Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>>53042486
FIRST FOR DA FASTEST BOYZ GROTS

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nth for running people over with leman russes

>>53042509
>Calling first for gretchin.
>That punctuation.

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Fourth for the true gods of the universe

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I AM FORTIFYING THIS THREAD!

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>>53042538
THE BROTHERS OF THE BLOOD WILL HELP

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>>53042486
so how badly will the tyranids get fucked in the new 8th ed lore? i have a feeling they will be reduced to NPC status or merged with orcs.

RIP nids, 1989-2017, i loved you and your gribbly ways

>>53042518
>10 wounds required and still 3" movement
>No Immobilization
>No lost treads
>Steam powered
>Pressurised boilers
>Taking damage
>Slow Leak
>No catastrophic explosion

This is a piece of shit wargame who designed this crap.

Nth for nids getting buttfucked again in 8th

>>53042548
>reduced to NPC status
>implying they've not been NPC status at some point

>>53042554
People stopped sperging out about vehicles not exploding a few threads ago.

So I just read helreach and I cant help but to wonder why that isn't a prime world for a moderately sized exterminatus. Shouldn't the billions of orks slaughtered there give rise to a new WHAAAAAG! in time?

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>>53042570

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>>53042486

>Bring Superheavy squadron of 3 Baneblades to the shop
>one of them explodes
>roll leadership
>the other two also explode

Bravo GW! 8th is gonna be great!

>>53042548
The fuck are you on, they are literally the definition of NPC race and always have been.
Same with orks to a lesser degree.

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>>53042525
>he doesn't get ork grammar

>>53042591
Think of it like a containment planet for Orks. From the Imperium's perspective, having billions of Orks on Armageddon is better than having them fuck off in a thousand directions and dicking over more planets.

>>53042621
And another retard that hasn't actually read the morale rules before sperging out.

>>53042621
>I don't know how 8th edition morale works, the post

>>53042621
>muh LD6 baneblades

>>53042630
So the production potential is still enough on Armageddon to warrant the constant raiding bands of orks that pop up?

>>53042650
Baneblades are crewed by guardsmen, so yes, they will be Ld6.

>>53042630
so Armageddon is /pol/?

>>53042585
Yeah now they flee instead

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>>53042554
>>53042585
Killing a tank doesnt always blow it up, its pretty rare anyways.
Even if you hit the ammo dumps in a tank youre more likley to just ignite the inside of the tank and kill the crew than cause a massive explosion.
Most of the time, a shell would hit the tank, and either:

>shatter the hull and make the tank unustable
>destroy electronics and make the tank unusable
>Pierce the hull and kill all the crew while the tank still remains somewhat usable
>Destroy the turret/main gun and make the tank combat inactive, usually causing the tank to retreat or ram other tanks in the case of soviet tank crews
>ignite the ammuntion and kill the crew
>bounce off

The only things that can easily blow up a tank in 1 shot would be a 100+mm fucking gun or something ridiculous that can go through 2 tanks, its really hard to blow up a tank.

>>53042630
>Pretty sure it's not contained.

>>53042652
In one word: Yes.

>>53042687
>Reasons we don't use steam

>>53042687
What happens if you shoot it in the engine?
From behind?
Because Facing?

>>53042666
>Tau Fire Warriors are leadership 7 in 7th
>Tau'Nar supremacy armor is Leadership 9

Really makes you think

>>53042746
Engines are like the most bulletproof parts even of a regular car. The cilinderblock is one solid, massive lump of metal, good luck shooting through that.

Even shooting through a regular fuel tank doesn't cause explosions, there needs to be flames involved

>>53042695
Not so much contained as 'the more the Orks are focused on Armageddon (the system overall, not just the planet), the less likely they're going to be fucking up the rest of the Imperium.

>>53042671
> Tank crews have never abandoned their tanks ever

>>53042795
But Hollywood taught me that even a drop of gasoline can make a car explode

>>53042795
Bulletproof vs Shell-proof aside;

Doesn't the spalling of the engine block provide enough heat for spontaneous combustion anyway?

Actually curious now.

>>53042666
>Tau Fire Warriors are Ld7
>Various Battlesuits are Ld8-9

Explain this sorcery!?

>>53042805
>I am sitting in a safe metal box.
>Getting quite scared
>Better leave my safe metal box.

>>53042687
>Most of the time, a shell would hit the tank, and
What about a giant death ray?

>>53042804
But i mean what happens afterward. The planet is now covered in spors.

Do you want WHAAG!s? Because this is how you get WHAAAAG!s.

>>53042746
If you shoot it in the engine youll disable the tank most likley, cant move,shoot,turn,do anything, its turned very rarely will it explode as >>53042795 says
Hilarously enough, if you do hit a tank in its fuel comparment, in the case of some armoured cars, and you caused a spark, youd more likley have the spark get drowned by all the gas than ignite it.
The only way tanks explode is if a shell is powerful enough to both go through the entire engine, and ignite something in the tank, like ammunition, which is fucking crazy hard to do, The Tiger tanks, The kv2s tanks, and churchills do it though, as well as most big SPA tanks could also.

>>53042825
Tanks aren't alive, so a death ray doesn't do anything to them

>>53042822
8thE Space Marine stats are Ld 7.

Everyone is bumping everything else down commensurately.
Probably not legit, but if it is there'll be hell to pay.

>>53042825
I feel like a death ray would just vaporized the parts it hit, not even crush, or pen, or blow it up, just bascially part of the tank dissapear.

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>>53042812
The Omnissiahs thrice blessed holy Promethium was personally given the Rite of Staying-calm-and-only-explode-inside-the-combustion-chamber, you are absolutely safe. But just to be sure, praise the machine spirit at least every half hour and be sure to cover the motor with cold, wet blankets, so it doesn't overheat and kill you and your fellow guardsmen in a massive explosion.

>>53042842
checkmate

>>53042823
>My mates in metal boxes just got wrecked
>Metal boxes sure feel safe right about now

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>>53042823
>My metal box looks like this now
>I think I should leave it now.

