/hhg/ Horus Heresy General

Let's try and have a decent discussion for once. What did everyone think about the Peturabo book Scananon shared with us?

SHAS O'REDDIT GO BACK

What would people's ideal Perty be, you have all established accounts to use and can also sprinkle in new ideas as long as it's not too edgy

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Have you ever hated yourself so much that you made an entire no-vehicle Custode list at 3k with models you have?

HQ: Constantin Valdor (All Legio Custodes models now have Teleportation Transponders) 275pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla/Sentinel WarBlade and Melta Bombs 310pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla and Solerite Power Gauntlet 325pt

Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Agamatus Jetbike Squad of 6 w/ 2 Corvae Las-Pulsars 500pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Sagittarum Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 340pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Sagittarum Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 340pt

Total = 3000 points

>>53048386
>tfw Emperor let you be the model for his kneecap
BRB my muscles need oiling again

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>>53048386
Finally found the inspiration for these, thanks anon

http://www.mediafire.com/file/yid5y9gb0czd52t/Peturabo_-_The_Hammer_of_Olympia.zip

Don't start another thread war anons please. This is exactly why scanon (praise be) hates us now

>>53048710
why resist then, it takes two to tango

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Legio-Custodes-Tribune-Ixion-Hale-exclusive-Event-Only-model-/182553536818?hash=item2a8109e932:g:PtAAAOSwWiBY-4HP

Anyone know if this is good quality?

>>53048835
Looks like a very clean-cut cast; I'd give it a go. That's a super low price for a recast too.

>>53048941

Well, the product image could be the original rather than the cast, that's the main reason I asked if anyone had experience with it.

Great, now both threads are dead. Thanks you dolt.

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Still need to know what each primarch would look for in a waifu.

Still pretty new to the game, so I have a question: Is there any way to get a second specialist ccw on a WE terminator praetor?
I'd like to think I have a fairly neat conversion idea for the praetor, but the idea of having to put a gun there is annoying...

>>53048453
What, the inspiration for that stormcast? Nah, that came about when I was experimenting with various crests for the helmet and showed them to /wip/ on a lark, who then promptly bullied me into sticking to the twintail version on account of it looking the most ridiculous.

How do people feel about the two weapons options on the Caladius?

AP2 4 shot autocannon vs rail cannon/4shot kraken missile launcher?

I am probably going to run one of each in 2.5k when they release the model

>>53049231
We don't even know that yet. The guns might just as well be the two unused profiles in the custodes list.

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>Hate what 40k is turning into
>Decide to get into Horus Heresy since it isnt braindead
>drop close to $1000 on an army, 3 of the black books, and the 2 marine books
>All the books will now be worthless in a month or two

>>53049135
>lion has bedhair
I like it
>perty has lone hair
DELETE
>perty proudly shows off his dong rather than i just falling to the floor and he doesn't comment
EHY

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>>53049279
>Caladius
>Not telemon

>>53049141
dual lightning claws?
also claw and thunderhammer
>>53049341
>not buying old books fr fluff

>>53049341
>month or two

Do you even forgeworld

>>53049367
Ah, I meant of course in conjunction to the near-obligatory Paragon Blade.

>>53049364
Please ignore me, I am obviously a goddamn moron.

>>53049135
For the confused...

>Dorn
>Curze
>Fulgrim
>Ferrus
not sure
not sure
>Horus
>Lion
>Corax
>Alphy and Oregon
>Mort
>Russ
>Super-Saiyan the Red
>some angry manlet
>Khan
>Pert
>Lorgar
>Guilliman

>>53049231
is that confirmed or just speculation?

>>53050924
Vulkan and Sanguinius are pretty obvious, try harder

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... I am most frustrated right now.

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>>53051013

>>53049231
I've run both and obviously one was a Count-As.

I love the Heavy Arachnus Blaze Cannon. Ran two in a game and holy shit it's amazing. Twin linked and tore through four vehicles on its own in one game that all had front armor 14. The regular Accelerator Cannon is no slouch either but I've had less positive results with it since it feels like a much better Heavy infantry killer; I haven't been able to test it against skimmers or bikes yet, sadly.

So far I feel two Caladius with HABC's are amazing and I think they're very much worth it for the ability to pop most armor with ease. Base Caladius is also amazing but they do very different jobs despite seeming so similar.

>>53050989
This is already in the Book 7, the Caladius comes with the Illiastus or can buy an Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon for 15pts

And a friendly reminder that the Caladius is the Hover Sicaran

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>>53051253
T-there there. If it helps, this could be used as a reboot of sorts to normalize and balance stuff. The ugly transition to 8E would get rid of the power creep.
Because this would be a good thing, this means FW either doesn't switch or the one thing that gets ported to 8E is the actual power creep with W4 Sekhmets dealing D6 Mortal Wounds or something.

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I've still got a bit to go on the Agamatus Jetbikes, but they're getting closer to being done!

I love these things but they combine the worst of vehicle painting with infantry.

>>53051957
I just cant get over how dumb the spear design is

>>53051957
Looking fantastic man! Keep up the good work!

>>53052055
I'd put the blame on the bike itself, as well on the model's inability to hold the lance like it's proper.

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Will the GW Dark Angels upgrade kit in Mk III/IV marines cause spontaneous demonstrations of autism in 30k players? Paying 45 britbux for a single squad of upgrades is a bridge too goddamn far.

>>53052727
Just put studs on the helmet for the winged one to make it MK V and don't use the MK VI.

Done.

>>53052946

Oh, yeah. I meant to mention about the beaky, it can always go on a Warboss bosspole or something.

>>53052986
Honestly if anyone gave you shit for using the upgrade sprue you could honestly just ask them if they're stupid since that gear doesn't invalidate the armor patterns one bit .

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Asking here too since the other thread is actually dying out now: how are chainfists for busting tanks? I've only ever really seen them on paper, since up until recently no one has even bothered to touch them at my LGS (mostly 40k, starting 30k). Would a half power half chain squad be adequate for tank hunting (particularly LRs)?

>>53053078
For Terminators? In a squad of five you only ever need two at most.

>>53053078
Yeah, they're good. armorbane+S8+AP2 means statistically you'll pen anything short of AP2, and after that you've a good chance to explode.

Pop 2-3 in a squad of termies for good general killing, or give a whole squad that and go ham on any Spartans/superheavies.

Yeah, they're good. Best generic bet out there

>>53048284
Oh god damnit... oh well, I can just crosslink my posts in the old thread, since I didn't see this one...

>>53053327
>>53053453
>>53053516
Was wondering if you guys could critique some of the ideas I have for my Custodes Executioners in the posts above, and if you have any suggestions I'm open to hearing them as well.

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>>53053469
Good to know. Because I made my first 5 Cataphractii with chainfists specifically with the idea of them being barfed right onto enemy Landraiders and ripping them open. I'm planning on getting another Calth box soon, so if necessary I can build the other squad with fists (or even claws) to mix and match.

>>53053623
Must say I love how nice and smooth you get your EC's colours.

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>>53053623
this better be traitors and true sons of fulgrim

>>53053607
>>53053659
>Different plume colors
Thank you. Can't believe I didn't think of that.

>>53053814
No problem mate, plus it can add some nice light colors to a very warm palette

I keep on hearing people saying that the Emperor somehow planned for the Horus Heresy happen but is that just retarded headcanon or is there some degree of lore truth to that?

>>53048358
I like his portrayal in Angel Exterminatus. All I'd remove is the decimation.

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>>53053776
I'm going to have to disappoint you. The Emperor's Children may be Fulgrim's sons, but first and foremost they are the pride of the Imperium, and I plan on continuing that legacy.
>>53053646
Thanks! The purple I use is a very strange hybrid pot (since I only own a dark purple, reds, blues, and whites for use, and will likely have to replace soon), but for comparison I think a 50/50 Xereus and Genestealer purple should be close. From there, I give it a Druchii Violet wash, and I've been starting to highlight them with Lucius Lilac (will probably get the Dechala Lilac edge paint to do it by hand rather than drybrushing). Here are the three initial test minis I made with it, built using bits I had on hand.

>>53052946
>>53052986
Why can't Dangles have beakies?

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>>53054162
fucking why

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>>53053896
More than likely it is retarded headcanon (though given the shit that GW has pulled before, I am going to say that with my fingers crossed). Big E's goal was to conquer the Milky Way, reunite mankind, and remove all sources of power for the daemons of the Warp (which in theory would make them disappear). The Horus Heresy completely fucked over the Emperor's idea of getting anything done for the rest of forever, rendered him a vegetable, destroyed thousands of years of work
>And short of Girlyman whipping out a magic macguffin or GW DM fiat, it is unlikely that the Imperium will ever be able to remove the flaming cactus Horus buried its collective ass.

>>53054162
Are you retarded?

>>53054156
I think it's less that they 'can't', and more that 30k Dangles loved using MkII and III. They would've had MkIV-VI in very limited quantities during the Heresy. If you happen to have a pair of MkVI legs lying around and wanna trim the edges off some shoulder pads, I don't see why you couldn't make one though (maybe to serve as an officer or some sort of specialist)

>>53051957
How do you get such a solid, smooth red?

man id be really pissed if i had just bought inferno after waiting years for it, just for it to be invalidated immediately

>>53054427
>man id be really pissed if i had just bought inferno after waiting years for it, just for it to be fucking garbage in terms of overall quality

>>53054427
Thank fuck you didn't so your opinion can continue to be worthless, right?

>>53054427
I know this is bait, but, man, have you even seen Inferno?

>>53054427
>buying HH books only for the rules
Opinion discarded.

