Tau Marine renegade faction

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Xenos in origin, its very nature an abomination in his eyes, and to further compound the blasphemy, it was crewed mostly by human hands. They brought him aboard, upon condition of the surrender of his weapons, gave him a wide berth, and a choice. He could sieze command of the vessel, pilot it back to imperium space, where, if the crew were not already dead by his hand, they would certainly be killed for heresy and treason; he could go wherever he wanted, the ship could take him anywhere in known space he could desire, given enough time; or he could join them, and experience more freedom in the next year as a nameless insignificant man, than he had experienced in ten average lifetimes of imperial service.

Thus he surrendered his armor and identity as an astartes and was taken to a gue'vasa world, where he breathed his first truly free breath. No empire to order him, no weight of armor to restrain him, no weaponblade or gun to remind him. He took up the simple joy of farming, no authority, or responsibility, no victory to aspire to, no failure to be dissapointed by. Thus a year had passed.

And then they came.

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Word came in late winter upon his world of friends and neighbors that a tyranid splinter was moving his way, orbital defense cannons would slow, and diminish it, but it WOULD make planetfall, and it would seek to consume all on the speck of rock he had come to call home. The Xenos that governed his world had called for reinforcements. They would arrive a day after the nemesis. 39 hours of planetary revolution would see no opposition save his human allies, their local masters, and the man himself.

The governor informed him of this and one further development: In advance of reinforcements had arrived an old friend. The capsule opened and revealed what he had once considered his very hand and will. An old friend indeed, his armor and armaments had kept him alive through countless fights, scarred, battered, but intact. Returned to him now, studied for a year by their finest scientists, repair and retrofit with their finest technologies. He would lead the fight against the menace. He would hold his speck in space. His endless war had ended, he intended to see it remain so.

Thus it was that he came to fight for what was once an insignificant faction, overlooked or butchered given the mood of the administratum on any given day. He had become the defender of his world, standing shoulder to shoulder with a new family of brothers. scavenging what relics found in the wreckage of his former caste, recovering any left for dead by the imperium.
Most chose to die rather than betray the values they held sacred. One in a thousand would choose to join him in defending those the empire, and emporer had shunned. A ruined dreadnoght rebuild into a riptide. A terminator that survived his termination. countless thousands of bodies yielded hundreds of survivors yielded dozens of the old, like he, the tired, the presumed dead who wished more than presumption, but accepted the cause of defending humanity yet more, albeit among strange and despised bedfellows.

Interesting premise but utterly lore breaking with the whole indoctrination thing Astartes go through. Also mentioning some who survived being executed is stupid because they'd rip their geneseed out and there'd be no chance in hell they'd let them live.

>>53105527

This. Even renegade astartes don't like xenos. Hell, even chaos space marines hate xenos. A well meaning space marine chapter can hate the Imperium (it goes against the Emperor's vision aftee all), but then they'd try to reform it. Which still means a hardline stance against humanity being under rule from any other species.

I had envisioned them as yet xenophobic, but not outright murderous upon sight. The "emperor's bastards", chapter as I envisioned them, would garrison themselves on guevasa worlds primarily home to human former imperial citizens, their maintenance performed by their charges. They are given access to the technologies of the tau, whatever is scavenged by space wreckage, and whatever is found on the worlds they claim, as most Tau consider imperium tech too backwards for their use. Whatever damage is inflicted upon their equipment or persons are healed and repaired with imperium scavenged tech where available, and Tau components where required.

>>53105357
>"Hate the alien as you hate the heretic, as you hate the unbeliever. For what right have they to live, they who are other?"
-Kor Phaeron, Black Cardinal of the Word Bearers

Space Marines do not join xenos. They hate xenos. They kill xenos. They were literally created with the sole purpose of wiping out everything in the galaxy that isn't human. Even selling your soul to daemon gods isn't enough to get rid of that hatred.

In other words, get purged.

>>53105527
>>53105563

Its a hell of a lot more plausible than space marines going to, you know, Chaos. These guys are only slightly askew from regular marines, whereas most CSM are completely so.

And before you say "well Chaos is supernaturaly seductive," the Chaos codex makes it clear that in many cases, a CSM became perverted, shiftless, self serving, etc. long before Chaos showed up.

>>53106003
Word Bearers aren't the standard of all renegades. Its kind of a minor fluff thing, only mentioned for a few renegade SM, and mostly /tg/ headcanon.

>>53105563
>implying.

Iskandor Khayon viewed a Dark Eldar Scourge as his blood sister. He loved her as kin. When she was assassinated by Dark Eldar Kabal, his grief was so much that it moved abaddon to launch a crusade on the Dark City to destroy the Kabal that took her from him.

>>53106051
Pretty much every CSM PoV I can recall in a Black Library novel treats xenos with absolute contempt.

>>53106078
Read Talon of Horus then.

>>53106051
Exactly. Furthermore, the Tau and Imperium have a strange relationship. If one stays in its proper place then the other will not strike, and furthermore they have aided each other numerous times.

I envisioned these marines as being a clandestine order, spoken of only in rumors, and never directly combating the empire, and leaving no witnesses to their deeds.

>>53106078

The level of surprise anyone should have that CSM don't like much of... anything should approach 0%.

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Guilliman-Tau alliance is coming. You know it.

>>53106164
I'd be down. The emperor's bastards could use a primarch.

>>53106003

I'm pretty sure the Emperor allowed xenos that presented no threat in his Imperium as protectorates. The whole kill all xenos doctrine was adopted later, a perversion of the original orders.

>>53106194
Nope. See the Iron Hands and Emperor's Children wiping out the Disaporax. Only the human members were offered a chance of living in the Imperium, the aliens got nothing. When they refused, the Space Marines killed them all.

>>53106194
Name an example.

The Great Crusade was explicitly made to unite mankind and kill the alien that had abused humanity in its darkest times, this idea that the imperium was once a nice place full of tolerance is fucking retarded and false.

>>53105357
I like it, keep writing more if you're up for it

>>53106028
Chaos is a darkening of the soul. It grows and feeds upon emotion and human nature in general. Astartes indoctrination slows it more than say, an average Guardsman, but it literally uses you against you. No living thing with a soul is immune to it and it is not remotely the same as an ideology or philosophical shift.

There plenty of canon instances of marines leaving the Imperium without turning to Chaos, so this seems quite feasible.

>>53106228

They did, indeed, genocide dangerous xenos and those that refused to bent the knee. However, I'm sure the Kill All Xenos is a later policy.

>>53106541
So name an example.

>>53106562
The opening of Fulgrim involves the crusade command staff talking about maybe making the Laer a protectorate of the Imperium to save the resources that would be involved in crushing them, which implies that the option exists to be considered? Not that anon but other than that idk.

>>53106562

Eldar.

>>53106433
Sure, why not?

