Infinity General: Full Monty Edition

First FOR THE HYPERPOWER IS BEST

PANO BABY

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How the fuck does holo1 interact with hacking. There are scenarios where you need to know if the hackable trait is open info, but can't premeasure hacking area to confirm.

Relevant rules:
-"However, in Holoprojector L1 state the Hackable Characteristic is considered Open Information when the trooper is inside the Hacking Area of an enemy."
-Equipment is private info on Holo1, so being a hacker is not open even in hacking area, as hackers don't have the hackable trait (unless it is a HI hacker)

>>53090301
Hackers are hackable. How else would a KHD killer hack hackers?

>>53090301

Whether or not the model is hackable is not private information, regardless of if it's in the holoecho l1 state or not.

The perfidious Interventor Morgana gets an ARO when an Order Sergeant model enters her Zone of Control. Morgana asks if that trooper has the Hackable Characteristic, and surprisingly she gets a "yes" as reply. With evil satisfaction, the Interventor declares a Hacking ARO against that model. Morgana succeeds at the roll only to realize much to her chagrin that it was just a Holoecho and not a real trooper. However, now she knows some of the other Order Sergeants are a Holy Sepulchre Knight bearing a Holoprojector L2. The game has just started.

The enemy hacker would declare a hacking attempt, you'd say he's not hackable (especially seeing as he'd use a program only usable against HI, and Kanren is not HI), and the order would be wasted.

At least, I think I'm reading the situation right.

>>53090426

Hackers do not necessarily have the Hackable trait. KHD programs state in its requirements that the target has to be a Hacker. Other programs specifically state that the program works on models with the hackable characteristic.

Check Oblivion versus Spotlight and Brain Blast.

>>53090426
The hackable trait and being a hacker are 2 different things. You do not need to be "hackable" to be the target of a hacking attack. See many programs. "The target must be an enemy with the Hackable Characteristic (HI, TAG, REM...) or an enemy Hacker."

>>53090430
"However, in Holoprojector L1 state the Hackable Characteristic is considered Open Information when the trooper is inside the Hacking Area of an enemy." When not in the hacking area, it is not open information.

The problem arises from when a hacker declares a hacking attack from too far away.

"Is this model hackable?" *clearly 16 inches away* Yes, it is (showing as zuyong), hacking attack is clearly out of range, wasted.

"is this model hackable?" *in limbo between 7 and 9 inches* There is no correct response. Either you are lieing or you give away free information the opponent should not have. You are not allowed to pre-measure the 8".

>>53090482
Then the problem arises where your opponent declares an order that is illegal, but they should have known wasn't illegal. You can't revert back to the aro since now you have information that it is within 8", so then you can change your second short skill to shotgun the hacker for example. The problem lies in the fact you can not measure until the order is resolving.

>>53090482

Hacking Devices and Hacking Programs: Characteristics
Hacking Devices and their suite of Hacking Programs obey a series of general rules:

They act in Zone of Control, be it the Hacker's or a Repeater's if the specific Hacking Program allows hacking in Hacking Area.
Their target need not be within the Hacker's LoF, unless otherwise specified by the Hacking Program's rules.
>They automatically identify whether a figure—but not a Marker—inside the Hacker's Hacking Area is targetable by a specific Hacking Program.
They allow the player to enlist REMs in his Army List.

My personal interpretation is that if they don't have a hacker within ZoC, you just show them the courtesy list, which would show that it has the hackable trait. As soon as you enter ZoC, they have the option of asking if it is "targetable by a specific hacking program", where you have to say whether the REAL model is actually hackable or not by that program.

Outside 8": Lie
Inside 8": Answer questions !if! asked

>>53090593
Kanren KHD disguised as Zuyong. I move within an unconfirmed range 7.5"-8.5"

"Is it targetable by this program"
I respond with "I am not within your hacking area"
you choose to shoot, I shoot back with a shotgun, we check ranges and I'm within 8"! Did I lie? No, I thought I was outside 8". There's no way this can be considered cheating either, it just seems like bullshit.

There is no way to tell until order resolution, you can not premeasure.


In the case where the Kanren KHD is within 8" clearly, then the response is "no". Hacking devices can't magically see through holo1, even though you as the player know what is going on. I am a non-hackable trooper in ZoC. I am not a legal target for any of your hacking programs.

>>53090681

Q: In the reactive turn, when can you measure the Zone of Control?
A: Following the steps of the Order Expenditure Sequence: you declare a ZoC ARO, and in the step of resolution, is when the players take measurements. So, is troop is in the ZoC, resolve his ARO, but if not, the ARO is lost.

"Is the [HEl1] targetable by Trinity?"
"I don't think you're in ZoC"
"I'll measure"
"You're not in ZoC, so you lose the ARO."

That's all I can think of. Who knows what happens in the active turn.

The problem is that the 'automatically identify' rule is written poorly. It wouldn't be a problem if this was a pre-measuring game, but this isn't Warmahordes.

>>53089914
The mythical design of PanO's LGL+combi rifle. Feels like seeing an unicorn.

>>53092218
We'll probably get a unicorn model in Infinity sooner than a PanO Combi + LGL one.

>>53093109
Hey, we still need a [s]Fast Panda repack[/s] Regular hacker.

>>53093194
I just noticed the old Montesa is Combi + LGL. It's also one of the few units where this loadout is preferable I reckon.

Actually, how do you run Montesa Duos? Somehow I tend to think of LGL and LRL as the optimal choices.

>>53093249
>I just noticed the old Montesa is Combi + LGL
Look again.

Do we know what New Vatican looks like? I was thinking of making cobblestone bases for my MO list to contrast between their high tech nature and old traditionalist values.

>>53093194
I can't wait until I'm finally able to get mad about Regulars. It's going to be so much fun bitching about CB's bad choices.

>>53093249
Spitfire+LGL and spitfire+LRL are my favourites. I like having the lieutenant option and high burst killy gun. I could see LGL+LRL working though.

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>>53093264
Something like this.

So who has used the Unknown Ranger?

I am curious what you all think of the profiles?

I like the idea of the rifle one, but with not protections, I am not sure he will survive long enough to get to use scavenger. The molotok seems so pricey.

What you all think?

>>53093490

Well, he's got mimetism, Kinematika L1, NBW and ARM 4, that's pretty well protected overall. The issue I have with him is his point cost; even for the CoC one, 41 points is a LOT to pay for that package.

Hows this for a non-ITS kill-fest? I enjoy Lieutenant shenanigans

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>>53094145
All im getting is invalid army code.

>>53093490
Never ran rifle version because it's incredibly overpriced and basically pointless. Molotok is a beast, though. Just be careful when engaging in CC, you won't be able to use scavenger if you turn your enemy into a mush, so choose your weapons wisely: knife against NVI/dogged troops, pistol against light infantry, T2 CCW against HI.

>>53094239
>Just be careful when engaging in CC, you won't be able to use scavenger if you turn your enemy into a mush, so choose your weapons wisely: knife against NVI/dogged troops, pistol against light infantry, T2 CCW against HI.
You can't avoid mushing 1 wound troops that don't have shock immunity or remote presence. T2 CCW does 2 damage which instakills them, and both the heavy pistol and knife are shock. You pretty much have to rely on lucky shooting.

>>53094312
Damn, I didn't notice that heavy pistol has Shock. Well, it's only shooting then.

>>53094312
1 wound models in CC range of an Unknown Ranger are probably going to be CC-oriented themselves though, like warbands. Guys with HMGs like Intruders will want to keep away from him. It's more useful against a Swiss Guard or something, shanking him, taking his HMG or AHD.

>>53094229
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Sorry, try this. No clue what happened there

What's your opinion on Govads in Haqq? Are they worth it or should I just go for Djanbazan if I want MSVs?

>>53095238
Govads are a hard call outside HB. Djanbazans cover the MSV role pretty strongly (espcially being level 2 instead of 1). Though if wanting to maximize on orders sometimes taking the cheaper Govad can squeeze in that extra Daylami or something.

>>53095238

I personally only play QK, not vanilla, so I love me some Djannies, but the Govads are nice--very slightly cheaper, veteran L1 is nothing to frown at (especially with REligious Troop). Djanbazan have Regeneration and Multiterrain, which is nice too, but salvaging a LOL situation can save games.

