MtG $$$$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$$$ MODERN GENERAL

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>>53017663
>>Playing?
BW E&T

>>Brewing?
just jamming lots of games with E&T

>>Metagame thoughts?
modern rewards experience over deck selection.

Stormfag here, what would a good sideboard for a typical RU Gifts Storm deck look like? I'm kinda having trouble deciding.

>>53017663
>Modern
>Competitive
Maybe when Tron is banned and real decks can be played instead of aggrocomboshit.

I play skred

rate or h8

its generic

// 60 Maindeck
// 10 Artifact
1 Pyrite Spellbomb
4 Relic of Progenitus
4 Mind Stone
1 Batterskull

// 8 Creature
2 Eternal Scourge
3 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
3 Goblin Dark-Dwellers

// 3 Enchantment
3 Blood Moon

// 9 Instant
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Skred
1 Magma Jet

// 22 Land
2 Scrying Sheets
20 Snow-Covered Mountain

// 7 Planeswalker
2 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
4 Koth of the Hammer
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker

// 1 Sorcery
1 Anger of the Gods


// 14 Sideboard
// 5 Artifact
SB: 4 Dragon's Claw
SB: 1 Grafdigger's Cage

// 3 Instant
SB: 2 Ricochet Trap
SB: 1 Word of Seizing

// 6 Sorcery
SB: 2 Shattering Spree
SB: 3 Molten Rain
SB: 1 Anger of the Gods

>>53018043
t. salty Jund player

Midrange was a mistake. God bless Tron for keeping that shit out of the format.

>>53018096
Why isn't Boros Reckoner played in Skred anymore?

>>53018199
Trying to play reckoner with mind stone and/or scrying sheets really sucks on turn 3.

You can still run it, its just a bit less smooth in this version.

>>53018217
I see, I just don't really understand Skred without Reckoner.

>>53018231
You just hold the skred for enemy threats.

Koth, Pia & Kiran and any mix of Sarkan/Batterskull/Dark dwellers do the work.

Eternal scourge is just great multi-use fodder. Usually get 2 or 3 casts of him.

Chandra is really good and I want to try her out in a Reckoner version because she can sort of mana fix.

Why do we even need to separate "competitive" from everything else? Not like adding kitchen table shit will make the threads any less dead.

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r8 my bug pls

trying no bauble
wanting bauble
what do

>>53018269
Because the fact that some people still enjoy playing the game drive some Modernfags mad

>>53018297
>pileofgoodstuff.dec
Play a more interesting deck

>>53018323
>MtG $$$$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$$$ MODERN GENERAL
>(Competitive Discussion)
>Play a more interesting deck
hmmm

>>53017942
what do you have so far?

mine looks something like this

1 shatterstorm
1 shattering spree
2 empty the warrens
2 blood moon
3 lightning bolt
2 anger of the gods
2 dispel
2 echoing truth

So in terms of colour powerlevel in Modern, G>B>R>W>U ?

>>53018365
What's your point?
There is competitive interesting decks
>Lantern Control
>Affinity (to a lesser extent)
>Tron
>Burn
>Ad Nauseam
>Skred

>>53018386
>Affinity (to a lesser extent)
>Tron
>interesting

>>53018400
>I don't know what interesting means
I'm not talking about the piloting part, I'm talking about the deck tech at the very start
Basically, a pile of good cards without any creative gameplan, except "play the cards that come until I win" is uninteresting
Even if Tron is peas easy to pilot, it has a different gameplan

>>53018323
i know it's just another midrange goodstuffs but sultai is underdoge so that's interesting enough. it's got some fun aspects to it imho.
>>53018365
the $$$$$ general stuff is lame imo

>>53018383
Nah black is the best. Green's best turn 1 plays are mana dorks, unless you count cards for 90% colorless decks, which don't go well in the same deck as their best 2 mana card, goyf, and the best green 3 drop is probably finks.
Comparatively black has 3 great 1 cost cards, a few decent 2 drops and the best 3 drops.

>>53018269
I think the problem with kitchentable is that there isn't a constant powerlevel that you can judge the deck in like there is with competitive modern or legacy or vintage or whatever.

If your FNM scene is filled with Craw Wurm.decs then your fucking Ouphe tribal or 5 color aggro deck is amazing but if it's a real meta then it's not and then you got the 5 million cases in between those 2 extremes. If you tell the Kitsune tribal dude to put in paths, vials and a proper manabase then the result could be he dominates his kitchentable, friend cycle leading to bad feelings all around. There is no context.

>>53018400
>Affinity
>Not interesting

Math is hard, huh?

>>53018043
>he can't beat tron
Lol just play more lightning bolts you fucking baby

>>53018386
>Affinity
>Ad Nauseum
>Burn
>Interesting

Jesus Christ modern players are so fucking delusional. There are standard decks more interesting the brain-dead garbage some of you people play.

Is Esper Control close to being a playable deck? It seems like it's okay in the meta atm but I was looking for people's thoughts.

>>53019734
UW control is better at this point

>>53019741
Would it be worthwhile to play UW control with a black splash for Fatal Push?

>>53019672
t. Someone that can't read a postchain

>B-b-ban Tron guys it's ruining the format and I can't play fun stuff.

>ensnaring bridge and blood moon are fucking broken waaah!

>modern is too expensive, you guys are retarded paying for cardboard. I'm clearly the more intellegent anime board user.

>legacy is so much better than modern, you shouldn't even be discussing modern in a modern general. Legacy 4 lyfe.

>my kithkin deck, Dawg.

