MTG: Snowflake/Lore General

>>53007975
>Question of the Day
Helping an old man be less unhappy.

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>>53007975

>>53008113
i don't understand this meme

>>53008121
It's a reminder

So what is the current consensus on the domains of the green slice of the color pie? Apparently community and interdependence are largely out.

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Hey guys rate my flake

>>53009559
Chandere pls.

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>>53013086

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>>53007975
>Where was your flake during the most recent major story event?

Fukn up sum atarka brood dragons

>>53013086
>anyone who speaks ill of Nahiri is Chandere
I thought Chandere unironically liked edgy?

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>>53007975
First snowflake. Feel free to laugh or judge or whatever...

>>53014018
Damn, forgot the question. He would have been on Ravincia

>>53007975
>Salum
Somewhere.

>Salina
Right after the Gatewatch left for Amonkhet? Chilling out in Kaladesh.

>Costin
Leaving Ravnica, because that didn't pan out too well.

>Tyral
Mugging some poor sap in some city somewhere.

>Karrok
Hanging out with the trolls on Zendikar.

>Mysel
Drilling for sangrite, for profit.

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Uploading my flake.

Can't help but feel I butchered it somewhere though...

>>53020147
So a walking mass of Deus Vult?

>>53020147
>has angelic armaments
>not a cute girl

Hmmmm

>>53020147
The naya fight-dude squad grows....good, good....

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>>53007975
Probably selling imperialistically acquired goods back on Kephalai, or picking more up from wherever's in vogue.

>>53009559
>phyrexiakid663
that fag and his OP praetors, RP'ing with him sucks

nice chuckle. thanks mate

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>>53007975
I made a thing. Tah-dah

>>53027166
Tickles me pink to see one of yours again.

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In flake news:
Esper's still empty.
Naya and Golgari have seen population spikes.
Every snowflake is shit, especially yours.

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>>53028192
>>53031376
In addition, gave Petra wrong symbol, now fixed.

>>53031376
Rezarek still scares the piss out of me.

will he take me gently?

>>53031736
I mean, he hungers for the sweet essence of living beings. Interpret that as you will
You will scream, one way or another.

>>53031822
S-s-s-s-sempai!!!!

>Story begins with another planeswalker staying on Ravnica to lead an uprising against the guilds. To do this, she constructs an army of angels. But the first and strongest of the angels finds out some pretty bad shit about the resistance. Driven to the brink at one bitter revelation too many, she ends up killing her own creator by consuming her soul, gaining her spark in the process.

Good flake idea or shit flake idea?

>>53031853
>she constructs an army of angels.
Seems like a nigh-impossible feat for a neowalker.

>>53031853
If it's constructed, it can't have a spark unless through incredible circumstances they are given one.

>>53031853
Shit idea.
Why does the random angel possess the power to absorb souls?
Why does random unnamed neowalker #302 decide the best way to invade Ravnica is to create an army of extremely visible creatures that are known to be strong allies of justice, when her goal is to overthrow the current (working) regime? Why not just recruit the discontent and downtrodden, like, you know, actually organizing the fucking Gateless?

>>53031853
Constructing an army of permanent angels is something only oldwalkers are capable of and Ravnica was off-bounds for planeswalkers before the Mending.
The only entity capable of forcefully taking a spark is Memnarch, who engineered an entire plane for that single purpose.
Why would a planeswalker choose angels as their soldier of choice? I mean, why would you go with the magical construct most likely to feel empathy?

Too many holes, I'm afraid. Bad idea.

>>53031853
It's shit and you're shit

Why the obsession with angels among us?

>>53033076
some pure waifu shit probably

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>>53033076
Does that question really need to be asked?

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>>53033150

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>>53033076
Because demons are male.

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>>53033164

>>53033076
The first storm had no angels in it, despite having over a hundred walkers. It occurred during Origins and BFZ.
The second storm took place during SOI. It had at least three angels in it.

People going apeshit over Avacyn is the likely cause. Who cares that she was an emotionless robot, she wore lots of eyeliner and looked fucking great in thigh-highs. Of course people were all over that shit.

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>>53033223
Avacyn is top-tier waifu material, yes.

>>53033194
>tfw no plane where Angels are hot, shirtless hunks and Demons are seductresses
Life is suffering.

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>>53033291
The angels on Amonkhet are huge swole dudes.

The demons though...

>>53033291
But that puts toxic masculinity on a pedestal while literally demonizing femininity, anon.

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Glake concept: mono white walker with several decades of experience who will save the multiverse from itself, and bring order to the galaxy. Leaves spartan meritocracies wherever he goes, great at rule of law, but immicable to freedom or anything he sees as chaos. Currently looking for a way to confine planewalkers to planes due to how they 'contaminate' planes.

>>53033420
Do it. We need more cancer.

>>53033420
>Currently looking for a way to confine planewalkers to planes due to how they 'contaminate' planes.

I actually kinda like this.

>>53033420
Go for it, although people might roll their eyes at how he's a supposed conqueror of planes when he hasn't touched any planes that we're aware of.

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Reposting from last thread.

>>53033575
D-do the new one, sempai >>53031376

I'll suc ur dic

>>53033584
Not that guy, just reposting.

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Do we need another UGB walker? Was thinking of making a guy who took the whole 'Destiny is real and you all have to play your part' thing from green, adding some black "Man my destiny is shit" and blue "and here's how I'm gonna fix it"
Any good, or should I just BUG and make a SPIDERS SPIDERS AHAHAAH walker?

>>53036422
I'm not sure. My way of going about it was "my destiny is fucking awesome and fuck anyone who is going to stand between me and it." Green demands some respect of destiny and the way that you're using blue and black makes it sound like they don't like the destiny they're given and are trying to avoid it.

Maybe have green be 'destiny's real and you've got to play your part,' while black is 'but I'd really like it if my destiny was awesome for me,' with blue going 'so here's how I'm going to reinterpret it to make it awesome for me.'

Fixing destiny sounds a bit anti-green. Finding the perfect interpretation of destiny that benefits you the most is just blue, black and green enough that it works.