Has anyone played a traitor fluffed IF army? I've been catering my army as such and the face of my fellow Fist and the UM players at my shop were appalled and said it wasn't fluffy.

>>53054851
Something something traitors from every legion.

Maybe they were like "hey those iron guys are pretty cool after all"

>>53054873
I'm trying to move away from NotIron Warriors. Just a pessimistic terran vet who took a hand in the death of the thunder warriors and could see that happening in the near future. Also happens to like the smell of phosphex and exterminatus.

>>53054904
Sounds like really old IWs anon. It's a cool idea, it's just IW and IF are incredibly similar to begin with

>>53054851
Is that all the background you have for your dudes?

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>>53054117
>loyalist scum!
nice minis ill show off my traitors when they are done they are EC as well

Can I put Caedere weapons on a World Eaters cataphract praetor? Yes, I know they are shit, but I think there are a bunch of cool conversions to be had.

>>53055595
Technically no because you must exchange your chainsword to get a Caedere...but Paragon blades come in any form you can ever imagine.
A Paragon rocket meteor chain-hammer, for example, would be a completely valid thing to have. You just need your imagination.

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Need your help /hhg/
Which Plasma Pistols should I use for my Loctarus? If it helps I've also added the Bolt Pistols I'm using for the rest of the guys
I do with I could use the Heresy pattern Pistol, but from what I can tell the only ones available in plastic are right handed

>>53056620
You do realize you can cut off the hands from the pistols and replace them with surplus left hands, right?

So what's a good way of getting anti-tank into a Legion list? Looking at Lorgar, 5-10 Gal Vorbak, 10-20 Ashen Circle and Layak, plus a couple Vindicators, a Mortis dread and 100 Fearless Cultists. Would some more Dreadnoughts/Leviathan work? I can't just rely on summoning Plaguebearers.

My other idea was to get a Lascannon HS squad and stick Telepathy buffs on them, but that would eat valuable dice and mean my Chaplain isn't Chaplaining properly.

>>53056903
That list sounds already awful, so just spam rapiers like everybody else.

>>53056903
Get some air support instead of the mortis-dread, a fire raptor/xiphon/lightning will help you with your woes.

I may be late to the party, but I had heard that 30k was staying with 7e rules until the majority of books could be rewritten at once.
Is that changing?

>>53057023
They're working on 8th edition rules for HH already. We don't know when, but apparently they are not far out.

>>53056941
Meta is reasonably chill and I like the models, and Rapiers are expensive as all hell even for FW. How is the the list awful aside from the Ashen Circle not being great? I don't really know what I'm doing with Legions yet.

>>53056949
Oh yeah, Lightnings. That would probably work for some anti-air too, right?

>>53057109
Xiphon removes a single aircraft a turn more-or-less guaranteed, and does decent against medium armour on the ground. While much better at exploding things than the raptor, it puts out much less overall firepower.

Fire Raptor is your gunship, it forces everything in the air to jink due to weight of s7 it puts out, and is great against rhino-chassis vehicles and non-leviathan dreads due to being able to drop loads of s6/7 against their rears.

Lightning is anti-heavy-armour, but except for popping superheavies and spartans its outclassed at everything by the others. That said, it still has some lascannons base i think.

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Agamatus Jetbikes are just about done. A few more edge highlights and then onto some sealing.

>>53057109
It's awful because it doesn't consist of leviathans in drop pods and rapier spam. Ignore that guy and make a fluffy and awesome looking army. I don't know why people play the Horus Heresy just to be WAAC faggots like in 40k

>>53057196
It's awful because it's supposed to be a legion list, but contains barely any legionairies, but instead has shit (like 100 fucking cultists) that is not fun to fight against.

>>53057239
Oh no someone wants to use their list that represents THEIR part of the Legion, whatever shall we do?

>>53057256
Pie plates.
Dakka.
And effective combats.

>>53057239
I prefer using lots of legionaries but cultists are perfectly fine in a Word Bearers army, it's not like he was using cultists in a fucking world eaters army who would probably kill them before the battle had even started

>>53054241
Beakies look good on bikeys.

>>53057180
looking good anon

>>53057281
Nothing wrong with some cultists in a WB army, but when one brings a fucking primarch I expect the list to at least feel like a legion list, not a wild hodge-podge of cultists, daemons, vehicles and named characters with a token squad of Ashen Circle.

>>53057340
Ok I totally agree, list needs more legionaries

>>53057340
>has options
>takes options
I mean, cultists are fucking boring to play and boring to play against, not to mention being worse daemonettes in every possible way, but what, should you not take options? Should there be no vehicles in a list with a primarch? Should there be an anti-dread aura anywhere a numbered mistake goes? Should there be no gal vorbak in a list where Lorgar goes, despite them being seen as his blessed sons?

>>53057153
Lightning fighter then, since there's only one Storm Eagle in the Meta and a volley of Krakens will at least make it very sad. I mainly wanted something to crack open Spartans.

>>53057239

I'm up against World Eaters and Death Guard for the most part, and AFAIK they're pretty damn good at anti-horde.

>>53057340

Two full squads of Ashen Circle, plus one or two of Gal Vorbak, all deepstriking or being levitated forward by Lorgar. I was imagining it as a Word-Bearers flavoured Primarchs Chosen, but I don't think that allows special units as Troops and I wanted the Cultists because I like the propagandists side of the Word Bearers and they seemed fun. Slightly wish that there was a way to take Ashen Circle as troops besides Layak, but he's a good summoner. I was going to make a Counts-as as head of that chapter that really like the Ashen Circle side, and basically act as evil Grey Knights. Convert horde of cultists, use them to help win the battles while summoning daemons because I like the Nurgle dudes, then REDACTED the place.

Also mental image of enemy preparing to fight a scary but mundane wall of bodies with armoured support, then just as they start thinking they can win, Ashen Circle squads leap in on pillars of flame and the Blessed Sons levitate over the masses, surrounded by a halo of psychic power as Warp rifts open and everything becomes monsters and magic and nothing they were trained for.

>>53057415

That was what I was worrying about, really. Feels a little disorganised. What would you suggest other than "Replace Cultists with Apothecary Tac blobs"?

>>53051957

>1 in 3 get a las pulser

I don't get this at all, honestly. For cheaper you could give the entire unit better guns.

>>53057532
I don't know anon, I like your idea but tactical and support squads are the way to go if you want a more organized looking army

>>53057556
I didn't want more short ranged Adrathic weapons that make the squad even more of a target and likely to be mauled. I can control 36" better with this setup and act as more effective squad killer with anti-TEQ/Vehicle abilities than by chipping my firing down to only twelve shots a turn with the chance to wound myself by accident; the tradeoff of having the ability to cause Instant Death doesn't exactly pay off against a potential 6 Lascannon shots with twelve more Anti-MEQ shots.

All Adrathic can work, but it also effectively reduces the Squads lifespan as they hunt TEQ models closer up and within rapid fire range.

Since people are talking word bearers, a rules question: can a diabolist (who, like john stalvern, is a daemon) join units of normal word bearers? For ages I've been absolutely certain that daemons can't join units of non-daemons and vice versa, but I just checked the rulebook and can't find anything that says this, either under the Daemon or Independent Character special rules. Anyone know where this rule is from, or if it still applies? Feel like I'm taking cr-haos-zy pills here.

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So what are you working on today /hhg/?
Currently assembling my fist squad of breachers ready for when the shields come in the post, haven't done any moddeling for a while so it's fun getting back into the swing of things

>>53054413
A double layer of slightly watered down Mephiston Red; like 6:1 status. Then I gently go over it with Wazdakka Red and then barely drybrush on Wild Rider Red mixed 1:1 with Wazdakka Red.

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>>53057673
I think they can join other Word Bearers units. If your opponent is an asshole, try to apply pic related rule to the unit you want him to go with or make him join some Gal Vorbak if that fails.

>>53057669

All adrathic would give you a consistent 12 Armourbane and instant death AP2 shots, and 18 inches isn't all that bad for keeping some distance. If you aren't going to be close enough to consider charging, you're wasting being on a fast platform anyhow. You know why the Skitarii's Ballistarius sucks? Because it pays to be a fast lascannon platform when being able to reposition 9 inches usually isn't actually relevant for a lascannon platform.

For the gets hot, you basically need to roll snake eyes on a particular shot to actually hurt yourself.

I'm not really a fan of mixing roles frankly, especially if you pay out the ass for it. I run my 6 bikes as two units of three bolt weapon dudes and have them go hunting 3+ saves.

Still, you do you. Just seems weird to me to lurk a speedy gun-and-melee unit in the back field.

>>53057583
Was considering a heavy support squad for a little extra dakka, but a regular one would work too. Plasma, probably, although I would probably give them a Rhino, which somewhat defeats the point of having more Marines. Also just found the Sacrificial Offering RoW, which looks like pretty much what I'm looking for.
Given I'm starting with Calth, I'll probably make some tactical squads anyway just for smaller games, Zone Mortalis and when I don't feel like Cultists.

>>53057784
Oh they won't be back field; they'll be harassing chunkier or high wound units and pumping out las-pulsar shots at any vehicle in the way since they can split fire accordingly. I like using bikes to soften up enemies and play mindgames; the added benefit of them being able to soften units and ALSO deal decent damage in a charge is good too.

>>53057816

Fair enough.

Curious how 8th'll handle las pulsars, a gun that does 1-18 wounds is way too random.

>>53057703
Do breachers have CCW?

>>53057853
To be quite honest with you, I'd like to test out a full Adrathic squad sometime. I have a pair of Pallas with them as well (stolen from the bikes) and they're great at harassing things, but become IMMEDIATE "SHOOT ME" models when they make their presence known.