Shit posts as side. What are some sideboard cards you think are underplayed? I've been impressed with torpor orb in quite a few match ups (my meta has coco, saheeli, and Valakut)

>>53019763
lots of colorless enablers (either 0 drops or named lands) and payoffs is not an interesting nor creative gameplan

>>53019763
Oh so you're sticking with the made up definition of interesting that means boring decks for retards to pilot?
I see.

>>53019770
I'm pretty sure Torpor orb is highly meta dependant considering it doesn't do much against death's shadow or tron

>>53019785
>Still can't read
How are you even able to write sentences?

>>53019779
>lots of colorless enablers (either 0 drops or named lands) and payoffs is not an interesting nor creative gameplan
Hence the
>To a lesser extent
It's less imaginative than Lantern Control but still much more interesting than Jund goodstuff

>>53019832
I think you're just having some serious trouble understanding what words mean, if you can't seem to comprehend anything I've written or the definition of simple words...

>>53019857
Or you know, maybe "interesting" is a subjective adjective.

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finally picked up the final pieces to lantern control

>>53019889
Ahhahahahaha the weakest fallback of all, "wahhh everything is subjective so I can find anything I want interesting."
Okay dude.
>Vomit your hand on turn 1 and turn everything sideways until someone loses
Fascinating
>Lightning Bolt Tribal
I can see the variance at work
>Play these two cards at the same time. You win if you do, you lose if you don't.
Real thought provoking stuff.


Although I guess in this subjective universe your mind is contentedly wrapped up in their mysterious complexities

>>53019672
>Affinity and Ad Nauseam
>Not interesting

I bet you're the kind of disgusting, mouthbreathing filth that plays braindead GBx midrange and thinks highly of himself because "it requires a lot of skill".

>>53019770
Ceremonious Rejection is super slept on.

I started at 1 and I'm all the way up to 3 in my board, though I'm likely to trim back to 2 for a third Surgical (Dredge heavy meta)

>>53019933
>Talks about piloting when the discussion at the start was about the deck tech
>Accuses other of not being able to read
I never said once that they were not boring to pilot/play against

>>53017663
>Playing

Will play my Zoo when I grab the remaining fetches and shocks.

>Brewing
Seriously considering jamming some 50 bucks budget decks like Mono-Black Control, 8Rack, maybe 8whack Goblins.

>Metagame
I dunno man I'm coming back to Magic after an hiatus, lost as shit.

Who here plays their deck not because its enjoyable but because it wins?

>>53020155
If everyone did that bgx would be the only deck.

>>53020155
Sounds like shit, bet you've never even cast a turn 2 emrakul

>>53020165
BGx doesnt win, it goes 2-2 after getting paired against Tron.

>>53020213
Bgx has the best win percentages across the board. There's no denying this.

>>53020279
I know I just like to meme about Tron giving them all their losses. Feels like Burns got a great win rate save for when its topdecking lands.

>>53018297
invocations still aren't tournament legal due to a technicality/10

>>53020477
Do you have a link to the mothership saying that the Invocations are not tournament legal yet?
Because they ARE legal as of the 28th
>But muh black borders
They have those.

>>53018043
Tron would be fine if WotC would actually print good land destruction (and to a much lesser extent, good planeswalker removal).

Right now tron is a "protected" combo deck. There are no good removal options for its combo pieces. Tron is basically babby's first combo deck because of the stupidity of Wizard's policies.

>>53020073
Hope you like Urza's Tower and Death's Shadow

>>53020627
Can we just get From the Ashes please

What is your opinion on Leyline of Sanctity in UW right now?

>>53020684
>3R: Target Tron player loses the game.
It would be a bit too powerful
Can Tron win with only one Ugin/Karn/Ulamog for the remainder of the game?

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>>53020735
?

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>tapping out turn 2
big mistake

Is crucible of worlds worth the price tag? I can get 2017 goyfs for the same price.

>>53020792
it depends on what deck your playing. Are you playing a control deck that wants to replay ghost quarter every turn or are you playing an actual deck?

>>53020792
If you play Legacy or Vintage where it's actually played sure.

>>53020735
Tron is retarded so they deserve it

>>53020768
The lands From the Ashes gets are untapped so you can take them off mana and still put down a threat to fight whatever big thing they just played.

>>53020768
Oh, right.
I feel like From the Ashes is a harder since Tron only has 1 basic land
>From the Ashes
>Tron loses at least 3 Tron pieces and maybe one "bicolor" land and keep a Forest
>Back to turn 1 while the opponent is on turn 4

>Crumble to Dust
>Tron player loses all of their Towers but still has 2-3 lands on the battlefield
>Back to turn 3 while the opponent is on turn 4

>>53020852
Yeah i agree that From the Ashes would hurt tron way harder once tron is online.

>>53020863
If you are able to cast From the Ashes before Tron is online, the Tron player deserves to lose anyway

>>53020890
>turn 1 mountain
>exile 3 SSG from hand
GG, tron players.

>>53020961
>Still have 2-3 cards in hand
Here is how you do it
>Turn 1 Swamp
>One with nothing

>>53017911
>modern rewards experience over deck selection.

I would disagree. Modern has a greater capacity for rogue decks to shine because it lacks powerful catch all answers (compared to other formats). You can easily run into a deck that you're not specced to fight and that makes experience pointless. There will be good match ups and bad match ups, but there will also be left field match ups that just catch you with your pants down. When getting ganked by blue black mill is a possibility it's hard to say experience matters.

>>53021137
I think with all magic, it's a mixture of both (especially in modern). You have to be able to analyze the field and predict what will be good in a given meta and choose your deck accordingly, but you also need the experience and skill with that deck to pilot games effectively.

