Female space marines

Nah.

I won't allow it, nope.

Unless a canonic reason comes into play.

Source: www.pantmonger.tumblr.com

>>53097812
No.

>>53097812
You can't tell me what to do.

>>53097812
Her hair makes her more of a thot than a warrior

>>53097812
No.

>>53097812
They are females who are space marine.

Sounds good to me

>>53097812

>That pic

stupid haircut

>Female space marines

A potentially interesting plot hook or story. Someone goes against the tenets of the machine cult and likely pisses off astartes everywhere in an attempt to modify gene-seed to increase the number of space marines in the imperium. The ensuing clusterfuck is best watched from a safe distance.

Female space marines would, after all the training and biological enhancement, look virtually identical to make marines unless you took off the armor and looked very closely.

They wouldn't look remotely attractive and certainly wouldn't have hair stylists.

>>53097812
Unless their is actual reasoning that makes sense instead of just girl power than fine, more people will turn out to my LGS and i don't have a problem with women

If not fuck off

Meh, as long as they don't use powerheels im fine.

>thicc musclegirls
I'm okay with it.
>men with vaginas
No.

>>53097856
Why is her neck 8 miles long

>>53097917
>>53097856
>>53097812
Ugly

>female marines
Why the fuck not. But also, it would be silly considering there's already Battle Sisters.

>>53097826
Haircut is a dead giveaway that this picture came from tumblr...that and feminist undertone

>>53097812
It's possible but highly unlikely. A chapter would still need the ability to do testing for gene seed compatibility. Even so, it's still a rare chance for a female to carry the entire combination of genes to be fully compatible. It's far more likely for males to be compatible.

So, without being able to test, a chapter will not risk killing or maiming women and/or losing gene seed on the million to once chance you might find a compatible woman. Better to lose a handful of men. BUT, if a chapter can do compatibility tests before gene seed implanting, then they can check both men and women and train only the compatible before hand, and occasionally such a chapter will get a female space marine or two.

Or just say your lost primarch was female and your chapter has the opposite issue. It's why so many home made chapters have Samus Aran or an obvious Expy as their primarch.

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>>53097812
The Emperor has already made his position on this clear.

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>>53097812
>Discuss /tg/

>Sisters without everything that makes Sisters awesome

I'd prefer them making their existing female army more diverse and viable.

>>53097812
>>53097856
I know complaining about proportions on SMs is a minefield but don't those legs look weird to anyone else?

>>53097957
Battle Sisters are just gaurds in cheap power power armor and with completely different stuff going on. On the one hand they are like an in between of Guardsman and Astarte. On the other hand as a branch of the Echlesiarchy they are also going to draw from a completely different infrastructure and implement themselves in different ways. Only female Astarte or Guardsmen would actually be Guardsman or Astarte, but female.

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>>53097998

>Battle Sisters are just gaurds in cheap power power armor and with completely different stuff going on. On the one hand they are like an in between of Guardsman and Astarte.

That's their appeal, to me.

>>53097970
>if a chapter can do compatibility tests before gene seed implanting
all chapters do that
Literally all of them. That was the largest reform added with the codex astartes.

99.99% of (male) applicants get filtered out before any geneseed fuckery gets into the picture, because if something fucks up, there's the minuscule chance that the geneseed itself will be compromised, which is a risk the chapter absolutely cannot afford to take.

>occasionally such a chapter will get a female space marine or two.
Not even a chance.

Hey reddit!

>>53097812
>GW will use the Space Marines to shoehorn in women when 40k is already pretty diverse
wtf I love Chaos now???

>>53097995
The entire thing is weird. Their faces aren't quite right, they fill out the suits like they were injection molded or something, they're bow-legged, the faces look like shit.

It's generally just bad.

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>>53098040
Yes, join us. We are way more progr... I mean, accepting, than those silly imperials.

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>>53097856
>That womanlet marine

Do you know what's worse than a dimension of endless alternate hells filled with guro-vore rape daemons made out of STDs, countless trillions of genocidal aliens who never sleep and never stop trying to murder your race, burning ten thousand unlucky souls into dust every day to merely survive, orphans conscripted into becoming ruthless brainwashed soldiers and the backbone of your society, having your dead be the daily meals of citizens and soldiers alike, all of your cultural, scientific, and technological knowledge being slowly lost over time, and 23 hour workdays without breaks being normal workday for anyone over 12?

That's right. Patriarchy.

Guillimarines will be both male and female. I'm calling it now - they've been made to make female space marines a reality.

>>53098110
Female Squats

>>53098131
This one actualy doesn't look half bad.

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>>53097825
Pretty sure this is laying the groundwork.

>>53098020
So they retconned it from "We can't do tests so we don't risk females" to "We can all do tests, females are just legit not compatible, despite that not being how DNA works, it is ENTIRELY Y chromosome dependent and we don't feel like explaining how."? Well sorry for my info being out of date. I don't like the change though.

...or is this the new /tg/ism since /tg/ has always had it's own space marine lore in conflict with the canon, the canon also shifting from time to time.

>>53098179
Save for the hair.

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>>53098182
>>53098155
If this happens, the autismnado of epic proportion that will assblast /tg/ will be a delight for my eyes.

>>53097967
What if i told you the artist is a 40 year old man?

>>53098011
Oh yeah, I like it too. Just saying to the guy replied to that they are not female space marines. They're actually closer to squats, but human women instead of dwarf men and with Kill It With Fire as their SOP.

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>>53098155

Wouldn't that make them being Sigmarine transplants in 40k too obvious?

They're bigger and stronger than normal marines so would be fun to see it though.

>>53098208
Surely you can post a source for your claim, which others could refute. And if they can't, it would give you your answer.

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>>53098129

>>53097856
>DAUGHTERS OF PERSPECTIVE

>>53098131
>>53097917
THE GODDAMN PIERCING.
I COULDN'T CARE LESS FOR THE REST BUT THE GODDAMN PIERCING.

ITS JUST SO MILD.

>>53098219
I'd say that he needs to spend way more time drawing bodybuilded dykes, and less time fapping on them.

>>53097812
We don't want them finding a way to get preggers and challenge humanity.

>>53098208
>they retconned it from
genetic compatibility tests have been part of the creation of a space marine since the 80's, when space marines were originally created

> the canon also shifting from time to time.
Literally nothing about the process has been changed. It is one of the few, if not the only part of the setting that is word for word identical to how it was in rogue trader.

space marines have always been all-male

>>53098260
Ok I've thought this over hard but I do have a good reason for supporting it.

Think of the rule 34.

>>53097812
Can we discuss the dude that got fuckin doxxed over this yet

>>53098268
Ah, so you're wrong.

No, post heresy chapters have lost the ability to test as part of the technology lost. It's also why you have chapters with corrupted gene seed and lost gene seed. Good to know they didn't change it and you're just wrong.

>>53097812
Hi No Man, I'm Dad :^)

>female space marines
>not looking like a regular space marine

>>53098301
Not any of those guys, but can you source any of this. Sounds interesting.

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>>53098275
Even better - a good way to get canonical chaos marines waifus.

Just do it already, GW.

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>>53098301
>Ah, so you're wrong.
fuck off you ignorant cunt

here's rick priestley's description of the creation of a space marine, from WD98 (1988). It's unchanged to this day, and has been reprinted in, I believe, every single edition of the game.

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>>53097812
This is an old topic.

>>53097812
Would even if they were possible, look exactly as normal space marines, perhaps a bit skinnier. All you would and will ever get, are some bunch of high aggresive, extreme muscular women with shaved heads. If you want to play it as your army and modify them or play them in a RPG with House Rules and it is fun to you, then its fully okay and keep enjoying it. But,just from the fluff its will never work and even if, it wouldn't accomplish anything.

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In powered some, nobody knows you're a woman

Nobody

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>>53097812
If we're gonna go do this, you've got to keep it in the spirit of 40k: unpleasant, bitter, hopeless, etc. Trying to go for some triumphant sense of empowerment is utterly missing the point, as well as the nature of what it means to be a space marine.

Really, a female space marine would be almost indistinguishable from a male, save perhaps a different hip width. She'd still be a beefy, scarred, lumpy ass weapon of war that's too busy thinking about mulching the Emperor's foes to be concerned with any sort of personal autonomy or aspirations. Probably bald too since that seems to be ever present in marines.

This isn't so much to say they're equal or some kind of message there so much as space marines are inhuman beasts of war, and the very concept of equality would be irrelevant to them entirely.

TL;DR Kinda pointless whichever point you're in favor of, especially when there's no shortage of women in the rest of the 40k universe. GW is just too lazy to make new Cadian sculpts and too hellbent on marketing to have art depict characters that don't exist in sculpts already. Anybody who knows all this and is still trying to push for female space marines is just trying to get it for the sake of having a semantic victory.

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>>53098475
This.

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>>53097856
>>53097812
>space marines, uncaring warrior monks, give a shit about there now useless genitals
In all reality, wouldn't the gene therapy not only render you sterile, but also change hormones so they would all look pretty similar body wise.