Govads also have a few more profile options (though no doctor plus option) and move faster, though aren't as tough against foes targetting BTS.

I say they're worth it, personally, but despite both being good-BS MSV troops they hae different tactical applications, so go with what your list needs more.

>>53095238
They're sort of like the Grenzer to the Djanbazan's Intruder. Decent for the ML profile, but other than that I'd just skip straight to the Djan. Govads are more of a sectorial thing.

>>53095283
Even in HB, they've got a lot of tough competition. Muyibs are one of the best elite links in the game, and now that we've got Leila Sharif, a full Ghulam link is cheaper and offers the same weapon loadouts. Unless you really need MSV1, they feel a little hard to justify.

>>53095326
Oh, and forgot one thing. I haven't tried it, but in theory the killer hacker should be a pretty good combat specialist as MSV+KHD+boarding shotgun is a potent toolkit for skullfucking infiltrators.

>>53095351
I do find myself shelving Govads for Muyibs, even without Leila considered. Though recently been doing a lot of Muyib core with a Asawira haris with a smoke Muyib and Leila. It's been pretty effective.

which model could represent ivanka and baron trump the best?

>>53095991
Nisses or Joan with a headswap and a Jotum, obviously.

>>53095991

https://warsen.al/products/garbage-dumpster

>>53095991
http://hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=resin-master-%252d-archbaron-drumpf-spaceclad~hfmaster-sf136&category=sci%252dfi-%26%0D%0Aweird-war~%2Anew-sci%252dfi%2A

>>53095991
I have a O-12 comissar painted as Trump. Just greenstuff some hair and it's done.

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>>53096154
>O-12 commissar
>Concilium finally becomes sick of everyone breaking their conventions

In my language "commissar" and "commissioner" are the same word so I can see how someone can make that mistake

>>53096082
that is the old trump, I need a model of Baron Trump.
I think I'll take the head from joan and the body of the shotgun foxtrot, she has the perfect pose, as if spiting on you. Judging you with her deep slavic eyes.
>>53096055
I have to joans which head you think would be better the mobility armor or the old classic? I could buff any of them with green stuff.

>>53096361
>I need a model of Baron Trump.
Yeah, a Jotum. The kid hasn't even hit puberty and he's like 6 fucking feet tall.

>>53096361
>which head you think would be better
No idea.

>>53096383
I was more thinking that he seems to like tractors, but that's also true.

>>53096383
I thought about using the dire foes yu jing guy for him and the new Giraldes with a head swamp for the God Emperor himself. we have a yu jing player tha tis very anti trump, and he hates that americans move troops in to our country. I want to troll him as hard as possible.

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>>53096430
Paint some rainbow troops, too.

If Nomads are worried about Aleph, why don’t they simply fly their ships to some remote corner of space?

>>53099310
Without aleph protection they would die out. They are a bit like that sister everyone has that decided to go in to gender studies. Crazy, hit parents and siblings, but when she runs out of cash she always either does porn or asks parents.

>>53099382
The universe is huuuge.

The odds of running into something as nasty as Aleph or Combined Army are astronomicaly low and surviving or even growing isn’t difficult as long as their ships have factories that would allow them to process raw materials which can be found in great quantities around most stars.

>>53099310
>>53099382
>>53099513
They need the rest of the human sphere to survive, you can´t just cut from the planets and pretend to hace resources from nothing.

>>53099550
>resources from nothing

There are chunks of metal and enormous balls of rocket fuel floating through space waiting for somebody to pick them up

>>53099597
yes. and unending fields of space spargles and star whales to feed on.

>>53099619

Thankfully there are plenty of ways to turn minerals into food.

>>53090301
Hi Noel

>>53099655
that is not how agriculture works.

>>53099811
Not her actually! It's easy to figure out who else I am from that thread though. This format for discussion is much better desu, you don't have smart-asses who play by house rules going "Haha that's not how it works ;)" when they encounter a situation that does not have an objectively correct solution.

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My katyusha killed knauf, on his first try.

>>53090301
>Kanren KHD
>not hackable
you what

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>>53100410
Talking about the TRAIT hackable. Not if it is able to be affected by hacking or not. The trait is the green square by HI/REM/TAG profiles.

HOw do people use the heavier TAGs and things? I play Ariadna, so maybe it's just me being odd, but I have trouble imagining being able to fit 100-odd points for a single model--I have trouble enough fitting in Mirage-5 to a good portion of my lips, and it's 69 points for two models!

>>53100611
You see that gun? It mulches people.

You see that MOV value? Gets you to mulching range fast

You see that ARM? Helps shrug off most common weapons.

TAGs are for hurting people. Big beatsticks.

I can bring a Squalo, hacker support,REMs and a core link at 300pts

I get where you are coming from, since most Ariadnan units are (way too) good and pretty cheap

>>53100802

But for the price of that tag, surely you could bring two to four other models, that not only provide their own specialties but also add double to quadruple the orders to your total pool?

>>53100611
That's what we call 'dragon syndrome' locally. Basically, as cool as that huge dragon model is, for it's price I could also include a hundred more archers. There's a place for either, but I still have some trouble with adhering to that.

>>53100936
However, you must also pay the price $$$ for those 100 archers. Dragon may be literally cheaper.

>>53100850
>>53100611

TAGs are the best way to run amok when there is an opening for it. A Jotum has Arm 13 in cover and a weapon for each range band to ensure high probability of success with 3 fuck ups before you lose. In Ariadna, a lot of your choices are throw away models that serve to give you orders and maybe a lucky shot ARO.

You can still jam in a lot of orders even before an expensive TAG to do all the things you need. And then you got a fucking monster Rambo and in the right spot, they can be devastating. The trouble is they are susceptible to hackers and other nonsense. So it is an all or nothing thing.

>>53100850
Once you have your ten orders to fuel the TAG with you should be good. Anything beyond that is either redundancy or shenanigans, because, realistically-speaking, when you build for a TAG your plan begins and ends with that TAG.

anyone messed around with ALIVE yet, in whole or parts? How do they play?

>>53101279
They're basically cheating

>>53101831
Oh? More details, please, I'm curious.

>>53100850

Imagine you're playing Nomads, and your toughest attack piece is an HMG Intruder. Intruder has one wound and dies instantly to a single crit. Now, I could run 2 Intruders for the price of a [Nomad TAG], but if I spend three orders to move my Intruder into place before it dies, I have to spend another three orders to move my backup Intruder into place (plus higher SWC).

Alternatively, I can take a Szalamandra. It has more armor out of cover than the Intruder has in cover, but it doesn't have Camo, and it has a penalty to dodge. This means that the Szalamandra is much worse in the reactive turn, but much better in the active turn. It also has 6-4 movement compared to 4-2, so if it took 3 orders to move-move the Intruder, I can do that in two orders, or even move-move and move-shoot.

Now, because it has 3 wounds, if I fail an armor roll, I'm not immediately screwed. I can fall back and hide so he doesn't die on the reactive turn, and I have the option to heal it with an Engineer.

TAGs are just extremely order-efficient attack pieces. If you're even slightly lucky, you can easily clear 30-40pt models without losing a wound or risking the loss of a model. You just need to be able to keep it alive for turn 2.

>>53101881
Factions in Infinity have been traditionally balanced by several things, one of those being Hacking access. The Hackers that ALIVE provides are basically minmaxed: they don't sag points for the service you want them to provide (Hacking).

Ariadna and Tohaa, two current top-tier factions, benefit the most from the ALIVE hackers, whereas the addition of ALIVE to a faction like Yu Jing or Haqqislam isn't as pronounced. So, they tilt the potential favor towards two already highly-favoured factions. ALEPH doesn't necessarily need them, but they are cheap units hackers nonetheless. Switch's rules also cause some headscratching, as you have seen above.

ITS winner faction will get the ALIVE group permanently, so it's pretty much guaranteed a tourneyfag faction like Ariadna or ALEPH is going to get the ALIVE group.

Also, Combined Army players still don't have a KHD unit, and are pretty salty about that.

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What do I use this guy for now? He doesnt exactly fit with the new models.

