/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

Last thread didn't even hit bump limit. Were you really that eager to put up this one?

>>53040848
>Wraith

No. But I'd like to. It's that critical darling that never sold well.

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One of the more annoying guys in vtes.

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>>53041456
his bets fraindo

I want lewd. Where can I get some lewd?

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i had this idea of doing a VtM game on the sprawl from dad space 2.
The dead space universe seems like what the World of Darkness would be like in the future.

Do you guys have any ideas for plots?

>>53041671
dad space sounds awesome

>>53040848
>Wraith question

I think about it frequently. Including how weird it must be for living Japanese people to help resistance against Yu Huang.

>>53039652
They were explicitly to pad out the schedule, anon. Distribution channels wanted a steady stream of books for their revenue. This lead to the supplement treadmill, minimal research time windows, and bad editing.

>>53041608
You mean for WoD? Look in some of the less regulated books, or go to hentai foundry and search for vampires, werewolves or what have you.

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>>53041671
>>53042071
dad space....

I want in on this IP!

Did this thread turn into a world crafting: dad space -edition?

>>53042405
Yes!

The awkward but lovable world of dad space!

>>53042514
If the world had an empra fra 40k -type of a character, would his name be Hugh Mongous?

>>53042577
>Hugh Mungous
Wot?

Requesting Changeling the Dreaming 20th Anniversary

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>>53042618

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>>53042698
Did you just sexually harass me?

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>>53040848
Yes. Once. It lasted all of one session and I don't really remember it.

repostan: ALRIGHT SPORTS FANS!

In the giant, smoking crater that was M20 they did do one interesting thing. They provided the future fate sidebars so that you could pick and choose between the foundational concepts of your game from three editions. I've collected them all here.

So, let's build the ultimate edition of Ascension.

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>>53042740
Welp better to just make a youcare account, since I'm obviously the victim here.

Local surfer girl awakens as Thyrsus will you be her mentor?

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>>53042926

>>53042926
Surfer dudes/gals do not make good Seers of the Throne so no

>>53042926
I will burn her using water.

>>53042642
I'm not the hero anon who posted it last thread, but here it is.
https://mega.nz/#!yMtBnSAC!-K5Val2vP6kD2x0yAjsfRk0234814CQlgrUSNRm3N_c

Post hunter music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3wKzyIN1yk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQJCi4RVFZ8

>>53043070
>Best art from the 20 line

>>53042698
HUMONGOUS WOT?

>>53043676
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuFJ9reBX5c

>>53043676
https://youtu.be/onE43h_TUUY

>>53041456
>Little Tailor for all the War Ghouls
>Anson with how many Master phases
>Leatherface, because Bum's Rush all day erryday
>Mata fucking Hari
>that one Malkavian

>>53043676
https://youtu.be/MK6TXMsvgQg

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Skills every neonate vampire needs?

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>>53044360
Read his skill, no one can do shit about it. It's way too annoying. Blocking in that game is so strong. Almost better than acting.
On the topic of recruiters or employers, what do you think of pic? Only if he had spiritus to do some muricia's calling

>>53044514
Athletics for running away and empathy to know when to shut up

>>53044514
The ability to not stand out in a crowd, the knowledge on how to move through the city, where to find things and who to find to get them, the ability to stand for himself and most importantly the knowledge of who not get on the bad side of

>>53044514
Common sense

>Hunter: The Vigil game planning
>GM says it's a tier 3 game (pretty sweet)
>Nobody can agree on what conspiracy to be
>"No it's okay you can be different conspiracies"
Will this work or nah? I can understand some, like VASCU and VALKYRIE potentially working together, but the party as is (four people) want to be VASCU, Cheiron, Faithful of Shulpae, and Aegis Kai Doru.

>>53044590
This

>>53044602
I can imagine VASCU agent siting in Cheirons pocket so this could work but rest of those guys are kinda uh

>>53044514

Obtenebration, Vicissitude and Protean.

>>53044648
I mean that's the thing that fucks with me actually
VASCU and Cheiron could conceivably work together
And Aegis and Shulpae could (considering Aegis only cares about the fate of the artifacts, not those who have them)
They're two workable pairings mashed together into a mess.

>>53044672
No
Obeah, Fortitude, Visceratica

>>53044488
Full house witnessed

>>53040848
>triple booby
What splat is that from?

>>53044602
It's...not impossible, but it greatly depends on the conspiracies in question.

>>53042926
No, I'll hand her off to somebody else because apprentices ARE FOR CHUMPS.

CHUMPS.

>>53044531
No one can do shit is rarely a thing in VtES, there's multiple ways to disable specific Vampire or straight up burn an Ally.
>Blocking in that game is so strong.
It really is, that's why you either stack up Stealth, swarm with more Minions than Prey can keep up with or go unblockable.

As for whatshisface and retainer trickery, I guess it might work if you build around it, though I don't think it will be that much better than just swarming with Cap 1 little shits from Embraces.

>>53044700
>Obeah
>Visceratica
I'm pretty sure Salubri Gargoyle is one of the Tremere's wet dreams, but let's be realistic...

>>53041671
Very unique take, if you ever do it, please storytime it here. How would you handle Vampires daily slumber?

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>>53042926
Yes. I'll guide her in using her gift without letting it corrupt her soul, and teach her to practice responsible use of the powers God has blessed her with.

Would a Gargoyle be willing to teach you Visceratika if you kill his Tremere master?

Have you ever had an idea for a homebrew Hunter conspiracy? Tell us about it.
>Project TSAR
>Basically a communist VALKYRIE/Cheiron combination
>Russia-funded covert ops group acting as cold war style sleeper agents
>activating on confirmation of monster presence
>goal is Cheiron-style capture and send back to Moscow for potential weaponization of monsters against USA in upcoming WWIII
>Endowment would basically be implanted triggers and abilities to allow them to better infiltrate and espionage

>>53044949
>In space no one can hear you snort

Not the op and I play cofd not wod but I would still tie it to day/night cycle of whatever planet they are on at that moment as silly as it sounds. Bigger problem is what to do with space stations

>>53045117
Russia's not communist though, unless this is for a game set during the Cold War

Cool idea otherwise - still works in the modern day, the combination of a Charon-style oligarch-owned corporation with some Kremlin-backed covert ops group would make for a great faction.

>>53045111
What fucking Garygoyle has a Tremere master in modern nights? It's literally illegal to the Camarilla and the Tremere can be blood hunted for it.

Dark Ages they didn't even have the discipline.

>>53044725
That's a Gangrel and she's just a very muscly lady

>>53045390
well when I say Communist it sorta implies you're going the 'shadow government' route

>>53044725
>>53045438
It's her armpit, the sleeve is pulled down her arm.