The emperor's bastards serve only in the capacity of defending human civilians. They respect the concept of the greater good to the extent that they will accept superior armaments, allies willing to fight alongside them, and ships/facilities necessary to carry out their newly assumed duties. These duties, on the other hand, are not endless, and they enjoy a fair bit of social time. It is not at all uncommon for them to set down their weapons at the day's end, and enjoy a slice of pie with the grateful citizens of whatever planet they're on. Unlike the people of the imperium, who view the astartes as the will of god made flesh, or the hand of the inquisition waiting to happen, gue'vasa see these men as just that - men. In need of the love and support of the people whom they support and love. There are no serfs among them, no fledglings. The youngest of their number is nearing his second century, their eldest (Brother August, the riptide-nought) nears his first millenium. They do not hail from any one chapter, they are individuals, be they the abandoned, who were left behind when too badly injured to continue, the weary, like their leader, or the disgraced. Blackshields make a large number of them. The wealth of knowledge and experience among them is their greatest attribute. Between a squad there are few if any situations one of them has not encountered, and so very few surprises ever await them. The vast majority of plans are formed between them starting with the words "remember the battle of _____?" and goes from there. Naturally they all have some wonderful war stories to tell around campfire, which they gladly share with the people they protect.

>>53106619

I'm liking it.

Yeah sure, indoctrination whatever. Recall just how many space marine chapters there are out there and ask yourself if it's really impossible that 300 or so of then over a thousand years walked off to farm on a xeno planet somewhere.

Now them all joining the Tau, a basically insignificant minor faction? I mean, I guess...


Take my opinion with a handful of salt. I'm one of those people who wants to see Ork refugee districts in Imperial hives.

As mentioned, their facilities, transports, and equipment are either provided by the Tau, scavenged from wreckage, or battlefields picked clean in their wake, but their maintenance, repairs, upgrades, and upkeep are all handled by human hands, though they are closely observed by the Tau governors of whatever world they happen to be visiting. In battle, they tend to stick close to the nearest battlesuit, providing close to mid range combat support. This allows them to fill a pivotal role on the battlefield: Their Tau allies are more experienced with the superior ranged weapons provided to them, but when bolter shells run out and fusion cannons are overrun by whatever godforsaken monstrosity the 'nids have birthed this time, they are prepared to bring swords to bear.

>>53106619
>>53106670

My main objection isn't so much whether marines could act like this, but rather whether the Tau would tolerate them running around unsupervised in their space.

>>53106481
okay, but you got the order of operation wrong: the CSM codex is very clear about how usually they go to Chaos as a result of degenerating into immoral freakjobs, rather than the reverse.

Its "normal" for space marines to respect tau. Its not normal for space marines to become shiftless, amoral douchebags, yet tons and tons of SM become that on the way to becoming CSM. The CSM codex is clear about how they tend to go to the Chaos Gods as one final thrill etc.

The distance from SM to CSM is about a trillion types farther than this guy's taumarines. Not that I approve int he slightest of Donut Steel shit like Riptide-Dreadnoughts.

>>53106658
>I'm one of those people who wants to see Ork refugee districts in Imperial hives.

That doesn't strike me as more freakishly unnatural than, say, the Opposite Day nature of Diggerpersons and The Beast's Ork Diplomats, and more interesting than (no offense) another SM chapter.

Are these ironic political commentary refugees or...?

>not that orks aren't used for ironic political commentary

>>53106701
They are closely watched and never leave Tau space. Any world with a human population that is the target of an attack will hear from them shortly afterward. Of course the Tau keep a close eye on them, they provide all of the chapter's ships, ammunition, upgrade components, and train the people who install it. Brother August suspects there isn't a single component outside his sarcophagus that isn't lojacked.

>>53106619
>who were left behind when too badly injured to continue

Given the Emperor's Mercy and geneseed reclaimed from their corpse

>The weary

Purged for heresy since Astartes are now watched closely since the whole Horus Heresy thing.

>Or the disgraced

Removed from active service and shoved into clerical work if not just outright geneseed removal and converted to a servitor.

>>53106619

>Yeah sure, indoctrination whatever. Recall just how many space marine chapters there are out there and ask yourself if it's really impossible that 300 or so of then over a thousand years walked off to farm on a xeno planet somewhere.

Yeah because the first hint of such behavior would be seen as heresy and either sent for reconditioning or purged in one manner or another.


Learn the way things actually work with the Astartes before trying to bastardize the lore for a neat idea. Trying to present this to anyone these are the things you'll have to explain and debate, learn to do it instead of just hand waving it.

>>53106778
The Imperium has literally no mechanism to watch Astartes that closely. So...

>>53106778
>Learn the way things actually work with the Astartes before trying to bastardize the lore for a neat idea.

Eh, It's just a break from the usual grimdark of it all. Besides, like this anon said,

> Recall just how many space marine chapters there are out there and ask yourself if it's really impossible that 300 or so of then over a thousand years walked off to farm on a xeno planet somewhere.


There are trillions of humans. Of those, millions become astartes, on a yearly basis across imperium space. Of those, hundreds of thousands die on a year by year. Of those presumed dead, you think it's absolutely impossible for hundreds to have survived and just gotten sick of it over the centuries? Conditioning or not, every man has his breaking point, not every man turns to chaos, and the Tau are generally seen as optimistic fools by most in the universe that consider them for more than two seconds.

>>53106801
>What are chaplains
>What is indocrtonation of everyone around you who would report you
>What is the Inquisition

Please, it's a cool idea but the reasons these people have joined are going to get you nothing but scorn and laughed at.

You have to take into account a more solid reason than scenarios that would literally play out in the Marines death and their geneseed being reclaimed.

>>53106801

Yeah, nobody watches astartes. It isn't like fellow space marines watch each other because they know about chaos. And there isn't the Minotaurs which is exclusively used against renegage astartes groups. And the inquisition and grey knights never watch space marines for signs of heresy, nor do the admech watch them due to their techmarine plants to ensure tech heresy never becomes a thing.

Do you even know anything about 40k lore? Chaos corruption is vastly more reasonable to happen than marines joining xenos. As shown before, 99% of the time even chaos hates them and renegage chapters as well.

Because chaos will prey on normal things to slowly bring you to their side and corrupt you slowly until you wake up one day and realize you became a pawn and went down a bad path.

To join the Tau means rejecting pretty much everything and is a far more radical shift. Because then you aren't fighting for human supremacy, your own, or even misguided in thinking the chaos gods are good and fighting for them. You're basically going "yeah, I'll be a vassal to a xenos species, one which is tinier than a single sector of imperial space". Nobody would fucking do that. Even the Tau have to sterilize and brainwash regular humans in their space and avoid putting them on fronts with other humans to keep them under control, but a space marine would willingly bow down? Lol, Jesus fucking Christ.

Tau fanboyism at its finest here. And mixed with spess marine fanboy autism. This is some high octane stupidity.

>>53106826
>Of those presumed dead, you think it's absolutely impossible for hundreds to have survived

With the every chapter being overly anal about reclaiming geneseed there are few to no scenarios where they wouldn't search the battlefield for every last one.

The few there are means they lost and everyone left is fucked.

I like the idea but you guys need to make it more iron clad and have slightly better reasoning on how they came to the Tau.

>>53106833
Skeptical about the marines commonly tattling people to the Inquisition.