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>>53036422
>>53036680
Finally home from work, played with a few ideas, knocked together a few concepts, and voila.
Rate my first shitty flake

>>53036422
Spooders are great

Do it

>>53038785
literally 2 minutes late
Fuck lad I'll do BG spider walker next time. How comedy do you want senpai, serious, semi-serious, or AHAHAHAH SPOODER IS BEST DO YOU LIKE SPIDAR, LET ME SHOW YOU MY SPIDER

>>53038782
So his motivation is to disrupt the course of destiny and save his people from destruction? The former is not green whatsoever and the latter is most certainly white.

I'm having a hard time seeing the self-interest and ambition that would make him black, or what makes his green beyond his use of leyline magic.

>>53040679
>self-interest and ambition
Maybe he wants to save his people not because he truly carea about them, but because he wants to satisfy his ego by being the hero everyone worships? Maybe he has a compulsive desire to feel important.

>>53038782
Sounds mono blue, maybe blue-black to me. Scholarly and spacetime warp-y spells from blue and leeching spells from black.

Just because a character is somewhat related to tradition, destiny, or past stuff at all, it doesn't have to be green.

Just because a character can get angry, doesn't mean it has to be red.

Just because a character has a personal goal, doesn't mean it has to be black.

Just because a character has some modicum of intellect beyond being a slobbering retard doesn't mean it has to be blue.

Just because a character has some adherence to law or religion doesn't mean it has to be white.

In most cases, sentient beings have some intellectual interaction in aspects from all 5 colors, and would have to be extremely single minded not to. Using a color to identify a character means it's a crucial part of a character's identity. It's not just a matter of it being present, but a matter of a character being made invalid for its absence.

Snowflake trial when?

Fuck it, when I get home from vacation I am finally making my snowflake even if I don't have the right character art yet.

>>53042536
It would need to be set before the current events of Amonkhet, because it's all going to shit once Bolas arrives and ruins fucking everything.

>>53042851
I mean, like make an entire trial just for flakes

>>53038801
The best comedy characters are ones that can be read seriously and aren't obnoxious.
Silly doesn't mean you can't take it seriously in how you handle making it.

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WB is so awkward to design characters around.

>>53042994
I made an planeswalking twit of the year before and someone did flake hunger games

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I don't believe that this flake was posted yet.

I'm not 100% happy about her backstory, so I'll probably end up changing it somewhat.

>>53045416

I need to find them, but my friends and I made some creatures out of ourselves way back in the day. Put on some Halloween crap, posed for a picture, and edited ourselves into the cards. Man, we couldn't have been too old at the time, but it's funny to think about.

>>53045493
The backstory has a bit too much of "she's good at everything she tries" but that might just be me.

>>53048492
I tried to emphasize with the cards that she's not really good at self-defense, but I can see what you mean. I'll throw in some more detail in the bio.

I have a couple ideas for walkers, but I'm not sure how good either is. I haven't really made any OCs for anything before.

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>>53027166
>Þ

>>53048948

:^Þ

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repostin

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Rate it, fuccbois.

Also, what spells/artifacts does he still need?

In universe time, how long ago did New Phyrexia take over Mirrodin? 3-4 years? Short enough ago that a Planeswalker might have visited it without encountering Phyrexians and not having heard the plane's fate?

>>53049479
>Not a giant woman
0/10 Gaia, git gud

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>>53049538
Bitch why don't you come over here and fuck me in my giant slut pussy?

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>>53049479

>>53049536
The takeover of Mirrodin was not an instant thing. It happened over time. Unless you haven't been there in an extreme while, you're gonna know.

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Well, I might as well post the plane sheet now, considering I have two flakes that come from it.

>>53052756
I too liked Sunless Sea
>>53040951
Tried to make his green come out more in the whole preservationist thing. Still, good point I might go over and fix the story sometime today
>>53040679
I could stand to make it more selfish, was trying to go for "I'm the hero because it's my destiny so everything is okay"

>>53028192
I like her design, feels very human. Does she ever try and find her father? It would also be good to add some conflict with her time on Kaladesh as the plane is very unwelcoming to magic users under the Console, assuming she was there before it was revolted.

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Making a sheet, here is their equipment. Make a an assumption about them based off of it, I dare you.

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>>53055932
WRU Boros/Izzit combo
>>53038785
Behold, le spider lady. Can't think of a story for her, aside from "Grew up a noble in Innistrad, spiders happened, learned how to spider from Golgari, now she spider spider spider spider spider"

I'm actually an arachnophobe so this was fun.

>>53056518
Ayyy, the Femme Fatale alt art, nice.

>>53055494
Glad you like it. I imagine she's tried a few times but doesn't really get her hopes up. Being in the audience of a theatre where Rakdos had a temper tantrum tends to end poorly.

There probably is a good story in her restraining her use of magic on Kalades, seeing as how she seems to almost exclusively use aether magic and machines now. Even the more obviously magic stuff, like Auger Spree and Mizzium Mortars just mostly look like machines.

I imagine she was there before, during, and after the revolution. It'd be the perfect time to get her hands on some more exciting toys and test what she had, hence why she now has Gearhulks in her arsenal.

>>53028192
>>53060048
>>53007975
And I guess because I keep forgetting to answer the question: Petra was working with Gonti, who owns her favorite Scrapper rings on Kaladesh, securing herself and the aetherborn more resources for whatever scheme he's up to.

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>>53056518
Close, but no U. I'm trying not to make another character with U in it so I'm sticking to just boros.

>>53062955
a minotaur from theros that wants to rise above the savagery of the people from its homeland?

>>53063545
Close.
Minotaur from Ravinka that walked to Theros and was disgusted by the brutal, primal, savagery of his kin on the plane and is attempting to redeem them through Boros Law, and indirectly causes a disturbance in the Pantheon by slowly shifting Mogis to Mardu.

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>>53063545
Someone call?

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>>53063640
>indirectly causes a disturbance in the Pantheon by slowly shifting Mogis to Mardu
>Snowflake singlehandedly warping the way an entire plane works

>>53063678
What else would you expect to happen if he started teaching law to the minotaurs of theros? The gods are built of faith, and if their people begin to shift so will they.

>>53063660
This is some god like sniping.

>>53063640
>and indirectly causes a disturbance in the Pantheon by slowly shifting Mogis to Mardu.
Man, between you and pornfag up here >>53027166 we're halfway to the worst posting of the first snowstorm already.
All you need is some digimon fanart and to be friends with one of the major villains that'd otherwise hate you and you can be this storms Arakis.