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>>53045426
Greetings, neonate.

>>53045117
So what group of supernaturals pulls their strings?

>>53045426
Are sure anon?
Are you SURE
Are you TOTALLY SURE
Thet Tremere give a fuck about rules?
Are you sure anon

>>53045518
You do realize that he made it, acknowledge that he shouldn't have, and would have literally been blood hunted by any Prince if he wasn't an Elder.
Hell, even ousting him would have gotten him lambasted by his elders.

It's literally illegal to do what he did and you will be blood hunted for it by both the Camarilla and Tremere.

>>53044834
Well shit, can you imagine if they managed to make one in the Dark Ages?

>>53045472
...I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about. What does communism have to do with "shadow government"? You're throwing a weird outdated concept in there, forget about communism and focus on Putin/Oligarch-funded Russian Sleeper Agents.

>>53045575
Tremeres that break their laws get in a fuckton of trouble. Which is to say, you get locked outside the chantry one night alone.

Tremere are fucking rules lawyers and follow the laws to the letter and not a fucking inch more.

>>53045575
kek

>>53045486
Nah man that bitch has three boobs.

>>53045577
But if he did it before joining the Camarilla, I don't see elders/prince caring much. It's only if he created it after, they would get interested

>>53040848
I did run a brief campaign of WrtO that lasted about 5 sessions. It was certainly interesting. I had a lot of fun playing up the weirder aspects of the setting and especially bureaucratic mess that is the Heirarchy. Much fun was had in a scene where a Silent Legion recruiter convinced one of the PCs (who was a murder victim) to join his legion. The character was killed in a hobo fight over drug money so the recruiter used that angle to say the PC was *technically* a victim of despair.

The players also got the hang of shadow-guiding after the first session. As a GM I just had to introduce the idea the shadows exist to make the story interesting and not to ever take away any spotlight from the Psyche's player, and the group rolled with it. It also helped keep players who would otherwise be not present in a scene stay engaged with the ongoing session by shadow-guiding.

All in all it was a fun experience. My only regret is that the game fell apart because of IRL obligations, but hey, that happens.

>>53045577
Your point?

He still did it.

>>53045646
ALL VAMPIRES ARE PART OF THE CAMARILLA

Secondly, how the fuck does a Tremere join the Camarilla after the embrace? They're the fucking Tremere, they're all part of it and anyone who says otherwise will end up as a pile of ash.

>>53045595
Still he can have this Conspiracy as something that started in USSR and survived its fall.

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>>53045678
>ALL VAMPIRES ARE PART OF THE CAMARILLA

>>53045678
Calm down kiddo. I mean that if he created the gargoyle before the Convention of Thorns, he can be let off the hook pretty easily. "Oh my apologies, this one was made before we joined the Camarilla, what a mistake" that's it. If a Prince has a grudge against him, sure he can use that as an excuse but if we're rules-lawyering, he would have done nothing wrong

>>53045786
Part of the Convention of Thorns literally made it so Gargoyles were all freed from the Tremere. So yes, he'd have done something wrong. He'd have violated the founding treaty of the Camarilla.

>>53045817
Freed, sure. That doesn't mean Gargoyle can't be "employed" by the Tremere. Technically.

>>53045839
Employed yes. Actively mind controlled? No. Straight violation of the accords.

>>53045868
So?

>>53045595
I think he's implying that the Russian government is run by a Neo-Soviet group behind the shadows in that world.

>>53045817
Shit I realized I was the retarded one, I forgot that the Gargoyle only escaped the chantry recently and not centuries ago. Ignore me

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>>53045868
I don't think you need to mind control them or anything.

>hey bro, you're a fucking gargoyle. walking masquerade violation waiting to happen and you can't hide as easily as nossies can. how about you work for us? guaranteed employment and pension. I mean, what choice what do you have?

>>53038933
W20 has nice art but it's a bit too furry for my taste. Also, the comic at the beginning is laughably silly.

A Nosferatu makes a deal with a Tzimisce master of Visccitude who promises that with eldritch secrets he can make the Nosferatu beautiful again (doesn't matter if he actually can.) What might the Tzimisce want out of the Nosferatu?

>>53045995
Information.

If a Defiler and a mortal both agree that the Defiler would use her angel form in front of him once per month to inspire the mortal on writing silly songs, is it a pact or a reaping?

Also, can a character have more Temporary Faith than Faith pool? Because I think that 3 is really low as a cap.

Also, a demon can only grant something by using his lores/apocalyptic powers or not? For example a Devil cannot make a crippled walk again, but most pacts take 1 faith point out of 2 "Because the demon needs it to fullfit the mortal wish", so this means that they can do some kind of miracle without having to use their lore/forms if it's done to fullfit a pact?

>>53045995
His childe/ghouls for further experiments
and then he will laugh when the Nossie dies horribly because you can't go against the curse

Planning a Demon the Fallen campaign. Everyone, including me, is completely new to the splat. Is there anything mechanically that I should be worried about, or something that new players to the setting might have trouble with?

>>53046097
>a demon can only grant something by using his lores/apocalyptic powers
Yes. Was rereading the book recently and it said that only lores. Of course he can also gift some inherent powers - like curing from all diseases and ailments (because demons don't have those), immunity to mind control, that sort of stuff

>>53046209
Then why 1 Faith point out of 2 goes wasted every day for the pact? It's just some kind of "Custom fees?"

>>53045950
What do you mean "too furry"? They haven't had wolf-headed bikini babes since after the first edition core. Everything since has been wolf-shaped rage-monsters killing people who go to the wrong place in the woods. Or possibly the wrong alleyway.

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what is this ad trying to convey

>>53047572
Its meant to convey that they are reusing art from the ST screen.

>>53047572
"Boy the 90's were something else weren't they"

I'm going to fuck the god machine.

>>53047572
This is what your average game of Mage should look like.

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So here are questions to the people who actually played WoD from the beginning (or almost the beginning):
>What was it like to see the metaplot develop?
>Whenever there was a change in lore with new editions did you retcon it in or did you present it as a change?
>Were you hype for the Final Nights/Apocalypse/Ascension/Time of Judgement?

>>53047572
Ascension was all kinds of whack

Masquerade be jealous

>>53046173
Nosferatu don't die if they use Vicissitude to turn human again. They just reverse back to their deformed state the first time the vampire goes to sleep. Painfully

I wonder when someone's going to point out to OPP that in their quest for inclusion, they've made the big illustration for the Boggan kith in C20 (that being the race of fairies who revolve around being servants and love nothing more than to serve) a black man.