>but the reasons these people have joined are going to get you nothing but scorn and laughed at.

No idea why you think I'd care whether you think OP's probable-troll post will get him hypothetical-laughter-and-scorn. I'm just here to heap my own laughter-and-scorn at the notion of marines... what? Tattling to the Inquisition's space telephone hotline?

I suppose that's plausible (need to get at the astropaths for that though, that's probably why the librarian tends to be the weak spot, but could be a good justification for why Chaos renegades are the most common type), but keep in mind I was responding to a goofy ass post about how "the Imperium watches space marines carefully."

They don't have any means of "watching space marines carefully," better than through a fucking telescope.

>>53106541
Diasporax. Perfectly harmless human and alien space nomads. The Imperium offered to resettle the humans if they cut ties with their alien buddies. When they said no, all were killed.

There is no mercy for the xenos scum.

>>53106878

Don't bother. The thought process that went into this was essentially:

>Hmmmmm. I'm a big weeb and anime fan, but I also have homoerotic fantasies about big muscle men in armor. If only there was a way to combine my love of anime and my love of big space marine cock...

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>>53106223
Daily reminder that Eldar didn't seek to wipe out non-Eldar life in the galaxy. Eldar best galactic rulers. Tens of millions of years of success before faltering. Humans have 10,000 years of limping and barely holding shit together. Shameful.

>>53106833
Dude, there's no point in arguing. The Tau are a faction for 40k players who don't like 40k.

>>53106833
Well, all those precautions demonstrably don't prevent some marines from defecting to Chaos, so why not xenos too? It's entirely within the realm of possibility.

>>53106869

>Yeah, nobody watches astartes.

The Imperium sure as hell doesn't, and I'm laughing at the idea. Any sort of "watching" the Imperium performs on space marines is going to almost certainly be a one-off Inquisition gizmo or ploy.

The closest it gets is... the Imperium can watch the Space Marines through the Admech through the Techmarines. So... virtually impossible.

>Do you even know anything about 40k lore

More than the idiot who thought "the Imperium watches Space Marines closely." Even to say "the Imperium watches Space Marines" is a stretch. The closest you can say is "the Imperium can, in a very clumsy, uncomfortable way, arrange for Space Marines to be watched, through several degrees of separation."

>Because chaos will prey on normal things to slowly bring you to their side and corrupt you slowly until you wake up one day and realize you became a pawn and went down a bad path.

Space Marines become feckless amoral hedonists and raiders all the time without benefit of Chaos, and that is an order of magnitude greater radical shift than them deciding to work for Xenos.

Then again, most Xenos are not remotely silver tongued or diplomatic (Tau are), most Xenos are not inclined to recruit (Tau are), most Xenos are not well supplied or gizmo-inclined enough to help support Astartes (Tau are), most Xenos are not remotely respectable enough that Astartes would vouch for their honor (Tau are), and most Xenos do not share both a totally compatible ethos as well as a directly analogous social caste to astarte (Tau do).

>or even misguided in thinking the chaos gods are good and fighting for them.

It is very rare for anything, even written from the Chaos point of view, to suggest that the CSM think that Chaos is "good" for humans. They may think its "good" for... themselves, but generally CSM totally reject even the faintest shred of their former beliefs.

>>53106901
Actually, the thought process was that I find 40k to be very depressing, the Tau being the least depressing aspect of it, and I could see anyone living in such a setting to simply grow tired of it, especially after centuries of monotonous battles. I imagined that any marine who joined up as a child to serve his people and his emperor as a youth would find himself resenting them, and his eternal hell of a life, given enough time.

>>53106935

>the lure that chaos holds over an individual, a psychic race, and descendents of an arguably very warp based creation (primarchs) is comparable to the temptations of the Tau

Okay, so this is basically more Tau fanwank of the highest order. And in total ignorance of how 40k works.

>>53106869
(con't)

>Even the Tau have to sterilize and brainwash regular humans in their space

You're citing third party canon and bitching about other people's perspective on 40k? C'mon.

>You're basically going "yeah, I'll be a vassal to a xenos species, one which is tinier than a single sector of imperial space". Nobody would fucking do that.

They're still huge in comparison to the amount of SM around, of course, and have plenty of resources to offer. These guys have fuckin' rad tech.

>This is some high octane stupidity.

Sorry that people are triggering you.

>>53106901
Space Marines are plenty anime as is.

>>53106968
Except your entire point falls apart because space marines watch other space marines. And parent chapters often watch the chapters that split off from them. Space marines may be separate from the Imperium at large, but not to each other. And guess where 99% of space marine loyalty lies? To the Emperor above all, and then the Imperium. Guess who's gonna know if a chapter or marine goes rogue?

>>53106987
Furthermore, "vassal to a xenos species" comes with no standard daily chapter rituals, prayers etc, you may or may not go back to being a simple farmer when you're at peace, and are granted virtual autonomy by the government.

Daily reminder: There is no inquisition or even a similar organization among the Tau.

>>53106981
You've made your opinion clear and can move on now, anon. You won't enjoy this thread and its premise much so there is no need for you to stay.

>>53107006

>Except your entire point falls apart because space marines watch other space marines

Not at all. I'm just calling bullshit on the idea that the Imperium "watches" space marines. Internally is another story.

I don't really know what the point of these guys is mechanically, since if they have riptide dreadnoughts, they're going to be more like tau mechanically than SM.

So if I wanted humans with tau tech, I would simply have a tau ethereal doing a limited, highly supervised, field test of gue'vesa with fancier gear than they usually have. Even a human using a riptide is plausible, even if and especially you have a low view of tau, due to the fact that riptides give you cancer.

>>53106987
Tau tech is not comparable to space marine tech. The Tau are advanced, but the admech has forgotten more than the Tau know. The maintenance of a space marine both on a genetic level and tech level would be all but impossible. It is so complex that space marines need techmarines and chaplains who handle all of this shit and have to always be on alert for issues with the technology, geneseed mutations, and various other shit. Space marine upkeep isn't easy. It's a genetically and technologically altered superhuman made using tech that nobody since Corax has had access to, not even the Imperium. The Tau can barely comprehend the warp, but you want them to maintain fucking space marines.

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>>53106892
>The laser focus on one point

It's funny you think you had a point, the problem is the chapters tattle to their superiors and handle shit in house when ever possible. Other chapters might tattle to the Inquisition because they have no authority over the other chapter.

Then there's the whole Inquisition watches people and chapters tend to be something worth watching for corruption. Keep trying eventually you'll figure out how to not be retarded.

Also >>53106869

>>53107034
SMs only know those things. You think they'd run off to plow a field when their entire biology is built around war? He can never have a family, he'd outlive any normal humans/Tau by centuries, etc. He could never go off and have a normal life.

A corpse in a sarcophagus doesn't care about cancer at that point.

The main mechanical function they would service would be to have SM with superior ranged capabilities, albeit with less accuracy the further out you get, dreadnoughts with similar features, or you could think of them as Tau foot soldiers with enhanced armor.