>>53102161
Good Hunzakut

>>53102093
>ITS winner faction will get the ALIVE group permanently
I thought the ITS winner got to choose where the ALIVE group went.

>>53093194
I'm so mad. They seem to have nerfed the Regular to lose the Fastpanda. What kind of stealth crap is this? That Fastpanda was cool and gave the Regulars flavor.

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>>53104176
What?

>>53104176
>>53104286
Ah, I see. There's a bug where the printed list doesn't have Fastpanda listed. Thought it was a Stealth Nerf.

Hey, how does the disaster that crashed the global economy and turned North America into a nanite/robot-infested Mad Max wasteland of bandits/nanite clouds/both compare to Eclipse Phase's Fall or the ME3 Reaper Invasion? Obviously, it wasn't so bad that it forced everyone off the planet and murdered billions, but I've been writing up some Donut Steels and I've been finding I've been using "pre-Fall" in some of their backgrounds.

>>53104749
It's really nowhere near as bad

Firstly, it was two separate events that took down the US from the world's premiere superpower

And secondly, it actually is more akin to a post-soviet eastern european shithole

The failure of the dawn mission crashed the economy and created a depression that allowed PanO to gain power, then they went to war, and nanites ate most of the west coast, making it pretty wastelandy, but the east coast and the midwest are actually unharmed if a bit impoverished by infinity standards

I would say the standard of living is comparable to the one we currently have, which is terrible compared to the rest of the universe, where even the totalitarian communistic yu jing makes its workers slave for 20ish hours a week doing minimal labor for reasonable pay

>>53105234
I know about the nanite disaster (was it just nanites? I swear there was other shit involved in the vein of Eclipse Phase being everything the TITANs could toss at humanity), what was the other one?

Also, doesn't PanO/Yu Jing/Haqqislam still have a vested presence on Earth, even if most of their assets and treasures have been moved to new worlds? Like, I doubt Haqqislam would let Mecca and other holy sites like it that easily, nor would the more hardcore nationalists leave their countries (I could see anti-Yu Jing Japanese/Chinese/Korean/Tibetan/etc nationalists stay), on top of MUH PROPERTY bogans and rednecks in A-NZ/US.

Ariadnan CIA effort to reclaim the US as a mission and Mad Max bandits when?

>>53105618
Haqq doesn't own Mecca, they just pray to it. There may be Muslim countries on Earth that are majority-Haqq in terms of religion, but the actual state of Haqqislam doesn't own anything much down there.

PanO owns a huge chunk of Earth. Australia, Indonesia, India, Europe, a lot of South America, and probably other bits of South/Southeast Asia.

Yu Jing has China and the surrounding East Asian states, maybe some of Southeast Asia too.

>>53105702

Yu Jing also owns all of Russia, IIRC?

>>53105769
Nah, Russia's still its own country. It's not as big as it once was, but it's working on that.

>>53105793
>>53105769
Wonder how they view the Russians on Ariadna.

>>53105813
Much the same as they view the Americans

Ariadnans felt betrayed when the wormhole closed, since they believed they were abandoned

Doubly so after their "first contact" afterward with PanO was basically "oh yeah, by the way, gimme all your shit because I technically own it"

>>53105952
So, basically, Russia vs. the Ukraine vs. the European Union, if the Ukraine was more hostile to the EU?

>>53105702
This would be pretty cool justifications for some skirmishes - Haqqislam versus old-school ultrafundamentalist Islamist countries (like maybe doing PanO a favor by destroying a Moro terrorist group bothering SE-Asia PanO), PanO versus butthurt EU remnants, Space Russia vs. Old Russia.

>>53106113
There are some Russian colonies floating about the Sol system. Don't know if they still pay heed to Russia, though, or if they do their own thing.

>>53105702
Didn't PanO and Haqqislam absorb a lot of American refugees? I know Haqqislam took in a lot of NASA personnel as thanks for the colonization mapping efforts.

>>53099310
That is what they did, as far as they can without completely cutting themselves off from the rest of the Sphere.
IIRC the Nomad ships cannot travel wormholes, so they have an uneasy truce with ALEPH on those. But if they found a habitable, empty planet they would probably settle down on it immediately and build their own, ALEPH free colony.

>>53100850
Those orders have to fuel *something*. PanO can't survive on Fusiliers alone, it needs some beatstick like a TAG or a Swiss.

>>53100936
The difference is the dragon does not die to a simple artillery blast, while a hundred archers do. Also usually can fly.

>>53105702
>Yu Jing has China and the surrounding East Asian states, maybe some of Southeast Asia too.
And the Moon.

>>53106693
Nobody has the moon, the only proper inhabited place on it is the Free City of Tycho, which the Nomads support but everybody else is suspicious of because it's full of people hiding from the law. The rest of the place is full of abandoned colony installations that are used as pirate hideaways, counterculture dens, and military training grounds whenever PanO and YJ decide they need some low-G/vacuum combat training.

How popular is this game compared to say warmahordes or malifaux?

>>53099962
>that is not how agriculture works.

First you transform the minerals into a form plants can directly utilise, then you use hydroponics.

The first step might be relatively energy intentisive, so the ships might need some extra reactors.

>>53107047
you do know that you always put in more then you get out of it? even if all nomads were *spit* vegans the ratio is still more stuff put in the form of soil, fertilizers etc, then the stuff you take out of it. Even if you somehow had plants that you use up in 100%, the colony would still be in a perpetual state of being on the brink of starving. One broken agri block, some vegis going bad, or some sort of disease attacking it, and you would have a dead space ship, followed by riots and canibalism.
nomads survive in space only by the grace of aleph.

>>53106966
Popular in europe. In my country there are groups of 15-20+ people in every larger city. And in big cities like Warsaw there is even more. I imagine it is not doing very well in GWlandia.

>>53107233
How is Poland's memeta doing? Did they came up with some brand new cheese?

Does anyone have lore for the Paradiso garrison beyond "multi-faction effort to keep the CI out" and what's in the campaign book?

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>>53107281
This version might be slightly out of date compared to the current build of the core book (5.1).

>>53099310
Because then they'd need to be really worried about Aleph. The reason the Nomads are alive is because people want them alive. Tunguska is an ideal place to keep your dirty money, Corregidor is an excellent source of cheap labour and mercenaries, and Bakunin has all sorts of cutting edge tech which may or may not be legal.
Plus, if they move around and keep making noise then people will notice if they all die in an "unfortunate accident", and Aleph isn't going to risk the human sphere turning against it because it destroyed an entire nation. Nobody in power actually trusts the robot, and that distrust could turn into panic if it kills the Nomads

>>53107438
The other reason is that Aleph seems to be allowing the Nomads to exist for one reason or another - It's speculated in one of the books that the Nomads might be a hail mary attempt to make sure that humanity survives, even if the human sphere falls against an alien power. After all, they can always just fuck off with the best and brightest and try again elsewhere.

>>53107260
Some people are more keen on using TAGs. One guy switched from NCA to CA specifically for the Avatar.
Of course the top Warsaw player is still a 20 order guy, but he's not the top Polish player. Outside Warsaw spam is less prevalent.

>>53107217
So... they just use the material they get from space to make more fertilizer.

Sure they would need a lot of space to make it work, perhsp even whole extra ship or two dedicated to agriculture with their current population density.

Just got a Tohaa 300pt pack for cheap. Can anyone recommend suicide methods so I don't have to paint this shit?

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>>53108048
Please kill me.

>>53102093
>>53101279

What is ALIVE?

>>53108074
Tohaa will do that to a man

>>53108048
Try to eat an entire artichoke, without cutting or chewing.

>>53108082
A hacker group that has been added to all factions aside from CA this ITS season. Bit&KISS, Cypher and Switch.
Switch in particular is an odd one, as he's KHD with Holo1. Basically he's always useful. I joked that it's be ironic if they landed in Nomads, as much as they thematically fit, because Nomads already have cheap excellent hackers, but Switch has become an early pick for my Corregidor lists.

>>53107796
To makes fertilezer you need even more resources. Fuel, parts for macines, and if you use natural stuff[aka manure] you need food for the human/animals. Dude I made my major in animal husbandry on a agriculture focused high school. You would require a ton of space, a ton of energy and even then you could support only a very small population. And any break in the chain of production would automaticly mean hunger.