>>53047714
An impossible dream, anon

>Beh Hunter
>Find Demon
>Offer your soul to the demon if he accepts to fuck off to hell for a coulple lifetimes
>Laugh as the Demon realises he can't take your soul, but he still must keep his part of the pact

Trolling all powerful beings has never been more fun

>>53047863
That sounds like pathetic quiter talk to me.

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>blocks your path

what do you do?

>>53047926
Tell her the LARPS over and she shjould've left twenty minutes ago or they'll lock her up in the park

>>53047926
I turn it into a lawn chair.

Oh this is real life?
I pick up a lawn chair and whack it.

>>53047845
They've also made the illustration for the one Kith based on African folklore, with arguably the strongest ethnic connections of them, a white dude.

Honestly, the book is surprisingly good on the SJW front. Which is pretty amazing, given how flamboyantly gay and hippie Changeling: The Dreaming always was.

>>53042860
>Fox News is on par with international revolts and Greek bankruptcy

*tips READY FOR HILARY cap*

>>53047926
Spend a willpower and roll Stamina + Benediction to activate the Armor of St. Martin.

>>53047926
I play my Poké-flute.

Alright, I have a setting question for mage. Let's say there's a group of hunters, primarily from the knights of saint george, are trying to kill a Tetrarch. How are the mages from the pentecle in the area likely to react?
My thoughts are that they're going to sit by and let what happens happen, but I could also see them getting worried about the hunters screwing something up super bad and trying to stop them, or even lending indirect aid. Is there any canon answer to this or is it mostly up to me decide?

>>53048072
I wouldn't be surprised if Brucatto actually thinks Fox News it run by evil wizards.

>>53048408
>Tetrarch
Given that the books imply Mages would team up with Banishers against the Seers, I don't think they'd lend a lick of aid to them. They might help the hunters, though a smart mage wouldn't let them find out about it.

>>53048408
Bad idea for the hunters. They are going to get thoroughly annihilated.
All Tetrarchs are considered powerful in their own right, and can singlehandedly slaughter hunters en masse.

>>53048515
OmniTV might be the equivalent of Fox in WoD.

>>53048408
>trying to assassinate a paranoid political savvy seer with a lack for morality

You're effectively committing suicide by Mage.

How many hunters would it take to reliably combat a Master?

>>53048548
About what I thought
>>53048548
>>53048552
Wait, I thought ministers were the super powerful head the the world guides, and tetrachs were just like gnosis 4-5 uber bosses of a city/region. Well whichever level that is, a pylon?
>>53048638
Which tier of hunters?

>>53048638
Even the strongest hunter won't match a Master.

They just can't. We're talking about wizards here.

>>53048408
>How are the mages from the pentecle in the area likely to react?
With incredulity, and otherwise staying the fuck out of it. Unless the Hierach is ballsy and the Seers are in a vulnerable position (meaning he has a chance to get them the fuck out of his Consilium) don't expect any active assistance.

>>53048638
One with access to all of the resources of a first-world military.

>>53048722
>and tetrachs were just like gnosis 4-5 uber bosses
There is no "just" about Gnosis 4-5

>>53048722
Tetrachs are all extremely powerful Mages, with some even being Archmages. Very dangerous, and not just because of their power with magic. To rise up in the Seers you have to be ruthless and cunning. So you're basically going up against an apex predator.

Masters are strong, but I'm not sure if they could handle a group of five moderately experienced hunters.

>>53049016
You haven't read Awakening, have you?

>>53048638
It depends on how psychopathic the hunters are. I mean they run the gamut from the type who would never directly engage the mage to begin with and try to take him out by killing his allies and setting people he's hurt against him up to the type who would just fill a van with explosives and ride it directly into his house during night.

>>53048072
Its crazy uncle Phil. Just humor him.

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>>53048722
Given the nature of Seer politics Tetrarchs and Ministers tend to be Mages of astonishing power. Some even have Ochemata 'bodyguards' from the exarch they serve. They're not a realistic target for a Hunter conspiracy hell they're beyond the scope of most end game PC cabals.

>>53042992
Why cant surfer girls join the Seers?

>>53048638
If you let Envy's Barb run as is it scews things a little. A hunter can roll presence + endowment, optionally taking bashing damage to add 2 dice, and if they beat a mages successes on a spell roll the spell gets undone. Given how spell casting changed between 1e and 2e, often lower level mages are going to intentionally make it so they succeed a spell roll by only 1 or 2 successes' so they can get as much out of the spell as possible by taking dice penalties.

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Werewolves and Mages, sitting in a tree!
K I S S I N G!

>>53048638
The weakest Template against the second strongest Template?

Yeaaahhhhhh

>>53049749
Please.

Do fuck off.

>>53049594
Also, going by RAW there's nothing stopping the endowment from countering imperial spells, even though I'm pretty sure that's not intended.

>>53049763
Mages second strongest? What's first then?

>>53049594
Don't Masters get crazy amounts of successes though?

>>53049802
Imperial Spells explicitly cannot be undone by anything other than another Imperial Spell, or similar abilities used by 6+ entities.

So no, you can't do any of that.

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>>53049808
>What's first then?
Archmages.

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>>53049788
First comes the knot!
Then comes marriage!
Then comes puppies in a baby carriage!

>>53049817
Masters can eventually garner Exceptional Successes on a whim, yes. They will one-shot you dead rather promptly.

>>53049817
Masters yes, I'm just talking about weird math things.
Like take a regular attack spell. In 1e you rolled as many dice as possible because damage was directly linked to your successes. In 2e you take as many penalties as you can to get the affects you want, and just roll as many dice as you think you need to get the spell to go off.
Since the endowment didn't receive any errata it changes how effective it can be by a lot.

>>53049859
You're delusional.

>>53049859
The knot had better not come first. I need to be satisfied.

>>53049895
It's safe to conclude 1e isn't compatible with 2e

>>53049936
I'm just sad because I know the knights of saint george aren't going to receive any new attention so I'm probably going to have to redo those endowments all by myself.

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>>53049928
it's a good thing for you werewolves are known for their stamina

>>53049914
you're in denial~

>>53049016
Masters will shit on anything, anon. The strongest hunters are fucked.

>>53050007
It's easy enough. Just change the roll to be against the spells potency, or maybe highest rated arcanum.

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For once these annoying white-room shit discussions are relevant to something that's coming up in my weekly Chronicle.

Forsaken Chronicle with a crossover antagonist: said antagonist being a Gnosis 6 Thyrsus Master Libertine hippy old hag.
>Life 5 Spirit 5 Space 3 Death 2 Forces 2 Time 1

Picture the crazy cat lady from The Simpsons but she grows marijuana and preaches peace and love, the irony being she hates the Uratha for reasons I will not disclose.

