about?

>>53129880
Wait what's wrong with serpent's skull?

>>53129842
That is one of the themes, yeah. There are already astral and void dragons, also a planet with a continent ruled by dragons. It is full to the brim with true dragons ruling over large tracks of land where the native population worships them or lives under them as kings.

>>53129880

Honestly, I'm just as surprised as you are at how few of the apps even bother to connect with the setting.

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>>53129904
>You please don't.
Why?

>>53129924
Serpent's skull is supposed to about an expedition into the Mugwani expanse, correct? Then it makes sense for most characters to be foreigners, save for guides.

>>53129922
Gonna be boring as shiiiiiit.

>>53129922
Maybe it won't be so bad, then.

>>53129941
It's not just about being a foreigner, it's about being a foreigner who would willingly sign up for a voyage to Bunga Bunga Land explicitly to explore and treasure hunt.

>>53129868
>Law IS a point of view on Justice and how do you apply it
No it isn't. Law is a statement on how the society views morality, and a promise to enforce it. Saying "stealing is wrong" is a point of view. Saying "Stealing is punishable" is a statement of fact.

>>53129868
>on justice
No it isn't. Law is a hard-and-fast rulesystem, an implementation of your point of view on justice, which is not at all the same thing. You may argue an extant law is unjust and should be repealed, and you may argue that what you did isn't truly against the law because look here it doesn't actually cover what I did, but you cannot argue an extant, active law doesn't fucking exist, which is what you're doing. No, the legitimacy of the king is NOT a point of view, the legitimacy of the king (not how legitimate and good you think he is, but how legitimate he actually is by-law)

>Lawful Good
That's not how LG works, go read up. LG doesn't need to follow unjust laws because he views laws as an implementation for justice - his justice, which is also Good justice, as D&D has absolute morality.

>Really? Might makes right is the History of England from the Norman invasion up to the Victorian Era. There are "official" and "actual" events.
That's de-facto which is not de-jure. William the Conquerer didn't appear out of nowhere, he pressed his claim because Godwinson's claim was utter trash and everyone knew it, but people still thought him illegitimate because ANOTHER problem happened with his birth - he was born out of wedlock. However, William's army was hot shit, and nobody was willing to talk back to him. Just because the lich is fucking your shit up and everyone is too scared to try and start shit, meaning he defacto is going to do it anyway, doesn't actually make it LEGAL for him to be Energy Draining people to death.

>>53129981
You don't realize how you're just trying to enforce your point of view right now.

> "Stealing is punishable" is a statement of fact.
So is "the sun is edible".

>>53129872
Skeletal champion with the charging bullrush combat maneuver feat chain and a trample damage

>>53129880
Most of those characters posted fit pretty well. Not so much the murderer just pitched though.

>>53129885
My point still stands. Tough halflings are pretty fun.

>>53129965
Yes, and? You need to be someone willing to leave their home country for some reason. Not exactly hard.

The vigilante character pitched in this thread has a good reason 'fleeing political persecution' makes as much sense as anything.

>>53129489
Two weapon fighting worth taking?

>>53130022
>Most of those characters posted fit pretty well. Not so much the murderer just pitched though.
Murderer fits, makes perfect sense to have a crazy or two on your "The Heart of Darkness" expedition.

>>53130016
I'm not ENFORCING anything. I'm ARGUING. You seem to have difficulty grasping the fact that words generally have singular meanings. Saying "you're wrong" is not an attempt to enforce the differing opinion.

>>53129908
It was a fucking insult to the players' intelligence.
It lacks of coherence with the setting, fails to be a challenging, fails to bring an interesting political struggle still the faction rukes were shoved in, the adventure shifts from a jungle themed into an underdark one, there is an azlanti city which makes absolutely ni fucking sense in the setting, talking apes villains straight from a saturday cartoon...
The reason why people play this is because non degenerated snakemen were voreaphiles and that may happen during the campaign.

>>53129941
>>53129965
Lord Cornelius has a pretty good reason, looking for the thrill of the hunt, and treasure to fund his estate, as his family did before him so that does not seem so bad. Very african expedition type thing.

The fencer duelist has a good reason as well. Leaving former hostile nobility and fleeing as a colonist is what happened in real life.

>>53129904
I think we're talking about
>>53129856
that one, anon! I dunno who you are, though!