>>53107051
>The Tau are advanced, but the admech has forgotten more than the Tau know.

Sure, but I'm mostly talking about put dirt into box->receive gun, and the tau have to put restrictors on their DirtGunBoxes when they give to human helpers. So obviously that stuff is pretty rad.

As the guy has an interest in stuff that replaces your stat line anyway I don't see much point. On the other hand, raving hobos in the wilderness seem to be able to maintain space marines, so who knows.

>>53107051
That's why the numbers of a chapter serving Tau would dwindle over time, and after some centuries would consist mostly of non altered human recruits with maybe a handful of veterans training them. It would force them to adapt their tactics and equipment, probably using more Tau auxiliary tech.

>>53107056
...which is why Space Wolves are being kept on a short leash and are not borderline heretical at all?

>>53107056

You seem a bit confused. Nobody is denying space marines can watch space marines for badness. The weak point in the storyline is indeed space marines, from who would stop it (space marines), to the fact that these people being space marines is so superfluous due to tau tech that the only point of adding space marines to tau stuff is probably to troll.

>the whole Inquisition watches people and chapters

Ok, but any Inquisition monitoring of an Astartes chapter is pretty much a unique gimmick or gizmo.

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>>53106968
>It is very rare for anything, even written from the Chaos point of view, to suggest that the CSM think that Chaos is "good" for humans.

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>>53107155

>retarded Tau cunt talks shit
>one single image blows him out

Toppest of keks. Did everyone forget the fucking heresy was started exactly because Lorgar saw them as the true gods?

Of course. Because Tau fans are ignorant weeb who know fuck all about the lore besides OMG JAPANESE BIG HUGE MECHS! Cunts.

>>53107155
Yeah, the Word Bearers are a bit of an odd duck in that and many other ways, including that I have seen them touted as the only Legion that works as a coherent thing anymore.

Even so, Word Bearers making any case that Chaos is "good" for humanity is still pretty uncommon, and tends to be borderline nonexistent for other CSM.

>>53107194

1 legion very VERY rarely thinking that Chaos is genuinely best for humanity doesn't disprove the fact that its very rare for CSM to even pretend Chaos is best for humans, and certainly doesn't blow anything out.

>>53107107
Yet are still fiercely loyal to the Emperor funny isn't it, also interesting to note how other chapters watch them because they fear they will go full chaos. Hell some are chomping at the bit to put them down.

>>53107108
>Entire organizations job is watching for corruption
>Unique gimmick or gizmo

There's are reasons the chapters hate the Inquisition, mostly because the Inquisition sticks its nose into chapter business whenever they feel like it. Which is a big no no in the eyes of the chapters.

Also this rolls back to the indoctrination to fanatic levels of brain washing. You can have one or two start to question, but anyone notices and it's off to have a talk and be saved one way or another.

Either way been fun enjoy your guy's Tau wank fantasy, hopefully you come up with solid reasons.

>>53105357
>Tau fags aren't happy with their own op shit
>Want to steal the op shit from other species too

Can't wait for some Necron lychguard to recognise the inherent superiority of the Greater Good too!

>>53107258
>>Entire organizations job is watching for corruption

That's their job (watching the whole Imperium for corruption) but the best the Inquisition has for monitoring SM for corruption is:

1. Geneseed (shit tier)
2. Hope there's a whistleblower (shit tier)
3. Go through the Admech (the Techmarine and his contacts in the Admech can probably figure out it out the same without them, so shit tier).

All of the methods the Inquisition has for monitoring the space marines are fucking terrible and depend on, basically, marines doing their job on their own.

> hopefully you come up with solid reasons.

Ok. SM don't need things like "reasons" to do a 180 on their entire personality (selfless servant to totally amoral space pirate that eventually winds up with Chaos), and his reasons certainly make at least an average amount of sense.

>>53107231
You lost. Click on /gif/, observe a hotglue thread, have a wank, and go to bed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxlrGDuk50o

>>53107231

>word bearers kick off the heresy and sre the embodiment of chaos undivided

>all nurgle factions think chaos is best due to life being shit and it all has to die so it is best for all life

>tzeentch followers believe chaos is best due to knowledge and magic, but can be backstabbers

>slaaneshi cultists think it's best to pursue perfection and extremes

>khornate cultists see it as best for survival of the fittest

>omg chaos doesnt think chaos is best

You can feel free to fuck off and go read the lore at any time. Even if you want to say that the god specific factions don't think chaos is best for humanity, all of chaos undivided sure does. Even Abaddon since he wants to rule over a chaos imperium.

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>>53107318
At least you tried, bro.

>>53107327

>You can feel free to fuck off and go read the lore at any time.

I don't suppose you can find *any* fluff for the Death Guard, Thousand Sons (other than Ahriman, who is openly defiant against Tzeentch), and the Emperor's Children claiming that what they do to people is good in any way? Mister "go read the lore," why don't you start.

Its a fine ASSUMPTION to think that CSM think they are somehow justified, but most Chaos quotes paint them as knowingly having no moral justification, even from their perspective.

>>53107327
>Even Abaddon since he wants to rule over a chaos imperium.

Its unclear at best what Abbadon wants. From the Black Legion supplement, based off the vision he receives of the future, he seems to want all humanity to die/be tortured forever and know perfectly well that Chaos is objectively bad for humans, and be working towards the destruction of his own species.

He's a rare bird in that he knows fully well submitting to Chaos is terrible *and that's why he doesn't want to do it*. He seemingly has no problem seeing all mankind exterminated, though perhaps he plans a double cross at the last minute.

>>53107355

Due to shitty writing. The entire fucking ideology behind chaos undivided is exclusively based on Lorgar's writings about how chaos was the true pantheon of gods after he became disillusioned when the Emperor punished him and he set off on that spirit journey to find the truth. And that what humans saw as chaos is actually good, and the only reason the Eldar and other species fell is for not being enlightened enough to accept them.

And even in your own example The Thousand Sons sure think they're in the right. Death Guard too, if only because, as I said, they think life is suffering and basically became militant Buddhists except with no reincarnation. As for Slaanesh, they do see chaos as best because that was why Fulgrim joined at all. He saw the pursuit of perfection as best. Maybe now his legion is a bunch of egotistical hedonists who put the DE to shame, but their original reason for fighting was to become more and more perfect.

>>53107422
>Due to shitty writing.

Sort of, but even that's not clear. Many people go "Oh, well 40k is just WHFB in space," but CSM and CW, despite aesthetic similarities, aren't all that analogous -- the two coexisted briefly (1e and 2e), and even CW without obvious mutations are fucking weird altogether; they don't seem to need sustenance, and more importantly, forget their former existences (or at least some lore claims that). They also are tremendously tough compared to a normal person, while CSM don't seem implied to be that physically changed from SM at all. Kinda more like Chaos Marauder analogs to SM.

>>53106826
>millions become astartes, on a yearly basis across imperium space. Of those, hundreds of thousands die on a year by year
The traditional estimate is a thousand chapters of a thousand marines.

>>53106976
That rather ignores the fact that the entire Astartes world view is about serving the Emperor by battling humanity's enemies. It's not an "eternal hell" to them, it's their life's work.