Any advice? My players are quite strong in their own right, but I don't know. They wanted a challenge.

>>53050231
Unmaking, ES, advanced target, delete 5 people per turn

>>53050231

>Life 5
>Spirit 5
>Werewolves

TPK immanent. All joking aside, pack tactics are going to be a must.

>>53050231
Your players are going to hate you.

>>53050231
That depends on a couple of factors. If she has several spirits bound to her either take those out first, try and free them, or get other spirits to do one of those for you. If shes just on her own then I'd just recommend regular heavy firearms from multiple sources. I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I don't think she can stop them from shifting to war form for one turn to instantly heal all non aggravated damage before turning back, so a regular battle of attrition might work.

>>53050318
who needs to do damage when unmaking just ends them. full stop

>>53050231
>Time 1
She will know of the ambush before it even happens
>Space 3
She will lock the whole Pack down with a wave of her hand
>Life 5
>Spirit 5
You're fucked

Is she the secret final boss or something?

>>53050318
Shifting into various forms isn't going to change much, not at all. She's a crowd control monster it seems.

>>53050231
The old witch is going to take it. Why not just smoke some pot with her instead? I know I would.

>>53050357
even just banning them and waiting for them to suffocate works

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Such a beauty

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>>53050433
but is she flexible? elastic?

>>53050333
If she beats the clash of wills, but with gnosis 6 thats probably going to happen
>>53050387
I didn't mean for combat, I meant to instantly regain all health. If they do a regular ass shootout somehow then its cheaper then spending essence to get health back.
>>53050231
It depends on her motives, but if shes just regular bat shit then they can go yell at the conselium to get their shit together.

>>53050474
Regaining health won't matter either. Unmaking kills you outright and Space 3 is enough to end the fight instantly.

>>53050474
You dont get a clash of wills vs unmaking, you get withstand, which you ignore with a ES

>>53050231
Beat her in initiative roll and do enough damage to kill her in one shot? How the fuck are we supposed to know, there isn't exactly a lot of detail there.

>>53050474
>assuming the consilium will even give a shit

>>53050554
she'll know they are coming via time 1, can easilly create a colocate zone and just reflexivey just not be there until she needs to melt them.

>>53050574
The wizard government kind of has a vested interest in making sure people don't commit wizard crimes and will often send wizard police after them yes.

>>53050554
She has Time 1. She is always going to get the first say. But she grows marijuana, so maybe she will be lazy.

>>53050591
>assuming the witch is the instigator
>not realizing the wizard government varies extraordinarily
>what is hubris

>>53050231
if they haven't killed off all their local spirit and werewolf rivals you're going to have to urge them in the direction of tricking the local pure and greater spirits into attacking her for them, bonus points to the player characters if the start a spirit court war or a war between two different packs of pure with the Unknotted in the middle.

otherwise suggest to your players to get really nasty powers and getting gud with the simultaneous sniper shot.

that or you make the Unknotted grossly incompetent and inept for their power level.

>>53050613
what makes you think spirits will do anything vs a spirit 5 master? they will send spirits at her and she will just make them her bitch and send them back at them?

>>53050626
Not even that, she can just Make her own spirit army.

>>53050611
>>assuming the witch is the instigator
I didn't, I was listing an option
>>53050474
>It depends on her motives, but if shes just regular bat shit
It does, but the book points out a few things that will get someone considered left handed. If shes fucking around with humans for no reason for instance thats going to piss people off.

>>53050591
A councilia isn't a government it's a legal system to minimize the fallout from people with loose morals and too much power.

co-locate with 2 reflexive moves = reflex turn up, cast delete werewolfs, reflex vanish, rinse repeat, the doggies arnt going anywhere via a ban anyways

Your group are just telling you they are done with werewolf and want it to end.

>>53050231
She's basically impossible to fight on fair terms. Even worse if it's on hers.

You're going to have to be really damn clever, which is an understatement because of the single dot in Time she has.

>>53050231
>They wanted a challenge

They wanted an impossibility.

>>53050668
I'm well aware. I was just suggesting that if the conflict is happening because the witch is doing something crazy and/or flagrantly corrupt then a convincing wolf could just gather evidence of her being crazy and/or flagrantly corrupt and let it take care of itself.

>>53050626
back at the spirit court/s that sent the army/s her way? the promise that they'll send more stronger spirits her way eventually. I also haven't read mage and was unaware that they could just turn spirits en mass without a clash of wills.

unless you mean send the spirit army back at the uratha, and the uratha in question being in command of the spirit court is not what I intend at all. if I were both the ST and every player character I'd schmooze up to two different spirit courts separately and push them in the direction of going to war against each other with the Unknotted in the middle, maybe lie to both sides that she's on the other side so they attack each other, and her. [that's all assuming that she either can't turn the spirits en mass or, is through ST discretion, too inept to pull it off which is a possibility considering her insanity]

>>53050231
>she hates the Uratha for reasons I will not disclose.
Figure out what those reasons are and convince her she's wrong.

>>53050357
>>53050585
>>53050594
Time 1 gives divination, but someone that strong probably doesn't bother using it every day to figure out if someone is going to attack them, figuring they don't have to worry. Rather I would expect she gets spirit servitors to act as guard dogs instead.
Plus if she's a stoner how smart can she be

>>53050842
also if the ST decides no she isn't stupid and can turn spirits en mass then the ST should push them in the direction of tricking two other packs of werewolves to kill her for them, the challenge being politicking and manipulation instead of being combat. sounds like she isn't quite powerful enough to kill more than 5 at a time per clash of wills and two or more packs going at it should be more than enough dpt to gank-an-unknotted

>>53050231
>Any advice?
>Second-Degree Master of Life and Spirit
>she hates the Uratha
Don't even fucking TRY.
Unless that bitch was entirely retarded, she'd wreck their entire Pack without breaking a sweat.

>>53050231
You realize that with Spirit 5 she has spirit rank 5 right? It would be like picking a fight with the spirit of Chicago. Except she's got even more tricks up her sleeve.

All this effort to take down an old lady.

Mages are fucked up.

>>53050958
They can get much much worse. We should white room a more interesting situation like a Demon who's gone loud and how'd you contain him until he calms the fuck down.

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>>53044360
>that one Malkavian

Leandro? Yeah that influence phase troll toll is the worst.

>>53050958
Masters are terrifying, anon.

>>53050958
They really are.

Reminder that crossovers work perfectly fine if you exclude Mage.