>>53108478
I hope JCC gets them so they actually have a fucking reason for their wonderful repeater network. Be bad news for Gromoz though.

>>53108478
Switch is crazy for 14 points. Frenzy does basically nothing when he does all his work through repeaters and sits in the back like a bitch, and the holoprojector lets him take a hacker by surprise and probably kill them.

>>53108607
Hellcat AHD and Bandit KHD are respectable already. They're not the super hackers that vanilla has, but neither are ALIVE.

They don't really step on Gromoz' toes though. She's a supportware monkey with a pitcher to extend the hacking network. That's basically her entire deal.

>>53108453
>artichoke
>Artificial Choke

It all makes sense now.

>>53108847
I often use Bandit KHD, but hardly ever for hacking. WIP12 is just not that good for KHD, it's merely just another tool in his toolbox profile; usually I end up shotgunning or gluing people with her before she dies.

Hellcat AHD I've actually never used before. I always opt for either the cheap BSG profile or surprise flanking HMG.

Agree about Gromoz, no one in ALIVE provides regular Supportware. But for that I found an Alguacil Hacker to be enough. Also Bit has KISS and a FastPanda (and a Pitcher in full set), giving her an edge over Gromoz's Pitcher. Not to mention you probably have at least one Moran on the table anyway.

>>53108902
WIP12 is fine for killer hacking, 5% isn't that big of a difference. The reason Switch is useful is because of holo, his WIP13 is a footnote at best.

>>53106966
Below warmahordes
On par with malifaux

Sooo I was thinking about going into this but heard that the current state this game is shit - Ariadna basicly owns tournament play so does CA - CB became fat cats and dont care about balance at all - is this true ?

>>53111717
It's false.

>>53111726
So can you say that like Yu Jing and Haqq are both viable lists ?

>>53111717
I don't even see Ariadna in my local games. Last time I checked with the few events I kept track of the top ten spots have 9 different factions. Combined Army recently had a surge of extra players trying out Onyx, which is fine but not overpowered. I love deleting their precious Overdrons six ways until sunday every other week.

>>53111775
All lists are viable.

>>53111790
Sure this is simple anwser to complex problem - Yu Jing seem to have 1 CC over other in a game that CC rearly matters ...

>>53111803
They also happen to have top-tier heavy infantry and arguably best paratroopers in the game.

>>53111803
So to make up for it Yu Jing plays to cover a lot of corners, like the Hac Tao having a nanopulser, KHD, and kinematika over its Swiss Guard equivalent.

>>53111829
So If I want to get 300 pts (this is still the normal game format ?) army that I can play games at store and don't be gimped from the start what could i get ?

>>53111893
Literally anything except the Shasvasti sectorial of Combined Army because they're getting reworked soon (but they do have good link with Gwailos and Sheskin).

>>53111893
Maybe stay clear of FRRM too. I love them, but they have been left behind by CB and won't be updated for years. USA kicked their update out of the books it was supposed to be in and supposedly Kazaks are next in line. So the sectorial has been the same since the last edition and won't change for several more years.

Have the bets models in Ariadna, though.

>>53111969
Ok so if I like Imperial Service the most what should I buy ? I like the look of agents and Bao troops and Sun Tzu - are they viable ?

>>53112249
Yeah Bao Troops are solid sources of MSV2, Sun Tze's viable just kind of a pricy investment.

Core ISS units you'll most likely need are the Kuang Shi, Celestial Guard, Remotes boxes, the Sophotect (Aleph unit but its your only healer/engineer and a good one at that) [Use a Deva to proxy if you understandably don't want to buy that box). The ninja tactical bow or hacker and the Kanren are both good midfield skirmishers you'll want.

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>>53111717
That is the opposite of truth.

>>53112249
ISS Box, Pheasant with Red Fury, Celestial Guard Box, Bao box, sophotect. Also the basic remote box and Rui Shi box are good choices.

>>53113054
Isn't the celesial box ugly? I was told that I should buy two normal yu jing sets and use zanshis as kuang chis and celestials.

>>53111969
Oh, Shasvastii aren't THAT bad.

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>>53113523

The Hacker and Spitfire both look fine. They will be who you need most with the 3 in the ISS box for your link.

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>>53113523
Why don't you just look at the catalogue and judge for yourself?
Many people call Carlota ugly and I am rather fond of her model.

>>53111775
>are they both viable lists?
>doesn't post the lists
Please do.
And if you meant the factions, yes they're both viable.

>>53113827
He didn't ask for viable lists, he asked if Haqq and Yu Jing ARE viable armylists. Learn to read.

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So, I was working on a list to represent Emily handleman's team and this is it so far.
Thoughts?

>>53116349
The lack of a Dogface or Ninja is fiercely upsetting my autism.

>>53116349
Saito Togan is right there as a ninja with smoke dude.

I was trying to avoid named characters

>>53101992
>I have the option to heal it with an Engineer.

Except, are you really going to risk knocking structure off your manned TAG, even with a particularly good engineer like a clockmaker.

Repairing TAGs while they are still operating is really a remote presence only feature.

>>53118269

If you have a 1w, 35-50pt model go after a bunch of cheerleaders and he takes a crit, you're boned; no options. If your 3w TAG takes a random crit or two, you still have the option to move him back to a good position to be repaired, or just Suppress a corner. You might not want to do that. But, you have the option to do so.

If I'm running a SWAST who eats a wound on the active turn, I'll try to put him somewhere a paramedic/doctor would have a good chance to heal him if dies on the reactive turn. Not necessarily take him out of the fight, but I understand that with only one wound, he's a juicier target, so I'll make it harder for him to get killed and easier to be saved (when prudent).

>>53118269
>>53119517

Yes, you can't repair him unless it's a remote presence TAG, but TAGs are hard to kill. Many people won't go out of their way to completely remove it, so they'll just let it sit there unconscious. If I can reliably get an engineer to it within 2 orders, it's often worth trying in my opinion.

>>53119557
And this is why we ALWAYS double-tap (important) bodies that can get up.

Anyone got a scan of the Manga?

>>53119924
Last link in the OP.

>>53116387
>>53116533
>>53116878


I mean they do call him an Oniwaban, which is pretty close with the MA level but not the infiltration level. Either way, smoke, and the combi rifle makes him the closest match by far and a lot more obvious Analogue than the Yuan Yuan. He's basically Saito but disposable Just inspect element and rename the character if it bothers you so much.

On that note I'd use McMurrough as Domovoi too, but there really should be other mercenary dogfaces using Transmutation.

>>53119960
I am blind. Thanks fampai

>>53112249
The heavy infantry Sun Tzu is viable and tough as all hell. You don't need to worry about your lieutenant dying if he's in charge.
The sniper Sun Tzu 2.0 isn't very good though. He trades in that toughness to become a decent sniper, but he's still an obvious lieutenant and very expensive, so he'll be targeted and killed very quickly.

Bao troops are alright, but they're unconventional as multispectral visor troops. The sniper is okay for shooting people who want to advance under cover of smoke, but as soon as anybody actually takes a shot at him he's going down.
The really good ones are the MSV combi rifle+light shotgun loadout and the MSV boarding shotgun loadouts. The combi rifle is good for solo work, heading into the midfield and getting close enough to kill some infiltrators with his shotgun before putting his rifle into suppressive fire mode so nobody can get close.
The boarding shotgun is better accompanying Pheasants in a haris link team. You're not allowed to use suppressive fire in a link, so the raw power of the boarding shotgun wins out. Whether you take the biometric visor or the contender depends on the situation, the BMV allows you to see through holoprojectors and impersonators, but the contender lets you shoot back at attackers from longer range. You can even take both if you want.

Stumbled across https://legionforge.com/discounted-infinity-minis.html when I was looking for discounts. Prices seemed too good to be true, anyone know anything about them?

>>53121520
hmm. selling sniper wall bounty hunter. i'ma say they're recasters most likely.

I really like the idea of a Crane Rank+Celestial Guard escorts, so I don't want to run the Kuang Shi core team.

Does anyone have any tips for this formation? How necessary is Xi Zhuang in that link, I can proxy him for my Spec Ops+2 Crazy Koalas. Do I need a hacker in the Fireteam or is an EVO Pangulin in the back good enough?