>>53042778
Here's to hoping CSM keeps VotLW so we can be as close to fearless as any army can be in 8th.

>>53042816
Thats only found in Modern Kinetic penetrators which are traveling significantly faster than shells from say the Second World War.

Spalling is likely not what causes the air to ignite, looking at how a HESH shell operates, spall is just basically shrapanel deadly to the crew.

>>53042687
With ww2 American tanks a glancing hit would kill all the crew since the shitty rivets on the inside would pop out and ping ping ping

>>53042845
The point there is more that Guardsmen in vehicles will have higher leadership to account for the fact they're better protected.

If the go up to 8, which is perfectly reasonable, then they'll be entirely safe from morale barring any modifiers.

Space marine tanks might end up with 9, making them even more resistant to such things.

And of course if you're that worried, you can always run your tanks separately instead of in a squadron.

>>53042906

Today's post kinda implied squadrons don't exist anymore anyway

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>>53042816
Short answer? No, not really.
An engine is a giant block of gas, or ignitable fluids. Theyre more metal, rubber, plastic in a tank then raw combustibles. Most engine have their fuel lines located in a way so that youd need to go through the entire metal bits of the engine to hit, which is very difficult.
Engines were mostly located in the back of the tank as well, and most combat was in the front of sides of tanks, if you got a rear shot youd more likley just disable the engine and neutralize the tank.
>>53042888
Yeah, its much easy to pen and kill the crew of a tank than try to blow it up, you dont want to destroy an enemy tank. You get a free mostly in good condition tank, if its fucked, you get free tracks, electronics, engine blocks, wheels for your crewmen and tanks to do field repairs with.
The only bad part is removing the mess inside...

>>53042812
The fuel leaks
This causes fumes mixed with air which then ignite
Explosions are rarer but just look good and are cheaper using spare parts etc than the more common total burning of a still solid car

>>53042878
>surely my squishy, fragile body will fare better against those weapons that just totaled those battle tanks

>lose carnifex
>lose the other due to 'psychic shock'
Bullshit

>>53042903
That was only early war tanks such as the Lee/Grant, which was created as a stopgap and replaced as soon as possible with the far superior Shermans.

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>>53042903
Youre thinking of Italian tanks, shermans were one of the safest tanks of the war, russians using Sherman on the lend least program recalled how nice it was when a shell hit their tank no one would get injured from the kinetic force or shock of the shell, unlike in t34 tanks and such at the time.
Italian tanks where living tank grenade, you get hit and the rivets kill everyone inside, even if it just glances the tank and bounces off.

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>>53042827
>Do you want WHAAG!s? Because this is how you get WHAAAAG!s
Nonsense humie! One good exterminatus will wipe all those pesky boyz off Ragnarork-er, Armageddon nice an' proppa!

>>53042903
Awful meme
Go read a history book

>>53042921

But aos lets you deploy those shitty looking orc and sigmarine dragons in units

>>53042944
What would be the explaination for having more guardsman die after failing their morale roll, this is without a commissar, and then not running away from the fight but staying put?

>>53042868
Not using thrice blessed mechanicum blankets and lighting incense to the machine spirit?
11010101010 heretek detected!
Purgatus in extremis! Praise the omnissiah! Death to His enemies!

>>53042626
How?

>>53042944
>Get hit with bullet
>die
>get hit with shell
>die
>Get hit with shell in tank
>violent ricocheting inside the tank, ear drums bleeding, gore, etc
You dont aim a tank like a rifle. Its much hard to score a direct hit with a tank shell on a tiny ass man than a tank.
Its also a waste of ammo, why waste your time loading to HE to kill 1 or 2 dudes running away, when another tank could show up with you ass exposed, or try to get a direct hit with an AP shell and waste it?

Marbo is back.

>>53042944
>Have Carnifex in Synapse
>Boosted to LD 10
>Impossible to have them flee even with 2 losses in a unit of 3

>Have Carnifex out of synapse
>2 die with shirty leadership 5
>Last one runs off like the mindless beast it is

What's the problem here?

>>53042988
Meant to quote
>>53042943

>>53042993
Source?

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>>53042993

What

>>53042993
Nice source faggot

>>53043010
>>53043019
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/03/shadow-war-armageddon-one-man-armies/

>>53043010
>>53043028
https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/40k8_SW_Armageddon_Kill_teams_of_One_Characters.pdf
Is this kitbash or new model?

So who here is ready for the age of white scar dominance?

>can assault out of rhinos
>can disembark, shoot, then re embark in the same turn
>mobile white scar armies full of cheap razorbacks and rhinos
>white scars will make tac marines great again

>>53043028
>>53043032
OH SHIT BOY

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Changed up my list to the new rules + fluff for DE
Thoughts?

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>>53042621
Quality imperial tech right there.

>>53043032
>no rules for callidus
bullshit

>>53043001
>actually thinking vehicles and mc will be affected by battle shock the same way troops are

>>53042842
But their crew are. Ive seen (and we flirted with) energy weapons that wreck biological systems and leave everything else. In this case the liquefied crew drips out the bottom of the tank. for the purposes of the skirmish the tank is out of the fight because no one there is likely to be able to operate it.

>>53043069
>actually not reading the article where it says a lone tank would circumvent battleshock by being alone

>>53043032
>>53043037
>auto wounding blade
>has a 5+ invul from pure fucking luck
>gets back up after getting knocked down
What the shit, did they OD on the 1d4ddit page for the guy or something?

>>53042879
Looks immobilized.

Looks like it didn't have d6 mortal wounds stripped off it's 12 wounds.

>>53043001
Carnifexes instinctive behavior is to move to the nearest enemy and kill, not run away. nids aint animals that feel fear.*

*well, until now it seems. Pissing all over established traits of armies is what 8th is all about

>>53043074
Yeah, but that wouldn't blow up the tank, would it?

>>53043105
no.