>>53050231
If you want to actually run crossover you need to house rule a few things. Namely I would get rid of the ability for an exceptional success on a spell casting roll to ignore withstand.
Also if you want to actually make such an encounter interesting I'd give a couple new gifts that the werewolves could obtain through hunting the right spirits/supernal entities/abyssal entities that help them fight against magic.

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>>53050958

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>>53051175

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>>53049493
>>53051175

>>53047788
I wasn't around since the begining or anything, but I kept track of hunter for the whole line. All the lines that weren't vampire, werewolf, or mage got kinda shafted because they had one chapter of end of the world stuff instead of a whole book. The hunter scenarios were just:
>Monsters go visible
>Scenario A: You fight in a straight up war
>Scenario B: You find some method of curing them, but only so many
>Scenario C: Humans start to see the supernatural, you lead them
They could all be kinda cool, but since this was one chapter of one book none of them really got expanded on.

>One guy starts with 2 dots of Vicissitude
>Everyone has 5 dots of appearance for free

>>53051489
Isn't teamwork grand?

>>53042926
I guess, the pentacle needs all the mages it can muster, afterall.

Plus I like to teach people.

>>53051494
I'm afraid that's less of a teamwork thing and more of a falling for Tzims dark influences thing.

>>53051175
This doesn't look like a real head, someone fucked up a magic or two creating this man

>>53051536
It's not a dark influence though, it's just physical change.

>>53051494
Yep, what else can you do to help the group? I bet it would be fun to play a group where everyone has Sanguinus

>>53051193
>>53051294
The exarchs are merciful gods submit to their will.

>>53051652
The exarchs are fucking losers and I will commit suicide first.

>>53051561
Depending on lore interpretation by subjecting yourself to such a treatment you're either getting infected with Vicissitude (virus) and will become one with The Tzimisce's blood-mass come Gehenna (that is, if you live that long) or are at the very least getting blood-bound to hell and back to the one that does your procedure. And getting blood bound is never good thing let alone to a Tzimisce.

>>53051689
Better you live a full life and die unafraid

It is the greatest flip off to the Psychopomp.

>>53051744
>Better you live a full life and die unafraid
Neither of those things are true with exarchs

Which VtM clan is the hard bdsm one again?

>>53051902
Most of them? I mean maybe except Gangrel, their forte is bestiality.

>>53051847
Slave to the Throne pls
No matter how much you wank about ochemata and archmasters, the Exarchs in an eternity of time haven't gotten rid of all opposition, deniers and rebels.
Some piss poor fucking God they turned out to be.

>>53051902
all of them and especially volgirre

>>53051918
The Exarchs don't need to do anything.

They already won. That's the entire point.
They let their lessers do their bullshit.

>>53051911
Well it's not like their bestiality is soft and gentle. Neither of these things is exclusive.

>>53051587
That's a hard one to hook up because you need to actually get a group of blood brothers to teach it to you.

>>53052314
Caitiff can have it too

>>53051902
All of them.

Sometimes I wish I was degenerate enough to get into the V:tM games with freaky sex shit.

>>53052410
>tfw you are degenerate enough and just don't know the right people

>>53045868
Yeah, such a shame nobody gives a shit about the accords

>diablerie is like the worst thing you can do
>but if you ate a Sabbat during the siege of new york then you're getting promoted!

There is nothing wrong with committing Diablerie

>>53051735
The Vicissitude virus only works on those who USE it, not those who are transformed by it

>>53051489
Isn't it mentioned that there's an uncanny valley effect about Vicissituded faces?

>>53052868
Not in the core book, also it's just like plastic surgery

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>>53042860
Breh...

>>53052314
No ST worth their salt is going to give it to you because Blood Brothers are artificially created like Gargoyles. Protean or even Serpentis I could see but Sanguinus? Naw, dog. Maybe... MAYBE in a Sabbat game where your character is the sole survivor of a blood brother pack who got picked up out of mercy.

And if you came to my table with that from a previous chronicle, I'd laugh you out of the room.

>>53052985
This shit makes me glad I wasn't an adult until the early fucking 2000s.

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>>53045678

>>53051918
That isn't what I meant. What I meant is that the exarchs are literally all about oppression and are also huge evil dickbags. That kinda seems to go against the whole full life and unafraid thing doesn't it?
>>53051964
I'm going to do a transfiguration level prime spell to make it impossible for ochremata to come earth. That will solve things.

>>53053934
But the underworld is also fundamentally broken. However the afterlife was supposed to work it's not working now. Accepting your mortality might be the wise choice but it's probably not the logical one.

>>53053934
You know, come to think of it that isn't such a bad idea. The number of ascended seers is supposedly way higher then anything else right? So really what would be lost by doing something like that?

>>53044602

VASCU and Cheiron guy are putting together a "suicide squad" type group of serial killers to deal with problems and those two got pinched.

BTW, to whoever it was who wondered if Changeling 20th still had therapists as antagonists? The answer is "yes, though they're specific SORTS of therapists; ones so broken themselves that they're literally unable to accept creativity and promulgate a diagnosis that most of the mainstream psychiatric community actually considers to be bullshit".

>>53049493

dude..duude.

join the seers, dude.

>>53050231
>Thyrsus
>Master
>Gnosis 6
>Life 5 Spirit 5 Space 3 Death 2 Forces 2 Time 1
vs
>Pack of Uratha

Why would you do this to your players?
Do you secretly hate werewolves?

>>53054277
He's the Dude, dude.

>>53054213

do changelings die if a technocrat licks them?

>>53054213

So Freudians, then?

>>53054335
From embarrassment, yes.

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>>53054346

>>53054335
No, but for fucks sake don't let one talk to you for an extended time.

Man remember back when it was beast everyone was complaining about being overpowered? Fun times.

>>53054097
It may very well be Seer propaganda. Due to the nature of ascension they may not ascend at all. It's impossible to tell.

>>53054482

Beast was, and is, overpowered (among many other flaws). However, the arguments mostly concerned how beasts were overpowered to most other splats, but usually not mages.

>>53054497
>It may very well be Seer propaganda

Who are you to question our wise and generous Exarch overlords?

>>53054502
I know. I guess I'm just wistful about the days when we could have a thread that wasn't at least 60% fighting over what mages can and can't do. Hell I'd almost rather have muh sjw shitposting then this. Almost.

>>53054213
So Changelings in oWoD are scientologists?

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>>53045426
>What fucking Garygoyle has a Tremere master in modern nights?
>>53045817
>Part of the Convention of Thorns literally made it so Gargoyles were all freed from the Tremere.

Officially, all gargoyles were "freed", yes.