>>53063799
So I'll explain in pieces.
First: Snowflakes are not supposed to warp canon. Ever. You might as well say your flake gave an impassioned speech that made Liliana turn Orzhov
Your flake shouldn't have enough influence among minotaurs to push them white enough for Mogis to be influenced. There's already a WR force on Theros in the polis of Akros, and if they don't listen to Akros, why would they listen to you?

That's off the top of my head.

>>53063799
It's generally frowned upon in flake threads to change a plane's entire way of life or directly interact with the established lore. That's why Vronak got flak for writing a story where he kills Vraska and cucks Jace

>>53063904
>>53063913
Alright, good points. I'll change the design.

>>53056518

What, a spider lady with no asshole genie in her backstory?

This place has changed.

>>53064214
Better question: Why isn't she a drider?

>>53064214
>>53064743
Even better question: why isn't her name a Innistradian version of Taylor Hebert?

No die

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>>53063904
>Digimon
>Arakis
It took a while, but I found the original image.

I was told that a plane consisting of only two-/three mana would be highly unstable and unravel the moment anything not those colors shows up.
But what about planes that are dominated by one color?

Like let's say it's red.
There's like one huge mountain chain and the other colors are represented like in dual colored lands. So you'd have like a cliff like coastal area for blue, a constantly active volcano for black, dunno what would be red/green or red/white but you get the idea.

Would this be possible?

>>53070266
I'm pretty sure that's Innistrad, except with swamps.

>>53070365
That would certainly explain a lot.

>>53070266

I am 90% sure that it's only artificial planes with unbalanced Mana that end up unstable and need maintenance from an old-Walker. Serra's Realm was stable until Urza accidentally brought Black Mana to it, and OG Phyrexia was unstable being only black Mana. But that's only speculation because those are the only two artificial planes I can think of at the moment. We all thought Amonkhet would be artificial, but it turn out that Bolas just raped the Plane into near death instead.

The "Soul of <insert plane name here>" creatures represent the main color of mana for several planes, with Soul of Shandalar being Red, while Innistrad is black (>>53070365). So I assume that planes can naturally exist with their mana being uneven favoring one color or another or even omitting them.

>>53070524
I wouldn't exactly call those Soul Plane cards cannon though;
Wasn't there one for Theros? A plane where essentially all colors and combos get a representative God?

>>53070580
Well all planes have a color they lean to. Theros is heavily White/Green, and since Soul of Zendikar was Green, Theros got White.

Theros is heavy on Faith and Destiny, hence White/Green

Tarkir, for example, is constant war and dragons, so it's probably red leaning. Appropriately enough, Mardu, Temur, and Jeskai were the clans that mattered.

I'd argue that new Tarkir is probably more white aligned; exemplifying some of the more negative aspects of that color.

>>53070635
Right but if there were cannon they might have made an appearance -somewhere- within the story.
Nissa is out there talking to planes; you would think that during the Eldrazi corruption of Zendikar and Innistrad she would have pulled those out. But she didn't.
I mean heck, her elemental friend for Zendikar actually disproves their existence.

I'm not even sure what an Avatar is in MTG...

>>53070753
>I'm not even sure what an Avatar is in MTG...
Clearly. Joking!

But an Avatar is basically a freaky amalgamation of mana that embody an aspect or thing. In MTG it's basically a projection of power.
In Ashaya's case, Zendikar has a lot of power to manifest, so in addition to the Soul of Zendikar running around, it had powerful Elementals like Omnath being pissed at everything, and even made Ashaya to help Nissa since she was the one that could control Zendikar's leylines, and thus, was important to the plane.

She didn't try summoning an Innistradi Ashaya because Innistrad almost immediately tried to eat her when she tried. The Avatars are separate from the Elementals though.

The best way I can explain the difference is that you have a "Fire Elemental" and an "Avatar of Heat"
All cards outside of Time Spiral and Khans of Tarkir are canon

>>53070753

It's one of the more vague creature types, it's true.

Is there a major appreciable difference between an Avatar and an Incarnation?

>>53070887
An Avatar is an embodiment of the whole plane, an Incarnation is the embodiment of something specific within the plane

>>53070862
So Avatars are more... conceptual? Like your Avatar of Heat example and the more abstract like Avatar of Woe and these planar Souls?
Then what are kami?

>>53070951
We don't talk about the kami...

>>53070951
Aren't the kami just how Kamigawa does Spirits? Like instead of being dead-guy spirits, they're spirits of 'that field over there' and 'that rock'.

>>53070950
There are lesser Avatars though.

>>53070972
On every other plane Spirits are just the souls of the dead.

>>53070266
>>53070365
Planes naturally have a certain "weight" of mana analogous to their position in the multiverse. Innistrad and I assume Amonkhet are black-mana dominated, while planes like Kaladesh and Ravnica, representing a form of order, are white mana dominated (although argument could be made both of them are white/blue dominated). Tarkir is red-dominated, Iquati is blue-dominated, phyrexia is fucking insane, and dominria is maybe the best balanced plane.
Basically, each plane will vary in the relative "strength" of mana on that plane, which seeps into all the other colors with it, through the connected leylines. That's why even the islands and mountains of innistrad are dark as shit, forests are only mostly sinister and hazardous to any kind of order, and plains are sparse.

>>53070951
>>53070966
>>53070972
Kami are Shinto spirits and you're proving to Wizards why Theros-style culture blocks are better than Kamigawa-style culture blocks.

>>53070998
Kaladesh is basically a really Izzet or Gruul plane. Everything is built around aether which is a naturally occurring weather phenomenon there and a little bit of regulation is all people need to get pissed off and go full "My Revolution!" there.

So Red because it's more "muh freedom" than America, followed by either Green for the natural resource of aether, or Blue because everyone present has a boner for the perfection of invention.

>>53071071
Kaladesh is colorless.

>>53071086
No, Mirrodin was the colorless artifact plane, because it was itself a giant artifact. Kaladesh is a natural plane, and therefore has color.

Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>53071364
False and homosexual

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>>53071364
RNG spoke, and you all brought this on yourselves.

>>53072516
Edgy but fuckable/10

Porn when?