>>53043032
>No Snikrot
>No Scorpion Exarch
>No Cypher
Meh.

>>53042921
Word from GW is that IG will absolutely still have squadrons and platoons.

>>53043100
That's their instinct on your turn. Carnifex in previous editions could already fail morale checks and flee while out of synapse. Because when outside of Synapse, they're angry animals that can still get scared if they think they're outmatcheds?

>>53042960
>Safest tanks of the war
>Dem shot traps

>>53043143
thats their instinct since 3rd.

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>>53043112
>no farsight
Bullshit desu

>>53043148
That's the Germans.

>>53043037
Sure hope it's a kitbash, cause it's rubbish.

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>>53042985
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/03/new-warhammer-40000-morale/

>Now at the end of the turn you roll a d6 and add that to your casualties if that is higher than your LD you lose the difference.

This is going to destroy imperial guard forces. Considering tac marines are Ld 7 now one can expect guard will be LD6 for soldiers and LD7 for sergeants.
This means if I lose one guy I have the chance to lose another the same turn on a 6.
If I have a conscript blob that loses 10 guys to enemy fire I will auto lose and additional 5+d6 dudes.

WTF!?

Commissars better be able to shoot a guy to reroll this shit or I am fucked.

>>53043153
You're still not listening.

Carnifex. Out of synapse. Isn't fearless. Can run away if it fails morale.

Are you going to stand here and say that isn't how it works already?

>>53043189
Yes, out of synapse they retain fearless.

>>53043181
Use a fucking flag, guardsman.

>>53042943
>Surely I will be just as much of a target when I'm running away as I am sitting in a war machine
>Also panic is entirely rational

>>53043198
And now they don't. Enjoy

>>53043181
Use tanks

>>53042986
No real characters
No honors or distinguishing between grunt#2tril.0976 and grunt#2tril.0975
No complex battle strategy or goals. Literally describes as moths drawn to the golden thrown like moths to a light. battle strategy is "make more termagaunts until planet it taken"

the combination of their beast like intelligence (even if guided by the hive mind, accounts to nothing more than an ant colony without any of the ability to reason or communicate like other works, a la Enders Game series) and no goals or higher motives than "eat everything" (possibly don't be eaten) makes then a mindless xenomorph NPC monster race.

Which, mind you, isn't a bad thing. Anyone playing Xenos races arnt playing in the limelight lore wise, and having the endless waves of aliens makes a great game thematically.

>>53043189
Not him, and this is purely semantics here, but a carnifex wouldn't flee out of terror, it's survival instincts would kick in and it would flee to live. Predatory animals don't really get scared of things

>>53043181

I guess you are just fucked if you're dumb enough to run a conscript blob with no supporting characters whatsoever.

>>53043067
can't really make the most of polymorphine in the ruleset

>>53043219
exactly my complaint.

>>53043227
>Bad Moonz
>Snikrot

More where that came from.

>>53043228
Same results. Non-synapse creatures need Synapse more now

>>53042943
You do realise that tank crews jumped ship irl, right?

>>53043227
It's not that nids are an npc race, it's just difficult to tell a compelling story about them being anything other than an endless devouring horde. How would you even write fiction from the nids perspective?

>>53043181
>Commissars better be able to shoot a guy to reroll this shit or I am fucked.
Relax. Considering how 8th editions been doing pretty well for horde armies, Commissar (IG), Synapse (Nids), and Mob Rule (Orks) are probably still going to be a thing.

If they come out and say they won't be...

Yeah, then you can lose your shit.

>>53043251
Yea for game purposes it's the same thing

>>53043263

Well, they already ruined the nids by introducing the Swarmlord. Just give him a BL trilogy.

>>53043181
Might see Vox letting them test with HQ stats.

>>53043235
But based Meh'Lindi once killed a Genestealer Patriarch with it.

>>53043263
Genestealers? The Genestealer cult novel starts with a Genestealer evolving into a patriarch and its thought processes. It goes from being an animal led by instinct to an actual sapient being with its own personality and thoughts.

>>53043263
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Are there tau players who aren't weaboos or neckbeards that fap to Celestine?

>>53042981
Some of them broke and ran, the rest weren't cowards. Just because they're removed from play doesn't mean they died, just like now it doesn't mean they died if they run off the table.

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Lucius is getting a novel. Look at the guy.

He is so happy.

>>53043247
>Snikrot
Thinking about it further I retract including Orks in that generalization. they can have other motives, like the ones that work has hired muscle, and clearly have many named characters.
But nids have all of 2 named characters I can think of off the top of my head.

>>53043287
I'm saying "one of your guys is auto-dead and now you have an assassin fighting you" is not even remotely fun or interesting in a warband game.

the others still have to infiltrate conventionally, which is likely why GW chose them

>>53043265
>Commissar (IG), Synapse (Nids), and Mob Rule (Orks)
saying it now, they will be tied to command points.

>>53043304
He's surrounded by pretty elves and has a rapesword.
Of course he's happy

>>53043299
Yes and yes.

>>53043263
They really need to introduce the hive mind through the perspective of an Inquistor from the Ordo Xenos trying to learn more about it and discovering how Fucking horrifying it is and how little his existence is in comparison to it

>>53043305
Both of those being specifically named by imperials.
Yeah they're a mook army. But sometimes a dude just wants to play as the scary horde.

>>53043324
Meanwhile Ynnari actually WANT to die from anything to soulburst.

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A friend got rid of all his Warhammer stuff and gave me this painted drop pod. What chapter is this?

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>>53043304

>Ian St Martin

>>53043304
>tfw you just came inside her when you promised not to

>>53043304
Now if only they could give him a new model

>>53043263
It would be very difficult. especially with the fluff having all humans either zealously hating all aliens or wanting the galaxy for their own chaotic patrons.
Also, they have never been shown to even attempt communication or try diplomacy so its even harder to cast them as anything but a mindless horde.