Unofficially, Tremere are suspected to keep a few of the most powerful slaves up their sleeves as an ace in the hole, and not every Gargoyle ran away from the Chantries. Some Gargoyles chose to return to their masters because they were deeply loyal or too afraid of being independent; not every Tremere abused their servants after all, in fact the Gargoyles all but worship Virstania, the Tremere that invented the Gargoyle ritual, simply because she cared for the Gargoyles as her own childer.

While most Gargoyles decided they want nothing to do with the Tremere as *slaves*, many Gargoyles aren't above making deals with the Tremere. Tremere adore having the Gargoyles at their side because it's a sign of power and control, which isn't hindered by the fact that the Gargoyle is, technically, a free kindred in the modern nights.

But yes, while most of the OLDER Gargoyles, the ones who remembered the fires and magical curses of the Tremere, stay the fuck away from their old masters... the newer Gargoyles produced from the Embrace post-revolt aren't as picky, and will sometimes agree to serve as guardians and protectors in exchange for magic knowledge or blood.

>>53054518

One day in the distant future, OPP will release Deviant. As DaveB has noted that deviants are at the other end of the power scale as mages, either Dave will lose some of his splat supremacy luster, or the conversations may begin to change. OPP has also indicated that Crossover Chronicles is in the release pipeline. This too might alleviate some of mage shitposting.

>Deviant and Crossover Chronicles - coming soon - GenCon 2045

>>53054502
Beast is and overpowered splat, but not as much as people think. I would put it under Mage, Mummy & Demon.

Maybe even under Geist.

>>53054605
Would it be appropriate to rank Werewolf at six?

>>53054580
I'm not sure crossover is going to alleviate it much. It's probably going to be along the lines of 'if you run different supernatural types in the same game we recommend making these adjustments to bring them more in line' and then some hacks. Obviously this is going to involve bringing mages a bit lower. Some people are going to complain about that I'm sure, and on the other hand it's not going to stop the current arguments because those powers are still there.

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>>53040848
Hey CofD, got a question about Werewolf: the Forsaken 2e.

Are there any ranks or hierarchies in the tribes besides "Alpha" and "everyone else"?

>>53054539
Nah, scientologists are against EVERY form of psychiatry, not just quack psychiatry.

Also, another plus so far about C20? I've looked a good ways through this thing and have not encountered a preachy sidebar about gender identity or muh alternative progressive pronouns. There might be one buried in the Storytelling chapter though, I just skimmed that.

>>53055052
>Also, another plus so far about C20? I've looked a good ways through this thing and have not encountered a preachy sidebar about gender identity or muh alternative progressive pronouns. There might be one buried in the Storytelling chapter though, I just skimmed that.

Yeah, I'm seeing a definitive lack of those, which is always a BIG plus.In fact, the sidebars are actually full of *good* advice this time around.

It's not "DON'T ASSUME GENDERS, REEEEEEEEEEEE, LET'S SPEND A FEW PAGES TALKING ABOUT THAT SHIT", but rather "Hey, not everyone might be a fan of gore or sexual stuff, so always remember to talk to the players beforehand if you want to include that stuff!".

Heck, the only thing I've seen so far about gender-identity is this line on page 140:

"Changeling characters can be of any age, race, culture, and gender identity."

...And that's literally it, thank god. Changeling 20th already confirmed for being better than Mage 20th.

>>53055339
Yeah. It's basically that, and some bits in the Eshu writeup that mentions that they like to insert themselves into or start social justice rallies.

>>53055339
I'm just skimming but it seems pretty solid so far. Mostly steak with just enough sizzle.

So what the fuck happened this time around?

>>53055569
>So what the fuck happened this time around?

Well, it's still Changeling: the Dreaming; if you didn't like it before you probably aren't going to be TOO much won over (though pookas aren't QUITE as cutesy this time).

Also it's still the advance backer PDF so there's a fair number of layout goofs. None that make things utterly unreadable, but they're there.

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>>53050018
How fucking wrong is this picture?

>>53055646
>true fae above archmages
Well you see, Fate can totally fuck over the fae, but I'm not an expert on how they-
>caine at the top
Oh jeez.

>>53055646
You're just going to start it all over again.

The verdict was already clear as well; Caine gets turned into a lawn chair.

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>>53055646
1 million hours in ms paint

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>>53055696
>lol tryhard anon

It only takes six dots to kick Caine's ass.

>>53055730
I'm aware, you dumb frogposter.

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>unless your a archmage

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>>53055760
okay this is the first thing from the mages vs. vampires shitshow in a long time that has actually managed to make me laugh.

>>53042860

>And yet, cell phones and the Internet trivialize things too. When everything’s accessible, it all seems less special. By 2014,
many folks suffer from information overload, over-familiarity, and a circular obsession with online distractions. These
new technologies flatten social interactions as well. You can have friends in Greece yet never see the folks next door.
If you live in the industrialized world, you don’t need to be a dungeon troll in order to spend most of your life online. A
paradoxical sense of connected alienation seeps into many relationships, in which partners argue with strangers while
ignoring the person beside them. Self-centered outrage trumps social interaction. Sexism, racism, and all manner of social
grotesquerie pour from social media communities where bizarre forms of intimate sociopathy manifest as real-world
brutality and terroristic “pranks.” With the world at our fingertips, it seems to slip through our hands.

Fuck. Brucato is onto us.

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Question for WtFags. Do games of werewoof focus heavily on combat and that is like 2/3 of whole time spent or is there a place for research and investigation and other stuff?

I'm joining WtF game with my old VtR character but I don't know a lot how WtF plays and should I scrap him and start a new one.

>>53055838
Wow, he almost makes some decent points here.

But what the fuck is some preachy bullshit about social interaction doing in a game book about magic and super science? This is the stuff he prioritized over actual content? I'm glad I didn't spend money on this.

>>53055911
There's always been gold dust hidden in Brucato's verbal diarrhea. I don't know what he needs more a decent editor or a psychiatrist to titrate his meds.

>>53055871
Werewolf is more combat heavy than most other WoD games but there's still things like investigation and such (after all, a lot of times you need to FIND the thing you're hunting before you can eviscerate it) playing a solid role.

>>53055641
I like'm all to varying degrees. I like Changeling -less- than the other game lines but I still like it.

I mean, how was this not the shitshow that M20 and recent CroD offerings have been?

>>53055911
I can't give Brucato too much shit. Back in the day, he was a force to be reckoned with, he was putting book after book out the door, those books were well put together and still read well and he did this while being dyslexic.

But fuck, man. Take him to the park, run him around and let him lick your face and then give him all the sausage he can eat because it's time for that final trip to the vet.