Time will tell how 8th makes the current Custodes playstyle react.

So once I've swapped out my Cultists for Tactical blobs, is there anything in the Daemon book that would be worth sticking in an allied detatchment rather than trickling in with one Summoning/Sacrifice per turn? I suppose I could take a bunch of Bloodletters or Plaguebearers backed up with Beasts of Nurgle and Heralds for a sturdy front line, but are Greater Daemons worth it at all, or any of the Heavy Support? Seems like if it's not AP3 it isn't worth shit here.

>>53057894
No. Their Boarding shield prevents then from claiming +1A from two weapons anyway. Their CCW is their bolt pistol

>>53057894
Nah, but I thought it would look cool

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>>53054851
Do people here play traitors from Loyalist legions, or do they keep to loyalist from loyalist legions, betrayed loyalists from traitor legions and traitors from traitor legions only?

>>53057673
Daemons IC can't joint a daemon unit dedicated to another god and DPs and GDs can't join units because they're MCs. I think that's the only limitations I can think of.

>>53060461
Only Dark Angels could fit in the category of traitors from loyalist legions

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So what's your army lore look like for 30k? Like what's the story behind your army and detachment?

Feel free to post stuff you've written or made in the past.

>>53059989
The local heretical shitter is partial to daemonette hordes to pull down big scary characters and MCs. You're not wounding without rending, but even a primarch is gonna be hurting after merely ten daemonettes charge them. Plus, you can get ap2 swords for chump change and are easily underestimated until someone learns how good they are. bloodletters are, although killy, weak as piss to bolters and unlikely to kill anything other than marines, and plaguebearers aren't much tougher than marines, so in a 30k environment you're probably better off with more tacticals. I am not familiar with new horrors, but the old ones arent great unless you need to generate ten gorillion warp charges.

The only greater daemons worth investing into is a D-thirster for if you got problems with spartans and anything that lacks instant death to kill it before it swings, or one of tzeentches canaries if you need that WC crack.

>>53060461
my night lords are essentially blackshields who enjoy the horrible rep being part of the eighth gives them, but are a proper no gods no masters bunch, sworn to no side. My most common side-swapping opponents these days are loyalist thousand sons, traitor raven guard and chaos undecided alpharii, as well as the ubiquitous loyal IWs.

>>53060461
Some people do, but in a lot of cases trying to come up with a good justification for it is tricky compared to Loyalist Traitors. Traitor RG, Sallys, or IH are pretty much unheard of, IF are hard to do without being yellow IW, DAngles are a meme, SW had one edgelord wolfpack, and I've personally never seen traitor UM, WS, or BA.

>>53060617
The Genetors I've posted about a couple times, and there was one anon who came up with some helpful fluff for them a while back.

They're the evolution of a Xanatite Explorator fleet, who were out of the Imperium's territory when the Heresy broke out. After the first planet they came to shot at them for being Reductor ships (who were mostly Loyalist) and the second for them being Xanatite (traitors) they decided fuck it and returned to a cushy system they'd found in their trip. Fast warp lane through a couple fiddly sectors, but an easy trip for Mechanicum precision. They set up on a planet with a whole bunch of greenery, started mining the asteroid belts and steadily assimilated the planet, using their already large number of Magos Biologis to turn the local flora and fauna into war machines. The Archmagos in charge, Xander Treides, is largely a massive cogitator bank spread throughout his fleet, and sends out copies of himself in custom bodies to lead expeditions whenever required. If he "dies", he's obviously still fine, but he loses the data that body was carrying, and his mind gets steadily more corrupted by interference and such every time, so he slowly goes a bit mad. Eventually, late into the Scouring, he realises what's happening to him and locks the useful parts of his mind into the ship, losing his memories in the process. He takes over subordinate's minds and uses their memories and perspectives, which has led to strange command strategy as he commands with the biases of anything between a great Archimandrite and a Skitarii Alpha Primus, each taking prominence as required.

>>53060617
THEY ARE THE SPESS MEHREENS

THE EMPRAHS FUREH

THEIR ENEMIES WILL KNOW DEATH AND DEFEAT

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>>53060766
>Traitor RG, Sallys, or IH are pretty much unheard of,
Pic related. IHs went pretty fucking nuts when they lost Ferrus, and in their time of doubt came to question the value of strength. Some abandoned the Imperium that abandoned them, some deemed power worth breaking the law and went for the Keys of Hel. The reason those guys are relatively unknown is because Shadrak Memeduson is one of the few IHs whose name people can recall. Like Jackie Chan for the chinese.
Meanwhile, Salamander Chaplain Xiaphas Jurr's writings as the Prophet of Flame are sooo against the Imperial Truth that the mission logs of the Ebon Drake (WHAT A NAME) are clasified as "seditious materials", and they developed a cult and a new psychic power, both of that after Nikea and by a Chaplain. A literal psyker chaplain, TSs eat your heart out.
And Nukin' Corax banished all the terran dustclads that were brothers to wolves.
Material undeniably exists.
>IF are hard to do without being yellow IW,
IFs have the theme of Crusader Zealots and Void fighters as well. That speaks to me as "pirates and khornates" for their traitor version. You can paint traitors in yellow but with blood-red fists, see who they remind you of. Or black with lots of spikes. Or yellow covered in black thorns. Possibilities are there.
>DAngles are a meme,
Everyone is
>SW had one edgelord wolfpack
SWs are mentioned to need discipline corps. They used to have lots of edgelord pack leaders because they simply had more marines back then.
>and I've personally never seen traitor UM
I've never even seen regular UMs here

>>53061059
His last body, abandoned with the torn memories of the ancient Archmagos, was rendered Damnatio ad Gladium by the last commands of the intact Xander, and led the majority of the fleets Cybernetica and their newer Genetus monstrosities against the Dark Mechanicum in an enraged vengeance crusade for the destroyed knowledge of Mars, finally being killed (some of his fellow Archmagi preferred to say "put down", there was hardly anything separating him from his creatures by the end) storming Cyclotrathe by Knights of House Atrax.

The fleet is still there, dug into a system that would be a fortress by cosmological standards, even before it became a collection of Forge Worlds, gun platforms and energy farms. The Genetors continued their experimentation, slowly developing research paths that were sealed in the Vaults of Moravec for good reason before, combined with some of the Vodian research from their last homeworld, and before too many centuries had passed could be considered the equal of any in the Dark Mechanicum. Strange corrosive bio-weapons, living ships, creatures of the Warp bound screaming to flesh as the Soul Forge did to metal. Occasionally, a rumour would spread of the "Old Mechanicus" beyond the Ghoul Stars, but aside from a few missing ships little was found besides worlds picked clean and poisoned more subtly than the Plaguefather tended to. Inquisitorial attention had been planned, but was dramatically disrupted by the onset of the Thirteenth Black Crusade.

Yey for extremely badly written and slightly improvised lore? My confused jumble of a Word Bearers force idea is a little further up the thread.

>>53060647
Don't particularly need Warp Charge by the thousands, the six in the main detatchment is plenty for Layak to lay down the odd Summoning and keep Lorgar and him happy with Sacrifice and Levitate/Precog dice. Daemonettes it is, then, with some Heralds and maybe some Seekers or a KoS.

>>53061059
>Eventually, late into the Scouring, he realises what's happening to him and locks the useful parts of his mind into the ship, losing his memories in the process.
This part is all yours, and it's the most tragic i cri evrytiem.
It's cool how you combined telepresence with trascendence and ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL. You even effectively killed him off despite all those safety measures.
>Mad Magi get killed....Mad Genetors get put down!
Good job man. I do like it a lot.

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Siege legions best teleporting legions

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>>53060617
The 172nd Millennial of the Emperor's Children, the Tyrian Eagles. A millennial with Mechanicum ties, who's combat doctrines were centered around fast attack, aerial superiority, and mechanized infantry, they were frequently operating at the fringes of Imperial space both as outriders of larger Legion fleets, or as a rapid response force. At the time of the Istvaan betrayal they had been tasked with clearing Eldar from an Imperial world, who had been craftily avoiding the larger Imperial Army for several years. The Tyrian Eagles would refuse to follow their primarch in betrayal of the Imperium, preferring to preserve the Third's legacy as the Imperium's finest, even if it was only in their own minds. They would spend the duration of the Heresy performing harrying attacks on Traitor supply worlds and fleet assets, unfortunately never having the numbers or the raw power to engage their foes in a protracted fight. Led by the pragmatic Lord Commander __________, and a high number of chaplains, the Tyrian Eagles never backed down from the great hurdles set before them.

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>>53061529
Thanks, man. I had a forty min wait for a bus, so I just fucked around writing lore for a while. Xander is technically still alive and functional, but realistically, yeah, he dead. He does help his subordinates to become something more, though, and thanks to his Harbinger trick whenever a fight breaks out and he has a spare minute for one of his many conciousness cycles, that single Vanguard scout squad that ran into some 'Crons is suddenly led by all the power and tactical skill of an Archmagos, even without his memories and personality. Not even in death does duty end.


Also I named the Ghoul Stars at random, but apparently that was pretty much perfect in terms of location and existing lore after a quick google. Ancient threat that expunges records, spreads a strange plague and leaves dead worlds behind, with "Nightmare Engines" murdering planets and Space Marine chapters stationed there and defeated without record. There's even a Hive Fleet Tendril and some Crons for me to skirmish with.