>>53043297
See that's pretty cool, they should expand on that. I hate to bring star craft into the argument but do nids have an overmind type thing? They need stuff like that to be more than just this >>53043298

>>53043316
Sure. I don't even know what to do with stuff like polymorphin. Aside from the whole shapeshifting, Callidus are quite regular assassins, compared to stuff like Eversors and Culexus Assassins.

I just wanted to point out that polymorphin is one hell of a drug, that can turn a Patriarch into pudding within seconds (At least in this one story)

>>53043300
Be weird if the squads in the middle of the table, out in the open, like where did they run off to?

>>53043359
>YFW Battleshock casualties won't count.

>>53043366
Revilers, normally a lighter grey though.

>>53043366

The Relictors, guys who are on the verge of going bad if they don't clean up their act soon

>>53043299
Is there anyone on /tg/ that doesn't fap to celestine?

>ywn follow her into battle
Why am I even here

>>53043358
Nothing wrong with that my dude. My problem came with the original fa\tg\uy acting as though nids are *suddenly* being shelved as an npc race.

>>53043383
>>53043355
They already it that.

Yriel and Iyanananana~ had an encounter with the Hivemind itself and realized that it has a singular fathomless hatred for them both. It hates them individually and marked them for death and eternal torture because they are among the few beings in thousands of years that managed to wound it and actually threaten it.

>>53043396
Relictors are without the lightning bolt and they are already declared Excommunicate Traitorus.

Just turn Nids into Zergs already.

>>53043402
Yes.

>>53043419
Jesus what did they do to provoke it? Almost kill a heart of a hive arm?

>>53043298
Not gonna lie, the ending made me tear up a little.

>>53043304
His armour looks great, but he sure lost a lot of fights.

>>53043451
Yriel used the Spear of Twilight (revealed in GS to be one of the Crone Blade that must be used to awaken Ynnead to his full glory) to stab a Hive Tyrant.

The Spear sucked the portion of the Hivemind in the Tyrant and then latched on to the Hivemind itself and started draining it. This actually wounded the Hivemind. A minor wound but the shock of being actually hurt for the first time in forever caused it to throw a fit.

>>53043432
So we can Kerrigan Goddess of Essences?

God that ending was mentally retard. Almost as if GW wrote it.

And no AC did not wrote SC2 he was there for mechanics

>>53043392
Maybe they just ran 6 inches and went to ground and are slowly creeping away the rest of the battle. Since they're no longer effectives, there's no point to keeping the models out, just like there's no point to leaving models knocked over to represent casualties.

>>53043395
>>53043396
Nice, thanks. Sounds like the kind of chapter he'd start.


>>53043420

>>53043496
>actually wounded the Hivemind
>wounded the "god" of nids
Whaddya know, the panzees actually did something GOOD for once.

>>53043496
Sounds pretty stupid, much like anything about Eldar.

>>53043432
>downgrade them into a race that ripped them off

>>53043538
Eldar piss me off endlessly because of this. It's just nonstop "OH BUT WE ACTUALLY PLANNED THIS ALL ALONG"

Why is reanimation protocol retarded? Reanimated should be coming back from the dead, not ignoring wounds.

>>53043496
How the fuck do they hurt a concept?

>hint throughout the whole rules release how Orks and Tyranids will be better
>release moral rules that only favor MSU's of Eldar and Tyranids
>Ork and Tyranids will lose their entire armies in the moral phase.

Great now I have to be one of those fags who plays the earlier edition because they fucked up and made my army unplayable garbage in the new one.

Goo job GW you fucking morons. How did you manage to make Tyranids and Orks WORSE and Eldar and Space Marines better? It was considered impossible but you fucking that twats pulled it off.

WE SHOULD TURN NIDS INTO CUTE GIRLS WITH NICE THIGHS AND BUTTS

>>53043304
How do you deal with a guy that just takes over the body of his killer. Assuming they felt any emotion on lucius's death?

I mean the only thing I think you could do is either trick him into killing himself or push him out of your ship and onto a disabled shuttlecraft.

>>53043561
>eldar

>>53043566
>Exact same as Sigmar morale rules
>AOS Bonesplitter Orks don't have much battleshock problems at all because Mob Rule is excellent, and they have less to lose.

Stop whining.

>>53043263
You're not supposed to write nids from their perspective. You're supposed to write them from the opponent's perspective to retain some of the mystery and unknown and horror that made their early fluff so good. That's part of the reason the new stuff is shit, it's all written from this bland, matter-of-fact, boring omniscient third-person narrator instead of being done in-universe from actual character perspectives the way the old stuff was. Nu-GW writers are shit.

>>53043553
Like Armless the Harmless?
Well GW and BL cant even do a proper tank commander. They can simply copy past any well recorded tank commander from WWII and be done with it and some how still fail

>>53043566
>GW just ports AOS rules to 40k, making minor modifications.
>It's shit
Surprising.

>>53043515
man fuck that ending. I really like the sc/BW stories, they're nice and grimdark and you get the sense that bad shit is happening all over the sector.
sc2 just got too epic for its own good, introducing/retconning in gods and evil gods and making the fate of the universe come down to a ragtag band of underdog heroes fighting against the odds!
also, they refused to make evil playable characters anymore-sc1 was fun because you completely change sides and start killing the very same guys you were just playing as in each campaign.

>>53043573
>Lure him into a blob of conscripts
>Deathstrike Missile
there you go.

>>53043561
Some Eldar swords like Asurman's sword can erase a daemon from existence. Daemons are more concepts than the Hivemind considering that it's the collective "soul"/consciousness of the Tyranid race.

>>53043432
>entire invading fleet gets rekt by maxed protoss with carriers and storm
anon pls no

>>53043566
>AoS becomes popular
>shit all over 40k to attract AoSfags

>>53043561
Because it's not a "concept"; The hive mind is in essence, the soul of each and every single Tyranid.

>>53043112
>no battlesuit
>no carnifex
>no warboss

>>53043566
>I know what the rules are going to be for 8th
retard.