I think Modern rewards players that choose and tune a couple different decks and can pilot those decks very well.

>no combo players at my LGS
>most of the black decks run infinite obliteration or lost legacy
Will I ever be able to run elves? What other wincon could I play besides ezuri?

>>53021376
Craterhoof? Splash black for Shaman of thr Pack? Don't play Elves?

>>53020073
>>Will play my Zoo when I grab the remaining fetches and shocks.
Didn't you start with the fetches and shocks? I thought it was common knowledge to start with the manabase.

>>53021376
You can play that janky cloudstone curio/evolutionary leap combo. Or like others have mentioned shaman of the pack.

>>53021597
The creatures were cheap so I grabbed them.

Still, no regrets, I got all the R/G Fetches, almost all G/W fetches, and all the GW Shocks. Just need muh stomping grounds and I'll be good to go.

>>53021376
Nigga elves have like 5 possible wincons, what are you smoking?

>>53019770
Grafdiggers cage.

Stop storm at all costs.

>>53020779
T R I G G E R E D

>>53020779
He can't really bluff since your best play is to run cat out regardless.

>>53020779
>playing BGx without packing T1 discard

Abzan is a joke.

>>53021926
Mono green has next to nothing besides ezuri and praying you ramp hard enough for craterhoof

>>53018563

This is a great post. This is why I like the modern competitive meta game, and by extension "netdeckers". It provides a standard of the decks-to-beat and you know what power level you have to build at.

I had that same struggle with my kitchen table friends; we started off building out of our collection and buying packs. Then as we got a little older, we realized we could enable really gross shit with stuff like Dark Ritual which is a really cheap single. Once you start brewing with singles, the only barrier to stronger decks is price point, and the games are over quicker.

I remember when my buddy said that combo wins turned him away from magic. That was about 5 years ago now, and I pretty religiously follow the metagame and brew semi-competitively, but my old kitchen table friends just never got in to playing with good cards.

>>53019931
>not getting stronghold bridges
Poor form anon. Worse than getting MM Karns

>>53022885
Why the fuck would go monogreen to begin with? There is virtually no upside to staying in 1 color.

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>>53023222
>What?!!
>Someone would actually play anything other than three-color good stuff?
>Impossible!

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>>53023269
Are you retarded or pretending to be? If BM hurts you as a 2 color deck then you are a retard and if you bring in BM against a 2 color deck then your IQ is in the double digits.

>>53021363
>I think Modern rewards players that choose and tune a couple different decks and can pilot those decks very well.

No, it rewards knowing the basics of how to play plus seeing good matchups/donkey players.

There are way too fucking many 80/20 matchups in this shit format.

>>53023393
Fuck off with your shitty deck then. Just because you're bad doesn't make your asinine statements correct

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>>53018386
>tron
>interesting

>>53019770
>Shit posts as side
man great posts like this are a diamond dozen

>>53020961
more like
>turn 1 mountain
>exile 3 SSG from hand
>realize you went first and they don't even have any lands out yet
>call the tron player a faggot and just leave
all about establishing dominance

>>53018096
i play skred too
i dont really like batterskull

run combustible gearhulk instead

>>53024156
Terrible advice

>>53024166
i run a reckoner list and i mill people for 20 all the time
two blasphemous act and anger of the gods, really easy win and its ffree

>>53024230
You disgrace Skred. Reckoners are fine but you're just memeing too hard

>>53020735
Seems fair to me.

>>53019734
UW is more popular but I think it's around the same power level as Esper. Esper is stronger against other fair decks but it doesn't have maindeck Tron/Valakut hate so it has to rely on sideboard cards (Extirpate and Runed Halo, respectively) to really lock down those MUs.

What version were you thinking of building? White Grixis, Esper Trascendant or full Draw-Go?

>>53024275
i also run insult//injury and on turn 5 i insult and skred my own reckoner for the win (it pumps it to 20)

>>53024358
Pls stop

>>53024368
i used to run shrine of burning rage

>>53024368
oh, i also 1-of karn

>>53018043
I play U/W control. Tron is a bad matchup for me. But it's ok, because you aren't supposed to have a good matchup against everyone. Why are people always so fucking salty and huge pussies about everything?

>>53018297
Seems good, but the lone bitterblossom sticks out. Also which invocation is that? I can't tell.

>>53024559
he can't tell either

>>53024559
I think the bitter blossom is for delirium and that card is Maelstrom pulse.

I wanna build Skred as my next Modern deck, but I'm not sure if I should use regular Koth or Angry Duel Deck Koth

anyone have the modern version of the brain meme?

>>53025436
Brain meme doesn't work anymore because WotC changed how split cards work.

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Merfolk seems to do best in the green variant with collected company, I'm one for the "unban everything" but this card needs to go.

>>53025446
no i mean the literal brain meme. the brain growing bigger meme

>>53025480
Oh fuck that one, the "Wokeness levels of modern." Shit I have that on my phone let me go get it

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>>53025480

>>53025393
Original is always the answer.

>>53025566
>Tron is a control deck
Always fucking gets me

>>53020852
>>53020863
>>53020890
This is all just hypothetical though; from the ashes isn't legal in this format.

>>53025464
Fuck off retard

>>53025566
thanks bud. appriciated

>>53019770
Nobody has said anything about bridge and moon? You do know that only retards hold the ban 8th and 9th opinion right?

>>53025743
>t. tumblr

>>53023094
Honestly people who don't shell out the extra couple of dollars are disgusting. Literally everything about the 8th version is worse.