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>>53097998
>are just gaurds in cheap power power armor
pic related. Either you know too little about the setting for your opinion to matter, or you're trying to start shit.
Here's a second (you) for your troubles though.

>>53097998
Sisters of Battle are more like Tempestus. Similar stats and armour.

>>53097812
Might make sense for specialist purposes if you need fighters with the traits of an Astartes but less size, more flexibility, and better multitasking/communication skills at baseline.
At that point though I'd wonder whether or not it would be efficient to apply the same process of genetic modification/augmentation, if you're building for strength, physical and mental toughness, and capacity for fighting you start with men because they express those traits more at baseline than women.

You'd probably get a much higher attrition rate in your human stock, which would waste capable women better suited to less physically punishing forms of warfare.

>>53098218
Exactly.

>>53097812
Honestly, I say fuck it. Space Marines aren't human anymore anyways, and I expect that any real differences between males and females would get ironed out in the Space Marine production process. Muh lore gets retconned regularly enough to barely be a problem (Unless you are honestly expecting to argue that changing your mind on whether one chromosome makes or breaks a Human to a Marine is a bigger deal than a race of Ancient-Egyptian-Skeleton-Robot-Terminators going from totally omnicidal "Kill everything, we are legion" to "lolnope we have individual motives" in one edition). So long as we don't get pretty marines, and end up with at least androgynously masculine features, I say what's the problem?

The only real complication that might arise is that the SoB looses players who wanted to play the "girl" faction, which honestly might be a perk, all things considered.

>>53098131
>shoulders aren't wide enough
>head's too big.

>>53097812
>that retarded arrogant tuff gurl expression

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>>53097812
Honestly, with all the physical, genetic, mental, and cybernetic changes space marines get before being deployed, i don't see how female astartes would be functionally any different than their male counterparts. I think it would be interesting to show the two end results being virtually identical, to emphasize how dehumanizing the space marine creation process is, and how these people are like flesh golems crafted and brainwashed into a very specific mold.

>>53097982
\thread

>>53098832
Most Astartes retain their humanity anon. Female Space Marines as a concept is just inherently shoehorned shit that shitposters push for the sake of shitposting.

>>53098832
Better yet, the voices don't change at all and some old characters come out and say they've been female the whole time.

>"brother, I have been meaning to tell you."
>"yes, brother?"
>"I was born female, please stop calling me brother."
>"I will not brother."

>>53098846
>Female Space Marines as a concept is just inherently shoehorned shit that shitposters push for the sake of shitposting.

How is it shitposting?

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>>53097812
I fucking refuse.

>>53098728
>if you need fighters with the traits of an Astartes but less size, more flexibility, and better multitasking/communication skills at baseline.

So killing machines that are less good at fighting, more prone to infections, less pain resistent, but better at listening to someone's feelings while doing something else at the same time.

Makes a lot of sense and doesn't feel forced at all, bruh.

What's the imperative to have them in the first place? Muh huge female demographic? Fuck no, we don't need a male protagonist in sex and the city and we don't need female space marines. There's already female warriors, not everything has to be gendered.

>>53098858
How is it not?

>>53097812
Sure, why not

>>53097812
>that pic
>tumblr head on space marine body


I wonder who could behind this. Biggest projection I have ever seen, at least male space marines look nothing like the nerds who play them.

>>53098863
>not everything has to be gendered.

So marines aren't gendered? You're assuming the default gender is male and that's somehow less of a problem than having a choice between male and female units in a wargame?

I mean I get 'muh canon' but the amount of bending over backward to justify kneejerk anti-tumblism is retarded

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I think the silliest part of all this is that the majority* of women don't even like miniature wargames so female space marine would have no positive impact on the sales of little plastic dudes.

*In my experience and the recorded experience of multiple online accounts, expert and otherwise

>>53098218
Why? Just because super-special NuMarines get female members does not make standard Marines into female. I don't understand this comparison.

>>53098923
That's always a thing with everything "progressive" SJWs push: it never actually matters in sales.

SJWs don't actually play these things.

>>53098911
>>53098911
>not shaving your head and mounting coke cans to your brow

>>53098940
>not surgically replacing your head with a lumpy sack of potatoes

>>53098858
It's shitposting because 99.99% of people who ever wanted female marines want pretty marines, beautiful females in power armor with ridiculous looking boobplate. It would sell a fuck load of models to lonely nerds but it would shit all over what little is left of the lore.

Doing hypermasculine female SM, on the other hands, would piss of the nerds, because they'd be ugly, and thus sell. It'd also be completely unnecessary because if they're going to be hypermasculine why even have them in the first place?

Let's hear your best arguments for why not

>>53098959
changing things for the sake of fictional inclusivity doesn't make sense

>>53098959
The lore has it that Space Marines can only be males.

>>53098959
>muh canon
>muh feels
>I need a safe space from those evil SJWs
>muh fee fees
>etc

There done

>>53098959
see
>>53098923

>>53098922

Gendering in the sense of gender ideology obviously, cuck.Persueing equal representation in everything, no matter how forced, even if it is a WW2 shooter.

I think there's no different usage of that word.

Space Marines are all male, the sisterhood all female. Cry me a river. It's a retarded concept. Women are overall weak, women overall refuse to participate in real combat (working behind the lines as a glorified assistant is not combat). The only bending over is to represent them differently in fantasy settings that are highly based on real life archetypes and tropes.

>>53098922
a marine's gender is marine

>>53098959

Because you couldn't show bleak violence against women.

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>>53097812
>>53098959


They are already female, but the hormone and surgical treatment left their physical appearance in a state that doesn't conform to your gender roles, bigot.

>>53098999
Then what about all the Sisters of Battle getting horribly murdered?

>>53099033

Barely remember one artwork depicting that.

>>53099033
That's ok because they have Nazi haircuts

>>53097812
The two lost primarchs were Carah Sonnor and Amus Saran. Their gene-daughters keep their helmets on.

>>53099114
one of the Lost didn't even meet their legion and the other was purged by Russ and maybe Horus.

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>>53097812

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#1: To get the obvious out of the way, women aren't cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l_mRgSCBAQ

#2: Women are physically weaker. The idea of a Space Marine is to be physically powerful. Mentally, too. But also as physically powerful as possible, so if there are female Space Marines, it means they'll be second rate to their male equivalents. Try to do mental gymnastics all you like, the fact remains that sports are segregated by gender for a reason.

#3: Space Marines are supposed to be in short supply; a rarity. "Less than one Astartes for every planet in the Imperium". If you introduce female Space Marines, then they are just one successful genetic experiment away from being able to procreate. Imagine Space Marine babies. Space Marine families. This is where we'll be headed. I'm sure that if female Space Marines ever do become a thing they'll have to make it clear that all Space Marines are sterile and that there's no way to change that, but at that point it'll just sound like an excuse.

#4: Part of the atmosphere of 40k is that there are elements of fantasy to it, like Knight households, noble houses, feudal worlds, daemons, and a prominence of close combat. Another such element is the idea of Space Marines being a warrior brotherhood, there's a heavy emphasis of it. Take that away and then all of a sudden affirmative action and quotas have just made their way into 40k.

I hope this helps.

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>>53098911
Here's your artist.

www.pantmonger.tumblr.com

He's a cuck.

>>53097826
>>53097812

Daily reminder this pantmonger guy behind the female space marines pictures literally tried to get a GW employee fired, for saying they don't want to make 40k politicized

>>53098863
I'm not saying it makes much sense at all, I'm trying to play devils advocate. If you had read literally the next sentence you'd have noticed that I agree with you.

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If you want the honest truth, literally all women would fail the physical requirements of Space Marine recruits unless they had a terrible endocrine problem, which would disqualify them anyway.

You have to be in the top 1% of the top 1% to even get the gene therapy, and a lot of men don't even survive that. Space Marine recruits have to operate at a physical level that women literally cannot reach due to biological differences.

It's the same reason women don't play competitive sports against men, they almost always lose.

>>53099182
"Let me work for you you sexist pigs!"

>>53097812
Do Space Marines have cocks? Thought they were bioengineered. How effective is a killing machine if it needs to piss and could be seduced?

>>53099279
>How effective is a killing machine if it needs to piss and could be seduced?
judge dredd manages just fine

>>53099172
>Auto cannon and Cyclone missle launcher on the same model

Assault Cannon, and it wasn't abuse, it was literally a valid rule in the same way Ork Nobz could allocate wounds differently.

>>53099279
Hyperion the Grey Knights is very well endowed.

On the other hand, they are brainswashed and more or less chemically castrated, so they feel little to no drive, depending.

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>>53099273

Woah! Biology is so sexist!

Let's create a 'science' that fixes this and call it gender 'science'

>>53099308
Too bad you couldn't fire both of them, since CML only allowed you to fire a storm bolter with the CML.

>>53099182
Daily reminder: pantmonger has posted said GW employee's face on his twitter all because the employee disagreed with his art. His name is Michael Fitzhywel.

https://mobile.twitter.com/pantmonger?lang=en

>>53099172
>writing an entire pamphlet for what amounts to 'fuck off'

Why is it the rabid lefties that get all verbose? Even the far right understands brevity.