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Trying to ID this terrain, anyone have any idea who makes it? Several of these lift type/support beams

>>53122506
Zhuang doesn't have to be part of it, but he really is a bargain at 20 pts. Not only is he a wip 14 specialist, but he's a number 2 that's actually worth taking and has the added bonus of a flamethrower and madtraps. As for the rest of the link, I would take a control device for the smoke alone, add a second specialist (hacker>2nd FO imo), then fill the spot with a lieutenant who will die, a cheap backup spitfire, or just a warm body.

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Just put together one of the CNC Tactical vehicles. Required a little bit more trimming than I was expecting, but it's a neat kit. Should help block LOF on often streets without looking out of place.

>>53122506
Xi is a good really addition to the link, bringing a lot of tools for a great price, but you can skip.

The CG hacker can be outside of the fireteam or have the Evo take care of supportware duties.

Honestly you can get a lot of freedom with this team. All the Crane variants work pretty well with the posse. The same with the CG. If you have a SWC weapon CG they will want in on the fireteam for the burst and BS bonus. The CG FO and KSCD tend to be staples in most Crane posses though due to cheap specialist and burst 2 smoke launcher .

Is there any model that could replace Sun Tzhe as a proxy, or is there no model that looks anything simiular. Spec ops is sadly out of the question, because am using her already as a celestial guard controler.

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Took maybe 20 minutes. Liking it more than the light blue wash. Thoughts?

>>53122177
nice, kek

>>53122879

Ok then my go to link will probably be
Crane
Xi Zhuang
Smoke
2 FO CG (because Flash Pulse AROs are better than most guns)

I figured Zhuang's Mad Traps were pretty useful. Number 2 will also save me from losing the leader when I want to FO with a warm body and fail horribly.

>>53122177
what is this referring to?

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Infinity has hot chicks (and guys) who will likely get:

>pierced by bullets
>cut to pieces by swords
>blown up by explosives
>burned by flamethrowers
>melted by viral weapons
>corrupted by alien AI
>murderraped by pupniks

And much more... it even heretical church of BDSM. And most models have cube, which means they can enjoy the pleasure of being killed multiple times.

Is it gurofag’s dream game?

>>53123480
Needs some shading and highlights.

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>>53123890
Go away.

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Question:

What do you want to see CB do with MRRF?

>>53123914
Briscards and/or zouaves haris.

What do we know about the new sniper Merc?

I heard she's ISS and has a Viral Sniper Rifle. Depending on her load out and price she may compete with the Husong Yaokong for me as an ARO piece.

>>53124216
May or may not have Camo.

>>53123913
>moderate sexual fetishism

Anyhting involving death is pretty hardcore, m8.

>>53124256
IMmoderate

>>53107322
I like how this is essentially Hawai'i/Guam/Saipan with more Caribbean heat, plus aliens.

>>53124216
New sniper character? You mean knauf right?

>>53124814
There's a new merc sniper ccming out called Luna or something.

>>53120393
Can you have multiple haris teams ? I thought abut team with hsien and 2 something something warriors and 2 bao and pheasnt with boarding shotgun - I would have 2 nice teams - one to engage from affar and shotgun team to go in and kill stuff from 8 inches. On top of that what is the verdict on ninja bow hacker - this mini is so great and i love ninja fluff and bow but is he viable ? I want to take 2 hacker killing decives and fry opponent hackers to hell (other will be the dude with pistol and monofilament)

>>53124930
Nope. You can have one core team, one haris team and an infinite number of duo teams.

The bow hacker is the best Ninja. The bow itself isn't very good, but it's cheaper than a rifle and Ninjas shouldn't be shooting people anyway. Ninjas are made to sit in hidden deployment and wait until someone gets close, at which point they reveal and stab them to death. Having the KHD allows them to kill hackers from further away and also makes them a specialist for scenarios that require them.

>>53123890
No it doesn't. No it isn't. Fuck off.

>>53122879
Looks cool. I can see it working well airbrushed in blacks with grey highlights, like a night-time urban tactical.... thing.

>>53123480
Spend longer. MAKE yourself spend longer. You're never going to get a good looking model in 20 minutes.

>>53123890
You forgot
>eaten alive by angry Dogfaces.

>>53123480
Much better than your first go. Keep on practicing. Some shading will do wonders.

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>>53124216
Her stats went up about 30 minutes ago.
Seems alright. I'd like to do a game where somebody gets Knauf for free and somebody gets Lunah for free and you get a point or two for killing the opponents merc sniper.

Fluff wise Lunah witnessed some atrocities under the Hassassins, so quit and became a star on Ariesteia whilst finding ways to expose Hassassins, then got offered a job by Yu-Jing for propaganda reasons. Something along those lines.

>>53125546
Knauf would trash that little whore the moment she revealed herself though. Not even a fight.

>>53121520
Because of that Exclusive Crane Rank, Dire foes out of the box, and bounty hunter sniper selling along with separate weapons, looks like the legendary recasts I've heard about. The Hsiens are Tuaregs though so maybe they just straight up don't know what they're selling. Can't say for sure, I don't know anything about them.

>>53122666
seems like a lamp post

>>53123890
>And most models have cube, which means they can enjoy the pleasure of being killed multiple times.
>>53125546
I flipping knew she'd have some kind of close combat bloat, but at least it isn't too terrible. The discount from religious troop and limited camouflage helps. I don't think I like her all that much

>>53123890
>And most models have cube, which means they can enjoy the pleasure of being killed multiple times.

If you're exceedingly rich that is.

>>53125590
Yeah, but Knauf has no equal.
Not anymore

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>>53125704

>>53125590
It'd still be a cool thematic match for a sniper duel if you balanced it somehow.

>>53125704
Straight savage.

>>53125546
"Glad" to see she's available in vanilla Yu Jing as well.

>>53125546
She seems adequate. Like a slightly more capable Raiden that can be taken in ISS. I'm more impressed with her than I was with the shitty Armand knockoff.

>>53122666
Probably locals from Bialystok. Does it come glued to the table?

>>53125546
Really annoyed shes basically a better viral sniper lasiq. Higher BS and a marker state for 4 points.

Thinking I might take Lunah as an annoying ARO piece in ISS since Husongs need a hacker to join the list and someone tossing supportware on them.

What do you guys think? She's better than a Pheasant Sniper I think.

>>53121520
Pity no limited Joan. The singles and weapons make it suspect.

>>53121520
>>53127631
>Just noticed they sell Kingdom Death

I take back the suspect, its definitely recasts. No one sells legit KD, which is a damn shame.

>>53127442
It's not that straight forward. For a start, they're both BS12. Lunah does lose Climbing Plus and X-Visor, both useful tools on a sniper. Lunah's a more offensive piece with higher movement, multiterrain and stealth, plus of course limited camo. Lasiq's are more obvious ARO pieces to sit there and look scary.
Plus they're in two completely different factions, which also changes the comparison.

>>53127592
If you want annoying sniper ARO in ISS take a Dakini, which still has Mimetism, and can have B2 in reactive phase, or Marksmanshship in the active phase with a friendly hacker.

>>53127442
You know Lasiq are BS12 right?

>>53125974
Nah I got it in a trade. Just looking for the manufacturer.

Locals from Bialystok? I don't speak jive :) Is that a Poland terrain company? Only one I know is Zen and it's not his.

>>53128294
It's a town that has a retarded Infinity meta.

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>>53127706

>YFW even recasters won't mold the Wet Nurse

>>53128294
Nah, Zen is awesome, so are others Polish terrain dudes. By Bialystok I meant the retarded meme meta that had problems with snipers with LOF to everything, camping from lampposts attached to the table.

Am I derping or does Viral Ammo fuck TAGs and HI?

>>53129505
You are derping.

>>53129505
It's still not great for them. They ignore the shock effect, but it's still two wound rolls against BTS, which can be lower than ARM depending on the unit.

>>53129505
The Shock effect from Viral does not affect things with STR or 2+W but otherwise making them do two damage rolls is more likely to do damage by simple logistics of chances, even if the target has BTS 6 or something. You're only derping a little bit, most likely.