>>53025889
>t. Illiterate mongoloid

>>53025912
TCGplayer actually lists the stronghold version for 50 cents less than the 8th edition one.
Its the 7th edition version that is cheap as shit.

>>53025922
>"""triggered"""

>>53026054
same art on 8th and 7th though. Then there's also no reason not to get stronghold

>>53025848
>You do know that only retards hold the ban 8th and 9th opinion right?
1-2 years this meme was on the rage but I hardly see it anymore. Either retards fucked off the format or they discovered that there exist cards that destroy artifacts.

>>53026087
This level of baseless shitposting should be ban worthy

>>53023428
>Fuck off with your shitty deck then. Just because you're bad doesn't make your asinine statements correct

I play shadow and I have something like an 80% winrate with it.

Eat shit retard with your braindead fucking stupid format.

>>53026202
You're the one playing a format you hate. Stay mad

>>53026186
Agree these posts

>>53026186
>>53025922
>>53025743

Should be removed asap

>>53026217
>waaaaaah if you don't think the format is perfect right now why do you play it
Why do these retards infest this general now? It's not like criticising modern is a personal attack on you (unless you're a truly braindead modern player who can't into other formats I guess).

>>53026272
There is a difference between criticism and angry screeching

>>53026272
>Eat shit retard with your braindead fucking stupid format.
Hehe just a suggestion :3

>>53026284
Well it seems like the guy's point was
>There are way too fucking many 80/20 matchups in this shit format.
Is that really autistic screeching?
Why get so defensive? Is Modern really that big a part of your personal identity?

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>>53026323
>the format isn't braindead

How do I fetch a shock and thoughtseize, hurrr really makes you think

>>53026457
(You)

>>53026457
I think it says more about you or anyone else if you think any format is difficult. Unless you have a learning disability, mtg is very easy

>>53026528
>What is Vintage, Legacy, and Limited
Granted there are decks for morons in every format (hi burn players).

Why did a deck as bad as UW Control jump straight to tier 1? Is it just a straight answer to Affinity and Death's Shadow?

>>53026600
UW's removal package (4 Path + X Condemn, 4 Verdict, SB Blessed Alliance) stacks up against the current aggro decks. It's a control deck, so it goes over the top of other fair decks, and it has Spreading Seas and Ghost Quarter to beat Tron and Valakut. White sideboard cards are handy, too. I'd rather play Esper, though.

>>53026795
>and it has Spreading Seas and Ghost Quarter to beat Tron and Valakut
Haha yeah good luck with that.

>>53024559
BB just to have every cardtype possible for delirium/goyfs, and it's not the worst thing to cast

Maelstrom Pulse

Is there any way I could squeeze a Never//Return or an Ashiok in here?

>>53026815
I imagine it must work sometimes, otherwise these winning decks wouldn't bother with those cards.

>>53017663
>playing
G/W Tron, 8 Rack, R/U Prowess and Storm.

>brewing
Basically grixis delver, using Tassigurs, Snaps, Delvers, Enigma Drake, Bonepicker and maybe Gurmags/Revelers.

It's just a rough idea currently, but I'll see what I can do with it.

>metagae thoughts

Too many tron decks at my LGS, that's why I made prowess deck since I had all the cards.
I like to play Tron myself to unleash my inner timmy.
But when your meta consists of 40%-60% tron matchups it gets annoying.

But overally I'd say modern has healthy meta.

>>53026584
Not difficult

>>53018490
Green has absurd value in selesnya and golgari though

>>53026948
From personal testing I have to say that Bone Pickers aren't the real deal even if the deathtouch comes in handy often.

>>53026948
Way too many creatures for a delver deck

>>53027365
>Way too many creatures for a delver deck
Take Delver out and call it Grixis Aggro, problem solved.

>>53027450
>problem solved.
I wouldn't go that far. You're playing grixis aggro then.

Splinter Twin Unban when?

>>53027365
The deck will run MAX 15 creatures.

Like I said it's a rough draft and I simply listed creatures I am testing.

But can't do much testing this week since my modern buddy has a busy schedule and we both prefer playing paper than xmage and other shit like that.

>>53027871
Probably never because it would mean Wizards would be willing to admit to the public how grossly incompetent they are at managing their game.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bad-tron-1/
Am I a mouthwatering faggot for wanting to build this?

>>53027263
Do you have a deck list? Can you expand on your opinions of the card? I'm interested.

>>53027996
>mouthwatering
Mouth-breathing
This is some kind of awful autocorrect

>>53027996
I'd say cut 2 GQ and 1 Sanctum, replace them with basic forest, swamp and one more marsh.

>>53028090
Also forgot to mention, get collective brutality instead of Inquisition, probably also cut one surgical.

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>>53027996
>12 colored spells
>2 color producing lands
>Expecting to cast them all one turn late off of cheerios.
Stop shitposting.

>>53028142
>cheerios.
I have literally never seen anyone play this deck IRL ever.

>>53028142
cheerios =/= eggs, retard
at least use a fresh reaction image every now and then, reading your posts is embarrassing

>>53027966
Didn't they do that when they admitted they didn't see the poo in the loo - cat combo?

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>>53028481
They covered that up with the age old, "it's natural that there are mistakes/standard bans every 6 or so years, that's what we aim for!" PR crap, how would they honestly excuse a Twin unban right now?

Will they pull a "we got super secret data that says this is okay to unban" like they did with the cat in standard? People are already calling them out on that so if they did it again it will only make it even more suspect and show that they are truly clueless and just doing this shit at random.