Why does the description for the HH books keep changing on Digital? Yesterday it siad they were going to be obsolete, now it says
>Games set during The Horus Heresy using Forge World's Battles in the Age of Darkness expansion will continue to use the rules set out in the current edition of Warhammer 40,000. Please check our Facebook page for further information

With nothing relevant on that Facebook page. Help

>>53062058
I doubt that FW really knows what they are doing. Probably because they got the 8th ed rulebook way later, and they had no say in its creation.

>>53062104
There is a nonzero chance it is like 7th and they aren't allowed to look until it comes out.

>>53062058
Clearly someone jumped the gun. The new description matches what's previously been said, so I'm inclined to trust it.

>>53062131
From what Shas said, that sounds like the case. Although GW facebook said all of the 40k models would have day one rules for 8th.

Perhaps 30k will stay in 7th, despite what Bligh has stated.

>>53062188
In the long run I think FW will make the switch because it's easier to pull 40k players in if they're familiar with the rules and already have the rulebook. But they can and should take their time. See what 40k players don't like about 8th edition once it's out and make sure 30k addresses those things.

Either way - 7th or 8th - FW needs to tweak the rules to fit its game, imo. If they stick to 7th, please rewrite psychic powers at the very least, maybe monstrous creature and flying monstrous creature rules too. And allow multi-bombing since everyone does anyway.

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>>53062058
It's like they had multiple directives

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>>53060647
>traitor raven guard
For any concrete reason?

I'm not really into Raven's Guard fluff

>>53048307
I'm reading it, I've been busy but I'll read it I promise.

>>53062435
Cool pic, but what do you mean ?

>>53062464
He's trying to justify traitor Raven Guard. Shouldn't be too hard, given how Corax treated some of his marines.

>>53062464
He said the most common side-swapping opponemts these days are loyalist thousand sons (wich fluff is pretty well known) and traitor raven guard

I was asking why traitor raven guard is a common thing from a fluff point of view since I'm not really familiar with them

What rules would the first four legions published (SoH, WE, DG and EC) have if they had been made by GW instead?

>>53062508
Oh ok, didn't knew he was a prick lol

>>53062435
Corax was a shit bag to the Marines that weren't from Deliverance, or thought a Primarch other than him had a good idea.

>>53062508
Agreed.
>>53062516
Perhaps it's the claws. And Nukin' Corax banishing the original XIXth.

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>Alpha Legion using holo-armours to camouflage as or infiltrate other legions

Is this awesome idea canon or just a good thought by the painter?

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>>53062554
I liked that nickname. Have a very shitty paint meme.

>>53062435
Coral treated the Terrans in his legion like garbage. He relegated them to the worst postings. I think it mainly had to do with the Terrans having long fought alongside the Luna Wolves of Horus. That being the case, the Terrans were totally merciless and preferred the pinpoint, direct, aggressive, and overwhelming style of warfare that the Luna Wolves had. Corax viewed Horus and the Luna wolves like They were some kind of predator. Corax wanted to pursue the great crusade as a liberator, like what he had done on deliverance, not a predator like the Luna wolves.

Thus he relegated his Terrans to far flung and thankless war zones. Some eventually became the Charcharadons in 40k if I recall correctly, who use overwhelming shock assaults like the Luna wolves did and speak a very old and formal dialect of high gothic (suggesting they're descended from the Terrans that corax relegated).

>>53063168
Shit that's a cool story, I'm screenshooting you message

Also
>Corax treated the Terrans in his legion like garbage.
>Had to do with the Terrans having long fought alongside the Luna Wolves of Horus
>Terrans were totally merciless

I can pretty easily see some of them turning traitors, yeah

>>53062372
I agree with this. I think switching to the fundamental 8th edition rules will be a good move for FW. With some tweaks I think it will be a better system. I have always preferred the force org style to the battle forged/detachment/decurion/unbound combos in 40k.

>>53063085
>Is this awesome idea canon or just a good thought by the painter?

Well... there is the part in Legion where several legionaries use holo-amulets to move unseen/unnoticed through a crowd of Imperial citizens to ambush a Mechanicum magos who they intend to recruit for their scheme.
Those same amulets would have no trouble not hiding their armored form and only changing the colour of the armour.

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>>53060617
Posted this before but why not:

Custodian Force "Ruptor Ordinum" (The Line Breakers)

A Legio Custode taskforce that heavily utilizes the idea of a battle line destruction through precision attacks; whether this relies on overwhelming force or hit and run attacks is up to the mission at hand and the Shield Captains at hand who act under the Tribune; who leads the primary detachament. A force that relies on diversity and the willingness to be exceedingly mobile or act as walls that would make Dorn blush. Led by Tribune Djet, the force consists of nearly a standard sized Space Marine Battle-Company of one-hundred Custodes, their roles varying from mission to mission, but also includes a personal detachment of nearly a dozen Hetaeron that follow Djet into combat. It carries an unusually high detachment of Dreadnoughts as Djet favors the interred warriors with a sense of pride as they seek glorious vengeance in their continued lives. For the sake of precise battle line cutting and fortress holding it also contains a decently large amount of Sagittarum and Agamatus Jetbikes; a strong ten of each in the force utilized when needed despite their somewhat rare nature within the fraternities. As far as euipment is concerned, Djet uses anything that fits the combat approach required; however it is considered rare for him to field Aquilon pattern Terminator armor.

Despite Djet's tactics being one of surgical nature, he often prefers diplomacy first and will leave combat maneuvers in the hands of his Shield Captains should intensive negotiations break down; the leader of the combat at hand always being one with the best plan or mustered experience. This being said, encounters with these Custodes can be different every single time, Djet joining the field of battle and working alongside the acting Captains despite his superior rank. When he does take command however, the Tribune is ruthless and can almost always be seen in the very thickest of fighting.

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>>53063085
OCTO CAMO FUCK YEAH
Cameleoline exists and it's my headcanon that Alpha Legion armour does MGS4 sounds when it changes colours.
Also, where's the power fist marine from? He looks like a thicc guy. Like Phosphex anon's marine. Have a meme from a past era.

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>>53063168
>Corax wanted to pursue the great crusade as a liberator
>Like what he had done on deliverance
Nuka Corax

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Realized im not giving GW enough of my shekels, so I'm considering starting a HH force. Narrowed down to a few choices:

>Custodes
>SoH
>Blood Angels

Thoughts?

>>53063719
Custodes are cheapest and have the fewest models, but require a understanding and patience to paint gold.

Blood Angels are the second easiest and can use plenty of existing GW product

>>53063719
Don't do custodes, they're kind of dull, most custodes list end up looking pretty similar.

BA really do best with lots of jump units, but those aren't available in plastic so will cost more of your shekels. If you want to kickstart your army with BaC or BoP the SOH may be a better fit.

>>53063759
Luckily I plan to use the black Custodes scheme.

BA also don't have a proper book yet as I understand it.

>>53063719
Do Blood Angels. Cool legion that is severely underplayed.

>>53063833
>>53063803
Are the FW "legion starter kits" worth it in your opinions?

>>53063821
>BA also don't have a proper book yet as I understand it.
It's the next book scheduled for release though.

>>53063872
What's the ETA on that? End of CY17?

>>53063853
Not necessarily, you get more upgrade bits than you might need and your army might not even use that many tactical armored guys. Gotta have a list first, then decide if either of the plastic starter boxes make sense for your army.

>>53063719
Sons of Horus are great, I love the Reaver models. They'll eventually get increasingly chaotic, so decide if that's appealing or not.

Blood Angels with Custodes allies could be good. Custodes by themselves are a little bland and a little OP - there's some saltiness over them right now. That might fade as we figure out counters, which means there's a risk that everyone will be too ready to face them. That's what happens with extreme armies.

Blood Angels got rules in Book 6: Retribution and will get special units (and possibly rules edits) in the next book, which would normally be under a year away but it's impossible to predict.

>>53060617
IW stationned on a world called115, near a FW. The FW ended up siding with Horus when they weren't even aware of the HH, and the Dark Mechanicud cheeky cunts started abducting the planet's population for slavery and other stuff.
The IW commander, mighty displeased at the fact that they were taking people from HIS WORLD, set up defences and starting sheltering people because they wer ehis property, not the Admech, he doesn't like the population per se, but it's his to donas he pleases, not anyone else's.
Being near a FW, the IW were promptly curbstomped and forced to flee with whatever remnants of the population the could muster, hailed as heroes by the mere mortals even though they just wanted to be left alone on their world in the first place.
Consequently, those IW don't get along too well with Mechanicus forces nowadays, and absolutely hate Dark Mechanicus ones.

>>53063168
If we consider Red Tithe (excellent book btw), the ones that became Carcharodons weren't exiled because of potential alliances with Horus, but rather because they were indeed too savage. However, they became extra loyal during their exile, and pious at that, albeit not necessarily to the extent of believing in the Void Father's divinity.

>The Carcharodon Astra are a faithful brotherhood, even by the standards of the Adeptus Astartes. Their creed is an old one, older than the superstitions and misbeliefs of the current Imperial Cult. Theirs is not some blind faith based on hollow praise and lavish donations. Their memories of the Emperor are of a living, breathing titan, and Terra is far more to them than some distant hub of galaxy-spanning bureaucracy. Their connection to it is ancient and primal. It has sustained their loyalty and their determination for ten thousand standard years, amidst the loneliness of the Outer Dark. When they had first been banished, none had expected them to survive, let alone remain united as a Chapter. But survive they had, their disparate heritage bound by their faith in Him on Earth. Nothing could shake that.

Interestingly enough, there's a clause to the Edicts of Exile, one that is considered an impossibility by the most ancients (one might say cynical) members of the Chapter, that the Void Father will come back and allow them into the realms of Men once again when he does so as well.