>>53105357
>he awakened from his Sus-An sleep to find himself amongst none but the dead

Can only be done by an apothecary. They don't auto-revive from that.

>No empire to order him, no weight of armor to restrain him, no weaponblade or gun to remind him. He took up the simple joy of farming, no authority, or responsibility, no victory to aspire to, no failure to be dissapointed by. Thus a year had passed.

Astartes are brainwashed as shit. Even Chaos marines still live essentially monastic lifestyles dedicated to war. When the first Emperor's Children fell to Slaanesh and became hedonists, while all the mortals around them were fucking or mutilating themselves, the Children just started slaughtering everything around them because they have no other emotional outlet.

All they're capable of anymore is warfare, everything else is stripped from them, particularly post-Heresy marines who are even more brainwashed than the pre-Heresy ones. Astartes are about as capable of retiring to start a farm as a Earthshaker cannon is.

>>53105357

While there is no shortage of renegade marines in general, Tau and the Imperium only interact on a few narrow fronts in small part of the galaxy. Which greatly limits the chances of conversion.

The most likely way space marines could work for/with Tau as an organized unit is if an entire detachment changed sides at once. For example after being put into a no-win situation by their superiors - which is how many renegade warbands get their start.

They would also be priority targets for the Deathwatch, no matter if they wanted to fight the Imperium or not.

So basically if Huron Blackheart can have hundreds of renegades then Tau might have a few dozen at most.


And on a related note: would mindshackle scarabs work on astartes?

>>53106051
>mostly /tg/ headcanon
Don't beat around the bush, it's entirely /tg/ headcanon.

Renegade space marines are all about their own freedom from the shackles of an empire that used them as weapons. Having them go right into supporting and working for another exploitative empire is backwards. The fact that the empire in question is an alien one makes it all the more ridiculous a concept.

>>53107919
>And on a related note: would mindshackle scarabs work on astartes?
yep

Forcible control like that is the only way to really get marines working under aliens. There are scattered examples of extreme parasitic infection also working, though the name of the species escapes me right now.

>>53107919
>would mindshackle scarabs work on astartes?

Yeah, from the crunch and fluff-wise, they're basically nanites directly interfacing with the victim's nervous system to control them like a puppet.

Against less advanced nano-tech, the marine's immune system might be able to kill the nanites eventually but I reckon living metal can take whatever super-white blood cells throw at it.

>>53106028
No. Just no.

Fuck off.

>>53107919
A few dozen Space Marines would also mean a complete lack of infrastructure to maintain their equipment.

So after a few months of combat, those Space Marines would just end up as really tall bulky humans.

Because they'd no longer have bolters, chainswords and CERTAINLY no power armour.

I could see the arguement of why you think the jump from SM to CSM is extreem, but your forgetting that every human in the galaxy firmly believe in the superiority of humanity and will only team up with Xenos if its a no win situation and teaming up with xenos is the only option for survival

>>53105357
im sorry but i just got trigger by "Susan sleep"

>>53108366
>Getting upset over the Susan membrane

I bet Lionel Johnson and Eldar calling you a monkey upsets you too.

>>53107084
>raving hobos in the wilderness seem to be able to maintain space marines
?

Even if you ignore the problems with the mechanical, biomechanical and organic upkeep of Space Marines...
>no more chaplain preaching daily
>no more psychoconditioning
>no more librarian checking their mind regularly

Yeah, that's asking for Chaos to fuck you in the ass.

>>53108479
Don't renegade marines generally fall to chaos because they find themselves without another influence but themselves? It's not a stretch to think a renegade marine surrounded by another xenos species "accepting" enough like the Tau to give them an alternate purpose would actually accept it.

Life is full of suffering. You work, can raise an ungrateful family, the wife can nag, the neighbors can be cunts and all that jazz but so long as its for a purpose, people can handle it. It's only when there's no purpose does suffering turn into despair.

Marines may be far removed from being ordinary humans, but it's a trait intrinsic to humanity. Even the Emperor and the Primarchs suffered from rage, jealousy, arrogance, pride and all that. So a marine can theoretically be saved from despair/turning to chaos by being given an alternate purpose. Not everyone who gets bullied decides to shoot up a school. Some become counselors to help others who experience it.

Don't think I could see a chapter go full on serving the greater good, but I could see one trading with tau for their tech or knowledge especially if that chapter was one that loves technology. Maybe an iron hands successor.

The problem isn't just with the marines joining tau because their marine sensibilities wouldn't allow it. It's also a problem of the tau accepting marines as allies for the long term. Short term allies maybe. I just don't see the tau being able to stomach the marine's brutal nature. Maybe in desperate battles they would ally, but I don't think the tau would allow it.

That isn't even looking it from the marine's perspective on things. The tau are generally pretty controlling of their allies and I doubt the marines who betray the imperium are in for that kind of servitude too.

>>53108640
Kroot eat their own dead, I doubt the Tau would have an issue with marines simply due to their warlike natures.

>>53108429
i do get very mad

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>People still don't grasp the concept of Your Dudes
Hell, there could be a SM who got brain damage while fighting Orks and joined them. The Orks find it funny how this now green painted Marine tries to be as orky as he can.

>>53108576
Renegade Marines fall to Chaos because there's no one keeping the voices of Chaos away.

Ever since the Horus Heresy began, Chaos is trying to convert EVERY Space Marine to Chaos.

That's why Space Marines have all those checks and balances in place to prevent them from going renegade, heretic or traitor.

Did you REALLY think Chaos would just ~stop~ trying to recruit a renegade Space Marine because he's working with Tau now? If only, it would only make it easier, because the Tau have no concept of Chaos or the Warp!

>what's with the eight-pointed star?
>oh, that's just something i made up myself. it looks cool right?

>dear diary, the space marine is integrating very well into the greater good! he's even begun repainting his armour in creative new ways!

>>53108792
You have a point but I maintain that a purpose is fairly universal. Chaos seduces with promises of power, belonging, vengeance etc. Faith in what you believe in has been proven to keep you from going rogue. Eldar in their Craftworldy beliefs. Tau in the Greater Good, Imperials in the Creed so on and so forth. Why is it difficult to entertain the idea that a marine (let's say f.ex from one of the legions that protects civilian life) would see the Imperium consistently betray that belief and gains respect and belief in the Tau philosophy because they actually do try and protect as oppose to leave their own guys for dead?

>>53108910
>Why is it difficult to entertain the idea that a marine (let's say f.ex from one of the legions that protects civilian life) would see the Imperium consistently betray that belief and gains respect and belief in the Tau philosophy because they actually do try and protect as oppose to leave their own guys for dead?
Because Space Marines don't fight for the Imperium.

They fight for the Emperor.

Remember, Space Marines aren't part of the Imperium. They're an independent military force that operates only under command of the Emperor. Given how the Emperor is comatose, that means they do their own thing.

>>53106928
This.