>>53071071
> red
> aether spirals in patterns that structure the land
> inspiration of the great conduit is the influence of aether spirals on the imagination
> Artifacts are common, work well
> even rogue mana forms into discrete organised creatures (aetherborn)
It's a white/blue artifact deck. Red is heavily suppressed by the nature of the plane, it took the jacetice league to fuck up the natural order for things to change.

>>53072591
>Aether spirals in patterns across the land
Green
>Imagination and creativity
Red and blue
>People are disposed to making artifacts, it's played as a creative pursuit of innovation
Red and blue again.
Ignoring what you said by the aetherborn, since calling them "organized" is a really, really liberal use of the word, it's very much a red/blue plane, filled with everything trying to innovate and create, where everyone was focused on creativity and freedom, and the white/blue order of the consulate didn't mesh with most denizens and was easily hijacked and corrupted.
Appropriately enough most energy counters, which are the aether of the plane, are focused in red and blue, and it's major mechanic in origins, thopters, was in red and blue in Origins.

"Structure the land" doesn't mean anything, that artifacts "Work well" doesn't mean anything, and calling the aetherborn "organized" doesn't mean anything.

The only thing suppressing red was the consulate
>But muh Jacetice league has to be wrong!!!
There was an entire revolution brewing without them showing up, they just became power units to counter everything Tezzeret brought to the consulate and Chandra's pretty much allowed to interfere with her homeplane as much as she wants anyway. If Sorin can lord over Innistrad, Chandra can riot against the consulate

Do we know what Bolas' plan for Amonkhet is yet?

>>53072516
I want her to put that tail in my asshole while I fuck her pussy and caress her thighs.

>>53072516
sex

>>53072516
Can I use her horns as bike handles while I lick her anus?

>>53072516
My new mommy.

>>53072516
I want to lick her nose while squeezing a nip and rimming her bum.

>>53072516
>She grabs you by your wrists, violently pulling you close, your stiff cock pulsing along her thigh.
>She stares deep in your eyes.
>"You wanna get mindfucked, bitch boy?"

>>53073246
>"P-please, don't"
>His eyes waver, feeling ashamed and vulnerable as his erection begins leaking precum and smearing it onto her uncovered skin

>>53073258
>She licks his neck ever so lightly, then trails her tongue slowly down his body, sliding down his chest, his abs, before gently licking the precum of his dick

>>53072516
Huh, Cala returns. Just fucking nuts this time. Good to see her back.

>>53073286
Put your nametag on, Cala.

>>53073286
>>53073290
At least one of you done goofed.

>>53073290
>>53073295
Why would I be Calanon out of all the people making posts about her?

>>53073282
>His entire body is trembling as her warm, demonic tongue slides across his neck and slips lower
>Cala can smell his fear as her tongue laps up his precum
>"W-why are you toying with me like this"
>His hands are shaking and clammy as her reaches down and gently brushes his fingers through her hair before grasping the base of her horns

>>53073307
>she fondles his balls, one after the other
>he groans, begging
>but she doesn't give him satisfaction
>not yet
>not before plunging her clawed thumb in his bum hole

>>53073334
>he gasps in pain, heart pounding as tremors of pleasure rock his body
>"I can't go on like this" he instinctually begins gyrating his hips, now tightly gripping Cala's horns
>he begins pushing her face back down to his dripping cock

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>>53073386

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>>53072516
THE RETURN OF WHY BONER!
I missed you

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>>53072516
Oh, and reposting for reference.

>>53073559
Molgatha anon here, he actually ate his wings intentionally, he could have fixed them with time but chose not to because, clearly, they had to pay for their betrayal

>>53073559
Tsukiyo anon here: sounds about right.

>>53073559
>Tristain
Objectively incorrect. He just fucked up hard enough to almost drown and ignite his spark. The barge is fine.

Are all Blue wizards telepaths?
With how strong they are depends on how central blue is to them?

>>53076001
No. Many are telekineticists, geist mages and so on. Most use some kind of mind magic on themselves to make them think faster and so on.

>>53072805
I think it is a fact though that before the actions at the Inventor's Fair the rebels on Kaladesh weren't going to actually overthrow anything.
They were just being... well criminals. It was Tezzeret's actions that caused the rebellion in the first place.

And we all know that in the Return to Kaladesh we will find a Blue/White government created by the rebels because Izzet colors aren't stable enough to create a working government.

>>53076021
>Geist mages
What on earth do they do again? I don't think it was ever explained or shown.

>>53076256
They summon and control geists.

>>53073559
>So fucking dull he's colorless
Spot-on. Love it.
>Isn't he just a revamp of Pink?
Pretty closely. He's a lot more crotchety. however. Pink had curiosity, and a goal to grant understanding to people who were curious about planar mechanics and better his surroundings by spreading what he uncovered. Kherto's much more, "It works, so don't cause a fuss." He's designed to be a pretty okay grunt for a BBEG, since he's based off of stax <And to a lesser extent, low cost voltron> and favours order over ideals.

>>53076307
Right but that doesn't seem to be all that useful.
The situation with Saint Traft is unique. He seemed to be a lot more coherent then the rest of the giests.

>>53076312
>>53074981
>>53075982
Jesus Christ, it's just a bunch of jokes, not a factually accurate biopic of your flakes.

>>53076934
But how will people accurately appreciate their creative vision if the jokes aren't spot-on?

>>53076112
>Hate and subvert the oppressive government.
>Entire families against it's existence.
>People like Baarl are running around executing preteens
The consulate was shit and open warfare was inevitable, the difference was in Origins the rebels didn't have enough power or members yet. Tezzeret just agitated a situation enough where the Rebels could GET enough members

>R/U can't create a stable government.
It possibly could, but it won't. Government is a white thing period. At most RU would create a science, or in this case artifice, meritocracy where the best inventors lead

That's beside the point though, since the Consulate isn't integral to Kaladesh's identity as a plane. Kaladesh is the "energy and artifice" plane, which is why it's RU. Ravnica is the "Government of guilds" plane, which is why it's WU

>>53073559
>Petra
Perfect.

>>53077798
The current block is evidence of Nicol Bolas, who is UBR and has created a stable society. It serves his purposes but it's still stable.

All colors are capable of creating systems, as long as those systems serve their philosophy.

>>53077798
A majority of renegades are either the Aetherborn crimelords and their connections, or greedy artificers who believe that they deserve more Aether then they get, or believe they know best.