Traitor RG could be Sable Claws I think. Weren't these made partially from Terran RG as well?

>>53064006
I like it, it seems very IW in nature without resorting to "and then they were bitter autists". You got any Mech players you can righteously shell to bits? Possibly with allied Militia to represent the civilians who came along?

>>53061059

Well, I've just realized that if I ever do any narrative batreps I'll need to work out how to write from the perspective of a man with a personality he can only express in SECOND PERSON, but without another person to talk to per se. How the fuck do I do that?

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>>53064267
I do. I use the Ironfire when fighting Admech, no shame.

>>53064334
I don't think most Mech players would mind, as long as it isn't six billion phosphex quad mortars against a fluffy Myrmidon Cult or something. We can certainly take the hits well enough, walking through fire with Cybernetica or vehicles and absorbing it harmlessly into chaff is some of the best parts of playing Mech to me.

>>53064000
There's barely a 40k scene in my area, much less a HH one. This would probably just be a collection.

>>53064178
>They're too savage
last time I checked you were supposed to kill you enemy without remorse, and shArkhas Fal's Deliverer termies (named like that before Lycaeus was discovered) fucking rocked, and even Horus requested some as part of his entourage.
There are occasions when teleporting into a command bunker and butchering everybody is a good plan, and if the First Among Equals used that plan then I was a solid plan. If Corax couldn't see that, especially when his legion has Rending Mastercrafted Power Talons (each finger is a tiny stolen power scythe), then it's his fucking loss.
They even have Furious Charge, dammit!
Fucking Craven Raven

>>53064392
Then an allied force is even better! Though it's most cost-effective if you get the Burning of Prospero box, and it isn't as generally useful as Betrayal at Calth. BoP's characters are legion-specific, there's no dreadnought, and the marines' weapon options aren't quite as good. Also, Blood Angels probably prefer Mk IV armor (though they would've still had a lot of Mk III until reaching Imperium Secundus since Horus was trying to keep a lot of pre-heresy Mk IV production). Also, if you run lots of assault squads then you don't want the plastics at all.

Tartaros Termies do make sense for Blood Angels, though. Most legions make better use of Cataphractii.

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>>53064334

>>53064178
Not normally a /hhg/ player, but just need to weigh in that Red Tithe is indeed excellent. Also got a decent non-ADB portrayal of Night Lords. Robbie MacNiven has great things ahead of him for this franchise.

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Kind of want to run a single Oblivion Knight Centura in my Custodes army for fun and for the potential help against packers.

Is an MC Paragon Blade and Plasma Pistol a good choice? It seems well rounded and guarantees me a dead marine every turn in combat or shooting. She's like 110 points.

>>53064721
Thanks phone. I meant to say Psykers

Does anyone know/have a picture of Typhon's helmeted head? Looking at it for a possible conversion/kitbash

>>53064747
Man why aren't you googling it?

>>53064785
The last time I tried, I could only get a front shot with no scale of any sort

>>53064721
I love the witch-hating waifus. Even if they love only the Emperor.

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Do you think anyone would have too much of an issue if I converted plasma guns into volkite calivers, assuming I can find a similar nozzle piece for them?

>>53064178
Yeah. That's what I was trying to describe. They were banished not because they may be loyal to Horus, but were too savage and embraced Horus' methods, which certainly weren't Corax's.

>>53061085
This.

I keep game and fluff seperate

>>53065078
>Not investing emotionally in tiny make believe soldier figurines

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>>53060617

I posted some scattered thoughts on mine a few days ago.

What I have so far: a Night Lords chapter greatly loyal to Curze and Sevatar, particularly the former's dedication to justice (or, at least, what they perceive as justice). They, in particular, wish to uphold order where they can, typically through Curze's model of how he ruled Nostramo, with fear being their primary tool.

When Sevatar ordered the Night Lords' fleets to scatter, they obeyed, choosing to back away from their alliance with Horus, and instead becoming semi-neutral, opposing the Imperium for never really accepting their legion, and opposing the Warmaster's forces for submitting to erratic and profane powers.

That's all I've really got at the moment.

>>53065467
But Sevatar is loyalist, why would they fight the imperium?

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>>53060617

They're the Iron Warriorest Iron Warriors. Fodder forged and folded in war a hundred times over as they are hurled at fortresses with the task "bring it down" and fished from the rubble to be sewed and built to be thrown at another.

They are led by an ancient Terran veteran known as the Untouchable who has watched from the beginning his Legion (and Grand Company's) decline from noble Astartes to cannon fodder.

The company also has an extensive Apothecarion unit who work toe-in-toe with their techmarines in order to keep up with the large amount of augmetics that need to be installed in the legionnaires.

Any speculation on how 8th primarchs will be statted?

All of them will have 2+ melee so I fear for those beatstick ones like angron

>>53065573
Probably get rerolls.

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>>53065573
>Angron will still wear mere power armour
:^)

>>53049341
Sell me your black books for cheap if you don't want them then.

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>>53065511
>The Iron Warriorest Iron Warriors. Fodder forged and folded in war a hundred times over
Kek. Non-complaijin surrender.
I like your minis, here's hoping you get many (You)s. Tell me about this Untouchable terran. What kind of iron he wields?

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>>53065796

Oh hey it's my guys! I'll need to take more pics of my newer dudes to show you lot haha

The Untouchable is a lifer. Born in the Merican continent of Terra and conscripted at fourteen, he marched amongst the earliest of the 4th Legion's expedition fleets.

He was the driving force behind the increased augmetics in his company. When they reuinted with their Primarch, the company had a different leader who initially dismissed the idea of heavy augmetics on the grunts as a waste of resources (there were always more bodies). Then the decimation happened, and the former captain drew the short straw. The Untouchable was in charge now, and immediately put his idea into action. Their successes quickly began to increase, their sieges ending quicker, as the grunts who had simply been left to die became increasingly more efficient at razing enemy fortifications.

While the Untouchable advocates the use of augmetics, he has a subconscious disgust of them, believing them to be inferior to the gene perfection of Astartes flesh. And so dons himself in the mightest armour available to him and takes great but hidden pride in his body being whole.

>>53049341
Only the last two black books still have active rules. Everything in book 5 and earlier is now in a red book, often with changes.

Rate babies first HH list? Moving over from 40k and working with the models I have.

Dangles Ironwing

HQ
Delegatus
>melta bombs, combat shield, artificer armor

Elites
Veteran Squad
>rhino
Dreadnought Talon
2 Dreadnoughts
>plasma cannon, hunter-killer missile

Troops
2 Tactical Squads
>sergeant, melta bombs
>rhino

Heavy Support
2 Predator Squadrons
>lascannon, heavy bolter

1250 points
Seeing what I can do before book 8 drops, can't wait that long to start.

Reading that new Inquisition / Custodes novel set on Terra, only things of minor interest for us, but one of them is that Jaghatai Khan is gonna fight daemon-Mortarion at Lion's Gate.

Re-re-reeeeematch.

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>>53066076
>Takes great but hidden pride in his body being whole.
I'd totally agree with him. He's even flexing.
Vat-grown limbs are good to make you whole again, but the fact is that prosthetics are simply easier to repair and can bring you back to front line functionality faster, and perhaps the average IW legionnary doesn't live long enough to warrant biorepair.
I like how that gorget can be seen as the teeth part of an iron skull.

>>53066155
Jagathai returned?
>Googling what the Lion's Gate is

>>53065615
>power armor

He's not wearing power armor anon ;^)
Why else couldn't he get in a Caestus?

>>53066255
>not knowing about the battle of Lion's Gate Starport
m8 i envy you, you have so much cool shit to learn.
Anyway, in the old fluff the Khan and the WS sallied out to retake Lion's Gate and held it against allcomers, halving the chaos reinforcements.
In the new book it turns out that the actual doors of the Gate haven't been opened since they were closed against the traitors 10K years ago, but they have been embossed all over with scenes from the battle.
The one in the centre shows the Holy Primarch Khan fighting a daemonic monster armed with a scythe that's clearly meant to be Mortarion.

>>53066076
Are they rebels or loyalist pigdogs?

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>>53066237

Holy shit, if I'd realized the gorget thing I think I'd have done the model completely different haha that's wicked.

>Vatgrown limbs
>Prosthetics are easier to repair

You just ripped a whole in my fluff then made it even better. I completely forgot about vatgrown limbs, I'm going to incorporate that in because it's brilliant. A nice little bit that adds depth to his character, any time he loses anything he gets a vat grown one over an augmetic.

>>53066155
>Jaghatai Khan is gonna fight daemon-Mortarion at Lion's Gate
Nice, but did anyone doubt it? Everybody is going to get a grudgematch on Terra. What book btw?

>>53066116
Green Dark Angels don't exist yet, let alone Mk VII armor...

More relevantly, 1250 points is small in HH, usually only seen in Zone Mortalis games or, increasingly, in the Centurion games that the Aussie scene is pushing. (They have a tank-heavy meta, in part because GW plastics are so expensive than BaC/BoP isn't cheaper than FW tanks.) It's hard to judge a list under 2000 points.

Split the Dreadnoughts up if the Ironwing restrictions allow it. Are you running one Predator with lascannon sponsons and the other with HB sponsons? It isn't clear. Dark Angels are one of two legions that can make good use of Heavy Bolters (with the molecular acid upgrade) so be sure to take advantage. And give your Delegatus some kind of weapon. Take all the upgrades you need until hitting 1500 points because that's a somewhat more likely number than 1250.