Reminder that people are okay with Space Marines joining a force that is actively attempting, at this very moment, to wipe out the Imperium of Man and this is totally fine despite the indoctrination, the hatred, etc..
Meanwhile Marines joining a force that is NOT attempting, at this very moment, to wipe out the Imperium of Man is insanity and makes no sense because a Marine would never go against the Imperium like that.

>>53109148
Actually, Chaos wants to keep the Imperium of Man intact. They just want to exchange the Emperor with Horus.

The Horus Heresy was a civil war, you fucking mongoloid.

>>53109174
>wants to keep the imperium of man intact
>intact
>Cadia

Try again if ancient history of the setting is the best you can do.

>>53108954
That doesn't stop some flavours of Marine from going out of their way to protect regular civilians, like the Space Wolves and the Salamanders. the Imperium and Humanity is the Emperor's "baby", so of course they protect it. A lot just kill the bad guys and fuck off though.

>>53105357
So this is how far Taufags are going. It wasn't enough that Tau get wanked to death in every single bit of lore to the point they are better than Imperial Assassin. Now Taufags are claiming that the Tau are as seductive, if not more, than the Chaos Gods. This faction was a mistake.

>>53109187
>what is the concept of the dark imperium

When Chaos wins, the Imperium will continue existing. They'll just worship the Chaos Gods instead of the Emperor.

>>53108710
kroot are also primitive

>>53109248
So the imperium will still exist, it'll just replace every central concept of the imperium (the emperor, abhorrence of the mutant, the xenos, the heretic, human supremacy over everything else including xenos and daemons, the rooting out of corruption, the devotion to the past and hatred of the new, the solidarity and comradeship of humanity to overcome external threats, etc etc) with something totally different that will likely burn itself out and leave a blackened husk that will be conquered by the other players of the galaxy?

Yeah, basically the imperium intact and slightly changed.

>>53108223
This has been addressed. Any battelfields they visit they pick clean of imperium equipment. What they can use, they do, where it is unavailable, they make due with what the Tau provide. Their weapons and equipment are retrofit with tau equipment where no substitute is available, and all their maintenance is handled by human Gue'vasa in between battles.

>>53109655
They do it by choice since technology failed them in the past.

>>53107397
>Its unclear at best what Abbadon wants. From the Black Legion supplement, based off the vision he receives of the future, he seems to want all humanity to die/be tortured forever and know perfectly well that Chaos is objectively bad for humans, and be working towards the destruction of his own species.

He saw a future in the supp but it doesn't say he wants it.

I will trust ADB who currently owns the right to write his character more than anything.

>>53109233
My god, do you have eyes in your head, or simply lack a brain to comprehend what they see? It's not a matter of seduction, it's a matter of being fed up. You take a soldier who still remembers being no one from a planet of nobodies, subject him to psychological conditioning, organic reconstruction, rip his entire world away from him, because remember kids, not all SM recruiting is on a voluntary basis, and replace it with a chapter of folks that he doesn't even necessarily like, these "brothers" are thrust upon him, and he is a slave of war for the next few centuries. But sure, be a dumbfuck and don't bother taking any of that into account.

>>53110538
Essentially these marines are a bunch of badass grampas. Think the guys from secondhand lions.

>>53108223

> Plenty of fluff where lone marines or small units on special missions go unsupported for years or longer.
> "B-but their armor would fall apart in a few months"
> Pretty sure there is fluff on marines that have fought for months without even sleeping, much less armor repairs.

Now ammo is going to be a serious problem. Even if they are close enough to Imperium space to scavenge, astartes grade bolters and grenades are not used by other imperial forces and loyalist marines are neither common nor easy to steal from.

>>53108431

Chaos warbands, especially Khornates with their "fight everything all the time" attitude.

I love how everyone forgot about ordo Astarte

>The guys meant to prevent Astarte to go rouge.

Play what you like, OP, I don't invest enough in this game to get butthurt about another player's fluff. If I could make a suggestion, maybe start the relationship between chapter and cadre, both stuck behind enemy lines, forced to work together against a common threat. Mutual respect builds between them as they find ways to work together.

>>53110803
Going rouge? Whats wrong with red? Its a good color! I don't see you harping on about the Blood Angels, cause that would require the Imperium to unfasten their lips from Sanguinius' rotting cock for more than 3 seconds!

>>53110687
The Tau can manufacture Space Marine gear easily since to them it's primitive junk.

>>53110909
And why would you even want a boltgun, when a plasma rifle is objectively better in every way? IF there were Tau Marines, I would upgrade their equipment a bit. At the very least give them pulse bolt shells, similar to how they upgraded Kroot rifles.

>>53110538
Except that's not the attitude of any space marines. You've been told this multiple times. They don't get "fed up" of war - they're built for it, almost as much as orks are. For instance renegades don't reject war, they reject the Imperium (or feel it has rejected them) as in the Badab war.

That's why falling to chaos is a relatively small change whereas retiring to a family and farm is not.

>>53110909
>Since SM gear is primitive junk to Tau
>Not a single 3+ save on any foot soldiers not in mechs
>or 2+ save with 6++ or 5++ invulnerable
>No grav guns
>No drop pods
>Rely on birds for melee
>Bikes don't even exist in Tau empire
I'm pretty I'm missing a few more

>>53111026
Oh
>No teleporters (which even the Orks had)
>No tech to limit psykers
>No ships that can travel through the warp
>No knowledge of dealing with imperial machine spirits
The Tau would have a hard time fixing imperial stuff especially since a techmarine would never willingly join this outfit

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>>53111074
>still insists machines have spirits instead of poorly understood AI
>Confuses " hey guise, lets pile more plates on for more protection" with technological innovation
>forgets that grav guns are extremely rare pieces of tech that arent mass deployed because superstitious nonsense of the backwards Mechanicus
> Bikes don't exist because wheels are for Gue'la who havent mass produced superior antigrav tech
> thinks Melee is actually a viable alternative in the face of superior firepower
>hasnt even mastered Plasma to the point where they can equip their line infantry with stable plasma weapons.
> yfw you watch a marine explode because their plasma sucks so bad
Gue'la please

>>53111074
Nah man they just break their indoctrination and seize the means of- I mean join the greater good. They totally will wake up and see how their life is shit with no one to interfer with them attempting to leave because commun- I mean the greater good is obviously the best option and they can totally settle down and farm.

I'm pretty sure I thought of this in a dream but might be true. GW pretty much said that thanks to warp fuckery and the fact that the universe is just god damm huge and has been going on so god damm long every game you have played might be canon or at the very least a misrecorded report stashed away in someone's mountain of paperwork

So fuck it, if 100 baneblades can get lost then why not 100 marines?

>>53106028
Nope, just no.

Humanity has a superiority complex and sees Tau as perky inferior try-hards. Turing Guardsmen is fine SM is pushing it

>>53111464
Thank you, anon, for your open-minded viewpoint.

>>53106061
Can Tau offer superior sex, drugs and rock and roll than what the Dark Eldar offer.

In hindsight that's an premier example of derpy lore. How old is it?

>>53111563
This. I've always thought it would be more interesting to fluff up a tau cadre that allows bonded tau/human fireteams

>>53106116
That's said Space Marine Xenophobia sticks whatever their allegiance.