>>53020538
Don't know about legality but they sure as shit don't have black borders.

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>>53028727
???

>>53027054
Brilliant refutation dumbass.

>>53028809
>invokation

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>>53028809
>imblyignig

>A playset of Surgical Extraction cost over 100 canadian dollarydoos
Anyone in the Toronto area looking for a guy to fuck in the ass tonight?

do I sell my Karns and get Jace TMS? Haven't been playing modern much and I'm thinking of messing around with a Gx Tron superfriends deck anyway

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>>53029003
>GX tron superfriends

>>53029018
I'll still have 2 ugins plus I want to jam Nicol Bolas and big Garruk in the same deck. Maybe try the new Nissa too

>>53028829
I'm not wasting time in your equally awful response.
>these are hard because i say so. I demand an essay in response

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>tfw the promo surgicals I got for free are almost 50 a pop now
I sure do love when customer service gives you free shit lmao

>>53029689
How'd you get em

>>53029793
Ordered 4 normal surgicals from Cardkingdom and they said they listed the stock incorrectly and were actually out. They gave me the promos instead for free.

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>mfw ordered 18k gold tarmogoyf p/t dice

>>53029087
So I assume the plan is just jam 4 oath of Nissa in the Tron shell. Not competitive, but it sounds is fun. I'd try it at fnm. Big garruk seems meh though. Elspeth or 6 mana Chandra seem kinda good.

Anyone have cool dredge tech?
I'm thinking about running Academy Ruins + 2 Engineered Explosives. Kills go wide strats and all the hate cards while letting you dredge your entire library without decking yourself in grindy matches.
Could even side out the EEs with +1 Crucible +1 Ghost Quarter in the same package to meme on Tron.

>>53030167
yeah I have no plans of going to GPs or any real competitive events, I forgot about Elspeth and 6 mana Chandra seems like a good idea

>>53030311
Dredge is very tight. You will only make the deck much worse by adding that kind of stuff

>>53030311
I like the idea, do most dredge decks run a fetchable blue source? Quite a few decks just can't handle recurring ee every turn.

>>53018371
I had
3 leyline of sanctity
4 madcap experiment
2 Platinum emperion
3 blood moon
3 Shattering spree
I won a game against DSJ with it , but I have not tested it. Too much

>>53027263
>Bone Pickers aren't the real deal
You're going to get your opponent once, then they're going to Sorcery bolt your creatures so you can never cast it with a discount again.

It's pretty obvious the card was never going to be good enough.

>>53030449
My only wish is that it was common. Pauper UB Delver could make a real comeback, right?

>>53030347
Then I reccomend the recently released cascading cataracts. Tron's new best friend for color fixing.

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What creatures have the strongest entry trigger effects in modern? Asking for a friend.

>>53030408
I don't have fast lands/stomping grounds so I run 4 City of Brass 4 Gemstone Mine (love that land) and am good with any colour.
Might throw in a u shockland if I have to.

>>53030483
I'm personally brewing as I call it "T(h)rone of Bolas" which is basically tron grixis tron shell with Bolas, Ultimatum and that another Bolas spells from Kaladesh, always forgetting it's name.

>>53030608
dark intimations the cruel ultimatum imitation

>>53030485
emrakul the aeons torn, tyrant of discord, realm razer, iona shield of emeria, balleynock cohort

>>53030868
>emrakul the aeons torn
That's a Cast trigger not an ETB you mong

>>53030886
Well Iona isn't an ETB either, "entry" is pretty vague.

>>53030933
Is English not your first language?

"entry" is derived from "enters"

>>53028829
Magic is not hard to play unless you have a sub 80 iq

>>53028944
The black border is on the back.

>>53030485
Thragtusk
Reveillark
pia and kiran nalaar

>>53028727
Why the hell do borders matter if you're required to use opaque sleeves anyways?

>>53031382
You aren't

>>53031404
Let's be real here, while there is no requirement to play with opaque sleeves or any sleeves at all, we all know the sort of people who don't play with opaque sleeves at a sanctioned event are pure fucking cancer to any community because that sort of behavior almost certainly comes with a lot of other shit behavior including crying about everything because of victim complexes or being treated unfairly.

>>53031404
If you play with double sleeved ones, you are.

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Deflecting Palm an 11/11 Death's Shadow.

how in the fuck do you people afford some of these t1 decks, my god

>>53033552
I don't know? I don't have any other expensive hobbies or addictions.

>>53033552
jobs, many years of collecting cards, starting off on lower investment decks then slowly building up to t1 decks, not being shit in general I guess

>>53033596
do you mean slowly building up through winnings or just...spending more

>>53033656
yes, depending on your shop if you can put up good results with less streamlined decks you can often pick up in store credit/packs/prize cards and then like a payment plan you can begin with picking up mana bases for the deck that you want to end with but use them in less costly deck lists like burn

>>53033748
thats kinda neat

it seems like no stores around me even play modern

what does prize support look like for you guys?

>>53033552
by not being a wendy's chef

>>53033552
Burn is only $600 USD
That really isn't all that much. I make that in a little over a week.

>>53033552
T1 decks are actually sort of cheap right now?

affinity $750
burn $600
UW control $600
dredge $600
eltronzi $750-1000 depending on specific build and sideboard choices
UR storm $700

like, the current top modern decks are relatively cheap right now

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>Playing?
Jund Shadow, Grixis; Shadow, Delver, Control, Jeskai Nahiri, Azorius Control, Esper Control, Elves.
>Brewing?
Sultai Midrange, Temur Delver, Izzet Delver.
>Metagame thoughts?
While the metagame appears to be in a healthy state, I wouldn't mind seeing blue and white get more tools for existing or new strategies. I don't believe Jace is the answer because it would be great against fair decks, but poor against aggro. Stongeforge would be jammed in any white splash deck along with Batterskull, and wouldn't be healthy.