>>53066321
yoy sound like a complete nob... and even more so for taking about old fluff that isn't even fleshed out and has at best a few throw away lines from the late 80s

>>53066076
I'm sorry, but how does he see stuff in front of him?

>>53066402
The Carrion Throne, by Wraight. it's not half bad.
>>53066508
Sure thing dude, much love to you too.

>>53066535

He doesn't. He has men to do that for him.

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>>53066508

>>53066255
The White Scars' novel arc is one of the best ones. Highly recommended.

>Brotherhood of the Storm (novella)
>Scars (novel)
>Allegiance (short story)
>Brotherhood of the Moon (short story)
>The Path of Heaven (novel)

There are a couple of short stories about a Thousand Son who's also involved, Rebirth (set before Scars) and The Last Son of Prospero (set after The Path of Heaven). And of course you'd benefit from having read A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns. But never mind.

As >>53066321 said, it's a reference to old fluff. During the Siege of Terra, the White Scars started by doing what they do best, harrassing the Traitors in hit-and-run attacks beyond the walls. When the Emperor's Children left the siege to go have fun with Terran civilians, the Scars gave chase. But when things got worse, the Scars and the Terran 1st Tank Battalion took back and held one of the two nearby spaceports (Lion's Gate) and cut the Traitor reinforcement rate.

The novels above play up the growing rivalry between the Khan and Mortarion.

>>53066603
>Mortarion
>Khan

Makes no sense. Morty's rival and hated enemy is none other than Roberto. Morty is currently besieging Ultramar and vows that he won't rest until his brothers domain is nothing but a decayed ruin.

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>>53066321
Ah the starport he defended was named the Lion's Gate, gotcha.
Since you mentioned the Inquisition, I thought it meant Jagatai had returned and was going to face Daemortarion. But if Khan fought Mortarion in a closed space and he didn't fall despite suffering a lot of blows, forcing Jagatai to retreat, then how would the battle for the Spaceport go?
>>53066384
Your welcome. Been helping anons with fluff recently, maybe I should think of at least one character besides that IW MoS betrayed by a DG Siegebreaker I thought of long ago.

>>53066685

Get'em fleshed out. You have a good grasp of the setting, might as well do some writefaggotry. Doing a bit myself now that I've got the juices flowing.

Out of fresh pictures tho

>>53066672
It's weird how GW seems to be hyping up some sort of rivalry between Mortarion and Bob when they never interacted during the Heresy. It feels hamfisted.

>>53066685
Oh, no, Jaghatai has returned to Terra in M31. Nothing to do with M41.

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>>53066672
Heh, you're right. Lots of people seem to hate Robert, it seems. They simply didn't cross paths that one time.
>>53066766
Read more, then.
>>53066781
Gotcha. Will read the list of novels posted. I hope they're in the mega. Thanks.

>>53065495
If that ever becomes more firmly Canon, I may change their stance. As it stands now, I just have them being independent/borderline Blackshields partly because it jives with the Night Lords' modus operandi, and it allows me to narratively play either the "Traitor" or "Loyalist" side whenever.

>>53066545
Is there a Epub of the Carrion Throne around out there?

Only the audio version.

>>53066766
>Morty never had a rival during the heresy so now he sees his chance at getting a rival "buddy" with Guilliman coming back

-It is I, your greatest rival!
-Lorgar?
-N-no, your rival that shall caused you great pain.
-Fulgrim?
-... I hate you Guilliman.

>>53066766
Morty's only rival was the Khan, thanks to Second Prospero and Dark Glass. Of course Khan would be the last Primarch to return, if he returns at all. GW aren't going to have a filthy asian in their game.

>>53066989
He should've been the first to return, or maybe Russ - one of the primarchs who's more of a pure fighter and isn't interested in leading an empire the way Guilliman is. A reluctant leader would've been a lot more interesting.

>>53066321
>the actual doors of the Gate haven't been opened since they were closed against the traitors 10K years ago, but they have been embossed all over with scenes from the battle.
>The one in the centre shows the Holy Primarch Khan fighting a daemonic monster armed with a scythe that's clearly meant to be Mortarion.
That's pretty rad

Is there any MEGA for audiobooks?

>>53067070
>or maybe Russ

Oh god no, we would've gotten a redo of Russ visiting Terra during the Heresy!

>Lord Russ! Have you come to lead us in these dark times? Praise the Emperor!
>Lead? No such thing bub, I hunt!

And then he goes back into the biggest fist-fight he can find and gets his ass kicked, classic Russ!.

Besides Guilliman is already a reluctant leader, he hates the Imperium and he's a guy that knows his place isnt leading it but he doesnt have a choice when the whole thing has gone to shit.

Is it ever explained why Dorn and Pert have such a hate-on for each other? Was it just Perturabo's resentment that Dorn got all the cool jobs and was declared Praetorian?

>>53067182
They are the most similar Primarchs with the only difference being one is an idealist and the other a total pragmatic. They hate each other because they cant tell lies, they're both stupidly stubborn and they think the other is doing their job wrong.

>>53067070
While Khan would be welcome and the model awesome, I don't think it will be terribly interesting. Having two of the most level headed primarchs return seems kinda redundant. If instead of Gulliman, khan came back, had to play politics despite really hating it for the greater good it would be interesting.

Much as I hate Russ. We need him. So he can be the impulsive one opposing gulliman while fighting Magnus.

>>53067301
That's what I meant, the Khan or Russ (or Corax) instead of Guilliman, who's simply too effective an administrator to keep the "Imperium is dumb and doomed" vibe going.

>>53067313
Yeah, I like Guilliman but I think he was the most boring choice for a returning Primarch. In 40k he's basically just a mini-Emperor but less autistic and powerful.

>>53066799
Can Guilliman fuck off? What a little tattling bitch. No wonder nobody liked him.

>>53067313
>>53067359
I would've voted for the Lion.

I think the DA are traitors rumour bit actually adds more to the narrative of uncertain futures for 40k. Lion is mysterious, the future is unknown and I think it would've been a nice way to alter the grimdark.

The future is decay -> future is uncertain but outlook is poor compared to nobledark that's now under rob

>>53066473
Thanks m8. I put a lascannon and heavy bolter predator in both squads. I don't think they can take the acid shells though, I'll double check.

are battle control servitors on a primaris with kraken penetrator missiles overkill?

I haven't finished Carrion Throne, there's hardly anything in it related to the HH, but it does describe bits of the Palace mentioned in those books and how there's the odd bit of battle damage that hasn't been fixed.
The original landing platforms of the Lion's Gate spaceport have been preserved under roofs as sacred ground, the shell craters and the like left as they were.

The huge dome that has it's own weather system still stands, the tower where the Bell of Lost Souls is is built on top of it now. I don't recall if that was a different tower in the HH books? Maybe the one the Emperor stood on a lot? Just guessing.
Nine gateways lead into the dome, each one is a massive portal with one of the Primarchs carved into it, like those statues from Lord of the Rings. Only Vulkan (holding his lintel up) and Corax (standing watchful over the gateway) have been described. They're called Titanoliths.

The Eternity Gate gets described, nothing really new other than it has 'guards invisible' which make people feel fear; only those who are truly devout are not completely unmanned by it.

In possibly triggering news to some, Laurie Goulding gets immortalised in the name of the Lecititio Gouldinato-something or other, a holy text.

There might be few more tidbits later, the plot is that an Inquisitor and a Custode are trying to stop a bad guy plot that apparently threatens the Eternity Gate during the Feast of Sanguinius.

The Custodes seen so far are just like the 30K versions.

>>53067514
and ground tracking auguries

>>53060617
59th Company of the Sons of Horus, set off into the Halo Stars in the North Eastern Fringe to kill FUKKIN XENOS, brought some fuck huge weapon/ammo barges with them. Fast forward 5 years and they start getting Astropathic distress calls that are from the very start of the civil war; they cannot tell what the fuck is going on. Queue hightailing it back into Imperium space where they start getting shot at by Space Wolves and Imperial Fists. Fleet beats off these attacks and figures, "Holy shit, rogue astartes, lets go back to a muster-point and figure out whats going on". En route they fly through territory that has been classified as a 'no fly zone'. Get distress calls from EVERY planet in a solar system they are passing and go to quickly check it out. Daemonic trap invasion with Astartes of unknown providence mixed in...and thats where the 59th resides currently. Trying to save DAoT survivors from cult and warp fuckery ala an army of DOOM marines

>>53067490
That's a good point. It'd force GW to finally come clean on the Fallen though, and as we saw, they're not willing to do that. But yeah, someone could spread a heretical rumor that the guy now in charge of the Imperium might actually be Luther and the Inquisition would suddenly have an interesting time ahead of it.

>>53067492
Oh there are two in each squad? Squads are generally bad ideas until you run out of heavy support slots, but if you do have squadrons then they should be focused on specific roles, not mixed.

>Khan comes back
>he is a Ynnari character because the Harlequins cut a deal with him which would let him bike across the Webway forever
>White Scars defect to Ynnari because that sounds fun

Noooooooooo.

>>53066766

I suspect it has more to do with Morty's boys being constantly obstructed by the successor chapters and astartes of a legion who he thought was completely inferior to his own for millenia.

>>53067630
Nah, if geedubs is smart they'll show him trapped by Vect to be used as his last weapon, like Doomguy the Eldar couldnt stop his rampage so they buried him and kept him trapped in stasis to be used as a last resort. Vect acquired him when he rose to power and now he may forced to release the Eldar-slayer! He just opens the casket in the general direction of his enemies and after that he reunites with his legion.