>>53043531
It's dumb because the Hive mind isn't a fucking God. It's an abstract concept.

>>53043581

No one fucking cares what happens in your retarded bow and arrow game that everyone hated but suddenly started to suck GWs dick because they released some big shiny models to distract your crow like player base

How much are you expecting to spend when 8th drops?

>>53043566
>Ork and Tyranids will lose their entire armies in the moral phase
>Forgetting Mob Rule and Synapse exist and will probably carry over to 8th edition
I don't see why you're complaing. Da boyz are gonna be fine.

>>53042943
do you have autism?

>>53043600
The deathstrike operator becomes lucius because he killed him.

Maybe you could kill him with suicide bombers?

>>53043573
Send things that feel feel no emotion or have excellent self control. However, he still will come back. Slaanesh would recreate him in the Warp and throw him back again.

Lucius can only be truly killed by a being whose heart is full of nothing but mercy and compassion.

>>53043527
>Finally mighty battle brothers, we killed the vile xenos.
>Errr wait ... tell me, Cato Sicarius why are two of our venerable Vanguard Veterans creeping over the battlefield, Sargent Titus.
>Well the advanced too eager and lost 7 brother to an attacking battlewagon,
>Now they are retreating to safty without being seen, my dear Captain Can u Suckmyass

>>53043632
>implying mob rule and synapse won't use command points per turn

>>53043624
They specifically say to many armies ignored the leadership phase and how that was a bad thing.

You think they're going to say that, and then issue army wide fearless for Nids or some boon to Orks?

>GW says directly one thing, but they'll do the complete opposite trust me I suck their dick for a living

Fag

>>53043629
Depends on whether they can write Tyranids worth a damn. Current expectations are dropping rapidly. If they don't knock this out of the park so hard that the stench of Robin Cruddace's disgusting scum is completely gone then they've lost me as a customer for life.

>>53043316
>Start of the fight choose one Enemy Trooper, write down who, but don't tell your opponent. Your Assassin is actually him.
Start of your turn you may reveal yourself and replace the Trooper with the Assassin. (That Trooper is Seriously Injured? (Fluff was he got ambushed and replaced earlier)

Let's your opponents run around trying to complete the mission.

Throw in a rule that any enemy model that:
>Loses sight of Callidus
>AND doesn't have sight to all other friendly Kill Team members

Will treat the Assassin as hiding (she took their shape and now presenting them with the doppelganger scenario)

Could be a fun mental game, but that's about it.

>>53043032
>incoherent screaming
>he moves faster than a space marine

>>53043653
You have to feel positive emotion at his death IIRC, I would imagine if you were just told to launch a missile at some random coordinates among a whole volley that wouldn't happen.

>>53043653
Send battle automatas then.
On a somewhat related note, a horde of Necron Warriors might do wonders.

>>53043632
Look at Age of Sigmar mob rule. we're probably going to get a direct port of it and it'll be great.

>>53043625
>Lots of similarities between the rules they're releasing
>Direct examples of things to expect
>"Lol no one cares"

Okay.

>>53043632

>specifically say to many armies ignored the leadership phase
>backtrack and issue army wide fearless again.

That doesn't make sense.

>>53043148
>safest tank
>a tank that used highly volatile airplane fuel because some autistic generals wanted it to be faster

If you're not orks or nids, why do you complain about scatter lasers? Pretty much every other faction has better higher strength low AP cheap weapons.

>>53043629
What the DG bundle costs probably.

My Orks are already set for years to come, unless the Orkanaughts become REALLY fun...
Or new Buggies come out.

>>53043704
The platform.

>>53043694
Yeah the only thing I expect is 40k to release gigantic shiny models that make you like the rules because the model is cool.

>>53043228
>Predatory animals don't really get scared of things

What? Most predators are skittish as fuck. Even apex predators tend to be pretty cautious.

Obviously means nothing as far a carnifex is concerned, because it's not the same kind of thing at all. Just being autistic.

>>53043719
The fragile jetbike that dies to AP3 that everyone and their mother has? Or even to goddamn bolters?

>>53043629
I'll most likely buy the three "alliances" books, than it depends on GW having made the books internally balanced
I'd really like a reason to buy assault marines or bikes to convert as Sky and Swift Claws

>>53043694
How does Mob rule work in AoS?

>>53043601
My question still stands. Fucking how?

Never mind it must be lore from 4th onwards. Some how they manage to make 40k more retarded

>>53043704
>>53043743

The spammable 27 ppm Obsec 12" move 3+ jinking Scatter lasers with optional slot-less psyker supports in every unit.

It earns it's points worth of units every turn and take more than it's points of firepower to remove.

>>53043743
Yeah, the one that can easily get a cover save against heavier guns, is as tough as a marine against anything lighter, and can hang out at 36" range and jump 2d6 after shooting

>>53043734
I would argue survival instinct is what makes them skittish, they wouldn't feel fear the way we would

>>53043720
>Complain about AoSification of rules making orks even worse, because new 40k = AoS
>Get told they are much better under the same rules in AoS
>HUN HUN STAPH TALKING ABOUT AOS FAGGOT ITS NOT THE SAME

You deserve not playing anymore

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>>53043656

Celestine?
While she is slaying heretics and burning their hovels in a dozen the idea of mercy and compassion is probably different in 40k, so she might be just right.

>>53043743
>>53043704
Eldar jetbikes move, shoot and the move out of LoS so you can't shoot them.

Scatter lasers put out of tons of s6 shots for barely any points, you can take tons of them and they're on a troops choice with objective secured.
The number of shots they put out gets even more egregious when a farseer can use doom or misfortune to get around it's supposed weakness, low ap.
T4 and 3+ with a 4+ jink isn't that fragile for something you can take tons of.