>>53033552
It's not an issue of affording it. Anybody can afford it. On an objective scale it's really nothing. $500-1000 for a deck? Peanuts.

The real problem is the fact that cardboard costs that much. The fact that the cards cost that much even for the work that goes into them, is outrageous. And quite frankly, we, including myself, have been stupid to pay that much for them.

>>53034595
This is correct. It's why I haven't bought into the game. I don't value a stack of 75 cards to be anywhere from 600-1500 dollars. Do you know how much other shit I can buy with that?

>>53021376

>Will I ever be able to run elves? What other wincon could I play besides ezuri?

You can still attack for 2 early on. You can also play Shaman of the Pack, you can also play Mirror Entity if in W. Besides you should not be losing to a turn 3 Infinite Obliteration/Lost Legacy as Elves. If they tap out turn 3 for that shit you should immediately win the next turn.

When in doubt you can always pack Thoughtseize in the side or your own better version of a cranial extraction type card with Stain the Mind.

>>53023269

Yeah let me tell you mate that casting a Blood Moon against Elves is the fastest way to lose even if they are playing two or three colours.

>>53022885

If you're in Mono G Elves and your meta is packing cranial extraction type hate everywhere then you need to adapt and tune your deck into W or B to leave yourself less vulnerable or make yourself faster and SB accordingly. Modern Elves requires constant tuning to stay on top of the game.

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>>53031957
>top decking a goblin grenade vs deaths shadow player on 5 health

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>>53018269
Because when the OP used to not spam the word "competitive," we'd have constant casualfags posting kitchen-table shit with no goal to improve their lists.

They'd ask for help but would reject pretty much every suggestion. Either their budget is too low to play any powerful cards or they won't accept that their list is just awful. Basically they want Modern General to improve their deck but without changing anything.

I can respect budget options to try and get into the format, and I personally am a fan of jank brews, but at least put some effort into it. And sometimes you have to accept that the deck you want to make just won't work and you have to try something else.

>>53035180
And then you also had trolls roleplaying an autistic retard trying to get "advice" on his fucking intro pack deck and pretending to be upset and going 140% asshurt about pay2win and netdecking

>>53035148
>goblins
>gay anime gif
it checks out

>>53035259
I think that was just one guy desu

>>53035277
The tezzeret intro deck and the kithkin memer are only recent examples, it has happened more than that

>>53035261
What decks are neckbeard weebs most likely to play? Ive seen several anime sleeves and mats across from me during tournaments but ive never pinned it down to one deck

>>53033810
Depends on how many players there are, but most of the time 1st in Modern FNM at my LGS is $50 in-store credit or the equivalent in packs, second is $25, third is $10, then the rest either get a pack or nothing depending on their record.

>>53035468
>What decks are neckbeard weebs most likely to play?
Twin.

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>>53035468
Neckbeardism doesn't lend itself to a particular Modern deck. If seen "netdeckers" that have no idea how to play the list they just bought, to anti-netdeckers that pretend they're superior even as they lose over and over.

I guess if they were full weeb they could play Turns and run animu Jace.

>>53035261
Show me on the doll where the goblin deck turn 2'd you.

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>>53035581
>This weeb trash version of Jace is an official WoTC product

Is there any point in making bogles in this day and age?

>>53035761
It makes a good loaner deck for beginners. Also, it can be played competently while shitfaced.

>>53017663
Ok fags, let's get serious. Anyone here not playing DSJ, Burn, Affinity or EldraTron is never gonna win anything worth mentioning.
Can we kick all the rat kids out and concentrate on these four decks and their matchups against each other and the tier 2 forever losers?

>>53035844
Ok fags, let's get serious. Anyone here not playing DSJ is never gonna win anything worth mentioning.
Can we kick all the rat kids out and concentrate on these four decks and their matchups against each other and the tier 2 forever losers?

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>>53036217
>DSJ is four decks
that's some lazy editing my nigga

>>53036251
>grixis
>abzan
>mardu
>jund

>>53036251
Ok fags, let's get serious. Anyone here not playing DSJ is never gonna win anything worth mentioning.
Can we kick all the rat kids out and concentrate on this deck and it's matchups against the tier 2 forever losers?

:^)

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>>53036366
>mardu
>ever worth being in the conversation
t. mardu player pic related, it's me on the left reality on the right
>>53036375
much better

>>53036366
Don't forget Dark Bant, Dark Jeskai and Sultai

>>53028944
What are those things on the inside of the upper columns and on the front side of the lower columns? Oh right, black borders!

Yes they are shit but they exist

On a scale of 1-10 how bad was gitaxian probe?
How does it compare to street wraith or mishra's bauble?

>>53036477
Literally didn't deserve to be banned

>>53036477
At worst it enabled Infect to see if the opponent was bluffing. Anything else was just a 2-life information cantrip.

>>53036251
Shadow jund
Shadow grixis
Shadow esper (trash)
Shadow golgari
Shadow abzan
Shadow mardu
Shadow sultai (trash)

I've seen these variants so far.