It was mentioned in an episode of The Eye of Horus podcast that Perturabo recruited the iconoclasts and pariahs of the mechanicum who swore fealty to the IVth and wore blue robes. Were they bullshitting or am I just blind? I can't find any info about this.

>>53067612
I need half my army to be tank units, i'll switch them around to be equipped the same but I need two squads.

>>53067766

I always liked the idea that the Khan is just kept in Commoragh as like, the ultimate pit fighter. Could give some cool flavour to a WS v WE campaign which would be a nice surprise in terms of matchups.

Last tangentially HH pertinent stuff from Carrion Throne:
The foundation of the Eternity Gate is an enormous block of granite with images of 20 great heroes carved into it. The person that sees it is confused, for nine of them look like the Holy Primarchs and they have no idea who the other 11 are.
On the Feast of Sanguinius, at the time of day the primarch told the powers of Chaos that none shall pass, a Tupac-like hologram of him is displayed in front of the gate and beamed into the sky above.
Custodes have black cloaks. General palace armed forces wear gold and white. If that helps any of the custard players who are looking for accents for their golden boys.

>>53068140
>khan gets angron-tier mad whenever he's taken out of stasis and used as some kind of freak executioner for those who displease vect
>escapes, reunites with his sons and WS become as cranky as they are fast
I can dig it, cranky asian motorcycle gangs makes me want a bike praetor named Tetsuo

>>53068142
>BL is keeping Sanguinius holding the gate

Good, I was worried about that.

>>53066799
>Pert actively shunned Morty
Very interesting, can't really figure out why that'd be, but it's a neat twist. Maybe he hated the poison-huffers since they could shrug off lovely phosphex easier than most?

Really though, I'm fascinated by the idea they didn't get along, same thing with Lion. The three seem like the most "who cares about warcrime" of all the Primarchs, I figured they'd have gotten along well

>>53068273
Not even BL would change so iconic a moment.

>>53067490
The bigger problem with Lion is that his return has caveats. First, like Russ, he's not coming back until the final countdown.

But more importantly, he's going to forgive and absolve Luther upon his return which changes the entire dynamic regarding the Fallen.

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>>53060617

Muh Chapter:

https://pastebin.com/JFushKp7

A story I wrote for muh Chapter:

https://pastebin.com/tVJ83fW5

>>53068371
Peturabo was a paranoiac, and Mortarion's legion was good at a lot of the same things his legion was - maybe it's another case of speciality-based mistrust?

Obviously Mortarion's no Dorn when it comes to being praised by Big E, but there's comparisons made between these two grindy-est legions.

Not sure why else, maybe Mort's suspicions of the other Primarchs thinking him a peasant is actually right in Pert's case. And Pert was "loyal" to the bitter end, where Mortarion killed his foster-father, so that's an area they might disagree on.


The Lion is a bit harder to place.


I'm a little surprised that Curze got on with him and didn't freak out - Curze, it's said a few times, when he meets someone he sees their future selves - in Mort's case that's pretty horrifying

>>53068385
But that's good though. Tension and change. Uncertain, spooky, dubious future

>>53068586
It would also eliminate an underpinning of an entire army, like DE not needing to kidnap people to torture to stave off Slaneesh.

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>>53068371
>Very interesting, can't really figure out why that'd be

>Pert's face when Mortarion arrives
>Smells like fermented farts
>Thinks the epitome of sieges is walking across the fields en mass
>"ramming my battle barge through a city was quite astute!" Says the uncultured swine
>You will never be sure if Morty's trenches are filled with shit or its just the poison

>>53068649
Not really. Having people get pardoned doesn't prevent them from wearing robes or ride bikes or have beige terminators.

>>53067515
Is the book good?

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>>53068720
Sure, why not. Dark Wolves have no mention of when they went traitor so maybe there's a precedent for a heresy era traitor wolves, their scheme even looks like it could've been the colors of a Destroyer company.

>>53068548
Maybe Pert's because old lord made him SPAEC DaVinci, and he couldn't stand for the mindless shock-assault Morty favored over the "to intelligent" tactic of killing ur own dudes?

Lion could've just seen him as a shitty version of the knight-paladin thing he went for, abandoning all the honor and virtue of war in favor of stupid gas shit?

Just like how gilly hates alpha for taking the glory out of the Imperium through assassinations

>>53068720
Yes. Skyrar's Dark Wolves became a thing, after all.
>>53068747
It's not shit, let's put it that way. I enjoyed it. But it's an action movie of a book. Do not expect anything else.

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>>53067514
>>53067553
If your enemy deserves it then he deserves it.

>>53060617

Just starting to put it together:

IF 66th Company. That's where I am at so far.

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>>53068237
>bike praetor named Tetsuo
Beautiful motherfucker you

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>>53068142
>Tupac-like hologram of him is displayed in front of the gate and beamed into the sky above.
NONE SHALL PASS.

>>53068548
>The Lion is a bit harder to place.
Lion is the opposite of what Morty's peasant suspicions. Lion thinks of him as a Barbaran noble and it activates his purge circuits.

Has there only been one Age of Darkness Theme army so far?

>>53069251
Never mind. I didn't realize Shattered Legions was one also.

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>>53068548
>>53068715
>>53068850
>>53068371
Perty considers him an uncultured peasant, his disdain of mechanized elements almost retrograde, his tactics of infantry assaults almost meaningless and all of that punctuated by his almost supersticious refusal of establishing a logistics train that includes any other planet besides Barbarus makes him have a bad opinion about him. Now Mortarion is no fool. Of all the Primarchs he's perhaps the fourth or fifth most cultured of the bunch, he's both a peerless commander and competent operative and has reasons for all of this...but the asocial fuck won't tell and embittered Perturabo won't listen, so go figure.
If anything, Perturabo probably thinks he could Death Guard better than Mortarion if he had access to that kind of geneseed, and he's probably right but that legion isn't his so deal with it.
>>53069192
What? False, it can't be. Even Morty thinks of himself as a Barbaran peasant

>time to read scanon's autisturabo book
>first pages he's already being a massive autist while the narrator sucks his cock

this book's gonna be perfect I can tell already

>>53069408
When you grow up in the jungle you get very good at smelling three things: Witches, Chaos Taint, and Charlie.

Morty dings two of those things, which makes him twice as bad as Khan.

>>53069880
Back when they were both loyalists. And Morty banned wizardry back then.

>>53068385
>he's going to forgive and absolve Luther upon his return which changes the entire dynamic regarding the Fallen.
Didn't Guilliman already forgive the Fallen? Wasn't he working with Cypher?

>>53070136
Bobert backstabbed Cypher and had him imprisoned.

>>53065495

I think Sevatar, even if he turns loyalist, turns against his legion by himself. I wonder if he'll even rejoin them if he ever gets away from the Dangles.

>>53070011
You can't hide your true stink Morty, not even under all that poison and phosphex!

>>53070165
>Imprisoning Cypher
>Because that always works out so well
I can't wait for Cypher to be defeated by the Ultramarine's prison techniques, proving again the supreme wisdom of the Codex Astartes and the primacy of the Spiritual Liege that penned it.

>>53070247
>Ultramarine's prison techniques
I think it's actually the cuckstodes who apprehended him.

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>"Hey anon! Up for a quick ZM game? Any army in particular you'd like to play against?"
>which one do you choose and why

Adeptus Custodes Sentinel Boarding Action
>Shield Captain: Paragon Spear, Praesidium Shield, Digital Lasers
>Aquilon Terminators: Adrathic Destructors
>Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought: Achillus Dreadspear
>Sentinel Guard Squad: 4 Custodes
>Sentinel Guard Squad: 4 Custodes

Reductor Fleet Extermination Protocols
>Archmagos Reductor: Cyber-Familiar, Paragon Blade, Graviton Imploder
>Thallax Cohort: 4 Thallax, Ferrox Augments, Heavy Chainblades
>Thallax Cohort: 4 Thallax, Ferrox Augments, Heavy Chainblades
>Secutarii Peltasts
>Secutarii Peltasts
>Secutarii Hoplites
>Myrmidon Destructors: Graviton Imploders

Iron Hands Talos Assault Force: HotG RoW
>Praetor: Iron Halo, Cyber-Familiar, Paragon Blade
>Contemptor Dreadnought: Kheres Assault Cannon, Chainfist, Meltagun
>Gorgon Terminators: 3 Power Fists, 2 Chainfists, Reaper Autocannon
>Medusan Immortals: 2 Meltaguns, 8 Volkite Chargers, Cyber-Familiar, Power Fist
>Leviathan Dreadnought: Storm Cannon

Imperial Fists Spearhead Crusaders: PotL RoW
>Praetor: Terminator Armor, Storm Shield, Paragon Blade, Digital Weapons
>Contemptor Dreadnought: Volkite Culverin, Chainfist
>Templar Brethren: 8 Templars, Solarite Power Gauntlet
>Terminator Squad: 3 Power Fists, 2 Chainfists, Iliastus Assault Cannon
>Terminator Squad: 3 Power Fists, 2 Chainfists, Iliastus Assault Cannon

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>>53070247
I thought so as well, but I did research and the Custodes aprehended him when they arrived on Terra, while Guilliman turned around and began to whistle loudly.
People have already escaped the Imperial Prision, but maybe that's not canon anymore :^)
>You can't hide your true stink Morty, not even under all that poison and phosphex!
True, but that's neither corruption nor witchery. Barbarus' smells are simplu clingy that way
>The Primarch still bore the stench of Barbarus on his armour
It's not just a meme.

>>53070503
That's a lot of money :^)
>Bringing a D-chance weapon to a ZM game

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>>53070574
>lotta money
Yeah....
yeah.