>>53078079
Because aether is apparently an abundant natural resource on Kaladesh that replenishes faster than the artificers consume and yet the Consulate decided to regulate and control who gets what anyway instead of letting people take that aether and expand economically to the point where the big draw of the inventor's fair was "unrestricted aether access"

It'd be like only major cities being allowed to have electricity because they "need" it more.

>>53074981
Still sounds like a dirt dragon
>>53075982
I can only type "HEY LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!"*BOOM* So many time.
>>53076312
My eyes glazed over when I saw the colorless symbol, fo you still use thorns?

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>>53078513
Look at the guy's sheet for yourself.
>>53027166

>>53078576
That would require me to work beyond just looking at the descriptions. I'm not doing that for all the flakes and whatshisface ah thorns
That fuck, or if that's you
You fuck

>>53078630
Yes, he uses thorns still.

>>53078661
>not wanting to protect K-Ara Ara-da's smile
Pinkanon confirmed to be shit.

>>53078735
Who the fuck is Pink?

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>>53079883

>>53080216
...what?

>>53080748
That is the answer to your question.

>>53076934
I'm not complaining, I quite like it. It just also struck me as an opportunity to flesh Kherto out a bit better.

>>53078513
>>53078630
Yup, yup, still use 'em whenever I'm writing, except for narratives involving different people's flakes, and writing quites for people/characterswho aren't me/mine. I do try to curb my language to minimise it when posting, however, since I'm told skimming language dense in it gives some people headaches.

>>53078735
Who is K-Ara Ara-Da?

Is there a template?

>>53078513
oh no, he is still a complete stooge, and the joke did get a hyuk, just figured "couldn't fix" could be switched with "didn't want to fix" or "ate" and still have the same punchline

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>>53082314

>>53073559
>Ugnok's anon here
I find this hilarious.

>>53078511
Aether is also an extremely volatile substance and when not properly processed explodes.
Aether may be free in the sky, but the actual workable substance is in a finite amount.

Some times these thread come up with some really interesting walkers. I particularly like these two >>53028192 >>53038782.

>>53084960
I gotta go back and make Thane less WG

>>53085700
I still like the backstory though.

>>53085895
Based it off the Dying Plane worldbuilding threads we had almost a year ago now.

I was planning to do my own version of those, but I can't get Endless Legend's Tiled mapmaking tool to work like I want it to. Fucking rivers man.

>>53073559
>Caerys' anon here
...fuck

>>53084427
And that means the government should relegate it completely instead of letting artificers do what they do and invent ways

It'd be like the US government controlling oil during the early days of internal combustion instead of letting inventors find ways to refine more of it.

>>53087718
> implying that agrarian economy with a meritoric system controlling volatile resources isn't better than letting companies flood the market, and then control national direction for the next 100 years so they can get more of it.
Face it, America is Orzhov. A thin veneer of faith in muh freedoms that covers a greedy core.
Consulate objectively did nothing wrong. Red is allied with black for a reason.

>>53087745
Literally has nothing to do with what I was saying except that the Consulate's regulation of aether was objectively preventing the invention and development that is the core of Kaladesh.

>>53087745
>Going full communist, legitimately full communist not meme communist.

>>53087797
>meme communist.
All communism is meme communism
Because it's n o t r e a l c o m m u n i s m :^)

>>53087776
Unregulated technology leads to increasingly dangerous devices finding their way into the hands of civilians.

I mean, look at today where billions of people own armored killing machines that can plow through dozens of people or where you can easily purchase a drone that can be adapted for the purpose of mass murder.

Some technology is meant to be regulated and controlled, rather than be allowed to leak out into civilian hands.

>>53087718
As opposed to some artificer inventing an atom-to-aether machine and accidently destroying a city block, or deciding that their construct needs more aether to power it and steals from my reserves.
The Consulate does nothing wrong by rationing aether out to artificers and deciding what projects they want to fund.

>>53087825
If we go by definition, somalia is real communism, since it's a truly classless society

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>>53087826
And according to you, that's gasoline.

>>53087859
>The government is right to ration out electricity and decide what projects they want to fund.

Because that's all aether is on Kaladesh, electric gasoline that can be casually harvested from the air.

>>53087826
Not them, but this is also the magic the gathering setting we're talking about, where children (like chandra) are potential weapons of mass destruction by just having a tantrum. I don't fully disagree with what you're saying, though, but I must say that if someone wants to be dangerous in magic, they aren't bound to just physical tools.

>>53087878
I'd say society would be better off if gasoline wasn't so widely available, yes.

>>53087910
Fucking Gruul luddites still butt blasted that technology marches on.

>>53087878
No, what I'm saying is that the Consulate deciding that building a giant death-ray is not something they want to fund is okay.

>>53087915
RG is the color combination of the passionate and fierce defense of tradition and personal freedom.

You spit on RG, you spit on who you are as a man of the free world.

>>53087896

To be fair, on Kaladesh they usually ARE. Actual mages are almost nonexistent on that plane, although Baral's zeal in hunting his own kind might have something to do with that.

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>>53087915
>technology marches on
Not if I can help it!

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>>53087938
But the consulate IS the one building weapons of destruction. The most RB part of Kaladesh was building was the worlds most complicated rock-em-sock-em robots.

Apparently in America building a flamethrower and grenade launcher is fucking easy and even legal, but not everyone has a grenade launcher now do they?

>>53087971
I spit on the green ludditism that the Gruul seem to have. "Science bad, me like rock bowl." See >>53088009

>>53088029
That's one interpretation of RG.

I mean, you could easily depict Trump's politics as RG.

>>53087993
Aren't Dovin and Saheeli mages as well?
So the Consulate's mage purge has some pretty big holes in it.

>>53088040
>The whole "Fake news" meme of: "Nuh-uh, the facts are wrong, what I FEEEEL in my gut is what's right"
He's definitely anti-blue, I'll give him that.

>>53088057

I believe so, although Saheeli's been keeping her abilities on the down-low and just acting as a normal artificer and Baan was someone whose magical powers were way too useful to purge.

>>53088029
In all honesty, he doesn't have any particular problem with technology, he just hates capitalist pigs i mean people who forcibly alter leylines.

>>53088057
Dovin's magic is basically just super powerful editing skills. He notices problems that can be fixed.