>>53099306
I can't recall Dredd ever free falling from orbit onto a planet infested with millions of Orks or fighting (w)hordes of titty bespeckled daemons, but then again I haven't read much Dredd.

>>53098959

Because it adds nothing to the setting besides making people who don't play the game nor would start playing the game feel like they accomplished something while driving away people who actually play the game.

>>53099279
>How effective is a killing machine if it needs to piss and could be seduced?

Broski, your body needs to piss with or without a dick. Are you posting from elementary school's computer class?

>>53097812
That picture is horribly drawn.

>>53099321
Exactly, it's why the choice of doing so was so pointless anyway.

This was at the time Cyclones needed to drop the Power fist too wasn't it?

>>53099338
judge dredd's arrested batman for vigilantism

he gets a free pass on power level bullshit

>>53099279
They probably retain it simply out of some respect for the basic human form, also why waste time with an unnecessary surgery?

>>53098930
nu-marines will be better in pretty much every way, meaning that female nu-marines will be better than regular marines. Hence glorious shit flinging and much salt will ensue.

Two years of not browsing /tg/ and this thread still pops up.

>>53099354
Oh, you're talking so far back. Didn't some newer DA rules let you do that combo as well? Also, giving a TH&SS dude a CML. My favorite still is the 4e DA and CSM captain/lord, who could have a combi-bolter, pair of lighting claws and a plasma pistol all at the same time. Also, 5e SW terminator with assault cannon and Mark of the Wulfen for Rending everything.

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>>53099389
It's like an old friend at this point.

>>53099383
Yeah, but why waste time making female nu-marines when you could instead make even BETTER male nu-marines?

Every geneseed wasted on a femarine is a geneseed not spent on a stronger manrine.

>>53099392
Yeah DA could take Mixed units and they lacked the Rules saying cyclones replace existing equipment.

>>53099383
I think we're well past the "muhreenz r teh bestest," seeing that Custodes and shit have rules.

It blows my mind that people value made up science over more inclusion. Grow the fuck up.

>>53098959
The motivations I've heard for demanding the lore change are in my opinion not sufficient to justify it.

>>53099392
Dark Angel Interrogator Chaplains can have 3 Power Fists.

>>53097812
honestly, for me they could easily reintroduce in 40k the methods used during the starts of great crusade when they could use various implants and augmentations unrelated to the geneseed therapy to uplift the exceptional normal human to a fake-astartes level to explain the occasional female into a chapter

but I seriously doubt it would be enough to satisfy the people who ask for female space marines in the first place until there was an unnecessary equal ratio in most chapters and cases of all women chapters

which is a request that has not a single reason to exist

>>53099424
Why is inclusion important at all?
Justify your claim.

>>53098557
Yup. I doubt you'd be able to tell the sex of a marine at a glance.
But we all know that if GW did add female marines, they would feel the need to make them look female as well. Otherwise it'd be sort of pointless, and/or open them up to cries of "you're just saying they are girls to pander to me/them".

>>53099442
Guess we know how they interrogate people then.

>>53099424
>a setting in which miles long spaceships of genetically engineered 10 ft tall super soldiers attack green fungus people with chainsaw swords
>baawww muh realism

Grow the fuck up shithead

>>53098959
Because if you really want a woman in the most destructive fieldable unit in an Imperium-aligned formation, you'd put her as the Princeps of a Titan. Which wouldn't break the canon.

>>53099344
I went to public school in a big city. Do Space Marines have poop chutes?

>>53099424

It blows my mind that people value the inclusion of a non existing demographic more than the integrity of the artist's vision.

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>>53098857
>Rowboat Girlyman's name had significance after all

>>53099508
If I remember correctly their suits are like the ones in Dune, recycling bodily waste.

>>53099424
It blows my mind that people value inclusion over the artistic integrity of a setting.

You don't like the setting because it doesn't have female marines, that's cool don't support GW with your money. It's childish as fuck however to expect them to rewrite the lore just to cater to your specific delusions.

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>>53099424
Inclusion isn't a value.
Stupid ideas aren't valuable.
Inclusion for the sake of stupid ideas is double-plus-not-good-bad

>>53099524
>the integrity of the artist's vision.
>the integrity of a decades long set of retcons, rewrites and unacknowledged flip flops

Yeah this is totally over the line, you sure got it there anon...

>>53097812
Why?

I've never understood why people want female space marines, outside of wanting muscle girls to wank to.

All I can say is give me an excuse on par to the excuse that GW used to make the wolfen and I won't complain.

>>53099568
The only motivations I've ever encountered have either been from fetishists who don't care about/play the game, or political activists who don't care about/play the game.

>>53099560
>a decades long set of retcons
as previously established, space marines have made it through the past 30 years without any significant changes or retcons

>>53099560

Well the formula was slightly tweaked and changed by different artists with slightly different visions, such as Blanche etc. all in respect to the source material. No change was done to please a contemporary, trendy agenda

>>53099306
But Dredd can't digest ceramic, now can he?

>>53099591
As I said the only reason for wanting them so badly is either having a fetish for muscle girls or being such a political zealot that you're willing to trash any established setting for muh equality.

>>53099606
With a jaw like that? I wouldn't put it past him.

>>53099424
I agree, we should instead use real world science that says women are shit at physical strength and endurance compared to men, thus making them shit as space marines.

>>53098728
>less size, more flexibility, and better multitasking/communication skills at baseline.

Astartes are so well trained that size, flexibility and skills are already almost to the maximum and the only thing that separates the elites from the rest of the spaces marines is the experience and knowledge.

Is not a matter that "girls" are good at this or that, in fact if they are genetically modified spaces marines can be quite qualified as non humans or asexual, and the last goes perfectly with the whole warrior monk idea, and the whole debate is either stupid or done by people who never read the lore, they just see the miniatures.

The real debate is if space marines should have a long hair or not, a genetically modified human won't probably conserve any secondary sexual characteristics and a dedicated warrior won't have any kind of feminized behavior.

And since they wear helmets they wouldn't have long hair, unless they commit to the idea of never using them.

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>>53099606
The only thing Dredd needs for sustenance is the LAW.

>>53099651
I maintain that stallone had the better mouth for the role.

Just a shame about the entire rest of the movie being horrible.

>>53097812
[autistic screeching]

>>53099424
TRIGGERED! Be more tolerant of my intolerance!

>>53099273
Vat-grown NuMarines don't really have that problem.

>>53099645
>The real debate is if space marines should have a long hair or not

Long hair works for Space Wolves, I don't see the issue

>>53099735
We know nothing of the NuMarines. For all we know they will be the exact same but come on a new sprue.

>>53099742

So there you have your astartes girls

>>53099315
really? show proof

>>53099842
its in The Emperor's Gift which is a 10/10 appropriate name
I'll try and find the relevant page

>>53099868
t-thanks, n-not like i l-like d-dicks o-or anything

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>>53099879

>>53100172
Black Library books would be 1000x better with more sex jokes.

>>53100172
kek

>>53097812

I disdain the concept, not because I believe women are inferior, but because it shits upon the original concept of Space Marines as the Emperor intended them, and ignores the Sisters of Battle's desperate need of an update for the sake of "progression," and I cannot abide that.

>>53100433
Make sisters great again, indeed.
Sororitas are a thing. Just put them into the spotlight again, instead of only making them the eternal victims of other factions.

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Here's a compromise guys.

Female Traitor Marines. The daemonocuba comes back but this time it's just the horrifying forced gene-seeding of female captives by Iron warriors, bending and warping their bodies to accept the genetic material designed for originally male initiatives

Alternatively, the process is our modern day sex-changing on steroids. It makes the female space marine literally indistinguishable from a male space marine except for the presence of a vagina. Male level of voice depth, male hard and coarse features. Think pic related. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Angel

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>>53100506

Also I am just joking with Female traitor marines. Only I'm not. If this were not current year but instead the 1990s that'd be some real grimdark shit. Take female captives and basically rape and violate them full of futuristic steroids and biological and warp technology to turn them into masculine death machines. After all, the Iron warriors see their soldiers as just nameless featureless iron to be spent and used in battle. Why not use 100% of potential captives

IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT.

>>53098959

The Sisters of Battle already exist, are arguably more badass than the vast majority of Space Marine Chapters, and desperately need an update. And Slaaneshi Chaos Space Marines already fill the progressive Tumblr niche.

>>53100506
>>53100535
This sounds like your personal fetish, silly.

>>53100506
>>53100535

alternately, just give praise to She Who Thirsts.

>>53097998
They're Scions with vaginas and religion. Not guard.

>>53098363
Lol my man's got btfo

>>53097993
But they are viable, as shields/placeholders until the overwhelming numbers of guardsmen show up or the better geared space marines show up.

>>53098858
I wouldn't call it shitposting, but I don't think it's a good idea. The only people I've seen who seriously want female Space Marines are crazed SJWs, or people who want room for their super special formerly-female Space Marine.