>>53106921
Eldar were far too busy fucking themselves to give a fuck about the galaxy. And all their best shit was in their crone worlds.

>>53107210
>Even so, Word Bearers making any case that Chaos is "good" for humanity is still pretty uncommon
They own the biggest cults and have billions of converts that serve them that are still alive. They spread the word that humanity is meant to serve chaos, and everything else is futile.

>>53111412
>Machine Spirits don't exist eveb though multiple points in theore state that it does, with Titans and Land Raiders showing full sentience but not bowing to the forces of chaos.
>"Confuses More plates=more protection" except putting more things between you and danger is how protection works
>Grav guns
>"Superior Anti Grav tech" meanwhile Tau loses to White Scars, on the table and in the lore
>"Thinks melee can't beat pure firepower" except that the Tau are currently shitting their pants due to oncoming tyranid invasion in which the tyranids will most likely win by ripping them apart in melee
>"Stable plasma" except that theirs melta wgich better than plasma
>Tau didn't even invent combi weapons
You guys don't even have psykers, literally people who channel the most powerful force in the universe and bend it to their will to what the fuck ever they want
>but they blow up
Ok? In exchange for what? summoning a demon or completely destroying the opponent? Theirs a reason why Thousand son is psychic spam is better then Tau currently,
Also Tau have zero real artillery and I have never heard of a Tau siege. Have fun talking about surperior firepower when your down to your last planet and have to defend it from the likes of siege experts hitting you with guns that outrange everything you have equipped to crisis suits.
Besides you have a slight range that's easily overpowered by standard Guardsmen, with or without all the tanks, planes and big guns that come with them

>why doesn't this 40K thing have omniscient understanding of game lore and act in a way that suits my tastes?
I have no idea anon.

fwiw its your doods so do whatever, I wouldn't expect many people to think its as cool as you do though. You'd probably have an easier time with a single marine from the Damocles crusade or something like that being left for dead, gone rouge-as-in-red-as-in-commie-as-in-taumeme, etc. and playing it in one of the rpgs.

Corrupting a bunch of marines basically needs magic. The idea of tau is they're not magic, they're reason. So naive and doomed in the grim darkness. Don't try to think of joining chaos as a rationally maximized choice to aid a larger philosophy/idealized end on scale, it doesn't really do that. Its selfish individualism to contrast the selfless humanism of the imperium.

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>>53105357
The galaxy is a large place. Through the novels and codices, we have witnessed individual space marines express a variety of opinions, despite identical training and teaching. We also have hundreds of insignificant fractional successor chapters from dozens of foundings. We even have two entire legions and primarchs so mysterious and unaccounted for that players only know of them by the gaps they leave in when listing the original twenty legions by their number.

We have seen individual marines question every aspect of Imperial policy yet not fall to chaos. We have seen individuals who have "honorably" allowed xenos to escape purge after working together. We have rogue individuals discarding their armour and retiring or serving Rogue Traders. We have seen chapters who have a less intense indoctrination procedure, entire chapters that have turned to piracy, and there are chapters that favor helping civilians and innocents more than others, chapters of mutants, chapters of psychers, and chapters that replace their flesh with machine and worship tech.

We have seen relatively civil discussion between Marines and xenos. We have for the first time in the game's history a primarch returned to the 41st millennium, resurrected by xenos, who has recently declared a new crusade that calls out Mutants, Traitors, and Heretics as enemies of the empire, but not xenos.

Every idiot in this thread saying it's impossible hasn't got a fucking clue what they're talking about. They're Your Dudes, anon, proceed as you wish.

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>>53112255
Aye, Captain. Now I need to get some models, and watch the heads roll at my local game shop.

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>>53105357
Despite the Large Galaxy argument, I think it is unlikely that there'd be enough Space Marine converts to fill out a platoon, let alone a whole chapter. Chances are better that any few Space Marines or even Sisters of Battle that have individually converted to the Tau are unlikely to be consolidated into an individual force, but are more likely to be distributed amongst the rest of the gue'vesa. I think the Tau would favor using their training and experience to serve as instructors or leaders, or some other commissar equivalents to other humans, instead of just being bundled and used as a hammer the way the imperium does.

>>53112255
The Emperor's original vision was that any xenos who were willing to be useful or submissive would be welcomed into the imperium. That's why the only people who lose their shit over jokaero are the inquisitors roaming around with bunch of them in a party vans doing drive-bys.

>>53112522
It IS a very small chapter. less than 500. Squads are typically seen fighting on the front lines, with support from guevasa behind them, and battlesuits behind them. They are the sword and the shield before the cannon. Before they pack it up at the end of the day to go enjoy some space potato pie.

The AM "purifies" "corrupted" STC tech from the Tau. Could the Tau do the same to captured SM geneseed for implantation into gue'vesa?

>>53112696
the tau don't need space marines though. The crisis suit is their MEQ and the riptide their TEQ. Broadsides would be centurions or something.

>>53112696
No because you need an exact genetic match to have even a small chance of it working in the current year in 40k. Back in 30k when the emperor was still kicking he could make a space Marine of whoever he pleased but knowledge has been lost. Also I've never seen the Tau do anything biological. It's all electrical mechanical from what I've seen

>>53112696
STCs are specifically from Dark Age of Technology. It does not describe Tau tech.

And probably not. A lot of imperial tech is well beyond either Imperial or Tau understanding. And i don't think the Tau would be inclined to research geneseed.

>>53108640
but I could see one trading with tau for their tech or knowledge especially if that chapter was one that loves technology
and i could see that chapter never get a single resupply or trained techmarine from the mechanicus ever again, that is if it doesn't get minotaured before the next resupply that was planned

>>53106061
iskander khayon is also, at present, the pinnacle of ADB's waifufaggotry.

and I say this as someone who still likes ADB.

>>53112986
ABD should be kept away from chaos factions that aren't kicked dogs. His dadhurt always shows.

>>53112737
They have Kroot for melee defense but they are really more like scouts/recon. They have breachers for storming positions but Marines would probably be better at both tasks if they could get them. I could see Marines serving really well for Farsight's style of war.

>>53112779
I'd imagine that genetic testing would be part of the reverse engineering. But you are right about not having great biotech. Maybe research into Kroot adaptation could help bridge the gap?

>>53112818
Hence the quotations. I meant reverse engineering. If the AM can do it with their general prohibitions against it can't the Tau also?

>>53112537
That's not true at all.

>>53111074
>No knowledge of dealing with imperial machine spirits

There is no such thing as machine spirits, dum dum. It's just AI. The Necrons and Tau have hacked into Imperial tech before and controlled it.
>>53111026
Only psychic/warp-tech.

The rest the Tau can manufacture.

>>53113346
Nope, absolutely true. He didn't see the species mixing (probably because "not being able to mix outside this group" is the definition of species), but he definitely saw accommodation and alliance.