Saheeli's magic is being magically good at artifice. She can warp metal with her hands or something.
They're basically okay because they're powers are controlled and geared toward artifice instead of Chandra the living flamethrower.

>>53088094
I actually got that, but the "Not if I can help it!" made it so easy to just say "You see!"

>>53088094
I want to see him face off against Nissa now.

>>53088075
Trying to remain as objective as possible, he is pretty red and green.

He's devoted to reversing Obama's changes and making things the way they should be and he's very interested in preserving the culture and lifeblood of the US through exclusion of outside forces. That's all quite green At the same time, a lot of what he does is very spur-of-the-moment, impulsive and reactive and the way he whipped up the support of little America until they were in a frenzy is pretty red.

Trump is an example of RG without being a luddite, just through putting a lot of value on tradition and sticking it to the man.

>>53088113
Yeah. He busts big things like the mage rings and the Consulate because FUCK THE LAW REEE
But he doesn't actually have any artifact destruction in his spell list.
>>53088120
Oh man. I can imagine how that would go down.
S: So, you made an elemental out of the plane's leylines, and then had it follow you around?
N: Basically, yes.
S: FUCKING ELVES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53088094
>>53088120

Now we need him to buddy up with a WU Leyline Preservation Activist to follow planeswalkers who fuck with the leylines around with signs and picket their casting until they stop and leave the leylines alone.

>>53088144
> No no, let the mana flow! Amonkhet's God-Emperor has got to go!
> GODS OUT REEEEE

>>53088100
So Dovin doesn't actually have magic other then super sight?
He sounds really... weak. Even weaker then Gideon, who can at least make himself indestructible and hidden lawmage talents.

>>53088191
All planeswalkers have magic.

It's just that Dovin's superpower that the creative team focuses on is his super sight because the creative team is too fucking lazy to have their characters use a diverse set of spells and just have them use their signature superpowers all the time.

>>53088141
Objectively speaking, your also portraying RG and Trump in a positive light.
The negative light would be that he's eliminating progress and systems that have been put in place over the course of decades because he doesn't like them, and is determined to hold onto traditions that are slowly becoming irrelevant due to how the world's changing due to global marketing instead of adapting to it and is determined to isolate the US in a very "foreigners get out, REEE" sort of way.

>>53088191

I mean, depending on what tools or spells he has other than that, his power could also be fucking broken, because he always knows every weak point in the person or thing he's looking at. If Gideon's aura has a vulnerability, Baan knows what it is just with a cursory glance. If a structure has a weakness, he can find it, immediately. If there's a phobia or psychological weakness in his enemy, he knows what it is.

If he can do martial arts he could probably be like that Inhuman guy from Marvel Comics who has a similar power and uses it to break people.

>>53088221
But you agree he's still very RG in a way that isn't just luddites smashing everything.

>>53088144
>>53088168

>A token deck is depicted in the lore as a planeswalker summoning people to help picket his opponent's casting
>Nissa knows how to fight snakes and zombies and vampires but isn't sure how to react to people marching in circles around her chanting catchy slogans and eventually planeswalks away, feeling awkward.

>>53088191
>>53088218
It's not even super sight really. Like I said, it's super editing. He can tell when shit's wrong and fix it before it goes wrong.
This can be the mundane, like when he casually rearranged Jace's library after Liliana fucked it up for shits and giggles, or the abstract, like when he cut out a lot of the consulate's red tape and reorganized it to be more efficient.
Basically his superpower is "If he ever met the Azorious, even their bureaucracy would disappear overnight."

>>53088244
I'll admit he himself is possibly not a luddite, but he definitely put some kind of idiot in charge of america's schools and his travel ban only really hurt colleges, since they profit a fuckton from educating immigrants. So accidentally luddite if that's possible. He hasn't ordered infrastructure be destroyed yet though, so that's something.

I'll say Trump is Jund. He's still a greedy businessman on top of everything.

I'm surprised we had a discussion about Trump in the context of MtG without summoning... that board, or the tumblrtots.

>>53088300
He can also exploit flaws in a structure that he wishes to take down. It's not just defensive, it can be offensive too.

Also, the point of the example is that an individual that crusades for the preservation of tradition and defense against outside forces can be RG without being your typical Gruul caveman - whether or not you agree with the traditions and the culture that they're defending and the methods that are used. So through this, you can have a Gruul character that isn't totally fucking awful.

>>53088300

>Jace gets back to Ravnica, worried he left it alone for too long
>He did, but Baan got there first.
>He got revenge for the unpleasantness in Kaladesh the only way Baan knows how.
>Baan saw the flaws.
>Baan made it work.
>Baan is now adored on Ravnica and people are disappointed to see the Guildpact back on patrol
>Baan very politely bids Jace good day and goes home, leaving Jace to deal with absurdly high standards of efficiency in his wake

>>53088328
I question how effective they'd be in these threads. The flakes, though themselves cancer, were designed to be counter cancer in the first place. I question the actual staying power of the board that shall not be named in this situation.
Though, yeah, I'm as surprised as you are.

>>53088386
Kek. Raising everyone's standards, truly the worst of revenges. Jace could barely squeak by when the standard was "The guilds aren't at war anymore." How can he ever hope to compete with "The guilds are competently working together peacefully"

>>53088630

I just like the idea of Baan getting revenge on people by tiding up the place in a way they can't complain about but really annoys them.

>>53088642
>He cleaned and organized Chandra's room, and even sorted everything she needs to repair her armor, her various scrolls on fire magic, and even polished her goggles.
She was never the same after that.

>>53088668

>He cleaned Gideon's long-neglected quarters and left a small, tasteful vase full of carefully swept ashes–

...No, now that I think about it, that's not even funny, that's actually an incredible burn.

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Four color is hard.

Also, I don't know what he should be up to. Should I tie him into recent events, at least at the fringes, or should I have him doing something else? Other flakes he might interact with?

Would "there has to be a reason this happened to me" be more of a green or white sentiment?

I know those two are the ones most concerned with destiny than things just happening one after the other, but I'm not sure if it's more of green's fatalistic outlook or white's belief in a higher plan.

>>53088760
Green I think, in the new state of the color pie. Though, ultimately, I think that sentiment would be UG more than anything.