>>53129998
>LG doesn't need to follow unjust laws
BUT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE JUSTICE OF A LAW IS A MATTER OF OPINION

>No it isn't.
Yeah it is. Some people don't think slavery is just and make laws against it. Others believe slavery is just and make laws for it.

You're going in circles. Law is made by people for people, not by an extradimensional robot with omniscience. Law is ALWAYS made with moral prejudice.

You see, that's why I don't do morality in my games, and talk to it with people, they just don't grasp things out of their scope. I'm not up to keep to that discussion any longer.

>>53130062
Pretty sure the Azlanti were a global culture anyways. Most of the actual aztec feel comes from serpent and lizardfolk which makes sense since thats their thing.

>>53130055
Saying "you're wrong" is what a law does.

>>53130062
>there is an azlanti city which makes absolutely ni fucking sense
Azlanti built shit everywhere.
> talking apes villains straight from a saturday cartoon
It's a fantasy world. I don't see how talking apes upset anything more than the talking pigs, cats, dogs, etc Wizards can take as a familiar or various other magical beasts you encounter.

>>53130088
>You're going in circles. Law is made by people for people, not by an extradimensional robot with omniscience. Law is ALWAYS made with moral prejudice.
In golarion it quite literally is. We can defer to higher authorities of literal god beings of law.

>>53130088
>BUT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE JUSTICE OF A LAW IS A MATTER OF OPINION
GOOD AND LAW ARE LITERAL COSMIC FORCES. "JUSTICE" IS NOT AN OPINION. Welcome to D&D alignments. If you don't like how they work, I strongly suggest you shut the fuck up.

I want to play an ungermaw, but I'm afraid I'll be called a vorefag. Please help.

>>53130086
Guy is asking us to rate a character to which he has given no link or so I'm aware.

>>53130016
Are you being obtuse on purpose? I can literally take the code of law and say "look, here is where it says you're fucking wrong". Law is defined to be true and extant, whether or not it's actually enforced is something else. Just because you're too fucking strong to arrest doesn't mean I'm theoretically not able to legitimately do so. Just because the level 20 Sorcerer DSP Succubus gestalt can take over my kingdom with contemptuous ease doesn't make her legitimate - unless I abdicate in favor of her and even then it's unlikely to be legitimate unless I have full control over my succession laws.

>>53130088
>BUT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE JUSTICE OF A LAW IS A MATTER OF OPINION
Not in fucking alignment-based systems it isn't, you literally don't understand the systems under which you are arguing.

>Yeah it is. Some people don't think slavery is just and make laws against it. Others believe slavery is just and make laws for it.
And...said laws fucking exist within their societies, what's your point? It is legitimate to own a slave within a slaveowning society. It is outside the scope of someone outside of this society to tell me my owning slaves is not legitimate because this is demonstrateably false, I can check the lawbooks and - oh, look, I can own slaves. You're talking about normative law. I'm talking about positive law. Nobody fucking cares about positive law when determining actual legitimacy. You may care about normative law when determining your OPINION of a king's right to rule.

>>53130136
I believe it's this one:

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/5014066/applications

the halfling, five posts down.

>>53130140
>Nobody fucking cares about positive law
*Normative

>>53130106
No. Saying "You will be punished for acting against our morality" is what law does.

>>53130104
>>53130120
This. If you pointed at some magical bullshit in the world you can probably point to a chart reading
>Did the God's do it?
>If not? Did the Aboleths do it?
>If not? Did the Azlanti do it?
>If not? Did ancient Thasilon do it?

>>53130120
>>53130088
Is the gorilla king not actually someone who made a deal with the fiend that takes form of gorillas and is pretty much gorilladevil? Makes sense to me.

>>53130132
>Deflecting to D&D
We are talking about RL feudal legitimacy, anon. If you don't want to stay on that topic, please leave.

>>53130126
S'why Golarion's shite.

>>53130133
Be a man and tell them you're not into vore.

>>53130133
Ungermaw is not bad. Don't worry anon

>>53130088
Lawful in D&D, besides being actually cosmic in nature, is also taken as "following conduct", which could mean local laws or personal codes. You see, however, your personal codes have shit-all to do with the actual law of the land.

>>53130106
A law prescribes rulesystems and punishment. A law never says "stealing is wrong" or "murder is wrong", it says "if you steal this is what happens, if you murder this is what happens". It never tells you you need to agree, it says this is what is going to happen and you'll either have to run off, fight off, or pucker up buddy because I don't fucking care what you think.