>>53055937
>I mean, how was this not the shitshow that M20 and recent CroD offerings have been?

Who was the head developer for C20? Maybe they just don't have their heads jammed quite so far up their own asses.

>>53055948
The only developer credit listed is Matthew McFarland.

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>>53055971
Dafuq, isn't that the Beast dev? Maybe they just put him on a shitload of medicines then.

>>53055936
My vamp was into researching wyrm's nest(loci /caerns or what do uratha call them) so I think he will be solid for crossover game as he and others have some overlapping interests. Not sure if wolfs place such huge value on such places
My only issue is that he was never conceived as a fighter so he would fold like tissue paper when shit hits the fan

>>53055991
McFarland was also the guy behind Demon the Descent so he can put out quality if he wants to

>>53056015
Just as long as the other guys aren't playing fuzzies from, uh...whichever fucking tribe likes to hunt other supernaturals, it should be fine. Just stay the fuck away from the woofs when they pop Gauru, it ain't like Crinos from WtA where one still has his sanity in that form.

>>53056044
Didn't they drop ALWAYS ANGRY! ALL THE TIME! rule for Gauru in second edition? I might be mistaken thou

>>53056056
Yeah there is a Gift that allows it to be a *bit* less KILLFRENZY than normally, and there's a GM option to make that the default state of Gauru. I'd ask the ST if he's using that or not, and note that even with that on, it's still not that hard to go INTO full murder mode.

>>53056076
Yeah I'm already prepered to leg it as soon as everyone starts growing fur.

>>53056093
You might want to grab Celerity higher than 1 at earliest convenience.

>>53056117
Ech it was higher but I replaced it with Coils of Ascendants so I can be up and running whole day and whole night and avoid downtime when necessary

>>53055934
>I don't know what he needs more a decent editor or a psychiatrist to titrate his meds
I'd say each one on their own wouldn't do him much good, but together they might whip him into decent shape.

Celerity can dodge bullets. That's exceeding 1800 mph.

So why can't I run like the Flash?

>>53056131
Fair enough. But yeah. The more stuff you can have to not get nailed in combat, the better, even if you're not an especially combat-y lick.

Speaking of, if the werewolves aren't squicked out too much by your dietary needs, try and stay as well fed as your Humanity level can tolerate. When shit hits the fan you can probably expect to need to burn a lot of blood, plus "in the presence of a werewolf pack" is proooobably the worst possible place period to have your Beast chimp out on you.

>>53056207
Isn't Celerity only used in short bursts?

>>53056243
It is, though I think I've seen elder-level Celerity powers that let you do Flash running...somewhere.

>>53056207
>>53056243
>>53056261
>lol speed blitzers

What are sonic vampires going to do when they run up against an Obrimos laced with Forces contingencies :^)

>>53056212
With 1 dot in celerity and 1 in obfuscate I can still dart for cover faster then most will react and unless someone is specifically looking for me most assailants will ignore me but yeah.

Dietary needs are good for additional motivation. Wolfs can drop gallons of delicious blood on vamp without adverse effects for themselves but same delicious blood can cause vamp to frenzy so I would say mitigating that effect would be something ordo dracul member would probably like to put some work into.

Anyone have a pdf of Rio?

>>53056276

>stereotypical magefag
>can't conceive of any other scenario but white-room
>practically autistic

>>53056301
If it has fangs and drinks blood it can be turned into a lawn chair

>>53056261
In VtR 3 dots in celerity allow you to run at around 65 mph. Considering you accelerate to that from standing still this isn't bad.

>>53056367
And that's basically highway speed at that, so yeah.

Pfft, it's also slightly faster than Doomguy runs around.

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>>53040848
How strong were the Harbingers of Skull?
If I remember correctly, they have lived in the Umbra for millenia and they ate wraiths (and each other).
So how that affected their generation?

Also let's discuss other weird bloodlines and sects.

>>53056421
Here's a weird one for ya.

Anybody here ever play one of the Laibon?

>>53056367
But dodging bullets is exceeding 1800 mph, so that doesn't make any sense.

>>53056608
You hit max speed as soon as you move, right? So that's like some anime tier flash step, and it's pretty fucking hard to hit a target moving so fast.

>>53056622
I mean 65 mph seems impossible if you can dodge bullets. You should be running at like 2000~ mph.

>>53056608
Don't know about vtm but in vtr celerity does not allow you to dodge bullets without being combined with auspex(it still substracts from attackers firearms pool).

However it makes sense that vamp can jerk his head to the side to avoid a bullet faster then he can move his whole body to run.

>>53056656
That's still effectively exceeding 1800 mph though.

Any good starting scenarios for a new GM in Mage The Awakening?

>>53056732
Hmm haunted house maybe with some strange phenomenon instead of ghosts. This could latter escalate with said phenomenon popping up around the city and players following its trail

>>53056732
A pizzeria run by Lebanese Mekhet.

Have fun.

>>53056732
I'm always a fan of a mysterious spate of kidnappings/diappearances/events.

Tied together by the presence of High Speech Runes.

>>53056800
>This pizza recipe was passed down through generations of mekhet clan!
>Mage didn't have mind to protect himself
>Orders 40 pizzas

>>53056824
Alternatively
>filthy Lebanese put anchovies on pizza
>explicitly reminded not to
>mage proceeds to turn them into lawn chairs
>furniture shop replaces pizzeria

>>53056872
>Seers of the Throne barge in
>Brainwash the mage into enjoying anchovies
>His cabal mates have to put him out of the misery

Is "turn it into a lawnchair" the answer to every mage problem?

>>53056914

Quite so

>>53056914
I stubbed my toe on a lawn chair once.
I turned it into a lawn chair as revenge.

Ingenious if I do say so myself.

>>53040848

I've played Wraith, and it's REALLY clunky in practice. Also, PCs are notably weak by WoD standards.

Go on, try fighting Spectres or affecting a mortal with a starting PC. They will fuck your shit up. Also, all the really useful Arcanoi (except Usury) are generally useless on mortals at starting levels.

>>53056995
This sounds kinda bad. I hate when my character can't be at least competent at something from the start

>>53056995
I always thought in wraith at low levels you spend most of the time in stygia and only come across skinland folks if they summon you or venture to the shadowlands. To me the game seems like a better version of your traditional dungeon crawl rpgs with options to do some really amazing stuff that's not possible in roguelikes.

>>53057022
>>53056995
I don't know about stuff at all, but I have a feeling a low level wraith game would be so damn cool for people who are not too familiar with owod lore.
Like first you make your regular human person, then some shit goes down and you die and have to accommodate to surroundings and people that have been there like that for a loong time. What would you think when you heard from someone that in this place you have a chance of superslavery. They make furniture out of people with bad luck you know.