>>53088760
you could probably swing that either way honestly, but I'm leaning most to green

>>53088760
>There has to be a reason this happened to me.
If this statement is made in an attempt to logically deduce the course of events that led to the event happening to the character, it's blue.
If this statement is made in an attempt to assert that control is out of the character's hand and it is the natural course of destiny, it's green.

I don't see the white in it.

>>53088711
Sounds like he and Fuar should fight.

>>53088711
Make him fuck up >>53088009 for throwing his weight around.
> YOU ARE STRONG. YOU WILL FEED THE HIVE.

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He waits and watches, as is his wont. Though, he has spent some time as of late in preparation for an expedition to New Phyrexia, in search of artifacts.

>>53089462
I find it hard to believe that some chump in a lab could engineer a spark when a world of phyrexian engineers couldn't

>>53089462
>>53089501
Yeah, maybe change it so he tried to make a spark, and ended up just switching his own. Seems a bit too special snowflake if you know what I mean.

>>53089462
There are a couple issues with this. For one
>Created by a planeswalker
Created being cannot naturally hold sparks
>Preferred Decks
>Nonsense self-mill
Deck name doesn't fit WU
>Angel
>Male
Angels are female in almost every plane.
All in all, Nice job, Vronak.

>>53089462
Shit! What was the name of that angel again? The one who's portrait you used
Also, yeah >>53089501 has an absurdly valid point. The only way this guy could come about is if the creator gave their own spark to him

>>53089530
Crafted beings can hold sparks as long as they aren't phyrexians as well

>>53089552
Crafted beings cannot be born with a spark, it must be given to them by another planeswalker, ad even that is rare.

>>53089462
Vronak, leave.

>>53089562
Actually it'd be more accurate to say that such an event is unique since there's only been ONE crafted planeswalker

>>53089781
What about all these flakes :^)

>>53089327
Honestly I feel like Fuar might just let him go on his way. I mean, he's already doing what Fuar wants essentially.

>>53088711
>>53089327
>>53089904
Straight up, he is a prime target for Fuar Linn. He's either going to let him go so he can get stronger, or he's going to capture him immediately and try him out on other planeswalkers before dueling him directly.

I'm thinking about making a mono red vampire flake. Which clan is more interesting/got fucked less in Shadows? Falkenrath or Stromkirk?

>>53090752
Definately Falk. Storm lost their shit and went full Cthulu because they were directly under Momma Ems when she came out, while the Falks fought with Sorrin against her.
They're close to extinction though, both of them.

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Writing experiment:
Pick a spell, instant, sorcery, ect any kind, and describe how your flake would cast it.
Do they do it completely by the book? Or do they have their own style of wielding their mana that doesn't match the card's art very well?

>>53092115
this seems like a really neat idea.

>>53088009
You know I don't think that this character would fight Nissa after thinking about it.
I mean all she does is see leylines and make elementals. Presumably with the Plane's okay seeing as how she can talk to them.
Unless he's also going to hunt down everyone who can see/tap into a leyline as well and then commit suicide because guess what, he can see them to.

He'd probably fight Nahiri though. She can find leylines and manipulate them to serve her purpose.

>>53073559
>Xanevious'

Well then... Sounds about entirely right.

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Every flake on this sheet is shit.

>>53093381
Sure they are.

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If everything and everyone takes colors to their logical extremes, then why does Dovescape exist? What's blue or white about this spell other than it contains the words "counter" and "flying"

I am not good at magic

>>53094333
It over-regulates the use of potentially harmful magic (aka any magic) by transforming any magical spell into a swarm of doves, the symbol of peace and prosperity.

>>53094333
Irrelevant, but one of my favourite games of EDH was when someone cast dovescape and I had Atraxa and Arcbound Reclaimer out, and Engineered Explosives in hand.

>>53094565
I've only been playing for like two weeks, but it's one of my favorite cards so far. I don't have one yet because playing kitchen table modern with my roommate means one Dovescape would cost as much as about a quarter of one of my decks.

What's the best way to get into MtG lore? Preferably stuff that would be relevant to whatever's going on in the lore lately because I heard something about a huge soft reset that made a bunch of awful stories from before it obsolete

Is everything from the point of view of the space wizard avengers from the Origins stories in Duels?

>>53090752

I think Avacyn destroyed the Falkenrath bloodline entirely during Shadows and the Stromkirk became cthulu cultists. Combine that with Nahiri stoning the entire Markov bloodline to death and I think ONLY the Voldaren bloodline survived EMN.

>>53094333
It's an extreme force of Azorius-style WU inaction, coupled with a weird W token-spam effect.

>>53095080
Only till about four or five years ago. Previous to RtR the stories were much more diverse, and the Avengers thing only picked up at BfZ.

>>53095382

There were Falkenrath vampires in Eldritch Moon, but they seemed less of a family and more of a roving Horde. Some of the Markov survived, atleast until they assaulted Markov Manor (no idea if they made it after that, possibly). The Stromkirk went all tentacles and hentai for Emrakul.

>>53093381

Well, they are Snowflakes...

>>53095080
Best way to brush up quick is scans of booklets in clued in more recent fat packs and mtg salvation articles. Wizards also has a story archive, if you want more minute details, but all of what I mentioned only goes back so far, barring mtg salvation.

Only real "big reset" was þe mending in time spiral, which happened 11 years ago. Pre-mending, planeswalkers <franchise's most prominent characters> were all functionally gods who existed in between worlds and projected bodies out, making 'em ridiculously powerful and pretty much immortal. Post mending, planeswalkers are just normal beings who are a little bit tougher and can teleport between different planes.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/columns/magic-story is where you can read story told at its current natural pace. All recent events center around amonkhet, so "Impact" going forward.

>>53096290
Some of them are cooler than the existing planeswalkers.

>>53098258
That's a low bar though.

>>53098258
Which ones?

>>53098306
Mine, obviously.

>>53098319
But yours is shit.

>>53098335
You mistake me for any one of the other anons in this thread.

>>53098421
No anon, I know you, you're the one who made the flake with what likes the thing with the feathers.

>>53098449
Pretty sure that's literally every anon here.

>>53098483
So I was right.