And in a weird way, having female Space Marines would make the Space Marine wank worse - there was at least one SJW who considered Space Marines inherently superior to Sororitas so the latter wasn't at all good to them. It may be just a matter of fluff, but the more options the Space Marines get, the less people seem to want other factions when they could play the super cool genetically engineered warriors.

>>53097812
'''male''' space marines are already sterile, barely human life hulls.
I mean at this point if there was no old lore that said "yeah women totally cant into space marines" this question wouldn't even be relevant.
Space marines are unisex.

>>53100639
>>53098363
this

GW is not stupid, they know who likes their product

they know if they were to somehow shoehorn in chick space marines people would sperg out and not buy them, and maybe even stop playing the game.

if the new marines that get made can be girls, im sure over half of space marine players will not buy them, and GW will just have wasted all this built up hype and expectation on nothing, they cannot do this.

>>53097847
Its the same/better than like 80% of the space wolves.

>>53098182
>FurHeresy

Just look at em. They look silly af.

Also since they are space marines id expect them to be completely bald so their hair doesnt mess with their vision, not that dumb ass lookin hair.

>>53100706
>It may be just a matter of fluff, but the more options the Space Marines get, the less people seem to want other factions when they could play the super cool genetically engineered warriors.
This actually makes a lot of sense when you put it that way.

>there was at least one SJW who considered Space Marines inherently superior to Sororitas
Asking as a 40k noob. Are the Space Marines not legitimately better?

>>53100202
That Inquisitor is pretty much his waifu too
But those things are best kept in small doses. LotaraxKharn OTP tho

>>53100843
I dunno, plenty of Marines with hair. I think all BA models have hair.

>>53098728
>if you need fighters with the traits of an Astartes but less size, more flexibility
Maybe, but:
>and better multitasking/communication skills at baseline
is just bullshit. If you want diplomats you can use regular humans, the hypnotherapy marines undergo means the vast majority of them lose any personality they ever had.
Marines are killing machines, they can't even comprehend doing something else

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>>53097812
You should have used a better picture OP.

>>53100933

Are we ever going to get off the sidebuzz ride?

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>>53097812
>the artist tried to get a GW employee fired for not liking it

>>53098155
>>53098182
You guys are stupid. There's literally nothing to suggest that Guilliman is going to make female marines.

>>53100953
Nah, sidebuzz is cool.

>>53097812
Why is her hair tumblr-tier?

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>>53097812

Fuck off.

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>>53097812
Needs ass

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>>53100963
>>53100988

It all makes sense now.

>>53097812
I wouldn't care if it was done well.
But nobody I've heard has suggested a good way to do it.

>>53100554

Nah my fetish involves elves. It'd be pretty disturbing to me as the daemonocuba was weird to learn about and I remember being horrified at the brood mother in DA:O. I just think it'd be a great bit of twisted be careful what you wish for. Nothing stops a cosplayer from doing it, all the power to them, but those advocating for it tend to want more ultramarine style "fun empowering knights in spaaaaaaacccee" space marines and less space marine "Life is suffering and in the 41st millennium there is only pain" space marines.

Speaking seriously I would just fluff up the power of the sisters of battle. Play up more of them having the spirit and soul of the emperor imbued in them the way space marines get the biologicals of the emperor imbued in them. Have the Astartes be the sword of the emperor, the Sororitas be the shield of the emperor.

>>53098179
It's still too pretty and feminine. She looks like a regular athletic high end lady with black carapace bits, like a sister of battle with implants. A space marine is not a UFC fighter with carapace bits, they are buffscale mclargehuge. A female space marine needs to be female body builder style body with more thicc muscles and less bulging muscle. Let alone the sheer cocktail of drugs and stress of the task.

>>53100572

I tend to praise papa nurgle but she who thirsts is cool too.

>>53098922
For a Marine, a warrior, a soldier, a fighter: the default is male.

>>53100963
Dudes probably going to shit his pants after googling himself and seeing this thread.

>>53100963
This pantmonger guy posted the guy's face on twitter and tagged a specific GW store. Totally didn't dox this person though.

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>>53097812
sure, why not.
and bothers of battle can help them,
till the empress of womankind turns up to fix everything.

>>53097812
on a related note this pantmonger guy is a complete tool

>>53097812
They would look exactly the same as male space marines, because they're pumped to the brim with testosterone.

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>>53101086
>A space marine is not a UFC fighter with carapace bits, they are buffscale mclargehuge.

Not necessarily.

More important question: will they make a new armor with breasts to indicate "Femarines" and will they be much slimmer than their brothers OR will they just affix femmed up Space Marine heads to regular marines?

And what about skirts?

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>>53098857
>"I will not brother."

>>53099404
You don't understand, he's wayyyy above this, he will laugh very hard at you guys! Very hard!

>>53099404
Why bother making marines at all when Guard can do the same jobs for a fraction of the training and much cheaper equipment?

You're looking for logic where there is none.

>>53101748
>Guard can do the same jobs for a fraction of the training and much cheaper equipment

They can't tho.

>>53101748
>Guard can do the same jobs

lel

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>>53101748
>thinking marines and guard do the same jobs

>>53097812
-4 Str, unless we're talking literally men with vaginas, bone and muscle structure, women are simply anatomically weaker and less durable than men. When you're trying to create the optimal combat humie, why would you waste resources on them instead of an additional male jeanseam?

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>>53097812
>mfw female blood angels can only fight three to five days a month

>>53101858
Those three to five days they'd fight like hell, though.

>>53101858
>>53101887
Women on periods are more pathetic and mopey than angry and dangerous.

>>53101858
Only if their cycles sync up.

>>53101858
>Khorne womarines constantly raiding
>only loot for skulls and tampons

>>53101982
>tampons
Do you even khorne? He cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it flows

>>53097917
>>53097856
>>53097812
>>53098131
>all have same douche-bag haircut
>almost all of them have shit nose piecing
jesus

>>53098495
this guy gets it
>>53098507
if they actually do try to sell it as "empowering" then i will likely just leave 40 for the fields of 30k all together.
it would ruin the universe for me for anyone to have "power" in this nihilistic setting.

>>53098858
in the old days it used to be muh waifu
now it's Muh gender politics.
in the end it's really just trying to stir up shit.

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>>53097812
SoB and female Guard is much more badass than feMarines would ever be.

Not to mention feMarines would be hulking flesh ogres that are absolutely not cute and have no waifu qualities...

On second thought I am starting to realize why a certain tumblr crowd might be into that.

>>53100172
>>53100202
>>53100870

There is a joke here I'm not getting. At all.

>>53098959
There will be new autistics that will make cringy shit with the new waifu marines and scare away sane people.
>>53098978
>muh anti-sjw
as a matter of principle it's a good idea, people don't tend to like to bend a knee to someone for no good reason.
on the other hand see the above
you know all this is going to do is make the game more neckbeardy

>>53099337
purple tongue my dude
they love to say a lot of things to pretend they are doing something

>>53097917
>>53099172
The thing that bugs me about this the most is not the concept of a female Astartes, it's that the art sucks.

Astartes are so goddamned bioengineered and mutated that starting with a woman would make one no different if they could take to them the same as men. At the end of the day the best of the best would still make it, and it's not like Astartes really live human lives anyway; it wouldn't matter.

These soldiers are very monastic, very ascetic, and they look it. Lots of bald, shaved, or close-cropped heads to better facilitate the making of war. Things like piercings are non-existent, and tattoos are only ever used to add to the specific cultural aesthetic of a chapter (Carcharadons, for example). But this tumblr-tier undercut and nose piercing bullshit wouldn't fly at all.

I don't mind the idea of female Astartes, but only if they are just as militarized, hardened, and monastic as their male counterparts. No Sister of Battle fetishization, no tumblr-tier hyper-individualistic styling, just an Astartes with a girl's voice and a slightly more feminine face; because at the end of the day that's the only notable difference.

There's honestly no reason not to; if you're going to do it, do it right.

>>53102057
Those boobarmors are dumb, though.

>>53099735
>Vat-grown
why would you even bother making more than one clone then?
hell there is precedence not to do so and it fits with girlymann's nature
>if everyone is the same person there won't be the same personality defects that caused infighting in the legions.
>everyone will make the same choice
>everyone will follow my orders

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>>53097812
Somehow, even Lady Stormcasts seem cuter than female Astates.

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>>53101779
>>53101785
>>53101816
1 in a billion humans can become a Space Marine and it takes 50 years to train them and then equip them with ancient, irreplaceable armor and weapons. And then one lucky shot to the head erases that massive investment instantly.

It's not that Space Marines can't do the jobs better. It's that they exist in a universe of plentiful plasma, melta, and super powerful armor-piercing weaponry, as well as weapons of mass destruction that can wipe out a planet in an instant. Space Marines just aren't worth the investment when you can just get one of the special elite Guard regiments with a 1000x more troops for a fraction of the cost to do it instead.

If Space Marines didn't have plot armor they'd be fucking useless.

>>53097812
They exists in the warp, just besides your loli commissars and furries astartes.

>>53102091
>I don't mind the idea of female Astartes

Cuck

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>>53102115
Question of taste I guess. I like my cheesecake Guardsgirls. Pic related is what I use for my Veterans.