I'd see many possibilities for paranoia -themed games.

>>53057022

It's because you're DEAD. You're dead and gone, boy. Affecting mortals is really, really hard.

>>53057025

Yes, but the PCs are all very fragile. I'll point out - Arcanoi are not really superpowers. They're essential to life in the Underworld. Early on, the PCs will be constantly short of Pathos, and fights are extremely lethal in general.

Like, vampires and mages are a step above human, right? But you are an average dead guy. You are not made for fighting horrors from beyond the grave.

A lot of Wraith is about brooding. You have to hang around mortals a lot, to passively leech Pathos. Basically, you haunt people to get MP, and it can have diminishing returns.

>>53057065

It's very cool and very atmospheric. But it's also not exactly fun. The campaign started with our PCs being killed in a terror attack, then waking up in the Shadowlands.

They could see the killers, but they couldn't affect them at all. Absolutely nothing they could do could touch them. Then the Reapers showed up, and it was run or be enslaved.

What's the general opinion on Zak. S?

Apparently him being hired caused a lot of butthurt, especially with Dave Hill, and I'm wondering if he's just as big a wanker or not.

>>53057081

To use a metaphor, knowing Correspondence in Mage is a bit like being like Neo. In Wraith, knowing Argos is like knowing how to drive a car.

>>53057120
Zak likes to suck penis

>>53057120
Zak reminds me of those pretentious vampfags stuck in the 90s.

>>53057136
I know a guy that refused to join my game of VtR because
>muh brujah

If Zak S. acts like this we will be begging for Hills return soon

>>53057065

You're right, but I'll add that there's a focus on melee combat too.

See, guns need soulfire crystals to work. BUT they also need bullets. And bullets are really hard to come by. Unusually, Wraith's 'magic items' are extremely rare, so that's another problem too.

Interestingly, Orpheus made wraiths REALLY powerful. Like, frighteningly so. A starting Orpheus character is a combat monster as a ghost, particularly the Skinriders.

>>53056914
For a second-degree Adept?
Could well be.

>>53056995
>Also, PCs are notably weak by WoD standards.

You're not really supposed to be fighting in Wraith, from what I remember. ...You're not really supposed to be doing much of anything except being miserable about being dead and keeping your profile low so you don't get snatched up for the soulforges.

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>>53057136
I'm stuck in the nineties so hard, I'm pretentious, wear stiletto shoes (pic is almost identical, mine are more pointy) and even play vtes. But come drink with me and risk losing your liver. Take speed with me and your heart will go.

song very much related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuezNswtRfo

>>53057285
Oh also I've been back combing my hair since 93. Oh only 2 hours and my guy will bring me some vitamin-a. Then it's dancedancedance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evu3I0ZoERc

FUCKING NINETIES COME BACK

>>53057367
I can almost hear the screeching millennials in the distance from here.

>>53057367
WE DON'T NEED THE NINETIES BACK, YOU TURD FERGUSON

>>53057285
wow you got Sonic's shoes
sort of want

by the way: Dark Eras is out and I kinda want it
pdf when?

Kitsch party thread? Let's get wasted. I'm having my first pint of vodka. In ~45min I'll have another. Today is a marvelous day guys!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht9Ezvi_ffg

>the nineties

kek
your time is up

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>>53057395
You'd want to see my leather jacket. It's almost as cool as pic related. I don't have my pilot glasses anymore, since I went and sat on them. I could be a sexy death god, but not until new glasses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTiKaMzsBQs

>>53057430
>the pretentious 90s vampfagger is also the cardposter

DIE

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>>53057413
Come drink with me and die of the alcohol poisoning your 16 year old body can't take. I won't offer you speed as giving stims to an underage would be weird.

>>53056652
>>53056672
Where are you getting this 2000 mph shit from? Because it's how fast a bullet travels?

Newsflash, bullets don't chase you. You only have to move faster than the guy trying to shoot you.

>>53057465
Words cannot express how much I hate you right now

>>53057487
>what is mythbusters

Literally can't be done even standing 10 fet

>>53057492
When you give in to the hate, they win.

>>53057454
But isn't the jacket in the card awesome? I got into wod via vtes. Before that I always thought rp people were kind of nasty. So you should be thankful for a ccg for bringing more normal people to the fold. I got into vtes because the designs on the cards are so fucking awesome.

Oh also I'm more partial to mage and wraith. Changeling the lost seems also cool, but I'm not familiar at all with nwod stuff. I have only once played a vamp char. It was in a crossover game. Haven't been playing really since 2010. Only vtes. Dancing is more fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEsy_pgDc_4

>>53057487
The average bullet
>2,500 per second
>1,700 miles per second

Yeah, you move really fast when using Celerity if you can dodge that. Running at 65 mph just doesn't add up, sorry.

>>53057521
>But isn't the jacket in the card awesome?
Yes, it's awesome. I concede!

>Oh also I'm more partial to mage and wraith
At least you have good taste

>>53057505
I win every time. I don't care about him. I already won a bit over an hour ago, when my chemist told me today is a good day. Money, laughs, swirling moves and dewy blossoms will be had.

>>53057500
Call me when they do an episode with a superhuman being running upwards of 100 mph and isn't stupid enough to wait until the bullet has been fired to start moving. And when they start moving they're already at their insane top speed, effectively making them disappear at first glance because they've moved ~100 feet in just one second, if I did my math right using the example of 65 mph.

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>>53057505
Wrong anon. Hatred makes you powerful.

>>53057526
Again, you aren't trying to outrun the bullet and you don't have to wait until it's fired to move.

>>53057554
Celerity doesn't work on attacks they can't foresee, buddy. You're basically arguing against the speed of a human finger pressing down on the gun's trigger.

If they dodge a bullet as soon as its fired, they're effectively exceeding 1800~ mph.
This isn't hard to comprehend.

>>53057596

>>53057585
I'm not saying that Celerity will allow you to dodge all bullets without fail. Obviously when you get ambushed you're fucking ambushed. What I'm arguing is that if you're moving at the speed of a car on the highway at the drop of a dime you'll probably be a bit harder to hit. That also isn't hard to comprehend.

>>53057629
Nice twist.
But if a vampires knows when a bullet is coming and Celerity (with Auspex) allows him/her to evade it, he/she is effectively exceeding 1800~ mph.

That's my entire point.
Perhaps Celerity works in short bursts and decreases exponentially, given the basis for the speed of bullet evasion and the running speed of 65 mph.