>>53036477
wraith and bauble don't match up great against probe in a vacuum but are better for the decks where that typing matters, usually delirium or goyf lists
>wraith doesn't grant you any information but cycles similarly to probe
>bauble has a delayed draw compared to probe, but grants some information if not substantially worse when compared to probe in the scope of what it tells you
I don't think probe necessitated a ban in most situations but they cited the use of seeing if it's clear to storm off or go all in on your infect meme

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>>53036612
>>53036366
>death's shadow JUND is also death's shadow grixis/esper/mardu/abzan/sultai/golgari
This really cheeses my macaroni

Any feel like 1 cmc(moreso TS than IoK) discard is a big problem in this format? It give black decks way to much value and information.

Any feel like 1 cmc(moreso TS than IoK) discard is a big problem in this format? It give black decks way to much value and information.

>>53036704
>1 cmc fatal push
>1 cmc 10/10
>1 cmc hand hate
Its fine desu.

>>53036713
>value
>a literal 1 for 1
and no it just happens to be very good right now that doesn't mean it's a problem

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>>53036739

>>53036759
Ah yes Condemn the answer to everything.

>>53036747
It basically counters a spell before it hits the stack.

>>53036763
>play burn
>condemn in sideboard for super secret deaths shadow tech
>undo up to 4 spells worth of damage

Thanks Hasbro

>>53036704
Play Chalice of the Void and stop whining.

>>53036759
I want MaRo to go and stay go.

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>>53036844
"Turn 1 thoughtseize take your chalice"

>>53036704
Just play little kid junk and you'll never have to worry about discard again you baby

Am I the only one that loves that when git probe was banned people were saying it would kill storm but infect would survive, but the opposite happened?

>>53034695
Something like 30 pauper decks

>>53036477
Probe is legit busted. It's honestly one of the best cards in magic. This is coming from a someone who plays legacy storm.
>let's you see if the coast is clear
>fuels graveyard shenanigans
>cycles
>free storm count
>all for the "cost" of 2 life
Normally, decks like infect and DSZ couldn't just attempt to combo kill you if you were representing a kill spell, not without losing the game if you actually had one, which meant they had to slow down until they had whatever it was they needed to push through for the kill. With probe, it took all the guess work out of that, and in a way, it made those aggro/combo decks that could capitalize on probe faster, because they'll just kill you if they saw you had nothing. I don't know if it deserved a ban though, Infect and DSZ weren't really oppressive.

>>53034120
not ghor-clan rampager? It have been usefull for me with traverse to find it when needed

Does anyone know why Sudden Shock is seeing more SB play in Burn? Is it just solid tech against Affinity?

>>53035571
But that decks gone so what deck did they switch to?

>>53036747
>worst spell in my deck for the best spell in yours
>not valuable

>>53035844
>>53036217

Too bad that the last SCG Modern tournament had 0 copies of DSJ in the top 8 and Ad Nauseam won the lot.

>>53035468
Hard control, easily. Know 3 of them locally all unrelated to each other and all use animu sleeves and boxes.

Whats with this general lately? I feel like the amount of shit posting and shitpinions have increased 10 fold. I know its not just me i see it happening wtf is going on???

Can we some fucking unbans for fucks sake? The ban list is starting to look longer than the average list of incompetent mistakes Wizards makes on a monthly basis.

>>53037616
It used to be popular because of it's value in Delver matchups but not it's relegated to Affinity, Elves and somewhat but not really against D&T and Fish. Burn is Burn, there aren't a lot of sideboard cards relevant to the gameplan.

>>53037510
You're not counting UR Prowess and those three together were for the purposes of matchup roulette the exact same deck and had a pretty depressing meta share overall.

>>53038095
Theres not much on the ban list that can come off without being degenerate and annoying to play against

>>53038436
Compared to the degenerate and annoying to play against shit we have right now?

>>53038436
FREE DREAD RETURN

>>53038583

pls dont

free seething song instead

>>53038779
So long as we also ban grapeshot. Dragonstorm should be storm's wincon

>>53038436
preordain unban, ban past in flames

So what exactly does White lack to be used as main color?
Efficient beaters? Faster aggro starts? Support spells?
Isn't CoCo more of a white effect than green anyway?

>>53038939
Card draw

>>53038939
Main deck cards

>>53038939
White lacks everything. Inb4 "sideboard cards". You have to run ×4 of the shit to draw semi consistly,they're horrible in multiples and you opponent will have answers(Discard,abrupt decay). Fuck RiP, Stony Silence and most of all fuck leyline that do nothing card.

>Should Tier:
Green Sun's Zenith
Splinter Twin

>Could/Maybe Should Tier:
BBE
Dark Depths
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Punishing Fire
Second Sunrise
Stoneforge Mystic
Umezawa's Jitte

>No Tier:
Artifact Lands
Blazing Shoal
Chrome Mox
Cloudpost
Dig Through Time
Dread Return
Eye of Ugin
Gitaxian Probe
Glimpse of Nature
Golgari Grave-Troll
Hypergenesis
Mental Misstep
Ponder
Preordain
Rite of Flame
Seething Song
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
Summer Bloom
Treasure Cruise

If you ban Grapeshot and maybe Empty then you also have like 5 or so cards in the No tier that could be safely unbanned.

>>53038939
It fucking needs something, that's for sure. I mean even looking at fucking Legacy you see 3 white cards (one of which doesn't actually get cast ever) in the top 50 most played cards and in modern you get 5 out of 50, three of which are fucking sideboard cards.

White needs to be the best removal in format (it isn't) provide great on creature value (it doesn't SFM is banned) or have some sort of value engine going on (all of those are in green, Tireless Tracker being the most recent addition)

>>53039006
>preordain better than GSZ
>jitte in maybe

>>53039006
>Forgetting Pod
It should go in the Could/Maybe should tier.