>>53102155
>he likes women
>what a cuck!

Sometimes using a buzzword doesn't work out the way you think it will

>>53102145
The problem is that SM are horribly represented in the tabletop. One 5 man squad of tacticals should be able to take on 2000 points of Orcs or something dumb like that if you went by the lore.

>>53102218
I bet you kiss girls, faggot.

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What we currently know:

Currently, in universe, all Astartes are male. This is a change from the original days of Rogue Trader, when Space Marines were male and female, but were not genetic super-soldiers, but elite shock troops recruited from very harsh worlds (a version of Dune's Sardukar.) The story of gene seed, Primarchs, and the all-male Astartes came later. Which raises an important point: According to GW, WH40k has no hard-and-fast canon. They can change the story to include new things how they see fit.

We also know that gene-seed requires Y chromosomes to work. Hence, only male Astartes.

From the Horus Heresy novels, we learn that Malcador the Sigilite suggested that the Primarchs should have been female, or at the very least half-and-half. He believed that women would not develop the levels of rivalry that men would. Malcador, for all his knowledge, probably didn’t know much about women.
That's what we know for sure.

>>53102182
I don't know if it's just taste: there'd be little sense in casting hard armor in the form of boobs. It'd just get them killed.

These models seem to be just wearing shirts, by contrast, and are therefore much more acceptable.

>>53102145
m80 you are missing the point super hard.

Marines are actively not intended for the same tasks as guard. You don't use marines to siege a planet, you use guard. What you use marines for is murderfucking key strategic assets while the guard are sieging a planet.

>inb4 b-but why can't the guard just drop a platoon in and do that
If it's a babby enough siege that the guard can handle it, the marines aren't called in to begin with.

>>53102232
Things we can make an educated guess at:

Since Malcador suggested female Primarchs, it stands to reason that creating them is not only possible, but the process for doing so was known to the Emperor. Therefore, the Emperor’s decision not to make any females was a conscious choice, not an outcome of circumstance.

So why only male Astartes? The first answer that comes to mind is that men are more suited to the rigors of battle, but when technology can bridge the gap, that answer doesn’t hold up.

The next answer is that the Emperor wanted to keep his creations under control. Given the mental unstability of the Thunder Warriors, this seems a valid concern. It does no good to free humanity from the influence of aliens and mutants only to have their own protectors lord over them (Haha! Irony.) So to control the Astartes, you limit their numbers. Even in the grandest days of the Crusade, the Legions were only a small fraction of the overall force. Keeping the Legions from creating literally billions of their own kind and taking over big swaths of space for themselves (Who would do that? Roboute, we’re looking at you) is a threefold process:

>>53102145
>aren't worth the investment
>special forces don't exist IRL

I agree with you on the front that space marines are handled stupidly and only survive through plot armor, why would you use nigh perfect warriors as frontline meatshields?

>>53102218
>>he likes womyn warriors who dominate his boipussy
>>what a cuck!

FTFY

>>53102250
Part 1: Make them dependant on the geneseed. An Astartes is nothing without the Progenoid glands to regulate his growth and transformation, and they are how the genetic legacy of the Primarchs lives on. Every Space Marine has 2 progenoids, good for a new set of Astartes implants each. If the gene-seed is lost, that’s a big net loss for a Chapter.

Part 2: Don’t let them cherry-pick recruits, but let them think that they are. There’s enough genetic data in a Chapter’s Apothecarion that they could probably save themselves a lot of trouble by picking the most genetically pure recruits based on some blood tests. Instead, the Astartes have complicated ceremonies and arcane rites that they use to pick new recruits, insuring that the strongest, most resourceful and most resilient young warriors are chosen. They think they’re getting the best new blood. Seeing as about 2/3s of new recruits either wash out of training, or die during the implantation process, it’s safe to say that the Space Marines are wrong.

Part 3: Deny them access to female counterparts who they can use as recruit factories. The easy answer to this is “well, just sterilize everyone, lol.” Except will that hold up over centuries? Either they’ll figure it out, or something will go wrong, and what you now have is a full race of posthumans who live 800 years at a stretch and can produce who knows how many genetically viable offspring who will take the Astartes implants like ducks to water. Plus you have twice the recruitment pool, because just because a child is a girl, she’s not disqualified from service.

With the Astartes under control, they’re a potent force against the Imperium’s foes. If any of these 3 pillars of control are violated, you risk something like the Horus Heresy, but an order of magnitude worse.

>>53102250

Why waste expensive technology on bridging the gap when you can... not do that? It's not like he had a manpower shortage.

>>53102232
What Malcador was saying is likely another reference to Dune. In God Emperor, Leto II has an all-female army called the Fish Speakers for about the same reasons Malcador states.

>>53102218
>he likes fictional women in a setting more than the fictional setting itself

FTFY

>>53097856
>>53097812
>>53097917
why must feminism ruin everything
think about this for a second
They remove all imperfections and literally change the ribcage and implant a over a dozen new organs, including a subcutaneous armour
Why would they look even remotely female after all this?
That's not even taking in consideration the massive amount of modified HGH they get injected with
and then you'd have the issue of female bones not being as strong as male bones
Would you risk having weaker soldiers against fucking Daemons and Orks?
I sure as hell wouldn't
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind female characters in fiction, it's just that the warhammer universe makes it a little hard for them to have big roles
In Warcraft it's reasonable for a tiny elf to beat an orc in a single blow, but they explain it with "magic lulz"
There is no "magic lulz" in Warhammer
And as such there is no point in having female space marines

>>53102285
So next: Female Astartes going forward.

With Roboute Guilliman taking charge, and apparently planning to expand the Adeptus Astartes with a new type of Space Marine, the question of including females into the ranks comes up again. It is possible that Guilliman now knows how to make it happen. So could it happen? The answer is yes.

The question becomes “Will it happen?” That depends. Does the new state of things warrant a huge spike in the population of Astartes? Guilliman seems to think so. He speaks of reviving Chapters that have been destroyed or lost. The Indomitus Crusade will go on for a very long time, and will need Space Marines. So I think the answer to the question is also “Yes.”

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>>53102250
>Since Malcador suggested female Primarchs
wasn't the wording literally "sisters of the primarchs"
i think folded into the end of the crusade worries you see in know no fear and likely others.
female primarchs unlike the marines need not be soldiers and likely should have been exemplary builders of infrastructure because the empire as one can currently see is serverly lacking of that.
it looks to me the emperor never really though through what to do with the end of the war

>>53102218
>he won't take a stand against the SJWfication of 40k
>what a cuck!

True.

>>53102241
Who knows, maybe that regiment has been drafted from Titus5, a planet that, for some reason, has a majority female population and due to some gene mutation all their females have atleast g-cup breast.

But you are right, it makes no sense to have tit plates.

>>53102232
>not genetic super-soldiers, but elite shock troops recruited from very harsh worlds a-la Sardaukar
This was better, honestly. Part of what I like the most about that was that the Sardaukar illustrate that harsh-enough worlds effectively act as genetic modification all their own.

>>53102278
>having a relationship with a woman
>the same as being a cuck
>if I just keep spamming the word because I'm too retarded to know what it means I win!

>>53102145
>it takes 50 years to train them

Where does this meme come from? Marines are recruited at age 8-10 and become fully implanted at the age 16-18, at which point they can put on power armour and carry bolters. Sure, Codex Astartes has your basic troopers starting from scout companies and proceed through devs, assault and finishing at tactical squads. But not all chapters do it that way and Legions certainly didn't do it that way.

>>53102305
>a loving wife that told Horus to cut this bullshit out, go to his dad and talk about his problems could have prevented all of this

>>53102328
>>having a relationship with a woman

Getting a little head of yourself aren't you, cuckboi?

In my mind Space Marines are to the Imperium as eunuchs were to the Byzantine Empire, an angelic third gender created by the Emperor's will as a sign of his power and to serve unique needs of the Empire without being able to found dynasties. Women in that scheme are redundant. There is no real reason to make female Space Marines unless the Emperor is under a quota or is a fanatical egalitarian, which he does not exactly seem to be. It's probably just easier to only make "male" Space Marines and never bother coming up with a way to adjust this process to include women.

>>53102278
The point I'm trying to make is that they're not even female at that point. Space Marines aren't human; they're genetically-modified monsters who are kidnapped (or drafted or honored or whatever, end result is the same) as kids and turned into walking and talking weapons of war.

They exist to kill, and who they were as humans before barely matters at all; what they were physically obviously wouldn't matter, since the modifications take care of that shit.

If you are turned into a gun before your balls drop, it really doesn't matter what sex/gender/whateverthefuck you were before you were turned into a golem of murder.

>>53102368
>The point I'm trying to make is that they're not even female at that point.

Take your gender crap back to tumblr cucko.

>>53102349
doesn't a cuck by definition have to have a relationship with a woman?

I realize you're trying to be a cunt, but at least think so you don't look like a stupid cunt

>>53102303
No need for Female Space Marines for the Indomitus Crusade because, going from the trailer, they can grow them fast and in huge numbers.