>>53043763
Mob rule gives extra attacks if over 20 boys.
The base rules give +1 bravery for every 10 models in a unit

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>>53043561
>that moment you realize the Eldar have broken the 4th wall and keep the devs at swordpoint

>>53043665
No, but I don't think they didn't realize that if you lose 10/30 boyz or gants to shooting they'll make you lose up to 10 more on top of that in morale phase when they explicitly said they are trying to balance the game.

if you have a shitty attitude and shitty expectations then you'll hate the new edition even if everyone else agrees it's great. fuck off.

>>53043783
>>53043786
Jink? You mean that thing that makes them useless and kills them on a coin flip?

36" doesn't mean that much. You can cut off the board easily with decent positioning.

>>53043496
Wow, we really are zerg now.

>>53043743
>That moves 12", flats out 36"
>objective secured
>4+ jink if worried about dying
>breaks normal Jetbike/ Bike rules (as every other army gets +1T from a Bike while Eldar get +1T and +2 to their Armour Save
>And about the same cost as my 3+ dudes.

Worst fluff change for tyranids: Swarmlord

>>53043790
Like all Sisters of Battle she sings litanies of hate and revels in the bloodshed. Her heart it not pure.

>>53043373
The hardest hittin 1850pter

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Is there any 40k character based on Doomguy?

>>53043542
You need to check your timeline, Zerg ripped off Nids in a major way.

>>53043660
ok, so they dropped everything and ran for their lives. I've never been in the army, I don't know what actually happens in such a case. the rest of my post is still valid.

>>53043852
No but the Exorcists are the closest you'll get

>>53043809
>>53043786
Jetbikes can't Run and Battle-focus does not permit them to turbo-boost.

>>53043664
>implying GW's going to DELIBERATELY cripple nids and Orks by limiting a key part of their army's strategy with command points
You're zoggin' high anon.

>>53043228
predatory animals get scared a lot
they get scared of things bigger than it

>>53043852
Dragio
>travels through hell, killing daemons

Kharn
>fueled by rage

>>53043833
You can't turbo boost/jink and be effective, and they always have obsec. No tactical doctrines or some other shitty buff either.

>>53043283
id cum buckets, glad i have like 12 voxmen

>>53043878
>implying they won't
They said command points are also for using characteristic traits of your armies.

>>53043874
Look up eldar jetbikes in the main codex, under 'jetbikes'.

>>53043843
>Killing Heretics, traitors, mutants and Xenos
>Not Pure

Pick one.

Are Orks good in AoS? They are borrowing a bit of rules from AoS so I feel the Orks may reflect that a bit as well.

>>53043228
ACKTUALLY
apex preditors are very skiddish because if they get injured they will be unable to hunt and die

>>53043874
>I don't actually know the rules we're talking about

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>>53043878
>implying GW's going to DELIBERATELY cripple nids and Orks
Oh, I don't think "GW" will be the one doing it.

>>53043781
Same way the Emperor deleted Horus's soul.

>>53043781
>My question still stands. Fucking how?

It's a big soul.
The Spear of Twilight sucks souls.

>>53043899
>IG keeps orders
>but you only get two orders total per game because muh command points

>>53043882
Is Draigo still considered OP?

>>53043570
im not exactly against qt bug girls
get the drawfags on it

>>53043882
If only we could somehow combine these characters...

>>53043828
50% chance to ignore ap3-1 weapons.
not counting cover or the default conceal power their pet warlock gets.

They aren't "GOD" units, but they can be spammed harder and can threaten anything that might counter them.

Is Dark vengeance any good if I don't intend to play my marines as Darn Angels?

>>53043861
Read my post, the post i replied to, then my post again, then shoot yourself.

>>53043852
Shas'la Kais was pretty Doomguy'ish.

Another day with no proper mortarion or death guard reveal.

Why do they have to tease me like this?

>>53043566
>Morale rules favour armies with good leadership
Who could have anticipated such a thing?

>>53043851
>>53043373
/heem/ pls go

>>53043573
necron warriors, nids, servitors, have a blank kill him, order a nuke dropped on him and yourself

>>53043907
Orks have three different factions in AoS.

Basic Orks are pretty bad, but no one plays them really.

Savage Orks are really powerful, they have strong blobs, don't tend to take too much damage in the battleshock phase, and they put out a ton of shooting.

Ironjaws are pretty middle of the road, they're very powerful in melee but linear.

I think Orks will be in a good spot.

>>53043935
Its alright if you like robes, otherwise no get the start collecting box instead.

>>53043932
Jink doesn't even interact with cover, and they become useless when they jink.

>>53043900
>>53043915
Well shit, jokes on me for using the only craftworld jetbike that never benefits from that...

>>53043852
i mean draigo is kinda like that, but the daemons (in hell anyway) are more annoyed then terrified by him. outside of hell he's terrifying

>>53043927
for most armies, no. for daemons it's kinda weird. a Waac daemon list will ravage any grey knight list. he's more tough then anything

>>53042746

The only way a tank would dramatically explode is if being hit were to cause it's stored ammunition to cook off. That is nearly always the cause of these dramatic explosions where the pressure causes the turret seal to break.

This was uncommon but did happen, if a round destroyed the engine it may cause a fire if the fuel were to ignite but more likely the tank would stop and everyone would bail out since you're a sitting duck.

>>53043896
>You can't turbo boost/jink and be effective,
Oh look, last turn and I went second. Let me turboost across the board and take one of your Objectives because I'm Objective Secured.

>You can't turbo boost/jink and be effective,

Oh you're targeting me with AP3 and somehow I don't have cover. I either (1) Die or (2) Jink, Turboboost out of LOS, and wait until end of game to snipe and Objective.

>they always have obsec.

True you can take them in a non CAD, but it's so easy to CAD them you have to take that to consideration.

>No tactical doctrines or some other shitty buff either.

Alex, What are Warlocks?

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>>53043843

She even has white doves, can you believe it
WHITE DOVES
How can she not be pure?

Why aren't more people complaining about reanimation protocols? Gay shit. What's so "reanimating" about ignoring wounds?