>>53129542
>>53129703
Note that Viral does not actually cause a proper, upper case 'Shock'....Shock Immunity does not help, for example

>>53129967
Huh, well damn you're right.

>>53129967
Yeah, sorry, that S was upper case was a mistake from me writing the sentence and writing "the" in front of it later.

>>53130097
The whole reason Loup Garou (wolf hunters) use viral is because Antipodes and Doggies aren't immune to Viral (exotic ammunition compared to the standard shock)

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>>53128631
>>53128631
well something like this could be a problem if you had 2-3 of those

I'm kind of interested In trying out infinity. The main thing stopping me is the gf. She plays most minis games I do with me and I'll have a whole lot less arguing about picking up ANOTHER game if I can get her interested too. The trouble is, she only likes sexy lady models (at least it's the gateway to getttimg her to try the game, and she'll move on from there). On top of that, she needs to feel like her toys have a decent chance of winning. What sort of minis should I show to her? What might be a good starting list to buy her that will trigger her sexy anime senses?

TL;DR If I wanted to go full cheesecake but still have a decent time playing the game, what faction and models should I pick up?

>>53130704
ALEPH.

>>53130704
Nomads.

>>53123914
Would love a Harris link and for Mirage 5 to become a duo, or have a duo option.

Not strictly related to FRRM, but I would like the Anaconda to get buffed. It's such a terrible TAG. Additionally, I'd like to see some actual heavy infantry and multiple wound models in the sectorial and some kind of non character dogfaces.

Caledonia has Wulvers with two wounds and Cameronians dog warriors as well as Mormaers who ARM 5 and dogged and can play at being real heavy infantry. USA got Blackjacks and Devildogs and vanilla has transforming dogfaces and rather elite Vet Kazaks.

Just something more than one wound ARM 3 as the heaviest "heavy infantry" available for them would be nice. I'd also really like to keep ALIVE, but it's not necessary. Something to help them regain the feel of their role as the high tech sector of Ariadna. Having a hacker, TAG, viral, and easy access to MSV1 used to be unique for them.

Failing that, if CB goes a different route making them more unique rather than more comparable to other stuff out there I'd to see more unique deployment options for them.

>>53130937

I'm new to Infinity but I don't get the benefit of a duo team. I mean, it just saves you one order right but only one guy can shoot when you do that? Seems weak?

>>53131239
It's certainly not as strong as a full fireteam, but yes it saves you orders and allows the two models to be more efficient in general. They also will only generate one ARO.

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>>53130704
Probably Bakunin. Riot Grrls are disgustingly good, and probably the best balanced HI fireteam in the game. All the Reverend troops are awesome in their own ways, and Kusanagi makes their fireteam options super powerful.

>>53130704

These>>53130727
>>53130729
are both right. ALEPH has a bunch of robo chicks and greeks, is usually more elite and thus requires less models to field. They have access to the stupidly broken Proxies, 1-3 are all robo girls. Devas are uggo. Also Brad Pitt is a scary murder machine.

Nomads have 4 different all female units, 3 are various flavors of bdsm nuns and the last is probably the most cost efficient HI in the game. The Riot Grrls (HI) are getting new sculpts soon, the nuns are all up to date, excluding Custodiers but they look fantastic anyway.

>>53130704
The interfaction balance is pretty decent in this game you're not particularly gimping yourself by picking a certain faction or sectorial, but you would be if you were picking only sexy looking units from the faction.

Anyways, a good highlight reel of sexy models that are also good in game would be

Highest suggestion
Nomads:
>Uberfallkommando unit (the "winter vixen" Chimera surrounded by Pupniks in a reverse Harem)
>Riot Grrrls (make the best Heavy Infantry Link team in the game and otherwise look like punky chicks with nipples on their armor, I've seen these painted pink to fleshy or black colors with decent effects)
>Reverend Moiras, Reverend Custodier, Reverend Healers
All battle-nuns who wear some leggings, Moira in particular have some exposed thighs and rears.
>To a lesser extend the girl Morlocks

Haqqislam
>has a core unit of Odalisques, who are tough Fem Fatale light infantry with sexiness distracting the enemy as an actual in game mechanic
>The Nazarova Twins
Giraldez painted the nipples showing through one of their shirts
>Hunzakut Light Grenade Launcher
>Hassassin Fiday Boarding Shotgun

Now for the lesser examples I'm only bothering with just one example:
Ariadna
>Caledonian Volunteer
Pan Oceania
>Tech-Bee
Yu Jing
>Shinobu Kitsune
Combined Army
>Speculo killer
Aleph
>Atalanta (and her little bunny spotbot)
Tohaa
>Tohaa Diplomat

Most TAG pilots have needless cheesecake (even the male Scarface to a certain extent)
It's often easy enough to have half of your army being female without actually intending it.

Your "gf" sounds nice, is she single?

>>53131673
>Yu JIng
>Not the Guijia pilot

>>53131239
Keep in mind its essentially free, both in true cost and in opportunity cost. Is most useful when you can pair a specialist and a striker. As the striker is clearing a path for the specialist, the specialist is making its way down the path using the same orders.

>>53131886
Included under "TAG Pilots"

In retrospect
>not the O-Yoroi Pilot, a model so nice we got it thrice

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>>53132018
>>53131886
Honestly, I think Red Veil Ninja is the new hotness for Yu Jing's sexy animu lady quota.

What are things to know about, in CHA, using a link team of wallace and four wulvers? It looks really strong and cool, but I'm not great at the game so I'm wondering what are some of the need to know pros and cons of running it.

>>53132135
Best killer hacker ever.

>>53131239
Duo works as a nice way of getting a shooty guy to drag along a specialist of some kind. Or you have two shooty guys that shoot differently. Taskmaster is probably the poster child of shooty Duo; lots of weapons for every range and koalas to lock down a huge section of the board, just daring you to try to get through them.

>>53132135
Ninja booty is absolutely criminal.

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>>53132760
No anon, Ninjas (who do not exist) serve with the ISS, and thus are the law and highly legal.

>>53130704
Nomads bakunin sectoral.
Morias core with a reverend healer and kusinagi + three morias with multi rifles, one being a hacker
Riot girls Harris with combi rifles and at least one being a spec ops.
Flavour with moderators and remotes.

There you go, an all (or nearly all) sexy female army.

Why does the Female Imperial Agent Pheasant Rank have no ponytail?

>>53130704
>she only likes sexy lady models
Well, you've picked the right game, that's for sure.

>>53133572
The Queue was a hairstyle more often worn by men (or at least traditionally). Females need not apply.

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>>53131608
How come I've never seen a Reverend Moirass/MoreAss etc joke before?

>>53133953
Because the rumor is they've got teeth down there.

>>53133953
Are those coat tails separate pieces on two sets of identical legs. Can you just leave them off haha asking for a friend

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Fucking Nomads.

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>>53134040
Google seems to say yes

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>>53130704
Go for a Bakunin sectorial list, with either Moira or Riot Grrls Core link and then either Custodier or Riot Grrls Haris (depending on which one was the Core). Add some sexy Moderators (does she like Marvel movies?) and an Uberfallkommando for a bit of furry spice. Then get pic related as the HVT (obligatory civvie model).

>>53134251
Filthy space gypsies leave pure stately Yu Jing women alone.

Go Go Marlene would be a great HVT for her hypothetical force if she wasn't limited edition and now absurdly expensive.

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Not the guy asking, but it looks like this right here would be about the best option for a Sexy Ladies Of Bakunin list, yeah?

Is Uxía with Shotgun any good?
She's Caledonian, right?

>>53134391
I would give the Riot Grrl a Missile Launcher instead of a Spitfire. They're going to be defensive in a Moira Core list, so it's better to give them a long range weapon that is as dangerous in ARO as in Active turn. Not to mention it's anti-tank.
I'd exchange Uberfallkommando and Morlock for Moderators/Transductor or a Zero. Maybe have one Morlock, but those models are very order hungry, as are Moiras.

That list is very much playable tho.

>>53134412
she's the cloest we have to an auto-include. One has the only MSV in caledonia, and the other has specialist operative, 2 assault pistols, and sup. infiltration. Both are viable.

>>53134198
That's really cool. Thanks for sharing.