So a means for that population to sustain itself is pointless.

>>53102368
>it really doesn't matter

No, it very much does, because men and women develop differently and pumping a preteen girl full of male growth hormones will not have the same result as doing it to a preteen boy.

>>53102405
>doesn't a cuck by definition have to have a relationship with a woman?

No. Cuck is an evolution of the term cuckold which would require a relationship in it's literal sense. In a figurative sense though it is merely a lack of potency.

>>53101580

That's true, the depictions do kind of run the gamut.

How old is that though? Those guys look scrawny as fuck - not just the scouts but the marine himself.

>>53102315

I disagree to an extent. I do really like the Sardaukar idea, but I don't think it should be the only material behind a space marine. Space Marines have transcended being simply "really well trained troops from hard as nails backgrounds" to become a kind of demi-human biological war-weapon. If you remove the mythos of the gene-seeds, the primarchs, all the genetics and mystical transhumance of the space marines they well and truly become just that - "Space marines" in the generic sense of the word, not the unique and distinct Adeptus Astartes.

Without the geneseeding a space marine just becomes an ODST. The ODST are great, the guard are great. I love them both because of that human spirit and strength. But that doesn't mean space marines should be reduced to just another flavor of guardsmen. If all it takes is a harsh enough world then Space marines should be no different than Catachans, Kriegers or Tallarns. And I am not a spacemarinefag, my go-to is usually Tau and guardsmen and in Halo I like the ODST over the Spartans.

I'm skeptical they are going to add female space marines and I hope they do not. We can strip the politics from it and boil it down to just "Who wants them" and "Who doesn't want them" and ignore why they want or don't want them. It is highly unlikely that more want female space marines than do not want them.

>>53102250
i should amend this a bit >>53102305

one can see a lot of what the marines quirks as generally lacking in non-miliatry applications.
it generally amounts to most of their jobs becoming defunct one it's over
-especially, WE,SW, RG, DG,IW (sort of i mean IF do their job as well, though perty wanted to build massive pieces of architecture), AL, NL and BA

>>53102347
probably
could also end up like Tarquinius Superbus

>>53102449
Not if you're using space-magic genetic modifications you fucking retard.

Jesus, you "women can't take to the mods," people really don't seem to understand how stupid that sounds in the face of some of the other shit the setting gets away with from a "science doesn't give a fuck about reality," perspective.

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>>53102457
I was honestly always just a fan of their old aesthetic when they were less fuckhuge and more grim and gritty, like their art. The lore could stay exactly the same, but if they went back to the old art and the old armor style I really wouldn't complain all that much.

>>53102347
>perty gets a bubbly young woman who wants him to stop acting like an autistic old man, shave his neckbeard and go dancing.
>Fuglrim gets a no nonsense type that reigns in his excesses and keeps him practical.
morty gets a woman with no nose
>Logar gets a collection of alter boys
>yvranne

>>53102487
Going from >>53098363 they must be male. The end.

Maybe some crazy shit goes on whenever psykers or Chaios get involved, but the fact SM must be males does not fly against anything within the setting.

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>>53102519

>Old art

In that case I do not disagree with you, I agree with you 110%. Beakies are love, beakies are life. I fucking love the beaky and I wish they would make a comeback.

Also the old stuff definitely has a lot of charm to it too. Makes me think maybe the Arbites should be given more presence to return to that judge dredd kind of function. Heck, maybe the Inquisition should rely on Arbites instead of those loaned IG stormtroopers - or are the Inquisition stormtroopers arbites? Never quite looked into them.

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>>53102487
Okay, would it be better for you if I told you that pic related was a women before being draft-kidnapped into the Ultramarines? If the process literally transforms you into the most optimal combat form, i.E. a hulking flesh behemoth?

Would that make it acceptable for you?

>>53102534
That literally doesn't change my argument. All you need to do is change some of the words of the fucking pseudo-science gobledygook and suddenly Astartes needing to be male isn't a thing.

When you are in the setting of Warhammer 40,000, trying to make the argument "but this doesn't work cuz muh science-fantasy procedure," like the authors couldn't change it like they've changed pretty much all the fucking lore at some point or another marks you out as either a retard or someone who loves the lore as it is so much that you don't want it to change for literally any reason.

Taking crazy genetic mutations that turn someone into an eight-foot tall monster of mayhem and destruction ensures that, with but a simple change of the lore's techno-babble, it doesn't matter if they're the same they are now or the same they are now with feminine faces and girly voices.

>>53102582
It wouldn't matter to me, personally. I'm arguing that it wouldn't matter one way or another. It would shut up the SJWs at literally no cost; why the grognards stick to their "muh male space marines," with an equal devotion fucking baffles me. The fact that they tote their stupid pseudo-science reason brings me from baffled to grumpy because that defense is just so stupid.

>>53102555
Yeah, beakies just look the fucking best. I loved the aesthetic, and would prefer the simplicity of Astartes being a Sardaukar reference. Also Inquisition stormies are custom-trained by the Inquisition, if I remember right. So they're still Inquisition-specific troops.

>>53102529
>Dorn gets a fun loving woman who puts whoopey cushions on his seats
>Kahn is only going fast because his wife will scold him for going too fast again
>Magnus's waifu keeps him from dabbling too much with the warp by forcing him to exercise every day

It would just be like my 90s sitcoms.

>>53102057
Great models, but I'm just generally against boob armor.
>>53102182
That's better because clothing is clothing and armor is mostly useless for guard anyway.
>>53102219
The problem I have is weapons that kill Space Marines instantly are pretty well established in the lore. So, ya, plot armor is really the only thing keeping them alive.
>>53102245
I know what SM are for, I'm just saying you can drop quite a few platoons on a strategic asset for the cost of a space marine. They really just need to redesign the concept of how rare a Space Marine is compared to how insanely massive the Imperium is. Instead of 1000 marines per chapter, make the division strength instead (10,000-20,000 marines) just so they can plausibly operate on a planetary scale.
>>53102275
They are absolutely worth the investment, but there is probably a much greater ratio of special forces to regular military in RL than there are Space Marines to Guard.
>>53102331
Too bad they replaced Legions with the Codex Astartes.
>>53101580
That's exactly how a super soldier should look. Making them mcfuckhueg is more of a hindrance than an advantage, especially since they get Power Armor by default.

>>53102622
Yes it does matter, because that piece of lore has gone unchanged for 30 years. Changing it means going from soldiers who were meant to conquer the stars for Mankind to a new race that was never meant to be.

They were purposefully engineered to not be capable of replacing Mankind. No reason to change that, and no reason to complain about a lack of consistency because it is consistent. The Thunder Warriors were not meant to last, the Space Marines were not meant to last, and ultimately the Primarchs were not meant to last either.

Its no being a grognard, its an integral part of the setting.

>>53102622

I was kind of getting hit again with how Dune must have influenced them when I realized the emperor probably had his own Golden Path sense of humanity's future. It might even be a cop-out excuse for the horus heresy being allowed to happen and his position on the shitheap of the golden throne. It does run into problems with being kind of "you idiots I wanted to get my ass beat by you as part of my master plan" what with everything he wanted being denied and everything he didn't want being used in abundance. And Leto wanted man divided and decentralized, the emperor wanted (and in this universe to survive mankind NEEDS to have) centralization. Plus the Interex was doing good with secular science and rationalism so it's not as if a lack of religiousity meant you'd fall to chaos.

Regarding the SJW boogeyman though it would not shut them up - they never shut up. I knew one before they were ever a thing back in 06-07 who flipped out at 40k and left the fandom because of CS Goto and the shitting on Eldar and eldar women who hates seeing women being killed in fiction. What they want is less female marines and more female ultramarines treated with plot armor and protectionism. The only winning move is to not play.

>>53097812
That haircut disgusts me more than the female marine.

>>53102487
Space-magic genetic modifications designed to enhance the natural development of the human body, which is why they're implanted on kids going through puberty and why putting them into adults, while possible, results in inferior Marines with less of the benefits, since they're not in a developing stage in their life.

The key here is still that you're bound by the natural development of the human body.

>Jesus, you "women can't take to the mods," people really don't seem to understand how stupid that sounds

But that's the official fluff of the setting and has been forever. The gene-seeds are designed to work with male physiology. I'm sure you could stick them into women, but the rejection rate would be vastly higher and the results would be akin to women who've put their bodies through massive amounts of hormones and physical stress, basically doing irrevocable harm to themselves.

I mean, even a fantasy setting has some resemblance of real life. It's often the fantasy that is used to explain the irregular stuff. I don't think anyone's just gonna go "a toddler with a spoon decapitating a red dragon is totes legit, because of fantasy setting." You need to explain just how that's possible in the setting. And if the setting does not have a way of explaining it, then it's not possible. 40k explains how a boy gets turned into a Marine and specifically excludes women from it. Thus "but muh majick" is insufficient retort in willing female Space Marines into existence.

>>53102703
>that piece of lore had gone unchanged for 30 years
From what I understand Astartes could be female back in the Rogue Trader days; they were just fuckers in dope armor back then, so it literally didn't matter.