>>53043935
No, the cionography is already modeled onto them. You're better off with a start collecting box. Ironically, the Dark Angels Gauntlet Tactical Squad (The one with a Rhino in it) would be even better for you, as it's just a regular SM kit with a DA upgrade-sprue, and the Rhino is basically free.

>>53043704
you're either trolling or you've never played against skat spam run by someone with two brain cells

>>53042486
best boyband

When does 8th edition drop again?

>>53043966
>they become useless when they jink.
They still get to hold objectives and massed s6 snap-fire can still shred shit.

>>53043304
>circushammer 40k

>>53043989
>She even has white doves, can you believe it

Birds are the symbol for Tzeentch.

>>53044001
I just make sure they're not hitting me from over 36" all game. My troops move too, imagine that.

>>53043990
There is already too much 8th shit to complain about

Age of Sigmar 40k

>>53043790
Celestine is the embodiment of the emperors wrath. She doesnt show up to spread peace and love, she shows up to purge everything in righteous hatred

>>53044019
Soon(tm)

>>53043966
>50% chance for my 75pt bike squad to invalidate your 200pt plasma tank in exchange for being useless for one turn
Seems like a good deal to me famalam.

>>53044027
No, anthropomorphic furry birds are the symbol of Tzeentch.

>>53044027
>>53043989
Also pidgeons are really dirty vermins.

>>53044031
Complain now so they get nerfed. Pls geedubs

>>53043809
>Eldar jetbikes moved*, shot* and then moved* out of LoS so you couldn't* shoot them.

Glad 8th will be better

>>53043990
remember the part in T2 where the liquid metal terminator gets a shotgun to the head and his head just reforms? that's what reanimation protocol is.

>>53044029
>My troops move too, imagine that.
True, but I doubt faster than Eldar Bikes

Bikes move 12" and shoot 36" = 48" threat. Not counting 7" Battle Focus retreat.

Most "Troops" have 24" + 6" move for 30"

30"<36"

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Will dkok and other forgeworld armies get rules for the new edition?

>>53044029
How big is your table than you can avoid a 12" move and 36" gun?

>>53044045
They are 27 ppm
So 81 pts at least

>>53044045
If your 200pt plasma tank only has 1 shot, you're doing it wrong.

>>53044069
bikes cant battle focus my dude

>>53044073
>Read the updates
yes

>>53044074
You don't avoid shit like an autist, you take the fight to them and cut off the board.

>>53043958
Sweet :D
I actually really love the Orc models in AoS, I converted lot's of Boar Riders to Orc Bikers (cus cheaper plus looks cool), probably will do other conversions.

>>53044087
But they can Jetbike thrust in the assault phase, which is even better and can go over walls.

>>53044069
You don't have to move faster or even as fast, just enough to get your weapons in range and fuck them up.

>>53044019
We don't know a specific date, they said this year. So probably sometime later in 2017. Maybe Christmas?

>>53044097
What does autism have to do with avoiding shit?

Is this a meme? Like saying literally to mean figuratively?

>>53044119
Lol
Its out in june

>>53043878
For it to be deliberate they have to give a fuck about ork and nid players. Which they clearly don't

>>53044087
Haven't looked at their rules recently, and didn't recall if BF had a clause to affect bikes, it's why I didn't include it in my math.

>>53044124
Because you must be autistic to think I ever said you could run away from scatbikes.

>>53044073
everything will lad.

>>53044142
Wew

>>53043852
Sly Marbo

>>53044127
Seriously? Geedubz is so fast these days, less than a month!

>>53044110
Your Weapons are 24". Theirs are 36"

You move 6". You're still out of range.

They move back 6" and shoot.

You move forward 6". You're still out of range.

>>53044073

Nope, FW won't make rules for their models because they no longer care if people buy them.

Come on anon, use your noggin. They've discontinued all the Imperial Armour books.

>>53044159
What, do you play on tables that go on for infinity? They can't run forever.

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>>53044119
>>53044127

>>53044110
>Start 48 inches away from bikes
>They move forward 12, shoot you, and then move back 7
>You move up 6 inches, so you're 37 inches away. Too far too shoot
>Bikes inch up, shoot you again, move 7 inches away
>Your turn, move up 6, now 37 inches away again

Yeah, gonna be real easy to catch them and not get kited into infinity

>But limited table space!
Yeah, if you keep at it you might force them into a corner, but that's only 1 bike squad that you're using a lot of army to try and corral. A lot of army that's vulnerable to massed scatter lasers, by the way

>>53044159
Not him but he is correct, you can technically corner jet bikes on a 48 by 48 table. I've done it and it isn't fun or easy, but it's entirely possible

>>53043989
>fight_at_drag_convention.png

>>53044031
And its still better than 7th

>>53043809
>be playing 40k for about a year
>got pretty gud, won a lot of my local stores tournies
>played some skatbike heavy armies and thought they were tough but beatable
>didn't realize the extent of their faggotry
>local eldar cheese player matches against me in a tourney
>i wreck him hard
>talk a little shit and he says hell make sure to beat me next time
>brought MSU bike spam and scatter war walkers with hornets and a wraithknight to top it off
>boxes me in with a bunch of deep striking and outflanking units
>sits exactly 36in back laying into my with probably over 100 shots of S6 a turn
>anything that tries to push into range dies instantly
>turn six he turbo boosts onto all the objectives with his obsec bikes to either claim or contest every objective
>cunt smile the entire game pretending like he didn't know what he was doing
>most miserable game of 40k id ever played, was clearly over by the end of turn two, enjoyed watching him storm out of the shop after getting beat by a cool dude with fully painted tau
can't wait for bikes to get hit with the nerf bat

>>53044174
They don't have to run forever, because they're shooting you to death during this

>>53044187
>Start 48 inches away from bikes
There's your problem, autist. The only time this should happen is if their army is close to the table edge, to be cornered by your army.