Now that I think of it, Infinity graffiti should have all kind of QR-codes, AR options and malicious links in them.

>>53128424
Found one within 30 seconds.

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>>53133355
>mfw pic related

>>53134198
Custodiers are forever best girls.

>>53134391
Shame about the kusanagi model.

>>53108847
You need holo2 to surprise, not holo 1.

You can surprise via cybermask though, since it is a marker state.

>>53108847
>Frenzy does basically nothing
It gives him a free order to kill more hackers or push buttons.

ALIVE was a mistake.

>>53134728
>Shame about the kusanagi model.
I think the face sucks, old faces generally suck, but other than that I really like the model

What is currently the weakest/most in need of a fix sectorial?

>>53136116
Shasvastii

>>53136116
Stay frosty ... it's Shasvasti

>>53135752
I mean surprise as in actually surprise, not surprise shot. With holo1 the opponent doesn't know that you have a killer hacker, and that's very nice. Even when you don't use him he still contributes, because the opponent doesn't know you aren't using him so they still need to be careful.

I wouldn't head forward with Switch, in fact I think his frenzy exists to stop that. He goes down quick when people actually decide to kill him, and after he's made impetuous he can no longer benefit from cybermask. Cypher is better for running around.

>ALIVE was a mistake.
Yeah probably.

>>53136124
SEF for sure.

>>53136116
Shasvasti, Shasvasti, Shasvasti, and MRRF

>>53134198
Ooh, MAS have new graffiti sheets? Thanks for the heads up.

>>53136116
Shasvastii, then MRRF.

I don't normally play PanO, but I've got Knauf and a bunch of citadel colors. Should I paint the blue armor plates like I would a space wolf or Crimson Fist?

So is the new Sniper chick worth using in ISS or are we better off with Dakini to save points or a Bao sniper?

>>53137611
I would say a dakini because dakini can get real Marksmanship.

>>53137611
Eh. I'd take her over a Bao but Dakinis are pretty strong when supported. Depends on whether I'm willing to dedicate the extra points for a Dakini/hacker combo.

Cheesecake hunter here. Thanks for the advice, I'll link her some models and see if she won't bite.

And this isn't a "asking for a friend" scenario. If I was looking for tits I'd ask for them, but there are already a few things I thought might be cool. I don't care what folks on an anonymous image board think of me, I'm just super glad you helped out.

>>53138458
You didn't answer my question.

Is your girlfriend single?

>>53089914
Hey guys, I just got into Infinity and I am hoping for some list feedback. What is the best way to post a list?

>>53138757
Probably a screenshot of the list in army. Army codes are a pain and it's easier to see in a screencap format.

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So I'm trying to into ISS and will be playing my first game as them next week.

So far this list seems to have most of what I want. My specialists are the Pheasants, Ninja, a CG hacker, and the Sophotect so I think I can cover a lot of objectives.

With the Rui Shi, Bao, and Zhangying I figure I have decent levels of anti camo through unaltered discover checks/sensor/triangulated fie.

Against asshole snipers my best bet seems to be smoke from my core team since that +3 BS really helps extend the viable range for shooting smoke.

I have no forward observers sadly though.

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>>53138788
here you go. The Order Sergeants are linked.

I remember playing this with a maptool module a few years ago, is that still around?

If the thread is auto saging can we get the next OP to have Asuka Kisaragi art?

>>53139130
only thing I can see that could be better is more reliable long range firepower.

>>53140180
If something has MSV2 and long range then I'm a little boned on that aren't I? Maybe if i apply triangulated fire I can overcome that?

For range I can bring the Zhanying Rocket, Bao Sniper in the link, or I can swap Ninja Hacker for Lunah haha.

I can scrap my Haris for the Hsien Haris while dropping the Rui Shi that way I get MSV2 and a Zhangying rocket with Haris bonuses.

>>53136304
It's pretty hard to activate his frenzy without hacking, since beside knife his other weapons don't do damage.

>>53140363
Well, hacking is his job. Twin E/Mitters aren't that good at BS11 unless you're facing a carbonited HI or something and want to immobilize it more permanently, and the stun pistols are generally pretty bad. Most of his work is done with that KHD, and he's more likely to get multiple kills with it if he's safe at the back with a repeater network or even just Cypher to hack through.

>>53140290
I'm really wondering why the double pheasants. Why don't you trade in that Madtrap Pheasant for a Bao MSR and give madtraps to your zhanying? Also the CG FO is a simple swap at 13 points.

Maybe it's worth grabbing a Crane in there for more staying power.

Overall, I'm really wondering what your plan here is for the game. I mean you have orders, but I'm not sure what you are doing with them.

I mean you're not drowning you opponents in orders (remote heavy are better for that) and not really commanding strong board presence. There's not a whole lot that will knock your opponent off balance either through brute force or appearing at inconvenient places. This is important because outside of the Ninja, your specialists have to walk their way to the objectives.

With solid tactics and understanding of the mission, I can see this taking the day, but I'm wondering what's so special about this composition.

>>53141515
MSR in a doorkicking link is pretty pointless. Another shotgun Bao could work to free up points, but a long range gun doesn't belong on a short range midfield link that should be staying inside imo. Madtraps on the Zhanying could be okay, without a sniffer it will need to move forward on its own to use sensor. But desu a better alternative to that would be to just get a sniffer bot and have the Zhanying laze around as a lieutenant option.
If one Pheasant is removed, the Zhanying is given madtraps and a basic CG is replaced with an FO then that's one fragile and extremely obvious lieutenant with one CoC backup that will be hanging out in dangerous territory.

The lack of range is the bigger issue. A Husong would be my suggestion, it's pretty cheap and can work both offensively and defensively. Slap on assisted fire, kill those mean MSV2 bullies and send in the troops to conduct business at short range.

>>53139138
I don't like linked Konstantinos. It leaves him too far back to be of use.
Also unlinked Magisters are going to be easy to kill. Did you plan to do a pseudo-link with Joan's special Coordinated Order?

>>53141657
Do you think a Red Fury Pheasant could be leveraged well in a list without a Haris to back her up?

>>53141795
Eh, probably. If any Pheasant could be it would be her. Just make sure to put her into suppressive fire, otherwise she's short on defensive options.

>>53141805
Madtrap Pheasant is a good standalone too.
Combi/EMitter/X-Visor is a very good loadout.

I also do not use suppressive fire much, I opt for very aggressive play, then hiding units. Go for killing orders, then making it order intensive to even approach your speedbump units.

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We all know the best way to stabilize the big buildings from CB is to put the cardboard miniature boxes in them. But how do you weight down the small ones? After all they're good looking and have printed ladders on them (most cargo containers terrain doesn't), might as well use them along with some of my more sturdy stuff.

>>53142605
Fill with expandy insulation foam then use a few rocks or washers on the bottom.

So .. I bet y'all are using Knauf as anything but, so what are you using him as?

Hunzakut? Locust? Authorized Bounty Hunter? Armand?

>>53143986
Placeholder in the painting queue, apparently.
It's not a particularly good-looking mini that also I can't use in any of the sectorials I play, so he's got super-low priority right now.

>>53143986
>So .. I bet y'all are using Knauf as anything but, so what are you using him as?
Forgot where I've put it...

>>53143986
It's a shame Neoterra and ASA can't take him, he'd fit well into both forces. As is, I have no use for the model beyond hanging out with the Bolts on my display.

>>53143986
Filler for Random Unassembled Infinity Minis Box #18.

>>53130585
Nah, that gives no cover. You might eat one ARO when they come out of camo, but then you just dump everything on them.

>>53145149
well you could give them mini bunker on the top by wraping the nest in aluminium foil. +4 armor for reinforced super steel.

>>53143986
His stats don't look that bad to me?
The model is a bit plain though.