>soldiers who were meant to conquer the stars to a race that was never meant to be
>not capable of replacing mankind
This doesn't make any sense, because they'd be the same fucking race as they've been for the past several editions of lore. That's what I've been saying this entire time. Instead of literally NEEDING to hire Mark Strong every time you need a Space Marine voice actor, it would literally just open the possibility of hiring Cate Blanchett. That's quite literally the only difference.

Same weaponized space monks who wreck shit on the daily with either neutered genitals or a completely removed libido--so they can't breed--and no actual human life before they were genetically modified as a child. Same species, because at the end of the day the lore behind Astartes is paper thin: take kid, make them ultimate soldiers because fuckhuge setting, turn 'em loose. Giving those ultimate soldiers a slightly more feminine face and a woman voice actor doesn't turn them into "a race that was never meant to be."

>no reason to change that
No reason not to, either. It shuts up the SJW at literally zero cost, and it doesn't harm the grognard: he can still have an all-male force if he wants. On top of this, it hearkens back to the day of Rogue Trader; always a good thing.

>>53102745
At the risk of generating more rage, they were right in regards to CS Goto. He was an asshole, he was a terrible author, and his brutal scenes were completely unnecessarily drawn out and cringe as fuck. It was silly; what's worse, it was poor quality.

Simply "female Astartes exist," would require just shipping one or two bald female heads with the kit and writing in one or two heroes. It's not like GW could make the Ultramarines any worse, so it doesn't actually matter.

Female marines are easy to justify within the setting, just have the orks believe it can be done.

>>53102634
>Too bad they replaced Legions with the Codex Astartes.

Sure, but, for example, the likes of Space Wolves have no problems putting their fresh recruits in power armour. So having the Codex has not actually resulted in it taking a longer time to make Marines, a kid with all the implants is as capable of wearing power armour and fighting with bolter and chainsword as one with five decades under their belt.

>It would shut up the SJWs at literally no cost
you don't get how this works
you give them an inch they will take a mile.
take say, marvel for example.
More and more characters were written to the specification of the turbo-progressive Bay-are bourgeois sale started dropping.
Marvel staff that were found doing something dubious, like the one who donated to one to a veteran's charity that tangentially had something to do with trump (i think this was late 2015, earily 2016) he was disappeared and replaced at the behest of these people.
now the CEO was on about people not wanting diversity and that has also been taken down and i expect him to be disappeared as well.

they get your hooks in you and they will try to own you for life.

same reason shit like ancillary justice gets fucking praised despite being gone home levels of horse shit.

I will concede doing this for other reasons are fine. Don't bend a knee.
but they will take it for a flag and slander GW everywhere
it's what they do

>>53102841
was meant for >>53102622
sorry

>>53102823
>fuckers in dope armor back then

They were always genetically enhanced warrior monks, and quite quickly the lore on the implants and the limitation they had was made public.

>>53098309
Underrated

>>53097812
>Salamander colors
>White.
I am deeply triggered.

>>53102823
>It shuts up the SJW

Nothing will shut them up. Have you not paid any attention? The moment you give an inch to them, they want more. There is nothing you can do that will shut them up.

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>>53102880
>>Salamander colors
bluish, black and white
what

>>53097812
I want it. For all the rage it will set off.

>>53102823
I just said it would change the setting at a base level.

It changes it because it goes from a subrace of tools being used by a cruel empire into a race that has a future in the Imperium. Which is not true because they are only meant to give Mankind a stable empire before their psychic ascension. From that point on, they are useless. A fact proven by the Eldars, physical equals to the Space Marines with none of the enhancements.

>>53102904
That isn't green? My colorblindness is acting up again. :(

>>53102809
>the key here is that you're bound by the natural development of the human body
Except you're not because the "natural development of the human body," doesn't turn us into goliaths.

I understand what you're going for, but the point I'm trying to make is that it's not really that important a piece of lore. Changing it would take nothing. It's basis in reality is paper-thin, and frankly speaking GW has changed so much over the years that the argument that any single piece of lore is all-important just comes off as silly.

You don't need to explain it past saying "the gene mods," and then going into pseudo-science babble the way they always have.

What's worse is that this is the prime opportunity. We're getting new Astartes anyway because Guilliman is trying to improve the genetic model. Boom, girls work now. Ship some toned-down girly heads. Done and dusted.

>>53102841
>>53102891
This sort of childish otherism is why SJWs exist in the first place. They're just as guilty of it, yeah, but at some point all children needs must learn to compromise.

>>53102906
Learn to read, please. Literally how does it turn them into a race that has a future in the Imperium? We all know that whether it's because they're physically or mentally neutered, Astartes either don't or won't breed. How does making them out of some women change this?

Stop instantly sexualizing the idea of female Astartes. If they don't breed, then they're no different from your "subrace of tools being used by a cruel empire." Think about it. This entire time I've been saying they just need girl heads. The bodies would be the same: muscular titans of warfare. Breasts would basically disappear under the pecks. Whether the groin is a penis or vagina doesn't matter because neither Astartes sex would use them.

So, your inherent sexualizing of them aside, how are they now a race with a future in the Imperium?

>>53102904
I'm experiencing a "the dress is white and gold" moment.

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>>53102905
>you then have to live in a world with autistic waifufags that spill into 40k
>"erotic marine conversions"
>boobplate arguments
>rich goonie beardmen and femhambeasts show up because gender equality and complain or whinge.
>Talks about the game revolves around gender politics
this is the future you chose

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>>53102948
Pic related. Forgot to post it.

>>53097812
The most immediately notably aspect of the influence of Astartes geneseed on male humans is the exaggeration of their secondary sexual characteristics: height, increased muscle mass, bone density, and broad shoulders. Presumably, any female human exposed to the same metagenetic triggers would develop exaggerated female characteristics. Their legs would be as proportionally long, and breasts as huge, compared to normal women as an Astartes is muscular and broad shouldered compared to a normal man.

>>53102944
Opening the recruitment to all members of a given race inherently gives way to sexualisation. You know that,

That aside, considering the very obvious differences between males and females, including their capability of reproduction, Female Space Marines could, and in some ways should allow for greater numbers of progenoid glands. Thereby creating more potential Space Marines. In fact, the female body should by nature allow for natural born Space Marines.

It is simple logic. From this, we get a population capable of growth. Which should not be the case.

>>53102944
>Except you're not because the "natural development of the human body," doesn't turn us into goliaths.

What part of "enhancing" do you not get?

>it's not really that important a piece of lore

Sure, it's no different from Sisters being all female. Or Ultramarines being blue. We can easily change those as well.

>GW has changed so much over the years that the argument that any single piece of lore is all-important just comes off as silly.

And yet there's things that have not changed at all, thus making this argument invalid.

>>53102944
>otherism
I never made them the other, i'm the dirty neckbeard that hates women and whatever they will heap on folks when they disagree with the,

>This sort of childish otherism is why SJWs exist in the first place.
anon, i provided what i believe was an example of how this operates.
please explain why I'm wrong, that the marvel overreach was not an example of them taking more than they were giving.

furthermore
I do not believe that conceding to radicals does anything.
SJWs are radical progressives, which is why i referred to them as such.
they are a my way or the high way sort and they will take and take and take.
I know and can agree with progressives, I'm rather liberal and educated myself

>They're just as guilty of it, yeah, but at some point all children needs must learn to compromise.
what do i need to comprise on?
i never said i never wanted fem-marines.
My statement was directed at your conclusion and why i believe it is faulty reasoning.

Furthermore i think you've never met those children that don't know how to share.
there are folks in this world that will take and take and take and give nothing in return, I'm farmer's stock myself, we never had tolerance for those sorts.
and that's what the SJWs are, over grown 20-30 year old children that want everything to conform to their world view.

>>53100867
Yes, they are legitimately better than most any other Imperial soldier. But the Sororitas are a very close second - they have power armor, they have bolters, and they've been described has having a discipline and skill due to their zeal and training that even leaves Space Marines grudgingly impressed, in a 'not bad for humans' sense. They're probably the closest match to a Space Marine you can get without having another Space Marine.

But the SJW in question basically thought because Space Marines were genetically engineered - ignoring anything specific about skills or what have you - they would always be considered better than Sororitas. She wanted to reverse that completely, making Space Marines completely female and dropping the Sororitas. Basically she was ignoring the good qualities about the Sororitas for a fairly arbitrary reason - she was technically correct, but not in a way that really compared and contrasted Sororitas and Space Marines.

>>53102529
>Dorn gets a wall with lipstick and a wig
>Corax gets an edgy girl. A clone to be specific.
>Vulkan gets a craftswoman
>Russ already had his two wolves.
>Rowboat gets a military Commander
>Magnus gets a psyker

>>53102944
>This sort of childish otherism is why SJWs exist in the first place. They're just as guilty of it, yeah, but at some point all children needs must learn to compromise.

So what have SJWs been denied? You have whole industries bending over and taking all their crap and catering to their every need, and how many of them have flourished? There is no compromise, there's just "continue business as usual" and "do as we say or we'll call you a racist."