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>>53043980

All this discussion is irrelevant, IRL if your tank got penetrated once the crews would outright run away from it.
It doesnt matter if they were pesky russians or wehrmacht panzertruppen. Once they realize there is someone out there that just managed to penetrate them and cause some damage chances of getting hit again in the following 10-15 seconds is very high. So they try to bail out.

Picture the situation like this

>You are driving your tank on the countryside, 15 kms from the rendezvous point
>your vision is very low inside the tank, you see very little.
>The crew compartments are cramped and you can barely move on your seat. The farthest you can bring your hand up is over to head which sits about 15cms below the roof of your drivers compartment
>Sudddenly your tank gets hit by something and you hear a crack followed by a loud concussion.
>It takes some moments to get a hold of your-self. There is still a concussion in your ears.
>Your vision is blurry, you look up to your tank commander, there is no response.
>The smell inside is acrid ,there is still dust in the air , it is hard to breathe.
>Other crew mates are shouting, and finally your vision clears and you see red.
>The tank commanders head is stuck by what looks like a piece of armor itself, that got cracked. The piece pins a part of his head to the inside of the cupola. His body is hunced over his seat.

>Someone vomits.

>>53044205
Fucking this, anything is better than 7th and I'm begining to think the only people complaining about 8th are the ones who play armies that dominate 7th

>>53044218
dude this guy is feeding you low quality b8, he's clearly pretending to be retarded to get a reaction

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>rules rebalancing
>playing ANYONE but Dark Eldar
Explain yourself

>>53044174
Usually catch them T3. So they get 2 free shooting phases. Which is enough to be crippled.

>>53044217
If you brought an army that can be killed by scatter lasers in 2 turns without the ability to fire back while closing in on them, you might be an autist.

>>53043238
Run them as single models instead of units, now they never make moral tests.

>>53044225
They have to be, the only people who dont welcome the new edition are either eldar otlr tau niggers

>>53044227
>pointing out how cheesy Scatbikes are is bait

>>53044228
Boring as fuck conversion wise, Eldar in general are the bottom of the barrel, best you can hope for is a action pose of a pimped Wraithknight/lord.

>>53044228
I'm not into S&M and I'm not a faggot.

>>53044228
I'm not an edgy teenager.

>>53044228
They dont exist anymore, they're being folded in to Ynnari because the dark city is gone.

>>53044250
Then you run against force org limits.

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>>53044228
I need to check if Firewarriros and Hammerheads centric Tau are still awesome as fuck

>>53044246
Predators were my anti bike go to units. Scat bikes can't even hurt them from the front, and lascannons 1 shot the bikes from a further distance

>>53043852
Straken is closest there is. He has good resilience, rip-and-tear strength, shotgun and no fear.

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>>53044228
Silly panzee.

Everyone knows ORKZ IZ BEST!

>>53044234
No delivery system? No long ranged weaponry to weaken their two-turn salvo? Autist.

>>53044255
but pretending not to understand why the most powerful unit in the game is busted is

I'm personally fine with the way Morale was simplified.

>>53044262
Implying: Battleground - Commorragh won't feature Vect and Dark Eldar vs. Fulgrim and Emperor's Children vs. Grotesque!Khan and Freed Slaves and White Scars (back at full strength after Koi Fish and Monkey due to NuMarines)

>>53043781
>Some how they manage to make 40k more retarded
Daemons being 100% invincible is retarded. Them actually being able to suffer final death is a lot better and needs to be more widespread.

>>53044277
You need to teach the autist these basic things.

>>53044277
I preferred to out-eldar them by spamming Dark reapers, S8 ap3 ignores cover with re-roll to hits on fuckers that boosted, zoomed, swoopes or flat-outed.

>>53044293
It's mobile, durable, and killy.

Not knowing that Jetbikes can move w
2d6 in the assault phase while trying to argue they aren't so bad is the real bait

>>53044300
shhh anon you're supposed to be super babi angr
>don't tell anyone but i like it too

>>53044228
>A Chaos Dark Apostle, for example, allows all nearby units from the same Legion to use his Leadership.
I'm sorry but huge mobs of cultists armed with pistols, lead by the founders of the Imperial Church are calling to me.

>>53044277
But they jink away the pain or move out of LOS.

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>>53044201
>Sobs and dark eldar in anime fantasies vs how they look in 40k reality.

>>53044055
That i agree, not only pidgeons but little ones too. I have a budgerigar and it shits as big as its head in total mass every single day.
It would be a funny sight to see celestine looking all holy with the emperors light and getting pidgeon shit on her armor while she was trying to deliever a speech.

>Sisters, i have been brought back by the Emperors grace and....
>.......
>Awkward silence

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Post yfw you realize the rules changes make this the edition of the orks

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>>53044097
Did you know repeating the same word over and over is a strong indicator of autism?

>>53044332
I'd rather have this system where it affects everyone than that half assed system where the armies affected by it were the minorities.

>Doesn't matter that my Marine!bro can't pass a morale test to save his life

>>53044346
Then shoot the rest of the army, autist.

>>53044228

I am not into transvestites.

>>53044361
There are so many common words everyone uses over and over, that must mean everyone has autism. Nah it's just you, autist.

>>53044353
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whxcq4I0kAo

>>53044228
Don't like elves of any flavor.

Has anyone ever used Painboyz with their orks? Seems to me like Big Meks and Warbosses are just better.

>>53044346
Jink isn't 100% and if they move out of Los you shoot something else. Jet bikes are very good but they aren't unbeatable.

Another cheese tactic I used was the formation that allows vanguard vets to charge out of deepstrike on turn 1 or 2. If the eldar player went second you just hold the vets until turn 2 and then decimate his bikes once they deploy

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How do Necrons make sense fluff wise with the new moral rules?
>It will apply to almost every unit, and represents warriors fleeing the battlefield, dying from the psychic feedback shockwaves of their allies, or retreating with injured or fallen brethren.
Necrons don't really flee the battlefield. They retreat when it's the only logical thing to do, but they usually come back, and would only retreat in units, not as individuals.