>>53038939
White needs a one sided thalia/arbiter effect to be good or SFM.

>>53038939
>Isn't CoCo more of a white effect than green anyway?
yes, both in flavor and mechanics it's super white

Just checked goldfish, the fuck? Storm?

>>53026528
>Unless you have a learning disability, mtg is very easy
This, desu.

Should we make a Modern General Bingo Card? Have stuff on there like "Ban Tron" or "Free Jace".

>>53039006
It's just a simple fact now that Green gets to eat everyone's pieces of pie.

>>53033552
Chinamen fakes, you retard!

>>53039704
Where can one buy those?

How to spot good chinaman from bad chinaman?

>>53039742
No such thing as a good Chinaman. They're called the jews of Asia for a reason.
look for villa zheng

>>53039742
Bad chinaman looks like a fake card, good chinaman looks like a real card. It's not a difficult concept

>>53039900
>The dude's page consist of jewelry listings.

Wht the fuck lol.

Still thanks.

>>53039978
Lol you're a dipshit. Need your hand held through the process?

>>53039978
>jewelry
Yeah. Jewelry.
Send the yellow man an email he'll walk you through it.

>>53039991
I understand it anon, dont worry. I'm just laughing.

His email is literaly the first thing that appears.

>>53040058
My bad anon. There are a lot of people who demand we walk them through buying them

>>53040099
It's all right.

Any ideas on how much his cards cost, though? Like, if I buy a playset of fetches, how much would that be?

>>53040144
I dunno. I personally don't use them, but i don't care if others do. Just don't be a shithead and try to trade/sell them

>>53040144
Black lotus prices were like 2,5 USD
I think Villa's are like 3,75 USD for piece.

>>53040183
Okay that's fucking cool.

Will definetly consider it.

>>53040171
Of course. For playing only, and at FNM level if that.

I just don't want to spend 300 of my country's money for a Lilliana, man.

>>53040171
>Selling that cardboard is okay, but this other no.
What a good logic

>>53040224
You shouldn't push fake cards on someone without them knowing, that's a dick move and can give them trouble later down the line if they get caught.

>>53040224
>selling official licensed product is good, but knowingly and willingly selling copyright infringing, knock-off chinese versions for the same value is no
One is legal, the other is not there isn't a court in the world that gives a shit so whatever

>people are crying for storm to be banned (for the eighth time) in modern
Hahaha wtf are these babies for real?

>>53040376
Blame Wizards. Its called The Storm Scale for a reason

>>53040376
Ban storm and let preordain free

>>53035844
I play Dredge with maindeck Gnaw to the Bone.
See me in the streets DS, Burn and Affinity.

>>53040406
Ban storm, free rite of flame and seething song
I just want to play modern charbelcher

>>53040563
Meme it up with mono green Belcher my dude

>>53040770
I already have 7 forest belcher I wanna play 0 lands

>>53040829
Is the deck actually any good? I've never seen it played.

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>What if you remade the Eldrazi decks but with...
Heartless summoning?
Or just heartless summoning somewhere else?
CAN THERE BE A PLACE FOR HEARTLESS SUMMONING, SOMEWHERE YET UNSEEN?

>>53040900
Uhhh.... Black Eldrazi Tron?

>>53040864
its a slow combo deck with not much interaction going off t4-5 at best
Can drop a pretty consistent t3 wurmcoil or batterskill vs aggro decks

>>53017942
Fellow stormfag, I run
2 Dispel
2 Pyroclasm
3 Lightning Bolt
2 Wear//Tear
1 Vandalblast
1 Shattering Spree
1 Reckless Bushwhacker
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Echoing Truths
1 Crumble to Dust (Probably soon to be blood moon)

I really, really want to slot in 3-4 leyline of sanctity, DSJ, Abzan, Lantern Control, Burn, and Thought-knot seer are all really prevalent in my meta

>>53040963
I didn't know this was a deck. I'm now buying it for casual games. That's fucking fantastic.

>>53040900
>Kills Skyspawner
>puts TKS in Bolt range
>denies any tokens you might ever get

It would need to be a pretty jank brew.

>>53041729
Easy, run 4 leyline of lifeforce. Problem solved

>foil tarfire is 30-50 bucks
RRREEEEEEEE

>>53042557
I assume you mean Leyline of Vitality?

This is what I mean by jank brew, regardless. We do have a Kitchen table general up at the moment.

>>53040376
Its just surprising that not only is the deck still alive, but its good. Its had 4 cards directly banned from it and 1 indirectly and all its recieved is Electromancers 5-8. I dont know I feel like Wizards should have just banned Grapeshot and Empty the Warrens and Ponder but not the other cards since obviously bannings have not killed the deck.

>>53043160
Expanding more on this it would just make sense that Grapeshot, Empty, Dragonstorm and Ignite Memories are on the banlist as theyd all have a shared keyword. And things like Rite of Flame, Seething Song, and Preordain could be considered for an unban.

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>>53038939
Beaters and utility spells. Pretty much everything.

>>53039006
>gsz in should tier
>jitte in could tier
>gitaxian probe in no tier
>forgetting pod

who else here /stillplayingboglesin2017/

the sigh I hear when I drop a slippery boy t1 is addictive honestly

I don't play it very often and it's nice to keep BGx removal fags on their toes.

>>53043524
I love seeing bogles when I play, because that means it's gonna be an easy 2-0

>>53043564
what do you play?

>>53043524
I don't usually play bogles. I do about 50/45/5 in burn, fish, and bogles respectively. It's fun to show up to FNM with it sometimes, just not too much or people will start to run enchantment removal