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>>53101086
This is just a random artist's take on Space Marine proportions, but it's what I prefer.

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>>53102880
How the fuck do you mistake blue, black and white for pic related? It doesn't even have the same pattern.

>>53103054
I dislike the idea of female space marines simply because it doesn't fit with the lore,and doesn't need to exist.We already have sisters of battle,and butchering canon to suit the needs of a group that likely won't even play the game is stupid.But with your second point,the Female space marines,if they existed,could not give birth to more space marines.They don't have the organs coded in their genes,so they couldn't pass on the organs,same way male space marines can't.

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>>53102880
I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a Dark Angels colorscheme - that quartered kneepad is the symbol of the 5th Company, one that's been especially prominent in more recent lore. The green is off from what Dark Angels Green should be, but it's still green.

>>53103054
>it's simple logic
It's really not. It's sexualization. Simply saying "sexualization is gonna happen, you know that," is childish. The simplest logic--that which takes the least steps to reach "female space marines,"--is making the assumption that the gene mods would change little other than making them fuckhuge soldiers. No fetishized reproduction qualities, no stupid progenoid lore. Just golems of war. Nice and simple.

>>53103059
Changing the identity of an established faction would be more difficult than saying "you know those mods that made men space marines? Turns out they accept girls now, too. How 'bout that." If a piece of lore is made out of techno-babble, it can be easily changed to fit whatever you need it to from a writing perspective as the setting advances.

>>53103069
>>53103096
>wah, people are learning to treat other people as equals and include them in things
Even before the SJWs decided to look at female Astartes, we've had people online saying how stupid and paper-thin the lore was.

Compromise isn't bad. What you guys are describing is someone demanding more than a compromise. If a nigger comes up and tries to reparations you, then tell them to fuck off. But if people are saying "this piece of lore is really exclusive and it doesn't really have a good reason for it," then there's no harm in looking at the possibility of barely changing it--at no harm to the lore or its quality--to acquiesce; because at the end of the day, they have a some kind of point, and it doesn't harm you.

Astartes being all male doesn't really mean anything when changing it wouldn't inherently change the lore. "Hey, that generic as shit masked soldier of destruction said something in a girl's voice." Otherwise, no change. If a change would be that small, then maybe implementing it to compromise wouldn't be that bad.

If society as a whole gave an inch when asked for an inch but learned to say no at points that made sense, people wouldn't be demanding miles.

>>53097812
Normally I wouldn't give a shit but given that an order of female warriors exists in the setting who are way cooler than Space Marines who would be obsoleted by female Space Marines since their whole existence is based on trying to get around the fact that making fem Marines is illegal/impossible, I'd have to say no.

>>53102880
>>53103165
>>53097856
is the same scheme/artist as >>53097812
i'd peg this as borderline alpha legion

>>53098798
This is a genuinely fair arguement.

However I, for one, think Sorritas are one of the most bad-ass and under-appreciated factions. They both look, and are, cool as hell. They pull miracles out of their ass as part of their lore AND rules.

I miss playing one in Dark Heresy. I'd kill for a good GM and enough time to spend.

>>53103190
>Changing the identity of an established faction would be more difficult

How so? You said it yourself, it's just a few lines on paper. What does it matter if Sisters suddenly can take male members? It shouldn't matter any more than Marines getting female members. Or changing the colour of a faction. They already modified the colour of Cadians, so what's the difference in giving Ultramarines a new paintjob, it's just an insignificant piece of lore that GW has been changing forever.

>>53100933
I fucking hope not.

>>53103137
Inherently the changes should actually make them genetically different from Mankind. No real other way for the progenoid glands to grow, and would allow means to keep them away from Mankind in more ways than one.

But that's not really the problem. There are no good reasons to change the facts, it brings nothing to the setting either way, its not a setting that need inclusivenes. People of all gender die for the Imperium, that does not mean indeed that there exists a need to have a 50/50 split of marines of either.

>>53103190
>Just golems of war. Nice and simple.
And since they already exist, it does not require change in any way.

And there is no harm in keeping that piece of lore unchanged either. They are generic because they are male, and they can remain so because they are male.

>>53098208
>We can all do tests, females are just legit not compatible, despite that not being how DNA works, it is ENTIRELY Y chromosome dependent and we don't feel like explaining how.
The explanation is that 28,000 years in the future, superscience that we can't understand is responsible for geneseed.

You complaining about chromosomes is like a primitive ape man insisting that moon rockets can't work because the fire would burn up the rocket.

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>>53103207
I love the Sororitas for their level of martial skill and discipline, their religious focus, and the edge of zeal that can explain why they fight anyone and everything. I like to imagine them fighting alongside the Guard more often than Space Marines, and being more common - if distant - in the life of the average Imperial citizen, since they'd guard churches and relics.

But of course, you're a waifufag if you like one and they haven't been given much love anyway. Celestine is a glorified cheerleader now.

>>53103193
This. If Adepta Sororitas didn't exist then I'd be all for female marines, just do what >>53102944 said and throw in some slightly girlier looking heads in the box that you don't have to use. Most wear helmets anyway so who gives a shit. However, Sororitas DO exist and are really fucking cool to boot, and making female Marines undermines the entire point of the Sororitas existence. It gives an actual palpable reason for the gender exclusivity too.

>>53098798
This is pretty much what >>53103190 has been arguing this entire time.

They're not human, any differences in sex would be negated by the process, and lore gets changed so often and in so many drastic ways (Necrons were a really good example, wished I thought of it) that it doesn't matter if you change a faction that doesn't really have a good reason to be monogender to not be monogender anymore. Women would be at worst attractive androgynes.

>>53103241
Sisters exist because of a silly legal loophole, lore that was at least partially well-written because of how on-the-nose funny and stupid it was. Astartes being all-male because of techno-babble isn't as interesting or as well-done as actual lore.

The Sisters exist because of actual lore that relies on the history of the Imperium. The Astartes are all-male because girls are icky and it uses paper-thin science-fantasy to justify it.

>>53103245
>they are generic because they are male
>making some of them girls would suddenly make them sjw-tier snowflakes despite literally no other changes to lore
You're really silly, anon.

>>53103190
>>wah, people are learning to treat other people as equals and include them in things
please don't project your emotions on to me.

>Even before the SJWs decided to look at female Astartes, we've had people online saying how stupid and paper-thin the lore was.
I fail to follow the point.
1. we were talking about how this works to placate the SJWs (radical progressives) i disagreed. i made no argument unto lore or approving or negating it, i do not care if there are female marines mr bait man.
2. I don't care what those people say untowards the lore. one must be very careful with how they handle these things or you get an AOS fiasco. t

>What you guys are describing is someone demanding more than a compromise
I also said there was a clear precedence in which they do this.

>If a nigger comes up and tries to reparations you,
I'm not white, nor am i american, nor did my family own slaves (maybe the richer Muslim part).
we are mostly plebs

> But if people are saying "this piece of lore is really exclusive and it doesn't really have a good reason for it," then there's no harm in looking at the possibility of barely changing it
that doesn't follow.
What they want is the setting to tow the party line.
What they want is control.
We can see this in Fantasy/Scify, comics, gaming, academia and where else you can see the ultra progressive radicals.
you've still yet to brook that subject.

>at the end of the day, they have a some kind of point, and it doesn't harm you
actually it can.
if you see the American conflagrations these sorts of people do want to fight. allowing them in and they will make you disapear from the play groups if you step out of line.

>If society as a whole gave an inch when asked for an inch but learned to say no at points that made sense, people wouldn't be demanding miles.
This is not one of these instances.
Like i've said time and again these people are bad actors, and radicals.
the company needs to be able to see this and act

>>53103190
>wah, people are learning to treat other people as equals and include them in things

It's amazing that you advocate for equal treatment and shit, but constantly strawman everyone who doesn't agree with you.

>we've had people online saying how stupid and paper-thin the lore was

And just as long we've had people telling those people to suck it up, do Your Dudes and not care what other people say, or just fucking find a different game to play. I mean, how can someone claim to love the setting yet want to change it?

>What you guys are describing is someone demanding more than a compromise.

Yes, because that's what it is. You honestly thing it'd end with just removing "male only" from the fluff? You really think so?

>"this piece of lore is really exclusive and it doesn't really have a good reason for it,"

I agree, I think we need male Sisters.

>they have a some kind of point

I can make the point that Barbie doesn't have enough fat space marines with big guns, but should the product line cater to me and my needs? Or should I find a setting with fat space marines with big guns and use that?

You can argue all you want for equality, exclusiveness and all that jazz, but reality has shown is where things go when you start catering to people who don't even buy your products. Token virtue signaling doesn't get you anywhere. Facebook likes doesn't equate to bucks and the more you feed the whore of public opinion, the more it will demand and the more you have to cater to it at the expense of everything else.

You don't really want female space marines, if you did, you'd just do it. You just don't like someone having wrong opinions. You can't deal with the fact that GW says "only dudes" and you must have that removed, because of fee-fees. Well, tough shit.