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Ok, ok, I see what's happening here
You're face to face with greatness, and it's strange
You don't even know how you feel
It's adorable!
Well, it's nice to see that humans never change
Open your eyes, let's begin
Yes, it's really me, Achilles: breathe it in!
I know it's a lot: the hair, the bod!
When you're staring at a demi-god
What can I say except you're welcome
For aliens, and scum, that die
Hey, it's okay, it's okay
You're welcome
I'm just an ordinary Robot-Guy!
Hey!
What has two thumbs and fought aspects of EI
When you were waddling yay high
This guy!
When Combined got a hold
Who protected Paradiso
You're lookin' at him, yo
Oh, watch how far I can run
You're welcome!
To slice you up and shoot my gun
Also my hair flows in the breeze
You're welcome!
With ODD I can bring the cheese
So what can I say except you're welcome
For my biosenthetic body
No need to go gay, it's okay
You're welcome!
Ha, I guess it's just my way of being me
You're welcome!
You're welcome!
Well, come to think of it
Kid, honestly I can go on and on
I'm an individual of mass destruction
Those Nomads gunned into the ground? oh
That's Achilles just messing around
the weakness in my heel,
Is kinda nuts
So I wear extra armor when I'm kicking butts
What's the lesson?
What is the take-away?
Don't mess with Achilles when he's on the break-away
And the Cube 2.0 under my skin
lets me ressurect when I don't win
Look where I've been
I make everything happen
Look at Patroclus just tippity-tappin' (Hey! Hey! Hey!)
Well, anyway let me say you're welcome
For the whole human sphere you know
Hey, it's okay, it's okay
You're welcome!
Well, come to think of it, I gotta go
Hey, it's your day to say you're welcome
'Cause I'm gonna need that ride
I'm flying away, away
You're welcome!
'Cause Achilles can do anything but glide
You're welcome!
You're welcome!
And thank you!

>>53143986
>Hunzakut?
Did you seriously suggest to proxy an awesome mini with a mediocre one?
Come on. At least with ABH you have an excuse of her being hard to buy.

>>53145968
Am I the only person who doesn't like the female Hunzakut mini?

>>53145670
Fuck you
[Spoiler]you magnificent bastard[/spoiler]

>>53143986
Nothing yet, he's very low priority. Maybe Hexa Sniper or as himself in Nomads or Ariadna.

>>53146039
Yes

>>53145670
This is exactly how I imagined Achilles.

So what unit sings "Friends like me?" its obviously a Haq unit or maybe even a Nomad unit.

>>53146187
Hussein Al-Djabel?

>>53145968
Reason I suggested Hunzakut was because I recall him mentioning how they took him in when he was on Bourak.

>>53146039
Probably

>>53145670
*biosynthetic

Can't believe I missed that typo.

>>53139130
As far as I can tell you don't have any serious firepower, it's generally a bad idea to have unspent swc. What makes a kuang shi link so powerful is just how little you have to pay for those orders, but it doesn't matter how little you pay if the best thing you can spend them on is a BS 12 red fury on a guy with no defensive capabilities.

You have no long range weaponry and no way of dealing with a powerful defensive list. Something like an HMG Nisse would wreak havoc on your list. Even TR bots look like they'd cause serious pain to get around.

Your lack of good aro pieces also makes your reactive turn prospects look grim. One decent camo unit marching up to you and your best chance... is a bs 12 b2 boarding shotgun?

I would really try and make room for a su-jian or even a Hsien. In general pheasants are a waste of points, they aren't good shooters, have no way of getting into cc, and have an all-around mediocre stat line.

>>53139138
Konstantinos link should be thought of as the budget alternative if you can't take a magister/hospitaller link. When playing military orders it generally pays to either bring a sergeant list with multiple TO infiltrating mines, auxbot HRLs and the like, or the build a knight list and commit completely to a joan link. Magister knights are the middle ground and work as a core link if you want to test out different units or come up with an unorthodox list. Also, if you're running joan there is no excuse for not taking a warcor and a tech bee. Also should note that with no repeaters, the hacker and engineer amount to paying 61 pts for a single seirra.

>>53146382
Ok I'll probably go with the Hsien HMG link then to pair with the Kuang Shi core when modify that list. Do you think the best third man would be a cheap Zhangying, the Rocket one for nasty ARO/long range game, or the Madtrap one to help protect the link from chain rifles?

How well do CG+Crane links work out? I wouldnt get the sweet free orders, but it seems pretty versatile with Sensor, madtraps, and number 2. Also the models look sick.

what is a viable horde list?

>>53148133
"England still won" with Wallace and a lot of Galwegians.

14 Moderator Spitfires, 1 Kusanagi, 3 UberfallKommandos in Bakunin

A bunch of Hungries in Generic CA

>>53148133


Group 1:

Spetsnaz HMG (ambush camo)
Foxtrot FO
Foxtrot FO
Foxtrot FO
Line Kazak rifle LT
Line Kazak rifle
Metro rifle
Irmandinho chain
Galwegian chain
Dog-Warrior

Group 2:

Spetsnaz HMG (ambush camo)
Spec-Ops: Line Kazak, doctor, hacker, inferior combat jump, chain rifle
Chasseur FO
Chasseur FO
Volunteer chain
Volunteer chain
Irmandinho chain
Galwegian chain
Antipode pack

Group 3:

Warcor

>>53146039
Yes.

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>Karkata
>No bunny ears

>>53146039
Yes

>>53150050
If it weren't for the legs that gal would look surprisingly Nomad.

>>53089914
Never played, saw playing nor read Infinity rules before. But I was checking Onepagerule's Double Tap and I tough it was fun and cool.

How different are they?

>>53150050
Is it me or does the Karkata look like a decent base for an S2 Pi-Well?

>>53150380
Karakuri make a decent base for Pi-Well, or at least that's why my Nomad Opponent keeps borrowing my combi one.
Otherwise, yeah, seems like a good modern standard Zoe and Pi-Well proxy, albeit, y'know, heretical because it's Aleph.
>>53150261
I so agree with you.

>>53150327
Had to look up and read what you're talking about. From what I read, it captures the essence of some infinity core rules in broad strokes, namely movement, the table size/density, modifiers, orders (activation points), guts (morale), but with sizable differences like in infinity there's no moving as a reaction (unless you've successfully dodged). skills like doctor and engineers are actual skills you have to attempt to repair things rather than passive bonuses, and infinity on a whole is more nuanced, flaired, and fleshed out with complexity. You've got rules for leaning out the side of a building, having various techniques of Kung Fu, or using electromagnetic ammunition to immobilize power armor for examples. Definitely similar enough to ease you into the bigger rules sets (which are free) of infinity.

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Ok I tried something else.

Zhangying lietenant faps in a corner activating sensor as needed for my chaiyi's sniffers.

Su Jian with Spitfire does what it does best

Kuang Shi force creates orders

Forward Observer CG creates an order and is a decent ARO flash pulser that can scramble for an objective if need be. Considering replacing him and a yudbot for the Sensor bot.

Zhangying and Wu Ming are my long range ARO pieces.

Group 2 has a sniffer dropping bot

Kanren Forward observer so I have a button pusher partway up the board.

KHD Ninja to deploy hidden or as a marker depending on what I am fighting

Pangguling because I didn't know what to do with 8 points left over. Also I guess Su Jian can reload there if need be.

Sophotect+Yudbots to keep Su Jian alive if it goes 4 structure deep, do some objectives, and maybe keep a few people from dying.

>>53143986
Gonna use him as knauf once or twice for giggles, then I'm gonna do a head swap and either use him as a marksman rifle Locust or a TO sniper sergeant for MO.

>>53145670
And I just finished getting that song out of my head...

>>53150645
>zhangying faps in the corner
>UNF! YEAH! Eat THIS Justice, filthy Nomad propaganda!
>Sir, what's that on the graffiti over there?
>sweatingeagle.jpg

>>53151872
>that's ADH ammo
>But the Madtraps are over there
>>53151763
You're welcome.

>>53150050
>is not a crab despite the name
>actually has a knife
[angry crabbot noises]

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>>53152585
>>53150050
Oh wow, they gave both non-crab looking remote anciliary units knives, and one of them doesn't even carry one in its profile.

>>53140128
You got it boss.


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>>53153426
>>53153426

At least, I hope that's what you meant,
I do think there's some other Asuka art but I couldn't find it

>>53150645
>Pangguling because I didn't know what to do with 8 points left over. Also I guess Su Jian can reload there if need be.

Run the Chaiyi for more sniffers. Little bot won me a tournament.

>>53150050
cuet~

>>53139368


No, anon. Playerbase dropped off years ago, I don't even think the thing was updated to N2.