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>>>53092115
>Like all Kaladesh/Izzet "mages" Petra has quite a suite of hardware on her person at all times. Though unlike either of them, since she uses artifacts powered by aether instead of electricity, and she can supply the aether as a mage and save herself the need of carrying big heavy storage tanks of the stuff.
Or to put in a simpler terms via example: Petra would have an aether pistol that casts Galvanic Blast as long as she remembers to put aether read: mana into it.

>>53098483
Mine killed at least one thing with feathers.

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>>53092115
>pic related

>Vosmir
A vial of mutagen. Likely to turn you into a frog or something, if you don't get it off.

>Tristain
Throwing dagger to the skull. Helpfully enhanced by wind magic.

>Loren
A wave of sonic energy.

>Hazaur
Hits you over the head with whatever that Clue he's carrying is. (A scepter? A pendant? Who knows.)

>Rezarek
A magically-enhanced claw to the face.

>Heles Car
A punch backed by ~250 pounds of muscle. It's gonna hurt.

>Sorca
Pure mana, applied directly to the forehead. Enough to overwhelm your senses, normally, but not enough to kill you.

>Graves
She's not actually going to do anything. Maybe one of the shmucks below her can do it for her.

You know, now that I think about it, most of my flakes aren't really all that good at traditional magic.

>>53099108
Whoops. Forgot everyone's favorite nerd minotaur.
>Hroth
Book to the dome.
Man, this card can really just cover 'throwing things'.

>>53092115
>Salum, casting Silence
A stern statement, with a wave of his hand, as white light glows from it and appears over the target's mouth.

>Salina, casting Twiddle
A gentle, curved hand motion, lightly shifting something.

>Costin, casting anything
A nervous build-up followed by a feeling of dread as the spell manifests somewhere around him, sometimes accompanied by a thin, black haze.

>Tyral
With physical motion rather than words. And followed by physical motion. Probably at a pace quick enough that you were caught off guard before you had a full grasp of what just happened.

>Karrok, buffing his size
Chanting of some tribal words, and a grunt or a roar as he gets bigger.

>>53093381
Canon planes with a block/set that currently lack flakes:
>Amonkhet
>Mercadia
>Mirrodin
>Rabiah
>Shadowmoor
>Shandalar
>Ulgrotha

>>53092115
Molgatha fires Heat Ray from his mouth, because
>muh jappo lizard references

Akmogenos's last line of cards (brainstorm, epiphany storm, vanquish, light from within) represent how he's stumbled onto stoking the vibrant, innovative and inspirational aspects of one's soul to such an extent that it destroys their body. This is a feat he is terrified of ever using because it seems to him morally wrong to ever hurt someone with their own potential, and is putting great effort into trying to figure out how he can flare their inner fires to their brightest and most beautiful without hurting them.

Ka'koarm just does crazy fucking shit, and probably cast all his spells different ways each time, the absolute madman

>>53007975
May I have the blank sheet? I have one guy to create.

>>53100656
>>53082314
>>53082364
Take your pick.
Also, read the thread.

>>53093381
Still better than Chandra Nalaar

>>53076398
It has its uses.
>Making angry ghosts fuck off.
>Conscripting ghosts to fight for you.
>Mark someone to be haunted by ghosts.
Etcetera. Ghosts are handy tools.

>>53100857
I'm tempted to make a geistmage walker now. uW or UWR?

>>53101365
There's like, no geists in R itself, so probably WU, though there are a few spells that imply geists are used like Rage Thrower

>>53101365
Red's only connection to geists is that some of its mad scientists use them to power their technology. Actual coexistence and manipulation of geists using magic falls under white and blue.

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>>53101365
Not if I make one first!

Well, he's not really a geistmage. But he does mess around with ghosts.

>>53101401
I was thinking geistmage who turns them into fuel, like that flavor text for that one spell implies.

>>53102011
that's a terrifying thought
denying someone their afterlife by feeding them to your gun
definitely a RB kind of brutal, double-killing someone solely for the sake of combat

>>53102317
Nah, they're just ghosts, they don't have souls ;)

> Can't have a soul if you're a damned soul

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>>53098483
But mine EATS the things with the feathers
(We're talking about feathered dragons, right?)

>>53007975

Anybody have Venn's page?

>>53102317
Maybe they only work with the worst of the worst when it comes to geists? Things your average human wouldn't mind seeing put down again.

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>>53103570

>>53102011
they stick them into their guns and shoot them back out. The act of sticking the geist into a gun makes them so angry they basically become firegeists.

>>53103660
Stop giving me good ideas, I need to fix my first shitwalker

>>53103659

Thanks. I've had the idea for a Boros Blacksmith Walker, and was afraid that the two concepts would be too similar, but I think mine will work.

>>53103660
that's some bullshit and I like it

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>>53038782
Changed his story a bit, to make it less WG and more UBG.
Tried to focus on the idea he was certain his destiny was a good thing, and when it wasn't, tried to rationalize where it might have gone wrong and go back to that.
>>53092115
> Describe how your flake would cast their spells
> Planeswalking
Decouples himself from the leylines of the world he's on, causing mild plant growth, plant death, or visual shimmers depending on the mana he's connected to at that moment, and then just just lets himself fall through the Blind Eternities. Can't stop himself stumbling when he lands, since he's not used to planeswalking.
> Casting Fate Foretold
Not really 'casting', I imagine it more as a force of will thing, drawing on the memory of some of his former visions (or having a vision) that gives him a clue as to what to do next.
> Fate Transfer/Undying Evil
Uses the Sharing, which requires physical contact and creates a visual distortion in the physical forms of what he's touching.
> Casting Life From the Loam/Vigean Intuition
Aggressively forces two leylines (UG or GB respectively) to pump their mana into eachother to supercharge the growth cycle. Requires a bit of handwaving and a mental visualization due to the complexity of making opposite colors work together, but it's mostly instinctive rather than a 'spell', like most of his repertoire.
> Anything else
Uses the spells he picked up on Innistrad, and Ravnica, usually quite clumsily and with aggressive leyline drain that takes more mana than he really needs.

tl;dr, he's mostly self taught (badly) and on his leyline-linking quest he was told he can use whatever mana he wants, even if it's really scarce and he's still not over that.
>>53103660
Gonna do that now

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Wanted to make her come from Shandalar, but this is okay I guess.
Tried to work in some of the UR experimentation, plus her idea of wanting to do what's right and protect people from dangerous spirits.

bumo