Sources:
- Gaunt's Ghosts: Necropolis
- Fabius Bile: Primogenitor
- Black Crusade: Hand of Corruption

>>53111741
>>Machine Spirits don't exist eveb though multiple points in theore state that it does, with Titans and Land Raiders showing full sentience but not bowing to the forces of chaos.

Bullshit. It's just AI. Khayon explains it and it has no supernatural origin. It's just AI like I said.

Necrons and DAoT Super computer in Death of Integrity who have zero spirituality, have taken control of the "machine spirits" of Imperial tech all while proclaiming that there is no such thing as machine spirits. You proved yourself as dumb as the Admech Luddites.

>>"Superior Anti Grav tech" meanwhile Tau loses to White Scars, on the table and in the lore

The Tau royally thrashed the White Scars in Damocles round 2.

>>"Thinks melee can't beat pure firepower" except that the Tau are currently shitting their pants due to oncoming tyranid invasion in which the tyranids will most likely win by ripping them apart in melee

Pulling things out of your ass? There is no major Hive fleet near the Tau especially now that they are surrounded by Necrons and the Hadex Anatomy/Great Rift.

Tau relied on big suits to take care of the Tyranids. So i don't see where you think that melee is a solution to fighting the Tyranids. It's extra dumb to engage the Tyranids in melee where they are second only to the daemons. Using the mobility of their armies, the Tau should run circles around the Tyranids and maximise the damage. I guess that's why the Tau are the best guys at killing splinter fleets.

>>"Stable plasma" except that theirs melta wgich better than plasma
>>Tau didn't even invent combi weapons
Those are non-points.

>You guys don't even have psykers, literally people who channel the most powerful force in the universe and bend it to their will to what the fuck ever they want

Technology is more than capable of defeating psykers. If the Tau were incapable of handling them then they would have lost long ago against the Tyranids and Imperium.

>>53113626
>Also Tau have zero real artillery and I have never heard of a Tau siege.

Missles, aircraft, orbital bombardment.

Dude, seriously, the Tau most recent and important lore is about them besieging a heavily defended Hiveworld. You know how long it took them to conquer i mean liberate the world? A single fucking day. All the Hive cities that were turned to fortresses fell one by one. This was a shock to the Imperium because the Tau set a new record. There is no faction in the setting that conquered a Hive World in a single day.

>Besides you have a slight range that's easily overpowered by standard Guardsmen,

Dude, Agrellan round two had the Tau making a joke of the Imperial Guard. Of all the factions out there you used the faction the the Tau recently curbstomped to the ground the hardest.

>>53113711
Man, that's it, Guilliman had better declare fealty to the Greater Good or it's over for the Imperium.

>>53113214
>Maybe research into Kroot adaptation could help bridge the gap?
> Not having a kroot geneticist team.

>>53112255
this guy gets it

>>53112255
Sheit, reading this makes me feel how I wish /tg/ made me feel all the time.

>>53113469
>There is no such thing as machine spirits, dum dum
There are, especially the older and bigger machines. They go insane and can be corrupted by the warp. They have been featured in fluff and novels several times. Navigators and titan Pilots have to struggle for control most of the time.

>>53114778
Learn to differentiate between Machine Spirits and War Spirits please.

Machine Spirits are just AI.

War Spirits are the Warp reflections of the weapons and machines that eventually evolve into limited sentience the more the machine/weapon spills blood and kills.

>>53114816
No such thing as a War Spirit you bullshit spouting idiot. Machine spirits aren't AI either.

>>53115029
>No such thing as a War Spirit you bullshit spouting idiot.

picture related.

Apologise to me now.

>Machine spirits aren't AI either.

Yes, they are.

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Forgot my picture.

>>53114586

Feeling like you got jerked off? Because all he did was wank Tau cock like a desperate whore.

>>53115159
Do you think any of this isn't jerking off?

So thus far, these marines have the following acquisitions from their new people:

Crisis suit jet packs, scaled down, configured for marine armor reactor power, and used in place of jump packs

When bolters run dry, phase cannons

a battalion of Gue'vasa, armed and armored to assist, pilot ships, and act as an adhoc admech.

at least one dreadnought, broken down, and retrofit with riptide components

somewhere between 300-500 marines age somehwere between 200-1000 year old.

Any other ideas as to what these guys could have to them?

>>53106061
>ADB

>>53106588
Eldar aren't an Imperial protectorate, idiot.

They're just way too difficult to wipe out (with all other threats considered) and they're the "most" friendly of all the Xenos - and even then they're an enemy just as often as an ally because they hate humans just as much as humans hate Eldar.

Even the modern Gathering Storm fluff makes it pretty clear that the Eldar/Human alliance is shaky at best, and almost certainly temporary.

>>53106701
>but rather whether the Tau would tolerate them running around unsupervised in their space.

They absolutely would not. They're terrified of Space Marines - those who actually comprehend what a Space Marine is - and barely trust base humans. They're not going to trust any human who's a genetically enhanced killing machine who lives over ten times the lifespan of a standard Tau.

>>53106935
>Well, all those precautions demonstrably don't prevent some marines from defecting to Chaos, so why not xenos too?

You're kind of missing the crucial bit of information that Chaos is literally a corrupting force, that can turn you into Cosmic Evil JUST by being in near proximity to it. No being is safe from it, which is why everybody in the Imperium watches so goddamn close for it and takes brutally swift action when it raises its head. It can literally corrupt you permanently with just a whisper. Even Horus, Warmaster of the Imperium, was seduced by it.

The Tau offer NOTHING in comparison to what Chaos can offer in theory, because the reality it's usually pretty horrific, so the idea of a Space Marine chapter joining the Tau is...well, just laughable.

>>53108748
Awesome

You are retarded and should feel bad for posting this shit thread you retarded faggot.

>>53119241
and yet, three hours after this thread was left for dead, you felt the need to resurrect it, just to shame me, thereby exposing more people to it, some of whom agree with me that it's a neat idea.

Also, as of 6th ed this was a legal option, so clearly I can't be that wrong if the very makers of the game, at one time anyway, agreed with me.

So tactically speaking, would the Tau approve of, and provide the means for an exterminatus event?

>>53120091
I'm guessing they might against the orks or bugs. Both have shown themselves to be mindless beasts of war. As for how?

Killer moon base

>>53106164
I think you mean Guilliman-Eldar

>>53120166
>chubbycutemexicanchild.jpg

If chaos united is gearing up, I'm down for a united nations of 40k.

>>53120166
>chubbycutemexicanchild.jpg

If chaos united is gearing up, I'm down for a united nations of 40k.

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>>53115159
That was a post about Space Marines. Tau aren't even mentioned in Picard's post.

so equipment wise after a bit they'd best be described as patchwork marines. Both because their equipment is acquired through dubious means, damaged components that cannot be repaired are replaced by whatever is on hand, be it the armor of a corpse, or a Tau equivalent, and because it is so incredibly rare that any of them have ever met prior to their defection, as they are almost without exception, all originally from different chapters originally. A Salamander here, an Ultramarine there, a space wolf somewhere around here.

>>53124005
>a space wolf

hmmm

Ooh, Ooh, can we refer to them as the Adeptus Bastartes chapter?