Ok /HHG/ what do you think of this? Sort of looking for something fun to play, and hopefully my opponant won't bitch too much.

Shield Captain
-Archeaotech Pistol
-Cyber Familiar
-Digital Lasers
-Iron Halo
-Solerite Power Gauntlet
-Tribune

Aquilon Terminators
-5 Custodes
-2 Firepikes
-5 Power Gauntlets

Achillus Dread
-Dreadspear

Custodians
-5 Custodes
-1 Pyrithite Spear
-Arae Shrikes
-Coronus
-Meltabombs

Sentinel Guard
-5 Sentinels
-Meltabombs
-Arae-Shrikes
-1x Solerite
-Teleport Transponders

Agamatus Squad
-3x Bikes
-3x Las-Pulsers

Caladius
-Armoured Ceramite

Caladius
-Armoured Ceramite
-Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon

Should come out to 2.5k
I shied away from some of the more OP units like taking 12 jetbikes or Super-Tribute, and it has a reasonable amount of infantry I like to think

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Are flakk missiles the only way to get anti-air in an all-infantry list?

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>>53066535
>>53066564
Funny you say that, because Iron Warrior Warsmiths can be given Cortex Controllers, an artifact that "allows the wielder to witness the battlefield through the automata's own senses" and properly trained wielders can "interpret the storm of data streaming from their un-living minions".
So, technically yes, his guys do see the stuff in from of him on his stead. Perturabo's Bombardment can draw line of sight from both normal nuncio voxes and cortex controllers. His armour Logos has both systems installed, so he could easily traverse the battlefield with his eyes closed, if he wishes to.
Which is why he's immune to Blind and Concussion :)

>>53071629
Well, if you're not using either of the three kinds of AA dreadnoughts, AA Whirlwinds, AA emplacements from fortifications, AA Tarantula turrets or AA Thallaxi brought in by the inclusion or a Cortex Controller in the army (don't use these, they're a shit), then yeah, they're your only option.

>you mon-keigh need to kill the Emperor and destroy the Imperium to save the galaxy
>the fact that humanity is our enemy and greatest competitor has nothing to do with it
>just take our shadowy alien cabal at face value
>here are some psychic visions of the future which are TOTALLY 100% impossible to fake believe us
Were Alpharius and Omegon literally the most retarded Primarchs?

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>>53072444
When has talking to associating with anyone that can 'see the future' ended well, or psychic anything for that matter?

If you consort with warp anything, you're going to have a bad time.

>>53072444
Anon please, they can only think in 4D Chess paradoxes! Everything they do must have at least 4 layers of misinformation and back-up plans! What you see now is just the first part of a 10,000+ year puzzle.

It will all make sense in a bit.

Maybe.

>>53071629
what legion do you use

The Perturabo novella provided by scanon is epic.

I won't spoil the ending but damn everyone needs to read it. Haley nailed it.

>>53072444
Don't forget:
>Alpharius yelling "This is not a fight you can win YOUR way!" just before Dorn chestfucked him with his own spear.

>>53073012
I just re-read that book

>Dorn out-keikakuing Alpharius
>Dorn fucking shit up.
>Imperial Fists being Imperial Fists

I know some people didn't like it, but I really enjoyed that book even on the second go around.

>>53073005
Gibs spoilers pls, spoilered. Also your thoughts as to why it's good.

>>53073091
I need a bit more time to detail the whys. And I'm typing this before heading off for the night, so not enough time to detail the plot.

If another anon wishes to spoil stuff and talk about it by all means.

But a few thoughts: To me, it perfectly captures all of the contradictory interpretations of the Iron Warriors and gives them reasons for it to be so. It gives a great look at a primarch before meeting the Emperor. And I think it absolutely NAILS the characterization of Perturabo, you totally get why he does the shit he does.

>>53072444
Originally it appeared so, but then the Alpha Legion turned out to be using the Cabal for their own benefit.

>Yeah, sure, death to the emperor
>We're gonna kill humans
>By the way, we'll be needing all of this everything you have

>>53073005
>>53073162
As a Pertfag this pleases me, though I'll wait until the audiobook comes out so I can listen while I paint.

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My Oblivion Knight-Centura is almost done. I'm really happy with how her bronze came out.

Why are every BL authors suck Pert's cock so passionately again?

>>53073688
Autists look out for fellow autists.
Why do you think 4chan, and /pol/, exist?

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>>53073528

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>>53049135
>Short haired Corax
>Dark haired Russ

>>53073688
Because, spoogemouth, you fuck cows in retrospect.

>>53049135
>>Still need to know what each primarch would look for in a waifu.
>Lion
>Not a tree

>>53073720
But nobody on this site likes or cares about each other.

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If you ever wanted a size comparison between SoS versus Agamatus Jetbikes, here you go.

>>53067997
i wouldn't listen to half the shit that comes out of their mouth, their understanding of the fluff is only worse than their understanding of the rules

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2nd IH Vet squad built up, this ones for burninating.

>>53074497
The idea of Iron Hands with flamers is pretty fucking sexual and I love it.

"Purge the weakness until none remains"

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>>53074497
and the sergeant, who is one of my new favourite models
>>53074510
i'm glad you like em anon

>>53074527
I love how much character each one of them has. You've done great work building them alone.

>>53062435
>>53062508
>>53062541
>>53062554
>>53063168
>>53063228

In Corax's defense, Horus treated the XIX like shit as well and (being one of the last primarchs found) it's tough to overwrite 200 years of being Horus's bitch boys in the short amount of time Corax had with his legion. Also: Purging (most of) the terrans also effectively purged the RG of the warrior lodges which is a big reason why the RG never joined the traitors. Also: FW needed reasons for the RG to be a small legion.

Corax is canonically the only primarch who wasn't surprised that Horus turned traitor and IMO deserves more credit for that than he's getting.

would it be wrong to paint up a Loyalist World Eater force as proto-Charcharadons.

>>53074816
Yes, you can paint them gray if you wanted since all legions started like that but space shark colors are exclusively pre-corax XIXth legion colors.

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>>53073957

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Rejoice! Thousand Son players will now actually have models for their sekhmets!

Also the blade cabal, I guess.

> Angel Exterminatus
> Perturabo: Hammer of Olympia
> And fucking Magnus the Red: Master of Prospero which is OTHER Primarch's book obviously.

How BL licking this guy's butthole is disgusting. "Character depth" my ass.

I rather much prefer this guy portrayed in FW Red book to be honest. It portrayed Pert's characteristic nicely while not being too objective.

cybernetica have no scoring troops? they HAVE to take thralls, thallax or secutarii?

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I'm actually kind of impressed how lazy this kit is.
>head, torso, and crest are locked-in, you can't interchange them, or change where the head is looking
>literally the only other part is the left arm
>and the arm itself doesn't have any TS decoration, it's just a cataphractii arm
>nothing for right arm
>nothing for legs
>not even any special pauldrons

>>53060617
I have Thousand Sons douchebags.
You know that other legions dont really like TS? Well this company is not really liked by TS themselves. Why? Cuz they are assholes. So they get the shit mopping tasks in galaxy, compliments from their primarch.
So when Prospero shit got real, they run away from conflict. Now they are not loyal nor traitor, but somewhere in between. Rag tag band of misfits that should not exist in the first place.

>>53075035
Those helmets look like traaaaaaaaaaaash.

>>53075082
>t. Dorn

>Angel Exterminatus
I don't really see how this kisses his ass.

>Perturabo: Hammer of Olympia
The book is named after him and from his point of view. Of course it's going to make him sympathetic.

>Magnus the Red: Master of Prospero
Now that was pretty unforgivable. The Iron Warriors cocksucking at the expense of the Thousand Sons in that book was outrageous.

>>53075096
If they made some specific loincloth to replace default plastic one, I would be amazed.
Lack of shoulderpads sucks, but FW will probably release it separatly, like they did with other legions.

>>53075142
It feels like that BL Pert and FW Pert are two different people. They just don't overlap that greatly, in terms of personality and/or nature.

>>53075160
>pertuarbomegon and pertualpharius

"I'm just a shy guy who just don't have courage to say hi to my brothers. I made these awesome gifts for all but couldn't give them out. Oh, I love and care for culture and technology so much."

"What is it, a waterdrop falling from the sky? Wait, now I understand cycle of nature completely in just one second."

vs.

"Kill 1/10 of my sons because they're mediocre to me. Disregard others who think they're awesome."

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>>53075100
What kind of magical assholes are they? I need to know
>>53075035
Kek wtf

>>53075096
This, they could have at the very fucking least included shoulders

Id rather just use the plastic scarab occults

>Horus! You're looking good following the incident on Davin!
>Well met, Lorgar. It is good to know you will be on my side in the upcoming endeavour.
>Indeed. Let me run you through some of the preparations that have been made so far. My chaplains have infiltrated many of the legions, and laid the seeds for their loyalty to you. Numerous worlds which could be strategically important to the throne were burned under the claim of "witchcraft" rather than bringing them to peaceful compliance. My word bearers stand stronger than ever, with as many legionaries as Guilliman's fops, and we have expanded the fleet including three gigantic capital ships. And the warp itself is already acting to isolate those who would oppose you.
>This is fantastic planning, I am hugely impressed. Tell me Lorgar, which strategic genius came up with all this?
>I did, brother.
>HA HA HA. No, but seriously, who was it Lorgar? I want to meet them.
>[pouts in colchisian]

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>Magnus finally gets rules
>Theyre invalidated before his model even comes out

>>53069425
was this posted last thread?

>>53075035
>>53075096
Whats with the Rhino beetle helmet thing? Yet another scarab reference?